thank you for making this! i couldn’t find anyone who had a comparison with the film going through the scanner BEFORE shooting! i accidentally left a new roll in at security and was scared i wouldn’t be able to use it but i’m not mad about the outcome in your shots 😆😪
The real issue is AFTER exposing, because the dark areas will have more noticeable fog, i.e shadows will lose detail. Grain likely higher overall for the same reason.
In the old days, they sold lead lined plastic bags to protect your films before they get to the scanner. I still keep one in my camera bag, just for the historical novelty.
Glad it was helpful! I would still recommend getting your film hand checked, but at least now you know that if you accidentally forget to do that, you'll be okay!
Thanks so much for this video! Just flew from Heathrow yesterday and they are introducing Smith Detection Hi-Scan 6040 CTiX (not 100% sure) on carry-on baggages. They told me the machine is not film-safe and hand searched my unused rolls. Unfortunately there is an unfinished Portra 400 in my blad and went through the scan. Thanks to this video I now suppose my film would still be acceptable!
So glad this video helped you!! Yes shoot that portra 400 and overexpose a stop or two and you'll most likely be just fine :) let me know once you finish shooting the roll!
@@imrannuri My roll just got developed & scanned. Nearly half of the frames are fogged or have an obvious colour-shift towards red. There is still a portion of the film (both exposed and unexposed while through CT) protected by the metallic dark slide (maybe?) and still looks great. Hope this helps!
Thanks for making this really informative video, nice seeing side by side comparisons! Just as a comment on the production: maybe it’s because I’m not a native speaker, but I have a bit of a hard time listening to what you are saying because the music is a bit too loud.
I put a Portra 800 12 ear expired 120 roll through a CT scanner… looked fine…. for most shots. Some though were super washed out and weird. Not a controlled test so could be user error, film age or the 1920's camera used. Still waiting on the EIR that I also sent through accidentally to see how it is...
Exactly! I'll still get all my film hand scanned while going through TSA, but at least we know it's not the end of the world if film does go through the scanners
I'm getting back to film after about a 14 year hiatus, just ran four rolls through the 3d Smith Detection scanner. I was pretty upset about it but I'm going to pull these through my cameras anyway. Thanks for lowering my blood pressure.
Hahah you're welcome for normalizing your blood pressure!! You will most likely be okay, and if you look at my recent video (th-cam.com/video/-7ABfDbUQs0/w-d-xo.html) about "why your film photos suck" I show how you can use the levels tool in photoshop to fix hazy shadows if that's how they turn out after going through the TSA scanner
@@imrannuri I appreciate the link but that's something I know how to fix already :) It's been so damn long since I've traveled with film I forgot to pull it out...
@@oscatMeow They seemed to be OK, some light fogging that may have been from the xrays or the older camera I was using but since I digitized them that was easily fixable.
Do you think I will still have usable images after 2 times? Like if I take unexposed film through and then bring back the exposed film? I really don't want to ask for a handcheck and I'm okay with low quality pictures.
You should really just ask for the handcheck in my opinion! They are super quick about it and they are all trained to accept a hand check request for film so they won't give you any trouble. There's a real possibility that your photos will be completely destroyed if you send them through the scanners twice
hi, what can i do if a roll of film is currently in my camera? would i still be able to ask for a hand inspection, or would it just have to go through the xray ?
@@Honey_in_my_t i dont think so, it went fine. they handed the camera back within a few minutes and nothing seemed to have been opened/switched. i have yet to get that roll of film developed so im not actually sure if it was exposed to light. good luck!
Why would you have done “noise reduction” in Lightroom on the photos? We want to see the effect on the unedited photos. If Kodak has stated their film develops fog going through these machines, we want to see you reproduce it. If necessary, get film that has gone through scanners 10 times like you stated Kodak had done in their tests.
I just recently ran portra 800 and 400 through the scanned. You think it will be ok? On the CT hand luggage scanner at Atlanta. I totally forgot to ask for hand inspection.
You should be alright with the 400! I genuinely don't know with the 800. You could overexpose everything by a stop or two just to make sure you don't get too much grain. Your situation is exactly what I did in this video, so you can use the example photos to make a call for yourself on whether to still shoot the rolls or not
@@jingxuan9728 if there are undeveloped photos on a roll that has gone through the scanners, you may see a slight reduction in quality, mostly in the shadows. If the photos have already been developed, the scanner will not affect the already-developed film
Definitely not trolling here! The only one where you can really see a difference is the photo at 3:12. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're noticing
From experience, I cannot agree with your findings. A couple of years ago I travelled through Amsterdam airport which uses CT scanners and my Tmax 100 films were DAMAGED. Some of the shots could not be recovered in post. You are spreading misinformation which will affect film shooters if they believe you.
@Arjan Singh I hope for you it won’t be too bad, but let us know if you will, I’m interested. After I had sent them an email complaining about this, they replied that it is possible to ask for a hand check.
@Arjan Singh it all depends whether the airport uses CT scanners or not. Not all airports have them, hence the confusion maybe. Schiphol definitely has them, recognisable by the bluish glow of their entry point. Kodak made tests and the results were very clear. That’s why I get somewhat irritated when some people are spreading false information which will cause grief to the people who believe them. I’m curious to read what your findings will be. Cheers.
Hey Ben! In the video, I did include a part that showed that CT scanners are more likely to affect film if you send it through machines after you take your photos. It's clear from this video that if you take photos after sending the blank film through a CT scanner, your results won't be dramatically affected. It's possible that Amsterdam had more intense scanners. Sorry about that! Overall, it's always worth it to get hand scans done because that can't do any harm. I still always ask for hand scans of my film
I think there’s some confusion here in the comments about what’s getting CT scanned. Your carry on bag that probably has your camera and film in it are still getting conventional “low power” X-rays, just like in the past. So anything under 800 ASA is supposedly safe for a round trip. Getting a hand check is still advisable, but not always possible depending on the TSA agent. Checked bags in certain airports are getting the higher powered CT scanner X-rays, and that’s when people have claimed their film was ruined.
I don't think this is entirely accurate. Carry on bags are being scanned by the TSA's relatively new CT scanners too. It's definitely a bad idea to leave film in checked bags, but every single TSA agent is trained to accept requests for hand scanning film when you're going through the carry on security
thank you for making this! i couldn’t find anyone who had a comparison with the film going through the scanner BEFORE shooting! i accidentally left a new roll in at security and was scared i wouldn’t be able to use it but i’m not mad about the outcome in your shots 😆😪
The real issue is AFTER exposing, because the dark areas will have more noticeable fog, i.e shadows will lose detail. Grain likely higher overall for the same reason.
In the old days, they sold lead lined plastic bags to protect your films before they get to the scanner. I still keep one in my camera bag, just for the historical novelty.
Thanks for this! Helps put me a bit more at ease for when I start traveling again
Glad it was helpful! I would still recommend getting your film hand checked, but at least now you know that if you accidentally forget to do that, you'll be okay!
Thanks so much for this video! Just flew from Heathrow yesterday and they are introducing Smith Detection Hi-Scan 6040 CTiX (not 100% sure) on carry-on baggages. They told me the machine is not film-safe and hand searched my unused rolls. Unfortunately there is an unfinished Portra 400 in my blad and went through the scan. Thanks to this video I now suppose my film would still be acceptable!
So glad this video helped you!! Yes shoot that portra 400 and overexpose a stop or two and you'll most likely be just fine :) let me know once you finish shooting the roll!
@@imrannuri My roll just got developed & scanned. Nearly half of the frames are fogged or have an obvious colour-shift towards red. There is still a portion of the film (both exposed and unexposed while through CT) protected by the metallic dark slide (maybe?) and still looks great. Hope this helps!
I heard heathrow are well know for refusing manual checks
Thanks for making this really informative video, nice seeing side by side comparisons! Just as a comment on the production: maybe it’s because I’m not a native speaker, but I have a bit of a hard time listening to what you are saying because the music is a bit too loud.
I put a Portra 800 12 ear expired 120 roll through a CT scanner… looked fine…. for most shots. Some though were super washed out and weird. Not a controlled test so could be user error, film age or the 1920's camera used. Still waiting on the EIR that I also sent through accidentally to see how it is...
Love this! Almost no difference. Maybe slightly more exposed, but nothing significant!
Exactly! I'll still get all my film hand scanned while going through TSA, but at least we know it's not the end of the world if film does go through the scanners
I'm getting back to film after about a 14 year hiatus, just ran four rolls through the 3d Smith Detection scanner. I was pretty upset about it but I'm going to pull these through my cameras anyway. Thanks for lowering my blood pressure.
Hahah you're welcome for normalizing your blood pressure!! You will most likely be okay, and if you look at my recent video (th-cam.com/video/-7ABfDbUQs0/w-d-xo.html) about "why your film photos suck" I show how you can use the levels tool in photoshop to fix hazy shadows if that's how they turn out after going through the TSA scanner
@@imrannuri I appreciate the link but that's something I know how to fix already :)
It's been so damn long since I've traveled with film I forgot to pull it out...
hi, how did the photos come out if you remember?
@@oscatMeow They seemed to be OK, some light fogging that may have been from the xrays or the older camera I was using but since I digitized them that was easily fixable.
@@jordanlaine7412 awesome thank you. i’m stressing about my rolls of portra i took on holiday
Hey were you using 2 different lenses? Curious if the differences could also be caused by lens characteristics
Thank you so much for making this video
Thank you, it was the exactly info what I was looking for
Do you think I will still have usable images after 2 times? Like if I take unexposed film through and then bring back the exposed film? I really don't want to ask for a handcheck and I'm okay with low quality pictures.
You should really just ask for the handcheck in my opinion! They are super quick about it and they are all trained to accept a hand check request for film so they won't give you any trouble. There's a real possibility that your photos will be completely destroyed if you send them through the scanners twice
@@imrannuri I had my Kodak Ektar 100 go through scanners twice and photos came out normal
@@pattyrick8158 good to hear this. I've never shoot with Ektar 100 and bought one from USA to Europe.
thanks for putting the time into this research, however most people will travel at least twice with their film
hi, what can i do if a roll of film is currently in my camera? would i still be able to ask for a hand inspection, or would it just have to go through the xray ?
You can ask them to hand scan the whole camera! I've done that many times before and never had an issue
@@imrannuri thank you so much! they wouldn't open the film slot door by any chance, would they?
@@yim_e hope you can reply 😭 I’m also worried about this ! How did your traveling thing go ? Did they open the back of the camera for the inspection ?
@@yim_e Im traveling tommorow Im hoping they don’t make me open the camera, I already have some photos shot in there
@@Honey_in_my_t i dont think so, it went fine. they handed the camera back within a few minutes and nothing seemed to have been opened/switched. i have yet to get that roll of film developed so im not actually sure if it was exposed to light. good luck!
Thank you for this!
No problem! Glad it was helpful!
Why would you have done “noise reduction” in Lightroom on the photos? We want to see the effect on the unedited photos. If Kodak has stated their film develops fog going through these machines, we want to see you reproduce it. If necessary, get film that has gone through scanners 10 times like you stated Kodak had done in their tests.
I didn't do any noise reduction with these photos
I just recently ran portra 800 and 400 through the scanned. You think it will be ok? On the CT hand luggage scanner at Atlanta. I totally forgot to ask for hand inspection.
Did you run the film through it before taking pictures or with pictures already on them but before developing?
@@imrannuri it’s brand new film so no pics in it.
You should be alright with the 400! I genuinely don't know with the 800. You could overexpose everything by a stop or two just to make sure you don't get too much grain. Your situation is exactly what I did in this video, so you can use the example photos to make a call for yourself on whether to still shoot the rolls or not
@@imrannuri hello! what will happen if there are alrd photos alrd? mine’s a colourplus 200
@@jingxuan9728 if there are undeveloped photos on a roll that has gone through the scanners, you may see a slight reduction in quality, mostly in the shadows. If the photos have already been developed, the scanner will not affect the already-developed film
Is he trolling?. You can clearly see the difference
Definitely not trolling here! The only one where you can really see a difference is the photo at 3:12. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're noticing
From experience, I cannot agree with your findings. A couple of years ago I travelled through Amsterdam airport which uses CT scanners and my Tmax 100 films were DAMAGED. Some of the shots could not be recovered in post. You are spreading misinformation which will affect film shooters if they believe you.
@Arjan Singh I hope for you it won’t be too bad, but let us know if you will, I’m interested. After I had sent them an email complaining about this, they replied that it is possible to ask for a hand check.
@Arjan Singh it all depends whether the airport uses CT scanners or not. Not all airports have them, hence the confusion maybe. Schiphol definitely has them, recognisable by the bluish glow of their entry point. Kodak made tests and the results were very clear. That’s why I get somewhat irritated when some people are spreading false information which will cause grief to the people who believe them.
I’m curious to read what your findings will be.
Cheers.
Hey Ben! In the video, I did include a part that showed that CT scanners are more likely to affect film if you send it through machines after you take your photos. It's clear from this video that if you take photos after sending the blank film through a CT scanner, your results won't be dramatically affected. It's possible that Amsterdam had more intense scanners. Sorry about that! Overall, it's always worth it to get hand scans done because that can't do any harm. I still always ask for hand scans of my film
How is his observed lived reality misinformation?
I think there’s some confusion here in the comments about what’s getting CT scanned. Your carry on bag that probably has your camera and film in it are still getting conventional “low power” X-rays, just like in the past. So anything under 800 ASA is supposedly safe for a round trip. Getting a hand check is still advisable, but not always possible depending on the TSA agent. Checked bags in certain airports are getting the higher powered CT scanner X-rays, and that’s when people have claimed their film was ruined.
I don't think this is entirely accurate. Carry on bags are being scanned by the TSA's relatively new CT scanners too. It's definitely a bad idea to leave film in checked bags, but every single TSA agent is trained to accept requests for hand scanning film when you're going through the carry on security
Tooooo much music!