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Fabulous test. Bear Creek Ballistics make these bullets as reloading components and I've been using their 240 HV 450 Bushmaster pointed bullets in my bolt action. 2500 fps w/ 18" barrel. Accuracy and performance from a great company.
This load mimics my hand load using the Hornady 140 grain flex tip at 2525 fps. It may not look like much in ballistics gel, but it does a number on white tail out to about 200 yards. I expect these will do just as well, if not better. Tailored with the right powder you can get 2600 out of a 16” barrel. Awesome job brother! Keep em coming.
This is the test i have been waiting for! Going to take my daughter out for her first hunting season this fall. I'm new to the 350 legend and have wondered about this ammo. Thanks!
Everyone needs to remember that the wound channels in the Clear Ballistics gel do not represent what they would actually look like in natural ballistic gelatin OR real live tissue. The wound cavities in live tissue are much more traumatic. Speaking from experience.
I was wondering. Wasn’t happy with the cheap Winchester ammo so I actually just bought some of the 140gr bear creek ammo. I like the speed for longer shots. I also thought the faster speed would lead to bigger “impact” even with slightly lighter round. Anxious to get the ammo and try it first hand. Have never felt “underpowered” until I bought this 350. Hunting with .30-06 and .308 my whole life, got the 350 for my wife and just like how small and lightweight it is.
Yep. Gel is a means to have a standard testing media that is comparable to real tissue. It is not meant to be an analog of real tissue, and does not account for bones it may shatter which make their own wound tracks, and other factors
It really just depends on what you value in the load. When they shift to copper bullets it eats up some case capacity, I think thats why the 160's might be a little slower than the hornady custom 165gr. I get 2250fps in my 12.5".
Glad to see some BCB gel tests. Don’t see many of those. Been using their 225 grain 44 magnum ammo for a couple of years in a CVA single shot rifle and they do put down deer. Always enjoy your ammo tests.
Love the 350 legend ballistic gel tests. It really helps when researching new ammo to try in my 350. Am still hoping to see the hornady custom 165 gr. FTX in 350 legend soon?
I have taken around 20 wild hogs with the 160 grain round nose using a AR style hunting rifle 16 inch barrel. Mostly head shots, maybe 8 body hits. I only recovered 2 bullets , But Both looked exactly like your Gel Block shot bullets. I must add that I hunt thick woods. Most shots 15 to 20 yards..But have shot 6 or 7 between 45 and 70 yards. I tried 4 other loads of factory Ammo At the gun range. The Bear Creek 160 grain was the most accurate ammo thru my 16 inch Faxon AR barrel. 3 days ago I ordered some 200 grain 450 Bushmaster ammo from Bear Creek Ballistics
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I would buy several brands of hunting ammo and see which groups best. My 20" CVA Scout seemed to like Win Power Point 180 gr a tiny bit better than several others, but I wound up taking a deer last season with the 150 gr Copper XP. I high shoulder everything and it dropped like a rock, no kick or quiver, slight quartering to at 75 yards. Could not find entrance wound until skinned - a literal pinprick, but exit was about nickel size. The 170 gr Barnes hollow point should also hammer them. If these Bear Creek were comparably priced, I could see them doing the same. I am looking to try the Hornady 250 gr. Sub-X on a hog or deer this season. Good luck this season.
I use the 160gr powermaxx in 350 legend and haven’t been disappointed yet. I used the 170gr hornaday whitetail for a year and did not like the performanc.
I also used the 170 gr hornady and had poor results. This summer switched to the 165 gr FTX and it was like night and day. 5 of 8 dropped in there tracks 2 of them at or slightly over 200 yds.
Lets see some group testing next! I just received my 2 boxes of 140 gr round nose this week. Hopefully my ruger american predator likes them with the longer barrel.
I shoot more than 99% of hunters and have trained with the US Army Marksmanship Unit, amongst other experience, showing my groups if I were actually trying for precision would lead to unrealistic expectations, and heaven forbid if I don’t shoot some wildly tight group with ammo A, B, or C, uncle Joe and all the other morons who can’t shoot well consistently to save their lives (they accidentally shot a 1/2” group one time with Corelokt) wouldn’t be able to stop commenting about how bad I suck… group size and hunting ammo is largely useless information, it all shoots plenty good enough for it’s intended purpose.
Pretty sweet test results considering everything. I moved to Ohio this time last year and need a straight wall cartridge rifle unless I just stick with my CVA inline muzzleloader for this season. I would prefer a lever gun especially in 360 Buckhammer but they’re expensive and I am hoping that Henry makes their All Weather in 360 BH. In the meantime I was thinking about a less expensive bolt action rifle in either 350 Legend, 400 Legend or 450 Bushmaster. I am not recoil sensitive so the 450 BM would work, but I want a left hand rifle and it’s easier to find a sub $700 rifle in 350 L as well as the ammo (which is why 400 L is currently out even though it is the one I prefer). I am waiting for the new Savage Axis 2 Pro in left hand to arrive at stores. So I would have to use the BC 160 RNs or another ammo which would be fine with me in that rifle with its 18 in barrel. 😃🦌🐻🐗
I have a fair collection of firearms and afar as rifles I've seen nothing in the last 10 years that gets me excited to I got to have one of them. what I would love to see is a 38 or 40 cal 165gr to 220 from 2900 -165gr.up to 2600 - 200gr. just a thought.😊 papa wishing you well
The ESs & SDs of these rival or beat my best handloads in any caliber. Nice. btw, I have Axis and AR in .350 Legend but no favorite, or favorite load yet for either one.
So which round would you call your favorite for whitetail hunting, out of the 350 legend. I’ve been watching your test and curious of your final opinion after all them compared to each other
Hey man, I cast a 200 grain bullet for my 350 Legend that actually drops about 212 grain with gas check. I’m shooting those at 2140 fps with no pressure signs in my rifle. I can send some to test if u would like.
350 Legend velocity isn’t affected by barrel length nearly as much as many other cartridges. It maintains effective velocity with barrels down to 12 inches and isn’t increased by significantly material amounts throughout its barrel length range up to and beyond 24”. The point of the 350 Legend is to sell rifles in states requiring straight wall cartridges for deer hunting.
@@masonleather_outdoors mmmhhh, ok, but lets remember the reason for straight wall cartridges mainly is where they are used vs population density, ie, hunters hunting in close proximity to property lines or buildings and other structures. If the 350 doesn't have a large wound cavity on impact isnt the deer capibilities of running onto another property greatly increased? I know this situation exists because I see or hear of it happening every year. I myself use the Winchester 30-30 hollow points on deer if I want them to drop on the spot, the wound channel is massive within 2 inches of impact. Hell maybe I have this all wrong anyways. Just some thoughts.
For an all-copper bullet, I'm not very impressed with the penetration compared to .30-30, which is what 350 Legend is supposed to roughly mimic for people who live in straight-wall cartridge states. The difference in frontal surface area could have played a part in that, but still. Of note: last year, Vortex got an incredible 35 3/8 inches of penetration by shooting 350 Legend with 170 grain Hornady American Whitetail. I'm not sure why these Bear Creek bullets didn't penetrate more, if not much more than they did. Especially considering they are all-copper bullets with high weight retention. If these actually performed better than most other 350 Legend loadings you have tested, that's good for 350 Legend owners, but I'll stick with .30-30. Or if I do buy a .35 caliber straight-wall gun it'll be 360 Buckhammer (actually high on the list) using Hammer all-copper bullets. Regardless, good video as always. There's always something to be learned from the results of every test, whether good or bad, that can help inform people about their purchasing decisions. 👍
They've been extremely deadly here in the straight wall zone in Michigan. Partially because the bear creek ballistics shop is located in Leroy Michigan.
350 legend is trash, it headspaces off the mouth of the case, a paper thin bit of soft brass. Not difficult to force over insertion on accident making a stuck case and no/light primer strike. Basically the round can be pushed in too far.
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Fabulous test. Bear Creek Ballistics make these bullets as reloading components and I've been using their 240 HV 450 Bushmaster pointed bullets in my bolt action. 2500 fps w/ 18" barrel. Accuracy and performance from a great company.
I appreciate your gel and chronograph tests. Thanks.
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This load mimics my hand load using the Hornady 140 grain flex tip at 2525 fps. It may not look like much in ballistics gel, but it does a number on white tail out to about 200 yards. I expect these will do just as well, if not better. Tailored with the right powder you can get 2600 out of a 16” barrel. Awesome job brother! Keep em coming.
Great results. Deer getter. No complaints. Thank you.
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This is the test i have been waiting for! Going to take my daughter out for her first hunting season this fall. I'm new to the 350 legend and have wondered about this ammo. Thanks!
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been waiting for someone to test this Ammo! Thank you. Looks like its as good as advertised!
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Everyone needs to remember that the wound channels in the Clear Ballistics gel do not represent what they would actually look like in natural ballistic gelatin OR real live tissue. The wound cavities in live tissue are much more traumatic. Speaking from experience.
I was wondering. Wasn’t happy with the cheap Winchester ammo so I actually just bought some of the 140gr bear creek ammo. I like the speed for longer shots. I also thought the faster speed would lead to bigger “impact” even with slightly lighter round. Anxious to get the ammo and try it first hand. Have never felt “underpowered” until I bought this 350. Hunting with .30-06 and .308 my whole life, got the 350 for my wife and just like how small and lightweight it is.
Yep. Gel is a means to have a standard testing media that is comparable to real tissue. It is not meant to be an analog of real tissue, and does not account for bones it may shatter which make their own wound tracks, and other factors
Bones , hide , hair , ext , very different but still very useful.
Love the video thank you! Can’t wait for the 450 bushmaster bear creek ballistics video!!
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Thanks for doing these man, they have a great reputation but I haven’t seen them in ballistics gel until now.
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It really just depends on what you value in the load. When they shift to copper bullets it eats up some case capacity, I think thats why the 160's might be a little slower than the hornady custom 165gr. I get 2250fps in my 12.5".
Glad to see some BCB gel tests. Don’t see many of those. Been using their 225 grain 44 magnum ammo for a couple of years in a CVA single shot rifle and they do put down deer. Always enjoy your ammo tests.
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Thanks!
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Once again nice video Mason 👍👍
This video drove me to purchase from them. Great job!
Love the 350 legend ballistic gel tests. It really helps when researching new ammo to try in my 350. Am still hoping to see the hornady custom 165 gr. FTX in 350 legend soon?
That video is already available to channel members 👍🏼
@@masonleather_outdoors when will the video be released?
As always, great presentation.😊
Fine Caliber For Closer Distances.
I have taken around 20 wild hogs with the 160 grain round nose using a AR style hunting rifle 16 inch barrel. Mostly head shots, maybe 8 body hits. I only recovered 2 bullets , But Both looked exactly like your Gel Block shot bullets. I must add that I hunt thick woods. Most shots 15 to 20 yards..But have shot 6 or 7 between 45 and 70 yards. I tried 4 other loads of factory Ammo At the gun range. The Bear Creek 160 grain was the most accurate ammo thru my 16 inch Faxon AR barrel. 3 days ago I ordered some 200 grain 450 Bushmaster ammo from Bear Creek Ballistics
I would love to see bear creeks 450 bushmaster loads tested
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400 legend next !!
So out of all the 350 legend brands and loads. What are you using to kill a white tail? I just purchased a Ruger American Gen II 20 inch barrel
I don’t use 350 Legend for deer hunting, but if I did any of these would be a great option
I would buy several brands of hunting ammo and see which groups best. My 20" CVA Scout seemed to like Win Power Point 180 gr a tiny bit better than several others, but I wound up taking a deer last season with the 150 gr Copper XP. I high shoulder everything and it dropped like a rock, no kick or quiver, slight quartering to at 75 yards. Could not find entrance wound until skinned - a literal pinprick, but exit was about nickel size. The 170 gr Barnes hollow point should also hammer them. If these Bear Creek were comparably priced, I could see them doing the same. I am looking to try the Hornady 250 gr. Sub-X on a hog or deer this season.
Good luck this season.
I use the 160gr powermaxx in 350 legend and haven’t been disappointed yet. I used the 170gr hornaday whitetail for a year and did not like the performanc.
I also used the 170 gr hornady and had poor results. This summer switched to the 165 gr FTX and it was like night and day. 5 of 8 dropped in there tracks 2 of them at or slightly over 200 yds.
Underwood 170 gr. Triple Shocks work beautifully and are very accurate out of my Howa mini bolt
Awesome!!
Absolutely!
Excellent On Wild Hogs. However There Are Many Better Choices.
Have you tested the 170gr tsx loaded by underwood ammo?
No
Lets see some group testing next! I just received my 2 boxes of 140 gr round nose this week. Hopefully my ruger american predator likes them with the longer barrel.
I shoot more than 99% of hunters and have trained with the US Army Marksmanship Unit, amongst other experience, showing my groups if I were actually trying for precision would lead to unrealistic expectations, and heaven forbid if I don’t shoot some wildly tight group with ammo A, B, or C, uncle Joe and all the other morons who can’t shoot well consistently to save their lives (they accidentally shot a 1/2” group one time with Corelokt) wouldn’t be able to stop commenting about how bad I suck… group size and hunting ammo is largely useless information, it all shoots plenty good enough for it’s intended purpose.
How do they match up with The Barns 170 ?
Nice! I'd love to see how the new 62 grain Hornady ELD VT does in gel.
Pretty sweet test results considering everything.
I moved to Ohio this time last year and need a straight wall cartridge rifle unless I just stick with my CVA inline muzzleloader for this season. I would prefer a lever gun especially in 360 Buckhammer but they’re expensive and I am hoping that Henry makes their All Weather in 360 BH. In the meantime I was thinking about a less expensive bolt action rifle in either 350 Legend, 400 Legend or 450 Bushmaster. I am not recoil sensitive so the 450 BM would work, but I want a left hand rifle and it’s easier to find a sub $700 rifle in 350 L as well as the ammo (which is why 400 L is currently out even though it is the one I prefer). I am waiting for the new Savage Axis 2 Pro in left hand to arrive at stores. So I would have to use the BC 160 RNs or another ammo which would be fine with me in that rifle with its 18 in barrel. 😃🦌🐻🐗
I use a CVA Scout Pistol 350 Legend 14". I might get some of the single feed ammo
I’d think that would be a great choice, and 350 Legend is an excellent cartridge for shorter barrels like break action pistols.
Id love to see the lehigh defense extreme penetrator compared to the rest of the 350 legend offerings
I have a fair collection of firearms and afar as rifles I've seen nothing in the last 10 years that gets me excited to I got to have one of them. what I would love to see is a 38 or 40 cal 165gr to 220 from 2900 -165gr.up to 2600 - 200gr. just a thought.😊 papa wishing you well
Is there any chance of you testing SST versus accutips in either 20 or 12 gauge?
The ESs & SDs of these rival or beat my best handloads in any caliber. Nice. btw, I have Axis and AR in .350 Legend but no favorite, or favorite load yet for either one.
Are you going to get a new box of Hornady Black 150gr 350 legend to test before deer season?
No, I’ve got 100 videos filmed already to edit and get scheduled
So which round would you call your favorite for whitetail hunting, out of the 350 legend. I’ve been watching your test and curious of your final opinion after all them compared to each other
Based solely on these test results, any of the Bear Creek loads, the Barnes TSX 170 or the Winchester POWERMAX Bonded or Defender.
Cant get much more consistent than this though. I dont have a 350 legend,but im going to look at bear creek for loads in calibers i own
I've used the 160 gr ammo it's good 💩
Outstanding
Hey man, I cast a 200 grain bullet for my 350 Legend that actually drops about 212 grain with gas check. I’m shooting those at 2140 fps with no pressure signs in my rifle. I can send some to test if u would like.
For many reasons, I do not accept anything from outside parties.
What mold is that, Brad?
@@jasonshults368 RCBS 35-200. It’s for the 35 Remington that comes out at .358, but I size them down to .356.
@@masonleather_outdoors Not even bullets? Not loaded ammo.
Nothing
So if there isnt a quick energy dump/ large cavity then whats the point of the .350? Or is that due to barrel length?
350 Legend velocity isn’t affected by barrel length nearly as much as many other cartridges. It maintains effective velocity with barrels down to 12 inches and isn’t increased by significantly material amounts throughout its barrel length range up to and beyond 24”.
The point of the 350 Legend is to sell rifles in states requiring straight wall cartridges for deer hunting.
@@masonleather_outdoors mmmhhh, ok, but lets remember the reason for straight wall cartridges mainly is where they are used vs population density, ie, hunters hunting in close proximity to property lines or buildings and other structures. If the 350 doesn't have a large wound cavity on impact isnt the deer capibilities of running onto another property greatly increased? I know this situation exists because I see or hear of it happening every year. I myself use the Winchester 30-30 hollow points on deer if I want them to drop on the spot, the wound channel is massive within 2 inches of impact. Hell maybe I have this all wrong anyways. Just some thoughts.
Ppllleeeeeeeaaaasssse do a video on the new Federal Fusion tipped in .30-06!!!!!!!
We need the new rem. Corelokt 180 and the new nosler 180
For an all-copper bullet, I'm not very impressed with the penetration compared to .30-30, which is what 350 Legend is supposed to roughly mimic for people who live in straight-wall cartridge states. The difference in frontal surface area could have played a part in that, but still. Of note: last year, Vortex got an incredible 35 3/8 inches of penetration by shooting 350 Legend with 170 grain Hornady American Whitetail. I'm not sure why these Bear Creek bullets didn't penetrate more, if not much more than they did. Especially considering they are all-copper bullets with high weight retention.
If these actually performed better than most other 350 Legend loadings you have tested, that's good for 350 Legend owners, but I'll stick with .30-30. Or if I do buy a .35 caliber straight-wall gun it'll be 360 Buckhammer (actually high on the list) using Hammer all-copper bullets.
Regardless, good video as always. There's always something to be learned from the results of every test, whether good or bad, that can help inform people about their purchasing decisions. 👍
What’s the big deal with Bear Creek? Why have so many requested this?
The results speak for themselves
They've been extremely deadly here in the straight wall zone in Michigan. Partially because the bear creek ballistics shop is located in Leroy Michigan.
u need to get a 35remington
I’ve had one for years. There’s dozens of calibers and hundreds if not thousands of loads to get through.
You fight clubbing? I noticed a shiner (black eye)
There’s no black eye
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If it's a legend (leg end) then it should be called the .350 butt or the .350 ankle.
350 legend is trash, it headspaces off the mouth of the case, a paper thin bit of soft brass. Not difficult to force over insertion on accident making a stuck case and no/light primer strike. Basically the round can be pushed in too far.