fun fact: it's not even stronger judgement. since the plates boost your damage by 1.2x for moves of that type it means judgement is an effective 120 base power move like multi attack
@@stellaanderson570 i actually double checked that before I read your comment, and you're right and I hate it. They absolutely should've made the memories do the same thing as the plates. Which would've been pretty neat if, say, you were doing a casual mono-type team. You could run three different items that did the same thing (ie. Charcoal, fire plate, fire memory), getting around online/battle tower restrictions that disallow pokemon running the same item. Also, with tera being a thing, its almost useless to run a memory on Silvally, as anything else would be better. Hell, even without tera, you might as well just run life orb, or again, anything else. Tldr; Gamefreak, please make memories better!
Personally offended by this video. Most takes from this channel are solid but this is just flat out wrong. Reasons why Silvally is the GOAT - Tailwind - Parting Shot - 120 base 100% accuracy nuke move w/ 0 drawbacks - has the option to change its type to slot into any team, whilst not being a requirement (similar to how u dont need to wear a mask and tera ogerpon, it's just better if u do) and if u wanna talk about vgc, on top of having tailwind/rockslide. it has the niche option of using any of the pledge moves, so if u wanna get ur opponent offguard w/ a nuke move that also sets up aurora veil or slows the enemy side of the field, u can do that.
The beauty of pledge moves is the dmg is calculated by the mon that uses the move first, AND its turn order, so if u for example use a scarf zard or something with fire pledge or use a greninja w/ water pledge, ur slotted. Silvally's speed/sp. attk doesn't matter.
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendimagine you could customize crustle like you could with furfrou in xy, change its shell to different polyhedrons, or maybe have crustles with different types of rock shells, like basalt or tuff with different stats to represent the differences in the rocks themselves
It's kinda funny how Kingdra has more consistency with its 95 across bar its worse HP and Speed than Silvally but that goes to show how good being a Water Dragon is, Swift Swim for the Speed and also being able to hold items like Choice Specs. If it were my design choice, I would make Silvally 105 across. More than Mew, a good Speed tier but still awkward due to item limitations.
My biggest gripe with Silvally is how it's attacks aren't boosted by its memories like how Arceus's attacks are boosted by the plates. That's the biggest weakness of Silvally outside of its mediocre stats. The fact that any Silvally that isn't Normal Silvally is incapable of holding any helpful items. Here's to hoping GameFreak fixes that when Silvally comes back in Gen 10.
I’m sure they’d come up with some lore reason as to why the memories don’t function exactly like the plates, probably because it’s “imperfect” and they couldn’t completely emulate Arceus’ power. Regardless, it doesn’t do Silvally any favors and makes him far more one dimensional compared to Arceus.
I’ve given my piece in another comment. TL;DR - Change stats to 105 across the board - Change memories to a key item, so you can still have a held item - change ability to extra damage vs legendaries, mythicals, paradoxes, and ultra beasts
@@Someone-sq8im changing the ability is a no since it's supposed to mirror Arceus Same thing with making it's items key items However You can do the ogerpon thing where ogerpon gets a damage boost from holding those items (Arceus also technically has this but it's only cause the plates naturally give 1.2x boost to the same type)
one thing that is really stupid is how the cd's (or however they were called) don't give a bonus damage to that specific type like the arceus plates most silvally forms are pretty much a pokemon without both ability and item
Does that really matter though? Multi-attack is already the same base power as a plate boosted judgment. If the did give the same boost, then multi-attack would probably be at 100 bp. Nothing would change.
@@whimsyloser4757 it could open up more silvally sets + arceus has alot of physical variations that shouldn't use judgment yet every silvally is stuck as a physical attack cuz multi attack is just his only good move (I don't think it would help that much but it would be something)
@@kubomagico8853 Note that the title of that video includes 'close'. Arceus' ability is functionally identical to Sylvally, and plates are decent, but they aren't exactly all powerful. By the videos logic Arceus should only be slightly better than Sylvally, but it turns out having +25 in every single stat and a very strong move pool makes a huge difference. Maybe check out some of their other theorems covering other reasons that contribute to a pokemons power.
@@spekter1391 Arceus has a lot of physical sets because it has amazing stats combined with an amazing move pool to justify it. Sure, options would be nice, but while Sylvally's special move pool isn't terrible, it's also not particularly enticing. Ultimately, I just don't think giving memories the 20% boost that plates have would change much. I wouldn't be against it happening though.
Goodwill Arceus is Mew. Silvally is the generational hand me down that got dropped off at a landfill because the maintenance costs were too high to keep up with.
How I’d change Silvally: - Increase base stats to 105 around the board - Change memories from held items to a key item; forms are changed outside battle - Change signature ability to bonus against legendaries, mythicals, paradoxes, and ultra beasts
95 across the board is so eh, the german grading system is very accurate to this, the best grade is rewarded for 95%+ but not 95%, so basically pokemon copied germany smh
Silvally is so close to be useable. Like if its stats got buffed by 5 each giving it 100bst in everything, it'll be decently fast to hit certain mon, it'll also be bulky enough to take hits, and deal solid damage. Then lastly if the discs gave a stab boost like the plates then we can see this pokemon being actually good.
Silvally is one of my favorite pokemon ever, so I know this video is going to be painful to watch. ...At least I can always still click funny STAB explosion.
It's funny how this thing was canonically designed after Arceus's powers, and it ended up as a generic store brand Arceus that had a mask forcibly fitted on it. I guess you can't recreate God without something going wrong.
Even just base 105 in all stats would help this pokemon immensely. Also for th Ultra Beast killer it not getting access to any kind of Beast Boost is a slap in the nuts, even with the multitype gimmick
The held items should have had the forme change built in like the griseus orb, and then Silvally should have had an ability to mirror stat boosts from opponents' abilities. Or AT LEAST from Beast Boost. I mean, this is the same gen with friggin Marshadow That would have made its meh stats acceptable. It'd have been more fun for it to be broken abd banned than totally lame.
Another thing to note is that Judgement technically has the same power as Multi-Attack (in 17 out of 18 forms), since Arceus' plates boost the respective move power by 20%. So Silvally diesn't even have a stronger signature move going for it.
Silvally is a Pokemon I adored in SWSH, but for a reason that doesn't often get spoken about, and that reason is raids. I like to train some Pokemon to play on hardware with my friends ane Silvally's type switching gave me a supereffective attacker for all the vast majority of the raids early on. Multiattack doesn't list as changing types when dynamaxed but it does work, and it was a huge help early before strats for grinding various resources had been established, and before I had a broader roster of trained mons to rely upon. Sucks that it's not good competitively, but I'm glad I got the use out of it that I did.
I'd love a video centered around redeemed legendries. the Regies having fallen off, only to come back due to formats, or the gas in gigas's case. or say articuno, normally being a throwaway slot being quite good in snow during gen 9.
Interestingly, I bet silvally rarely feels completely useless in practice when it’s on a team, but it’s probably pretty much always outclassed by something else in any given role. It will take some hits, it will deal some damage, it will move kinda fast, but the fact that it does none of these things particularly well just means there’s always someone better for your team. Being a jack of all trades with lower base stats and a generally shallower movepool than the other jack of all trades pokemon is just a kinda bad spot. Silvally can play any role you want, but it lacks a real niche that separates it from anything else.
Being strictly worse than anything is a death sentence, Silvally is pretty strong for a playthrough but there's literally no reason to use it in competitive. It has no ability, no held item, and no STAB...
I'd still consider regigigas worse because while a lot of silvally forms are bad, many of them are pillars of lower tier metagames and some of them are even good in the middle tiers, to a level I consider far more impressive then being not that terrible in DPP (however if we include doubles gigas is definitely better, it actually did somethng)
Regigigas at it's best: -Baller when can negate it's ability by running weezing / cofagrigas / various skill swap shenanigans in VGC -You can beat up with someone else to still make use of it's great attack stats in singles -Even at it's worst it has decent defensive stats to toxic stall or something Silvally at it's best: -It can be steel or fairy (while not holding an item)
Silvally is the embodiment of "if you try to please all you please none“. I always knew it was kinda weak but it’s design alone is the reason why I love it so much.
Man, Silvally deverses SO MUCH BETTER. It's easily one of my favorite Legendary Pokemon on every level. It symbolizes a Mewtwo-like scenario, but with a happy ending and an epic purpose. It's chimera-esque design comes off as uncontained, like this Pokemon is simply living as it wants to - freely - which is exactly what it's doing. It's bright color scheme contrasts brilliantly with Type: Null's muted colors, fully showing that this Pokemon is full of life, has found a place of freedom in the world, and that the many hours of work put into it's creation have finally paid off. It's even conceptually like the other side of the "Mew" experience coin. While every Pokemon shares Mew's DNA (being the "first" Pokemon), Silvally shared (at the time) every Pokemon's DNA, effectively making things come full circle. Even it's purpose is the inverse of Mewtwo's: while the Mewtwo was created for conquest and evil, Silvally was created for protection and good. God, I love that Pokemon.
silvally can be a fun draft pick at least. it likely won't cost much but being able to change its type when you have a limited roster is kinda nice for covering matchups and making prep a little more awkward for opponents
Regigigas can atleast spread status + knock off items and generally be bulky / annoying to break through but Silvally there is barely any reason to use any of it's forms aside from fairy & steel in tiers where every other fairy & steel type has gone up a tier due to usage. Being basically a placeholder gotta be the worst fate for such a unique design
Another point is that Silvally is heavily reliant on holding a Memory for Coverage. It has no ground moves outside of Multi Attack Ground. Heck it doesn’t have E-Speed like Arceus to have a Extreme Killer at PU which probably would’ve helped
The very least they could have done for this thing would be giving it 102 across the board to mirror Arceus' 120 across the board. The next best thing though would be making the disks work like Rotom's forms where they're key items instead of held items. Atleast then it could compensate for its weakness with decent items.
This is a crazy idea, but here me out: 1. Give it base 100 everything and only 70 in speed = still 570. 2. Make the disc not only change Silvally typings, but also make the discs a Speed-type thick club; effectively giving it base 140 speed. (RIP Normal Silvally) 3. Give it a normal-type disc that doesnt change it to normal type, but functions like an anti-status item; preventing it from being statused (burn, paralyzed, etc.) [Silvally learn flames charge, it'll live]
I've always felt like a good buff for Silvally would be the memories give it a second typing so normal/(memory) and the memories give him a 20% boost like the Arceus plates do. Also give Silvally extreme speed.
Honestly I wouldn’t even put regigas second worst. It’s bulk stats are just straight up solid and slow start doesn’t affect utility based sets. It was usable in the low tiers on ground overload teams because of gravity and it even had a very brief moment of ou viability in the spectrier meta of gen 8 especially with its buffed movepool finally gaining access to protect and also having knock off as new additions to its kit specifically on balance teams with rillaboom ( it greatly appreciated the recovery from grassy terrain) it’s definitely down there but it’s had its moments
120BP Multi-Attack isn't even better judgement since memories are worse plates. Since plates also give a 20% boost, judgment is also effectivly 120BP 90 BP Multi-Attack was just cruel...
I always gave Silvally way more credit than it deserved in draft league, and picked it quite often. As a low tier potpourri support mon it was actually pretty valuable, but MAN it would've been so much better if they gave it Earthquake or High Horsepower. So many of its attacking types are walled by Steel, and it holds it back so much
I honestly really like using this thing for utility, but the hardest part is picking what other two moves to use besides Parting Shot and Thunder Wave.
we brought it down in Hoenn Gaiden to a gen 3 environment, and its finally useful, turns out a meta where there arent many move above 100 power , having one guaranteed stab 120 move is incredibly useful esp when its mixed attacker stats.
The fact they didnt give 110 across the board is a crime. Hell id take 105. 95 is good a standalone stat. But as ALL of your stats? Big shame what they did to this boi.
You make a lot of good points here, however, Silvally normal is the only pokemon that both gets stab explosion and can outspeed 90% of pokemon with a choice scarf. Also it gets parting shot which is nice. Sil also used to get magic coat and tailwind, which let it do interesting stuff as a sashed lead, where you could potentially get hazards up, trade with explosion, then give the pokemon switching in a few turns of tailwind. Alternatively, you could use parting shot to give a few turns of tailwind.
I honestly think silvally has some potential in vgc thx to the combination of usefull moves like parting shot, tailwind and some other ways of speed control while also being the strongest explosion user since with tera it can get a x2 boost making the move 500 base power
Actually, I am certain Regirock is a decent PU tank at its very worst, so it was at least viable in one tier. And that's before it received Body Press.
Arceus is high tier in Ubers since its inception because it has access to a ton of options that mitigate it not having an item. Recover covers for not having Leftovers and it taking more hazards damage in some forms. It has access to Calm Mind, Bulk Up, Swords Dance, and Dragon Dance as a multitude of boosting moves to cover for the lack of Choice items/Life Orb. And its plates boost its move bp anyways, so they at least count for _something._ And even if you don't want to run a plate and ditch its signature ability, it has access to STAB E-Speed to nuke mons regardless of Speed (not to say that Arceus doesn't still have a lot of that). Silvally has none of those. I mean, it has Swords Dance, I guess. Even it's memories not boosting specific types is a huge downgrade. "But Multi-Attack is 120 bp, so it's equal to Judgement with a plate boost!" Yeah, and what if you want to run a special attacking set, on a mon with _equal Attack and Special Attack?_ Into the bin it goes. And even running a physical Silvally is hard. It has its signature move at 120 bp with no drawback and SD, but then... are you going to run Double-Edge? The elemental fangs that still sit at 65 bp and 95% accuracy? Aerial Ace? Reversal? If Multi-Attack worked like Photon Geyser, where it was physical or special depending on Silvally's stats, then I could see it jumping up a tier. But it really needs better setup moves for its special side, a way better physical movepool (where's Earthquake, Game Freak? _Komala_ gets Earthquake), and _access to any form of recovery to cover for the fact that 17 out of 18 of its forms don't have access to Leftovers or Heavy-Duty Boots_ in order to do any sort of work in higher competitive tiers.
There's basically no downside to just giving Type Null an eviolite instead of evolving it. You get a real (although kind of mid) ability, and all stats but speed are identical so Null can be way bulkier. Your best method of recovery is still Rest Talk, but it outshines Temu Arceus in the same role.
Imagine how okay it would be with base 100 across the board, or how decent it would be with 105 or 110 across the board. Might just about make it in Gen 9 OU at that point
They should have given it base 102 in every stat as another reference to Arceus (which has base 120). While it still wouldn't have been amazingly strong, the speed in particular would've given it a crucial leg up on a lot of other mons.
Type: Null is actually really interesting, as it has a nearly identical statline to Silvally, has access to t-wave and pivot moves, and can use Eviolite. Eviolite Type: Null is one of the bulkist mons in the game and is effectively impossible to OHKO or even 2HKO. Unfortunately, lack of recovery and eviolite dependence kinda limits it's in practice utility and so it's not great.
I know this is a singles focused video, but I would still give the slight edge to Regigigas because it is usable in VGC alongside Kantonian Weezing Silvally exists, and arguably Eviolite Type:Null might actually be better
Silvally was actually really good and a meta threat in the very serious format of gym leader leagues where you can't change your Pokemon but you *can* change your items, because that allows you to counterpick all the monotype players. And it's a decent glue mon with Parting Shot.
dude, i remeber getting regice in a game of random doubles. THEY GAVE ME BLIZZARD, ICY WIND, T BOLT, AND PROTECT. I MISSED 6 BLIZZARDS AND AN ICY WIND. BOTH MY REGICE AND THIER GLIMMORA WERE ON THE FIELD THE ENTIRE GAME. I fucking hate regice.
I personally would just quadruple down on the whole Mini-Arceus route they were going for. Arceus promotes creativity and healthy meta game development (part of why gen 8 ubers sucked without it), so it'd be cool if Sivally can do that too on the lower tiers with how gross the power creep has been. -Buff all of its base stats into 105, strongish, bulky, and fast, but not TOO any of those. -Give the Memories 1.2x power boost like the Plates do. Like why not? -Have Z-crystals change type. Like what the hell happened? Why isn't it like this? -Make Multi-Attack a physical version of Judgement, goes without saying -Give it more moves that made Arceus so good, like E-Speed, Calm Mind, Recover, and some other physical coverage for a start.
I have always disliked that the Memories didn't do anything but take up an item slot to change Silvaly's type. So here's what I would change: It (and only it) becomes *immune* to it's own type. Instantly giving it a niche with Bug and Dark types as a switch in against U-Turn and Knock Off. I think that would really expand on the purpose of the drives since Arceus' Plates add the 20% boost in comparison.
Silvally should of had 100 stats across the board, and the disc of course should of increased the specific types power, probably why they buffed Multi-Attack to 120 base power from 90 base power
IMO Silvaly and type-null should've had the same bst but with Type-Null being defensive and slow with Sivaly being strong and fast but frail. Would've worked better if the memories boosted types
I never realized that Sylvally counted as a legendary. I always thought that the point of it was supposed to be a Pokémon that could use Arceus’ gimmick without having to be a legendary, thus being able to be used in formats that discounted legendary usage. I always thought it wasn’t used just because it wasn’t good enough, not because it took a legendary slot while not being good enough
Imagine if the Memories could store TMs inside them that Silvally could use at any time, sort of like a Z-move. I feel like it'd be a lot better and more unique with just that functional 5th moveslot.
I got some succes in gen 8 doubles OU by using silvally as a suicide lead because he has the strongest explosion in the tier. Granted it only worked in gimicky teams that relied on setting something up while blowing up the oposing lead and wouldn't work at all in a tournament but it was fun.
They could've done base 100 across the board. You don't get it during any main-game stories in gen 7, and it would've been a nice call back to the previous mythicals. Would've also helped at least a little bit.
i think another terrible trait to note about silvally is its movepool. despite being able to become any type, it doesn't actually GET moves of certain types (most notably ground and fairy) outside hidden power and multi attack. you'd think a diverse movepool would be a no-brainer, but apparently not
guys the typo (multitype instead of multi-attack) was made by boingus not me
fun fact: it's not even stronger judgement. since the plates boost your damage by 1.2x for moves of that type it means judgement is an effective 120 base power move like multi attack
@@stellaanderson570 i actually double checked that before I read your comment, and you're right and I hate it. They absolutely should've made the memories do the same thing as the plates. Which would've been pretty neat if, say, you were doing a casual mono-type team. You could run three different items that did the same thing (ie. Charcoal, fire plate, fire memory), getting around online/battle tower restrictions that disallow pokemon running the same item. Also, with tera being a thing, its almost useless to run a memory on Silvally, as anything else would be better. Hell, even without tera, you might as well just run life orb, or again, anything else.
Tldr; Gamefreak, please make memories better!
How can you accuse boingus of any wrongdoing? boingus is perfect.
Personally offended by this video. Most takes from this channel are solid but this is just flat out wrong.
Reasons why Silvally is the GOAT
- Tailwind
- Parting Shot
- 120 base 100% accuracy nuke move w/ 0 drawbacks
- has the option to change its type to slot into any team, whilst not being a requirement (similar to how u dont need to wear a mask and tera ogerpon, it's just better if u do)
and if u wanna talk about vgc, on top of having tailwind/rockslide. it has the niche option of using any of the pledge moves, so if u wanna get ur opponent offguard w/ a nuke move that also sets up aurora veil or slows the enemy side of the field, u can do that.
The beauty of pledge moves is the dmg is calculated by the mon that uses the move first, AND its turn order, so if u for example use a scarf zard or something with fire pledge or use a greninja w/ water pledge, ur slotted. Silvally's speed/sp. attk doesn't matter.
Silvally really defines 'we got an Arceus at home" moment.
‘He does everything I do, but better’
That is the point of it
Literally the aether foundation made it to copy arceus
cosmog on it's way to be literally more useless than a magikarp
Cosmog soloes
Ok but if you give cosmoem the eviolite it can do nothing twice as efficiently
@@notafish8229 i tried using cosmoem as a teleport pivot once lmao
It does have the broken strategy of evolving twice into an Ubers mon. I think they should suspect test it for that.
@@MelodyLumina how did it perform?
speaking of crustle it should have had the vivillon treatment of having several different appearances based on different rocks.
wait that would've gone crazy. imagine ruby crustle, or amethyst crustle (i know they aren't "rocks" but Pokemon would def do that)
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendimagine you could customize crustle like you could with furfrou in xy, change its shell to different polyhedrons, or maybe have crustles with different types of rock shells, like basalt or tuff with different stats to represent the differences in the rocks themselves
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendimagine q crustle made out of marble
Unite has a Crustle skin where its boulder is replaced by the Unova Pokémon League building
Unova being based on the most geographically diverse country in the world and having no variants like that is such a miss
It's kinda funny how Kingdra has more consistency with its 95 across bar its worse HP and Speed than Silvally but that goes to show how good being a Water Dragon is, Swift Swim for the Speed and also being able to hold items like Choice Specs.
If it were my design choice, I would make Silvally 105 across. More than Mew, a good Speed tier but still awkward due to item limitations.
I mean kingdra's viability as a whole is primarily a by product of rain being as busted as it is so there's that
Giving it 100 in every stat like mew would make it a decent amount better, 105 might make it OU tbh
@@jenkohrdef not
My biggest gripe with Silvally is how it's attacks aren't boosted by its memories like how Arceus's attacks are boosted by the plates.
That's the biggest weakness of Silvally outside of its mediocre stats. The fact that any Silvally that isn't Normal Silvally is incapable of holding any helpful items.
Here's to hoping GameFreak fixes that when Silvally comes back in Gen 10.
I’m sure they’d come up with some lore reason as to why the memories don’t function exactly like the plates, probably because it’s “imperfect” and they couldn’t completely emulate Arceus’ power. Regardless, it doesn’t do Silvally any favors and makes him far more one dimensional compared to Arceus.
Honestly if the memories were just usable items like Oricorio's nectars then Sivalvy'd be Fine(tm) I think
Yeah even ogerpon's mask gives damage boosts!
I’ve given my piece in another comment. TL;DR
- Change stats to 105 across the board
- Change memories to a key item, so you can still have a held item
- change ability to extra damage vs legendaries, mythicals, paradoxes, and ultra beasts
@@Someone-sq8im changing the ability is a no since it's supposed to mirror Arceus
Same thing with making it's items key items
However
You can do the ogerpon thing where ogerpon gets a damage boost from holding those items
(Arceus also technically has this but it's only cause the plates naturally give 1.2x boost to the same type)
Ah yes. Gladion's fursona.
The way I wheezed
Like how meowscarada is N's
Wait I thought it was Midnight Lycanroc-
*okay, maybe for the anime I think-*
@@雪者 I blame the anime for creating so many misunderstandings due to different takes or handlings.
@@unofficialmeme5972 yeah, same here
one thing that is really stupid is how the cd's (or however they were called) don't give a bonus damage to that specific type like the arceus plates
most silvally forms are pretty much a pokemon without both ability and item
Does that really matter though? Multi-attack is already the same base power as a plate boosted judgment. If the did give the same boost, then multi-attack would probably be at 100 bp. Nothing would change.
@@whimsyloser4757 it could open up more silvally sets + arceus has alot of physical variations that shouldn't use judgment yet every silvally is stuck as a physical attack cuz multi attack is just his only good move (I don't think it would help that much but it would be something)
@@whimsyloser4757 someone hasn't watched FalseSwipeGaming's theory of why Items and Abilities are close to everything a pokemon needs to be powerful
@@kubomagico8853 Note that the title of that video includes 'close'. Arceus' ability is functionally identical to Sylvally, and plates are decent, but they aren't exactly all powerful. By the videos logic Arceus should only be slightly better than Sylvally, but it turns out having +25 in every single stat and a very strong move pool makes a huge difference. Maybe check out some of their other theorems covering other reasons that contribute to a pokemons power.
@@spekter1391 Arceus has a lot of physical sets because it has amazing stats combined with an amazing move pool to justify it. Sure, options would be nice, but while Sylvally's special move pool isn't terrible, it's also not particularly enticing. Ultimately, I just don't think giving memories the 20% boost that plates have would change much. I wouldn't be against it happening though.
Silvally is like Arceus if you found him at a Good Will
Temu Arceus
Bottom text
Goodwill Arceus is Mew. Silvally is the generational hand me down that got dropped off at a landfill because the maintenance costs were too high to keep up with.
How I’d change Silvally:
- Increase base stats to 105 around the board
- Change memories from held items to a key item; forms are changed outside battle
- Change signature ability to bonus against legendaries, mythicals, paradoxes, and ultra beasts
Nice
95 across the board is so eh, the german grading system is very accurate to this, the best grade is rewarded for 95%+ but not 95%, so basically pokemon copied germany smh
German efficacy
Silvally is so close to be useable. Like if its stats got buffed by 5 each giving it 100bst in everything, it'll be decently fast to hit certain mon, it'll also be bulky enough to take hits, and deal solid damage. Then lastly if the discs gave a stab boost like the plates then we can see this pokemon being actually good.
So, it should have been a "mythical" ?
I feel like making it 102 as a scramble of arceus's 120 would have made way more sense
@@GlossArt 102 would be funny so it can speed tie Garchomp
105 on everything
IKR? Why did they go with 95 when 100 has been, at BEST, whelming since gen 4?
And they expect this thing to kill Kartana and Pheromosa???
Silvally is one of my favorite pokemon ever, so I know this video is going to be painful to watch.
...At least I can always still click funny STAB explosion.
It's funny how this thing was canonically designed after Arceus's powers, and it ended up as a generic store brand Arceus that had a mask forcibly fitted on it. I guess you can't recreate God without something going wrong.
Regigigas is actually insanely good in singles as long as your opponent only has wooper
Even just base 105 in all stats would help this pokemon immensely.
Also for th Ultra Beast killer it not getting access to any kind of Beast Boost is a slap in the nuts, even with the multitype gimmick
The held items should have had the forme change built in like the griseus orb, and then Silvally should have had an ability to mirror stat boosts from opponents' abilities. Or AT LEAST from Beast Boost.
I mean, this is the same gen with friggin Marshadow
That would have made its meh stats acceptable.
It'd have been more fun for it to be broken abd banned than totally lame.
Silvally is to Arceus is what biscuits are to cookies
Another thing to note is that Judgement technically has the same power as Multi-Attack (in 17 out of 18 forms), since Arceus' plates boost the respective move power by 20%. So Silvally diesn't even have a stronger signature move going for it.
Domain Expansion: Fishious Rain.
Silvally is a Pokemon I adored in SWSH, but for a reason that doesn't often get spoken about, and that reason is raids. I like to train some Pokemon to play on hardware with my friends ane Silvally's type switching gave me a supereffective attacker for all the vast majority of the raids early on. Multiattack doesn't list as changing types when dynamaxed but it does work, and it was a huge help early before strats for grinding various resources had been established, and before I had a broader roster of trained mons to rely upon. Sucks that it's not good competitively, but I'm glad I got the use out of it that I did.
Aether Foundation really put their trust in this thing to save them from interdimensional horrors
I'd love a video centered around redeemed legendries. the Regies having fallen off, only to come back due to formats, or the gas in gigas's case. or say articuno, normally being a throwaway slot being quite good in snow during gen 9.
Can we have Arceus
No we have Arceus at home
Arceus at home:
Jokes aside Silvally is cool but needs better stats
Interestingly, I bet silvally rarely feels completely useless in practice when it’s on a team, but it’s probably pretty much always outclassed by something else in any given role. It will take some hits, it will deal some damage, it will move kinda fast, but the fact that it does none of these things particularly well just means there’s always someone better for your team. Being a jack of all trades with lower base stats and a generally shallower movepool than the other jack of all trades pokemon is just a kinda bad spot.
Silvally can play any role you want, but it lacks a real niche that separates it from anything else.
Being strictly worse than anything is a death sentence, Silvally is pretty strong for a playthrough but there's literally no reason to use it in competitive. It has no ability, no held item, and no STAB...
I'd still consider regigigas worse because while a lot of silvally forms are bad, many of them are pillars of lower tier metagames and some of them are even good in the middle tiers, to a level I consider far more impressive then being not that terrible in DPP (however if we include doubles gigas is definitely better, it actually did somethng)
Regigigas at it's best:
-Baller when can negate it's ability by running weezing / cofagrigas / various skill swap shenanigans in VGC
-You can beat up with someone else to still make use of it's great attack stats in singles
-Even at it's worst it has decent defensive stats to toxic stall or something
Silvally at it's best:
-It can be steel or fairy (while not holding an item)
Game freak saw extreme speed arceus being spammed on showdown and overcompensated
The only stat that increases when type: null evolves is it’s speed. It’s like they forgot to add the other stat growths
Silvally is the embodiment of "if you try to please all you please none“. I always knew it was kinda weak but it’s design alone is the reason why I love it so much.
I like how they gave multi-attack more base power than god's judgment to make up for memories not buffing move power like plates do
fellas, how would you feel if Silvally got these moves.
Calm Mind
Dragon Dance
Extreme Speed
Recover
Stealth Rock
Man, Silvally deverses SO MUCH BETTER. It's easily one of my favorite Legendary Pokemon on every level.
It symbolizes a Mewtwo-like scenario, but with a happy ending and an epic purpose. It's chimera-esque design comes off as uncontained, like this Pokemon is simply living as it wants to - freely - which is exactly what it's doing. It's bright color scheme contrasts brilliantly with Type: Null's muted colors, fully showing that this Pokemon is full of life, has found a place of freedom in the world, and that the many hours of work put into it's creation have finally paid off.
It's even conceptually like the other side of the "Mew" experience coin. While every Pokemon shares Mew's DNA (being the "first" Pokemon), Silvally shared (at the time) every Pokemon's DNA, effectively making things come full circle. Even it's purpose is the inverse of Mewtwo's: while the Mewtwo was created for conquest and evil, Silvally was created for protection and good.
God, I love that Pokemon.
Give the boy a buff with those plates getting a boost!!!
silvally can be a fun draft pick at least. it likely won't cost much but being able to change its type when you have a limited roster is kinda nice for covering matchups and making prep a little more awkward for opponents
Regigigas can atleast spread status + knock off items and generally be bulky / annoying to break through but Silvally there is barely any reason to use any of it's forms aside from fairy & steel in tiers where every other fairy & steel type has gone up a tier due to usage. Being basically a placeholder gotta be the worst fate for such a unique design
Silvally did not deserve this vid :(
poor boy is trying his best
Counterpoint: Silvally is a Good Boy and I want to headpat it
Another point is that Silvally is heavily reliant on holding a Memory for Coverage. It has no ground moves outside of Multi Attack Ground. Heck it doesn’t have E-Speed like Arceus to have a Extreme Killer at PU which probably would’ve helped
Just let it have E-Speed and Recover already, dammit. Give it Healing Wish too while you're at it.
Seeing Regirock and Regice in the beginning reminds me of that one Blunder video where he lost to a team that only had the 3 regis
The very least they could have done for this thing would be giving it 102 across the board to mirror Arceus' 120 across the board.
The next best thing though would be making the disks work like Rotom's forms where they're key items instead of held items. Atleast then it could compensate for its weakness with decent items.
This man literally made a video essay about my favorite pokemon. Thank you.
I didn't know Silvally was even considered legendary lol
Yeah it's in the middle of Alola dex for some reason
It was confirmed as a Legend by a fucking Gamestop event of all things.
This is a crazy idea, but here me out:
1. Give it base 100 everything and only 70 in speed = still 570.
2. Make the disc not only change Silvally typings, but also make the discs a Speed-type thick club; effectively giving it base 140 speed. (RIP Normal Silvally)
3. Give it a normal-type disc that doesnt change it to normal type, but functions like an anti-status item; preventing it from being statused (burn, paralyzed, etc.) [Silvally learn flames charge, it'll live]
I've always felt like a good buff for Silvally would be the memories give it a second typing so normal/(memory) and the memories give him a 20% boost like the Arceus plates do. Also give Silvally extreme speed.
Honestly I wouldn’t even put regigas second worst. It’s bulk stats are just straight up solid and slow start doesn’t affect utility based sets. It was usable in the low tiers on ground overload teams because of gravity and it even had a very brief moment of ou viability in the spectrier meta of gen 8 especially with its buffed movepool finally gaining access to protect and also having knock off as new additions to its kit specifically on balance teams with rillaboom ( it greatly appreciated the recovery from grassy terrain) it’s definitely down there but it’s had its moments
120BP Multi-Attack isn't even better judgement since memories are worse plates. Since plates also give a 20% boost, judgment is also effectivly 120BP
90 BP Multi-Attack was just cruel...
if you want to talk about oms for how useful a pokemon is, silvally is banned from stabmons due to being able to learn every move
I always gave Silvally way more credit than it deserved in draft league, and picked it quite often. As a low tier potpourri support mon it was actually pretty valuable, but MAN it would've been so much better if they gave it Earthquake or High Horsepower. So many of its attacking types are walled by Steel, and it holds it back so much
Multitype not Multi-Attack? Typo detected I demand a refund
I honestly really like using this thing for utility, but the hardest part is picking what other two moves to use besides Parting Shot and Thunder Wave.
Also, the memories don't give type boost like the plates
All he needs is extreme speed 😭 even just quick attack
It’d be cool if they gave it a future paradox or a mega where it comes closer to arceus proper instead of what it is now.
Hey that actually sounds cool
Silvally is the embodiment of “jack of all trades, master of none”
Multitype is my favorite move :3
Reminder that this is the same BST that got us Flutter Mane
There's still hope for an evolution with those even base 100s
we brought it down in Hoenn Gaiden to a gen 3 environment, and its finally useful, turns out a meta where there arent many move above 100 power , having one guaranteed stab 120 move is incredibly useful esp when its mixed attacker stats.
The fact they didnt give 110 across the board is a crime. Hell id take 105. 95 is good a standalone stat. But as ALL of your stats? Big shame what they did to this boi.
You make a lot of good points here, however, Silvally normal is the only pokemon that both gets stab explosion and can outspeed 90% of pokemon with a choice scarf. Also it gets parting shot which is nice.
Sil also used to get magic coat and tailwind, which let it do interesting stuff as a sashed lead, where you could potentially get hazards up, trade with explosion, then give the pokemon switching in a few turns of tailwind. Alternatively, you could use parting shot to give a few turns of tailwind.
I honestly think silvally has some potential in vgc thx to the combination of usefull moves like parting shot, tailwind and some other ways of speed control while also being the strongest explosion user since with tera it can get a x2 boost making the move 500 base power
I genuinely forgot Silvally existed for a moment
That’s why I like syvally and Type-Null. You kinda gotta play around them for how much support they get, except the support they get
Imagine if Silvally had an ability that changes it's type to resist the first attack it's hit by.
ironically the ultrasun dex entry claims "its speed is greatly increased"
Mega forms would be his saving grace it would make since too for this pokémon.
Jimothy mention, this is insane.
Actually, I am certain Regirock is a decent PU tank at its very worst, so it was at least viable in one tier.
And that's before it received Body Press.
Man I really *really* wish Silvally gets a significant buff in Gen 10 my poor baby boy does *not* deserve this 😭
I've been ranking pokemon teams from in game, in the anime, and in the manga
And it broke my heart cutting Silvally from Gladion's full power team
Praise be to Jimothy Cool
Praise be to Jimothy Cool
Arceus is high tier in Ubers since its inception because it has access to a ton of options that mitigate it not having an item. Recover covers for not having Leftovers and it taking more hazards damage in some forms. It has access to Calm Mind, Bulk Up, Swords Dance, and Dragon Dance as a multitude of boosting moves to cover for the lack of Choice items/Life Orb. And its plates boost its move bp anyways, so they at least count for _something._ And even if you don't want to run a plate and ditch its signature ability, it has access to STAB E-Speed to nuke mons regardless of Speed (not to say that Arceus doesn't still have a lot of that).
Silvally has none of those. I mean, it has Swords Dance, I guess. Even it's memories not boosting specific types is a huge downgrade. "But Multi-Attack is 120 bp, so it's equal to Judgement with a plate boost!" Yeah, and what if you want to run a special attacking set, on a mon with _equal Attack and Special Attack?_ Into the bin it goes.
And even running a physical Silvally is hard. It has its signature move at 120 bp with no drawback and SD, but then... are you going to run Double-Edge? The elemental fangs that still sit at 65 bp and 95% accuracy? Aerial Ace? Reversal?
If Multi-Attack worked like Photon Geyser, where it was physical or special depending on Silvally's stats, then I could see it jumping up a tier. But it really needs better setup moves for its special side, a way better physical movepool (where's Earthquake, Game Freak? _Komala_ gets Earthquake), and _access to any form of recovery to cover for the fact that 17 out of 18 of its forms don't have access to Leftovers or Heavy-Duty Boots_ in order to do any sort of work in higher competitive tiers.
Silvaly and Type-null are legendary?!
I actually played Sun and Moon and I didn't actually realise that.
There's basically no downside to just giving Type Null an eviolite instead of evolving it. You get a real (although kind of mid) ability, and all stats but speed are identical so Null can be way bulkier. Your best method of recovery is still Rest Talk, but it outshines Temu Arceus in the same role.
RAHHHHHHHH I MADE THAT MEME LETSGOOOOOOOO
The line’s so cool man, shit’s such a shame
Imagine how okay it would be with base 100 across the board, or how decent it would be with 105 or 110 across the board. Might just about make it in Gen 9 OU at that point
Jimothy Cool mentioned, this is insane.
They should have given it base 102 in every stat as another reference to Arceus (which has base 120). While it still wouldn't have been amazingly strong, the speed in particular would've given it a crucial leg up on a lot of other mons.
Type: Null is actually really interesting, as it has a nearly identical statline to Silvally, has access to t-wave and pivot moves, and can use Eviolite. Eviolite Type: Null is one of the bulkist mons in the game and is effectively impossible to OHKO or even 2HKO. Unfortunately, lack of recovery and eviolite dependence kinda limits it's in practice utility and so it's not great.
I know this is a singles focused video, but I would still give the slight edge to Regigigas because it is usable in VGC alongside Kantonian Weezing
Silvally exists, and arguably Eviolite Type:Null might actually be better
Silvally was actually really good and a meta threat in the very serious format of gym leader leagues where you can't change your Pokemon but you *can* change your items, because that allows you to counterpick all the monotype players. And it's a decent glue mon with Parting Shot.
Regigias is actually good in doubles when paired with Weezing.
dude, i remeber getting regice in a game of random doubles. THEY GAVE ME BLIZZARD, ICY WIND, T BOLT, AND PROTECT. I MISSED 6 BLIZZARDS AND AN ICY WIND. BOTH MY REGICE AND THIER GLIMMORA WERE ON THE FIELD THE ENTIRE GAME. I fucking hate regice.
I personally would just quadruple down on the whole Mini-Arceus route they were going for. Arceus promotes creativity and healthy meta game development (part of why gen 8 ubers sucked without it), so it'd be cool if Sivally can do that too on the lower tiers with how gross the power creep has been.
-Buff all of its base stats into 105, strongish, bulky, and fast, but not TOO any of those.
-Give the Memories 1.2x power boost like the Plates do. Like why not?
-Have Z-crystals change type. Like what the hell happened? Why isn't it like this?
-Make Multi-Attack a physical version of Judgement, goes without saying
-Give it more moves that made Arceus so good, like E-Speed, Calm Mind, Recover, and some other physical coverage for a start.
I have always disliked that the Memories didn't do anything but take up an item slot to change Silvaly's type. So here's what I would change:
It (and only it) becomes *immune* to it's own type. Instantly giving it a niche with Bug and Dark types as a switch in against U-Turn and Knock Off.
I think that would really expand on the purpose of the drives since Arceus' Plates add the 20% boost in comparison.
Well at least his character design is cool.
Silvally is so bad that Arceus blessed him with his own power… it still wasn’t enough.
Silvally should of had 100 stats across the board, and the disc of course should of increased the specific types power, probably why they buffed Multi-Attack to 120 base power from 90 base power
IMO Silvaly and type-null should've had the same bst but with Type-Null being defensive and slow with Sivaly being strong and fast but frail. Would've worked better if the memories boosted types
ZU shitter is now one of my favorite descriptors for bad pokemon.
Please Game freak, buff my all time favorite pokemon. I don’t care if he breaks the meta. Just make Silvally good
I never realized that Sylvally counted as a legendary. I always thought that the point of it was supposed to be a Pokémon that could use Arceus’ gimmick without having to be a legendary, thus being able to be used in formats that discounted legendary usage. I always thought it wasn’t used just because it wasn’t good enough, not because it took a legendary slot while not being good enough
Imagine if the Memories could store TMs inside them that Silvally could use at any time, sort of like a Z-move. I feel like it'd be a lot better and more unique with just that functional 5th moveslot.
I got some succes in gen 8 doubles OU by using silvally as a suicide lead because he has the strongest explosion in the tier. Granted it only worked in gimicky teams that relied on setting something up while blowing up the oposing lead and wouldn't work at all in a tournament but it was fun.
They could've done base 100 across the board. You don't get it during any main-game stories in gen 7, and it would've been a nice call back to the previous mythicals. Would've also helped at least a little bit.
I legit forgot it was legendary. But like, Cosmog exists.
They should boost his stats to make them 105 or 110 across the board.
i think another terrible trait to note about silvally is its movepool. despite being able to become any type, it doesn't actually GET moves of certain types (most notably ground and fairy) outside hidden power and multi attack. you'd think a diverse movepool would be a no-brainer, but apparently not