Thanks a bunch for airing this video. It made my day. Please don't let it be too long before you air you next Sci-Fi video. And also seriously consider doing a video series on the Star Trek Universe preferably "The War Against the Dominion" timeline. Now that would be great.
@WizardsandWarriors May I see a complete Cannon and Legend Clone Wars timeline, please? Please also include plenty of space battles and more. I want to hear of Ahsoka Tano, too, please. I would appreciate a reply. Also, what is the music used in the conclusion of this video?
Despite ANH being overall my favorite Star Wars movie, ROTJ’s Battle of Endor is perhaps my favorite Star Wars moment period. It was a great showcase of just how far the ILM technology had come for the spectacle, and would be surpassed only by R1’s Battle of Scarif decades later. It overall cemented my love for the spaceship side of Star Wars, with so many freaking X-Wings, Y-Wings, TIE Fighters and Star Destroyers, alongside even more ships like the A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, and the Calimari cruisers. Whatever was said and is possibly said about ROTJ being the “weak link” of the OT, Battle of Endor is a definite highlight.
Personally, Scarif manages to be just a hair short of being neck to neck with Endor for me. A large part is because of how much of Endor is still impressive and beats out most space battles before and since then. Also, another reason is that it is Lando's big moment as his truest redemption. Not simply as him making up for his actions in ESB, but redeeming the person he always was but failed to be then: Lando Calrissian, the legendary gambler. Played it safe and lost everything. Took three high risks here and all paid off handsomely.
@@reyonXIII Meanwhile, Wedge runs thru the whole battle, once again takes the trench/tunnel, delivers part of the killing blow... and I'll bet he didn't get a medal this time either.
The trap and plan was perfect from the start. If Palpatine had just been able to control his obsession with Luke Skywalker for a couple of days and not put himself right in the middle of the trap that he'd set when the trap was perfectly appealing to the rebels without him, it would have been perfect
Everything proceeded as the Emperor foresaw. He had seen his death at Vader's hand and knew he would rise again. He even knew that he would die at the hands of Rey in the next trilogy. His plans perfectly played out in such a way that not even his true master, Darth Jar Jar, could have predicted.
It should also be noted that had Admiral Piett being allowed to engage the Rebel armada from the get go then the Imperial Fleet would have made short work of the Alliance's ships and crushed them. Had Palpatine not ordered him to just sit there and in so lose the initiative, this could have turned out to be a decisive victory for the Empire. Goes to show that Palpatine was his own worse enemy.
The Endor trap was poorly researched. It failed because Palpatine never considered that the Rebels (and Anakin's children specifically) could bring skilled and warlike stone-age indigenes into their Alliance. That's sloppy prep.
There's no Star Wars battle more memorable than the Battle of Endor. The Imperials had the perfect ambush plan, and it all went awry, which led to the loss of not just Vader and Emperor Palpatine, but many of the Imperial naval leadership which was on the Executor when it crashed.
I completely agree with you on that because I would like to see them do the battle of geonosis and also the stuff that happened before the phantom menace.
Great video but think you missed out some ships. A Barrack cruiser was there as well, its shown briefly in the film and z-95 head hunter fights was used. A escort ship was also there.
A video on the Clone Wars would be awesome, though thanks to the 2008 show, I think the war has already been covered excellently. Geonosis, Kamino, Anaxes, and Coruscant being some of the most significant battles.
That was the 501st? I thought the ewoks in general were some of the worst characters in general scifi. Their idiotic stick fighting pretty much killed any joy derived from the theater movies. C3PO, that floppy eared dingbat, and hamill portraying a masculine hero role also helped detract as well. Thank God for fan films and channels like this, because in general, the complex storyline is fantastic.
I'm sorry, Jaba the Hutt was not killed by the destruction of his sail barge by Skywalker and Calrissian. General Organa killed him, personally, after what is best described as a serrious case of sexual harassment.
although Jabba passed out after being choked, the destruction of the sail barge confirmed his death. A slug like creature like a Hutt hardly has a neck to choke or breathe, when you think about it
You should absolutely do Legends stories like the Yuuzhan Vong, Dark Empire, the One Sith, or further back like the Infinite Empire, Hutt Empire, or the Old/High Republic era.
16:26 "Sir, we've lost the bridge deflector shields!" "Intensify the forward batteries, I don't want anything to get through!" 16:31 *"INTENSIFY FORWARD FIREPOWER!"* "AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!" *"TOO LATE!"* (Executor bridge goes Ka-BOOOOOM!) Oh Admiral Piett, a true hero to the Empire...
The Empire should really need to learn to stop putting all their faith on lonely superweapons. It didn't pan out for the Separatists during the Clone Wars, and it really isn't panning out for them.
I agree, as did many Imperials. Thrawn was very concerned about lack of security during DS1’s construction. Another Grand Admiral (Savit) was equally concerned, realising that the station couldn’t operate indefinitely and that it was inevitable someone would eventually work out how to destroy it.
When I was in my x wing flying with red squadron I had a solid viewing at the Empires fleet, it was a crazy battle. I made multiple passes on one of the battle cruisers, firing my laser canon like crazy, I could explosions on the ship and adrenaline was really high. My auxiliary computer failed probably from a shrapnel hit, but I was lucky my secondary compute system was fully functional. I did my best to protect the rebel alliance that day, fortunately I lived thru the experience.
One major thing you got wrong for the Battle of Endor was that the Rebel fleet was nearly 3x the size you listed, Ackbar and Mothma threw everything they had at the battle but I must say, wonderful video, can't wait for the Battle of Jakku!!
And frankly, it depends on which source you want to believe; do you go with the "official Disney canon"? Legends/EU? The novelization? The movie? Cuz they each claim significantly different fleet compositions
@@Sephiroth144 , Do the movies even claim how big the fleets are? By my count there were over 30 Imperial Star Destroyers present... but I could barely count more than 20 Rebel Ships... and by ships I mean, everything larger than the Falcon...
Love to see you guys cover the Dominion War from Star Trek, the various wars and battles from Warcraft and starcraft, and of course the wars from the Star Wars expanded universe
Even he wouldn't have been immune to the Emperor's death and the sudden Battle Meditation cut off that's the reason everything fell apart after he died.
Long post is long, sorry in advance. I can't help myself. See, I don't see the battle proceeding *much* differently for the most part until after the DS2 is destroyed. In the old canon, the Emperor's Battle Meditation wore off and all of the admirals suddenly lost all competence and the battle plan fell apart until Pellaeon gave the general retreat. New canon, the chain of command falls apart, Admiral Sloane sounds the general retreat immediately, and several Imperials follow orders. For the battle itself, the Emperor's orders overrode GA Thrawn's, and the Emperor wanted to really drive home the hopelessness of the situation. Thrawn would have allowed the Star Destroyers to engage the Rebels, rather than simply sit around and do nothing while the superlaser was fired, but that would have been mostly irreconcilable to the Emperor's plans. So we must assume the battle plan is still for the DS2 to power up and kablooey the Calamari, and that the first stage of the battle proceeds the same, until Calrissian and Ackbar engage the SDs directly. Also, bear in mind, Thrawn was a Grand ADMIRAL, meaning his expertise was in space battles, and thus the ground battle would likely have remained the same, so let's assume it does. Solo's team destroys the Shield Generator and the DS2 is still rendered vulnerable. The initial setup was excellent. Bait the rebels in, then slam the door shut on them. However, the Interdictor SDs at Endor were concentrated within the fleet, so escape was an option. IIRC the DS2 had gravity well projectors of its own, which would force all starships to fly out of range before they could jump. Snub fighters could easily escape, but the DS2 and ISDs would pick off capital ships while they fled, decimating the force. I believe this was the idea. Make the Rebels abandon all hope, decimate, and escape. Thrawn would have stationed the Interdictors with guards at key points to make sure that escape wasn't an option at all and the DS2 could pick all capital ships off, not just a few. He also likely would have kept TIE squadrons ready aboard the DS2 in case of shield failure and would have scrambled them around the DS2's entry points once the shield went down because the Empire deliberately left the weaknesses vulnerable to allow the Rebels to believe in the possibility of victory, under the assumption that the shield generator wouldn't fall. Remember, no TIE-Defenders, that program got shut down in favor of the DS1. I think the Rebels still would have destroyed the DS2, mainly due to the Emperor's own bait proving to be his downfall. Calrissian and Rogue Squadron were too good of pilots to be taken down by average TIE pilots, no matter how well-positioned. However, once the Emperor was dead and GA Thrawn took over leading all naval forces, I do believe he would have leveraged his numerical superiority and found a way to salvage a tactical victory from the battle in spite of the destruction of the DS2. And because the Rebels have essentially brought *everything*, this major pyrrhic victory is ultimately a decisive victory for the Empire against the Rebel Alliance, but with so many resources having been lost with the destruction of DS2, the Empire is still left in an extremely vulnerable state, meaning other rebellions and factions can arise to fracture it even further (which is what happened in the old canon). And especially once Operation Cinder gets launched, those rebellions will start popping up all over the place.
Piett and Sloane were competent fleet commanders. However at Endor they were specifically instructed not to immediately destroy the Rebels, because the Emperor wanted them destroyed in a very specific way. The reason Piett didn’t destroy the Rebels in a naval engagement has nothing to do with his ability as an admiral and everything to do with his orders. So if Thrawn was in command, he would have been ordered not to engage the Rebels as well. Thrawn then would have been killed when the Executor went down, just as Piett was. The reason the Imperials lost the battle because was because Palpatine strictly ordered them not to engage the Rebel fleet when it came out of hyperspace and got them to fight defensively just so he could play whack a mole with his new toy and make Luke agitated.
@@raetekusu1 Or, Thrawn would've repeated his tactics over Lothal, and had a few hundred TIEs sitting in close proximity to the DS2 (under the shield); if the shield goes down, their whole job is to intercept any approaching fighters or ordinance. The TIEs in the battle had to react and give chase- facing a few wings coming at them as well would've put the Rebels in a very dicey position.
After playing Empire at War Mod Thrawn's Revenge I only had the Films as context of Star Wars lore and had no idea after the "Death of Sidious" The Empire didn't collapse fully it fractured. It also made me aware of so much Lore in the universe like Hapes Consortium etc that I had no idea existed.
Gets even more gnarly in the old EU. Imperial civil wars resulting in fully on Alexandrian successor states that had to be systematically dismantled by the New Republic over a period of ten years. Contrast that to the Disney universe in which the ENTIRE EMPIRE is gone within ONE friggin year.
there are still people like Moff Gideon around, it's just that Sloane managed to rally everyone to Jakku and then there was the purge at Akiva. There wasn't an Imperial Remnant anymore but there were still pockets of Imp power here and there holding out until the First Order.
You dont have the consistency which causes that people totally forget what you presented in the past episode and this is one of your greatest weaknesses in my eyes
I still find it funny how the empire lost. You have two superweapons in the battlefield, a DS and an executor. The executor alone would absolutely demolish this fleet, but Palpatine's arrogance is what caused his downfall.
Thank you Wizards and Warriors. I got become a patreon member. I so hope you do Babylon 5 lore. The Dilgar War, Earth-Minbari War, & the First & Second Shadow War , and the Earth Alliance Civil War. That Sci Fi does not get enough luv. Cheers!
These videos are great, I really love how you go into detail of the battles as we just get to see the heroes perspective and not what was happening in the whole picture, I'll be waiting for the next Star Wars Video !
What an amazing series and effort. I really do hope that you continue on and cover the rise of Admiral Thrawn. That would be amazing. But thank you guys nevertheless.
Im more or less disappointed with the way Disney handled Star Wars lore after the Battle of Endor with what feels like the Empire rolling over and dying where as Legends explains a whole faction/warlord period after the fact. It feels like a better story and explanation than what Disney gave us.
in the Disney lore they still have the warlords like Moff Gideon from the Mandalorian series, so it's not all gone. The difference is what happened in the New Repubic, which in Disney lore fractured between Centralist factions and the more liberal minded factions, leading to the First Order having inside help in making the galaxy chaotic and forcing Leia to quit her post and start the Resistance. In the Legends continuum we get the Imperial Remnant and warlords fighting each other and the Republic.
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Sinjer Rath Villus, was the name of the Imperial Loyalty Officer at the Shield Generator Base during the Battle of Endor. He was the sole survivor after the explosion, although it was never confirmed that he was planning on escaping during the fighting during the ground fight
And also Renegade Squadron would be a distraction on Sullest. When the diversion didn’t work Renegade Squadron rushed to the rescue. After the battle Renegade Squadron disbanded themselves. Renegade Squadron is one of several unsung heroes of the Rebellion
Another great video! It would be awesome if you'd make videos about some of the battles from the anime Legend of the Galactic Heroes like the Battle of Amritsar.
The Empire needed the big win. With the empire destroying Alderaan they make some many surrport the rebels. "Remember Alderaan" was not a justicfation for the rebels and a warning to others. Aftering destorying the deathstar, the rebels gain the myth that even if they lose they would come back stronger. Even the empire needed to bow to the political pressure they were getting.
No one ever talks about Ewoks casualties !!! Arrogant disregard of the sacrifice of those furry ursinoids !!! There were at least ten thousand dead in the Battle of Endor !! On average, each warband had a 85% casualty rate. Imagine all those mounds of burnt fur !!! Very underrated !! For the heroes of Bright Tree Village !!!
Emperor Palpatine gravely underestimated The Rebel Alliance and Luke Skywalker. He wasn't expecting that Anakin Skywalker would turn on him at the last moment.
They have to do a lore doc on the Knights of the Old Republic 1, 2 or Knights of the Fallen Empire someday. Either a rise and fall doc of Revan or any of the sith lords from those games.
Although Sidious created and baited the perfect trap to finally crush and destroy the rebellion, once and for all at endor. He made a few crucial mistakes that doomed it to defeat, he underestimated how the rebellion would respond to reveal of the death stars super laser being operation by going death or victory at death squadron to great effect, superiority of the rebel snubfighters and how his legion of his best troops being defeated by primative locals on endor leading to destruction of the shield generator.
@@ronjon7942 That is what happens when you underestimate an enemy to your cost. For which the buck stops with Sidious as had he listed to Thrawn in choice of one and his advice how to many the shield generator impregnable. Could have avoided such a humiliating defeat.
It's a shame that we didn't get to see the smaller operations mentioned in this video. It would've been nice to have seen them at least on the smaller screen.
Han Solo's strike team didn't use an AT-ST to destroy the shield generator base, they used its communication system to gain access to it. Then they rigged it with explosives that destroyed the shield generator.
Terrific video. Love it! I have the book, "Moving Target: A Princess Leia Story" and it's a wonderful telling of the events of operation "Yellow Moon," as the story is told by General Leia Organa of the Galactic Resistance during a required-for-posterity-intended memoirs dictating/recording of the by then famous and instrumental Galactic Civil War Leader of the Alliance.
Without the Ewoks being there to defeat an entire Legion of the Emperor's best troops the so-called "rebellion" would have faltered and been destroyed. May the Force always be with those brave, brave cannibalistic teddy bears.
@@SantomPh I knew someone would say that. Everything is going exactly as I have foreseen. Plus Chewie is like a big cousin to them and Liea told them they were her friends so it still counts.
Funny how much Disney's cannon sticks out in the story. You can always tell when their ideas pop up because the story becomes intermittently extra stupid
What's funny is the Frigate force of the rebel fleet as you described it is much like its equivalent from my standard rebel task group in Empire War Basic except for the lack of the non-canon Assault Frigates (eight to twelve Nebulon-Bs, and four DP20s or two DP20s and two Marauders, three Assault Frigate IIs and an MC80 as the flag. That said my main fleet usually consists of around half a dozen such groups, with three or four in a reserve fleet, and high priorty targets get hit with two or three such groups. I usually have two or three groups roaming as attack forces, and when an attack calls for more then one group pull extras out of my main fleet.)
"Piett... you fool!" The Emperor planned the strategy, but as the Admiral of the Fleet, it was Piett's responsibility to plan fleet tactics for the battle and counters for contingencies. Piett failed on both accounts. To start the battle, he threw away most of his fighter squadrons on an unsupported attack against the entire rebel fleet. So many pilots fell to crossfire between rebel fighters and flak from rebel capital ships, when rebel fleet engaged the imperial fleet at close range, there weren't enough imperial fighters left to screen the fleet. His flag ship was literally at the front line of the battle. Not only does direct participation in battle interfere with overall fleet command, it also made chain of command vulnerable to a decapitation strike, which happened. He never made any contingencies toward the possibility of the shield falling. By placing the fleet to the side of the death star, he effectively left the station completely vulnerable to fighter strikes. The Emperor might've been overconfident, but Piett's incompetence lost the battle.
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Thanks a bunch for airing this video. It made my day. Please don't let it be too long before you air you next Sci-Fi video. And also seriously consider doing a video series on the Star Trek Universe preferably "The War Against the Dominion" timeline. Now that would be great.
Great video! I look forward to more Star Wars!
@WizardsandWarriors May I see a complete Cannon and Legend Clone Wars timeline, please? Please also include plenty of space battles and more. I want to hear of Ahsoka Tano, too, please. I would appreciate a reply. Also, what is the music used in the conclusion of this video?
Despite ANH being overall my favorite Star Wars movie, ROTJ’s Battle of Endor is perhaps my favorite Star Wars moment period. It was a great showcase of just how far the ILM technology had come for the spectacle, and would be surpassed only by R1’s Battle of Scarif decades later.
It overall cemented my love for the spaceship side of Star Wars, with so many freaking X-Wings, Y-Wings, TIE Fighters and Star Destroyers, alongside even more ships like the A-Wings, B-Wings, TIE Fighters, and the Calimari cruisers.
Whatever was said and is possibly said about ROTJ being the “weak link” of the OT, Battle of Endor is a definite highlight.
Personally, Scarif manages to be just a hair short of being neck to neck with Endor for me. A large part is because of how much of Endor is still impressive and beats out most space battles before and since then.
Also, another reason is that it is Lando's big moment as his truest redemption. Not simply as him making up for his actions in ESB, but redeeming the person he always was but failed to be then:
Lando Calrissian, the legendary gambler. Played it safe and lost everything. Took three high risks here and all paid off handsomely.
@@reyonXIII bear in mind that Endor has been touched up, in terms of sfx, a few times since the original release
@@reyonXIII Meanwhile, Wedge runs thru the whole battle, once again takes the trench/tunnel, delivers part of the killing blow... and I'll bet he didn't get a medal this time either.
No V-wings though. Smh.
@@tigertank06 The Legends V-Wing or the Republic one?
"The emperor's made a critical error, and the time for our attack has come."--Mon Mothma
“It’s a trap!” - Admiral Ackbar, a few hours later
Manny Bothans died to bring us this information. RIP Manny, you brave soldier.
I will have the calamari- Mon Mothma.
Well thank you! I will have the insensitive b*tch, with a side of f*ck you! -Admiral Ackbar.
They needed a second shot that’s one in a million.
Palpatine didn't understand LOVE.
That's why he lost.
The trap and plan was perfect from the start. If Palpatine had just been able to control his obsession with Luke Skywalker for a couple of days and not put himself right in the middle of the trap that he'd set when the trap was perfectly appealing to the rebels without him, it would have been perfect
It all boils down to the fact that the Empire was founded on the power of the Dark Side, thus doomed from the start.
Everything proceeded as the Emperor foresaw. He had seen his death at Vader's hand and knew he would rise again. He even knew that he would die at the hands of Rey in the next trilogy. His plans perfectly played out in such a way that not even his true master, Darth Jar Jar, could have predicted.
It should also be noted that had Admiral Piett being allowed to engage the Rebel armada from the get go then the Imperial Fleet would have made short work of the Alliance's ships and crushed them. Had Palpatine not ordered him to just sit there and in so lose the initiative, this could have turned out to be a decisive victory for the Empire. Goes to show that Palpatine was his own worse enemy.
@@barbiquearea Or maybe you just can't understand the brilliance of his plans. Something.. something.. dark side.
The Endor trap was poorly researched. It failed because Palpatine never considered that the Rebels (and Anakin's children specifically) could bring skilled and warlike stone-age indigenes into their Alliance. That's sloppy prep.
There's no Star Wars battle more memorable than the Battle of Endor. The Imperials had the perfect ambush plan, and it all went awry, which led to the loss of not just Vader and Emperor Palpatine, but many of the Imperial naval leadership which was on the Executor when it crashed.
As Luke said to Palpatine: "Your overconfidence is your weakness"
@@Darkdaej”You’re faith in your friends is yours”
When you finish with the original trilogy I would love to see you cover The Clone Wars.
let them take their time. There are plenty of TH-cam videos on the Clone Wars' history.
I completely agree with you on that because I would like to see them do the battle of geonosis and also the stuff that happened before the phantom menace.
@@chasechristophermurraydola9314 I completely agree, especially when the galactic senate wasn't effective at all.
Great video but think you missed out some ships. A Barrack cruiser was there as well, its shown briefly in the film and z-95 head hunter fights was used. A escort ship was also there.
A video on the Clone Wars would be awesome, though thanks to the 2008 show, I think the war has already been covered excellently. Geonosis, Kamino, Anaxes, and Coruscant being some of the most significant battles.
The thought of the 501st legion getting wrekt by teddies bears is absolutely hilarious. 😆
oh how the mighty have fallen
That was the 501st? I thought the ewoks in general were some of the worst characters in general scifi. Their idiotic stick fighting pretty much killed any joy derived from the theater movies. C3PO, that floppy eared dingbat, and hamill portraying a masculine hero role also helped detract as well. Thank God for fan films and channels like this, because in general, the complex storyline is fantastic.
I really wish W&W did more Star Wars content, I absolutely adore this stuff
I wish they did more content of unknown wars
I wish they did events of the clone wars.
@@chasechristophermurraydola9314I wish they did events of the prequels
@@nursestoyland that’s what I am saying.
@@chasechristophermurraydola9314 oh I thought u meant the tv show
I'm sorry, Jaba the Hutt was not killed by the destruction of his sail barge by Skywalker and Calrissian. General Organa killed him, personally, after what is best described as a serrious case of sexual harassment.
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although Jabba passed out after being choked, the destruction of the sail barge confirmed his death. A slug like creature like a Hutt hardly has a neck to choke or breathe, when you think about it
I hope Leia became his slave for the rest of her life
@@direkramseychikboy9102 no, but she was his slave for the rest of _his_ life. That just wasn't very long.
Jabba died in a bondage episode.😂
You should absolutely do Legends stories like the Yuuzhan Vong, Dark Empire, the One Sith, or further back like the Infinite Empire, Hutt Empire, or the Old/High Republic era.
16:26 "Sir, we've lost the bridge deflector shields!"
"Intensify the forward batteries, I don't want anything to get through!"
16:31 *"INTENSIFY FORWARD FIREPOWER!"*
"AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!"
*"TOO LATE!"* (Executor bridge goes Ka-BOOOOOM!)
Oh Admiral Piett, a true hero to the Empire...
The Empire should really need to learn to stop putting all their faith on lonely superweapons. It didn't pan out for the Separatists during the Clone Wars, and it really isn't panning out for them.
That would involve better, more complex plots that cannot be handled in a 2 hour film.
I think the dark side has a Freudian obsession with giant balls and symbolic phallic objects... As do di many power trippers
@@rahowherox1177 , I think you're reading too far into it...
I agree, as did many Imperials. Thrawn was very concerned about lack of security during DS1’s construction. Another Grand Admiral (Savit) was equally concerned, realising that the station couldn’t operate indefinitely and that it was inevitable someone would eventually work out how to destroy it.
The empire is a giant bureaucracy where intimation and thinking outside the box is not exactly encouraged or rewarded
When I was in my x wing flying with red squadron I had a solid viewing at the Empires fleet, it was a crazy battle. I made multiple passes on one of the battle cruisers, firing my laser canon like crazy, I could explosions on the ship and adrenaline was really high. My auxiliary computer failed probably from a shrapnel hit, but I was lucky my secondary compute system was fully functional. I did my best to protect the rebel alliance that day, fortunately I lived thru the experience.
I was there too back in the day, were you the pilot who took out that tie interceptor chasing me under the belly of the executor?
One major thing you got wrong for the Battle of Endor was that the Rebel fleet was nearly 3x the size you listed, Ackbar and Mothma threw everything they had at the battle but I must say, wonderful video, can't wait for the Battle of Jakku!!
Don't listen to this channel. It's rebel propaganda I tell you!
Mon Mothma herself didn't join the fleet, jumping to a different location after making a speech.
@@SantomPh I never said she did lol but yes
And frankly, it depends on which source you want to believe; do you go with the "official Disney canon"? Legends/EU? The novelization? The movie? Cuz they each claim significantly different fleet compositions
@@Sephiroth144 ,
Do the movies even claim how big the fleets are? By my count there were over 30 Imperial Star Destroyers present... but I could barely count more than 20 Rebel Ships... and by ships I mean, everything larger than the Falcon...
Love to see you guys cover the Dominion War from Star Trek, the various wars and battles from Warcraft and starcraft, and of course the wars from the Star Wars expanded universe
Could you imagine how it would have been different if Thrawn had been at Endor instead of being lost in space?
Even he wouldn't have been immune to the Emperor's death and the sudden Battle Meditation cut off that's the reason everything fell apart after he died.
Long post is long, sorry in advance. I can't help myself.
See, I don't see the battle proceeding *much* differently for the most part until after the DS2 is destroyed. In the old canon, the Emperor's Battle Meditation wore off and all of the admirals suddenly lost all competence and the battle plan fell apart until Pellaeon gave the general retreat. New canon, the chain of command falls apart, Admiral Sloane sounds the general retreat immediately, and several Imperials follow orders.
For the battle itself, the Emperor's orders overrode GA Thrawn's, and the Emperor wanted to really drive home the hopelessness of the situation. Thrawn would have allowed the Star Destroyers to engage the Rebels, rather than simply sit around and do nothing while the superlaser was fired, but that would have been mostly irreconcilable to the Emperor's plans. So we must assume the battle plan is still for the DS2 to power up and kablooey the Calamari, and that the first stage of the battle proceeds the same, until Calrissian and Ackbar engage the SDs directly.
Also, bear in mind, Thrawn was a Grand ADMIRAL, meaning his expertise was in space battles, and thus the ground battle would likely have remained the same, so let's assume it does. Solo's team destroys the Shield Generator and the DS2 is still rendered vulnerable.
The initial setup was excellent. Bait the rebels in, then slam the door shut on them. However, the Interdictor SDs at Endor were concentrated within the fleet, so escape was an option. IIRC the DS2 had gravity well projectors of its own, which would force all starships to fly out of range before they could jump. Snub fighters could easily escape, but the DS2 and ISDs would pick off capital ships while they fled, decimating the force. I believe this was the idea. Make the Rebels abandon all hope, decimate, and escape.
Thrawn would have stationed the Interdictors with guards at key points to make sure that escape wasn't an option at all and the DS2 could pick all capital ships off, not just a few. He also likely would have kept TIE squadrons ready aboard the DS2 in case of shield failure and would have scrambled them around the DS2's entry points once the shield went down because the Empire deliberately left the weaknesses vulnerable to allow the Rebels to believe in the possibility of victory, under the assumption that the shield generator wouldn't fall. Remember, no TIE-Defenders, that program got shut down in favor of the DS1.
I think the Rebels still would have destroyed the DS2, mainly due to the Emperor's own bait proving to be his downfall. Calrissian and Rogue Squadron were too good of pilots to be taken down by average TIE pilots, no matter how well-positioned. However, once the Emperor was dead and GA Thrawn took over leading all naval forces, I do believe he would have leveraged his numerical superiority and found a way to salvage a tactical victory from the battle in spite of the destruction of the DS2. And because the Rebels have essentially brought *everything*, this major pyrrhic victory is ultimately a decisive victory for the Empire against the Rebel Alliance, but with so many resources having been lost with the destruction of DS2, the Empire is still left in an extremely vulnerable state, meaning other rebellions and factions can arise to fracture it even further (which is what happened in the old canon). And especially once Operation Cinder gets launched, those rebellions will start popping up all over the place.
Piett and Sloane were competent fleet commanders. However at Endor they were specifically instructed not to immediately destroy the Rebels, because the Emperor wanted them destroyed in a very specific way. The reason Piett didn’t destroy the Rebels in a naval engagement has nothing to do with his ability as an admiral and everything to do with his orders.
So if Thrawn was in command, he would have been ordered not to engage the Rebels as well. Thrawn then would have been killed when the Executor went down, just as Piett was.
The reason the Imperials lost the battle because was because Palpatine strictly ordered them not to engage the Rebel fleet when it came out of hyperspace and got them to fight defensively just so he could play whack a mole with his new toy and make Luke agitated.
@@raetekusu1 Or, Thrawn would've repeated his tactics over Lothal, and had a few hundred TIEs sitting in close proximity to the DS2 (under the shield); if the shield goes down, their whole job is to intercept any approaching fighters or ordinance. The TIEs in the battle had to react and give chase- facing a few wings coming at them as well would've put the Rebels in a very dicey position.
He was a genius, it would have been a disaster almost certainly.
I literally just rewatched episode VI yesterday and now this?! Hell yeah!!
After playing Empire at War Mod Thrawn's Revenge I only had the Films as context of Star Wars lore and had no idea after the "Death of Sidious" The Empire didn't collapse fully it fractured. It also made me aware of so much Lore in the universe like Hapes Consortium etc that I had no idea existed.
Gets even more gnarly in the old EU.
Imperial civil wars resulting in fully on Alexandrian successor states that had to be systematically dismantled by the New Republic over a period of ten years.
Contrast that to the Disney universe in which the ENTIRE EMPIRE is gone within ONE friggin year.
there are still people like Moff Gideon around, it's just that Sloane managed to rally everyone to Jakku and then there was the purge at Akiva. There wasn't an Imperial Remnant anymore but there were still pockets of Imp power here and there holding out until the First Order.
@@Schniedragon88 Thrawn's Revenge is based on the EU, FYI
@@SantomPh Don’t forget that Admiral Thrawn is still lurking.
@@Schniedragon88 I'll never understand why Disney did that.
PLEASE finish up this series leading up to the Battle of Jakku!
You dont have the consistency which causes that people totally forget what you presented in the past episode and this is one of your greatest weaknesses in my eyes
I still find it funny how the empire lost. You have two superweapons in the battlefield, a DS and an executor. The executor alone would absolutely demolish this fleet, but Palpatine's arrogance is what caused his downfall.
"Skywalker managed to get off with Vader in time"...
That took an unexpected turn!
Lol
The Rebel Fleet charging the Imperial Fleet reminds me of the Battle off of Samar during WW2 (part of the Battle of Leyte Gulf).
Does that make the Falcon, USS Johnston?
@@Fuse1990and the Executor (or the DS2) Yamato?
@@nursestoyland the executor as Yamato makes sense when you consider DS2 could be the Philippines
@@Fuse1990 or Endor itself
Thank you Wizards and Warriors. I got become a patreon member. I so hope you do Babylon 5 lore. The Dilgar War, Earth-Minbari War, & the First & Second Shadow War , and the Earth Alliance Civil War. That Sci Fi does not get enough luv. Cheers!
Next Star Wars episode idea for this channel if possible: The Outer Rim Sieges, Order 66 and the end of The Clone Wars in one full documentary.
Us when he forgot about Captain Rex: *It’s treason, then.*
But this is still a great video!
Galaan looks nearly identical to Pluto, of our own Sol System.
Pluto is now officially Canon, thank you Wizards And Warriors!
I cannot get over how all the liberty cruisers are upside down
These videos are great, I really love how you go into detail of the battles as we just get to see the heroes perspective and not what was happening in the whole picture, I'll be waiting for the next Star Wars Video !
i cant be the only one who would love to see a series on the clone wars
Yeah, we want to see the Clone Wars
What an amazing series and effort. I really do hope that you continue on and cover the rise of Admiral Thrawn. That would be amazing. But thank you guys nevertheless.
I love the narration and animations of these Star Wars videos. Keep them coming, please!
Great video, I love the effects this is one of the best Sci Fi battles ever.
I love this series, it provides extra context to the already well known and loved stories
Hearing the 501st Legion brings back Battlefront 2 campaign memories
Im more or less disappointed with the way Disney handled Star Wars lore after the Battle of Endor with what feels like the Empire rolling over and dying where as Legends explains a whole faction/warlord period after the fact. It feels like a better story and explanation than what Disney gave us.
in the Disney lore they still have the warlords like Moff Gideon from the Mandalorian series, so it's not all gone. The difference is what happened in the New Repubic, which in Disney lore fractured between Centralist factions and the more liberal minded factions, leading to the First Order having inside help in making the galaxy chaotic and forcing Leia to quit her post and start the Resistance. In the Legends continuum we get the Imperial Remnant and warlords fighting each other and the Republic.
I hate the First Order. Its such a pathetic organization.
This was a great video, thanks guys! Are there any plans to cover other space operas like Star Trek, The Expanse or Mass Effect?
Your galactic map has several issues with it- but amazing video. The documentary style is 10/10 and very professionally made.
Hopefully this series is going to continue in legends
This series is awesome. We need more fantasy and science fiction series. Your fan from Sri Lanka. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. We know it takes a lot of time and hard work to make these videos. Brilliant. 🇱🇰🤝🏴
Love all your videos! I know it’s not canon anymore but I’d love a breakdown of the Thrawn Campaign from the legends material.
Sinjer Rath Villus, was the name of the Imperial Loyalty Officer at the Shield Generator Base during the Battle of Endor. He was the sole survivor after the explosion, although it was never confirmed that he was planning on escaping during the fighting during the ground fight
This channel is a little gem
What annoys me of star wars is how often someone gets captured and escapes..... repeatedly
Chilling recap of this great battle. Thanks!!
" The Collapse of the Empire and The Ascendancy of the New republic"
At last, this channel has a proper video. Thanks.
Can you guys please cover Legends material soon? I wanna see The Second Galactic Civil War covered in all its glory.
Pluto! Glad to see you’re finally a planet. 6:36
As always love your Videos
Hope you guys can try doing Warhammer 40k battles
Maybe the fall of cadia
Or starcraft with the zero wars
Been waiting for this one.
Please cover the Butlerian Jihad
And also Renegade Squadron would be a distraction on Sullest. When the diversion didn’t work Renegade Squadron rushed to the rescue. After the battle Renegade Squadron disbanded themselves. Renegade Squadron is one of several unsung heroes of the Rebellion
Excellent presentation! Kudos! Had to subscribe to your channel!
I just found this channel. These videos are awesome and have lots of close details of all these epic battles :)
Great video, i hope some time you could cover the legends version of this battle.
Since the original trilogy is close to finishing, it's make me excited for a clone war series
Post-civil war will be very interestig.
Loving the starwars videos. Animation is great!
Another great video! It would be awesome if you'd make videos about some of the battles from the anime Legend of the Galactic Heroes like the Battle of Amritsar.
The Empire needed the big win. With the empire destroying Alderaan they make some many surrport the rebels. "Remember Alderaan" was not a justicfation for the rebels and a warning to others. Aftering destorying the deathstar, the rebels gain the myth that even if they lose they would come back stronger. Even the empire needed to bow to the political pressure they were getting.
No one ever talks about Ewoks casualties !!! Arrogant disregard of the sacrifice of those furry ursinoids !!! There were at least ten thousand dead in the Battle of Endor !! On average, each warband had a 85% casualty rate. Imagine all those mounds of burnt fur !!! Very underrated !!
For the heroes of Bright Tree Village !!!
Those annoying ankle biters ruined the movie for me. Turned what could have been an epic film into a mockery.
Fantastic blow-by-blow of the battle. Very enjoyable, and nostalgic, to see. Keep it up W&W!
Emperor Palpatine gravely underestimated The Rebel Alliance and Luke Skywalker. He wasn't expecting that Anakin Skywalker would turn on him at the last moment.
Hope you’ll do Star Trek soon. :) Especially the Dominion Wars.
Make sure you cover the Battle of Jakku too 😊
They have to do a lore doc on the Knights of the Old Republic 1, 2 or Knights of the Fallen Empire someday. Either a rise and fall doc of Revan or any of the sith lords from those games.
Please make a series on the One Year War from Mobile Suit Gundam
Although Sidious created and baited the perfect trap to finally crush and destroy the rebellion, once and for all at endor. He made a few crucial mistakes that doomed it to defeat, he underestimated how the rebellion would respond to reveal of the death stars super laser being operation by going death or victory at death squadron to great effect, superiority of the rebel snubfighters and how his legion of his best troops being defeated by primative locals on endor leading to destruction of the shield generator.
The 50st getting wacked by stick wielding ankle biters ruined it for me.
@@ronjon7942 That is what happens when you underestimate an enemy to your cost. For which the buck stops with Sidious as had he listed to Thrawn in choice of one and his advice how to many the shield generator impregnable. Could have avoided such a humiliating defeat.
It's a shame that we didn't get to see the smaller operations mentioned in this video. It would've been nice to have seen them at least on the smaller screen.
ngl I still miss the Shadows of the Empire + X-Wing Alliance part of the storyline.
And that's why we use the date of ABY
Whats the music @ 10:40 it's so epic!
Han Solo's strike team didn't use an AT-ST to destroy the shield generator base, they used its communication system to gain access to it. Then they rigged it with explosives that destroyed the shield generator.
Id love to see a video like this with the different wars in the Command and Conquer series from both perspectives
Love the video you need to do more Star Wars like the battle of jakku
Been waiting for this. So excited
Terrific video. Love it! I have the book, "Moving Target: A Princess Leia Story" and it's a wonderful telling of the events of operation "Yellow Moon," as the story is told by General Leia Organa of the Galactic Resistance during a required-for-posterity-intended memoirs dictating/recording of the by then famous and instrumental Galactic Civil War Leader of the Alliance.
Thank you. Excellent work.
Could you do a video on the Dominion War from DS9?
I hope you also cover the Clone Wars! :D
Without the Ewoks being there to defeat an entire Legion of the Emperor's best troops the so-called "rebellion" would have faltered and been destroyed. May the Force always be with those brave, brave cannibalistic teddy bears.
they don't eat each other, so they are not cannibalistic
@@SantomPh I knew someone would say that. Everything is going exactly as I have foreseen. Plus Chewie is like a big cousin to them and Liea told them they were her friends so it still counts.
Great video, and a cool sponsor!
Galaan: *looks like heart-stamped Pluto*
Also Galaan: LOL it's a trap
It almost seems like Sidious lost most of his intellect after the prequels.
Probably the lightning reflected back at him by Windu
Umm. all the Mon Calamari MC80 Liberty type Star Cruiser's ship models are upside down
Funny how much Disney's cannon sticks out in the story. You can always tell when their ideas pop up because the story becomes intermittently extra stupid
Was it the volcano exploding a ship?
Do Babylon 5! And loving this series! Keep up the great work!
Will you go into Legends?
thank you this was amazing
Did anyone else notice the Liberty cruisers were upside down the whole time? 😂
This is amazing thanks for this (:
What's funny is the Frigate force of the rebel fleet as you described it is much like its equivalent from my standard rebel task group in Empire War Basic except for the lack of the non-canon Assault Frigates (eight to twelve Nebulon-Bs, and four DP20s or two DP20s and two Marauders, three Assault Frigate IIs and an MC80 as the flag. That said my main fleet usually consists of around half a dozen such groups, with three or four in a reserve fleet, and high priorty targets get hit with two or three such groups. I usually have two or three groups roaming as attack forces, and when an attack calls for more then one group pull extras out of my main fleet.)
Nice job with the battle animation
Why are the Liberty´s up side down?
Yes! More star wars battles!
Oh My God!
LMAO at that Leia picture/card ----> 06:24
She looks as if she just realized Luke was her brother after they kissed. 🤣
mannn this was so well done
"Piett... you fool!" The Emperor planned the strategy, but as the Admiral of the Fleet, it was Piett's responsibility to plan fleet tactics for the battle and counters for contingencies. Piett failed on both accounts. To start the battle, he threw away most of his fighter squadrons on an unsupported attack against the entire rebel fleet. So many pilots fell to crossfire between rebel fighters and flak from rebel capital ships, when rebel fleet engaged the imperial fleet at close range, there weren't enough imperial fighters left to screen the fleet. His flag ship was literally at the front line of the battle. Not only does direct participation in battle interfere with overall fleet command, it also made chain of command vulnerable to a decapitation strike, which happened. He never made any contingencies toward the possibility of the shield falling. By placing the fleet to the side of the death star, he effectively left the station completely vulnerable to fighter strikes. The Emperor might've been overconfident, but Piett's incompetence lost the battle.
I would love to see your coverage of Legends Thrawn campaign.