Cloud Man: The Mummy That’s Baffled Experts For 100 Years | Mummy Forensics
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- The research team at the University of York examines the wounds of a South American mummy to ascertain whether the man was a victim of crime.
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I absolutely adore Joann's excitement whenever she is dealing with the mummies, makes me very happy to see her enjoy her work.
Me too!! She's epic. I just love ancient Egypt, and how could anyone not be in awe of anything she is talking to them about. Her love for her area of study is so contagious!
@@Mandy-nt2cs completely agreed!!
Crikey, I would have thought that Joann, if she's such an expert, would have seen almost immediately that the head wound was caused by trephaning, not a combat injury. Even I saw that, and my nursing background was not as specific as her training.
3:22. And just like that he labels it a human
Regarding tobacco - a four hundred mile trip to get it would be unnecessary if they regularly used tobacco and it was part of usual trade.
There is a bit of me that feels sad for the deceased. As a Historian I am deeply fascinated. I imagine his spirit, watching over their shoulders, puzzled, encouraging, laughing and quite bemused that they were taking so much time and energy over his old bones. Delighted when they get it right.
Do you believe in spirits?
Thank you, books out later this year.
He's probably laughing because they've probably got it completely wrong as many historians do when it comes to analyzing the ancients
I feel sorry for the pig.
I think the dead would feel more reassured if they were able to see at least one indigenous person on the team; rather than it being compromised entirely of Europeans.
I wish they had done a facial reconstruction. I really like seeing what they look liked. Fascinating work!
"Donated to the museum" = Stolen and smuggled out of the country + yet to be returned
Years ago, antiquities were a big business
@@kathleenmartin7498 Still are... albeit illegally.
I'm all for repatriating these looted artifacts and people.
*never to be returned*, sadly this is the case with almost EVERYTHING that's been "donated" to museums...😢
FRANCE IS A BIG CULPRIT OF STOLEN ITEMS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE!
Great documentary & very interesting subject ..... but the music was so loud that I could hardly hear what was being said, which rather took my enjoyment away.
I love any documentaries Joann takes. She's so interesting, knowledgable and passionate about anything she talks about.
Totally agree. Love her
Proud Yorkshire lass
I disagree. Joann is NOT particularly knowledgeable. She should have recognized immediately that the head injury was not a combat wound.
Combat injuries do not look even remotely like that mummy's skull injury. It looks exactly like a surgical wound that had been done deliberately and even healed over. Joann is no expert, since tryphening is not an rare procedure.
I'm the opposite. I avoid anything with her in it. She's overzealous to the point of making mistakes. This looks interesting. Hope she doesn't spoil it.
I couldn't watch more than half way through. The music is deafening, especially for headphone wearers.
Such a shame.
Drove me nuts.🫤
I was waiting for them to mention if there was any signs of healing of the skull, by what I could see in the short glimpses it did look like there were signs of healing, due to the shape of the sides.
37:07
First time I saw it I was thinking trepanation
I saw the same. But the signs of healing were limited. I was watching this with my partner and told him from the word go: "trepanation, survived a bit after the op." Being hit by a sling or an axe or a mace would have created a completely different wod. For starters, it would have been messy. This one was a very regular shape actually.
Re height. Description is relative to the observer. Peruvian native people are short. Therefore 140cms is relatively tall.
They did not work in the shrinkage when a person is mummified
@@chocolatefaerie also people have just gotten bigger overtime due to diets , back than just trying to survive people would b very small
It is not true that all etnic groups of precolombian people were short...it is a cliche...
@Arny Steinwand not in my country
@@dogwater290 here people eated greatly and also willl provide to the travelers until 1970 since 12.000 years ago
There is a lot talk about science, but in the presentation, a lack of scientific methodology particularly by Fletcher (who is not a physical anthropologist/scientist). When you go into an examination with pre-conceived notions and infect your team with them, it biases the investigation. I get they were trying for the drama here, but the producers trying to sensationalize things results in skeptical results.
Agreed: too much drama and not enough science. Also, might they have ried genetics with a bit of tooth?
She is an Egyptologist who specializes in mummies. That DOES make her qualified.
That so called music again. Not only horrible but louder than the speakers. Why do TV producers etc, not listen to their customers, who have been complaining for years about music in documentaries
Why was she even talking to the doctor if the only explanation from him she was going to accept as plausible is a battle wound?
Makes for a more 'dramatic' story. You can kind of tell they were really pushing to make this one 'interesting', which is a shame because I think the discrepancies regarding the journal and finding more out about an ancient culture, and a (in my opinion) purposeful cut into the skull is interesting enough on its own. No wonder this was the last episode.
The sound man needs to add more sound as i can still hear some talking.
Deff need some cow bell...
@@kursed01 yes
Yup who want explanations
Glad I’m not the only one who had issues. 😂
Starting @8:02 with that scanner, I don’t know if it’s because I have a major headache right now but that NOISE that it was making was enough to make me STOP WATCHING! 🤫I made it as far as 8:38 which is where I gave up! I didn’t even make it to the TOO LOUD MUSIC everyone else was talking about. I thank them for letting me know by posting it was too loud. And my HEADACHE THANKS ya’ll too!! 😖 ✌🏻
I wonder why analyzing the material and construction of the rope isn't part of the first round of tests. It would be useful in determining who bound him
Psionic Tarrasque good point
would make a boring story
there is people doing that th-cam.com/video/Oy_cDXuodCA/w-d-xo.html
@Kristie Cpre dates?? Go and read a book you sheep
Doesn't matter who bound him now
The statute of limitations has passed by a bit.
One could tell early on in the documentary that the trepanning site on the skull had already began to heal and I too also wondered did they not analyse the composition of the rope to establish it's possible origins/ locale??
Yes, that healing had occurred was immediately apparent. Their credibility is reduced when they play stupid for effect. It's an insult to their audience's intelligence. She couldn't possibly have genuinely believed that it was an injury that had been inflicted during battle via slingshot either. They really think we're that unintelligent! The story is fascinating without all of the charades!
It is known that some coastal tribes in Peru practiced cranial surgeries
I thought tripanning was only on the third eye?
@@heidismith8970 no, carried out for intractable headaches, seizures, anything that they thought could be released, even demons, depending on the tribes view.
Recipients of this would be awake and the witchdoctor would just start shaving away at the bone until they reached the lining of the brain. My worry when watching a medical doco on this was the thought the chisel could slip into the brain at that point.
I suppose it helped if the brain was under pressure or swollen and many survived for almost full healing of the bone as discovered skulls show.
Nona Cee Thank you.
Please listen the comments section about the music. It’s too loud and overwhelms the experts. Nobody came here for the music.
The music is so loud that it's drowning out some of the conversation, particularly Dr. Don Brothwell talking to Joann.
I have on the subtitles, that helps.
I'm not a professional by any beans but you could CLEARLY see that the skull had been trepanned. From the very defined scratch marks around the area to the healing parameter. If you've EVER seen a skull like that it's more than clear.
What's trepanned
It definitely looks like a trepanation, but a slightly messy one. I wonder if there was already an infection present?
By any beans lol 😂 I’m gonna use that
@@RedFoxSkull
Shut the Front door! 😂☠
Trepanations was my first guess to! It's such a weirdly cool thing. Early surgery with a surprisingly high survival rate for the time it was practiced, especially without modern anethstetic. Ancient medicine if pretty amazing, given they knew nothing of microbes and dna, ancient humans found some pretty amazing ways to advance society to the point we are today.
Dr. Fletcher sees beauty in mummies, respecting their humanity. I just love her enthusiasm. She's brilliant.
Weirdly my grandmother's last name was Trepanier, the same word as trepanning. But our family name was the french version of the same word.
So some ancestor of yours might've been a surgeon?
@@tgbluewolf or barber? Barbers performed surgery.
IIRC, obsidian blades can be so sharp that they can cut between cells instead of through them, and as such incisions made with them tend to heal more quickly.
I would like to know exactly how wrapping a skull from birth causes the skull to grow more bone material. You would think it would deform the skull, not elongate it to the point it roughly doubles the internal volume.
If you squeeze a boob... It kinda elongates. LOL
Bone deformation can change the shape of bone, but not add 30% volume to the brain area.
@@grantwriter7777 Have you deformed yours? LOL It looks like you know quite a lot. please send a photo of ur head.
Divad Ignawm 😂😂😅😅
Lolll I like the replies 🤠
Just curious, I wonder who pays for all this expensive testing on mummies, mri's, scopes, flesh testing, when some living people couldnt begin to afford care like these dead bones get.
Great Britain has free healthcare, don't they
This was practiced in the Paracas culture of Peru, where at the end of the operation a gold foil was placed to close the wound. In the same way it was practiced by the Inca civilization with the purpose of removing fragments of bones or weapons, which were embedded in the skull, after accidents or warlike confrontations. Coca and chicha were used as anesthesia in large quantities and it is known that they also knew the use of bandages.
But more proof for other skulls of ancient craniectomy.
That's really cool! Know any good TH-cam channels about this?
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@@Yellow-Rose look up Brien Foerster! He's got so much video about the elongated skulls!
@@Yellow-Rose Giai channel is pretty cool.
1913 you say came to us? Did this man have the right to remove this mummy and ‘ gift ‘ it to anyone,,,I say study it and return it !
Greedy people. Care about this while they dont care the alive people.who is hungry
He said he found it, which might have given him.a legal claim in Peru at the time. Or, to . he probably was given it or bought it himself. Years ago, it was very easy to get mummies, a sarcophagus, grave goods and other antiquities. And there were a lot of grave robbers wanting v to make $$$ from their finds.
I would hope that this mummy was repatriated back to coastal Peru near Lima for burial. Doing tests to increase knowledge in a respectful manner is dubious without permission from the country of origin, but because of when and how the mummy was removed from the country I dont fault the investigators for desiring to learn more. Now that the examination is done, send him home.
Agreed. While my science brain wants to know everything I can about these mummys and people they were stolen from their final resting place. How would you feel if your grandma was dug up and gawked at?! It’s not right to keep these bodies, they absolutely should be repatriated.
Absolutely disagree. Many countries don't deserve their historical heritage, and many have little to do with the culture or inhabitants in question. I am not talking particularly about Peru, but sometimes is better that these artefacts were not lost and destroyed in the territory of barbarians and religious fanatics.
@@rad_y6315that’s so crazy, you have a point but let’s not refer to other breathing humans as barbarians. That sounds incredibly racist. Regardless, it’s THEIR country’s heritage and they should do what they see fit.
Love love love Joann Fletcher!! Seen her, she signed my book, she's such a treasure!!
She is an amazing lady!!!!♥️
She's a brainwashed egyptologist who just wants to jump to conclusions and prove how primitive these cultures are compared to Egypt. She doesn't have an analytical or objective mindset. She sees the world through egyptology's rose colored glasses and is constantly trying to force her narrative of how these mummies fit into HER REALITY. That's why she gets so frustrated when all the SCIENCE proves this wasn't a violent death but a skilled surgery. She TRIES to think a little more scientifically and opened minded than other egyptologists, that's as much praise as I'll give her. And she probably doesn't realize how flawed her approach is either.
@@ArtesaDrendora what? Your entitled to your opinion but she has such a passion for her subject and is a nicer character to entertained by than some (especially from the BBC) I just think her passion and enthusiasm is infectious and for that alone, she should be commended!
Turn the music down guys!!! Usual prob with your amazing documents!
Muted the sound and read the subtitiles
It's a TV show. The Poster had nothing to do with its production.
As a pathologist this research always fascinates me it's like taking a trip through time
They could avoid the long necessary dramatisation, the subject was interesting already, they made it less enjoyable.
long panning shots of looking at "science stuff"
A lot of it drowned out by sound effects :(
The elongated skull, which is very unnatural, isn't interest to the "doctor"... Apparently nobody commenting noticed or interested either. LOL!
@@sbkarajan that would be because of the headbinding techniques used at the time in that region. but judging by your username i'd reckon you'd assume it were aliens instead of giving our ancestors the credit they're due
@@asdasdrgsdfsdf2810 LOL, can't you tell the skull that was deformed by headbinding vs. born naturally huge? How do you make a 5 passenger sedan into a 7 passenger SUV? By pressing it from all sides? That makes the car larger? Give me a break... And why would they deform the head in the first place? Were they mimicking some intelligent beings with naturally huge brains? I have seen artificial cranial deformation, they just make the head pointy, that's it. And then some hairdressing make the head "look" a bit bigger. It cannot enlarge the head, the skull, at all. th-cam.com/video/dp5hlGzjXac/w-d-xo.html
The chemist looks like he's not enjoying his work at all🤣
Couldn't it be as simple as due to the paracas skull- it created unwanted issues like pressure or headaches and the only way they knew to resolve it was to open the skull? Then when the person died, they were mummified...
It could honestly be that simple.
My thoughts too - that the misshaping of the skull could likely have led to excruciating head aches and the trepanning was a desperate attempt to release the pressure...
Some of the Paracus skulls have very huge cones on them. Cones that huge can't be created by cradling. You can't add bone to the skull. Their suture lines are different then on our skulls.
@Susan Koessler I think he/she is in agreement with you.
@@The_Tiffster It's not 'misshaping' though, this skull presents as a natural phenomenon, however, i do agree that maybe the shaping of the skull may have brought with it some medical problems, and judging from how many this practice is present on the procedure of 'reliving cranial pressure' is a good theory. In fact doing this procedure on humans apparently has the side effect of making one 'high' all the time i believe.
@@Qwazier3 The compression of the infant skull will cause the open foramen and sutures of the skull to overlap or expand to form different suture lines than in a normally healing and growing skull.
Whoever did the audio editing for this should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.
Hahaha agreed! 👍
and you should be hired.
Why? I could hear everything. (My standards have been lowered by crappy Netflix horror junk)
While they were still just a sperm too.
I didn't notice anything. Your name however...
I don't know if I can watch it if that drum drum music doesn't stop ☹️
38:38😂 the way he stood there and let them have the conversation about no answers in pessimism before saying The mummy with smoke is hilarious the look on his face and the wait before the bomb drops perfect comedic timing
Lol the fur bound journal looks like that aggressive furry magical book hagrid gives the students in Harry Potter 😂
the rope binding test scene is really awkward, lol
If you want to conquer a lady probably showing your bondage ability on day 1 is not a good idea...
Pronghorn Punk
They could’ve edited that out, didn’t seem to serve a purpose.
@@tabitharosefreeman1793 it's quite funny though, and you can see him trying not to smirk when he says it 23:37 (though i'm sure this idea came from the shows producers)
@@njones420 not to mention how much smaller the mummy is than a modern person. 3m of rope on a much larger person is going to seem like less.
That notebook covered in fur looks like it came out of a teenage girl's bedroom.
😆😆😆😆
I feel like you associate teengirls with unintelligent practices.
@@jan-nn9ix yes we should associate extraordinarily highly intelligent behavior with teenage girls . Even if they have furry notebooks.
I love these documentaries with Joann Fletcher! She's great
I am sorry and do not want to hurt you, but I think she is not good.
Dr. Fletcher is a specialist in Egyptian archaeology.
Many of the elongated skulls have been proven not to be elongated by known means ,nor do they have a sagital suture .
At 7:13 you can clearly see the sagital suture in this skull.
@@k.s.k.7721 Look up Brien Foerster and his recent DNA study of the skulls . They say DNA doesn't lie if that's the case his findings are a game changer .
Yes, because they are of nephilim origin. Many scientists will not acknowledge this because it proves the Holy Bible is true.
@k.s.k.7721 yes, it's fused but clearly visible.
Joanne: I really really wanted it to be a battle injury. I tried to push it but they didn't agree. Now we got nothing 🥺🥺
Duncan: "I don't share the pessimism", you never looked at any evidence in the first place. Just wanted to go to the beach to throw rocks 😂😂😂
I imagine a thousand years from now when people will dig up the victims from the world wars and the Holocaust ..... And try to figure out what happened..... Horrific.
Holocaust victims have been cremated. Did you not hear about at school?
winterweib not all schools teach it neither is it applicable or relevant to all countries
There are mass graves just saying
Barbara Mulvaney I was responding to the person that asked if the original commenter didn’t hear about it at school, I said that it isn’t taught in all schools and it’s not applicable or relevant to some countries meaning that not everyone or every country in the world knows about it. Relevant meaning closely connected or appropriate to what is being done or considered. Have a nice day. Learn to understand context.
@@winterweib there have been many mass graves found... what are you on about?!
Man, when I worked in the lab we never tied each other up. Guess I was in the wrong place... 🤣
17:39 If you look closely this skull is missing the Crack between the top skull plates. Humans have a skull crack that runs from the forehead to the back of the skull. That skull didn't have that feature, it was one solid Bone where it should of been two. Please check out Brien Foester's youtube channel he explains many of the skulls in Chili were Mutilated with binding but some are Naturally Cone Shaped. Also Having a Large Cone Shaped Head was a Sign of Nobility and Royal Blood not done to "look good".
Could you be suggesting ,that this might be a Nephelium Haplogroup ?
Also check out L. A. Marzulli channel, or Google: nephilim.
I once saw a documentary about a culture that practiced skull binding and remembered it was mentioned that those people often suffered from headaches. I would think that was a reason for a civilization to develop a method like trepan. I also wouldn’t think it’s likely for people to preserve an enemy, wouldn’t they just have left him to rot on his own.
I wonder if the mummy has already been returned to Peru considering that it was smuggled
You overestimate the moral compass of the purchaser of the mummy....
Brits rarely return stolen artifacts.
@@cloudycolacorpCould add country robbing too...
I was wondering if it’s in a Museum or maybe the doctor’s possession. That’s a nice find, and offer a good sum of money 💰
@@sabrinanascimento5248 well they did say it was loaned by a museum with free reign on tests. I’m sure it’s since been returned.
They start making up things with out facts I love this show
interesting though the over-dramatization does pull you out of the doco.
Brian Forester has many of these elongated skulls ..the skulls have a larger brain casing which cradle board head binding cannot achieve. More mainstream scientists should study these skulls further.
Brien foerster is a kook
Also the "suture lines" are not human.......🧐
A different species of hominid
Janitor queen go clean a toilet
The tribe still practicing head binding in Africa doesn't use a cradleboard, they wrap the skull with fabric strips.
timeline if u read this thank you for putting these out here, i love you guys
I like Joanna Fletcher, I hope that she continues her anthropology because she cares and has much to offer science.❤ A good person to be admired.
Symbolically awesome, loved the findings, very young as a Shaman. Wow! Very interesting.
You could have saved a lot of time, effort and money by omitting the 'background music'. It added nothing to the content and indeed was extremely annoying and distracting.
RIGHT! The muzak is louder than the soft British voices, drowning out the commentary. Irritating and frustrating. Somebody should be fired for this despicable annoyance to a lot of research!
@@grantwriter7777 I think they should be skinned alive and decapitated !!
@@grantwriter7777I have on the subtitles, it helps a lot.
This is not a cranial deformity. They should conduct a DNA analysis
Why did they expect cloud man to be TALL? The indigenous of south and Central America are tiny/ short whether they were from the mountain or the coast,
It's a conehead. They were very small and weak. Not easy to carry a skull that big on your neck and be a fighter too. For those that are thinking cradling, you can manipulate the skull but you can not add skull bone. The coneheads don't have the same suture lines as us on their skulls. Check out Brien Foerster. He has videos on the coneheaded skulls of Paracus.
@Avery Holt The coneheads also have that same shade of red hair. One of the conehead skulls in the Peru museum had the red hair. Brien had the hair tested and they're from the middle east. I can't remember where he said. So they migrated to Peru. So a connection to the nephilim and fallen angels that taught man to play with genes is very most likely a possibility.
@Avery Holt God made His angels and obviously gave them choice. That's why 1/3 fell with Satan. So the DNA here on earth that's being used for these other beings is from the evil bad guys. We humans have choice too. All by design. If you were an all seeing, all knowing god would you want those around you to be joyful to your face and deceitful behind your back? Welp, God the Father and Most High decided to give all a choice. Like it or not, if you don't except Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior, you'll spend eternity in a not so nice place. The reptiles are going to lose.
@Avery Holt The bible says that if you seek Him diligently He will let you find Him and in my experience He did. I called on the name of Jesus and He answered me AND He didn't say not to call Him Jesus. Besides that in the bible it also says that when He comes back He will have a new name that nobody knows yet. As for Satan, you knew exactly who I meant so I think I got it right. Depending on the language we're using is what words we call God, Satan or a potato. Time is short. Best we pray for all those that don't even read about or call on the name of God, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Elohim, etc.
People like to forget we've gotten a lot taller in the last few hundred years.
I think it would be nice to refer to the mummy's life as their life/cause of death rather than its.
I love the way we can look into the lives of these ancient people & find out how they lived & died.just amazing. Thank you
Don’t pay attention to the dramatic difference in the skull nothing to see there. What about this mysterious rope?
I would have liked to see him as a recreated person. What he looked like in real life
First time in a while where the title said "Peruvian Mummy" and it wasn't an Egyptian mummy
Bingo! Third time lucky.
Shocking right
Sloppy work for sure...
Or a bog body
Btw indonesia have a mummy in papua
I feel like I'd wear a mask if I'm arm deep in a mummy.
And when wearing gloves, keep your hands off your face. I had to quit watching an earlier series because it was so gross watching her touch the mummy and then touch her lips, like she's eating it.
Anyone else closed their eyes watching the trepanning?
On the pig's head? I only thought it would be not a that good idea to press the finger on the both sides sharp edge of the obsedian (?) cutting tool.. few seconds later the finger has a blood stained plaster on it.. oh my.. :D
I am always struck by historians being amazed by distances supposedly travelled for items of trade in ancient times. To me it's hardly anything to be shocked by. A single item or substance would not be sent for 400 miles in the moment that it was needed. Tobacco for example would most likely be shipped in large amounts constantly.....perhaps by one long distance trader or perhaps by several traders along an established route. Cocaine made it to Egypt long before this. In a moment where tobacco was required.....it most likely would have been a simple task to go get some from......the tobacco merchant.
True. But for it to be afforded by this individual for embalming means it's amazing he was so important/wealthy to be able to obtain such an amount.
greebleClown who knows what “prices “ were in those days ........but even today marriages and funerals are stupid money . Some people will pay $20000 for a dress they wear for 4 hours and never again ......even if it’s all they money they have in life ......it just matters that much to true believers right ? I know funeral homes charge thousands of dollars to load a rented casket into the limo for a fake drive around the block ......and then they unload 5 minutes later at the same location / different door
@@skidfrog 😱
I can't help but thinking your comments about historians being amazed by distances of goods being transferred is a bit ignorant.
my country, Indonesia, is long known as the land of spices. we've been sought after by Europeans ships just to get a bit of those cloves and many other spices. we've been enslaved by the dutch for 350 years and more Europeans flocked in trying to get those spices monopoly. those spices were EXPENSIVE. I once watch a video about a meal of nobility around the time sea-faring was popular (around the time Europeans came to our islands) and I can see almost 70% of the spices can be found easily in our tropical islands. the host says only the head of the servants and the lady of the house has a lock of the chest which contains the spices because of how expensive those spices are. hence the war and slaving native people here.
so, of course historians are amazed that the mummy embalmed by three different substance which has ingredients from another part of the continent. especially when they say the mummy predate the "cloud man", which means older civilization with older way of life. it's not easy to get those things. God knows how they work around the price, but I'd imagine exporting goods across Pacific oceans or across the jungle would be a quite the feat. have you think of that? their mode of transportation couldn't be that good either to ensure a lot of goods can be available.
@@wienzard93 I think your comment is a bit short sighted, just think, lots of tribes and civilizations all over the world never traveled far from their territories. Other aggressive tribes, fear of the unknown, difficult terrain, distance from their places of worship or gods, monsters, ferocious beasts, devils, demons, ghosts, evil spirits, etc. etc. They had many reasons not to stray far from home.
Not all tribes were explorers, yes some were, but not all.
The music overpowers the information being said.
Democratic people’s always complains
@@rhondaclark716 lol 😂 doesn’t matter what I am I say it as I see or hear it.
The headbinding is their way of honoring, by mimicking the Elders who came from the stars to reside on Earth for awhile
It may also be that they were amazing because they were small and were ferocious warriors. Yes, that is a real thing.
This is very close to my heart as I've only got 1/2 my skull left as I've had both sides of mine left with 2 cranioplast operations in the last 20years leaving my brain in a cage.
Wow,that sounds miraculous!!
Not all elongated skulls were done purposeful.
It's a nephilim
Want to know more about the rope, the cloth, the posture, and why the toes are curled.
I think they ran out of time for the show. 😄 But, yes. More analysis would definitely be interesting. I was hoping for a facial reconstruction.
I would guess that the toes constrict as they dry out
Thank you so very much for this fascinating documentary thoroughly enjoyed every minute
Fascinating. As a shaman, he must have brought peace and healing to many in order to earn so much respect at his leaving. Just. Wow. Good show. Bet I watch it again.
Gloves, please!
Gloves prevent contaminating the DNA so good they were them. But bad they hid the DNA results from us.
I Agree, with you 20 min away neighbour, gloves are a must.
I’m astonished that none of them are wearing a medical mask.
why they might spit into the mummies face? You twit. paper masks or cloth none of them will block a single microbial disease. Idiots keeping on being brain dead will soon be obliterated by the WHO one world machine cause you are obviously the first most vulnerable sheeple lot.
Calling the mummy a witch doctor is insulting. He was a Shaman.
Edna2u isn’t that the same thing for their time?
It all means the same thing. Neither witch doctor nor shaman is what they called themselves.
Same thing.
Imagine a time when having a deliberately mis-shaped head was a sign of status and privilege.
Like bound feet.
It still is--like botox, lip injection s, plastic surgery, etc.
After all of that, I hope they had him sent home, back to where he belongs.
He's been home sense the day he died. 😊 no matter where his bones go. ✌
"Yeah cool, tumor... but was he wacked with a hammer?"
I love that ever mummy episode our main Egyptologist is so adamant about skull damage being murder.
I'm addicted to these videos. 😂
24:00 that whole logic is flawed with the mummy being about to her armpit and she has bigger body than the mummy. They needed a slender 5 foot man to do this, but due to her physical differences she was a horrible test. This is stupidly flawed and needed more consideration to due.
What an amazing series this. I’m totally in awe of this whole team but especially so of Joann total encompassment of informing us of her knowledge and enthusiasm of ancient Egypt and all thing relating to mummification. I totally respect and admire these people. Thank you. x
A lot of Peruvian skulls have a larger cranial volume which can not occur from head binding.
This was really interesting... I knew once they started naming all the stuff used on him that he was somebody of importance...
A person who’s been dead for thousands of years is still taller than I am when fully stretched out
Awww
Lol
Is it just me or does the guy Stephen look like professor Snape
Shape n Mr bean
Your insults will be punished Mr. Potter
The man that played professor Snape did he pass away/ dead?
I always wonder about migraines in these ancient times. Even today we barely understand them, but more so then back then. Someone that suffered from migraines regularly might have been treated with that type of surgery.
important to note that most ancient skulls found with treppanning wounds show signs of healing! this was a spiritual and medical practice that was successful and relatively safe! it's also still a medical practice today, it's used to make brain procedures as non-invasive as possible!
What’s with all the negative comments 🙄
Because it was a long winded story, and dramatisations to try and make it more interesting.
When an individual comes across strong facts and evidence that destroys the narrative ever present being pushed upon us so-called plebs, one tends to not always have a 'negative' response (whatever that term means?rather disagreement I would say) however, gets somewhat weary after having to push back against the usual narrative of 'they are just elongated skulls'. Does anyone enjoy being lied to when they are in possession of the truth via very strong facts, you as many most likely don't i would pressume, please just research 'Brien Forester' he will clearly point out the vast difference between a human skull to other variants, the journey is yours, are you gonna take the red pill.
Try Buddy Guy. ✌
They shoulda got Brian Forrester on the show
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I live near Burnley museum, iv been many many times, this mummy has never been on display?
How do you think the incas carried the body to those places? They must have been carried by one man like a pack on his back. That's whats the ropes for.
This skull looks totally different than one that was modified with wood and cloth. Also look at the orbital sockets. There extremely large. Much bigger than a human.
Yes, the scull wasn't modified
Yep. Nephilim.
It’s very unfortunate that the entire episode tries to insist on the stereotype that the South American mummy must have been a savage warrior. The headshape implies some sort of dignitary but bludgeoning a pigs head really brings home the savage aspect. I found this episode culturally offensive. I really wanted to like it.
"I found this episode culturally offensive."
Whose culture?
All her documentaries are tex book regurgitation and traditional byes
Background music is TOO LOUD!
Hello Dr. Fletcher!! You’re my favorite historian!!! You rock!!
As a french Canadian Potowatomi, Scottish Canadian, part Trepanier, I found this and I was stunned. Because I knew that my family was connected to the Trepanier family. The Trepanning cult. I could know that my own family may have been that culture, to have trepanning people. Because my own family has had that actual name, Trepanier, which means trepanning.
I wouldn't be proud of a cult that killed people by experimenting on them. Most people died from it.
It was practiced in Neolithic Europe too.
Those scanner images are just exquisite.
People who practice their whole lives in sling shots get really good speed and accuracy. Little kids start out when very young and then they get older and better.
I was thinking this! I dont think they would ever be able to recreate the accuracy and speed of someone who would have been doing it since youth...I was thinking why did they even try that.
When the Chachapoya were conquered by the Inca, they were sent Stalin-style to live throughout the kingdom, so they could not group together again to try and revolt. So a Chachapoya man not living in Chachapoya territory would have been entirely normal. The style of burial is Chachapoyan though, which is confusing. The mummy is missing some of the Chachapoya trappings mind you, such as linens surrounding it, the sac on the exterior etc, although those may have been removed, or have rotted away. Or this may have been an attempt at giving him Chachapoya rites, without being particularly expert in them.
The skull shape we could argue about for hours, suggest you look at the DNA results of such skulls, which are intriguing. Brien Foerster has TH-cams on this topic. I'm not fond of him and some of his work is questionable, but you cannot really argue with laboratory results.
But I mean the man is quite short. Probably not AS short for those days, but certainly not tall. He could just be a shorter chachapoya, I guess, but if so, the style of burial, which is not complete, and the word of the person who found him, who lied about the location, would be the only things that would really indicate he was chachapoya
At 24 minutes it started to become "50 shades of Grey"
Love it when a doctor refers to people with a mental illness as lunatics
No. He said that people who make holes into their heads for religious reasons are lunatics. And that's correct.