@@blueskyalchemist623 oh for sure, in doubles glastrier has advantages like rage powder support, trick room, and dynamax which really helps it stand out
I would love to see a Regice tier, then. A tier specifically for Pokémon that are so mismatched or so weak as an evolved form that they will never have any legitimate use save a massively reduced Pokédex, and possibly the best suitable game for them. Ledian, Delibird, and Regice would be the Pokémon that exist in this tier. Edited as Alcremie is good in PU.
@@noukan42 Regigigas needs to delegate two moveslots to get rid of its ability and even afterwards, it’s completely walled by Pokemon like Spiritomb, Gourgeist-Super, Tangela, and Stunfisk-Galar. Fighting-types like Gurdurr and Poliwrath can threaten it or just deal a lot of damage before it has a chance to get rid of slow start.
Hasn’t cuno fallen off quite a bit in UU since the snow twins (tales & zolt) went to ou and nerfed its blizzard again? Haven’t played RU lately so dont know bout that tier
@@drcreed6320 Its usage in UU was never related to hail. Its niche is on stall teams. It has been a while since I played UU and I've hardly seen this thing so take this description with a grain of salt- The things that it offers over other Defoggers are Pressure (only shared with Moltres), Heal Bell (Lets Chansey use a different move) and massive special bulk.
It’s so depressing to compare Regigigas’ stats to Zacian crowned. You gotta wait five turns to get a mon that has lower stats than the latter in every regard except HP, and he doesn’t even have that much more hp
Yes. Furthermore, this reset also occurs if a Neutralizing Gas Pokémon dies, so there is no way to circumvent how bad Regigigas is: you just pair it with a Weezing on lower tiers and go to town.
I'd honestly rather go Whimsicott with Worry Seed, get rid of Slow Start right off the bat, and be able to switch Whim to a supporter or redirecter (or just have Whimsicott do Whimsicott things, Regigigas appreciates Whimsicott things).
@@DoctorSpacebar Yea, I remember back when Pokemon Battle Revolution was still widely played that there was someone called Gigatitan that used to use Regigigas in a similar way though using Skill swap.
Part of what makes Silvally so bad is that it's the only Pokemon in the game that has to choose between an ability or an item. If you want to use a typed Silvally, you need to use an item for it, and if you want an actual item you effectively have no ability. I've always wondered why GameFreak didn't give the memories a 20-30% damage buff to their respective types of held by Silvally.
@@Dexuz Not even like Arceus. At least with Arceus you also get an actual item with plates/crystals. Only normal Arceus gives up it's ability to have a different item, but considering how e-killer is arguably the strongest Arceus form...
As a Silvally fan, I hate that and also wish they didn't give it balanced stats. It should have less defense and more offense considering that it no longer has the mask. The stat difference between Type: Null and Silvally is so negligible that your probably better off using Eviolite Type: Null instead
Regigigas is a constant reminder of Game Freak's boundless cruelty; in PLA where Abilities aren't used (though they're coded in), poor Regigigas is STILL shackled down by Slow Start. The poor titan is doomed to be as competitively useful as goddamn Ledian.
I'm pretty sure Slow Start works differently in PLA. Instead, Regigigas attack and speed starts out normal then got boosted after 5 turns then the usual halved for 5 turns. That's what I heard so I could be wrong :/
@@nari610 just looked it up, and Bulbapedia says that it still works the same, but since the attack calculations are different, the halved attack is much less impactful
I really hope the Slow Start buff from Legends Arceus carries over to the main line, Regigigas having no stat drops and gaining a free Scarf and Band after 5 turns in battle is amazing.
@@pepus777 it's slightly different, in the main series regigas has halved attack and speed for 5 turns, in LoA it gains 50% extra attack and speed after 5 turns, meaning it goes from good to even better rather than from struggling to reliable
At 8:15 this statement was said "If only Mesprit or Uxie had recover it would be a totally different pokemon" Hold onto that thought. While compatability with Home is not available yet (It was confirmed to happen though) in Pokemon Legends Arceus, Mesprit DID get recover. As soon as the compatability is made, depending on the limits, Mesprit could see a huge change because of that
The fact that Arceus could change its type in Gen 7 with a Z-Crystal and Silvally couldn't do the same is one of the most confusing things about Gen 7 to me. Silvally wouldn't be much better given its stat total but at least it'd have a strong one-time nuke like other Pokemon had.
It's probably because the Memory items didn't give a boost to the moves of the respective type. So there would be zero reason to use them over a Z crystal.
also Sylvally is meant to be an imperfect attempt to replicate Arceus, which is why it has lower stats and (originally) lower BP signature move. Makes sense that even his ability is a slightly worse variant of Arceus' one.
@@getthegoons yes it can, though Z-variants of Arceus are primarily physical since they can't make Judgement work (or they're using alternative special STAB like Thunder or Fire Blast)
It’s amazing how Glastrier is considered bad when its stats are just slightly worse than Calyrex-Ice, a Pokemon that has to compete and is threatened by Calyrex-Shadow but still manages to be amazing. Just goes to show how much Physical Lugia bulk, 130 STAB, and better support moves can do.
@@pierre1069. why agility that mon have Trick room so no Need for agility in AG is These mon so a Dangerous threat because as DMAX IT can only 1 shotted by zacian-c otherwise its Not nearly killed (sucker Punch yveltal is 25% damage) and He can in Trick room 1 Shot everything beside Dusk mane and thats 1 Shot after weakness Policy is procc the Problem at calyrex ice is you cant kill it easy 7 weakness where Not a Single is x4 but a bulk from 100/150/130 toxapex have 55/152/142 and toxapex is already hard to kill but caly ice is way bulkier and have even an Attack Stat from 165 with a moxie that mon is way more Stronger as people wanna admit
Why does Regigigas has to deal with the god forbidden slow start and on top being Normal type which has no resistances except for the Ghost immunity. Gamefreak did Regigigas real bad
Easy. Pokémon are not made for competitive but to exist and therefore in that sense overpowered stuff are accidents, and they never consider actual balance so Zacian exists, and so does Regigigas. Basically, Regigigas has lore about it starting up so it will never not have Slow Start. Furthermore, it is built that it would be far more broken if it did not have Slow Start so they will never remove Slow Start for “balance”. They wouldn’t know balance if it was spelled out for them, then forced to walk a tightrope where the weights on the pole they have are scale weights. And that is also not including the fact that Regigigas has a bad moveset. Zacian is built to be super strong as a legendary hero but it was given the best typing, an immediate boost to its relevant attacking stat, and a wide movepool. Had Zacian and Zamazenta been properly thought through, they would have been like Xerneas and Yveltal, a pair strong in their own ways. But nope; that one-person theory about the Darkest Day (that one hero defeated Eternatus) in the past is essentially correct given it was most likely Zacian who did the work. And Zamazenta is only viable because Knock Off is useful and Weavile exists and there is no way in hell many Zacian form will be in Ubers.
@@iantaakalla8180 I dunno if is an "accident". Ever since Gen 6 they made cover legendaries SUPER BROKEN, even for the VGC format. Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre are obscene! Mega Rayquaza is broken! Necrosma DM is also somehow broken. I don't think they making Zacian busted was an accident. I think they knew what they're were doing.
Ngl, Silvally is the kind of mon that is so close to being great it’s sad. Some new moves, like hazards, eq, e speed, knock off and recover would help massively, and another idea would be to make the memories also give a boost to the specific type, similar to the plates they emulate. Best case scenario, a 50% boost to make offensive variants a menace.
I once met a person using that and he d maxed right away, activated a weakness policy from a different mon (on the enemy side) and almost swept my team
really dig the longer form content here, but that said, everything you put out is engaging and well made. i love lower tiers, you give them a lot of attention and time and i love that.
I love this. I’d love to see something similar with fully evolved Pokémon that are outshined by the NFE forms, or NFEs that look like they should/could be better than their fully evolved form but aren’t for whatever reason (I think scyther is a great example of this category given it has identical stats to it’s evolved form).
A video idea: as good as unused Pokémon move sets which are actually very strong. For example, a rock polish-iron defense-body press Registeel. Almost everybody that fights a Registeel expects it to setup with stealth rock, but with speed EV investment to 198 and maximum defense + boosting nature makes it incredibly hard hitting against any non-ghost type. Yes there may be 4x resist like Togekiss and Gardevoir, and Ghost types are a thing, but for the last slot there’s still shadow claw or iron head. It works really well in UU and at times even sweeps in OU, if there are no ghosts present. Another one which doesn’t work as good is belly drum Charizard. Setup screens then lunar dance with cresselia or healing wish with another screen setup and swap into Charizard if favorable matchup. The opponent almost always swaps, which is a free turn for belly drum + sitrus berry, and it can hit basically anything with Earthquake, Rock Slide and Flare Blitz.
Articuno does have one thing going for it, it’s an excellent user of Sheer Cold. If you were Battle Stadium Singles, the cartridge game’s official ladder, Articuno has a legitimately good niche as a Sheer Cold fisher than can easily set up Substitute and fish for Sheer Colds against Chansey, Mega Sableye, Cresselia, Suicune, and Porygon 2. The reason you won’t see such set in Smogon and VGC is because the former band OHKO moves and the latter makes OHKO fishing not a viable strategy due to Doubles. And if you are wondering about Stealth Rock, you don’t have to worry as much, Stealth Rock ( and the other hazards ) isn’t nearly as common in 3v3 due to the reduced switching compared to 6v6. One team I used in SM was Articuno and Gliscor on a stall team with Mega Sableye as a way to deny hazards. Articuno and Gliscor served as a terrifying OHKO duo to improve stall mirrors, with Articuno handling Special Attackers, and Gliscor handling physical attackers. If you run Stealth Rock, it’s solely to break Focus Sashes. Here’s an article on Smogon for how Articuno works in XY: www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/articuno/battle-spot-singles/
Articuno can also use Mind Reader to ensure that Sheer Cold hits. It may not be the most viable strategy since the effects of Mind Reader go away if its target switches out, but I still think it's kind of interesting that Articuno can do this. I'm pretty sure that no other Pokémon can learn both an OHKO move and an accuracy bypassing move... well, aside from Smeargle, of course.
I love this kind of content, YT recommended me one of your videos a feew weeks ago, and I love to watch them now. I love to have them on the background and listen to them, they're super interesting, with a lot of nice information.
I love how your uploads are slowly improving and have become higher quality than they used to be. I love how your uploads (at least these kinda of uploads and not the ladder climbing ones) are separated in bite sized chunks and made easy to understand for both new and intermediate players alike compared to other showdown pktubers who are also roughly at your skill level as a player whether it be at competitive battling or vgc or nuzlockes or whatever gamemode they specialise in who very often tend to overwhelm their viewers with topics and uploads lasting as long as 40 minutes or even an hour which isn't inherently bad in itself. Personally I like listening to that kind of thing in the background as a kind of podcast while I do other things and the quality of their uploads usually don't really suffer from that kind of upload style. I just think you're filling a niche in the showdown community that's very beginner friendly, helping players by breaking down more complex metal into smaller pieces, resulting in them being easier to internalise and understand. I've been watching your content for a long time and I really enjoy what you put out. Sorry this is so long winded but I just wanted to say I'm going to continue to support your channel and I love the kind of content you produce.
It would certainly help it out significantly, but there's still the issue of having to wait for 5 whole turns before the ability stops hindering it, which has always been the biggest thing holding Regigigas back from being even halfway decent at best. Because of this, I'm not sure how much this change would really help it out; just to be clear, I'm not denying that it would be an improvement, I'm just not sure if it's a big enough one to let it break out of it's current placement of being probably the worst legendary Pokemon of all time
@@matthewkuscienko4616 Okay, so making Slow Start not reset on switch wouldn't be enough to make Regigigas any good because 5 turns is still quite a long time. But what if they also reduced Slow Start's duration to 3 turns? How do you think Regigigas would fare then?
@@matthewkuscienko4616 oh yeah definitely, that’s why I chose the word “useable” over “viable” since you’ll basically have a Pokémon that starts the battle asleep and you’d have to burn slow start like it is sleep turns before it can actually do anything. Definitely not good but at least it you can use it
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 I still think they should a huge power-like buff to slow start. If you manage to keep Regigigas alive for the 5 turns without switching, his attack and speed double. Tbh this probably would be a tad unbalanced, but Im sure it can be tweaked. Maybe 1.5x attack, but reducing the ammount of slow start turns to 3, idk
Tbh Uxie is pretty nice to set up a sweep in AG. Also I learned a few months ago that it's faster than Mesprit but I still don't understand why. Also Freezai uhh, if there would be 2 new Regis with 200 atk and 200 spatk, what do you think would be a cool typing for them? Imo 200 atk Fighting and 200 spatk Bug would be nice, since they both resist each other. Tbh if Silvally just got a better movepool and Recover (since it's based on Arceus), it might be used more since Multi-Attack is pretty much a Physical Judgment. Its stats are dumb for a FE Legendary, it essentially cant hold any items, its ability is cheap Multitype (you can't use Z-Crystals), and barely any coverage Oh and if Garticuno's Freezing Glare had like 20 percent Freeze and had some good coverage for Dark and Steel types, it might also be as good as its Galarian birb friemds
fighting and to a lesser extent bug type regi's wouldn't fit honestly they're supposed to be made put of basic disposable material (the only one that isn't is regidrago and it's one of my least favorite mons partially for that very reason) they should just stop making new regis and instead focus on making the ones we have actually worth using
@@fortnitesexman I believe the core design philospy behind the regi's is they reprsent ages, ice, stone, iron, medieval and modern age. Guess you could have dark for dark age, or poison for industrial age.
@@nobodyspecial2053 My idea for a Regice signature move is a Special Ice-type Earthquake that is guaranteed to Freeze. I mean, using Scald ends Freeze and pretty much every Water-type that can run Scald does, so... Regirock would get a Recover that heals more in Sandstorm. Registeel would get a Cosmic Power that also buffs Speed. Giving those to Regigigas on top of Thunder Cage and Dragon Energy would probably be enough to offset Slow Start in terms of viability. Plus it'd make the Regis themselves more viable.
Then Regice would be banned from even Ubers and still be useless because its best move would be linked to a horrible Freeze effect that would skyrocket its placing to AG where it would still most likely suck because it has only that.
I do really like this kind of content, not only for legendaries, but also for common pokemon too. It's very interesting how those pokemon ended up in the lowest tiers, and even some of them having interesting niches in the higher tiers, like Cresselia or Uxie, or even Machamp in BDSP OU. I totally support this idea 👌🏼👌🏼
I wouldn't generalize Reliable recovery every direct healing move besides Rest since technically Life Dew applies to that desceiption as well and is not a reliable recovery (unless you play doubles). Still, really good video :]
@@J242D they dont need to swap. Life dew should just work as it is in doubles and in singles heal 50%, Same total healing, just on 1mon instead of 2 as is only 1 aviable.
@@zyella277 i think they should cause regenerator is really broken lol, I’m down for your idea too tho but i think regen is a bit much as it is and life dew is a bit weak
Choice specs Regigigas is pretty funny, especially since most everyone has the preconceived thought of it being a stall mon only, it can absolutely get kills though
It's crazy how Moltres is UU for 3 gens despite having a fire/flying typing and only recently got heavy duty boots. Like what is Moltres doing in UU in gen 6, typing seems so killer for it to do much before the timbs
Moltres is the definition of a one trick pony. It has thermonuclear damage output, and pebbles aside, is tough enough to handle being outsped once or twice. Moltres has a lot in common with Volcarona, actually.
I don't play competitive at all but seeing what stealth rock does to a bunch of types is kinda sad. I feel like they need to nerf it so more things become viable without having to throw boots on them.
Yeah. I've heard of halving its base damage, so it deals 6ish% by default, 12% to SE, and 25% to 4x. I don't actually think that helps some of these guys, Regice has much bigger problems than losing 25% to pebbles, but, I feel like it's a healthier game. Not like that matters. This game's been pretty sick for a while.
Since I didn't see anyone mention this in the comments, I'm going to. Mesprit, once home hits for PLA, will LIKELY be in better standings than it is now. Getting Recover, as well as Mystical Power, are both going to be big boons to it in the competitive scene. However, this still doesn't mean Mesprit is going to be seeing OU any time soon, as Psychic still is a meh defensive typing and it still has steep competition in Cresselia, but at the very least, it won't be a sitting duck like Uxie is currently without any sort of reliable recovery. Could definitely see it move up a tier or two because of the PLA additions it received.
Regice is bad in competitive Pokemon but in random battles it is surprisingly difficult to break through if you don't have enough coverage. I never lost a randbats when I have a regice, and it is so remarkable that I do remember that fact. For context I'm not a great player, I hover around 1500-1600.
The only way to make regigigas viable without completely changing its thematic would be to make Slow Start allow regigigas be able to "get going" more gradually. Instead of being 0.5 atk and speed and after 5 turns get its normal stats back, I would make regigigas start at -3 atk and speed and get a free dragon dance at the end of the turn. You still need to keep regigigas on the field for several turns to make it work, but once he gets going he just keeps getting going and becomes unstoppable. Thus the reward is actually worth trying.
Heck, they made Zacian and Mega Rayquaza, two pokemon with even HIGHER stats and an ability that actually helps them, so why don't we give Regigigas an ability that can have a net benefit in the long run? Make it start with a speed debuff and no attack debuff, but also let it get a speed increase each turn like Speed Boost.
I think these longer videos work well in terms of having content on a particular topic all in one place. It makes it easier to find the content you're looking for, reduces bloat, and isn't excessively long in the first place. 10 to 15 minutes is quite manageable for tackling a single topic fulsomely.
I was running Sylvally Ground in Gen 8 OU with max SpAtk investment, Ice Beam Flamethrower then typically U-Turn and Multi Attack. It was good to catch Landorus, Garchomp, Heatran, Ferrothorn, Kartana, etc. If Landorus wasn't specially defensive, you would just OHKO. Definitely very hard to play because it's damage is pitiful other than 4x but it has great coverage and surprise factor; they always expect you to be strictly physical. I got between 1600 and 1700 with the team twice
I do like this style of longer content :) I have a buddy who used to play a shit ton of Gen 5 NU and he got me into showdown, so learning all the stuff abt the lower tiers is always gonna be cool to me
I honestly really love bringing Glastrier into Ubers matches lmao. I know the pitiful speed and mono-Ice typing look awful, and it's true that it's not great to deal with, but the dude is surprisingly chonky even without reliable recovery. He can generally hang around long enough to deal out some decent damage; even if he doesnt get any KOs, he can screw up your opponent's strategy and get you in a good position to set up a win. Folks underestimate him so he makes for a surprisingly effective early-game cleaner
man you must be working 24/7. these videos are so high effort! we notice and we appreciate it. Keep up all the choice uploads, but make sure you take care of yourself and dont get overworked!
A couple things I'll say about regigigas are: Moxie/Beast Boost and Shield Dust. It's possible to use skill swap in doubles to give regigigas these abilities which turn it from a big threat to an immediately serious threat. Pairing it with Rhibombee and giving it shield dust makes moves like scald and fake out useless, and I can force a switch and/or cripple an opponent's physical attacker which I can then follow up on with support moves in after you (I think, might have been me first) and helping hand for an additional power boost and pollen puff for healing/damage where needed.
This was a nice form of content, maybe we could get a follow up video on how we could improve these legendary Pokémon. PLEASE GAMEFREAK, BUFF ENTEI, ENTEI DESERVES MORE LOVE!
If you think about it, that’s pretty much starting with a mom inflicted with a full 3 turns of sleep, which is a death sentence for most mons. Honestly, I would still find it hard to say if in UU currently without an ability. Normal type is honestly such a mediocre typing and normal type offensively is easily walled by a lot of physical walls and ghost types. I am almost tempted to say it’s more held by by its typing than Slow Start nowadays.
I'mma be honest. I'm not sure Stench Regigigas would make it to Ubers. I think the sheer walbreaking power it has would put it in OU, since it could muscle through some hardcore stuff, but as a niche pick, not as a primary threat. Stench Slaking is another issue entirely. It has reliable recovery and setup that would allow it to just sweep teams. Regigigas does not have this. It's a high skill wallbreaker, that if it messes up, you probably don't get a second chance.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 stench isn't even the best example of a "useless" ability since it grants a 10% flinch chance to your non-flinching moves, so perhaps a better example would be...Run Away?
Ice is one of my favorite types, so it sucks to see how bad it is competitively, and how for most cases it’s just an outright negative if a Pokémon is ice type
I think it would be cool to hear about the history of Barraskewda in gen 8 competitive. It started OU, dropped to RU, and has risen back to OU, despite some of the threats that knocked it down to RU still being in OU
as a chad singles trick room user i can assure you uxie is the greatest trick room lead because of its bulk, funny rocks and memento to get a mon in for free it’s very niche but it fills its niche well i’d say
8:09 oh, yeah, i took your opinion, wolf's videos and saw a little of competitive pokemon in any league, and i chose the perfect sets for my fan pokemon, basically it is in the trio starter, and it should be a fairly fast pokemon, bulky and with moves such as: Protect, Substitute, Hazy day (a fan move that put +1 to Def, Sp.Def and -1 to Speed while also giving 1/16 of health for 4 turns), Slack off and others. also i made it a Ground/Steel with an ability that makes it resistant to Ice moves while also giving it a high chance to get burn while using a physical move (1/8 chance). also this is his base stats (WIP): HP: 100 ATK: 92 DEF: 115 SPE: 78 Sp.A: 50 Sp.D: 80 Also, i still haven't made the true and final version, so for now it have basically the moveset of ferrothorn and a little of Torterra (yeah, his typing comes from the person who is based on, who loves Ferrothorn and also love his favorite starter, Torterra)
I don't keep up with VGC so I'd love to hear why Glastrier is incredibly meta in that format! Unrelated but I also wanted to say that it's always felt weird to me that Rock is a worse defensive type than Ground. I just attribute the concept of strength more to rocks than I to do the ground. And I guess since so many Pokemon are Rock/Ground type, Ground type has always felt secondary to me, kind like "Rock type the 2nd" or "Rock type part 2."
Speed control moves like Trick Room and Tailwind are far more viable in doubles. In singles, after using Trick Room you only get 4 moves over 4 turns, one of which might be switching out the Trick Room setter for a sweeper. In doubles, you get 8 moves over 4 turns, and it's possible to lead your setter and sweeper, or to lead something like Incineroar and Dusclops, and the Incineroar uses Parting Shot to switch in the sweeper while Dusclops sets up Trick Room.
If Regigigas had a truly absurd stat line like Zacian Crowned, it might have seen some use. I'm talking 110/200/125/50/125/60 (same base stat total, but massive attack and noticeably tanky). Maybe even a higher base stat total.
Another reason Sylvally can be useless is competition for team slot from other Silvally form. You would never use Electric and grass type version in NU when Ground is the best setup sweeper/wallbreaker of NU and Steel is a solid pivot. Same with Fairy and Ghost in PU over every other form. Home PU banned like 10 banning Silvally forms, one or two at the time because people were just abusing the most reliable form.
Same thing hit Arceus. Normal, Ghost, and Steel made up the majority of all Arceus sets, with niche use of Rock, Ground, and Water. Arceus Bug, Poison, or Fighting are certainly Ubers pokemon that even have unique uses, you're just almost never going to use them over the good forms.
Regice would pretty much stay the same. Better, of course, it now gets to actually compete, and probably be better than Avalugg, but slow, defensive Ice type is a curse that needs more than Recover to fix. Regirock... might not even notice. Regirock needs it the least, it HAS Drain Punch, and usually ends up running things like AV, Weakness Policy, ect. Registeel is the real winner, it no longer needs to run Rest Talk or Chesto Resto. Registeel suffers pretty badly from 4MSS, and doesn't need the status immunity very badly. Recover would help.
It's funny because I was able to use Silvally-Dragon to great success on occasion with the team I set up with it. That moveset it was given is pretty strong if you know how to take advantage of it.
Gonna send this to all those uneducated people still running around with the mindset of "ugh you're cheating by using legendaries all legendaries should be banned from competitive"
I know not all legendaries are born great, but I honestly still can't get rid of that irky feeling whenever I use a legendary in an OU team. Except for Tornadus-Therian because I got Anniversary Skyla in Pokemon Masters.
It is not exactly that. My problem is that using legendaries to me break the immersion. If pokemon were real there would be only 1 regigigas and it would either be illegal to disturb it would be in possession of some mega rich plutocrat. Surely won't be used by me or you and a regigigas mirror match would nevsr happen because 2 don't exist. The same goes for any legendary. The tier that i'd like to play is basically AG whitout legendaries, because that feel like the most "authentic" to what pokenon battling would bs irl. I know that cinderace is 100 time better than articubo, but if both would be real i could potentially catch a cinderace, but not an articuno.
You're really good at explaining competitive merits, I would love if you tackled bigger topics like Baton Pass in Gen 5 or why Curse sets are so good in Gen 2, for longer videos
I feel like a lot of the old ones were just designed for fun in the days before competitive pokemon... and there's always going to be a few of the lesser legends that don't measure up to their "Siblings" The Tapus prove that Gamefreak can make good ones out of the entire group, but the Galar Birds seem to show a lack of thought... or intentionally nerfing them so hard that they can't be as good
And naturally, the Articuno of that group is still the worst, the Zapdos is best and the Moltres is not far behind. They captured the competitive relationship between the Kantonian birds quite well with the Galarian birds.
@@iantaakalla8180 I really think they all suffer from massive movepool limitations right now Granting them all Roost and Heat Wave (like every other bird pokemon) would solve a lot of issues there just with recovery and coverage I honestly believe all 6 of the birds need a stat rework to even out their viability
That unfortunately is also part of their design. As the birds seems to be elemental birds they seem like they only embody their element therefore their bad coverage. And Ice/Flying and Psychic/Flying suck. Yes, Fire/Flying sucks but at least Moltres is actually good defensively and has power otherwise. The other three typings are actually good. Furthermore, as GameFreak is loathe to significantly change a Pokémon, especially their stats, (though coverage moves may happen they are unlikely to happen when they are useful) any Articuno will suck and the birds will remain coverageless. And the one they put the most work into, Masquerain, is so bad that it was effectively wasted and exists to be a bad counterpart to Dewpider.
@@iantaakalla8180 Stuff like Masquerain still have the chance for an evolution down the road, Legendaries don't And I'm not asking too much for Articuno tbh Ice type needs a rework and that could save Articuno-K, Articuno-G is actually pretty solid tbh access to more coverage is going to eventually happen over time Ghost/Psychic/Flying coverage isn't bad at all... I think one of it's main issues is how one dimensional it is right now... it always has those moves and the Competitive ability
Part of it is just the stat philosophy shift that started in gen 5. Gen 4 and earlier pokemon tend to be much more evenly distributed in their stats, and the legendaries are not only no exception, but are sometimes the worst offenders. Look at Entei, compared to something like Tapu Bulu. Entei is spread so thin that it manages to mostly fall short in everything, while Tapu Bulu is pretty harshly minmaxed. Or, look at Palkia and Dialga versus Solgaleo and Lunaala, or the sword dog of balanced and healthy meta. Palkia and Dialga are sporting something like 120 base Attack. Historically, Palkia actually did use that attack to punch Blissey in the schnoz, but an off-attacking stat like that is unthinkable now. The clearest example isn't a legendary, but Conkeldur versus Machamp. Conkeldur embraces the idea that any speed below about 55 is wasted, and special attack won't be used anyways, to trim down and specialize what is otherwise pretty much identical stats. The result is just Better Machamp.
Articuno-G is very VERY niche, but it works as a setup sweeper in OU and UU against intimidate users at the cost of not being able to pull off recovers as often. With CM/Psychic move/flying move/recover or coverage + adrenaline Orb it does well against lead Lando very well, the issue is its INSANELY hard to pull off, and Bisharp does really well against it. In lower tiers it's good at playing Bisharps old role of taking advantage of defog users, albeit steels and darks not week to flying can do well defensively, and even if you run the adrenaline Orb set scarfers can revenge kill. Hard to pull off, but if it sets up it can be really hard to stop if don't figure out its last move
No cabe duda incluso sus hijos. Aunque Regieleki fue un accidente por ser extrañamente bueno en el competitivo y tener la suerte de haber recibido 200 de velocidad base
Its funny because Regigigas has a niche in VGC/Doubles with neutralising gas or an entrainment pokemon. Its stats are pretty damn good and its coverage is insane. It has high horsepower, all the elemental punches, knock off, etc and so can be a really scary pokemon, especially in a dynamax setting.
And the worse part is the one that outclassed it is its counterpart Ho-oh. Ho-oh getting regenerator, burn chance in sacred fire, better defensive typing, and defog/heavy duty boots nullifying sneaky pebbles made it a better tank in later gen ubers.
What would change if Regigigas got a hidden ability. I'm thinking either Pressure, Clear Body, or Mold Breaker, or maybe Stalwart if you want an ability that does nothing. Where d'you think it would end up?
Does anyone know what the acronym "PU" stands for? The other ones make sense to me, but that one I really can't figure out lol Great video as always Freezai! I love these kinds of "Here's why" videos, they're very informative and easy to watch!
I am just confused why the lake guardians don't have recover. Like I figured it be a perfect move for and be on almost every psychic Pokemon in general
Your vids got me back into Showdown. Thank you for sharing all the great information and offering insight as to why the meta is what it is. Sub well earned
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I love how in Arceus, they completely removed abilities... but Regigigas STILL has Slow Start. Somehow.
Because Slow Start isn't an Ability
It's a Permanent Detriment
they didn’t remove disabilities
@@threehotdogs 🙂
@@threehotdogs this is perfect
It's bc they have a spite against it's designer
I quite frankly love that Calyrex's base form sucks because he outright tells you he's nothing without his horse. And yeah, that's extremely true.
Calyrex giving you teambuilding advice
zacian: 170 attack
regigigas: 160 attack
zacian gets +1 attack boost upon switching in
regigigas gets slow start
Don't forget that Zacian has two of the best types in the game while Regigigas has **normal**.
@@MenwithHill The best type combo period.
@@Magic_Ice Gigas would have great speed in Ubers though if it weren't for Slow Start. 100 base outspeeds a lot of the game there.
@Faiv regi is absolutely amazing in hackmons because of immunity to spectral thief and STAB facade poison heal to ignore status
Rayquaza base stat total: 680
Regigigas base stat total: 670
One of these received a mega evolution.
Seeing glastrier fail so spectacularly in singles feels weird considering how insanely good it is in VGC
I think mainly because field effs like Trick Room, Tailwind and whatever fuckery the Tapus bring in have much bigger impact
@@blueskyalchemist623 oh for sure, in doubles glastrier has advantages like rage powder support, trick room, and dynamax which really helps it stand out
@@hellothere2570 yeah, having a redirecting mon helps its horrible Ice type a lot.
This is why I feel vgc is better because there are so many different combos that can make things work. Like wheezing and regigigas
@@jacobschmitz9903 but in smogon singles you can just play a lower tier where your mon you want to use is good
As a ZU main, I can confirm I never see Regigigas on a team. It’s so sad that such a dope mon sees zero use even in the ZeroUsed tier.
I am genuinely surprised by that. Even if attacking with it is useless there must be some use for a mon with 110 defensive stats across the board.
I would love to see a Regice tier, then. A tier specifically for Pokémon that are so mismatched or so weak as an evolved form that they will never have any legitimate use save a massively reduced Pokédex, and possibly the best suitable game for them.
Ledian, Delibird, and Regice would be the Pokémon that exist in this tier.
Edited as Alcremie is good in PU.
@@noukan42 Slow, gets worn down easily
@@noukan42 Regigigas needs to delegate two moveslots to get rid of its ability and even afterwards, it’s completely walled by Pokemon like Spiritomb, Gourgeist-Super, Tangela, and Stunfisk-Galar. Fighting-types like Gurdurr and Poliwrath can threaten it or just deal a lot of damage before it has a chance to get rid of slow start.
@@iantaakalla8180 Alcremie is viable on PU as Special Wall and even Calm Mind sweeper
Articuno actually has a pretty nice niche on stall teams in UU and RU as a good Defogger thanks to Pressure letting it stall out Stealth Rock.
uu and ru
Hasn’t cuno fallen off quite a bit in UU since the snow twins (tales & zolt) went to ou and nerfed its blizzard again? Haven’t played RU lately so dont know bout that tier
@@drcreed6320 Its usage in UU was never related to hail. Its niche is on stall teams. It has been a while since I played UU and I've hardly seen this thing so take this description with a grain of salt- The things that it offers over other Defoggers are Pressure (only shared with Moltres), Heal Bell (Lets Chansey use a different move) and massive special bulk.
its also the only bird to get heal bell which is a nice.
I remember Articuno being an stall monster in Gen8 PU.
Fricking Articuno|Quagsire|Eldegoss|Magneton team.
It’s so depressing to compare Regigigas’ stats to Zacian crowned. You gotta wait five turns to get a mon that has lower stats than the latter in every regard except HP, and he doesn’t even have that much more hp
comparing every pokemon to zacian is "depressing" lmao
Zacian itself is depressing
Doesn't "Slow Start" also reset if you switch out? Regigias would actually be quite a bit more viable if that wasn't the case imo.
Yes. Furthermore, this reset also occurs if a Neutralizing Gas Pokémon dies, so there is no way to circumvent how bad Regigigas is: you just pair it with a Weezing on lower tiers and go to town.
I'd honestly rather go Whimsicott with Worry Seed, get rid of Slow Start right off the bat, and be able to switch Whim to a supporter or redirecter (or just have Whimsicott do Whimsicott things, Regigigas appreciates Whimsicott things).
@@DoctorSpacebar Yea, I remember back when Pokemon Battle Revolution was still widely played that there was someone called Gigatitan that used to use Regigigas in a similar way though using Skill swap.
Of course he would
It’d be viable if slow start came with an OP payout
Part of what makes Silvally so bad is that it's the only Pokemon in the game that has to choose between an ability or an item. If you want to use a typed Silvally, you need to use an item for it, and if you want an actual item you effectively have no ability. I've always wondered why GameFreak didn't give the memories a 20-30% damage buff to their respective types of held by Silvally.
Just like Arceus, but that one has the stats to back it up.
@@Dexuz Not even like Arceus. At least with Arceus you also get an actual item with plates/crystals. Only normal Arceus gives up it's ability to have a different item, but considering how e-killer is arguably the strongest Arceus form...
@@anthonyk3952 sivally with extreme speed would be better
As a Silvally fan, I hate that and also wish they didn't give it balanced stats. It should have less defense and more offense considering that it no longer has the mask. The stat difference between Type: Null and Silvally is so negligible that your probably better off using Eviolite Type: Null instead
@@eliyaskiya Maybe in gen 7 but in gen 8 Multi-Attack has 120 BP and Crush Claw only 75. Both forms are awful except maybe ground and steel.
Regigigas is a constant reminder of Game Freak's boundless cruelty; in PLA where Abilities aren't used (though they're coded in), poor Regigigas is STILL shackled down by Slow Start. The poor titan is doomed to be as competitively useful as goddamn Ledian.
I'm pretty sure Slow Start works differently in PLA. Instead, Regigigas attack and speed starts out normal then got boosted after 5 turns then the usual halved for 5 turns. That's what I heard so I could be wrong :/
@@nari610 just looked it up, and Bulbapedia says that it still works the same, but since the attack calculations are different, the halved attack is much less impactful
I mean Regigigas in doubles with a Neutralising Gas weezing is pretty dope.
@@JO11190 That pairing is an awful gimmick simply because the opponent can double down on Weezing and once it's dead Regigigas is a sitting duck.
Not if you play VGC.
I really hope the Slow Start buff from Legends Arceus carries over to the main line, Regigigas having no stat drops and gaining a free Scarf and Band after 5 turns in battle is amazing.
That would be amazing tbh
It doesn't sound broken to me. Just balanced.
5 turns is a LOT.
That's how it works in that game? I just saw the debuff message and lost all hope.
@@pepus777 it's slightly different, in the main series regigas has halved attack and speed for 5 turns, in LoA it gains 50% extra attack and speed after 5 turns, meaning it goes from good to even better rather than from struggling to reliable
_please_
At 8:15 this statement was said "If only Mesprit or Uxie had recover it would be a totally different pokemon"
Hold onto that thought. While compatability with Home is not available yet (It was confirmed to happen though) in Pokemon Legends Arceus, Mesprit DID get recover. As soon as the compatability is made, depending on the limits, Mesprit could see a huge change because of that
Are you sure about that?
so
The fact that Arceus could change its type in Gen 7 with a Z-Crystal and Silvally couldn't do the same is one of the most confusing things about Gen 7 to me. Silvally wouldn't be much better given its stat total but at least it'd have a strong one-time nuke like other Pokemon had.
It's probably because the Memory items didn't give a boost to the moves of the respective type. So there would be zero reason to use them over a Z crystal.
also Sylvally is meant to be an imperfect attempt to replicate Arceus, which is why it has lower stats and (originally) lower BP signature move. Makes sense that even his ability is a slightly worse variant of Arceus' one.
What Silvally really need to be usable is a recovery move. Recover is a big part of Arceus's kit
Wait Arceus can change its type with a z crystal?
@@getthegoons yes it can, though Z-variants of Arceus are primarily physical since they can't make Judgement work (or they're using alternative special STAB like Thunder or Fire Blast)
It’s amazing how Glastrier is considered bad when its stats are just slightly worse than Calyrex-Ice, a Pokemon that has to compete and is threatened by Calyrex-Shadow but still manages to be amazing. Just goes to show how much Physical Lugia bulk, 130 STAB, and better support moves can do.
it's mostly agility that keeps it out of ou
@@pierre1069. why agility
that mon have Trick room so no Need for agility
in AG is These mon so a Dangerous threat because as DMAX IT can only 1 shotted by zacian-c
otherwise its Not nearly killed (sucker Punch yveltal is 25% damage)
and He can in Trick room 1 Shot everything beside Dusk mane and thats 1 Shot after weakness Policy is procc
the Problem at calyrex ice is
you cant kill it easy
7 weakness where Not a Single is x4
but a bulk from
100/150/130
toxapex have
55/152/142
and toxapex is already hard to kill but caly ice is way bulkier and have even an Attack Stat from 165 with a moxie
that mon is way more Stronger as people wanna admit
Why does Regigigas has to deal with the god forbidden slow start and on top being Normal type which has no resistances except for the Ghost immunity. Gamefreak did Regigigas real bad
Easy. Pokémon are not made for competitive but to exist and therefore in that sense overpowered stuff are accidents, and they never consider actual balance so Zacian exists, and so does Regigigas.
Basically, Regigigas has lore about it starting up so it will never not have Slow Start. Furthermore, it is built that it would be far more broken if it did not have Slow Start so they will never remove Slow Start for “balance”. They wouldn’t know balance if it was spelled out for them, then forced to walk a tightrope where the weights on the pole they have are scale weights. And that is also not including the fact that Regigigas has a bad moveset.
Zacian is built to be super strong as a legendary hero but it was given the best typing, an immediate boost to its relevant attacking stat, and a wide movepool. Had Zacian and Zamazenta been properly thought through, they would have been like Xerneas and Yveltal, a pair strong in their own ways. But nope; that one-person theory about the Darkest Day (that one hero defeated Eternatus) in the past is essentially correct given it was most likely Zacian who did the work. And Zamazenta is only viable because Knock Off is useful and Weavile exists and there is no way in hell many Zacian form will be in Ubers.
@@iantaakalla8180 I dunno if is an "accident". Ever since Gen 6 they made cover legendaries SUPER BROKEN, even for the VGC format. Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre are obscene! Mega Rayquaza is broken! Necrosma DM is also somehow broken.
I don't think they making Zacian busted was an accident. I think they knew what they're were doing.
Ngl, Silvally is the kind of mon that is so close to being great it’s sad. Some new moves, like hazards, eq, e speed, knock off and recover would help massively, and another idea would be to make the memories also give a boost to the specific type, similar to the plates they emulate. Best case scenario, a 50% boost to make offensive variants a menace.
Imo they should just make the ability work with Plates. Would help solve the problem going forward with "too many legendary specific items".
Lore wise Silvally was supposed to “counter” Ultra Beasts but in game, Ultra Beasts are way better. It’s sad to see
I had a ton of fun in Gen 8 VGC playing Galar-Weezing with Neutralizing Gas to help out Regigigas and make it somewhat viable. So good
I once met a person using that and he d maxed right away, activated a weakness policy from a different mon (on the enemy side) and almost swept my team
@@bananabroshsid8234 yea Regi usually has weakness policy and is the one that dmaxes, that's how I played it
@@QyTheQTpi Life orb is better, and Weezing is more viable than it’s Galarian form.
The long video style is better to me and showing less sommon and well known things is also great
really dig the longer form content here, but that said, everything you put out is engaging and well made. i love lower tiers, you give them a lot of attention and time and i love that.
I love this. I’d love to see something similar with fully evolved Pokémon that are outshined by the NFE forms, or NFEs that look like they should/could be better than their fully evolved form but aren’t for whatever reason (I think scyther is a great example of this category given it has identical stats to it’s evolved form).
Really liked how detailed you're explanations are :) Would love a series for this for the rest of the tiers!
A video idea: as good as unused Pokémon move sets which are actually very strong. For example, a rock polish-iron defense-body press Registeel. Almost everybody that fights a Registeel expects it to setup with stealth rock, but with speed EV investment to 198 and maximum defense + boosting nature makes it incredibly hard hitting against any non-ghost type. Yes there may be 4x resist like Togekiss and Gardevoir, and Ghost types are a thing, but for the last slot there’s still shadow claw or iron head. It works really well in UU and at times even sweeps in OU, if there are no ghosts present. Another one which doesn’t work as good is belly drum Charizard. Setup screens then lunar dance with cresselia or healing wish with another screen setup and swap into Charizard if favorable matchup. The opponent almost always swaps, which is a free turn for belly drum + sitrus berry, and it can hit basically anything with Earthquake, Rock Slide and Flare Blitz.
Articuno does have one thing going for it, it’s an excellent user of Sheer Cold. If you were Battle Stadium Singles, the cartridge game’s official ladder, Articuno has a legitimately good niche as a Sheer Cold fisher than can easily set up Substitute and fish for Sheer Colds against Chansey, Mega Sableye, Cresselia, Suicune, and Porygon 2. The reason you won’t see such set in Smogon and VGC is because the former band OHKO moves and the latter makes OHKO fishing not a viable strategy due to Doubles. And if you are wondering about Stealth Rock, you don’t have to worry as much, Stealth Rock ( and the other hazards ) isn’t nearly as common in 3v3 due to the reduced switching compared to 6v6. One team I used in SM was Articuno and Gliscor on a stall team with Mega Sableye as a way to deny hazards. Articuno and Gliscor served as a terrifying OHKO duo to improve stall mirrors, with Articuno handling Special Attackers, and Gliscor handling physical attackers. If you run Stealth Rock, it’s solely to break Focus Sashes. Here’s an article on Smogon for how Articuno works in XY: www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/articuno/battle-spot-singles/
That's an interesting read. thanks for sharing.
Articuno can also use Mind Reader to ensure that Sheer Cold hits. It may not be the most viable strategy since the effects of Mind Reader go away if its target switches out, but I still think it's kind of interesting that Articuno can do this. I'm pretty sure that no other Pokémon can learn both an OHKO move and an accuracy bypassing move... well, aside from Smeargle, of course.
Mesprit got Recover in Pokémon Legends Arceus! Hopefully that becomes available through HOME soon.
I love this kind of content, YT recommended me one of your videos a feew weeks ago, and I love to watch them now. I love to have them on the background and listen to them, they're super interesting, with a lot of nice information.
The longer content is enjoyable, hope you make more.
I love how your uploads are slowly improving and have become higher quality than they used to be. I love how your uploads (at least these kinda of uploads and not the ladder climbing ones) are separated in bite sized chunks and made easy to understand for both new and intermediate players alike compared to other showdown pktubers who are also roughly at your skill level as a player whether it be at competitive battling or vgc or nuzlockes or whatever gamemode they specialise in who very often tend to overwhelm their viewers with topics and uploads lasting as long as 40 minutes or even an hour which isn't inherently bad in itself. Personally I like listening to that kind of thing in the background as a kind of podcast while I do other things and the quality of their uploads usually don't really suffer from that kind of upload style. I just think you're filling a niche in the showdown community that's very beginner friendly, helping players by breaking down more complex metal into smaller pieces, resulting in them being easier to internalise and understand. I've been watching your content for a long time and I really enjoy what you put out. Sorry this is so long winded but I just wanted to say I'm going to continue to support your channel and I love the kind of content you produce.
I feel regigigas would be much more usable if slow start didn’t reset on switch
It would certainly help it out significantly, but there's still the issue of having to wait for 5 whole turns before the ability stops hindering it, which has always been the biggest thing holding Regigigas back from being even halfway decent at best. Because of this, I'm not sure how much this change would really help it out; just to be clear, I'm not denying that it would be an improvement, I'm just not sure if it's a big enough one to let it break out of it's current placement of being probably the worst legendary Pokemon of all time
@@matthewkuscienko4616 Okay, so making Slow Start not reset on switch wouldn't be enough to make Regigigas any good because 5 turns is still quite a long time. But what if they also reduced Slow Start's duration to 3 turns? How do you think Regigigas would fare then?
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 still bad
@@matthewkuscienko4616 oh yeah definitely, that’s why I chose the word “useable” over “viable” since you’ll basically have a Pokémon that starts the battle asleep and you’d have to burn slow start like it is sleep turns before it can actually do anything. Definitely not good but at least it you can use it
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 I still think they should a huge power-like buff to slow start. If you manage to keep Regigigas alive for the 5 turns without switching, his attack and speed double. Tbh this probably would be a tad unbalanced, but Im sure it can be tweaked. Maybe 1.5x attack, but reducing the ammount of slow start turns to 3, idk
Tbh Uxie is pretty nice to set up a sweep in AG. Also I learned a few months ago that it's faster than Mesprit but I still don't understand why. Also Freezai uhh, if there would be 2 new Regis with 200 atk and 200 spatk, what do you think would be a cool typing for them? Imo 200 atk Fighting and 200 spatk Bug would be nice, since they both resist each other.
Tbh if Silvally just got a better movepool and Recover (since it's based on Arceus), it might be used more since Multi-Attack is pretty much a Physical Judgment. Its stats are dumb for a FE Legendary, it essentially cant hold any items, its ability is cheap Multitype (you can't use Z-Crystals), and barely any coverage
Oh and if Garticuno's Freezing Glare had like 20 percent Freeze and had some good coverage for Dark and Steel types, it might also be as good as its Galarian birb friemds
Anything that has move with 20 precent freeze change is good
fighting and to a lesser extent bug type regi's wouldn't fit honestly
they're supposed to be made put of basic disposable material (the only one that isn't is regidrago and it's one of my least favorite mons partially for that very reason)
they should just stop making new regis and instead focus on making the ones we have actually worth using
@@fortnitesexman I believe the core design philospy behind the regi's is they reprsent ages, ice, stone, iron, medieval and modern age. Guess you could have dark for dark age, or poison for industrial age.
@@XenithShadow 200 base atk regi-dark would be insane lolll that’s a destructive ass knock off
@@XenithShadow fair
Mesprit learns recover in Arceus, and it was datamined that you can use PLA Pokémon in BDSP.
Give the three original Regis signature moves.
Alright, got that? Good. Now give Regigigas all of them.
Nah. Make regirock and regice weather setters as a counterpoint to groudon and kyogre in their debut generation.
*sad registeel noises*
@@nobodyspecial2053 My idea for a Regice signature move is a Special Ice-type Earthquake that is guaranteed to Freeze.
I mean, using Scald ends Freeze and pretty much every Water-type that can run Scald does, so...
Regirock would get a Recover that heals more in Sandstorm.
Registeel would get a Cosmic Power that also buffs Speed.
Giving those to Regigigas on top of Thunder Cage and Dragon Energy would probably be enough to offset Slow Start in terms of viability.
Plus it'd make the Regis themselves more viable.
Then Regice would be banned from even Ubers and still be useless because its best move would be linked to a horrible Freeze effect that would skyrocket its placing to AG where it would still most likely suck because it has only that.
I'd give regice recover + snow warning, regirock shore up + sand stream, registeel filter and Regigigas sheer force.
This format of breaking down each mon is really interesting, making another video for RU legends would be great
Regigigas: is well known for being competitively bad
Me, who likes funny meme sets: *This is a great opportunity for slaughter*
“It tries to be a tank, but it’s an ice type, so it has a really bad defensive type”
ok cool so it’s an average ice type
Really love the slightly longer video that covers a broader topic. Keep up the great work!
I do really like this kind of content, not only for legendaries, but also for common pokemon too. It's very interesting how those pokemon ended up in the lowest tiers, and even some of them having interesting niches in the higher tiers, like Cresselia or Uxie, or even Machamp in BDSP OU. I totally support this idea 👌🏼👌🏼
The longer videos are great. Looking forward to more of then.
I wouldn't generalize Reliable recovery every direct healing move besides Rest since technically Life Dew applies to that desceiption as well and is not a reliable recovery (unless you play doubles).
Still, really good video :]
Life Dew should've heal at least 33% if not 50%, instead of always 25%
@@goGothitaLOL yeah how tf is life dew weaker than regenerator 🤔 i def think they should swap percentages
@@J242D they dont need to swap. Life dew should just work as it is in doubles and in singles heal 50%, Same total healing, just on 1mon instead of 2 as is only 1 aviable.
@@zyella277 i think they should cause regenerator is really broken lol, I’m down for your idea too tho but i think regen is a bit much as it is and life dew is a bit weak
Love getting more long format Freezai content
Choice specs Regigigas is pretty funny, especially since most everyone has the preconceived thought of it being a stall mon only, it can absolutely get kills though
in bdsp, it lost pretty much all it's special movepool anyway... and most coverage moves it had access to...
It's crazy how Moltres is UU for 3 gens despite having a fire/flying typing and only recently got heavy duty boots. Like what is Moltres doing in UU in gen 6, typing seems so killer for it to do much before the timbs
Moltres is the definition of a one trick pony. It has thermonuclear damage output, and pebbles aside, is tough enough to handle being outsped once or twice.
Moltres has a lot in common with Volcarona, actually.
I don't play competitive at all but seeing what stealth rock does to a bunch of types is kinda sad. I feel like they need to nerf it so more things become viable without having to throw boots on them.
Yeah. I've heard of halving its base damage, so it deals 6ish% by default, 12% to SE, and 25% to 4x.
I don't actually think that helps some of these guys, Regice has much bigger problems than losing 25% to pebbles, but, I feel like it's a healthier game.
Not like that matters. This game's been pretty sick for a while.
Since I didn't see anyone mention this in the comments, I'm going to.
Mesprit, once home hits for PLA, will LIKELY be in better standings than it is now. Getting Recover, as well as Mystical Power, are both going to be big boons to it in the competitive scene. However, this still doesn't mean Mesprit is going to be seeing OU any time soon, as Psychic still is a meh defensive typing and it still has steep competition in Cresselia, but at the very least, it won't be a sitting duck like Uxie is currently without any sort of reliable recovery. Could definitely see it move up a tier or two because of the PLA additions it received.
Just realised jellicent fell to PU. Remembered it was OU back in gen 5
it fail off ever since weather was nerfed
It fell off + Skill Link
Regice is bad in competitive Pokemon but in random battles it is surprisingly difficult to break through if you don't have enough coverage. I never lost a randbats when I have a regice, and it is so remarkable that I do remember that fact. For context I'm not a great player, I hover around 1500-1600.
2:33 Gets a spdef drop using focus miss
Me: Impossible
Definitely enjoy the longer video from you!!
The only way to make regigigas viable without completely changing its thematic would be to make Slow Start allow regigigas be able to "get going" more gradually. Instead of being 0.5 atk and speed and after 5 turns get its normal stats back, I would make regigigas start at -3 atk and speed and get a free dragon dance at the end of the turn. You still need to keep regigigas on the field for several turns to make it work, but once he gets going he just keeps getting going and becomes unstoppable. Thus the reward is actually worth trying.
slow start would still be thematic if it only cut speed, and having the full attack would instantly be a huge improvement
Heck, they made Zacian and Mega Rayquaza, two pokemon with even HIGHER stats and an ability that actually helps them, so why don't we give Regigigas an ability that can have a net benefit in the long run? Make it start with a speed debuff and no attack debuff, but also let it get a speed increase each turn like Speed Boost.
@@Tsunderebolt At that point you might as well give Regigigas the ability Stall.
@@segafreak2000 that suits more for a slaking HA imo
i legitimately enjoy watching your here's why videos. they're short, informative, and keep my ADD brain entertained. keep it up please
I think these longer videos work well in terms of having content on a particular topic all in one place. It makes it easier to find the content you're looking for, reduces bloat, and isn't excessively long in the first place. 10 to 15 minutes is quite manageable for tackling a single topic fulsomely.
I was running Sylvally Ground in Gen 8 OU with max SpAtk investment, Ice Beam Flamethrower then typically U-Turn and Multi Attack. It was good to catch Landorus, Garchomp, Heatran, Ferrothorn, Kartana, etc. If Landorus wasn't specially defensive, you would just OHKO. Definitely very hard to play because it's damage is pitiful other than 4x but it has great coverage and surprise factor; they always expect you to be strictly physical. I got between 1600 and 1700 with the team twice
Still pissed that Regigigas didn't get something in BDSP or Legends: Arceus AND IS THE ONLY POKEMON TO STILL HAVE AN ABILITY
I love this longer type of video. Especially as it covered multiple things. I love watching your content
I do like this style of longer content :) I have a buddy who used to play a shit ton of Gen 5 NU and he got me into showdown, so learning all the stuff abt the lower tiers is always gonna be cool to me
I honestly really love bringing Glastrier into Ubers matches lmao. I know the pitiful speed and mono-Ice typing look awful, and it's true that it's not great to deal with, but the dude is surprisingly chonky even without reliable recovery. He can generally hang around long enough to deal out some decent damage; even if he doesnt get any KOs, he can screw up your opponent's strategy and get you in a good position to set up a win. Folks underestimate him so he makes for a surprisingly effective early-game cleaner
I love seeing long-form content. Keep it up, you're engaging enough to make this work on top of your shorter videos
Crazy grind on these videos
So many recently
man you must be working 24/7. these videos are so high effort! we notice and we appreciate it. Keep up all the choice uploads, but make sure you take care of yourself and dont get overworked!
Good news everybody, Mesprit gets recover in PLA!
A couple things I'll say about regigigas are: Moxie/Beast Boost and Shield Dust. It's possible to use skill swap in doubles to give regigigas these abilities which turn it from a big threat to an immediately serious threat. Pairing it with Rhibombee and giving it shield dust makes moves like scald and fake out useless, and I can force a switch and/or cripple an opponent's physical attacker which I can then follow up on with support moves in after you (I think, might have been me first) and helping hand for an additional power boost and pollen puff for healing/damage where needed.
This was a nice form of content, maybe we could get a follow up video on how we could improve these legendary Pokémon. PLEASE GAMEFREAK, BUFF ENTEI, ENTEI DESERVES MORE LOVE!
If Slow Start kept track of turns in play even if switched out, would it make Regigigas viable?
It probably would but not by a lot
If you think about it, that’s pretty much starting with a mom inflicted with a full 3 turns of sleep, which is a death sentence for most mons.
Honestly, I would still find it hard to say if in UU currently without an ability. Normal type is honestly such a mediocre typing and normal type offensively is easily walled by a lot of physical walls and ghost types. I am almost tempted to say it’s more held by by its typing than Slow Start nowadays.
It would but in the same way Rampardos is viable.
I'mma be honest.
I'm not sure Stench Regigigas would make it to Ubers. I think the sheer walbreaking power it has would put it in OU, since it could muscle through some hardcore stuff, but as a niche pick, not as a primary threat.
Stench Slaking is another issue entirely. It has reliable recovery and setup that would allow it to just sweep teams. Regigigas does not have this. It's a high skill wallbreaker, that if it messes up, you probably don't get a second chance.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 stench isn't even the best example of a "useless" ability since it grants a 10% flinch chance to your non-flinching moves, so perhaps a better example would be...Run Away?
i'd love to see more of these longer videos. your vids are amazing and i was super excited to see this one was 10 min long
Just wanna say I really do enjoy slightly longer videos than your normal 2-3 minute ones, keep it up
Ice is one of my favorite types, so it sucks to see how bad it is competitively, and how for most cases it’s just an outright negative if a Pokémon is ice type
Definitely the longer content is better! I love your knowledge on competitive Pokemon!
Love love love the longer video style please make more super entertaining and great voice relaxing asf such a vibe
I think it would be cool to hear about the history of Barraskewda in gen 8 competitive. It started OU, dropped to RU, and has risen back to OU, despite some of the threats that knocked it down to RU still being in OU
as a chad singles trick room user i can assure you uxie is the greatest trick room lead because of its bulk, funny rocks and memento to get a mon in for free
it’s very niche but it fills its niche well i’d say
8:09 oh, yeah, i took your opinion, wolf's videos and saw a little of competitive pokemon in any league, and i chose the perfect sets for my fan pokemon, basically it is in the trio starter, and it should be a fairly fast pokemon, bulky and with moves such as: Protect, Substitute, Hazy day (a fan move that put +1 to Def, Sp.Def and -1 to Speed while also giving 1/16 of health for 4 turns), Slack off and others.
also i made it a Ground/Steel with an ability that makes it resistant to Ice moves while also giving it a high chance to get burn while using a physical move (1/8 chance).
also this is his base stats (WIP):
HP: 100
ATK: 92
DEF: 115
SPE: 78
Sp.A: 50
Sp.D: 80
Also, i still haven't made the true and final version, so for now it have basically the moveset of ferrothorn and a little of Torterra (yeah, his typing comes from the person who is based on, who loves Ferrothorn and also love his favorite starter, Torterra)
I don't keep up with VGC so I'd love to hear why Glastrier is incredibly meta in that format!
Unrelated but I also wanted to say that it's always felt weird to me that Rock is a worse defensive type than Ground. I just attribute the concept of strength more to rocks than I to do the ground. And I guess since so many Pokemon are Rock/Ground type, Ground type has always felt secondary to me, kind like "Rock type the 2nd" or "Rock type part 2."
Speed control moves like Trick Room and Tailwind are far more viable in doubles. In singles, after using Trick Room you only get 4 moves over 4 turns, one of which might be switching out the Trick Room setter for a sweeper. In doubles, you get 8 moves over 4 turns, and it's possible to lead your setter and sweeper, or to lead something like Incineroar and Dusclops, and the Incineroar uses Parting Shot to switch in the sweeper while Dusclops sets up Trick Room.
If Regigigas had a truly absurd stat line like Zacian Crowned, it might have seen some use. I'm talking
110/200/125/50/125/60 (same base stat total, but massive attack and noticeably tanky). Maybe even a higher base stat total.
Another reason Sylvally can be useless is competition for team slot from other Silvally form. You would never use Electric and grass type version in NU when Ground is the best setup sweeper/wallbreaker of NU and Steel is a solid pivot. Same with Fairy and Ghost in PU over every other form. Home PU banned like 10 banning Silvally forms, one or two at the time because people were just abusing the most reliable form.
Same thing hit Arceus.
Normal, Ghost, and Steel made up the majority of all Arceus sets, with niche use of Rock, Ground, and Water. Arceus Bug, Poison, or Fighting are certainly Ubers pokemon that even have unique uses, you're just almost never going to use them over the good forms.
Great analysis video! Love this thoroughness & long video! Thanks for uploading!
I would love to see the explanation of legendaries in each tier
8:16 funnily enough, Mesprit got Recover in Legends Arceus...
Glastrier was never made for singles
It was made for doubles where Trick Room is much more prevalent, not to mention Dynamax Glastrier
Regigagas doesn't just suck in competitive, it sucks, Slow Start is the worst thing to ever be attached to a Pokemon
3:33 What was that for a split second 😂
Exodia jumpscare
One Question: If the Regis got Recovery Moves, would they be better or just stay almost the same?
Regice would pretty much stay the same. Better, of course, it now gets to actually compete, and probably be better than Avalugg, but slow, defensive Ice type is a curse that needs more than Recover to fix.
Regirock... might not even notice. Regirock needs it the least, it HAS Drain Punch, and usually ends up running things like AV, Weakness Policy, ect.
Registeel is the real winner, it no longer needs to run Rest Talk or Chesto Resto. Registeel suffers pretty badly from 4MSS, and doesn't need the status immunity very badly. Recover would help.
It's funny because I was able to use Silvally-Dragon to great success on occasion with the team I set up with it. That moveset it was given is pretty strong if you know how to take advantage of it.
Found your channel recently. I really like your content and I would appreciate longer videos
Gonna send this to all those uneducated people still running around with the mindset of "ugh you're cheating by using legendaries all legendaries should be banned from competitive"
I know not all legendaries are born great, but I honestly still can't get rid of that irky feeling whenever I use a legendary in an OU team.
Except for Tornadus-Therian because I got Anniversary Skyla in Pokemon Masters.
It is not exactly that. My problem is that using legendaries to me break the immersion. If pokemon were real there would be only 1 regigigas and it would either be illegal to disturb it would be in possession of some mega rich plutocrat. Surely won't be used by me or you and a regigigas mirror match would nevsr happen because 2 don't exist. The same goes for any legendary.
The tier that i'd like to play is basically AG whitout legendaries, because that feel like the most "authentic" to what pokenon battling would bs irl. I know that cinderace is 100 time better than articubo, but if both would be real i could potentially catch a cinderace, but not an articuno.
You're really good at explaining competitive merits, I would love if you tackled bigger topics like Baton Pass in Gen 5 or why Curse sets are so good in Gen 2, for longer videos
Curse is good in gen 2 because it's the only real widespread boosting move
and snorlax too
I feel like a lot of the old ones were just designed for fun in the days before competitive pokemon... and there's always going to be a few of the lesser legends that don't measure up to their "Siblings"
The Tapus prove that Gamefreak can make good ones out of the entire group, but the Galar Birds seem to show a lack of thought... or intentionally nerfing them so hard that they can't be as good
And naturally, the Articuno of that group is still the worst, the Zapdos is best and the Moltres is not far behind. They captured the competitive relationship between the Kantonian birds quite well with the Galarian birds.
@@iantaakalla8180 I really think they all suffer from massive movepool limitations right now
Granting them all Roost and Heat Wave (like every other bird pokemon) would solve a lot of issues there just with recovery and coverage
I honestly believe all 6 of the birds need a stat rework to even out their viability
That unfortunately is also part of their design.
As the birds seems to be elemental birds they seem like they only embody their element therefore their bad coverage. And Ice/Flying and Psychic/Flying suck.
Yes, Fire/Flying sucks but at least Moltres is actually good defensively and has power otherwise.
The other three typings are actually good.
Furthermore, as GameFreak is loathe to significantly change a Pokémon, especially their stats, (though coverage moves may happen they are unlikely to happen when they are useful) any Articuno will suck and the birds will remain coverageless.
And the one they put the most work into, Masquerain, is so bad that it was effectively wasted and exists to be a bad counterpart to Dewpider.
@@iantaakalla8180 Stuff like Masquerain still have the chance for an evolution down the road, Legendaries don't
And I'm not asking too much for Articuno tbh
Ice type needs a rework and that could save Articuno-K, Articuno-G is actually pretty solid tbh access to more coverage is going to eventually happen over time
Ghost/Psychic/Flying coverage isn't bad at all... I think one of it's main issues is how one dimensional it is right now... it always has those moves and the Competitive ability
Part of it is just the stat philosophy shift that started in gen 5. Gen 4 and earlier pokemon tend to be much more evenly distributed in their stats, and the legendaries are not only no exception, but are sometimes the worst offenders. Look at Entei, compared to something like Tapu Bulu. Entei is spread so thin that it manages to mostly fall short in everything, while Tapu Bulu is pretty harshly minmaxed. Or, look at Palkia and Dialga versus Solgaleo and Lunaala, or the sword dog of balanced and healthy meta. Palkia and Dialga are sporting something like 120 base Attack. Historically, Palkia actually did use that attack to punch Blissey in the schnoz, but an off-attacking stat like that is unthinkable now.
The clearest example isn't a legendary, but Conkeldur versus Machamp. Conkeldur embraces the idea that any speed below about 55 is wasted, and special attack won't be used anyways, to trim down and specialize what is otherwise pretty much identical stats. The result is just Better Machamp.
Articuno-G is very VERY niche, but it works as a setup sweeper in OU and UU against intimidate users at the cost of not being able to pull off recovers as often. With CM/Psychic move/flying move/recover or coverage + adrenaline Orb it does well against lead Lando very well, the issue is its INSANELY hard to pull off, and Bisharp does really well against it. In lower tiers it's good at playing Bisharps old role of taking advantage of defog users, albeit steels and darks not week to flying can do well defensively, and even if you run the adrenaline Orb set scarfers can revenge kill. Hard to pull off, but if it sets up it can be really hard to stop if don't figure out its last move
Someone at GF hates Regigigas guts
No cabe duda incluso sus hijos.
Aunque Regieleki fue un accidente por ser extrañamente bueno en el competitivo y tener la suerte de haber recibido 200 de velocidad base
Basically, they assumed it would be crippled by Ground types.
Its funny because Regigigas has a niche in VGC/Doubles with neutralising gas or an entrainment pokemon. Its stats are pretty damn good and its coverage is insane. It has high horsepower, all the elemental punches, knock off, etc and so can be a really scary pokemon, especially in a dynamax setting.
That's not really a niche, that's more of a gimmick.
i miss how good lugia was before gen 6
And the worse part is the one that outclassed it is its counterpart Ho-oh. Ho-oh getting regenerator, burn chance in sacred fire, better defensive typing, and defog/heavy duty boots nullifying sneaky pebbles made it a better tank in later gen ubers.
How game freak treats the ice type hurts me inside.
What I gathered from this video: Steel is basically a PAIN for everything.
We need an awakened regigigas form
This video was amazing.
Btw what about a video that is opposite to this one?
What would change if Regigigas got a hidden ability. I'm thinking either Pressure, Clear Body, or Mold Breaker, or maybe Stalwart if you want an ability that does nothing. Where d'you think it would end up?
Slow Start is the Biggest FU to any Pokemon. They atleast could've given it Skill Swap or a Reliable Recovery move.
Does anyone know what the acronym "PU" stands for? The other ones make sense to me, but that one I really can't figure out lol
Great video as always Freezai! I love these kinds of "Here's why" videos, they're very informative and easy to watch!
It means “shit”
It means PU, as in the pe-ew noise you make when you smell something shitty
It literally doesn't mean anything
I am just confused why the lake guardians don't have recover. Like I figured it be a perfect move for and be on almost every psychic Pokemon in general
Your vids got me back into Showdown. Thank you for sharing all the great information and offering insight as to why the meta is what it is. Sub well earned
Fun fact, Regigigas is solid in doubles Gen 8 solely because Galar Weezing exists lol
I forgot about that thing 😂
I do love this content because it's your short content in a longer video