Bill Cosby's Sleepers You´re wrong. She really was thinking about it, on this board and the betting their did, there arent many handy you reraise at the river. This are professional player and both represent no bluff. Ofc a normal player on normal stakes would have insta called the bets, but for her the only options were, that she has 7/A or the quads, maybe 5/5 but shes right you probably just call the river if you opponent has a really good hand. In the end she couldnt foult, because there were the option of 7/A, but you cant call her a asshole, she already knew it before she called, good talent.
Bill Cosby's Sleepers he’s not good enough to fold there...just hollywooding and making people think he could have folded it there by tanking for a little bit.
Most fish do that all the time. Tank on minion decisions and then snap call off their stack. Idiots that think they have the nuts with a flush on a paired board
@ SickBurnBruh One day I saw the lottery number results, for the rest of the day, I swear to God, that I wanted to pick those exact same numbers. I almost picked those same numbers. I really wanted to pick those same numbers, I swear to God!
@@shakesfirst2443 I agree, this comment section is awful to read. I get why Selbst didn't instacall here too, Baumann is never bluffing in this spot as Selbst's overbet is extremely polarizing to strong boats or nothing, so for Baumann to shove over the top is....yeah. I do wonder though if Selbst would have folded had she had the two red aces. If she thinks A7 suited could be a thing but not A7 off, then with the two black sevens on the board and the two red aces in her hand there's no combinations of A7 suited Baumann could have. If Selbst only called because Baumann could have A7 hearts and 77, then it would stand to reason she would fold red aces here. With that said I certainly snap call either way but wouldn't be surprised when I'm beat.
In hour #1 of the main event...lots of players would fold that. It was unfortunate that Vanessa was up against another world class player. A rec would not have disguised it as well.
I've heard of guys folding AA preflop early on day 1. I agree it would be a weak move but without the nuts it would be very nerve wracking. Would you rather make the statistical right call or keep playing?
lamannaINT you also play way more hands/hour online so situations like this are bound to happen more often. +.. wtf does stars have to gain from a specific person losing a pot? They grab the rake either way.
They make most of their money on deposits... Every time you busto, they make a killing off those deposits, way more than that rake. Also, as long as they keep making everyone go busto from these fake bad beats, the less likely anyone will be doing any money transfers back to their banks. I tried taking money out of my account when I was up a few 100 dollars and of course they make it such an inconvenience that you don't even wanna do it. I think they said I needed like over 6k or something ridiculous to do an instant withdrawal. Anything less would take nearly a month or something. Seems to me like they wanna keep your money on the site as long as possible and they will do anything to ensure it stays there. Most like making a killing off investing people's money in god knows what, or just simply earning interest off of it.
Agreed. Inexperienced players would call instantly and flip over the cards! She took her time and came to the conclusion that it is possible for Baumann to do this with A7 so she had to call.
Kym Lim folded quad queens on AdQdQc8d10d, it was 800 BB deep instead of just 300BBs in this hand. When playing really deep stacked you don't want to be calling an all in often at all. Especially when the spr on the flop is huge (obviously you can stack off lighter in a 4bet or 5bet pot).
Firstly Selbst took this really well. Secondly can't believe how much she considered folding, she obviously really respects Baumanns game, to know she couldn't be pushing with 5's on this board.
Y'know, at the beginning of this vid I was looking forward to seeing Selbst crushed but she actually played it well and reacted to it and was so unlikely to come up against quads with Aces full... fair play to her, very unlucky, very sick.
The way she thought about the hand in depth and didn’t snap call is crazy. 99.9999% of players are snap-calling there, and I really don’t think she was slow-rolling. I wouldn’t even have considered checking the suits of my aces.
@@Simon1985_ If Selbst had the ace of hearts she would know Baumann isn’t playing A7 suited. Selbst is holding the ace of diamonds and the black sevens are on the board, so Baumann can’t be playing them either. She’s assuming Baumann wouldn’t be playing an unsuited A7 hand. So, if Selbst had the ace of hearts she could narrow Baumann down precisely to quads. Because Selbst doesn’t have the ace of hearts, Baumann could be playing A7 of hearts and have a smaller full house, so Selbst has to call. In other words, Selbst narrowed Baumann down to quads or an AA777 full house, but AA777 only makes sense if Baumann is playing Ah7h. Selbst has no Ah, so Baumann could have Ah7h, and so Selbst calls.
@@septicwomb4394 oh I see what you mean now. That’s still absolutely crazy how much they think about it. Suppose that’s why they’re millionaires. I’m never folding Selbt’s hand though. If they have quads I’m out the tournament and would consider it the correct call mathematically, even although I lost.
there aren't that many hands that could even be in that position, and she had one of them. honestly, she thought about folding way longer than most would.
Not really, she is only beating a7 like she said. 5's would just call. No way Bauman would try an insane bluff there. She is a great player, but the fact she is thinking about folding is not amazing.... I don't even play high price mtt's anymore.. I don't need the stress anymore now that I have made enough... playing in $55 and $100 mtt's all the time all the time.. was quite the time in my life..
GinEric84 And notice that vanessa overbetted the pot on the river and then she got jammed on. and if you get jammed on when overbetting you know something aint right. Notice that she wast even thinking about pocket 55 it was 50/50 between A7 and quads and getting roughly 3:1 on a call its just too hard to fold i guess.
No she REALLY did want to, If she had both red aces, she would have.. because she already knows Bauman is not doing this with 55's she would have just CALLED the river overbet with 5's full and, the only two hands that really make any sense besides that point is A7 of hearts or 77's.. its 50 50.. She can push with A7 of hearts and 77's that is the range after that overbet river.. so its not "almost folded" she really wanted to for real.
So much respect for Vanessa! The fact that she's so good to even think about folding there just shows that she didn't deserve to be busted by quads the first day.
I don't care who you are, no one here is getting away from top full house. Not even James Obst. She made a good point: Baumann couldn't have Ac7c, As7s, nor Ad7d. The only hand that made sense was Ah7h, and anyone would play Ah7h the exact same way as quads in this situation. You have to make that call, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I've folded a straight flush to a royal and been right 6/7 times. It happens all the time. Quads over quads are 50% of the hands dealt where the big boys play ...
@TheShampooDude **9 now. Posted that a bit ago. Just folded another one last night. Cash game. 850$ in pot and he raised me all in for another 45$ and I tossed my straight flush into the muck... He flips over the royal. Take notes kid
I agree with Aditya, I don't think Dnegs would've folded that. A7 does play the same way and even if she had a read on Gaelle she wouldn't believe her gut enough to fold top boat there.
As a general rule, Zeebo's Theorem - Nobody ever folded a full house. LOL Source: forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-small-stakes-full-ring/concise-list-2-2-theorems-183304/
Yes u can. Only hand she can have is a7 which is so unlikely because she has aa... Very small chance she is tyring to do an insane bluff... I would say there is at least a 50% chance she has 77. If u disagree you're not a top player... Plain and simple...
Deniz Demir yep, unless you know 101% that the other person has quad, there is no way to fold it. Holding AA and flopped trip then full house, that's what you're hoping for
Michael.. Your comment is dumb because why is it less likely she has A7 than 77 when there are two sevens on the board. Don't just repeat shit you hear on TH-cam.
I played with Selbst live once, before she was somewhat well known in the poker community. She was rude, acidic, and kept calling me "Tough Guy" because I raised her ONCE, and I did it SILENTLY, without saying a SINGLE WORD. Hence, I can't stand her. However, gotta give her props here, most people just snap-call in that situation, but she seemed to know she was beat.
After they show the fourth 7 on the turn making it a quad for Baumann. Why does it say still 2% chance to win for Vanessa? The only way she could win is if they pulled out another ACE on the river for the higher value quad, correct? But they showed that Rosen had an ACE in her hand and she folded. So there are no more aces to deal. So shouldn't it be 0%? Or is there a hand I'm not seeing.
because the odds are calculate based on the fact that all needed cards are still in the deck (or the player perspective). from Selbst persepective there's still 2 aces in the deck
In the few years of live and online experience, if this scenario ever rolled around it was always an insta call. Amazing that she really thought about it..
I wish she would have folded for these reasons: 1. Baumann has A7hh or 77 so she will bust 50% of the time. Not great to start flipping for tournament life in the main this early. 2.she would have 130 bigs after folding. Could cruise easily back to starting stack. There's still a lot of time even on day 2. 3. it would be such a boss move and she would get so much respect as a player.
I'd love to play against you if you're folding the second nuts, with only 1 combo that has you. Your assumption it's 50/50 is just wrong... two options do not mean they're equally as likely. And even if she does have you 50% of the time which she doesn't, you're getting a great price. And I think you're being results orientated... If it had gone the other way you would be saying she's a nit I bet.
@@georgefc9168 Well said, George. Everyone is an expert and knows the 2nd nuts are no good until they find themselves in the same spot, without the luxury of knowing what their opponent has. I bet 99% of players snap call there.
Checking the suits on the aces to realize there one combo of suited A7 left is a high level play. Had to call those pot odds cause she only loses to one combo of 7s and beats at least one combo. Sick.
Yeah. If Vanessa had the two read aces, I’d be curious to see if she folds or if she would’ve at least considered the possibility of A7o or trips turned into a bluff
I would have snap called, but thinking about it again, folding might be an option, if Vanessa had the A of hearts instead of spades. That would take A7s out of Baumann's range making it only 77 for quads. Very interesting hand!
@@Milburt With the A of hearts instead of spades, Baumann wouldnt have A7s in her range making her value range only 77. As the hand played out, she can have A7s of hearts, so there is a hand in her (value) range that Vanessa can beat.
Folding second nuts is a stupid move, even if you believe the other player has quads. You lose against just one hand and win against every other full house and flush with that board. There are like 20 hands she beats and 1 hand she loses against, so in the long term it's a bad fold
@ Michele Absolutely. Even if it knocks you out of the tourney, You're NEVER folding Aces full wired. Never, ever, ever, ever. How can she be so stupid for saying she swears to God she was going to fold. DERP.
What 20 hands do you speak of. Selbst really sized up the river. No flush is ever raising that river tho. Either is 55. Ace 7 offsuit folds preflop. Her true range with this line is A 7 hearts and 77. Getting laid 3/1 you can’t fold in a 50/50 spot. I don’t like selbst either so ...
@@mmcd1204 only Selbsts could have a flush there. She picked it but wasn't good enough to fold due to the existence of the one combo she could beat. 55s would probably just call the river, at this level
Calm your jizz. The guy said a lil more. NOT more credit than Vanessa. A player like Vanessa level she would think about it just like the commentator said. She got aces full, what could anybody has that could re-raise her all in? Nothing less than A7
I have always been impressed by the near fold.. the fact she even considered folding just makes her one of the best to have played. No normal player could even give it a second thought.
@@allenvanover6269 yeah, all that posturing was just show for the cameras wasnt it? - and by not one of the best you mean shes not what? top-1%?, top-5%? top-100? - because Im pretty sure when you take poker players as a whole she is still a top- at worst- 3%. Point is- in the hendon mob database there are over 500,000 poker players. Shes #78 in money. I think that counts for something,
@@malarucoon beleave what you want, she was never gonna fold that hand, she knew she may be beat with 4 sevens, but she knew there was a couple other hands she could beat
Is she trying to be a female? Females can have short hair but anyone trying to justify Selbst as one is retarded. Bro's keeping it real with the sagged pants half crack ass and all @3:40, he has fine chick too!
Serious question : Has "Vanessa" and Doug even been in the same room at the same time, anywhere? Easy fold tho, just fold AA preflop. I always assume every player has quads in the hole so I might be playing just a little bit "tight".
When Polk asks Baumann :"what do you think i have" 3:05 some guys on the table says "fluusshhh". You think that may have influenced Polk's decision just a bit ? Cause he said he was gonna need a lot of time and he almost insta called.. 3:31 did Doug wanted to fold ? Could Gael have ace seven of hearts ?
What is selbts holding? Ace of Spades and of Diamonds. What ace is on the board? Ace of Clubs. Therefore whats the only Ace left? Ace of Hearts. Now we do the same with 7. The 7 of clubs and spades are on the board. What hand makes the most sense according to the flow of the betting pattern? Ah 7h as the most likely hand candidate Baumann could have with the way she played it.
It's not great instincts. she bets 16k on river with 20k behind. Bauman is never bluffing in this spot. It's literally either a7 or quads. Anybody would take a moment to think there. Who would be capable of actually folding is another story
Well I'm way far from Vanessa's poker level but I have to disagree with her. She's considering that Gaelle might raise river with Ah7h (the only A7s combo possible because Vanessa blocks all the others) but if she does so, I mean what worst hand from Gaelle's prospective is calling u? A flush? Now way. 55? No way because it's the worst full possible at the river and only fulls are calling u down 300bb deep, our bluffing range is just 0 combos here. 75s? Mayyyybbee. A7s? Mayyybbeee. So basically, if Gaelle shoves A7s, the potential calling range of Vanessa is AA/A7s/75s/55. I think Vanessa is too good to call down 75s and 55, she would probably fuckfold these combos. That would leave us with AA/A7. So in Gaelle's shoes, if u shove river A7, the best u're hoping from Vanessa is a chop pot, u're never called by worst. That's why I think Gaelle's only shoving with AA/77 and calling river with A7s, but she can't have AA due to card removal, therefore she only shoves with quads. At the end of the hand, Vanessa clearly opens her thoughts buy saying: "If you shoves Ah7h I have to call" which is mathematically correct, and Gaelle approves, but I really doubt that if Gaelle give it some thoughts also, she shoves that specific combo river.
Not so much, the hands that Really show her talent are the ones where she makes the Correct play in a tough spot. Talk is cheap, the 77 was an obvious hand to *consider* folding to, but just like the 99%, she made the same play we would and lost.
I hate it when poker players act like they were close to folding - no you were never going to fold if you did it would have been and awful play. Baum man could be raising that definitely with 55, 75s, and loosely nut flushes. Stop trying to act better than you are.
Ben Dummett it's a helluva parlay to put 75s in her range. Maybe 55 is in there but when Doug overbets the river there is no way she is shoving where she NEVER gets called by worse (with this many blinds this early in the main)
there is no way she has any other hands other than A7h or quad 77 and she does play tight, i even remember in an interview she she wouldn't have raised on the river with A7h, dont really know how truthful that is but still
Baumann never pushing all in with the nut flush or 55s since Vanessa never calling with worse (for that many blinds early in the tournament) Probably not 75 either. Vanessa even thinking about folding when she knows Baumann never bluffing in this spot is impressive. (Most of us is snap calling anyway)
Vanessa COULD have found a fold here. She has raised from an early position, bet the flop and then shown incredible strength by checkraising the turn and overbetting the river. Realistically what hands would Baumann raise the river with after this incredible show of strength from Vanessa? Vanessa seems to think it might be A7 of hearts but I think Baumann would just call on the river with that as she will likely fold out all worse hands by shoving therefore making it pointless and she would be scared of Vanessa having aces as that is very plausible given how the hand played out. Oh and the biggest idiot in this video has to be the guy who thinks Vanessa has a flush on the river!
TheMrLBC Onviously it's a call if you put it in a vacuum but nothing is a snap call unless it's stone nuts. You're the type of guy who most likely can never fold aces after the flop and is a total fish. I have this so I call with zero thought behind it. Keep playing 1-2 and 2-5 little fishy
you have to take into consideration its day one of the main event.....blinds aren't a factor and your'e playing against a very tight player....some professional players would fold here
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I would've snap-called, and looked really confident doing it too.
Me too! I would have been like "DOUBLE UP FOR ME!!!" Doh!! Just painful!
Bill Cosby's Sleepers You´re wrong. She really was thinking about it, on this board and the betting their did, there arent many handy you reraise at the river. This are professional player and both represent no bluff. Ofc a normal player on normal stakes would have insta called the bets, but for her the only options were, that she has 7/A or the quads, maybe 5/5 but shes right you probably just call the river if you opponent has a really good hand.
In the end she couldnt foult, because there were the option of 7/A, but you cant call her a asshole, she already knew it before she called, good talent.
Bill Cosby's Sleepers he’s not good enough to fold there...just hollywooding and making people think he could have folded it there by tanking for a little bit.
It's a she.
Most fish do that all the time. Tank on minion decisions and then snap call off their stack. Idiots that think they have the nuts with a flush on a paired board
Postle would’ve snap folded.
On the turn no less !
Postle would have flopped a royal flush, even on that board
CTO
Lol
Postle would of folded on the turn
I read somewhere in Poker Times that she wanted to fold.
@ SickBurnBruh
One day I saw the lottery number results, for the rest of the day, I swear to God, that I wanted to pick those exact same numbers. I almost picked those same numbers. I really wanted to pick those same numbers, I swear to God!
She didn't.
you fold that hand you better stop playing
@@wen496 you a lie.
@@dhinton1 david hilton you a noob
The fact that Selbst didn't insta-call here is incredible, even on hour 1 of the main event.
Thank you, I'm not a big fan of hers, but I think the respect for thinking about it is due. All these stupid fucks making "He did..." jokes.
@@shakesfirst2443 I agree, this comment section is awful to read. I get why Selbst didn't instacall here too, Baumann is never bluffing in this spot as Selbst's overbet is extremely polarizing to strong boats or nothing, so for Baumann to shove over the top is....yeah. I do wonder though if Selbst would have folded had she had the two red aces. If she thinks A7 suited could be a thing but not A7 off, then with the two black sevens on the board and the two red aces in her hand there's no combinations of A7 suited Baumann could have. If Selbst only called because Baumann could have A7 hearts and 77, then it would stand to reason she would fold red aces here. With that said I certainly snap call either way but wouldn't be surprised when I'm beat.
@Pops H I like how your father married a dude. There's no reason to act out on it though.
@@shakesfirst2443 It never fails on *every* Vanessa Selbst video.
@@sportsjefe It's saddening.
Chuck Norris would fold the AA preflop
Janis högemann Obviously he would have caught the last A on the river, Chuck Norris has never folded nor lost a poker hand.
Bwahahahahaahahahahahahahaha!! Best comment ever! (Actually, Chuck would have posted a better comment than yours!)
nope he wouldn't have caught it because rosen folded an ace so not happening
Chuck Norris made quads playing 3 card poker
Obviously Chuch Norris would spawn a fifth suit and therefor making it possible for a fifth ace to hit.
Oh man poor Doug
Doug just blew off our 2% of his ME...
Seriously no giveaway?! WTH!
LMAO!!!
I came down here expecting this, and still laughed harder than I should have.
I was about to write the same comment, but looks like I'm almost 1 day late :P
There is no way in a million years someone is capable of this fold.
Tom Zois poker brat...
open world i think he would sigh call. never a fold imo
Simply not true. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fold against Gaelle's actual range. Against the population it's an easy call all day
In hour #1 of the main event...lots of players would fold that. It was unfortunate that Vanessa was up against another world class player. A rec would not have disguised it as well.
I've heard of guys folding AA preflop early on day 1. I agree it would be a weak move but without the nuts it would be very nerve wracking. Would you rather make the statistical right call or keep playing?
Selbst is on of those players who has a perfect read - once the hand is over!
'one'.... if you're going to be critical of her, then maybe at least get the spelling correct ;)
Yea dis iz a englis ecsam NoT utube.
@@thepaulbradley u didnt use dot at the end of your sentence u fookin idiot.
Quads is the only hand that beat her.. so not snap calling says allot.
The fact that she didn't snap call showed that she did have a near perfect read.
refreshing to see somebody be so humble and calm when getting knocked out in an unfortunate manner. very classy!
shes not always like that
Selbst always cry.
Regular normal day on Pokerstars
Looks like he got a taste of poker stars online at the main event, lul. Serves him right for being affiliated with that fraudulent site.
Jesus Christ you're a bunch a losers.
Isn't the fact you see it LIVE indicate that it indeed DOES happen from time to time and not just online...man you guys are hypocrites.
lamannaINT you also play way more hands/hour online so situations like this are bound to happen more often. +.. wtf does stars have to gain from a specific person losing a pot? They grab the rake either way.
They make most of their money on deposits... Every time you busto, they make a killing off those deposits, way more than that rake. Also, as long as they keep making everyone go busto from these fake bad beats, the less likely anyone will be doing any money transfers back to their banks. I tried taking money out of my account when I was up a few 100 dollars and of course they make it such an inconvenience that you don't even wanna do it. I think they said I needed like over 6k or something ridiculous to do an instant withdrawal. Anything less would take nearly a month or something. Seems to me like they wanna keep your money on the site as long as possible and they will do anything to ensure it stays there. Most like making a killing off investing people's money in god knows what, or just simply earning interest off of it.
So much props to Vanessa for not insta calling. That's just sick.
she stilled called so she doesn't get that much props
Agreed. Inexperienced players would call instantly and flip over the cards! She took her time and came to the conclusion that it is possible for Baumann to do this with A7 so she had to call.
It's just Hollywooding for the camera she's never folding
@@offrampc Baumann is never flatting A7 on the button from an UTG +1 raise
@@AceEquality Would be poor to fold A7s on the button 300bb deep. It's better than 22-55 that deep which you may consider snap calls.
"I almost folded it." No one would ever fold that hand. Like ever.
Kym Lim folded quad queens on AdQdQc8d10d, it was 800 BB deep instead of just 300BBs in this hand.
When playing really deep stacked you don't want to be calling an all in often at all. Especially when the spr on the flop is huge (obviously you can stack off lighter in a 4bet or 5bet pot).
Exactly. Pros are annoying when they waste everyone's time "going through the motions."
I think she would have made the fold with AdAh (blocking the only other value hands she would do this with A7s)
That's what you think. I've had day dreams of having to fold quad aces to a 2 card royal. Speak for your yourself donk.
@@Baseballfn34420 you either fold or play the hand. You don't "almost call" or "almost fold". That's donkey talk
Firstly Selbst took this really well. Secondly can't believe how much she considered folding, she obviously really respects Baumanns game, to know she couldn't be pushing with 5's on this board.
It’s disrespectful to fold there
@@EricSmyth4Christ - we've found him, the guy eho knows absolutely nothing about what respect means
@d4ve19 No, it's disrespectful to fold. Folding basically means you don't respect your opponents ability to ever bluff ever.
@@Lumerlume11 at least someone gets it
@@Lumerlume11 You are conflating different meanings of the word 'respect'. Think about it before you respond.
No shit she thought about folding. She overbets the river for almost 110 bb's and gets raised to 243 bb's by a tight player.
Juanda had trips
So sick! And impossible since all the remaining 7s where in Baumanns hand
Sadiqur Rahman wrong video
Sadiqur Rahman lol juanda, even when he isn’t at the table he still gets trips, so sick
@@ActivistVictor Juanda got second place
9 high like a boss
Who is this Vanessa everyone is referring to? Sorry for your loss, Doug.
kiddingme01 Mr. Vanessa
its a girl that looks like the guy in this video but venessa shove deep with J7 preflop..this one fold aces full.
Y'know, at the beginning of this vid I was looking forward to seeing Selbst crushed but she actually played it well and reacted to it and was so unlikely to come up against quads with Aces full... fair play to her, very unlucky, very sick.
It wasn't a guy so her latent pen is envy and desire to prove her masculinity wasn't triggered.
The way she thought about the hand in depth and didn’t snap call is crazy. 99.9999% of players are snap-calling there, and I really don’t think she was slow-rolling. I wouldn’t even have considered checking the suits of my aces.
@@septicwomb4394what difference would the suit of her aces make??
@@Simon1985_ If Selbst had the ace of hearts she would know Baumann isn’t playing A7 suited. Selbst is holding the ace of diamonds and the black sevens are on the board, so Baumann can’t be playing them either. She’s assuming Baumann wouldn’t be playing an unsuited A7 hand. So, if Selbst had the ace of hearts she could narrow Baumann down precisely to quads. Because Selbst doesn’t have the ace of hearts, Baumann could be playing A7 of hearts and have a smaller full house, so Selbst has to call.
In other words, Selbst narrowed Baumann down to quads or an AA777 full house, but AA777 only makes sense if Baumann is playing Ah7h. Selbst has no Ah, so Baumann could have Ah7h, and so Selbst calls.
@@septicwomb4394 oh I see what you mean now. That’s still absolutely crazy how much they think about it. Suppose that’s why they’re millionaires. I’m never folding Selbt’s hand though. If they have quads I’m out the tournament and would consider it the correct call mathematically, even although I lost.
what do you mean last A ? the A was out !! 0:07
People in the hand can't know that for obvious reasons, and anybody who uses folded cards in their analysis is doing it wrong.
@@sportsjefeThe broadcast incorrectly claimed she was drawing live to the last ace.
She said "I'm gonna need allot of time", then she makes her decision in about 30 seconds.
there aren't that many hands that could even be in that position, and she had one of them. honestly, she thought about folding way longer than most would.
I’m gonna need a lot of.... Call! Nice hand
The video is cut down. This took her a good 3 minutes
@@keokibutler6696 Yeah lol its so obviously edited. Even the decisions on flop and turn were trimmed.
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Guys remember, she wanted to fold.
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That's the difference between good and bad players . I understood her . For shoving over a bet you need to have strongest hand .
halo44 Especially because it was an overbet from Selbst, so Baumann needed a stronger hand than usual
I think he wanted to fold.
But she could have had a7 of hearts.
The fact that she even thought about, it is amazing!
BUt she DIDN'T!
Not really, she is only beating a7 like she said. 5's would just call. No way Bauman would try an insane bluff there. She is a great player, but the fact she is thinking about folding is not amazing....
I don't even play high price mtt's anymore.. I don't need the stress anymore now that I have made enough... playing in $55 and $100 mtt's all the time all the time.. was quite the time in my life..
Lukas Stasinas amazingly stupid, if you "want to lay down top boat " people will be robbing you blind
GinEric84 well in cash games its a snap call in main event when its between two pro's who know each other well it's diffrent story.
GinEric84 And notice that vanessa overbetted the pot on the river and then she got jammed on. and if you get jammed on when overbetting you know something aint right. Notice that she wast even thinking about pocket 55 it was 50/50 between A7 and quads and getting roughly 3:1 on a call its just too hard to fold i guess.
that is a favorable turn for Baumann
No, it was a favorable turn for Doug you idiot!
are u sure ?
Neeme would insta call
Selena Smith NO! it was a sick cooler for Doug, he should just stick to doing youtube videos
Andrew is that you ?
So funny! I think her favourite line after she makes a losing call is “I almost folded”. LOL
No she REALLY did want to, If she had both red aces, she would have.. because she already knows Bauman is not doing this with 55's she would have just CALLED the river overbet with 5's full and, the only two hands that really make any sense besides that point is A7 of hearts or 77's.. its 50 50.. She can push with A7 of hearts and 77's that is the range after that overbet river.. so its not "almost folded" she really wanted to for real.
we need a compilation of selbst losing hands and claiming she was going to fold...
Chicken Chauffeur yeah no one wants to watch a 9 hr video though.
Oh is this a frequent Selbst-ism?
Or just a comp vid of her loosing... That works too.
Brilliant!
She swears to God 🙏
Great to see Doug getting into shape and losing some kilos finally.
haha
i actually wentback to watch the clip to see if he was in it, then it hit me, lmao
So much respect for Vanessa! The fact that she's so good to even think about folding there just shows that she didn't deserve to be busted by quads the first day.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*he
I don't care who you are, no one here is getting away from top full house. Not even James Obst.
She made a good point: Baumann couldn't have Ac7c, As7s, nor Ad7d. The only hand that made sense was Ah7h, and anyone would play Ah7h the exact same way as quads in this situation. You have to make that call, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I've folded a straight flush to a royal and been right 6/7 times. It happens all the time. Quads over quads are 50% of the hands dealt where the big boys play
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@TheShampooDude **9 now. Posted that a bit ago. Just folded another one last night. Cash game. 850$ in pot and he raised me all in for another 45$ and I tossed my straight flush into the muck... He flips over the royal. Take notes kid
bontronblock lmfao liar 🤥
A good player will not shove A7hh. Easy fold.
bontronblock if you’re folding straight flushes with 20-1 pot odds I wanna play with you sometime I’ll be happy to take your money😂😂
Even more than how it played out, I really appreciate the quality of the video.
I remember watching this and thinking yessss, c ya Selbst
She's awful
Keep trying Doug, Kid Poker would have folded there.
Rudi Storm poker brat!!
No, A7 as she analyzed would have pretty much played the same way.
I agree with Aditya, I don't think Dnegs would've folded that. A7 does play the same way and even if she had a read on Gaelle she wouldn't believe her gut enough to fold top boat there.
As a general rule,
Zeebo's Theorem - Nobody ever folded a full house.
LOL
Source: forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-small-stakes-full-ring/concise-list-2-2-theorems-183304/
Yes, A7s plays the same way post. Pre is less clear however, I assume Gaelle won't flat it so that makes river really close.
James Obst would have folded ;)
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Obst boat fold was a no brainer
Vayo also would've folded :).
haha
fuck Obst.. just the name means fruit in german, which is disgusting to have a name like that...over here its meat only my nigga
there is no "fold" what the fuck is she talking about. no one ever folds this. if they have quads too bad. you dont fold this. ever.
Yes u can. Only hand she can have is a7 which is so unlikely because she has aa... Very small chance she is tyring to do an insane bluff... I would say there is at least a 50% chance she has 77. If u disagree you're not a top player... Plain and simple...
Deniz Demir Correct.
Deniz Demir yep, unless you know 101% that the other person has quad, there is no way to fold it. Holding AA and flopped trip then full house, that's what you're hoping for
if she has 50% of the time quad 7, you HAVE to call.
Michael.. Your comment is dumb because why is it less likely she has A7 than 77 when there are two sevens on the board. Don't just repeat shit you hear on TH-cam.
“Fun playing with you guys!”
"Fun playing with you too, guy!"
hahaha
The little guy wanted to fold
What's going on with Baumann's right arm pit at 2:29?
I played with Selbst live once, before she was somewhat well known in the poker community. She was rude, acidic, and kept calling me "Tough Guy" because I raised her ONCE, and I did it SILENTLY, without saying a SINGLE WORD. Hence, I can't stand her.
However, gotta give her props here, most people just snap-call in that situation, but she seemed to know she was beat.
All these woman who are wannabe men are like that , frustrated and sad
After they show the fourth 7 on the turn making it a quad for Baumann. Why does it say still 2% chance to win for Vanessa? The only way she could win is if they pulled out another ACE on the river for the higher value quad, correct? But they showed that Rosen had an ACE in her hand and she folded. So there are no more aces to deal. So shouldn't it be 0%? Or is there a hand I'm not seeing.
because the odds are calculate based on the fact that all needed cards are still in the deck (or the player perspective). from Selbst persepective there's still 2 aces in the deck
Gotcha. Lame though that should get updated.
yeah in this case 1 ace you're right :P
If you see the other hands on TH-cam where she gets stacked, she always says “I wanted to fold, I swear” after she gets stacked
In the few years of live and online experience, if this scenario ever rolled around it was always an insta call. Amazing that she really thought about it..
I love that this was so early in the tournament. This was like the first hand I watch and it was so brutal.
The fact that she even thought about it makes me realize I’ll never be a pro poker player
i always knew doug was a pigeon. schwartz would've folded there.
S DB thats crazy bro i was just telling my pigeon what a schwartz you doug. 💁💨
4:03 "what kinda table draw did i get?" lool
Did Lon not see Rosen fold A6 PF? The case A hit on the flop.
CUrious what the SB said to the BB at 3:30.
I wish she would have folded for these reasons:
1. Baumann has A7hh or 77 so she will bust 50% of the time. Not great to start flipping for tournament life in the main this early.
2.she would have 130 bigs after folding. Could cruise easily back to starting stack. There's still a lot of time even on day 2.
3. it would be such a boss move and she would get so much respect as a player.
I'd love to play against you if you're folding the second nuts, with only 1 combo that has you. Your assumption it's 50/50 is just wrong... two options do not mean they're equally as likely. And even if she does have you 50% of the time which she doesn't, you're getting a great price. And I think you're being results orientated... If it had gone the other way you would be saying she's a nit I bet.
@@georgefc9168 Well said, George. Everyone is an expert and knows the 2nd nuts are no good until they find themselves in the same spot, without the luxury of knowing what their opponent has. I bet 99% of players snap call there.
i see this bullshit everyday in jokerstars 3-4 times in a 5 hour session :D
if we know she can fold AA, it would be profitable to bluff shove all our 7X... just call Vanessa Polk
How many videos do u see of people making insane bluffs and getting away with it?? Very few and none like this hand...
Michael Angst you've never seen the durrrr 7-2 challenge apparently
LOL Polk
Who you calling she that's a dude
This is a tournament not a cash game.
Checking the suits on the aces to realize there one combo of suited A7 left is a high level play. Had to call those pot odds cause she only loses to one combo of 7s and beats at least one combo. Sick.
Yeah. If Vanessa had the two read aces, I’d be curious to see if she folds or if she would’ve at least considered the possibility of A7o or trips turned into a bluff
I would have snap called, but thinking about it again, folding might be an option, if Vanessa had the A of hearts instead of spades. That would take A7s out of Baumann's range making it only 77 for quads. Very interesting hand!
she could of had K 7 and still went all in...No one is folding there you either lose on a fluke beat or double up
Why would the suit of Vanessa’s Aces make any difference? It wouldn’t.
@@Milburt With the A of hearts instead of spades, Baumann wouldnt have A7s in her range making her value range only 77. As the hand played out, she can have A7s of hearts, so there is a hand in her (value) range that Vanessa can beat.
@@ScienceExplainedeasy aahhhh great point. Thanks for letting me know I didn’t think of that 👍
Definitely love to see this happen to Vanessa way more than Helmuth
Folding second nuts is a stupid move, even if you believe the other player has quads. You lose against just one hand and win against every other full house and flush with that board. There are like 20 hands she beats and 1 hand she loses against, so in the long term it's a bad fold
Michele Cozzarin precisely he is the biggest fucking donk ever for saying he was gonna fold!!
@ Michele
Absolutely. Even if it knocks you out of the tourney, You're NEVER folding Aces full wired. Never, ever, ever, ever.
How can she be so stupid for saying she swears to God she was going to fold. DERP.
What 20 hands do you speak of. Selbst really sized up the river. No flush is ever raising that river tho. Either is 55. Ace 7 offsuit folds preflop. Her true range with this line is A 7 hearts and 77. Getting laid 3/1 you can’t fold in a 50/50 spot. I don’t like selbst either so ...
Yep
@@mmcd1204 only Selbsts could have a flush there. She picked it but wasn't good enough to fold due to the existence of the one combo she could beat. 55s would probably just call the river, at this level
I think baumann deserves a li'l more credit.. she's always being dealt great but she's not screwing them up as well..
what do you mean more credit? everyone knows she's great, and she doesnt always get dealt good, they barely show any hands on tv..
I mean.. people saying stuff like she's getting dealt quads and gets sponsored by winamax and stuff like that..
How do you fuck up a 4 of a kind vs a nut full?
not in this case bud.. generally..
Calm your jizz. The guy said a lil more. NOT more credit than Vanessa.
A player like Vanessa level she would think about it just like the commentator said. She got aces full, what could anybody has that could re-raise her all in? Nothing less than A7
I don’t get it, why does this reverberate through Brasilia?
Why put polk and call him selbst?
I have always been impressed by the near fold.. the fact she even considered folding just makes her one of the best to have played. No normal player could even give it a second thought.
Absolutely true..!
she was never gonna fold and she isnt one of the best.
@@allenvanover6269 yeah, all that posturing was just show for the cameras wasnt it? - and by not one of the best you mean shes not what? top-1%?, top-5%? top-100? - because Im pretty sure when you take poker players as a whole she is still a top- at worst- 3%. Point is- in the hendon mob database there are over 500,000 poker players. Shes #78 in money. I think that counts for something,
@@malarucoon beleave what you want, she was never gonna fold that hand, she knew she may be beat with 4 sevens, but she knew there was a couple other hands she could beat
@@allenvanover6269let us know when you're next on TV in a $25k+ buy in event. I'd like to study your strategies.
Doug Polk, nooooooooooooo
that Selbst guy... What kind of a man names his son Vanessa?
KingFrej lmao right fuckin dude looks weird
The person who lost is a male? Or are people just being PC and being sensitive to gender?
I swore that was a woman
Is she trying to be a female? Females can have short hair but anyone trying to justify Selbst as one is retarded. Bro's keeping it real with the sagged pants half crack ass and all @3:40, he has fine chick too!
made me laugh out loud
Serious question : Has "Vanessa" and Doug even been in the same room at the same time, anywhere? Easy fold tho, just fold AA preflop. I always assume every player has quads in the hole so I might be playing just a little bit "tight".
When Polk asks Baumann :"what do you think i have" 3:05 some guys on the table says "fluusshhh". You think that may have influenced Polk's decision just a bit ? Cause he said he was gonna need a lot of time and he almost insta called.. 3:31 did Doug wanted to fold ? Could Gael have ace seven of hearts ?
I think I would have called even seeing the quads hahaha, amazing to think about this decision
Unlucky for dan here
Ozymandias He combined 2 jokes. Selbst = doug = dan
Dan Pork
Ozymandias selbst is a man!
I mean, we can joke about her all we want, but that is impressive she thought that long on what everyone here would have snap called, including me lol
watch this over and over....over and over...over and over...think I will watch it again...over and over.
Would the French Lady really call pre w/ A7?
"I wanted to fold, though. I swear to God."
That guy kept acting like he was thinking about folding but there was no chance of him folding
day rain gal* she* her*
Did you watch the same video? Definitely a dude.
Nope vanessa selbst is a women. But yes she looks like a man sometimes
I think everyone who commented here didn't get the joke
Mighty - Mobile Gaming I don't either
Nothing makes me happier than seeing Vanessa Selbst get eliminated from tourneys.
Baumann isn’t shoving a7s for heaps of blinds over an overbet… never getting called by 555 or whatever, she just calls a7
why did Selbst say A7 of hearts specifically? why not another suit
What is selbts holding? Ace of Spades and of Diamonds. What ace is on the board? Ace of Clubs. Therefore whats the only Ace left? Ace of Hearts. Now we do the same with 7. The 7 of clubs and spades are on the board. What hand makes the most sense according to the flow of the betting pattern? Ah 7h as the most likely hand candidate Baumann could have with the way she played it.
Poor Doug, he shouldn't have been so loosey goosey with that AA
Aces Full is too high in Doug's Range, he can't fold it. What a GTO newbie
Marcel 😩😂
"I almost folded"
Did you?
Guys, she almost folded. Give her her chips back
I would've insta-called (Don't lie, you would've too), so yeah the time she took indicates she was in two minds about it.
Should Selbst have check/called the river?
actually I doubt Baumann would ship A7hh especially stack sizes are so similar. still a 50 50 call imo
U lost bro
But I flopped a set
A free Wrong video
Vanessa is an amazing player. Almost everyone snap calls there. Great instincts to consider a fold !
It's not great instincts. she bets 16k on river with 20k behind. Bauman is never bluffing in this spot. It's literally either a7 or quads. Anybody would take a moment to think there. Who would be capable of actually folding is another story
she never considered folding. your intitled to see it anyway you want, but i see her never folding
Tv
@@nardinit people'can also over estimare a flush..
Well I'm way far from Vanessa's poker level but I have to disagree with her. She's considering that Gaelle might raise river with Ah7h (the only A7s combo possible because Vanessa blocks all the others) but if she does so, I mean what worst hand from Gaelle's prospective is calling u? A flush? Now way. 55? No way because it's the worst full possible at the river and only fulls are calling u down 300bb deep, our bluffing range is just 0 combos here. 75s? Mayyyybbee. A7s? Mayyybbeee. So basically, if Gaelle shoves A7s, the potential calling range of Vanessa is AA/A7s/75s/55. I think Vanessa is too good to call down 75s and 55, she would probably fuckfold these combos. That would leave us with AA/A7. So in Gaelle's shoes, if u shove river A7, the best u're hoping from Vanessa is a chop pot, u're never called by worst. That's why I think Gaelle's only shoving with AA/77 and calling river with A7s, but she can't have AA due to card removal, therefore she only shoves with quads.
At the end of the hand, Vanessa clearly opens her thoughts buy saying: "If you shoves Ah7h I have to call" which is mathematically correct, and Gaelle approves, but I really doubt that if Gaelle give it some thoughts also, she shoves that specific combo river.
If you want to fold AA here, play any random youtuber heads up and I am confident you would get crushed and exploited. You sound like scared money
his level is 2/5 player on 888poker.
I can't believe this is 5 years ago. Looks exactly like the TV table of day 1 2023 wsop
I’m gonna need a lot of time.
10 seconds later: “I call”
So fun watching this man lose lol
I love 100% seeing her get beats like this it pleases my soul.
the fact that Selbst did not snap call shows her talent
Not so much, the hands that Really show her talent are the ones where she makes the Correct play in a tough spot.
Talk is cheap, the 77 was an obvious hand to *consider* folding to, but just like the 99%, she made the same play we would and lost.
@@delg1211 it was the correct play, as she reasoned very clearly.
2:12 baumann immediate looks at her chips after selbst bets. Super strong tell
It depends bc I've noticed some players look down a lot and try not to view the board so they end up looking at their chips.
Why does she keep saying A7 of hearts? Why hearts and not diamonds?
last first because Vanessa possessed the ace of diamonds making it impossible for Gale to have that combination.
Doug Polk could have had the best fold ever in Poker.
Worst fold ever* it's a terrible fold...
The fact that she even thinks about folding here just proves how good she really is
It proves nothing. It was one hour into the main event and she knew Gail was a tight player who wouldn't bluff all her chips.
Not sure but I think she wanted to fold
3:40 Peace out!
Who gets the reference?
from time to time i need to watch this video!
Best WSOP moment ever.
One year, on the FIRST HAND of the tournament, Sam Farha took out Kate Hudson's brother. The brother had TT and Farha had AT and the flop was AAT.
I hate it when poker players act like they were close to folding - no you were never going to fold if you did it would have been and awful play. Baum man could be raising that definitely with 55, 75s, and loosely nut flushes. Stop trying to act better than you are.
Ben Dummett it's a helluva parlay to put 75s in her range.
Maybe 55 is in there but when Doug overbets the river there is no way she is shoving where she NEVER gets called by worse (with this many blinds this early in the main)
there is no way she has any other hands other than A7h or quad 77 and she does play tight, i even remember in an interview she she wouldn't have raised on the river with A7h, dont really know how truthful that is but still
Baumann never pushing all in with the nut flush or 55s since Vanessa never calling with worse (for that many blinds early in the tournament) Probably not 75 either. Vanessa even thinking about folding when she knows Baumann never bluffing in this spot is impressive. (Most of us is snap calling anyway)
I love watching her lose. It’s so amazing
Not that I would fold AA here, bit I think it's questionable that Baumann would shove with A7.
You misspelled Doug Polk
Vanessa COULD have found a fold here. She has raised from an early position, bet the flop and then shown incredible strength by checkraising the turn and overbetting the river. Realistically what hands would Baumann raise the river with after this incredible show of strength from Vanessa? Vanessa seems to think it might be A7 of hearts but I think Baumann would just call on the river with that as she will likely fold out all worse hands by shoving therefore making it pointless and she would be scared of Vanessa having aces as that is very plausible given how the hand played out. Oh and the biggest idiot in this video has to be the guy who thinks Vanessa has a flush on the river!
james19js spot on what I think about the hand also she never re shoved with a7 only 77 but I still call lol
He got unlucky on there, feel bad for the guy.
Flounder
@@Myrt94 he's not wrong.......
@@Myrt94 exactly......
@@Myrt94 Why does she look like a man then?
This is a call, i don't give a rats ass of all you smart people saying it's a fold LOL
TheMrLBC Onviously it's a call if you put it in a vacuum but nothing is a snap call unless it's stone nuts. You're the type of guy who most likely can never fold aces after the flop and is a total fish. I have this so I call with zero thought behind it. Keep playing 1-2 and 2-5 little fishy
@Mike McD So you are comparing one pair, to nut full house with possible flush on board... God you are dumber than i first thought!
He has the second nuts it's a definite call.
you have to take into consideration its day one of the main event.....blinds aren't a factor and your'e playing against a very tight player....some professional players would fold here
WELL THERE IS REBUY IS IT NOT? IF IT WAS THE FIRST DAY?
How many times does this girl "almost fold"?