WHAT REALLY ARE GAME IMPROVEMENT IRONS FOR YOUR GOLF?
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- Much is spoken about with golf clubs but what really are game improvement irons for your golf? Do you want more forgiveness, more distance, better feel, better looks, better accuracy or everything in your new irons? In this video Ali talks about what different golfers might be looking for and how game improvement for you could be very different for the next golfer.
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I know you may not have a complete set with each brand of iron, but the fairest way to test each is at a set distance. For example, a green that is 190 yards from the tee. You may have to use a 7 iron with one club and a 6 or perhaps a 5 iron with the others. Then you can fairly compare dispersion and spin rates.
I’m glad you posted this, I’m on the newer side to the game and have found very little in terms of gains from game improvement irons. The way they interact with the ground, offset and just plain size puts me off. I find that I actually strike more compact irons more consistent. Not to mention that the GI irons are a full club stronger in loft. If you’re a junior or a bit older and need the fastest tech available or just want a set to whack at a few times a year than it makes sense. If you actually want to play the game and actually improve it’s probably better to learn with a more compact iron. Nothing worse than learning bad habits.
I started golfing in 2011 with Cobra TDR irons which are blades and force you to be acurate.Then I got a set of larger head Callaway S2H2 irons. If you didn't hit the ball of the middle your elbows would shake rock raddle and roll from the MASSIVE negative feedback. These sets forced me to improve my ball striking or the punishment was severe. Now I like having irons that I still have room to grow into but can have a few beers and have some back up forgiveness . I only buy forged clubs and have Nike Vapor Pros (no, not the pro combos), TM P760 and in my bag are New Level 902s. All 3 sets feel amazing and are fogiving.
A game improvement club is doing what it should do, it’s not about making your good shots better, it’s about making your bad shot better. I know way too many golfers whose ego gets in the way of their club selection which ends up affecting their entire day negatively. It’s always some excuse about why they are hitting so poorly and so on whereas if they were playing a more forgiving club they would actually enjoy the round more.
Pretty much a myth that you should play blades to get better. I have both the Ping G400 and i210 irons. Many pro's (especially LPGA) play the i210. They are elite ball strikers. I am not. And I am a 4 hdcp. I'm better with the G400's. Let's be real... unless you are a plus handicap with anything outside of 100 yards you should be trying to hit it high, straight and at the middle of the green. 12 handicaps that want to "work a fade to a back right pin" just crack me up as they miss 13 greens per round with their blades or "players" club. Just hit the friggen middle of the green.
I'm at that stage now of learning to shot shape, high long draws or medium high cuts, stinger 2 iron shots ect. Was 20 HC for years gave up golf for 5 yr, but this year took it up seriously and i'm down to 10.1 HC. Always aimed centre green or fairway - but in order to get to 5 HC goal i gta learn to shot shape and attack pins more or best sides of faiways. The JPX 921 forged irons let me do this to a decent extent. Shot shaping is hard and you look a fool, but its only part of my game that needs massive improvement
Man I couldn’t agree more! I have been a +3 handicap in the past and am currently a 4 handicap honestly those 7 strokes are ALL putting and chipping. I find it’s “fun” to shape the ball and attack pins sometimes but you just score better when you just aim for the middle of the green or at least favoring the middle and beat the course with your putter! I’m going from mizuno 921 tours to some l thing SUPER Gi like maybe the rogue xt or the sim2 max or the zx4 problem is my fitter is like man you don’t want to play those! He don’t get it.
In the world of Golf are two competing entities. Golf Clubs vs Practice. Almost every golfer wants to kneel at the Alter of "Newer and More Expensive will improve my game". Then there are some golfers who believe it is not the cost, name or age of the clubs, it is the person swinging the club. My philosophy as a general rule is if you have fitted clubs and can draw a 7 iron with Titleist XXX model golf clubs then you are capable of drawing a 7 iron with a set of knock-offs with the same length, loft and lie as the Titleist iron and vice versa. So it now begs the question that if you know your clubs and know your distance by club, then which clubs (i.e. irons) become game improvement irons. It comes down to 'have you learned to swing your clubs consistently?'. Now if you want more distance then you can get different balls or get your same clubs with a stronger loft but that gets back to club fitting and not the clubs age, cost or brand name. So what is a golf improvement club. Any new club(s) in your bag require the user to be able to swing consistently and know your distances. If you do not master those two things, no new additions to your bag will result in improvements in your game no matter how much of an offering you make to the gods of Titleist, Ping, Calloway, TaylorMade or any other brand manufacturer
There’s a difference between Game Improvement and Game Enhancement. I think playing a forged cavity back gives you both...I just bought the 921 Forged...
I've been on the fence about going to CBs from super forgiving irons. And I've realized that if I stick with these clubs I'll never get better. 85% of my shots feel the same. No real feedback= no info if you're getting better. So I think I'll go this year to get fitted for a set of players irons. The fitter is going to think I'm mad. But I feel it's the only way I'll be able to take my game to the next level. Will I be able to hit them properly the first season? Hopefully. But not likely. But that will force.me.to improve. While also having a set of clubs that I can grow into and not have to buy another set for 4-5 years.
When I first started playing, I went through a variety of game improvement irons, without any good results. I did this for years. But it was when I went to a smaller, more traditional head, WITH LESS OFFSET, actually helped me more. I think that the longer blade lengths of GI irons are harder to square up.
Imagine that the most forgiving is the most accurate! Lol I’m 100% going as forgiving this year as i possibly can golfs hard enough. Irons are weakest part of my game I’m a 4.5 handicap. But if I could hit a couple more greens might get me back to a zero or better again
The consistency of the blade was so good on most shots it would set you up best for birdie putts. The one you hit short is an up and down to make for par. The game improvement iron even though it was close would be scattered all over or just off the green with multiple up and downs needed. Score would be best with the blade for you
I agree. Better to have 2/12 shots go short vs 4 short and 4 long/12. Much better.
I'm new to golf looking to get my 1st real set, I'm playing with a yard sale set of no name clubs ( pro tour ??? ) only been seriously playing for about 14 months... no coaching just plenty of driving range with friends.... I can hit the ball. Can't control the ball... have a slight to moderate slice off the tee, however play the irons moderately well... (my opinion anyway)... usually in the area im aiming .. just either long or like mostly short strikes ... I'm looking at the Mizuno... after watching this im thinking calloway ???
They should be called new player irons instead of game improvement, New player here playing Maverik Max and I need all the help I can get. If you gave me a blade out of the gate I would probably just be completely frustrated and give up golf!
How old are you? when you reach 70 and have lost 20 yards and your back gives you problems come back and let me know how you like blades
@@Mj-CWO4 Excellent point. And if GI clubs are 'new player clubs', then what does he call super GI clubs? And if he had played blades for a couple of years (no longer a new player), gave up golf out of frustration and went back to what he's playing now, would they be GI clubs or NP clubs.
I think you should play those Maveriks on the course. If you're picking a golf club based on looks and feel and not performance...I don't think you are making the right choice. Most people are playing the wrong clubs. Do a vlog on the course.
Great video, I found this to be true for me this year I got back into golf and bought a set of Sim Max irons and had a decent time but wasn’t sure why I couldn’t improve until I got a P7MC in my hands and I’ve been in love since. Definitely if you have the basics down a forged club is the way to go.
Same story with me. I'm in the sim max irons right now.. they are good.. but when do you move on? I do like the distance that the Max irons are giving me. Did that change even you made the move?
@@fend2ride I liked the distance as well but really everything just shifted a club up so a normal 5 iron shot would now be a 4 iron and so on. I would recommend you switch after you can hit the ball and send the ball on a similar flight and direction majority of the time. I know I was struggling with the Sim irons and I think it was a mixture of offset and a lack of feel, the club almost disconnected me from my swing. Now that I’ve switched and played the P7MC iron for a year I’m playing the best I’ve ever played because now I have been able to determine how to hit the ball straight and how to put a slight fade (my natural miss is slice) I am still working on a draw but I’m sure if I went to a coach I could learn. I think another benefit is the thin sole, I am not much of a divot maker but the sim always seemed to get stuck on the ground in my swing but the P7MCs don’t have that issue helping me make better contact. Hope this helps!
@@Nick0G2 hmm very interesting. I just got this sim max irons after playing with Tommy armour 845s for over 20 years! I did notice that I couldn't feel as much as I wanted.. when I miss with these max irons.. it misses bad and sounds horrid.. but that doesn't happen often.. I do like the height and spin I'm getting on them though.. if I were to switch.. I'd want to make sure I don't lose those
@@fend2ride If anything you might find they fly a little higher but going to a fitter or something like golf galaxy you could test that type of thing out without buying the clubs first.
Of the 3;
Blade - will make you a better player when practicing but will stop you improving your handicap/playing your best golf
Callaway - will offer you the most forgiveness on each shot, may not encourage you to practise often enough to improve
Mizuno- offers you enough forgiveness to get away with a slight miss hit but still requires yiu to practise often to get the most out of it
I'll take the callaway, dont have much time to practice. To busy making money.
A blade in my humble opinion is the best game improvement iron
my god ,my swing fells like an unfolded lawn char , fused back, fused neck last june a reverse sholder replacent right, aks salvage repair, two fake knees , and nerve damage feet feel like floating pins and needle , hitting x hot pros , my wedge is allways short , or i reall fall of and shnk it , no consitant follow through , its moe like allowing the body to try, then excepting the the 2 point gymnst landing score, my body wont rotate the needed rotation for the energy in motion, any hints
a couple notes first you should have compared they at x distance. like if 160 yards out play the one you would hit of each. Second the middle one thats supposed to be the best of both seems like the worst of both 15 yards distance front to back with a 7 iron is going to turn lots of GIR opportunities into trying to save par or bogey. I see lots of complaints on the players distance irons for this. Also the strike pattern of the max might also be due to the massive sole and mat interaction
I'm a 5 Hcp (today, anyway) and I play Callaway Apex 19s with graphite regular shafts, because I'm a short hitter - about 145-150 with 7-iron and I average about 230 total yards with driver. I like the Apex 19s because you do have to put a decent strike on them, but there's some help there. They feel quite good, and there's not a massive amount of offset - though still too much for my liking. Still waiting for that "unicorn" set of irons for the single-digit short knocker: a head with some forgiveness and fairly strong lofts, but with little to no offset. I doubt it will ever happen.
Try the Titleist AP3 ( distance , cavity back ) no real offset . The tour pro hit a them and just grin . I replace the variable weight shafts with KBS Tour V ( 105 grams / steel )
Most consistent, solid strike is like “classical music - smooth “
@@stevengriffin5349 Thanks! I'll give them a hit.
If you're still looking, check out the Srixon ZX7
@theEntreriCode Thanks! I tried the ZX5s. Liked the feel a lot, but went with the Mizuno Hot Metal Pros. Ticked all the boxes with those.
When I have time to work on my game, I like to use blade/"player's cavity" irons. When I can only get out occasionally and little to no practice time, I like a chunkier head (e.g.: G30).
Well, until you said "finesse shots" i was of the opinion you were deluding yourself. Best consistency and dispersion of the three were the most forgiving. Even for you. Top that with the fact that that 7 iron goes 10 yards+ past your blades, means you need the 8i version to make the same shot. That i assume given the extra loft and spin will make for even greater accuracy of the 8i max. stick em in the bag. get over the bravado and get em in!! Finesse shots? lets see that video!!! Also to test forgiveness, could you not try striking them out of the toe and or heel? good video though, but i was thinking you should have the max's in the bag.
I think a players distance iron is best of both worlds have to hit them half decent but need to be decent ball striker
his 7 was 15 yards front to back with them though not hitting a lot of greens with that club for him.
Most greens are longer than 15 yards
Even more validation that a beginner is best suited by using a Cavity Back "players" iron and practising to get a good consistent ball strike. I'd rsther struggle the first 6 months than have to unlearn my natural ball striking when the time comes to upgrade from game improvement.
Ofcourse if the point is to drink beer and have a faff away from the wife then it's a different story.
I believe in buying and playing whatever clubs, expensive, cheap, mid-price, etc, keeps your scores the lowest.
I play with scratch players that play. Blades and scratch players that play larger cavity back’s. Play what you like. Blades are not that difficult if you understand they are generally weaker lofted and you’re not comparing apples to apples by the number stamped on the bottom.
I don’t get ‘game improvement’ and the whole argument that higher handicaps should play them because ‘they won’t punish you as much on mishits’ or ‘you won’t experience as much drop off’. In my experience as a relatively mid-high handicapper - I experience a lot of extremes in ball striking and have tried a wide variety of clubs on the course. A chunky game improvement / distance iron with a lot of tech tends to accentuate the ‘drop offs’ in distance. The tech maximises it’s potential on flushed shots (gaining more distance) but I’ve found that a bad miss is a bad miss regardless of what type of iron you are playing. So what’s best then? Playing an iron in the hope you flush it (and let’s face it this doesn’t happen as much as we like at our level) and gain massive yardage or an iron that has a little less tech and smooths results out a little and therefore promoting a little more consistency?
but in reality the middle was the worst dispersion on distance by a lot
I think the best game improvement is the player. Like they say practice makes perfect.I think that one must see what they want to achieve to have a happy playing experience. Do you think the pros are that good because they have good clubs? They practice like crazy on every kind of shot and every kind of club in the bag. Bunker shots, long grass, sand etc. Plus if they don't make the cut they don't get paid. Alot depends on age, money, time, and skill. I also think that lessons from a pro is a good use of money. You can practice all day long , but if your grip, stance, swing is off then you won't really get better. You will continue to make the same mistakes. No club is going to fix that. Some have more forgiveness and the bad hit might not be so bad, but may save you from the rough. But all in all lessons, practice and decent grade clubs with help any player get better.
Practice doesn’t make perfect though if you’re working on the wrong things
@@AliTaylorGolf So true that's why I think it's important to get lessons from a pro so you don't keep making the same mistakes.
It is game improvement, it is not player improvement. If I would settle for the distance I reach with a blade (135 yards with a I7), my game would enormously. I can relax more in my strike, performing at somewhere between 50-80%.
This would improve my game a lot. My technique translates to skill at a swing speed from 70-75 mph. At 80 miles an hour it comes apart, but I love full speed and distance. But the i fuck up my game.
You need to expand the data your showing on hits my eyes aren’t that good. At 69 I don’t have the fitness or money to afford a lot of lessons and range time to be able to hit blades, it’s a fact the blades are shorter in distance and my one area of most concern is distance so for someone in the older age bracket who has lost this aspect of their game game improvement irons are the way to go. As far as stretching myself, sports equipment is supposed to help you not stretch you.
Not sure i agree with you about blades not going as far. The clubs in this test all went the distance you'd expect based on their loft. The blade is one club weaker than the mavrik and was about one club shorter. I'm not saying blades arent more challenging but the extra distance thing seems to be a bit of a sales trick to me.
I’d be willing to bet that if a blade was the same loft as the Mavericks then they would be very hard to hit, I’ve had all the types of clubs and blades really are hard to hit. This feel thing is way over hyped in my opinion.
@@Mj-CWO4 yep, not disagreeing about ease of launch etc i am just saying that the game inprovement clubs dont go further. Lower lofted clubs go further and thats all there is to distance in my opinion. But i dont disagree with you that many will find chunky clubs easier to hit/launch for a variety of reasons.
I started out with chunky ping g20, then cavity back ping i25 and srixon 765. Now i play the srixon bladed 965. I strike irons pretty consistently (its the rest of my game thats the issue!) so i genuinelly see no difference in drop offs with the blades. Off centre strike do FEEL a lot worse, but the actual drop off seems to be much the same.
@@jaywalk4446 if I had his swing speed I’d try blades but unfortunately blades aren’t made for slow swing speed (my opinion)
Play blades if you want, but we need to stop perpetuating the myth that there's some sort of "higher skill level" you can reach if you play blades. There's a reason 95%+ of the best players on the planet don't even play bladed irons.
Gaming blades helps no-one, practicing with blades however helps everyone
"Game Improvement" irons of course don't improve your game. They will likely improve distance and maybe consistency on off center hits, but not your game. A set of blades will tell you when you mis hit the ball and encourage you to work on strike. That will actually improve your game. You have to be willing and able to practice quite a bit in order to improve any aspect of your game but if you do, you'll benefit from a blade. I know because I bought a set of blades as a 10 handicap player. My ball striking and distance both improved a lot because of better ball striking and changes in my swing. I practiced a lot to get there, but I lowered my handicap significantly with the blades and I know I'm a much better player for the practicing.
By this logic we should all buy our clubs at goodwill. Seriously the "game improver" performed better accross the board. At the very least, use those at the top of the bag. But these youtube channels need to stop pretending that they aren't golf elitists. Just say it "I'm too good for this club"
any body , poor man golf , the courses i play striking your face ony is paramount , if striking ont the down swing correctly , iget a reasonable aim factor, but no ball action , the divt scrape is completly halted , thus losing distance and ball action , iowa ground gets hard , if a slightlty early contact with the ground you just added club boune to the shot , hopeless
Why do all the reviewers have this English accent?
We're all from the north west of England, the best place. Apart from James Robinson he's from the wrong side of the country.
You keep trying to take out the shortest hit with the blade. After the testing, can we please stop talking about the 1 ball that occasionally jumps. Golf his very difficult, so why play the most difficult clubs?? I like the video, but why would you not trying the Game Improving clubs for a season to see if your score goes down.
Like I said it's what you consider game improvement. I have used more forgiving irons in the past and it hasn't improved how close to the hole I get the ball
Rubbish test. You need to test loft for loft, not the number on the bottom. 7 iron at traditional loft of 34 is way different than a super game improvement at 28/29.
Out of focus?
Semantics about what a game improvement iron is doesn’t help. Pointless video, we know what game improvement irons are. Mavriks are blades are absolutely not.
Appreciate you taking the extra time to comment.