"Theological BULLSH*T!" Richard Dawkins Challenges Ayaan Hirsi Ali's New-Found Christianity
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"You are no more a Christian than I am" wrote the world's most famous atheist Richard Dawkins when he learnt his old friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali had converted to Christianity.
Ayaan, an apostate twice over, from Muslim to prominent New Atheist has come to Christ. She describes her journey to a packed room at the inaugural Dissident Dialogues festival of ideas in Brooklyn, New York.
Dawkin's grapples with her faith, challenges her beliefs in one of the most significant encounters of New Atheism and New Theism.
Physics vs metaphysics, rational vs spiritual, Is vs Ought. Surely the most important questions of the age.
Moderated by Freddie Sayers of Unherd. Filmed on May 4th, 2024.
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This lady is like a politician. The moderator asks a question and she talks for 10 minutes without answering the question. It's like asking Jordan Peterson a question....
Well she is a politician
What exactly do you MEAN? Define “asking”, define “Jordan”, define “Peterson, define “question”. Let’s get specific….
@@mbg4041 define specific, define get, define let's, define "define"
@@mbg4041 Bro Can't read
Thank you for saving my hour
Good that she found solace, but it has nothing to do with the truth.
It certainly is part of the pursuit of truth. I'm a fan of Dawkins and read many of his books and he knows little about theology and strawman's it incessantly. His understanding of human psychology is also very lacking. Dawkins is a great scientist, let him do his science, he has little of value to say in regards to sensemaking, values, and meaning of existence. He even admits he's a "Cultural Christian"- prefers to live in a Christian society - I'm sorry to say you can't have your cake and eat it too. What utter nonsense.
What is ludicrous, is the idea that all people are going to awaken into some sort of rational, reasoned, logical, enlightenment utopia where Truth is self evident, value systems are aligned, and the need for religion has disappeared. The chance of that has already been disproven by the progressives lately who are inventing new religions, based on faith, constantly at this point in the academy. It is almost as if we're religiously orientated faith based creatures who need something to worship...
If it has nothing to do with the truth, it is not good, and it is not solace.
It's illusion, and will not hold.
You've well represented what plagues her and why Dawkins can't answer it.
They ignore the existence of thinkers like Ayn Rand who have justified morality on a rational basis, i.e. who understand the relationship between what is true and what is good.
Until you can debunk the Flying Spaghetti Monster, don't talk about your god to me.
@@zarbinsI agree. Jonathan Haidt’s work makes this clear. Religion and morality co-evolved. It’s baked into our species.
What is the truth?
She basically became female jordan peterson.
So insanely practical ?
@@MultipleGrievance drunk on symbols
Wouldn't it be funny if it turns out that JP is really a disgruntled transgender person.
@@jozefglemp8011
Did she bring up symbols?
I don't remember her mentioning Symbolism.
@@MultipleGrievance She was extremely vague, but yea I'd say symbolism is what all her position boils down to. She definitely didn't admit that there was a human who literaly resurrected.
"I'm christian because it's marginally better against Islam than Atheism" A stunning argument, sure to convert millions.
Thank you! Your comment may be the excuse I need to become a christian (I will reflect deeply on it) because, if I say I accept the christian god, I won't really need to worry about any of the christian dogma, such as, god is the creator of the universe, god loves me, christ was a zombie, etc., Happy days! And if I do decide to start saying I'm a christian, I don't need to worry about the main worry in life, whether I will go to hell forever when I die, or similar, because the christian god won't care that my belief is strictly self-serving.
I am hugely insulted that as an atheist, she says I have no framework or organised body to instil me with a moral code. What nonsense.
Well, it's understandable that she would say that given her religious background, she's only returning to her roots. 🤷♂️
@@davidarbogast37 Yes, the brainwashing she received as a child was too strong for her
No acts of terrorism are ever carried out in name of atheism . (quote: R.Gervais).
@@freekpluimers
That isn’t entirely true; there were huge numbers of attacks carried out against the church and the clergy in the French Revolution, that were motivated not only by the consolidation of power within it, but expressly by the secularist sentiments of some revolutionaries. It was a consequence of the revolution, not a cause, of course; nevertheless, violent acts were committed against a large number of cathedrals, churches, and clergy, fomented by the Cult of Reason.
Well that’s an emotional argument. Fact is there is no basis whatsoever to ground your moral philosophy. It’s just cultural. Without objective morality, there is no grounding of what you take as right and wrong in reality. It’s just your opinion that rape is wrong, or murder, or theft, etc. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with anything unless you have something that makes such things objectively the case. And god is the only mechanism by which you can make that argument.
I wonder if she went through her personal crisis, while living in Thailand, if she would’ve found Buddha instead of Jesus.
Probably not, considering the position of women in many Asian countries. 🙂
As an asian i can confirm you are white and not bright... budha was born in india ..how many Indians are budhists today
@@gunnarganzer Thailand definitely doesn't denigrate women as much as many other Asian countries do. I am saying that as an Indian where women certainly are not in a great position in terms of personal liberty. the point i think OP was trying to make is that Christianity being Ali's epiphany of choice is a matter of coincidences.
How does Buddha address her existential crisis?
our really ain't smart if you can't work that out.
It blows my mind that somebody who was as close with Christopher Hitchens as she was could be making the most basic Christian apologist arguments that Christopher poked innumerous holes in his entire life
She's flailing for relevance.
@@evanfromportlandshe has encountered the Lord and savior Jesus Christ and she is experiencing the humble power of Christ. We are praying that one day you will also believe in Christ and the fullness of his love (which great men in the history of time have believed and lived). I put one reality before you even with your highly trained rational minds, GO AND RESEARCH on the Eucharist miracles of all ages. Many of the findings were also done by people who did not ab initio believe in God. Praying for dear.
The world without Christ is crisis.
it would make sense if she was using christianity to further some cause, like equality, but it seems she just lost her marbles. i have jordan peterson's marbles rolling around under my desk along with william lane craig's, now hers are there too i guess.
@@SawSaw-zd1cy lol, christ is the problem, it appears to have escaped you notice god is a dictator, he kills anyone who disagrees with him and he cries his eyes out when we burn in hell, even though he can change the rules and no one could complain. god has ruined literally BILLIONS of lives, persecution of gays, trans, rules about abortion and education, not to mention playing with your knob. god is a sickness that thankfully is dying.
She cracked during a personal crisis & grabbed onto something that made her feel better. She is clinging onto it like an emotional liferaft.
They are great sellers . Selling stories . She is selling story to be relevant .
She is selling that belief is also a therapy for depression.
@sl_lbscribe-drgouthamvidyam I'd rather go with what is true, not what just feels nice.
@@oisinm332 I'd actually rather go with what feels nice. Unfortunately, I have to open my eyes to walk around
@@ChannelMath Hard to have much fun with a broken toe.
@@oisinm332 Like a drug?
It's in moments like this I miss Christopher Hitchens.
Hitchslap will be so intense 😅.
Tell me about it. Hitchens would set things straight. It's like people have forgotten everything that was said 15 years ago when the four horsemen were riding strong. Now it's just people like Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan who occupy the minds of the online masses. Richard is very old, Sam is mired in his own things that do not touch the public like before, Daniel is dead, Ayaan has turned to the dark side, George Carlin and Hitchens are dead. His brother is a moron...Who is going to rise to the occasion? Alex O'Connor? He is great but does not have the capability to strike anyone down like Hitchens.
@@farahjama2332Damn, that would have ended with a bang 😂😂😂🥂.
Well, damn, we need some Nietzscheans in the crowd 🐦⬛🐦⬛🐦⬛.
He was great at rhetoric... not reasoning. He was great at persuading. Not a great thinker at all. He never even studied philosophy of religion where the rational arguments are considered and judged. Theism is the very ground of why the universe is even intelligible and why science is possible. It is the work of INTELLIGENCE.. BEING... God.
Ayaan gave up her intellectual integrity and succumbed to religion for an easier life. What a tragedy.
I think this comment is spot-on. I suspect the pressure of being a political and social figure has beaten her down and exhausted her as a person. She is tired of being intellectual and logical and, instead has surrendered to the sweet laziness of religion. She's now taken down the river by the current of faith, no longer exercising her mind. Surrender is what she sought. And what she's found. But at the cost of wisdom.
absolutely! She was irrelevant so she came up with an old grift out of desperation.
@@jacklondon999 sad fact: atheists don't make for successful political candidates. Maybe she's just lying to everyone, to further her career, lol!
@@jacklondon999if she was irrelevant why does an interview on her conversion have over 300k views.
Religion is DEAD when you follow God you have a intimate personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus and God, religion is like the pharasees where they said DO WHAT I SAY BUT NOT AS I DO! Jesus called them HYPOCRITES !
Imagine throwing off the nonsense doctrines of one religion only to submerge yourself in another
Imagine pretending not to have a religion only to worship things unconsciously
@@06rtm 😂
@@keithbertschin1213 Laugh now, cry later
@@06rtm go you
@@06rtm Worship things unconsicously? WTF does that even mean?
This is someone that has emotional and mental issues and was taken in by a therapist who pushed her in to a religion. This is not a debate, it’s a cry for help from an emotionally wounded person.
thats exactly what it is and its heartbreaking, i wish her the best and i hope she can realize what shes been lulled into. shes been through enough in her life
Therapist -- 'The -- rapist"
If it helps her, then what's the harm? Whatever works, right?
@@Nasafalkas1 no, not "whatever works". Not all coping mechanisms are healthy and while some coping strategies may be beneficial short term they can have ill affects in the long term
Where were you when she needed help?
I'm from Brazil, one of the most Christian countries in the world. Last week, right-wing Christian politicians proposed a terrifying law that basically punishes victims of r@p£ more than the criminals themselves. They proposed a law that would not only prohibit those victims to abort in case they get pregnant, including MINORS, but they could also face a 20 years prison sentence for aborting after getting r@p£d. Their reasoning was that abortion is a sin. They think it's more moral for children to give birth than for children to be children. Latin America, Italy, the USA, all those places are seeing what happens when religious fanatics get the spotlight. It doesn't matter if it's christianity or Islam, religion is harmful. Latin America is proof that Christian morality is not what the West needs.
They think killing babies is a sin and I see their point.
@@snowflakemelter1172 First of all, a fetus isn't a baby. Secondly, forcing a 12 years old to proceed with a pregnancy (a very high risk one), and become a mother before she's even a teenager is morally repulsive.
@@gabolifavmc what's the difference between a fetus and a baby ? the fetal stage of development is from nine weeks to birth so what science have you based it on ?
Hi I'm an Irish man living in the northeast of Brazil .
I was astounded and dismayed to hear about these new laws in Brazil.
But what can you expect with religion centuries of abuse torture mass killings. A machine all hypocrisy and illusion. Thousands of years before ford it had produced a conveyor belt, conveyor belts of lies and illusion.
What's I also take exception to are the traveling shows of atheists versus religious believers, a veritable fountain of money for the participants.
I just returned from a conversation with my sister-in-law's about religion and belief in God
They are both atheists but for them religion gave succours the poor and ignorant and thus how to place as a Panacea.
My contention is that is a complete waste of time having these debates as they have just become entertainment what purpose do they serve both sides in conflict with each other
To change a Christian's mind which is usually set in concrete would require the implanting of a thermonuclear device
Regards
Interesting. How did you slip the net, so to speak?
If she chooses to believe that Jesus was born to a virgin and that he rose from the dead, what's stopping her from believing that Muhammad's teachings were true and that he flew to the heavens on a buraq? That's where she fails the test in my opinion. She arbitrarily chooses one unrealistic story over the other because she likes it better, or because its implications are more comfortable to her, not because she knows it to be true.
Say Islam is correct, with all of its terrible stories, teachings and laws. Being terrible compared to other options wouldn't make it less true, and choosing Christianity over it wouldn't save you from hell for not praising Muhammad.
If a doctor tells you you have terminal cancer, saying "I choose to believe I don't because it makes me feel better and I know that I'll be happier without chemo ruining my hair" does not make your cancer disappear.
finally how did you come to the conclusion that she is going to hell. you choose to favour your own words and ignore hers which also proves how irrational you are.
@@TambeGilbert I said "say Islam is correct", meaning I consider the Muslim point of view, which says non-believers go to hell.
Because God is love. Nothing loving coming out of Islam.
Becoz New testament contradicts Qur'an
Therefore Christian will not believe in Isalm
If he believes in Christianity
Exactly. Very true articulation. Can a person claim to be Christian if s/he follows Christian god partially? Can a person claim to be Christian if s/he doesn't follow all the provisions of Bible? Similarly, about Islam and being Muslim. As per my understanding, NO. In developed world people have failed to educate their kids as to how humans, societies, cultures, history of Christianity, Islam, etc have evolved on the planet. And Atheists have failed to come up with a very mature template as to how should we live together, Hence, they have failed to tell people that you can live your life without any god.
She has become Christian, also believes in virgin birth. Perhaps, tomorrow she will also endorse evangelism as a way to fill that moral vaccum.
As an Ex-Muslim, it was clear to me from the beginning that Ayaan is a character who wants to be on top of the scenes. And to reach certain political points, she is similar to celebrities who like to be trending at all times and not be in the shadows.
I dont know why this comment is not trending .👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Bang you are spot on ..
You being an Ex muslim had no relevance to the rest of your comment, you're still obsessed with Islam, you may as well be a Muslim
Why did you leave islam ?
@@fishgiovaana8441 He's not really an ex muslim
man she was painful to listen too, so many logical fallacies and so much intellectual dishonesty. not to mention shear nonsense.
Thank you. I was thinking the same thing.
So what you have does it HEAL you of CANCER and SUICIDE and DEPRESSION? DO YOU HAVE JOY AND PEACE? CAN YOU FORGIVE AND EAT WITH YOUR ENEMY? DO YOU have KINDNESS, HUMILITY,SELF CONTROL AND PATIENCE? Is your HEART healed of inner hurts and deliver you from PAIN emotionally and physically? I have have 2 MIRACLES! EXPLAIN that? I have had ALSO other healings and I pray for people and JESUS has healed them INSTANTLY or within 3 DAYS ! Do you have FEAR and ANXIETY ? I DON'T ! JESUS CAN do THAT ! So to me, DAWKINS athiem has NOTHING to offer that is as good as CHRISTIANITY I have HOPE and I HAVE A PURPOSE in my LIFE and I KNOW where I am GOING when I die and its NOT INTO a BUG or whatever, my soul will go to heaven, not 6 FEET UNDER! DO you have ANGER, BITTERNESS and UNFORGIVENESS? jESUS CAN HEAL you of ALL of that stuff, do you LIE, AND DO YOU HAVE MORALS and can STOP TEMPTATION? JESUS can help you STOP AND HEAL people OF ADDICTIONS, does what you have do that? I DOUBT IT !
This poor lady is delusional and i feel so sorry for people that get caught in the arrogance of Christianity. Saying "something" instead of nothing does not equal JC. Saying you choose to believe something is not the same as believing a fact. She doesnt understand that what she says and what she says she feels do not magically become the truth.
Dawkins is so classy! The less he says the more she’s shown up to be just scared about the world and willing to accept a fairytale to help ease her anxiety!
Nailed it in one.
EMBRACING THE BEST LIE, DOESN'T MAKE you safe.
Meanwhile, as you indulge in the luxury and hedonism of your intellectual debate winning opiate obsession, the West falls to Islam with their insane birthrate of 8 kids per household. Ayaan cries as you lot can't even recognize the real problem any more. At least Dawkins can at least see that poblem and resonates with her on that, even if her prescription is distasteful. Something must be done and fast before it is too late and all is lost.
Meanwhile, as you indulge in the luxury and hedonism of intellectual debate winning opiate obsession, the West falls to Islam with their birthrate of 8 kids per household. Ayaan cries as many can't even recognize the real problem any more. At least Dawkins can at least see that poblem and resonates with her on that, even if her prescription is distasteful. Something must be done and fast before it is too late and all is lost.
absolutely nailed it. that's exactly what happened to her. some people just cannot handle that the truth is we are all alone. Where I am perfectly fine with it because I have the humility to understand I don't matter at all, so might aswell be pleasant and make the most of the short time we have.
Honestly, what struck me is her belief is so fragile. I don't mean that negatively. I mean that she really is clinging onto a life preserver coming from a very dark place. You could see Richard struggling to not puncture it while still trying to have a debate. Hope she finds a more durable sense of well being. Depression sucks, a lot. Whether you are a believer or an atheist. It doesn't discriminate.
Being humble and fragile is recommended when you try to reconnect with the Loving God. So yes, she is indeed clinging onto a life perserver, namely God himself ✝️
She , as a young Christian, needs our prayers
@@azu5259 The analogy breaks down very quickly. An invisible life perserver that you cannot touch will get you drowned right fast.
@@joannquaid6037 She, as a person suffering from depression, needs professional help, and our compassion.
Well said, I felt the same way. I hope her belief can strengthen her to the point where she can be strong enough to understand where she has been and to realise she was right in her atheist thinking, but for whatever reason suffered severe depression.
You can’t “choose” to believe. You’re either convinced or not. Saying “I choose to believe” means you know it’s not true, but you so desperately wish it was. This woman is coping hard.
It's called "belief" for a reason. It's called "faith" for a reason.
The irony of suggesting that a moral vacuum and crisis was created by people not adhering to a religion that condones, and provides detailed instructions for, slavery, preaches inherited sin, justifies infinite punishment, etc. is palpable.
💯
Richard is a gentleman. He does not want to hurt the lady
But she attacked him mercilessly from the beginning. Religions give them that narcissistic authority that they always crave. They can not live with nothing. They need something, and they are too closed-minded to grasp the idea of nothingness! They are materialistic; they need everything. It is such a tragedy that education and knowledge could not heal her!
It seems that Richard likes to use the word "bullshit" a lot, which is not really an argument.
@@norituk9824 because theres no other way of putting it. she was saying nonsense.
@@RS-zp6hb that's what grifters do. Spewing nonsens.
I think it's a hate crime in most jurisdictions these days to call someone stupid.
"Political Christian" That is exactly the right terminology.
To Ayaan, facts do not matter any more.
@@shendeeteng6763how so? That's quite the assertion! Have you noticed Matt Dillahunty admitted he must presuppose logic is subjectively trustworthy outside of the chemicals firing in his own brain? He simply accepts it as true with no evidence for a reason
@@chadg6874This has nothing to do with logic. This has everything to do with facts. The fact is I have never seen anyone turn water into wine instantaneously. Have you? If someone proclaims Elvis Presley turned water into wine, you would have thought that someone is lunatic. But when Jesus did it ( if he actually did it at all), it becomes a truth to you believer. How ludicrous? Again, it is about fact, not logic.
The correct term is Nominal Christian.
@@shendeeteng6763 you had me at the dismissal of logic
She says she chooses to believe, that’s not possible. We are either convinced something is true and therefore believe it, or we are not convinced and don’t believe it, it is not a choice.
💯 correct.
NO GOD GIVES US A CHOICE to CHOOSE him is what she is saying HE DOESN'T FORCE us to BELIEVE, we BELIEVE because of HIS LOVE for us
Why is atheism true?
@@PaulProof-l2iatheism is neither true or not true, atheism is a lack of a belief that a god exists, it means an atheist is not convinced that the claim”some god exists’is true
@@fazerianducati Can you define "lack of belief"?
“Do you believe your wife is faithful to you?”
- Man who knows or strongly suspects she is cheating:” I choose to believe she is. Plus, she is nicer than my previous wife”.
- Man who truly believes she is faithful:”YES”.
Easy to spot when someone is self aware of an inner intellectual conflict.
Such an underrated comment
some people close themselves to the world, face themselves in the mirror and say they are the smartest person on earth
That's kind of the whole point though as well. We people, like the wife in your example, cannot be 100% trusted to be faithful. God can. If good is a real concept and we can fathom it, God must encompass it perfectly. If it's all a lie, God is evil. You're applying a principle for the only One who is capable of creating life itself, morality, governing laws of matter and the universe, concepts, consciousness etc to a flawed human creatION where anyone with enough experience in life will admit is far from perfect
So what I'm saying it's not OUR LEVEL OF TRUST in God that makes God true, it's HIS FAITHFULNESS that makes Him true
Faith as small as a mustard seed can grow into a huge tree if it is placed in one who IS FAITHFUL... It's God's perfection that grows our tiny bit of faith into a huge tree
Throughout the whole interview I expected her to stand up, break out into a laugh and tell Dawkins “I am just f.ck.ng with you” hahaha😂😂. This is so utterly ridiculous.
The Christian grift is quite lucrative.
lol right?
Do you have to take one of your action figures off your nighty stand now? 🤣
Yes 😅
I’ve been an atheist for as long as I can remember. I’ve also had major struggles with depression and have been scarily close to rock bottom. I can sympathise somewhat with Ayaan, having found a way to pull herself out of a nihilistic state. As humans we seem to be pre-programmed to seek purpose and meaning for our lives. I can even see the appeal, in that organised religion can make this easier to help fulfill this very human desire.
But at the end of the day, like Richard, I care ultimately about what is true in this universe. I want my beliefs to be as close to objective truth I can construct them. I can’t make myself believe in a fiction in order to console myself. I’m just not wired that way.
Either the lady never understood what atheism means or she is an opportunist pretender presumably for self benefit.
Nothing pushes me into atheism, more that the Christian argument against it
Does ATHIESM HEAL you of CANCER and SUICIDE and DEPRESSION? DO YOU HAVE JOY AND PEACE? CAN YOU FORGIVE AND EAT WITH YOUR ENEMY? DOES ATHIESM GIVE YOU KINDNESS, HUMILITY AND SELF CONTROL AND PATIENCE? Does Athiesm heal your HEART of inner hurts and deliver you from PAIN emotionally and physically? I have have 2 MIRACLES! EXPLAIN that? I have had ALSO other healings and I pray for people and JESUS has healed them INSTANTLY or within 3 DAYS ! Does athiesm do that? NO NO NO! you HAVE NOTHING like that at all because you have NOTHING ! Does athiesm heal you of FEAR and ANXIETY and PROVIDE and PROTECT you? JESUS CAN do THAT ! So to me, DAWKINS athiem has NOTHING to offer that is as good as CHRISTIANITY!
Alutersim behavior is what our Christian military men and women offer.
She never really answered the questions.
Well, she said that she would like to agree to disagree. I think that was her agenda while Mr. Dawkins agenda was to tell her how much her new belief is irrational. But, Mr. Dawkins like to call himself a “cultural Christian” and tells her to “take it all of it” but, doesn’t do the same himself. So who’s b.s.-ing who? This whole talk could’ve been done over coffee not a conference. Imo…
Cos she has no clue . If you listen to her . No substance . No argument for truth
@@ladym7852 the difference is that being a cultural Christian means being influenced by Christian culture but not necessarily loyal to it, whereas being a Christian means committing yourself to the truth of the Christian narrative and to its moral correctness in its entirety. You can be influenced by Christianity while condemning the various slaughters of the old testament, the same can't be said of a Christian who believes they were ordained by the one just unchanging god.
Sounds narcissist to me....maybe at every level she has always been just that...a narcissist?
@@LoveforAaronBushnell I don't think that's what narcissism is, and I don't think she seems that way to me. I feel it's important to stay away from insulting and to humanise everyone regardless of their beliefs or what they preach. She had a moment of weakness and fell for a false belief because she felt it offered her solace.
As a Native American I could not be more opposed to Christianity which authorized conquest murder and theft of land based on religious affiliation. The doctrine of discovery was used in our Supreme court to deprive nonwhites of land. Christianity has been a horror show for my ancestors. The generational racial trauma from Christianity is utter moral depravity.
you got that right Sir
And would you believe, she's married a history professor? The ironies keep coming. Mental illness often prefigures religious conversion and sometimes vice versa
You have to understand that just because someone CALLS themselves a "christian: DOESNT mean that they are ! ANYONE who would STEAL land from Native Indians and treat them the way that they did was NOT what Jesus would have done, and so you have to LOOK at HOW a person ACTS and WHAT they say and DO the bible says YOU WILL KNOW them by their FRUITS so you have to TEST that fruit or ACTIONS to SEE if they truly FOLLOW the bible at all or WHAT THEY WANT TO FOLLOW! And I apologize for every white man that killed your people esp women and children ALL FOR GREED of your land and i am so SORRY what they had to go through, I am a follower of Jesus Christan and I have to say that they were NOT christian at all !
@@janinehenschel4988 complete lie
Very well said, I feel the same way as an African whose people were enslaved based Christian ideas.
I am shocked at the lack of critical thinking on the part of Ayaan as revealed here. The one unsurprising thing is that she changed her mind at a low point of her life, when she almost ended her life and needed another way to survive. Religions take advantage of the vulnerable.
Also her explanations are FULL of logical fallacies. To name just a few I caught, the argument from popularity, the argument from antiquity, the argument from emotion, shifting the burden of proof. Her muddled thinking is what is so surprising.
It is clear that she just wants to believe.
Such normalization of Christianity would have influenced her enough to be a believer. It is hard to be believe that she was not born indoctrinated to it or any other religion to begin with. It is hard to believe she was an atheist. What did she mean by atheist? That God doesn't exist? Nope, I'm an atheist and I don't need to say that.
That she never thought about it? Means nothing.
At least I had a headstart to reason my way out of being indoctrinated as a child. I was a believer maybe as old as 25 but now at 58 and not accepting of at least, religious explanations, to be most accurate.
Hirsi Ali apparently hasn't actually read the bible. She doesn't need to do a little bit of reading up, she needs to do a lot of reading up. It blows me away that she isn't' aware of her own lack of knowledge. And Dawkins seems to let her slide way to often in an attempt not to hurt her feelings. She just become another grifter like Jordan Peterson, Dinesh D'Souza and Candice Owens and Ben Shapiro and the rest of the authoritarian grifters out there.
In what way are those people authoritarians. You can probably make the case that they're anti-authoritarian, except maybe Owens.
@@wakkablockablaw6025 Aside from advocating very narrow worldviews where white christian heterosexual men belong on the top and everyone else belongs below them in social hierarchies, where literally demonizing the opposition (literally saying they're in league with satan and are forces of evil) and suggesting some extremely totalitarian policies? Nothing.
Dude she didn't read Quran, and you talking about Bible lol
Authoritarian? I don't really like these people, but calling them authoritarian seems like a false description. Many of them are pretty much speaking up against authoritarian state rules that are forced upon the public.
It's interesting how often the moderator asks Richard if he accepts statements Ayaan makes, but how infrequently he asks Ayaan if she accepts statements Richard makes about Christianity.
@davidholt7906
Just stumbled upon this video, heard the first few minutes of it, and having it on now and listening to the rest.
How interesting would you say it is listening to Dawkins bluntly saying the very central tenets of Christianity are BS??? He has no limits for what his tongue can formulate, and you're just concerned about "how infrequently the moderator asks the one and the other"??? Are you serious??? 🤔🤔🤔
That's because Dawkins views about Christianity are well known. He hasn't converted. Ayaan Hiris Ali has.
@@citizenghosttown his views being well-known doesn’t mean that Ayaan has to accept them, surely? It’s simply interesting when one person’s views are not held individually up to scrutiny, while another’s are. Especially when the one who isn’t scrutinized is allowed to make statements “as fact” and the other makes theirs as conjectures or statements of belief.
Put another way, there is not a scientific definition of the adjectives Richard uses to describe her beliefs. That’s fine, but it makes his statements ones of opinion. His position rests heavily on the supposition that she should care the same way he does exclusively about that which can be materially verified. And she clearly does not.
Bc the christian is essentially making the positive claim that god/Jesus is real
@@DaveGreen-ft2vy
Think it in this way:
What was the point of this public encounter?
Entertainment? Competition?
Who funded it?
Why was so important to have this woman profess her new faith conversion in public, first from Islam, then from Atheism, and finally to Christendom?
To say that Jesus/God is real, is not only a positive claim, it's the BASIS of being a Christian. She told herself she had not studied the faith enough to stand a confrontation with someone who tries to ridicule and destroy her faith.
What she converted to is only a testimony TO Christianity. What Dawkins thinks of it is not relevant at all, 'cuz he is NOT qualified to pass judgement on what is non-sense and what is not. Theology is NOT his field.
Biochemistry and scientific methods don't operate on the same level as Philosophy and Theology. They search to give answers to TWO completely different aspects of reality.
So what he should do is to stick to his own field instead of doing propaganda against Christianity and religions in general as he has done for decades now.
Who obstinately divulges a message AGAINST Jesus Christ, can per definition be defined as an ANTI-CHRIST.
And that's it! End of story. Period.
Christopher Eric Hitchens rise up! come again we need you!
I wonder what he would have had to say about her 'conversion'?
@@degano1 obviously Christopher Hitchens will not rise up from the dead. Only Jesus Christ did that and those that witnessed Jesus’ Resurrection became Martyrs because they were witnesses of Jesus Resurrection and Ascension.
no, we don't need some prick who build a life and career around self worship.
@sopad4629 he will not rise ,but I'm sure he is faced with the amazing truth of Christ. It's actually one of the most difficult belief to explain because faith is not so much of the mind but of spirit 🙏
@@sopad4629 But if I wrote a book about Hitchens rising from the dead, it would become true, right?
Conflating people's concern over what's happening in Palestine with a "moral vacuum" proves how misguided and idiotic she's become.
I can't take a minute more of her. She needs to go back to therapy. Stat!
As-Salamu Alaikum. Peace and blessings of God to all mankind, the children of our father Adam (as) and our mother Eve (as).
Dear brothers and sisters, I have a message for you. I would appreciate it if you read it.
If you are 20 people, and only 1 of them is on the right path while the other 19 are misguided, and they do not listen to that 1 person but rather get angry at him, that 1 person stays quiet. This will not make those 19 people right; they will still remain wrong.
Therefore, the truth is known to the one who listens and accepts the best of what they say, who protects himself from the evil in his heart, and who welcomes good things.
The majority of people in this world are misguided, chasing their desires and negligent of God. If you follow these misguided people, you will not harm God in any way; rather, you will end up hurting yourself.
The life of this world is just a blink of an eye, and the true home is the hereafter, where we have to live forever. Therefore, those who consider this world to be everything will make you heedless of the hereafter, and you will suffer a great loss. So, brothers, do not follow those who are heedless of their hereafter and are chasing their desires. These people will be ruined on the Day of Judgment, and they will also ruin your hereafter.
Brothers, save yourselves from the regret of that Day when a person will wish to return to the world just once more, to believe in God and perform good deeds.
But what can be done now when the bird has already eaten the crop?
I got 13 minutes in and stopped because there is nothing she’s giving except for feelings. Feelings can be manipulated every which way.
But...she's happy now. It's probably people like you why she feels atheism doesn't get anywhere positive.
@@wakkablockablaw6025 she didn't look happy to me. She looked fearful and confused. It takes something dreadful to occur before one would willingly slip back into schackles.
When you've seen the "other side", religion may very well be a place of comfort and refuge. Like moving back into your parents house, rather than accept the often harsh realities of life.
I never found her arguments very convincing, even when she was an atheist. Now she simply is not making sense.
Why?
truth be told, as an atheist you do not need to be convincing…lack of evidence is on your side, so the burden is on christians and they are failing for the past 2000 years
Its not her fault that your conception capabilities are so limited.
@@Softsoul. because it's all based on her feefees ( feelings ) , faith ( which is useless ) and stories that can't be proven , maybe ... ?
100%
She misses addressing the other great influence in her life: her vile conservative husband Niall Ferguson.
I think Richard Dawkins is one of the most brilliant and honest people Ive ever listend too. Great conversation. Thanks for sharing
The intro mentioned she's a politician, I can see that lol
"I chose to believe in Christianity". I think this statement concisely conveys what's going on in this desperate woman's mind.
The only desperate mind here is yourself...
@@Repent4JesusChrist She sounds phony and unauthentic!
@Repent4JesusChrist Spirituality is a conviction, it's not a choice. You don't choose to believe in Islam or Christianity, but rather, your conviction leads you to either. The religions are not ice cream flavors.
Well observed. She doesn't sure at all, but she's made this bed and now has to lie in it.
@@juadwhite1391 SHe did say she is new in the faith. Wh not just accept her as she is Christ does for everyone . "come as you are" Matthew 11:28
Signing off half way through. Why is this lady considered worth listening to?
Who asked you to come and listen to her. Aren't you a waste on your own. You don't want but others want . Period
Because she's a woman of colour. That's it.
It's a mystery to me as well. What on earth is her reputation based on?? I'm Dutch so I've known her for a long time. She seems to always have friends in high places.. Intellectually she's bogus..
She rose to prominence during the mid east war. A tool who was given media coverage across the west to justify the mid east invasions. That's how and why you know her.
@@DanielJansen01she is a serial trend chaser. She fell into obscurity and the biggest move for her was becoming a Christian. She is utterly vapid.
So she's saying that she choses to believe in the supernatural aspects of Christianity, that Christian art often moves people emotionally and that we should allow for the possibility that things not measured by science may exist.
Now tell me how is that any different than choosing to believe magic is real after reading Harry Potter books.
Richard is one of maybe 4 people alive today I look up to. I wish to meet him in September on his book tour, either Texas or Massasschuttes.
watch this video again. I've never seen him so shaky, unfocused, disoriented, out of point, and confused as this. He starts a sentence and cannot cognitively finish it. Are you going to follow him until he changes his mind like Ayaan, or you'll search for truth as an individual and find clarity through your personal experiences?
@@bankol397 It's funny how all counter arguments on Richard are his appearance or he's 'confusing'. He speaks nothing but pure rationality. It's like disagreeing with the truth, it's not possible. So you attack other things.
I stopped being impressed by him, when he didn't dare to criticize Islam in public. (He actually chickened out on TV here in Europe).
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has more balls than him.
@@gunnarganzer - I have seen him do it a hundred times. He has more guts than you can ever hope for.
@@lovetownsend " He speaks nothing but pure rationality. "
You should find role models among real academics who specialize in the subjects you're interested in. I agree with Dawkins about God and Christianity (not believing in either, and that they're "theological bs"), but his reasoning often displays a gross ignorance of subjects outside biology. He routinely conflates the theologies of different denominations of Christianity, he makes naive arguments about science and religion, and he's historically illiterate to a degree where pretty much anything he says about history should be received with extreme skepticism. So much for 'pure rationality' -rationalists check their facts first before launching into rhetorical tirades.
Religious flipflop...people don't choose to believe!....you are either convinced of the preposition or you are not!.
I personally think she's trying to belong, for some political points.
"you are either convinced of the preposition or you are not!"
This is true, but it's misleading.
You're neglecting all of the ways in which bias can lead to someone becoming convinced of a proposition - or even in convincing themselves of a proposition - which counters the conclusion you're trying to use that idea to support.
To what end, for what gain would she try score political points?
@@panstulaa She's a politician you numpty.
@@kayvee256 he means, "You don't consciously choose to be convinced of a proposition." You can lie, act, pretend, and be in denial (lying to yourself to some degree)...but you don't merely "choose" to be consciously convinced of some major proposition.
@@60secondskeptic First: If people don't mean what they say, then they should take better care to say what they mean.
Second: You haven't understood me. People do "choose" (the scare quotes are neccesary as this is a peculiarly broad usage of the word "choose") to be consciously convinced of major propositions all the time. Nobody who follows the same belief formation process we do can do this. _But there are a lot of people who do not follow that process_ and who even view the idea of having a _process_ at all as weird, suspicious, inauthentic, and even inhuman.
For example, there's a lot of evidence that a significant chunk of people don't choose their beliefs about which political party to support based on how well those party's policies align with their own values. Instead, most people choose their beliefs about which policies to support and even about what values to hold in the first place based on what their political party stands for.
Or to put it in religious terms: Devout catholics don't believe in Catholicism because they start out thinking birth control is bad. Rather, they develop the belief that birth control is bad because they think of themselves as devout catholics. If a child of a devoutly cathloic family chooses to convert to a different religion for some reason (marriage being a big one) then that child will typically adopt whatever beliefs about the morality of contraception their new religion tells them is correct.
For a lot of people identity and in-group signalling is the basis for their beliefs, and which group to belong to is the choice.
She is finding her niche. She is doing exactly what JP did which is to appeal to a large group of fanatic christians especially in USA who will buy her books and promote her. Its all money for her.
She’s a very intelligent and thoughtful person and I don’t believe she’s doing this for any reason except that she believes this with all her heart.
Like dawkins you mean?
That’s ridiculous and only something a pessimistic cynic would say.
The love of money is the root of all evil. For a person who went through so much, loving money is certainly not wise. I believe Ayaan Hirsi Ali is wiser than to love money.
While there are fanatics even in Christianity, the greatest fanatics are those who knows the end of the road is death and yet continue in that path, making no effort to understand the path or to understand the options of other paths.
Life is uncertain, the only certainty is everyone will face death ultimately. There is a path of life, but many paths to death!
Psalm 16:11 KJV
[11] Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
🎯
What is wrong with her? She's completely gone back on rational thought for the sake of her emotional suffering.
Also known as “finding God”. Why do you think so many ex-alcoholics/ex-drug addicts “find God” after hitting rock bottom, then proceed to become the most obnoxious people in society about it.
It seems that, for her, religion, is a clutch that makes her feel better. But does she really believe that Jesus is the son of God? I doubt it.
She does. She accepts Jesus is the son of God in exactly the same way you accept the lyrics of any song you love. I bet you even sing/repeat the words out loud.
You suspend judgment - you ignore intellectual considerations - and immerse yourself and you enjoy the deeply personal and meaningful experience - the story told.
And the question of whether you "really believe the music to be true" is like... what? This is not that kind of activity! Put down your questonaire and loosen that tie a bit.
@@tgenov "Jesus is the son of God in exactly the same way you accept the lyrics of any song you love"
That's like saying, "You love the Beatles in the exact same way my cousin literally believes in re-incarnation."
How is enjoying poetic lyrics the same thing as being convinced that 2000 years ago a guy named Jesus was literally the son of god and resurrected from the dead?
imagine being so thick that feeling happy and good about life is bad!! PMSL
@@60secondskeptic Hi, what I got from the conversation, is that she did not want to go there; debates about God, Christ's resurrection and so on have been held for centuries (even Dawkins has been in several) and many questions have come out unsatisfactorily answered and the setting and flow of the conversation would be less than ideal for such debates.
@@muturimuigai7604 then why talk at all? For years we've ALREADY known her obvious stance on Islam. Nothing new. Around 22:40 she mentions "my experiences" about what brought her to Christianity. Cool...that could have been discussed and put under the microscope. The whole, "I need to fill an emotional void with a different religion but don't ask me to justify the claims in that religion." is a conversation I can have with any person at a bus stop on Sunday morning.
She keeps using the word "wisdom" to refer to the notion that there's a magic man in the sky who sent his son down to walk on water! I'm staggered!
But she didn't say there's a magic man in the sky. It's Dawkins atheist propaganda preaching running through you. Putting pre suppositions onto what someone is saying. A straw man argument over someone's story attempting to listen to it like it's a scientific paper. Her words are far wiser than Dawkins here. He seems painfully shallow.
@@philwalkercounsellingThat’s not what the OP wrote. She is referring to the “notion” of a magic man in the sky which is very much part of Christianity.
@@philwalkercounselling Choosing to believe in a 'magic man in the sky' when there is NO evidence to support that notion *IS* the religious stance and has nothing to do with Dawkins!
@@r.i.p.volodyathere is plenty of evidence for God’s existence
@@untoldhistory2800 Really?! Unambiguous, verifiable, falsifiable evidence?! Please tell! If you can PROVE the existence of god it would the biggest achievement in the history of man! You'd be world famous! There wouldn't be enough Nobel Prizes in the world to give to you! OR.............do you mean........"I got a warm feeling when I walked past the church" type of "evidence"?!
There are those who apply the exact same reasoning Ayaan expressed here to Islam. You can interpret passages in the Qu'ran to profess love and kindness, and ignore all the nasty parts, just like one can do with the Bible.
I am not even a cultural Christian because of passages like this:
Samuel 15:3: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass"
Absolutely
So wait, the Bible does advocate slaying ass?
Yeah, but he became a nicer god after he had a son. Lots of people become nicer when they have kids.
@BenjWarrant And some are bad parents. I’d say any parent whose kid invents the concept of hell, and goes around preaching that anyone who doesn’t listen to him will burn for eternity leaves some parenting skills wanting.
The belief that these texts were always interpreted literally to the letter, either historically or by different denominations today, is utterly without basis and a rather naive rationale for rejecting 'cultural Christianity'. With the exception of American fundamentalists, Old Testament passages like Sam 15 were historically read as a record of a developing relationship between a God and a fundamentally flawed, warlike people in dangerous times. They do not 'advocate genocide' -which is a modern legal term that did not apply to ancient times, when this type of warfare was common. To act like the Bible is uniquely horrific among other texts of its age, combined with all this pearl-clutching and moral outrage, is something you seem to have adopted from Dawkins, who's similarly historically illiterate.
Cultural Christianity just means you enjoy the music, art and history associated with Christianity. I mean, I'm an atheist who enjoys Jesus Christ Superstar and some hymns and art (eg Sistine Chapel), but it never dawned on me to think twice about this on account of some foolish, Dawkins-inspired interpretation of the Old Testament.
She is a success author? She can't even finish one sentence successfully
I think everything Ayaan is saying here is nonsense, but being a speaker and being a writer are two very different skill sets. Writing gives you significant time to think through what you have to say while being a speaker requires you to think essentially on the fly unless you can somehow memorize your part of an entire conversation, which usually ends up sounding like you’re reading from a script anyway.
My biggest problem with her conversation is that it seems performative. Dawkins seems to think the same.
It's absolutely performative, and my opinion of her has fallen through about fifteen floors after listening to this. She said nothing of substance, only deflecting and talking about her personal experience (which is seemingly not as clear cut as she makes out) and very general talking points taken from conversations we've heard many times before. I think it reflects very badly on her and the people around her to be honest.
@@HarryBuxley Nothing wrong with her speaking out of her personal experience, it's okay to share the story that led to her change of mind. Richard himself spoke out of his own opinion and nothing wrong with that, and to think she said nothing of substance is your own opinion. In my own opinion, she said so much that got Richard thinking. Ayaan has a broader perspective having been a Muslim, Atheist and now a Christian, she has more experiential knowledge and her journey has been transformative.
@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd What is experiential knowledge? It would take me 10 seconds of living with Christians to feel "yuck" and living with Muslims about 5 seconds to go "super yuck".
@@bfarzady5212 Experiential knowledge are personal experiences which can be used as a source of knowledge for personal and professional development. The single statement from Richard refer to religious ideology, not the whole discuss from Ayaan. He Isn't all knowing, and a wise man is open to learning.
You can’t talk about the content of a potential energy if you don’t walk backwards from its performative outcome.
You can clearly see that the woman is paid to talk in this way. She is deliberately not looking at the whole picture. Compare radical Islam with Christianity. Why not compare radical Islam with radical Christianity. Also, she deliberately forgets to mention that Palestinians have been suffering torture for 75 years, but singles out the extremist groups that emerge from such an atmosphere. As an atheist, I am very sorry that this woman sold herself in such a poor way and canceled her scientific logical position.
You touch my soul and reason in your statement. I will add this to your knowledge, that Those you said radical muslims are not represent islam like ISIS and Alqaida. Those are not muslims according to Quran. There is no such a thing called radical islam. Those are out of islam.
I wish Ayaan all the best in her life but good grief, that was embarrassing to watch. I don't think self delusion is a long term answer to her problems. She knows just as well as Richard knows that what shes saying is nonsense
It seems Ayan Hirsi s new found faith is motivated more by her hatred towards Islam than any logical or scientific rationale.
Her arguments doesn't give any insights and seems shallow and not something that has been given long serious and critical thought.
She became a politician in Holland (the Netherlands). She later resigned after being investigated for lying on her asylum claim. She denied lying but later admitted to it. Her citizenship was either revoked or was going to be but since she had friends in parliament, there was a lot of stalling and I'm not sure if they ever took away her citizenship later. She eventually left Holland and relocated to the US. I guess if you have friends in high places, consequences to breaking the law is not as straightforward. Ironically, Hirsi Ali goes after and attacks asylum seekers.
U dutch bo? GEKOLONISEERD
''attacks asylum seekers'' - lies.
@@azu5259just do an internet search
The European debate on immigration, integration and Islam has intensified. In part this is a response to terrorist attacks, the preaching of radical Islam, and the re-emergence of extreme right-wing and populist parties. But the big, underlying change has been the influx of migrants from the Middle East, Africa and South Asia.
The Dutch cabinet fell over the case of Mrs. Hirshi Ali in 2006. She was wrongly accused (by the Minister of Justice) of having provided incorrect information. The (then) Minister of Justice (Mrs. Rita Verdonk) had to resign as a result. The remark that she would pursue or attack asylum seekers is a lie. You should inform yourself better before posting such a comment. 23 June 2024.
She's loathsome.
I'm legit sorry for the tormental depression she described in the beginning, and I'm happy she found something that improved her life.
Yes, it doesn't even have to be true.
she hates your race
What evidence have you seen which tells you Ali's life has 'improved' since becoming a Christian? Any? I have seen none - just a claim by Ali herself..
37:43 - just because something isn’t true today doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. Thanks to scientific endeavor we could achieve things once thought to be impossible.
Only two hundred years ago, powered flight, space travel, television, the internet etc, not to mention finding cures to once incurable diseases would have seemed a fantasy, now they are fact.
So long as we have our highly evolved brains, practically anything is possible, it just takes imagination, know how and a little bit of patience.
@@felixmidas2020what about Christianity is not true?
He should have asked her if she believes he's going to Hell for eternity and how that makes her feel.
thats good thing
Easy answer, “sad, very sad”.
Knowing that someone is headed to hell, makes us Christians sad. This is WHY we evangelize.
God will respect the free choices we ALL will make. Heaven is where one can be with GOD. Hell is where one can be without GOD. If you want to be with GOD, you will choose to accept GOD'S gift of Salvation through Christ. If you want to be without GOD, you will reject GOD'S gift and go where you will be without GOD. It is that simple. GOD will NOT force those who want to be without HIM to be with HIM.
Mr. Dawkins and ALL who are still breathing can choose to be with GOD, or NOT...
@@simpleenglish1 What is the logic behind god creating something that does not want to be with him eternally? (Also, what is so hellish about just not being around God and Christians all the time? Sounds fine to me (my family and most friends are not Christian anyways).
@@ddawg3230 HELL is what is "hellish" when one chooses not to be with GOD. If that's "fine" with you then you've got nothing to worry about, right? As I said, GOD will NOT force you against your will, HE will honor your choice to be apart from him for eternity, IF you choose to. No Christian can force you into Heaven or Hell...we can only present you with the facts that these are the options. IF we are wrong, you've got nothing to worry about.
All Ayan basically said was “i wanted it to be true, so it is”
That is DANGEROUSLY naive
Look all I can say is the West is failing after the sexual revolution. We have left God & we are paying for it
Well it’s not exactly that. It’s that we decide to live and follow a particular faith or way of life and see if we can find truth in it. In other words, faith is an act of moving in a particular direction first. Christians who walk the walk and aim to live like Jesus lived His life will find God (or the Universe if you prefer from your perspective) embraces one’s heart and changes us in significant ways. And if we are truly changed, others around us as well.
Also, truth isn’t only about materialism, facts and science. There are truths that go far beyond what our eyes can see.
That is obviously what you want to believe and it is dangerously false.
Yeah sure produce a strawmen of her position, makes it easier to discount. That way you dont need to engage with difficult conversations.
When God is true outside of your perception of Him, and He comes in to your perception to show you what you need to see, you will explain it to others in a way where it can be discounted as personal testimony and not evidence. Yet, for that believer, it's the strongest evidence they will ever get. If God is real, and is truly a relational being, you'd have to admit this as a fact of reality. God is more likely to be relational from a philosophical standpoint based on the EVIDENCE that we exist and seek relation in our own lives, knowing that we are incapable of creating the guiding principles of life ourselves, creating matter and life, etc. and yet we can easily perceive their objective existence by simply observing the world. For these reasons, it is more likely a creator is relational.
For Aayan it appears to be an argument from personal vulnerability and fear for the human race than a true belief in miraculous events.
She’s stated she has true belief that there is “something” rather than nothing, and that she chooses to accept in the story of Jesus Christ. Choosing to believe is true belief.
Christianity wasn't fundamentally about a belief in miraculous events to begin with. Not our problem the New Athiest made it so and one finds out is isn't the case and the rest must go on this online recovery tour to cope with it.
research the idea of psychological exaptations as related to religion and God. It is a centrally important psychological adaptation which involves the use of metaphorical thinking to use existing and evolved archetypes (biological) and apply them in different ways to understand the world using these existing ways of encountering the world. This helped human societies grow to a level that is outside of the bounds of our evolutionary community size of about 125 people.
And fear of the human race
@@brambes7110you simply cannot be a christian if you do not believe in the nonsensical events like the flood which directly contradicts scientific fact about the earths sediment
Finally this historic conversation gets posted! Thank you!
Anything to distract people away from the fact that evolution is an unprovable pseudoscience!
Prove abiogenesis, how you get life from dead innert chemical elements, minerals and organic compounds, it's impossible, they are dead, we cannot explain what life is or where it comes from.
Dawkins should spend his time trying to understand how a simple cell can create a complex code such as DNA, or build protein machines, or learn the irreducibly complex Krebs cycle etc etc.
Dawkins is a basic biologist with an overactive imagination.
You do know Denisovans is a lie! Go stare at all the images and ask yourself how they came up with them, when the only remains they have are a few teeth and finger bones!
She is jibbering and mumbling. Couldn't offer any meaningful explaination to her claims. I think she was propped up and described as an intellect purely for her use as hatred towards Islam. Her flip flop only exposes her irrationality and one can only conclude she has other motives.
Hearing her speak in the past, she is so eloquent, witty, funny, and intelligent.
Hearing her here just babbling is just heartbreaking. It's like she is an entirely different person than the woman I respected and was moved to tears in her books.
Saying "I choose to believe" instead of saying "I believe" is an endorsement of atheism
It's a more honest statement. Believers usually believe what they do because of how that belief makes them feel, or because it does something for them. It's rare that they believe it because they think that it's likely to be true or supported by evidence. In fact, they make a virtue of believing without evidence and call it "faith."
How so?
@@CrazyHorseInvincible The overwhelming majority of religious people genuinely believe that their faith is based on evidence. The idea that faith means believing without evidence is one that only seems to be held by certain types of atheist. It certainly isn't what the Hebrew and Greek words that are translated as "faith" in English Bibles mean.
@@stephengray1344 Please explain to me why faith would even be necessary if you have evidence.
Congratulations “you’re right”! But then offer nothing in return. If you have nothing guiding your actions you become vulnerable to ideologies which are more harmful than religion. At the moment people are worshipping their hedonism instead, which has just skyrocketed the rates of addiction, poor mental health and narcissism.
Yeah believing in 72 virgins and home besides prophet in paradise is also very comforting to many but doesn’t make it true for the very reason.
Any one that thinks Muhammad is comforting is de ranged or wi cked. thanks
It only adds to the Christian understanding of reality. Christians should be able to admit they themselves are prone to deception. Sin disguises itself as comfort, as relief, as a way to heal from trauma. But does that mean comfort, relief, and a way to trauma are not real?
She's not saying God is real because she felt comfortable.. she's saying God showed her she can trust in Him. Her perception of truth is more closely aligned to what is true regardless of her existence or perception of it. It's not her perception that MAKES it true, it's her perception that God who is OBJECTIVELY true, uses for HER BENEFIT to show her what is true. Just because she perceives the comfort doesn't mean her comfort is the only reason she accepted it
Not the point. Sex in heaven and drinking wine in heaven, and whatever else Mohammed promised have one glaring issue: they are things that entice people to follow Mohammed by exploiting their carnal ambitions. What Jesus promises is eternal bliss, the presence of God, total clarity, total surrender, not indulgence. It leads people to strive towards such an attitude on earth as well. I wouldn't even go so far as to say that the promise of sex in heaven is "comforting". It isn't. It makes monsters of men. So many muslims rape European blonde women because they look like the houris that are promised to them in heaven. It's messed up
Come on she is Christian now Dawkins is cultural Christian, wow. What a mockery of everything now they sound more like only anti Islam, is this a joke? Where are their logic that he kept preaching , and her logic to be pro Palestine to be pro Hamas. Jokers
I just heard someone refer to the Bible as "The Goat Herder's Guide to the Galaxy" and I will now forever be using this term.
I admire Richard's patience.
He’s a moron
Yes, and no. Ayaan is clearly indoctrinated by the right wing christians in the USA. He should fight her nonsense at every turn.
I highly doubt that if she would have stayed here in the Netherlands this insanity would have happened.
Plus curious how Theo would have felt about all of this.
In the first minute she reveals all. "I had an intense personal crisis". That's how it is for many who convert, they find "god" after a crisis. Totally irrational.
I didn't become a Catholic because I had a crisis or hit rock bottom. I was also a hard core atheist. I don't have friends who influenced me either. It just happened. Trust me, I had no hand in it. This is why it's pointless arguing about faith because it doesn't happen as a result of information exchange or learning or persuasion. It's from God and can happen to anyone any time.
@@Shaara1 This is problematic. Some motive should exist though. Is it legit ??
@@attisattis3057
What could be more legit than unmotivated faith?
I feel better knowing that no circumstances forced me into religion. I'm not a Catholic because I run out of any other option or reason.
( are you Hungarian by any chance?:)
You rarely find anyone says they found the testimony about belief system in the highest point of their lives. 😂
@@Shaara1 Unmotivated faith is contradictory, so someone should dig a little bit and find something beneath.. Yes, i'm hungarian .
She traded her banana for a cookie , but when she opened the bag-
there were only crumb's.
She kind of gave the game away by saying she chooses to believe. That's just another way of saying she doesn't believe it, but just declares she does and then chooses not to think about it any further.
“Choosing to believe” is called faith. Thats the basic premise of every religion. Thats not giving away the game.
If that's true, then no religious person actually believes what they say they do. Normally, you don't choose your beliefs. You are either convinced or you're not, without choice coming into it. I can try to believe that Joe Biden is not the president of the United States, but I'm not going to succeed. The evidence is just too overwhelming for me not to be convinced.
Of course, most true believers don't operate like that. They are absolutely convinced of their religion. They never had to make the conscious choice, since to them it's just tangible reality, often from when they were children.
@@acrane1100If that's true, then no religious person actually believes what they say they do. Normally, you don't choose your beliefs. You are either convinced or you're not, without choice coming into it. I can try to believe that Joe Biden is not the president of the United States, but I'm not going to succeed. The evidence is just too overwhelming for me not to be convinced.
Of course, most true believers don't operate like that. They are absolutely convinced of their religion. They never had to make the conscious choice, since to them it's just tangible reality.
You choose to believe jesus...
Nobody chooses their beliefs.
Suffering and desperation doesn't make it any more believable.
Agreed. This is delusional.
Those who have never hit bottom exist in their own bubble of delusion. An entire world exists around of which you have no experience nor comprehension of. Have you ever had notning? What do you still have if you have nothing?
@@bbainter7880 Well in that case, you've made the greatest scientific discovery of all time. Why didn't you say so sooner? All you had to tell me is that because you hit rock bottom, you've made the greatest scientific discovery of all time. You really should have mentioned that earlier.
No, but it does disarm pride and arrogance and provide fertile soil for new points of view.
Actually it does. Suffering and desperation is probably the most common human experience.
The fact that God is able to uplift someone out of suffering and desperation? That is a miracle. Of which we can all appreciate and hope for
32'10" "Why should atheism mock Christianity/religion"
In and of itself it does not. Some atheists do, most don't. Most simply don't believe in the existence of a deity, and are left cold by what others choose to.
Most atheists do whether it’s privately or publicly.
@@alHuwariyunMuslim and you have that statistic from where (source)?
@@wernerstapela4616 experience you just watched Richard Dawkins mock religion and recover applause perhaps you are hearing impaired but there were multiple applause and laughter throughout Dawkins’ mockery.
“Atheism” does not need to mock Christianity, but the precepts of Christianity are fundamentally ridiculous.
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx As a Christian, I agree - even our God said our faith is foolishness to those that are perishing
What a selfless man to waste his time in this debate to talk to another looney.
“I choose to believe”
You cannot choose to believe. You can choose to investigate certain things, but you cannot simply decide to hold a sincere belief. This phrasing suggests to me that she does not actually believe, but she is trying to convince herself to.
Her (justifiable) hatred of Islam is what has always driven her. Previously, she thought atheism was the best way to defeat Islam. Now she thinks it’s Christianity.
Or maybe she actually believes. To say "choose" is maybe a unfortunate way of saying it, but not more unfortunate than that of an atheist saying he chooses to be an atheist: because let's face it: atheism ist non-rational - it is impossible to prove that God does not exist. A much more rational option than atheism is agnosticism...
Exactly 👍
Once you choose, you do believe
Isn’t hope (one of the cornerstones of Christianity) the same thing as trying to convince yourself of something.
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Could you choose to believe in leprechauns right now? I don’t think you could.
Kind of disappointing. I was hoping someone like Ayaan would have some interesting insights into religion and it's truth claims and what it means to her as a former new atheist, she seems genuinely flustered in the face of any pushback, regardless of how gentle. She just reverts to "i choose to believe" without even trying to reconcile this with her previous reservations. She kept trying clumsily to change subject to the dangers of radical Islam, strange performance
I agree. Although I "choose to believe" is not a bad argument. We humans do know that we do not hold the complete truth, so it's completely rational to believe in something that cannot be rationaly argued. There is truth that is outside our capabilities to know or understand, that we can only "feel" intuitively and not able to explain or prove. If this "leap of faith" is good enough for the great Kierkegaard, it's good enough for Ayaan.
A much better debater to Dawkings would be historian Tom Holland. He explains very well how our moral compass based on human rights stands on christian assumptions. There is no ideas of equality and freeing of oppressed without the teaching of Christ and complicated theology.
So why don't you study philosophy of Religion. The rational foundations of theism. Why Hume was silly. Why Kantians can't. Mindless matter in meaningless motion is not an intellectual foundation. Its what not even stupid means.
Money money money!
I agree that it was disappointing given her background. It sounded like the same testimony I've heard a hundred times before. But just because a thing isn't true in the empirical sense, does that mean it isn't right? I find the whole of this fascinating.
What's wrong with team Buddhism? A better option than Christianity or Islam.. Or if you must have a religion, sit down and design one that makes sense from scratch
It's objectively false if Christianity is true, that's what's wrong with it.
Team Buddhism does not really offer redememption and hope the way that belief in Jesus death and resurrection does.
@@transformationinternationa6164 what a load of BS, try telling that to the millions of Buddhists. There's redemption and hope in finding peace with yourself. How many christian apologists are there here?
@@SeanusAurelius or... Christianity is objectively false if Buddhism is true, that's what's wrong with it.
@@transformationinternationa6164 redemption and hope are Christian ideals. This is an apples and oranges comparison you are making. Buddhism is about attaining enlightenment. It is a contemplative tradition, not a faith based tradition.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali says people attending pro Palestinian rallies are adopting the religious frameworks offered by Islamists. I have been attending such rallies for the last 9 months. All we are asking for is to stop the genocide of the Palestinian people and for Palestinians to be treated equally. She should have been rebutted by either Richard or the moderator.
That goes against her narrative though. She’s a politician after all. The most important thing is the narrative
And she said muslims forcing others to islam. It's forbidden in Quran. She is know nothig in islam. I jut feel sad for christianity to accept someone like this Harryboter.
Refrain from attending any more - defending one of the most barbaric cultures on earth… this does not mean celebrating suffering as we should strive to avoid that.
@@Itzreallyparker Not defending human lives of Palestinians would be most barbaric.
She didn’t do very well. He called out her broken theology and you can tell she’s making it up on the spot with the stutters.
She is a baby Christian and her struggles to answer Dawkins makes her testimony and transformation even more genuine.
@@henryoise185 she’s going to have to eventually come to the real gospel and not just her made up interpretation. Calvinist theology doesn’t work.
@@BramptonAnglicanWhy are you picking her apart, I challenge you to do better. She's clearly a follower of Jesus and has life through Christ, that's what I'm focusing on. She always has a stutter when she speaks, you should listen to her other interviews. I think she did a great job, and her challenge to Dawkins ofhumanism can fill the moral void was so poignant.
@@zoesolanki961 I’m simply stating facts. Calvinist theology doesn’t work. I’m a newbie myself. I learned by watching videos reading on the early church fathers. Stop following Peterson theology.
@@BramptonAnglican I don't really care how long you've been Christian to be honest. I've seen newbies come to faith and have the wisdom of ages, and vice versa. I think your assessment of her is wrong, but fine if you disagree.
Do you actually believe Jesus was the son of the Christian God and that the one true God is the Christian God? Answer: a ramble about poetry and morality.
Hey, I agree, it was hard to follow, but the question for you is whether you have read one of the Gospels for yourself - don't just rely on what other people say.
The authors want you to ask the question 'who is this man?' and Jesus speaks for himself.
His own disciples struggled with the idea of him being God because it didn't fit with what they thought God should be but when they saw him die and rise from the dead they were convinced to the core and were willing to die themselves in support of it.
Of course, not everyone came to that opinion (particularly those in power who wanted him killed) but for those who choose to believe, it is a message that will change your life.
This is where the argument gets a little circular because if you don't think you need to change your life, you won't want to believe, but that is the truth of it and the ultimate difference between those who believe and those who don't.
The answer is a resounding yes. Jesus' first followers, Matthew, Luke, John, and Paul (plus many more) were intellectuals who lived at a time where the average person was way more well-versed in deeper philosophical and theological concepts than the modern intellectual is today. St. Paul, for example, was a highly respected pharisee, Roman officer (something almost impossible to a achieve for a devout Jew), tent maker, speaker of several languages, and a successful persecutor/murderer of Christians. Please don't tell me that he chose to risk his life and reputation, and eventually agreed to be executed, because Who he saw was a one-time hallucination. The ancients were often way more sane than we are these days, especially since they were also physically grounded in tradition, community, work, and the created natural world.
The deeper I read and explore the miracles, stories, and incredible historical validity of Christianity, the more shallow and boring people like Dawkins become.
Read the book, write down anything you question & keep reading, bcuz it's often addressed & explained later. The prophecies fulfilled long after foretold, new archeological findings, what was happening in History at the time...
God encouraged man to study Science & expressed the importance of dates & timelines. The Churches heavily funded Science, bcuz it's the study of God's Creations & will lead you to Christ.
Hi, if you objectively follow the conversation, you will see that that was not her main objective here. Debates on God and Christ have been done for centuries if not millennia, and she herself and Dawkins have made for a long time. Instead what I think she made a strong case for is the eroding "better" culture in the west under and replaced by other "non good " factors, and this is what deeply concerns her.
@@muturimuigai7604 She can have another objective and still give an honest and straight answer to the question. She had time to answer and then talk about other things.
TLDR: Mental illness leads woman to Christianity.
I’m sure Dawkins has more to say, and I’m going to watch the whole exchange, but that is literally what Ayan opened with.
@@user-uz2vc1gc6vOr you could can it😂 she seems well and clearly doing much better than you
Mental illness leads women to leave Islam!
Faith is the refuge of the intellect that got tired.
She is talking nonsense. What a loss.
This is you actually in a nutshell
Absolutely. Summary: " I was depressed, and kids these days are lost, so I'll bet for this other new virus (for me) even though I've only read one half of the New Testament. And opposing the war in Gaza means having been converted to radical Islamism. And since Richard is my friend, he won't dare call my BS". Disgusting.
@@mayhu3282🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Indeed
So hard listening to people who will suspend anything required just for them to feel good.
Strongly agree. Some people need god, religion, spirituality, sense of fulfillment, sense of beauty, art; other people perhaps do not need any or some of these. The god may not be real, but the need for it is very real, very human. When a man does not appreciate these needs in other people or denies them altogether, the result is disdain and rejection. Nothing good will come out of this arrogance and self-righteousness. I greatly appreciate rich tourists from well-developed countries who are willing to visit an urban slum or a remote village in Asia or Africa or maybe to stay a day or two there just to have some connection with the people. It needs a good deal of humility to do that, which in time will hopefully grow and bring fruits for many people.
When you're one of the most famous intellectual figures in the world-the fifth horseman, to be exact-and then suddenly come to the conclusion that Jesus is God, I'd expect you to at least try to give a coherent, logical reason for such a significant shift. What Ayaan does instead is just appeal to emotions and say things like, "well, it's just personal," or "let's agree to disagree." And I understand it's personal, but as an intellectual who chose to talk about this, at least try to justify it using your intellect. Otherwise, you'll just surround yourself with a bunch of people who are in dire need of validation.
These are the conversations we need right now, two brilliant minds with utter respect for each other discussing existential issues. Sadly rare these days and so refreshing.
@pete3028 - I did not find Richard Dawkins to be respectful at all. I found him arrogant, presumptuous, and very full of himself.
What makes ayaan a brilliant mind? The fact that she’s an advocate for banning Islam and wrote a bunch of books?
I can understand the case being made for Richard Dawkins but Ayaan is far from a brilliant mind.
Ayaan Ali argument is wholly and primarily based on her comparison between Islam and Christianity which is fundamentally flawed for the very simple reason that she idolises the decadent Western Culture based on wars, colonisation
and plundering the natural resources of the peoples in Africa and Asia. The decadence of Christianity and the implausibility of the redemption by the shedding of Christ's blood and its eschatology is embraced by this avowed Muslim hater.If one should scrutinise her argument one would find it is devoid of logic only to find acceptance in rabid Christian miliue. one of her main reasons to reject Islam is the culture of some Islamic countries to sanction female genital circumcision
I just love how both people who responded to you disagreed for opposite reasons
@@DMaybach93 at least she does not advocate for chopping hands, heads, and stoning women. People who advocate such thing has no place to judge someone like her.
Does Ali have any idea about the Christians in this country that hate jews? Both Ali and Dawkins seem to be missing things that are going on today and both seem to be stumbling all over the place. Some one else should have taken the place of Dawkins in this conversation because his relationship to her is making him timid and she is just as all over the place in her own comments. Neither Dawkins of Ali have any idea what the majority students are protesting out there. Well that was a waste of an hour.
Ayan is basically going through what we all ex Christians went through as angsty teenagers who thought the reason we didn't wanna kill ourselves was because Jesus came into our lives. Let her go through it. Soon she'll get what being a Christian really entails. Right now it's all fluff
Exactly.
So if you don’t believe in anything you just off yourselves? Not very evolutionary.
She is a bit off on young Americans against the war in Gaza and the high civilian deaths. It’s not so much Islamic antisemitism, but rather the influence of white nationalism and neo-nazi influences. Both of which hold strong anti-Jewish views.
I am amazed at how ignorant she is of the spectrum American radicalism.
She’s a politician. That’s all you need to know to understand why she’s saying what she’s saying now. She’s not ignorant, she’s just lying with a purpose. Scummy behavior all-around
Even if she converted to Christianity, this is not proof of God. We are still missing evidence of God's existence. And we know why she converted from Islam to agnosticism and then to Christianity.
I do not see where any evidence of the Creator's existence is missing ?
Captain Obvious to the rescue. Yes, 'we know why' she converted to Christianity -she was generating a much larger reception for her anti-woke, anti-Islam polemic as an "atheist turned Christian." It works wonders with that crowd -just ask Jordan Peterson.
" Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong...
Meanwhile, the first Jesus says "I'll cure it soon
Abolish Monday mornings and Friday afternoons"
The other one's out on hunger strike, he's dying by degrees
How come Jesus gets industrial disease?"
@@TKO67there is no evidence of a creator, certainly no evidence of the old testament stories, which were stolen for earlier religions...
PLEASE there is PLENTY of EVIDENCE of Jesus Christ in HISTORY! OVER 500 people WATCHED JESUS GET MURDERED! AND those people ALSO saw him RISE FROM THE GRAVE and LIVE afterwards too! WHERE is your PROOF of EVOLUTION? THERE IS NONE because even SCIENTISTS NOW believe in a CREATOR! ALL Evolution is THEORIES and that means NOT REAL !! NOT TRUTH! BUT JESUS HEALS CANCER AND HAS OTHER MIRACLES so what is that ? huh? ya you CAN'T EXPLAIN it can you! i WAS HEALED of 3 MIRACLES! AND MANY more other healings of emotional and physical and I have prayed for people and JESUS has healed them INSTANTLY or within 3 days! DOES ATHIESM do that? DOES NO ONE HEAR WHAT SHE SAID, JESUS DELIVERED HER OF SUICIDE AND DEPRESSION! NO MORE MEDS, WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT IF EVERY TEENAGER HAD THAT JOY AND PEACE ??? So what you have does it HEAL you of CANCER and SUICIDE and DEPRESSION? DO YOU HAVE JOY AND PEACE? CAN YOU FORGIVE AND EAT WITH YOUR ENEMY? DO YOU have KINDNESS, HUMILITY,SELF CONTROL AND PATIENCE? Is your HEART healed of inner hurts and deliver you from PAIN emotionally and physically? I have have 2 MIRACLES! EXPLAIN that? I have had ALSO other healings and I pray for people and JESUS has healed them INSTANTLY or within 3 DAYS ! Do you have FEAR and ANXIETY ? I DON'T ! JESUS CAN do THAT ! So to me, DAWKINS athiem has NOTHING to offer that is as good as CHRISTIANITY I have HOPE and I HAVE A PURPOSE in my LIFE and I KNOW where I am GOING when I die and its NOT INTO a BUG or whatever, my soul will go to heaven, not 6 FEET UNDER! DO you have ANGER, BITTERNESS and UNFORGIVENESS? jESUS CAN HEAL you of ALL of that stuff, do you LIE, AND DO YOU HAVE MORALS and can STOP TEMPTATION? JESUS can help you STOP AND HEAL people OF ADDICTIONS, does what you have do that? I DOUBT IT ! DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO WOULD DIE FOR YOU AND LOVES YOU UNCONDITIONALLY? JESUS AND GOD DOES!
The ending is just fantastic. Love these two speaking together. We are blessed to have them.
They de-sacralised churches and turned them into temples to reason during the French Revolution. That didn't turn out so well.
Ah well, talking about France, anything in which violence is needed or used doesn’t turn out so well. Look at Christianity with its Bartholomew night.
Let’s consider today’s war in Gaza, without the desire of Christians to persecute Jws (nice touch though, in todays speech: “Judeo Christian”) throughout the centuries of European Christianity, Jws would not have fled Europe and Russia in the numbers they did, but for its antisemitism. As a result of mass immigration and false promises by the Christian colonisers, promising the land to both the fleeing Jws as well as the Arabs, we are facing war - again.
Zionism, born in France, the result of Christian antisemitism.
The French Revolution, though bloody, got rid of royalty in France. You're simply wrong to say it turned out badly.
@@judyfrancis4515 I was referring to the bloodbath that was "the Terror" when the revolutionaries turned on each other. They got rid of the royalty alright, only to see it replaced by Napoleon who duly installed himself as Emperor.
@user-jt8vj1vm6y Is secular humanism based on rationality not a comforting lie?
@user-jt8vj1vm6y It is based on lies and the false promise of creating Utopia here on earth.
Richard Dawkins (paraphrasing): “it’s disgusting that God couldn’t think of a better way to take away our sins than having his son be brutally crucified.”
Ayaan: “Well God gave us free will.”
What…? What does that have to do with anything Richard just said? Is it a rule somewhere that once you accept Christianity that you have to read from the same worn-out script that Christians have been reading from for hundreds, if not thousands, of years…?
'Christianity is obsessed with love' OOOF the ignorance
I would like to know what you know about Christianity.
We could've got like 15 minutes more worth of dialogue without the self rightous people applauding lol
As a former Christian, listening to Ayaan tell her story actually brought tears to my eyes. I’m glad to see she’s better.
The bible alluded to either you are a believer or not a believer. be a believer is a better position, and to be a true believer is simply to pray to God and meant it (the prayer) in your heart.
I don't believe a true Christian can be a former Christian...If you have felt his transformation in your heart and mind you would never reject that...as Jesus says in the Bible to those who once called themselves disciples but then reject Him "I never knew you"
@@morganb8177i am thinking the same! Anyone who said, "they are a former Christian, was never a christian to begin with! ❤😢
@@sattaurnikkihow can you say that? You never experienced it. And quoting some verse doesn’t cut it.
She is fooling you. She is a political 🤡
As an atheist who has also struggled with depression, I can offer the replacement of the term “spiritual bankruptcy” with “lack of connection.” This is suffered worldwide and I understand how religion can fill that need. I personally found connection in my commune
with nature, hikes, the flora and fauna that surrounds me and understanding that I am a part of that all.
This conversation was quite frustrating because it’s evident that Hirsi Ali has chosen to endorse Christianity for political expediency rather than based on a logical analysis. Throughout the discussion, Dawkins’ questions highlighted her lack of critical engagement with the problems of ontology and her failure to reconcile the details of Christian belief with scientific understanding.
So sad to see that Ayaan has become so intellectual crippled by personal hardships. She has drunk the kool-aid, as Hitches would put it.
By far the best dialogue. An incredible exchange of two brilliant minds. Endlessly fascinating.
In which way are Dawkins and Ali 'brilliant' minds?
True. But I couldn't help feeling Professor Dawkins could've pushed back on the notion that Christianity was essentially responsible for the Enlightenment.
This assertion, on Ayaan's part, made me especially sceptical about her ever having been a genuine disciple of what's now rather concerningly (and all too often, without refutation) described as 'the new "atheist" movement'. Anyone who's since adopted this term clearly wasn't paying attention.
Likewise, the old boy could've done a bit more to offset the impression that rationality and secular humanism offer you 'nothing'. As Hitchens used to say more eloquently, we've always had love/sex, art, music, culture, sport, food, and wine...
@@benjamin4894 Indeed. But, in fairness, the moderator gave a great deal more air time to Ayaan than to Dawkins.
Hallelujah ❤.
@@benjamin4894 You ARE LOST. JESUS SAVES!!!
Just found out she became a Christian. I really looked up to Ayaan. I have no words to express my disappointment, wow.
i dont think it will last, i think she's just really hurting right now and as result shes clinging onto whatever comfort & belonging she can (hence why almost all her answers are based purely on her emotions). christianity preys upon that and pulls people in during their lowest, darkest points when they so desperately need comfort, support, meaning, etc the most. i hope she can realize shes been duped and genuinely work through her pain so that she can truly heal