@@Cheesep_ You said you love the way the red line is. Do you actually love it, or do you not like it? Personally, I think it's great that it's not directly over the notes currently being played.
The real campanella is the 1838 version because it's faithful to the original one for violin. The 1851 version is not a real piano transcription but instead it's a departure from original piece of Paganini, so it's more like "A theme on La campanella", more a standalone pieace for piano, inspired by the original one of Paganini for violin.
though liszt was far more musically mature when he revised these etudes, i still think the original flows pretty well despite parts being grabbed from like 2 concertos and many movements.
Thank you, Maestro. I love the 1838 version more than the 1851 version. Very happy to see this format even though this is a Radio channel, thank you for the extra effort.
@@daniel720 I have never doubted Maestro's ability. He is born to play piano. It's just a matter of time, he only has the same 24 hours as you and I have. In the meantime, I simply revisit ALL his 259 videos on Traum Piano, the Traumian channel and this Radio channel.
@@daniel720 Traum prefers to stay anonymous until he is ready to reveal himself. I wouldn't want to risk loosing him sharing his beautiful artistry by naming him.
I was so surprised by the speed with which you played the 1851 piece that I honestly can’t decide whether I like it or not, I’m gonna have to keep coming back to this until I get used to it
Honestly I don't really understand why "La campenella" has been recognised as "one of the hardest piano pieces in the world." It is in fact one of the easiest etude liszt have ever written. But the musicality in this music is indeed good, which could be one of the reason it's famous for. If you guys wish to see somthing's really hard check this out：S.140 No.4b, Étude d'exécution transcendante d'après Paganini
That is indeed true. In fact, only 1 human that manage to play it at tempo (or maybe faster) which is Yi Chung Huang. I would say he actually is in top 5 of all pianist in term of technically
1838 was interesting...maybe because I practised the 1851 so much during the peak of my abilities when younger, I can't really do a fair comparison in my heart because I've put so much more into my relationship with the 1851 piece. From that perspective, the 1838 feels almost embryonic/primitive in comparison. Even if it is still very nice, the piece somehow feels more clunky in transition and technique...wondering how much of that is because of the violin dimension.
귀에 익숙함의 차이인지 아니면 원래 의도인지 모르겠지만 뒤에 나온 연주가 더 자연스럽고 매끄럽고 듣기에도 치기에도 편안(?)한 느낌을 주고 오리지널이라고 한 부분은 상대적으로 풍성하고 화려한 느낌인데 '갑자기 왜 이렇게?' 싶은 부분이 좀 있는 것 같다? 그런 차이가 있지만 어느 쪽도 좋네요.
Very interesting comparison. I had never heard the 1838 version before, but the 1851 is one of my favourite pieces. First thing that jumps out is how the 1851 is far more consistent about that main theme. It comes back in technical variations 5 times, while the 1838 only really states it once and then references it briefly later on. There's also the significant key change in the 1838 that lasts till the end; I was waiting for it to come back and recapitulate the minor theme but it just ended. That said, there are a few aspects of the 1838 I really like. The way the theme is stated would've been a cool 6th variation in the 1851 version I think, especially that "spicier" chordal accompaniment. Thanks for this!
Wow! Phantastic exercise! Great thanks for this comparison! In fact, I love both, in spite of the fact v2 indeed a little bit overplayed. But this doesn't make v2 less brilliant. V1 is beautiful and rather rare and uncommon) thanks the channel for publishing this! ❤ Btw I wonder is there any crazy man who composed a cembalo transcription for this? This would so interesting to listen how this sounds being played at cembalo 🤔
Given that the original Paganini one is in B minor, I'm curious about why he transposed it. At first I thought it was because having more black keys makes the leaps easier but, given that the 1838 version doesn't have to many of those and is still transposed, that might not be the reason.
I much rather prefer the original version. I’m happy that there is an original version… I have been tired of hearing the second version played ad nauseam. 😊😊😊😊😊
WOW, I definitely prefer the 1838 version, because it is a fuller, more GRANDE rondo that also employed the 3rd movement of Paganini’s 1st violin concerto (while la Campanella is the 3rd movement of his 2nd violin concerto). There is also the “intermediate” version in Ab minor that is purely la Campanella, with all the 1st violin concerto materials removed. (Nikita Magaloff recorded that version.)
La primera versión es una obra con desarrollo y variedad, una joya que no debe olvidarse y creo debería tocarse más seguido, aunque si bien ese final es muy bello, es más convencional y optimista. En cambio, la versión posterior, es como un tema con variaciones. Listz va estirando el hermoso, elegante y burlesco motivo de una manera ingeniosa para darle a la pieza una transformación dionisiaca y más salvaje para el final que yo creo que da un mejor cierre al estudio. Para mí, la versión de 1838, tiene un desarrollo más interesante y cerebral y la versión de 1851 tiene un desarrollo más contenido y limitado que en cambio apuesta más por el contenido emocional desatado.
Here it is not about which is the best but about enjoying these two great masterpieces of a great genius. The one who could give an opinion would be Liszt himself, contact him through a Ouija board 😜.
@@sxq6641 i dont think the musicality of la clachotte is that bad, if keep listening it, there are some part that is much unique and better than these two
Both versions are increadible as a pianist im somehow bipolar sometimes i like the older version more sometimes the newer one more but there is one thing that doesnt change: i cant play both😮. But i still keep going i already can play a good bunch of parts from the new version so ina one or two years i might play ir perfectly
Per me è più bella la seconda versione perché è più appassionante e inoltre sembra più variata e ornata rispetto alla campanella di Paganini, rendendola sempre un'esecuzione trascendentale. Comunque sono violinista e mi piace tantissimo anche la Campanella di Paganini, per non creare fraintendimenti.
Second version SO much better. It is perfectly constructed. The first has Paganini's flaws- he was great at coming up with virtuoso material but he was bad at construction - the first version wanders around, and just ends without resolving well.
The original had a lot more influence from violin concerto no. 1. It seemed to pull from Paganinis first two violin concertos, and I think it’s better for it.
When you said original Campanella, I thought you were referring to Paganini ! Liszt did not compose this marvel, he only transposed it to piano. Paganini ❤
Во 1 спасибо что предоставил ноты Во 2 оригинал всегда более особеннее будет т.к. с него и все пародии начинаются Например что лучше паленые кроссовки или брендовые Тут тоже так же оригинал лучше
The older version has many moments that I prefer musically, but don't work very well on the piano. The second version is far more pianistic, at the cost of some of the unbridled originality.
Yo prefiero la versión de 1838 porque la otra versión no te llega tanto al sentimiento, en cambio la primera versión, tiene un final mejor que la de 1851
@@YTSeiyaGoFire I think s 700ii slightly harder. S 420 require immense raw talent and some refined skill but s 700ii need more than raw talent which is greater refined skill.
Paganini introduces Liszt's variations to his son, from 21:41 to 21:51. Of course it’s the 1st version, 1838, as Paganini died 2 years later, in 1840. th-cam.com/video/gRL1rLNprRg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=64XBY2HweVZGmyIB
I've heard that that's because the older version was much harder to play and some people asked it to be simplified... But sounds silly if you think about it...
I love it how the red bar isn’t even in time with the playing
Wait, are you being satirical? Do you want the red bar to cover up the notes that are currently being played, rather than being slightly to the side?
@@jamesrockybullin5250 you can still see the fat black dots after the freaking red line has passed the notes 😭 🙏
@@jamesrockybullin5250 also wdyem satirical??
@@Cheesep_ You said you love the way the red line is. Do you actually love it, or do you not like it?
Personally, I think it's great that it's not directly over the notes currently being played.
i just think why not use a see through red line or smth
The real campanella is the 1838 version because it's faithful to the original one for violin. The 1851 version is not a real piano transcription but instead it's a departure from original piece of Paganini, so it's more like "A theme on La campanella", more a standalone pieace for piano, inspired by the original one of Paganini for violin.
D'accordo
Exactly
It's not necessarily more faithful to the original. In fact it takes themes from two different concerti and mixes it into one.
@@rubenvasquez8592
It is more accurate to Paganini than 1851 iirc
Muy buena crítica 😁👍totalmente de acuerdo.
The older version seems much more clunky; the revised version seems to flow and makes more sense musically to me.
Thats actually what I like about the older version
The older sounds like a closer transposition from the violin original composition so it almost sounds like it was meant to be played that way.
though liszt was far more musically mature when he revised these etudes, i still think the original flows pretty well despite parts being grabbed from like 2 concertos and many movements.
The only reason I like the older version more is because the newer version is overplayed af.
i like more the old because this musical exaggeration... and because the major G#
The original Campanella has part of the third movements of Paganini's concerto 1 and 2
8:50 even if you like the older version better you got to admit the drop goes hard 🔥
Thank you, Maestro. I love the 1838 version more than the 1851 version.
Very happy to see this format even though this is a Radio channel, thank you for the extra effort.
Thank you!
@@daniel720
Yes, he sure did and his performance gave me goosebumps every time I watched.
@@daniel720
I have never doubted Maestro's ability. He is born to play piano. It's just a matter of time, he only has the same 24 hours as you and I have.
In the meantime, I simply revisit ALL his 259 videos on Traum Piano, the Traumian channel and this Radio channel.
@@daniel720
Traum prefers to stay anonymous until he is ready to reveal himself. I wouldn't want to risk loosing him sharing his beautiful artistry by naming him.
Old is gold
He made it easier in later years to kindly let people play his works smoothly.
Amazing interpretation of the second version! The tempo was constant throughout the entire piece. I can’t even play 6:23 at half your speed
😉
I was so surprised by the speed with which you played the 1851 piece that I honestly can’t decide whether I like it or not, I’m gonna have to keep coming back to this until I get used to it
Honestly I don't really understand why "La campenella" has been recognised as "one of the hardest piano pieces in the world." It is in fact one of the easiest etude liszt have ever written. But the musicality in this music is indeed good, which could be one of the reason it's famous for. If you guys wish to see somthing's really hard check this out：S.140 No.4b, Étude d'exécution transcendante d'après Paganini
That is indeed true. In fact, only 1 human that manage to play it at tempo (or maybe faster) which is Yi Chung Huang. I would say he actually is in top 5 of all pianist in term of technically
Or S.420, its the hardest one of the 5 campanella themes that liszt wrote.
1838 is crisp
Thank you Traum! You are really skilled to play both versions of this insane piece :)
Traum definitely didn't disappoint on either version.
You're everywhere XDDDDDD @Sirlouco Piano
@@norixsynth loll. Thanks? :)
Thanks!
Achei vc de novo, rossil
The 2nd version is more "Campana" (Bell) and makes more sense to me. I also enjoyed it more.
1838년 S.140 버전은 중간에 바이올린 협주곡 1번 3악장 멜로디를 차용함으로써 곡이 한층 더 풍성해진 듯한 느낌을 주는 것 같아요. 그러다가 마지막에 가서는 다시 처음 멜로디로 돌아가는 득 하다가 화려하게 마무리짓는게 매력인 것 같아요🎹🔥💛
Both versions are wonderful for me, but if I have to choose one, I would choose the first. but I love them both
Both worth to learn
1838 was interesting...maybe because I practised the 1851 so much during the peak of my abilities when younger, I can't really do a fair comparison in my heart because I've put so much more into my relationship with the 1851 piece. From that perspective, the 1838 feels almost embryonic/primitive in comparison. Even if it is still very nice, the piece somehow feels more clunky in transition and technique...wondering how much of that is because of the violin dimension.
Woah. That 1838 version. 🔥
The original version is so much more interesting and varied! I love it!
It's varied because part of it is based on a theme from Paganini's other concerto, and so doesn't belong.
So amazing. It has rich hint to its violin version...
Here's Traum playing La Campanella 1838 version
th-cam.com/video/afAgmukeOGw/w-d-xo.html
Did anyone notice the 1838 version sounds more like Paganini’s original than did the 1851 version?
It's from Paganini's violin concerto 2, 3 rd movement.
Maestro's amazing performance of 1838 version
th-cam.com/video/afAgmukeOGw/w-d-xo.html
Yes that was his point in making it. The revised one is more like a variation on a theme or something else that doesn’t really fit the name
I've never heard the old version but I like it better than the new one
hope you enjoy it!
첫번째는 좀 정돈이 않된 투박한 느낌이 좋다하면 두번째는 섬세하게 잘짜여서 고급스러운 느낌을주군요
1838버전 너무 잘 듣고 있습니다. 트라움님이 영상 올리기 전까진 몰랐던 곡이었는데 요즘 푹 빠져서 매일같이 듣고 있네요 ㅎㅎ 오늘도 영상 감사합니다 :)
감사합니다!😊
何回か聴いてるとオリジナル版が好きになってきた。
1838 feels like a fresh breeze of air for me. Gotta have to familiarize myself with the sounds first.
피아노 치는 느낌이 너무 트라움님이길래 뭔가 했는데 라디오 채널도 있으셨군요
Wow, the 1838 version is a carbon copy of Paganini's VC's 1 AND 2
La Campanella can sound nostalgic
Wait till traum finds out about S.420, S.700i, and S.700ii.
Amazingly played! Which one do you prefer? Would love to know. Personally i like the original version.
he said in another comment that he's played s141 so much he's a bit fed up with it
違う作品として聴けば、先の作品もかなり素敵です。カンパネラはやはりよく聞かれる後者がしっくりきますね。
귀에 익숙함의 차이인지 아니면 원래 의도인지 모르겠지만 뒤에 나온 연주가 더 자연스럽고 매끄럽고 듣기에도 치기에도 편안(?)한 느낌을 주고 오리지널이라고 한 부분은 상대적으로 풍성하고 화려한 느낌인데 '갑자기 왜 이렇게?' 싶은 부분이 좀 있는 것 같다? 그런 차이가 있지만 어느 쪽도 좋네요.
오리지널 중간부분부터 끝까지 파가니니 바협 1번 3악장 멜로디입니다 듣자마자 감동 한번 듣고 들어보세요
I like 1838ver.😎
😆
Very interesting comparison. I had never heard the 1838 version before, but the 1851 is one of my favourite pieces.
First thing that jumps out is how the 1851 is far more consistent about that main theme. It comes back in technical variations 5 times, while the 1838 only really states it once and then references it briefly later on. There's also the significant key change in the 1838 that lasts till the end; I was waiting for it to come back and recapitulate the minor theme but it just ended.
That said, there are a few aspects of the 1838 I really like. The way the theme is stated would've been a cool 6th variation in the 1851 version I think, especially that "spicier" chordal accompaniment.
Thanks for this!
Have you watched the First Day practice and the actual performance on Traum Piano channel?
You've got it - the 1831 version loses interest in the theme
Wow! Phantastic exercise! Great thanks for this comparison! In fact, I love both, in spite of the fact v2 indeed a little bit overplayed. But this doesn't make v2 less brilliant. V1 is beautiful and rather rare and uncommon) thanks the channel for publishing this! ❤ Btw I wonder is there any crazy man who composed a cembalo transcription for this? This would so interesting to listen how this sounds being played at cembalo 🤔
I prefere the 1838 version because la Campanella is overplayed lol
Really? Theres like 0.2 people in the world who can play it and traum is one of them
Listen to S.420 then :)
true me too
@@Chris2102 don’t forget Rousseau too!
it is definitely not, it is just 1838 that is underplayed.
1838 version > 1851 version
I saw your 1838 version and it was superb. Nice performance as always :)
👍
More beautiful the second version
There are more bells in the newer version, so it's more of a CAMPANELLA than the older variant. I definitely prefer the newer one.
初めて聴いたけど、1838版、かなり良い。
ファースト・ヴァージョンなんて、知らんかったな〜😎
Thank you for educating us
Very helpful information.
1851 is the best!❤
체르니 선생님은 리스트를 어떻게 가르쳤길 때 곡마다 이럴까요? 너무 어려워요!
When a difficult piano piece is too simple and you make it more... impossible...
Given that the original Paganini one is in B minor, I'm curious about why he transposed it. At first I thought it was because having more black keys makes the leaps easier but, given that the 1838 version doesn't have to many of those and is still transposed, that might not be the reason.
The original S.420 one was a semitone higher, the main melody, instead of being on an Eb, its on ENatural, like, E E D C C B A Ab A B.
I feel like this is easier than the revised version simply cuz I don't have to dart my hand up and down the keys
I like both! But a little bit more the newer! The 1838 is more melodic, the 1851 is more techinque (also melodic but more difficult!)
I think the older one is harder
amazing traumzz
It would be better to combine the technique of the opening from the 1851 version with the variety of themes from the 1838 version.
Introducing busoni's version
Based
わたしが聴いたことのあるセカンドバージョンは、主題を存分に活かしたもので、オリジナルのとは全然違っていたんですね。
I much rather prefer the original version. I’m happy that there is an original version… I have been tired of hearing the second version played ad nauseam.
😊😊😊😊😊
WOW, I definitely prefer the 1838 version, because it is a fuller, more GRANDE rondo that also employed the 3rd movement of Paganini’s 1st violin concerto (while la Campanella is the 3rd movement of his 2nd violin concerto). There is also the “intermediate” version in Ab minor that is purely la Campanella, with all the 1st violin concerto materials removed. (Nikita Magaloff recorded that version.)
First version is better.
the newer version missed out an entire motif. probably to make it easier to play? i enjoyed both versions but like the old version a little more.
La primera versión es una obra con desarrollo y variedad, una joya que no debe olvidarse y creo debería tocarse más seguido, aunque si bien ese final es muy bello, es más convencional y optimista.
En cambio, la versión posterior, es como un tema con variaciones. Listz va estirando el hermoso, elegante y burlesco motivo de una manera ingeniosa para darle a la pieza una transformación dionisiaca y más salvaje para el final que yo creo que da un mejor cierre al estudio.
Para mí, la versión de 1838, tiene un desarrollo más interesante y cerebral y la versión de 1851 tiene un desarrollo más contenido y limitado que en cambio apuesta más por el contenido emocional desatado.
Here it is not about which is the best but about enjoying these two great masterpieces of a great genius. The one who could give an opinion would be Liszt himself, contact him through a Ouija board 😜.
두번째가 더 화려해지고 악보도 어려워진 건가요 ? ~ 악보 보면서 들으니 지루하지도 않고 좋습니다 가끔 이렇게 해 주셔도 좋겠어요 ~수고 많으셨습니다 ~~
Here's the 1838 version by Traum
th-cam.com/video/afAgmukeOGw/w-d-xo.html
The 1851 version
th-cam.com/video/Z0DxpGNqg8o/w-d-xo.html
감사합니다!😊
두번째 게 첫번째 것에서 난이도 훨씬 낮춘거임. 원래는 작은종에 의한 대환상곡이라고 첫번째보다도 어려운 버전이 있었는데 곡 분량도 너무 길고 계속 듣고 있기도 힘들 정도로 음악성이 좋지 못해서 총 두번의 리메이크를 거쳐 지금의 라 캄파넬라가 됨
@@sxq6641 i dont think the musicality of la clachotte is that bad, if keep listening it, there are some part that is much unique and better than these two
곡의 난도는 잘 모르겠으나 개인적으로 음악성과 완성도는 개정판이 더 높게 느껴집니다
My question is why is there no one in our time who can make a classical arrangement like the old composers?
WoW 🤩
ty so much :) i hope we can see you playing op22 from chopin
Both versions are increadible as a pianist im somehow bipolar sometimes i like the older version more sometimes the newer one more but there is one thing that doesnt change: i cant play both😮. But i still keep going i already can play a good bunch of parts from the new version so ina one or two years i might play ir perfectly
Per me è più bella la seconda versione perché è più appassionante e inoltre sembra più variata e ornata rispetto alla campanella di Paganini, rendendola sempre un'esecuzione trascendentale. Comunque sono violinista e mi piace tantissimo anche la Campanella di Paganini, per non creare fraintendimenti.
Second version SO much better. It is perfectly constructed. The first has Paganini's flaws- he was great at coming up with virtuoso material but he was bad at construction - the first version wanders around, and just ends without resolving well.
The original had a lot more influence from violin concerto no. 1. It seemed to pull from Paganinis first two violin concertos, and I think it’s better for it.
When you said original Campanella, I thought you were referring to Paganini !
Liszt did not compose this marvel, he only transposed it to piano.
Paganini ❤
Bellissima nella versione del 38
This is actually Traum piano’s video audio
Во 1 спасибо что предоставил ноты
Во 2 оригинал всегда более особеннее будет т.к. с него и все пародии начинаются
Например что лучше паленые кроссовки или брендовые
Тут тоже так же оригинал лучше
The older version has many moments that I prefer musically, but don't work very well on the piano. The second version is far more pianistic, at the cost of some of the unbridled originality.
Yo prefiero la versión de 1838 porque la otra versión no te llega tanto al sentimiento, en cambio la primera versión, tiene un final mejor que la de 1851
Si yo también creo lo mismo
Siento que la de 1851 se suena como si fuera tema de un personaje de peliculas malvado.
オリジナルはパガニーニのバイオリン協奏曲やで😅
1838年版よりも改訂版の1851 版が美しくて好き！😊😉❤️✨👍🎵
Version 1851 is, in my opinion, nicer and more interesting
전공자인데도 1838 버전은 처음듣네요~ 훨씐어려운데요? 2nd 버젼은 마지막페이지 엔딩이 어렵지 요즘 예중애들도 많이칠정도의 수준이되었지않은가싶어요. 귀한영상 잘보고갑니다~
What is the point of the red bar when it's not even synchronized?
To show where we are at, it doesn’t matter if its not synced
@@ethanthegreat23 HOW can it show where we're at if it's not synchronized, you absolute buffoon
@@googlekonto6666🤡
Antes de Busoni la he leído. en la pauta.
初めて1838年バージョン聴いたけど、ヴァイオリン協奏曲第1番の第3楽章が使われていて驚いた。
どちらが好きと聞かれたら、自分は圧倒的に1851年バージョンの方が好き。
in all honesty, i found the 1838 version to be much more expressive
I get what you mean.
I prefer the newer one
i kinda like the 1850’s one but if you want is easy then the 1830’s one
The original is Grand fantasie clochette.
Delicato e stupendo
1851 version is less complex so, more catchy
1838 resembles paganinis concerto a fair bit more ahaha
Well played. Which one is more difficult to play?
The first☠️
As someone who can almost play both without missing I find the older version much harder
@@ζσσηrecord it and upload in your TH-cam. We need prove and not just self claiming.
The S.420 is the hardest versión of all the five versions that liszt made.
@@YTSeiyaGoFire I think s 700ii slightly harder. S 420 require immense raw talent and some refined skill but s 700ii need more than raw talent which is greater refined skill.
i prefer the 1851 cause it is the best piece i have ever heard.
1838 and 1851 seems all good to me, though
Paganini introduces Liszt's variations to his son, from 21:41 to 21:51. Of course it’s the 1st version, 1838, as Paganini died 2 years later, in 1840. th-cam.com/video/gRL1rLNprRg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=64XBY2HweVZGmyIB
which one is more difficult?
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older version..... more harder
Original best
Original version is my favourite imo, the later one is too overplayed with most of them being terrible TH-camr interpretations.
What did Liszt say about the two versions? Why did he revise the original?
I've heard that that's because the older version was much harder to play and some people asked it to be simplified... But sounds silly if you think about it...
The 1838 is in C flat major?!