I absolutely disagree with anything N ° 1 Everyone says that the two-t bike is more fun. But it is complicated to exploit especially in the use of the engine (because it is not a motorbike for neophytes) So if you want fun you should get a 250F. Also because it is he who says it gives you more security and stability. So a light and ballerina bike is certainly no longer fun. N2 ° Ordinary maintenance. Absolutely the two t and more complicated only x the carburetion speech. Mixing is a bummer and if you forget .. So another error of the type. In that extraordinary one obviously wins the two t. (Which is better) N3 ° What bike to use in the race? I repeat the two t you have to know how to exploit it so if factory a 400 two t it would certainly be stronger if brought by a pro. Lapucci demonstrates daily. So the guy pays the "two seconds per lap" because he can't take advantage of a motorcycle (needless to say 15 years obsolete ..) 4th Ground Lapucci, or whoever goes fast for him, has shown that even on the asphalt the two t is more than competitive. Summing up. Like Covid. Unfortunately people on the web can say what they want and unfortunately many do not know how to understand the truth .. The guy contradicted himself several times. See maintenance or ease / fun.
I recently started riding, and my dad had a 2000 yz125 so I started out on that. And yesterday I just got a 2001 yz125 so we can go ride together. So personally, gotta love the 2 stroke. Love the noise, love the feeling.
I'm 27 and I tried my first ever motocross race recently on an rm250 and came 3rd in C grade thanks to a lot of information from this channel. Would love to try a 4 stoke on a track so I could chime in. Keep up the vids guys 👍
That front wheel only landing at 3:18 is impressive! I am a noob 52 year old two stroke rider. The powerband pull and associated sound is intoxicating. It is difficult to find traction on slippery, slidey terrain, though.
More stable! 💯 Always feel planted when turning on the 4 stroke. 2 strokes fun as hell. But when you lean over to turn the back wheel doesnt feel planted and feels like it wants to slide out.
I’m 50 years old and have only ever had 2 strokes 250 and 500’s, and swore I’d never own a 4 stroke.. Until I rode a friends RMZ 450 2012 model, I was hooked, yes the 2 stroke sound is king! But at my age now and the old aches trying to hold on to a 2 stroke it’s a lot of work. I still own a YZ 250 but I ride my 4 stroke 95% of the time, heaps of grunt but usable and I’m not stuffed after an hour riding. Love it! Also I think the 4 stroke sounds awesome also.
Yep, very well said! My primary riders are an ‘06 YZ450F and an ‘02 YZ250. I think the 2-stroke is more fun to ride but the 4-stroke is more enjoyable to ride. I usually ride Michigan sand, and you’re 100% spot on about loamy/sandy.
You like the 450f in Michigan the best or two stroke? Getting back into riding and moving to Michigan soon so I’m trying to figure which will be the best direction to go! Will do some track riding too. Thanks
@@worldwide1873 As you should know, Michigan has a lot of sand tracks. While I’m old enough I still think a 2-stroke is the heart and soul of motocross, the big old 450F is less work and more enjoyable to ride in such conditions. Either way you’ll be great. Hope to ride with you sometime! Depending on what part of the state you’ll be at, I’ll be at Sandbox MX in Vassar for almost every practice (usually working/flagging, but sometimes riding).
Damn! The man is correct I own both, I did laps on my 2 stroke and 4 stroke, I looked and sounded cooler on the 2 smoker, but quicker on the 4 burner. But I would prefer to mix gas and slap ass all day!!!
I have a 2017 KTM 250sx, one thing that I love is the adjustable power valve. On those hard pack clay tracks I put in the least aggressive spring and back the adjuster out. Makes it so the hit is further up in the r's. This has really helped...can achieve some traction before takeoff.
I tend to use my 250f more than my kx125. But that's because I have to drive the bike on the road for hours to the mountain trails where I ride. I only use my 2T on tracks in the city or trails close by. We don't have the luxury of having a trailer where I live. Plus, labor here is so cheap, it's not a problem for me to order the parts and hand them off to a mechanic which charges LESS than $5 an hour for top rate work. Vietnam.
I have never owned a 4 joke. The thing people dont get about riding a 2 stroke is throttle control, you can't just go full throttle and have traction, you have to feel the traction and adjust throttle input to match, then you can hook up and go. oh yeh and SHIFT, too many people rev way above the power band.
In Texas RN, Evacuated from the storm Trying to get into dirt bike riding. This video helped me figure out what kind of dirt bike to get. Going with 4 stroke!!!
Man, they just came out with TBI 2 strokes KTM and Husqvarna. Yet again im on the debate do i want a 2 stroke with modern tech but not plated, or a 4 stroke with plates 🤷🏻♂️
Only thing I like about 4 strokes is you can put around if you want to or hall ass you don’t have to be on the power band the whole time other then that 2 stroke is superior (to me)!!!!!
I’m a newer rider, got a yz450f and immediately realized it was too much bike so I got a yz125 now and I enjoy it a lot more, I’m still not constantly in the powerband but I will be
What's up with all these 2 stroke posers nowadays. I love 2 strokes and actually prefer them but even though they are faster 99 percent of people can go faster longer on a 250f. For example I can go a whole race on my 250f without much difficulty, my two stroke is arm pump city.
One other thing riders may want to consider is their local laws. California is making it almost impossible to ride 2smokes, so your ride options may be limited depending on where you live.
Thx man I’m 14 and just got a 125 I’ve only rode 2 strokes I love them I’m getting to learn on the 125 but yes the whole answer of the video really is if you want to have more fun and be loose and have a power band 2 stroke is where you’ll be live the videos tho
unless you get something like a husqvarna, 2 strokes are going to be impractical, however once u ride a 2 stroke, riding a 4 stroke will seem unconventional and just not “up to ur taste” i prefer both
Both are great piece of machinery for slightly different riding. I ride KTM EXC350f 4 stroke, love this bike, how linear power delivery is. Once though I rode my friend 2 stroke KTM 250 carbs version. OMG that shot of power was overwhelming, I know I would get use to it over time, however the overall handling and how light it was I could see real benefits of riding it over 4 stroke. I'd love to have both in my garage anyway 😆.
i did the same thing and for me personally a four stroke was fun for the first 2 weeks but after that if you don't go to the track often it will get boring
Gotta love the sound of the yz250f sounds like a truck I had a 2 stroke doing wheelie hitting powerband and all that was real fun but the issue was the fuel didn’t las pt as long as the 4 stroke and I do a lot of camping so I prefer the 4 stroke because the 2 stroke is just to noisey when you hit powerband but still love them but not as much as the 4 stroke
Riding a 4 strokes like riding a pet horse, riding a 2 strokes like hopping on a wild horse, yanking it’s mane, and trying to hold on. Much more fun and thrilling
I’ve always raced 2 strokes. Currently have a 2008 yz125 and just bought my first 250f (2015 yz250f) two days ago. Racing both this coming weekend. Love how 2 strokes have to be ridden harder with more skill whereas you can ride lazier on a 4 stroke, makes me feel more alive having to work the clutch more and also taming the bike, powerband, etc... Since I’m racing 2-3 classes though I’m hoping the 4 stroke will allow me to conserve energy a little more for the extra motos. Ready to see what the 250f is all about and how it truly compares to an old school two banger😎💨
Tyler, something you didn't touch on is the "style" of riding you plan to do. Most of the modern produced 2 strokes are much better "off track" than "on track". I realize this varies model to model and brand to brand; but it bears repeating. KTM / Gas Gas / Husky / Beta all make wonderful 2 Strokes that are not great on the track but are fantastic off track. If a new rider is looking to just weekend ride in the woods; I would heavily suggest looking at a 2 stroke of the appropriate size by any of the aforementioned manufacturers.
Both good. I have a 2022 YZ250FX, and my buddy has a 2017 YZ250X. 4 stroke's more stable and planted, 4 stroke has more usable power, it's way easier to ride, it's more manageable. 2 stroke is lighter, way less stall happy doing hard enduro, the 250 actually has some decent low down torque, but most 2 strokes have a very annoying power curve since they only make power at the top of each gear. Maintenance is an interesting point, the 4T requires more frequent cheaper maintenance, whereas the 2T requires basically no frequent maintenance but they blow up more, so more big fixes. I prefer 4 stroke, but to each their own. My next bike will probably be a 250 2 stroke
100% getting a 2 stroke front end to feel planted is much harder than on a 4t. I will say for woods riding though a 2stroke is nice cause of the weight and the engine temps. 4t runs hotter and in the slow stuff is harder to handle and easier to overhear. Thats why i have a 450sxf and a 250xc. You can pick up older bikes for much less and have both and some cash to spare vs new. If you are riding for fun grab a yz250 of a ktm 250 from the mid 00s or newer and enjoy. Rm250s are great but getting hard to find.
well it's not really similar. Four strokes make more power in general. Although in single cylinder small displacement applications where weight is an issue two strokes make the most power hands down. A single cylinder two stroke 250 makes more power than a single cylinder 4 stroke 250. Although when you add in diff engine designs like a 250cc parallel twin or inline 4 it's no contest. People are making almost 70 hp with the new ninja zx 250. Its hard to even get a 500 two-stroke to that power.
@@4touchdowns1game29 look upp superkart its a 250cc twin 2stroke trows upp 100hp 2 stroke is way more powerfull Because it need half the rotations to complete the cycle of intake compression comustion and exhaust That means At 9000rpms The 2 stroke had 9000 power strokes And the 4 stroke had 4500 More cylinders does not make a difference
@@tonnyberben1770 more cylinders does make a difference. It allows optimal afr while allowing higher rpms. Before I became mechanically inclined I used to think the same. Since a two stroke fires twice as often it's making twice the power. First a 2 stroke loses about 25% of it's power per revolution compared to a four stroke because of lack of valves. A four stroke can have it's power stroke be self contained all the way through. A two stroke hits the opening on the cylinder wall about 3/4 down and loses all that compression. When four strokes topped out at 9000 rpm the two stroke was still faster because even though it was only 75 percent as efficient it was firing twice as much. Now that four strokes rev to 20000 rpms things are different. And I was talking na. Once you throw boost in the four stroke easily makes more power. Two strokes really can't be turbocharged efficienctly unless its a giant, heavy, scavenger type diesel system. The bra ham bt 52 for example was capable of almost 1400 hp from a 1.5 liter engine.
@@4touchdowns1game29 youre gonna bring f1 into this to make a point engines with such low tollerances you have to warm upp the engine so it can rotate to start it and f1 engine are high bore low stroke engines in a v10 setup The point you made about the exhaust portal that affect will be less impacfull when you have 10 cylinders that all make a combustion every rotation Its really the point i made times 10 The math you spoke of double the power and 25% loss is still 25% gain still seems way more powerfull And youre right a 4 stroke makes his combustion strike optimizing compression minimalizing compression losses with the valves but you still need 3 usseless energy consuming strokes to make that happen And make a f1 engine 2 stroke v10 thesame displacement (no turbos ) i bet the would be more powerfull Only downside fuel consumption and handeling ( look at the difference on a dirtbike ) imagen that in a car going 300+ kms For years they want to make it safer and safer 2 stroke in f 1 would be a disaster resulting in many deaths I studies mecanics in school and did allright i worked in some truck garages but mostly worked in construction Dont get me wrong you can be right But i doubt that logic is on my side on this one in my opinion
@@4touchdowns1game29 and for the record Exhaustvalve opens like 10 degrees before the piston hits bdc this looks like nothing but in a low stroke engine like a f 1 this is a lot and youre spark generaly also ignited before piston is at tdc pre ignition (thats what its called translated from my motherlanguage ) 😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛 But like i said You can be right But iff you are in f1 engines You took the extreme of something That generally is wrong in all other comparisments Thats why i believe in f1 2stroke will be more powerfull because generally its known 2 stroke is more power for the same displacement Power would be higher but not faster since those 10 or 12 expansion exhausts wouldnt fit into the teams plan for aerodynamics Theres a race car with a flat 6 2 stroke engine 10k rpm 280 hp The exhaust on that thing is ridiculous 😂😛
I have a 21 YZ250FX and a 23 YZ250X. I mostly find myself in tight technical, rocky areas...that's where the 250FX struggles...it's and freaking handful. Fast flow, 250FX does good but I think my 250X does better. Sand is the only thing I've found the 250fx does better For me..250X.
2 stroke makes you and teaches you how to ride in the power. Once the 2 stroke is mastered than its a good idea to go to a 4 stroke. Unless you wanna be a lazy rider for a while go right to a 4 stroke.
Yo tyler. you think you can make a video about like injuries and stuff. explain some things you’ve gone through if any. i’m 18 years old, i’ve been riding for 5 months now and a couple days ago i crashed and broke my jaw. and yes i was of course wearing a helmet (TLD brand). i know that i’m going to crash and stuff especially still learning only been riding for a short period of time, but this situation just has me really down in the dumps man, my jaws are wired shut for 5 weeks and it’s starting to get into my head.
I have a 2020 250sx right now. I’ve been on 2 strokes since I started riding (8 years) but I’m looking at the 2022 crf 250. is it a good idea to make the switch?
I'm planning ong getting a dirt bike i don't know much on dirt bike mechanics and I just want to free ride what would you say is best for me I'm also turning 17 so idk what should I get
I love the 2 stroke but i just cant go fast enough.. if i get a 125 then i def wont rip it i can barley rip my 85. 2 strokes more fun but ik id be faster on a 4 stroke
I’m not a good rider at all but I feel a 2 stroke has better cornering and easyer to control in air so basically the exact opposite of you lol I cut my lap times by a minute or two being on a 125 compared to a 250f and my exsperience with 250’s the front end tends to dives a lot in air
your suspension wasn't set as good as the 125 thats why the 125 was easier to corner and didn't drop the front end in the air. just fix ur suspension and stay on a 250 your to big for a 125
@@Dustin34 lol no it’s fine but the 125 is just so much more nimble and leighter it had mp1 forks but that don’t even matter when it’s set so bad I’m not sure if I’m getting my kx forks done or waiting till I order my new bike but I’m getting cole tho so a mechanic to do it so they’ll be mint
I ride a 4-stroke but it's an Enduro street legal and I would love to Street legalize a two-stroke my friend has a YZ 490 that he's thinking about letting go the thing is a suicide machine but how freaking awesome would it be to Street legalize that? Sitting in traffic and a YZ 490 2 stroke comes ripping by!!!! Lol
ive started on a four-stroke but im going to be giving 2 stroke a try soon im excited and thank you mx factory for helping me along the way you guys all rock !!!
I started riding a yz250 last year , It's amazing how fast you can get into and out of trouble on a 2 stroke. The biggest thing that I forget about, is the small amount of engine braking that you get on a 2 stroke. There's no better feeling than dancing out of a berm wide open in 3rd ,feeling almost in control then hitting warp 10 in 4th gear on the straight..... you will love it!
In all honesty it’s prefrence 2 stroke bikes last forever as long as u maintenance them regularly 2 stroker are the easiest bike to work on 4 strokes are known to be giant headache many things on a 4 stroke to keep it running all it takes is one thing to go out to cause it problems making it very hard to figure it out unless u know everything on that entire motor yes 4 strokes can last a extremely long time piston wise but the other parts to make it run west down fast and u wear out bolts a lot faster do to constant oil changes 4 strokes are much faster depending on the machine and upgrades but 2 strokes can last way longer than a 4stroke there are 2 stroke bikes from the 70-90s that are still going strong today but they come at a cost as well as 4 strokes after 10 years of a model the manufacturer stops parts. Being made so u have to rely on third parties for parts I stay away from Kawasaki because parts are very hard to get hands on even if its 2012 parts are hard I find that Yamaha and Suzuki and Honda are the most reliable companies to buy from Suzuki is making its way to strictly street bikes by each day goes I have owned pretty much every bike made weather it be a atv or dirtbike no matter what style u choose you still find a risk of not getting a part u need new 2 strokes only need top ends carb cleans reed replacement more often than a 4 stroke but they are the easiest to fix a 4stroke can be a money pit it honestly falls on do u pay a mechanic to fix it for u because a 2 stroke can be fixed without really knowledge at all if u have a manual for it or TH-cam itself on how to but a 4 stroke will cost u a couple thousand in shop labor and parts if u can get them before u jump on something u like do your homework on the bike your looking at make sure u can still get parts like a crank or a piston or just even small things like kickstart parts down to brake parts because if u can’t it’s not worth the risk even newer bikes from 2010-2013 parts have stopped being made it just really depends on your knowledge of fixing them and cost of parts 4 strokes will always cost more to fix than a 2 stroke a lot of people love a 4 stroke growl but when your riding u won’t be paying attention to that if u plan on making a really fast bike then buy 4 stroke if u want a bike that will last u for just regular fun go 2 stroke
How are you gonna talk about the fun of a 2 stroke and not even mention the way the bike just explodes when it gets into the power band, you know you’re in for a good time when you hear that power valve crack open
You should’ve mentioned that 2 strokes make way more power per displacement than four strokes for example a yz250 makes almost 10 hp on a yz250 f which I believe is the power leader in the 250f class also despite common belief a yz250 also makes almost double the ft lbs of Torque as it’s 4t counter part
You dont compare a yz250 to a yz250f wtf? A yz250 would be compared to a yz450f in terms of horsepower. 250 2 stroke don't go in the same class as a 250 4 stroke.
Agreed lol, like 2 and 4 stroke are the same sport but different bikes. Like surfing long board and short board, still the same sport. But electric bikes aren’t the same there just not real bikes, kinda like surfing on a boogie board lil
😂😂😂you have never ridden a full sized electric dirt bike, it's very easy to tell because of your opinion. They are absolutely a blast and will blow any bike off the line. What you really don't like is that electric is going to take over and you will be left not being able to afford one. Mine was 14,000$ but worth every penny. Stop hating like a little weenie
I think you need to some basic study before you open your hotdog garage again, that was one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen....here's your award
Make a lot of noise? That’s an awful representation of a smoker. They are plenty fast with less money in mods and perfectly capable of winning at any amateur level event the only real downside is more energy used to control the bike and the vibration. My kxf was so smooth you could hardly feel it running but I got fed up with valve adjustments every 10hrs I ride/race way to much so back on a cr250r
The correct answer is obviously one of each
I'm with you buddy
Yes
I absolutely disagree with anything N ° 1 Everyone says that the two-t bike is more fun. But it is complicated to exploit especially in the use of the engine (because it is not a motorbike for neophytes) So if you want fun you should get a 250F. Also because it is he who says it gives you more security and stability. So a light and ballerina bike is certainly no longer fun. N2 ° Ordinary maintenance. Absolutely the two t and more complicated only x the carburetion speech. Mixing is a bummer and if you forget .. So another error of the type. In that extraordinary one obviously wins the two t. (Which is better) N3 ° What bike to use in the race? I repeat the two t you have to know how to exploit it so if factory a 400 two t it would certainly be stronger if brought by a pro. Lapucci demonstrates daily. So the guy pays the "two seconds per lap" because he can't take advantage of a motorcycle (needless to say 15 years obsolete ..) 4th Ground Lapucci, or whoever goes fast for him, has shown that even on the asphalt the two t is more than competitive. Summing up. Like Covid. Unfortunately people on the web can say what they want and unfortunately many do not know how to understand the truth .. The guy contradicted himself several times. See maintenance or ease / fun.
@@wtfftw24 homie gave us a whole speech over a joke
I like the way you think Jesse.
4 stroke power delivery is muuuuuuch smoother where as the 2 stroke power delivery is like a cheetah just snorted cocaine 😂
Who doesn’t love coke snortin cheetahs
Imagine a cheetah on cocaine lol
@@IncognitoDiabetic yeah bring on the cheetah 😆🤘🏼
I recently started riding, and my dad had a 2000 yz125 so I started out on that. And yesterday I just got a 2001 yz125 so we can go ride together. So personally, gotta love the 2 stroke. Love the noise, love the feeling.
You never even road a 4t
I can’t spell
@@zaveok7751 and that’s perfectly fine by me. Grew up with the 2 stroke around Bc of my dad. So I’ve always wanted one.
That’s awesome you and your dad ride 125s
Mine got me an 05 yz125 and were rebuilding it. He has a 250f and that thing is like cheating!
I have a 2000 KX125 love it!
I'm 27 and I tried my first ever motocross race recently on an rm250 and came 3rd in C grade thanks to a lot of information from this channel. Would love to try a 4 stoke on a track so I could chime in. Keep up the vids guys 👍
That front wheel only landing at 3:18 is impressive! I am a noob 52 year old two stroke rider. The powerband pull and associated sound is intoxicating. It is difficult to find traction on slippery, slidey terrain, though.
More stable! 💯 Always feel planted when turning on the 4 stroke. 2 strokes fun as hell. But when you lean over to turn the back wheel doesnt feel planted and feels like it wants to slide out.
steer with the rear
I’m 50 years old and have only ever had 2 strokes 250 and 500’s, and swore I’d never own a 4 stroke.. Until I rode a friends RMZ 450 2012 model, I was hooked, yes the 2 stroke sound is king! But at my age now and the old aches trying to hold on to a 2 stroke it’s a lot of work. I still own a YZ 250 but I ride my 4 stroke 95% of the time, heaps of grunt but usable and I’m not stuffed after an hour riding. Love it! Also I think the 4 stroke sounds awesome also.
that landing into a stoppie at @3:17 was insane
Agreed, loved it.
Yep, very well said! My primary riders are an ‘06 YZ450F and an ‘02 YZ250. I think the 2-stroke is more fun to ride but the 4-stroke is more enjoyable to ride. I usually ride Michigan sand, and you’re 100% spot on about loamy/sandy.
You like the 450f in Michigan the best or two stroke? Getting back into riding and moving to Michigan soon so I’m trying to figure which will be the best direction to go! Will do some track riding too. Thanks
@@worldwide1873 As you should know, Michigan has a lot of sand tracks. While I’m old enough I still think a 2-stroke is the heart and soul of motocross, the big old 450F is less work and more enjoyable to ride in such conditions. Either way you’ll be great. Hope to ride with you sometime! Depending on what part of the state you’ll be at, I’ll be at Sandbox MX in Vassar for almost every practice (usually working/flagging, but sometimes riding).
Damn! The man is correct I own both, I did laps on my 2 stroke and 4 stroke, I looked and sounded cooler on the 2 smoker, but quicker on the 4 burner. But I would prefer to mix gas and slap ass all day!!!
Yeah I like both but 2 stroke slightly more so but get one of each i would say if u can afford it 😁
Yeah!!!!!!
Yep. That’s what I did. 2012 KTM 300xc and 2014 yz250f. Little older but nice to change it up every now and again
I have a 2017 KTM 250sx, one thing that I love is the adjustable power valve. On those hard pack clay tracks I put in the least aggressive spring and back the adjuster out. Makes it so the hit is further up in the r's. This has really helped...can achieve some traction before takeoff.
Both! They are different. Ride them both!
I tend to use my 250f more than my kx125. But that's because I have to drive the bike on the road for hours to the mountain trails where I ride. I only use my 2T on tracks in the city or trails close by. We don't have the luxury of having a trailer where I live. Plus, labor here is so cheap, it's not a problem for me to order the parts and hand them off to a mechanic which charges LESS than $5 an hour for top rate work.
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I have never owned a 4 joke. The thing people dont get about riding a 2 stroke is throttle control, you can't just go full throttle and have traction, you have to feel the traction and adjust throttle input to match, then you can hook up and go. oh yeh and SHIFT, too many people rev way above the power band.
You can 100% definitely go full throttle on a 2stroke while cornering. You just don't have the skills for it.
@@rapscallion3421 sometimes you can, depends on the corner and you should ask your mom about my "skills"
The 2 stroke is the epitome of moto! It’s a rocket that’s all over the place.
I have four two stroke dirt bikes and my son has two more. It will be our choice now and forever. ✊😎
In Texas RN, Evacuated from the storm Trying to get into dirt bike riding. This video helped me figure out what kind of dirt bike to get. Going with 4 stroke!!!
Im getting a 250f soon, i moved on from a 125 and 250 2t, i just like the 4 stroke sound (limiter) very much plus the e-start.
Man, they just came out with TBI 2 strokes KTM and Husqvarna.
Yet again im on the debate do i want a 2 stroke with modern tech but not plated, or a 4 stroke with plates 🤷🏻♂️
Ill just put this out there. there both awesome In my opinion owning both is definitely a treat. thank u for your time an videos mx factory.
We agree!
@@TheMxFactory hows it going bro the mx factory
2 stroke because I still have the same old bike i raced as a teenager. Buddy has a 450 though and they are allot of fun too.
I am 2 stroke rider because the power and sound are just amazing
The sound tho 🤤
Only thing I like about 4 strokes is you can put around if you want to or hall ass you don’t have to be on the power band the whole time other then that 2 stroke is superior (to me)!!!!!
I’m a newer rider, got a yz450f and immediately realized it was too much bike so I got a yz125 now and I enjoy it a lot more, I’m still not constantly in the powerband but I will be
I started on a Honda xr100 in November 2020, and i'm upgrading to a kawasaki kx100 soon.
2 strokes have fun. 4 strokes win races. Change my mind
Spoken Like someone who actually races.
What's up with all these 2 stroke posers nowadays. I love 2 strokes and actually prefer them but even though they are faster 99 percent of people can go faster longer on a 250f. For example I can go a whole race on my 250f without much difficulty, my two stroke is arm pump city.
@@4touchdowns1game29 exactly. Not sure if it is how the bike is balanced or just the power band difference. Ride safe bro 🤙
Honestly for me it just depends on what I want to do and the mood am in I love both
I have both, started on 2 strokes, I prefer 4 strokes to ride, 2 strokes if I gotta work on one.
I got a 4 yeah sure it’s challenging to maintain but that’s all about learning
For sure.
@@TheMxFactory it’s frustrating a bit, only because it’s a 06 250R. Parts are hard to find/get in Canada especially on a budget.
2T for me :) , still at carbureted 2T and have 0 complaints. Loving my TC250!
So your saying i need 2 bikes, one for each different occasion 🤣
Cheers, I'll let the missus know. 👍
One other thing riders may want to consider is their local laws. California is making it almost impossible to ride 2smokes, so your ride options may be limited depending on where you live.
Thx man I’m 14 and just got a 125 I’ve only rode 2 strokes I love them I’m getting to learn on the 125 but yes the whole answer of the video really is if you want to have more fun and be loose and have a power band 2 stroke is where you’ll be live the videos tho
unless you get something like a husqvarna, 2 strokes are going to be impractical, however once u ride a 2 stroke, riding a 4 stroke will seem unconventional and just not “up to ur taste” i prefer both
Both are great piece of machinery for slightly different riding. I ride KTM EXC350f 4 stroke, love this bike, how linear power delivery is. Once though I rode my friend 2 stroke KTM 250 carbs version. OMG that shot of power was overwhelming, I know I would get use to it over time, however the overall handling and how light it was I could see real benefits of riding it over 4 stroke. I'd love to have both in my garage anyway 😆.
I’ve had two two strokes (85 and 125) but I’ll try a 250F out and see if i like it.
i did the same thing and for me personally a four stroke was fun for the first 2 weeks but after that if you don't go to the track often it will get boring
Gotta love the sound of the yz250f sounds like a truck I had a 2 stroke doing wheelie hitting powerband and all that was real fun but the issue was the fuel didn’t las pt as long as the 4 stroke and I do a lot of camping so I prefer the 4 stroke because the 2 stroke is just to noisey when you hit powerband but still love them but not as much as the 4 stroke
Riding a 4 strokes like riding a pet horse, riding a 2 strokes like hopping on a wild horse, yanking it’s mane, and trying to hold on. Much more fun and thrilling
I’ve always raced 2 strokes. Currently have a 2008 yz125 and just bought my first 250f (2015 yz250f) two days ago. Racing both this coming weekend. Love how 2 strokes have to be ridden harder with more skill whereas you can ride lazier on a 4 stroke, makes me feel more alive having to work the clutch more and also taming the bike, powerband, etc... Since I’m racing 2-3 classes though I’m hoping the 4 stroke will allow me to conserve energy a little more for the extra motos. Ready to see what the 250f is all about and how it truly compares to an old school two banger😎💨
Tyler, something you didn't touch on is the "style" of riding you plan to do. Most of the modern produced 2 strokes are much better "off track" than "on track". I realize this varies model to model and brand to brand; but it bears repeating.
KTM / Gas Gas / Husky / Beta all make wonderful 2 Strokes that are not great on the track but are fantastic off track. If a new rider is looking to just weekend ride in the woods; I would heavily suggest looking at a 2 stroke of the appropriate size by any of the aforementioned manufacturers.
Great point
Thanks for posting… your comparison refers to the track on this one, how about open trails cross country, riding woods, etc.
I wish ronnie mac could hear this
Nothing will change Ron’s mind
4 stokes such remember that.
@@dylanjones678 🤣 uncle Ron taught you well
I found that 2-stroke are super fun and 4-strokes are comfortable and easier to ride. But 4-strokes don’t really sound like a real dirt bike
Both good. I have a 2022 YZ250FX, and my buddy has a 2017 YZ250X. 4 stroke's more stable and planted, 4 stroke has more usable power, it's way easier to ride, it's more manageable. 2 stroke is lighter, way less stall happy doing hard enduro, the 250 actually has some decent low down torque, but most 2 strokes have a very annoying power curve since they only make power at the top of each gear. Maintenance is an interesting point, the 4T requires more frequent cheaper maintenance, whereas the 2T requires basically no frequent maintenance but they blow up more, so more big fixes. I prefer 4 stroke, but to each their own. My next bike will probably be a 250 2 stroke
Man you got the maint part wrong. I think you have thjem reversed don't you? typo?
I will more then likely always buy a two-stroke but if it's got two wheels and goes in the dirt it's for me
Oh hell yeah
4 stroke if you wanna go fast, 2 stroke if you wanna play
Love this Chanel
Tyler made me and better rider (dreams)
i race trails but i practice moto-cross i rode my 85 and am trying to figure out weather to get a 250 this helped a lot
2 stroke for single track is where they shine as well for those geared for it. KTM etc. They are tractors.
100% getting a 2 stroke front end to feel planted is much harder than on a 4t. I will say for woods riding though a 2stroke is nice cause of the weight and the engine temps. 4t runs hotter and in the slow stuff is harder to handle and easier to overhear. Thats why i have a 450sxf and a 250xc. You can pick up older bikes for much less and have both and some cash to spare vs new. If you are riding for fun grab a yz250 of a ktm 250 from the mid 00s or newer and enjoy. Rm250s are great but getting hard to find.
Please and please how will I notice the difference between two stroke and four stroke engines
Lets keep in mind most competitive races put 2 stroke 125s up agains 4 stroke 250s because of the very similar horsepower
well it's not really similar. Four strokes make more power in general. Although in single cylinder small displacement applications where weight is an issue two strokes make the most power hands down. A single cylinder two stroke 250 makes more power than a single cylinder 4 stroke 250. Although when you add in diff engine designs like a 250cc parallel twin or inline 4 it's no contest. People are making almost 70 hp with the new ninja zx 250. Its hard to even get a 500 two-stroke to that power.
@@4touchdowns1game29 look upp superkart its a 250cc twin 2stroke trows upp 100hp
2 stroke is way more powerfull
Because it need half the rotations to complete the cycle of intake compression comustion and exhaust
That means
At 9000rpms
The 2 stroke had 9000 power strokes
And the 4 stroke had 4500
More cylinders does not make a difference
@@tonnyberben1770 more cylinders does make a difference. It allows optimal afr while allowing higher rpms. Before I became mechanically inclined I used to think the same. Since a two stroke fires twice as often it's making twice the power. First a 2 stroke loses about 25% of it's power per revolution compared to a four stroke because of lack of valves. A four stroke can have it's power stroke be self contained all the way through. A two stroke hits the opening on the cylinder wall about 3/4 down and loses all that compression. When four strokes topped out at 9000 rpm the two stroke was still faster because even though it was only 75 percent as efficient it was firing twice as much. Now that four strokes rev to 20000 rpms things are different. And I was talking na. Once you throw boost in the four stroke easily makes more power. Two strokes really can't be turbocharged efficienctly unless its a giant, heavy, scavenger type diesel system. The bra ham bt 52 for example was capable of almost 1400 hp from a 1.5 liter engine.
@@4touchdowns1game29 youre gonna bring f1 into this to make a point engines with such low tollerances you have to warm upp the engine so it can rotate to start it and f1 engine are high bore low stroke engines in a v10 setup
The point you made about the exhaust portal that affect will be less impacfull when you have 10 cylinders that all make a combustion every rotation
Its really the point i made times 10
The math you spoke of double the power and 25% loss is still 25% gain still seems way more powerfull
And youre right a 4 stroke makes his combustion strike optimizing compression minimalizing compression losses with the valves but you still need 3 usseless energy consuming strokes to make that happen
And make a f1 engine 2 stroke v10 thesame displacement (no turbos ) i bet the would be more powerfull
Only downside fuel consumption and handeling ( look at the difference on a dirtbike ) imagen that in a car going 300+ kms
For years they want to make it safer and safer
2 stroke in f 1 would be a disaster resulting in many deaths
I studies mecanics in school and did allright i worked in some truck garages but mostly worked in construction
Dont get me wrong you can be right
But i doubt that logic is on my side on this one in my opinion
@@4touchdowns1game29 and for the record
Exhaustvalve opens like 10 degrees before the piston hits bdc this looks like nothing but in a low stroke engine like a f 1 this is a lot and youre spark generaly also ignited before piston is at tdc pre ignition (thats what its called translated from my motherlanguage ) 😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛
But like i said
You can be right
But iff you are in f1 engines
You took the extreme of something
That generally is wrong in all other comparisments
Thats why i believe in f1 2stroke will be more powerfull because generally its known 2 stroke is more power for the same displacement Power would be higher but not faster since those 10 or 12 expansion exhausts wouldnt fit into the teams plan for aerodynamics
Theres a race car with a flat 6 2 stroke engine 10k rpm 280 hp
The exhaust on that thing is ridiculous 😂😛
I love my fully restored 1995 CR250.
Nice change of gears with the channel...it really clicks.
I have a 21 YZ250FX and a 23 YZ250X. I mostly find myself in tight technical, rocky areas...that's where the 250FX struggles...it's and freaking handful.
Fast flow, 250FX does good but I think my 250X does better.
Sand is the only thing I've found the 250fx does better
For me..250X.
2 stroke makes you and teaches you how to ride in the power. Once the 2 stroke is mastered than its a good idea to go to a 4 stroke. Unless you wanna be a lazy rider for a while go right to a 4 stroke.
I was at 4 stroke I hoped on a yz 125 and I was like I need this and I’ve ridden 250sxf before nothing beats that power band once u hit it ur gone
Yo tyler. you think you can make a video about like injuries and stuff. explain some things you’ve gone through if any. i’m 18 years old, i’ve been riding for 5 months now and a couple days ago i crashed and broke my jaw. and yes i was of course wearing a helmet (TLD brand). i know that i’m going to crash and stuff especially still learning only been riding for a short period of time, but this situation just has me really down in the dumps man, my jaws are wired shut for 5 weeks and it’s starting to get into my head.
the fact i was wearing a helmet and still broke my jaw just sickens me
just saw your old injury video. gotta keep my head up and start doing yoga
Sorry to hear that. I hope you are doing better and learned how to be safer
What if in enduro what is best? Most will answer 2 strokes cuz thats what they race
I just got my first 2 stroke yesterday
ill never get another 4 stroke again f that
Why?
So would a 250 4 stroke be good for a beginner I’m 6’1
I have a 2020 250sx right now. I’ve been on 2 strokes since I started riding (8 years) but I’m looking at the 2022 crf 250. is it a good idea to make the switch?
I'm planning ong getting a dirt bike i don't know much on dirt bike mechanics and I just want to free ride what would you say is best for me I'm also turning 17 so idk what should I get
Interesting to know! Thank you for sharing!
2 stroke ktm 125
Nice!
Just bought a 2 smoker 🏍💥💥💥
Awesome!!!
Everyone needs one of each.
I love the 2 stroke but i just cant go fast enough.. if i get a 125 then i def wont rip it i can barley rip my 85. 2 strokes more fun but ik id be faster on a 4 stroke
I’m not a good rider at all but I feel a 2 stroke has better cornering and easyer to control in air so basically the exact opposite of you lol I cut my lap times by a minute or two being on a 125 compared to a 250f and my exsperience with 250’s the front end tends to dives a lot in air
your suspension wasn't set as good as the 125 thats why the 125 was easier to corner and didn't drop the front end in the air. just fix ur suspension and stay on a 250 your to big for a 125
@@Dustin34 lol no suspension on the yz was set for a 90pounds rider I’m 180
@@loganscott7129 tbh kinda doubt that, handling comes down to mainly suspension, maybe your kx just was clapped
@@Dustin34 lol no it’s fine but the 125 is just so much more nimble and leighter it had mp1 forks but that don’t even matter when it’s set so bad I’m not sure if I’m getting my kx forks done or waiting till I order my new bike but I’m getting cole tho so a mechanic to do it so they’ll be mint
Nice comparison!
I went 4stroke just because I ride with my 5 year old and I am not always winding it out.
I need to pull a stroke or 2 to afford a decent bike
I ride a 4-stroke but it's an Enduro street legal and I would love to Street legalize a two-stroke my friend has a YZ 490 that he's thinking about letting go the thing is a suicide machine but how freaking awesome would it be to Street legalize that? Sitting in traffic and a YZ 490 2 stroke comes ripping by!!!! Lol
Excellent explanation. I find the two stroke sound annoying.
So uh… will four stroke be good for asphalt? 😅
In My opinión,is more easy ride 4 stroke, i like the two
So are you doing Supercross?
ive started on a four-stroke but im going to be giving 2 stroke a try soon im excited and thank you mx factory for helping me along the way you guys all rock !!!
I started riding a yz250 last year , It's amazing how fast you can get into and out of trouble on a 2 stroke. The biggest thing that I forget about, is the small amount of engine braking that you get on a 2 stroke. There's no better feeling than dancing out of a berm wide open in 3rd ,feeling almost in control then hitting warp 10 in 4th gear on the straight..... you will love it!
you’ll never go back to a 4 stroke
@@MaxwellBenson80 i look forward to it
@@cjaggy6195 you're probably right lol
Same! I started on a Honda xr100 in November 2020, and i'm upgrading to a kawasaki kx100 soon.
Do you like Blondes or brunettes...._______...... good....ill take either
just broke my first bone on my dirtbike lol
In all honesty it’s prefrence 2 stroke bikes last forever as long as u maintenance them regularly 2 stroker are the easiest bike to work on 4 strokes are known to be giant headache many things on a 4 stroke to keep it running all it takes is one thing to go out to cause it problems making it very hard to figure it out unless u know everything on that entire motor yes 4 strokes can last a extremely long time piston wise but the other parts to make it run west down fast and u wear out bolts a lot faster do to constant oil changes 4 strokes are much faster depending on the machine and upgrades but 2 strokes can last way longer than a 4stroke there are 2 stroke bikes from the 70-90s that are still going strong today but they come at a cost as well as 4 strokes after 10 years of a model the manufacturer stops parts. Being made so u have to rely on third parties for parts I stay away from Kawasaki because parts are very hard to get hands on even if its 2012 parts are hard I find that Yamaha and Suzuki and Honda are the most reliable companies to buy from Suzuki is making its way to strictly street bikes by each day goes I have owned pretty much every bike made weather it be a atv or dirtbike no matter what style u choose you still find a risk of not getting a part u need new 2 strokes only need top ends carb cleans reed replacement more often than a 4 stroke but they are the easiest to fix a 4stroke can be a money pit it honestly falls on do u pay a mechanic to fix it for u because a 2 stroke can be fixed without really knowledge at all if u have a manual for it or TH-cam itself on how to but a 4 stroke will cost u a couple thousand in shop labor and parts if u can get them before u jump on something u like do your homework on the bike your looking at make sure u can still get parts like a crank or a piston or just even small things like kickstart parts down to brake parts because if u can’t it’s not worth the risk even newer bikes from 2010-2013 parts have stopped being made it just really depends on your knowledge of fixing them and cost of parts 4 strokes will always cost more to fix than a 2 stroke a lot of people love a 4 stroke growl but when your riding u won’t be paying attention to that if u plan on making a really fast bike then buy 4 stroke if u want a bike that will last u for just regular fun go 2 stroke
Two stroke are the best
Mixin gas, gettin fast
@@TheMxFactory I run 100 octane
The answer is obvious - one of each. 2 in the woods, 4 on the track
Well said 4 strokes are better
I love 4 strokes
Hey, one other element you could of mentioned, mud.
4-stroke is way more easy to ride, so the learning is easier for 4-stroke.
I will only own 2-strokes.
On point
How are you gonna talk about the fun of a 2 stroke and not even mention the way the bike just explodes when it gets into the power band, you know you’re in for a good time when you hear that power valve crack open
All I heard was more fun. 2 stroke all day!
Kind of funny that for enduro you start on a 4 stroke to learn good clutch and throttle control before you get a 2 stroke
Wdym lol who says you start out on a 4 stroke
2 stroke is motocross/ supercross
4 stroke if you're a nerd, 2 stroke if you wanna have fun
You should’ve mentioned that 2 strokes make way more power per displacement than four strokes for example a yz250 makes almost 10 hp on a yz250 f which I believe is the power leader in the 250f class also despite common belief a yz250 also makes almost double the ft lbs of Torque as it’s 4t counter part
You dont compare a yz250 to a yz250f wtf? A yz250 would be compared to a yz450f in terms of horsepower. 250 2 stroke don't go in the same class as a 250 4 stroke.
@@RealDisrespecful nah man a 250 is a 250
@@donalddonaldson7211 you know nothing lmao, don’t bother commenting when you have no idea.
@@donalddonaldson7211 nah you need to pick up a book and do some basic study on small single cylinder engines....you are seriously embarrassing.
Why everyone hatin on 4t our real enemy should be electric riders 🤢🤢
Agreed lol, like 2 and 4 stroke are the same sport but different bikes. Like surfing long board and short board, still the same sport. But electric bikes aren’t the same there just not real bikes, kinda like surfing on a boogie board lil
@@yolo2225 yep couldn't have said it better, its just not the same on an electric
😂😂😂you have never ridden a full sized electric dirt bike, it's very easy to tell because of your opinion. They are absolutely a blast and will blow any bike off the line. What you really don't like is that electric is going to take over and you will be left not being able to afford one. Mine was 14,000$ but worth every penny. Stop hating like a little weenie
I don't drive motocross to be stable. I ride it to be unstable. --> 2 stroke
ronnie mac is screaming in my head
A 250 2smoker will whoop a 250 thumper all day, that's why they don't let them race each other.
I think you need to some basic study before you open your hotdog garage again, that was one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen....here's your award
Make a lot of noise? That’s an awful representation of a smoker. They are plenty fast with less money in mods and perfectly capable of winning at any amateur level event the only real downside is more energy used to control the bike and the vibration. My kxf was so smooth you could hardly feel it running but I got fed up with valve adjustments every 10hrs I ride/race way to much so back on a cr250r
wating for this for a while!