Valorant Fixed Everything Wrong with Counter-Strike
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- CS:GO has flaws, poor server quality in Matchmaking, cheaters, and some random elements that hurt gameplay. To compete with Counter-Strike, Valorant fixed a lot of the problems by innovating the genre, which is ONLY GOOD for people who like tactical shooters, even if you prefer CS:GO or Rainbow Six: Siege.
valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike chad with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
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The best part about Valorant is that even though you get people who don't communicate a single word or ping, their agent will call automatically if they see enemies.
A truly underrated feature
ENEMY SPOTTED MID
@@jacknephew1849 this feature actually disencourages players to communicate. You get silent players BACUSE of this feature. It doesnt "solve" the problem it creates one.
Valorant is marketing designed game. Riot makes things the way the playerbase think they should be, not how they actually should be. Thats how they ended the golden age of lol by introducing rolequeue
SPIKE DROPPED MID
is the best callout in the world
@@Techtronos
Nah, no mic people always exist. There's probably a higher occurrence of it because there are more new to fps players coming to valorant. Either that or they are females and don't want to speak for obvious reasons, also yeah more female players in valorant.
The main problem with CSGO is Valve not caring enough. There’s so many small annoyances and issues that have been there for years and have never been fixed.
And there is also a really nice community giving feedback saying what they want to have/change. Also coming up with designs and maps and and and... But Valve just doesn't care
zool
I agree and yet a new skin and case is regularly added.
take a look at tf2. that game hasn't gotten an update for 1400+ days. valve is just terrible at maintaining.
Yep, totally agree, cheating is a problem within every game but what really matters is how the company behind that game works/acts when they encounter a problem.
"valorant removed the incentive to wallhack by making it a feature" im dead
edit: 5:06
And worst thing is some cheaters just use Sova to make them look less suspicious because they always throw utility where they know people are at.
It needs a system update it really feels like the game is made in 2013
@@henryhooker1579 And that is bad how?
@@birddaddydetta because it’s so outdated compared to other games and feels janky ash
@@henryhooker1579 really? Valorant is a counterstrike-type arena shooter, they all feel janky and jagged because that's the nature of your movement. Not really comparable to other types of shooters
My main issue with valorant is the MASSIVE foot step radius to be honest, my fun in CS comes from getting somewhere unexpected quickly, but in valorant you have to walk or you get heard from half way across the map
When I played Valorant all I would do is listen to footstep and that carried me well into Platty
you can still flank pretty fast especially if you walk with knife out.
I was a Crossfire player and yeah, massive footstep radius kills the hide-and-seek tension of the game's fun
@@Sage_Lucas that sucks
server desync worst thing about valorant
Warowl: Whats Csgos biggest problem
Me: Jumps scouting isnt fun anymore
Warowl: Cheating
Me: Totally
I actually said cheating
me : unfair MM
bro my first thought was
(in a russian accent)
"is shit game"
@@brah8626 cheating in mm is a plague
Sniping in general isn't much fun in CS. I know they needed to balance things, but I miss the pre-nerf days of the AWP.
im liking the unique ways mr warowl here changes the intro logo thing
@just do it I don't gonna do it
@@edwardcardozo8325 report it for spam
Yes sir
So far the best one was the one where he just eats it
Too bad he has no closer
I feel Valorant is all of the refinements and technical necessities a competitive shooter needs. CSGO, however, is all the heart and love a competitive shooter needs. As they both get older, they both lack what the other has more and more.
nostalgia isnt a feature its a cognitive bias lmao
@@cameronlamb1869 what
Heart and love? Dude Riot is constantly updating the game and fixing stuff they broke. Csgo gets no love from valve.
@@pranaviyer8178 So you agree with me? Riot updating the game shows why Valorant is as refined and technically proficient. The love that's in CSGO is from its foundations and from its userbase. Valve should be fired into the Sun for all the money they sit on, that has absolutely zero bearing on their creations and the reception they receive. You can't develop love. That's why Valorant is where it is. It has to happen naturally.
@@RyanKaufman ah that's what you meant.....yeah i stopped playing csgo after the smurfing and hacker issues started blowing up, and then found valorant and I've been having an absolute blast. Feel kinda sad csgo (and tf2) aren't getting the treatment and love they so desperately need right about now.
"Randomness is a really annoying addition to a skill based shooter"
Literally spray in Valorant is random after 8 bullets kekw
In my opinion it's good thing, it puts emphasis on tapping instead of spraying so players who tap will more likely win
I have to burst or tap fire all the time because of this random spray pattern. Lol
@@Cblla Fuck hours and hours of mastering spray transfer mechanics.
@@Umagum4 That game is different from CSGO. Agent speed is a lot slower, you can ADS with all rifles. If you could reliably control every single bullet of your spray in Valorant then there wouldn`t be any reasons left to tap or burst. Everyone would just insta-spray every enemy they see on screen
@@Umagum4 you realize cs1.6 is the same
Damn, he really just survived the intro
new valorant agent steals your crosshair
@@h2o848 This agent is badass
@@h2o848 new agent checks your webcam and microphone
@@zrATT_ that sounds like riot games with extra steps
@@zrATT_ cypher
I like this. It's true Valve is stuck on CSGO. They need to look at Valorant and Counter-Strike throughout it's history. Then take and refine the features. Make a new version of CS to progress the game before Valorant will take over.
if the devs really cared about csgo as a game, then the game wouldnt be so unplayable
Your channel is dying do smth
To beat Valorant, we don't need CS:Source 2.
We need TF3.
The problem is the money around the weapon skins in CS:GO, they can't just go and make a new game... they'll ruin the economy this way.
Looll u think it’s stuck on csgo? Valve doesn’t give any shits about csgo. Can u call it stuck on it??
i finally gave Valorant a shot after a whole entire year of its release, I too can tell where its charm lies. Its also alot less stressful. Can tell it would be a lot less intimidating for the newer players or general players who are not hardcore FPS players etc. CSGO is steep man. On valorant the powers and abilities, if you have a decent idea how to use them, you don't need to have the best aim, Strat can be interesting too. Team play, still win matches. Can see the charm.. can see the charm.. I think I will split my time between the two more now.. hah.. who would have thought.
OH, but I really hate the jump shot accuracy on Valorant, just.. how.. I am not used to this. its like Scout amp to level 300%. F. most silly deaths by some mid-air OP user.
Yay said this CSGO is about perfection. Valorant is about creativity.
Thats exactly why i found valorant easy. Big head hitboxes made one tapping easier (tho spraying was shit) and since i've played both fps games and mobas for years on end i got a pretty good understanding of those aspects that come with both genres. Positioning crosshair placement and with that ability placement utility usage and all that other jazz that one could lack if he hasnt played one of the 2 genre. But once you stop it aint easy to get back into just like a moba they release new champions with new abilities and not knowing them is an instant disadvantage
I have experience with moba games and I usually play support class so playing with your team and using abilities for your team is very satisfying.
your a silver in csgo and iron in valo if you think like that
Counter strike is a great game, it is amazing, its simple and classic but it is owned by the wrong hands, in this case Valve. I dont like how valve only started releasing "good" updates when a competitor was released in the first person shooting scene.
Well money talks and we open cases left and right so thats why we got bad updates for years.
well theres tons of people in COPIUM saying game its the best etc so ofc why would they change it if thats what people like, anyway CSGO get so less new players, i think its gonna slowly die untill people stuck with CSGO get a family/stop playing games etc, i can see long term CSGO will be like CS 1.6
this is why valve is a shitty company.
"competitor"? basically the woke people stole CS to make it lame. I got early beta key of Valorant and the only thing good with the game is the graphics, the gameplay and community is shit. CS has cheaters and 12 yo's screaming the N-word, and that's what i like about it. It's fun and never repetitive. Valorant is like hippies throwing flowers at you with a built in aimbot so that "no one is better than anyone else, we are a team, lets go girls! flower power!" lmao. Im not hating on Valorant, liked it until i read these aweful comments. You flower power people literally stole another game and put flowers, wh and aimbot in it. As I said, rather have cheaters VISIBLe and not built in in the game as a "feauture" lmao.
@@foopadr9076 I don't understand what's wrong with those "flowers" you pointed out, I'm happy that you enjoy the toxicity more (genuinely), but don't pass that hate somewhere else
pinging in csgo is used a lot on silver/GN especially on new maps cause you don't know the callouts
Also just calling specific locations not just "CT" we actually use it a lot mostly on maps we don't play often
or if you're in Asian servers and your teammates doesn't understand one word of english
Who tf doesnt know callouts in GN?
Im silver 2 and literally everyone knows the callouts
@@rosaparks6479 ranks don't say anything... you can be mg without real cs experience and just fps experience in general. It's about the hours you spent in csgo and watching csgo.
pros also use it. I have ssen it more in fpl than in my mm games
Can't believe TheWarOwl finally abandoned CSGO for Valorant. Literally crying right now. My WarOwl body pillow no longer serves a purpose. I will now spend the rest of my life on strafe jump servers attempting to reach 500.
life well spent
The other day I played some CS and was genuinely fuming after 5 shit matches. One had hackers, the other had plenty of toxic morons. I think I am done playing the game, but I still enjoy watching it. Then I realised most youtubers I watched play are leaving this game. What a shame
is this /s ?
@@mateoybizcochitos can you just say sarcasm like a normal person
i feel u brother :(
Actually had to laugh out loud re-watching WarOwl swat the intro out. It’s the little things like that which show next level passion and love in a channel that’s been around for a while.
The best part about Valorant is that it’s easy for people to get into. The CS community made the game way too complex for newcomers to the point where we hardly get any new players anymore. Valorant’s mechanics are much simpler making it more "noob friendly".
Its crazy for a new guy how good people are even in silver
Cs is not complex, people playing it are just too good for new comers since theyve been playing for a long time already.
How is valorant noob friendly when you have character skills to take into account. They merged moba and fps.
In csgo its just straight out shooting.
@@wowmawc Because most of Valorant's abilities are just variations of flashes, smokes, and stuns, with most of them just involve pressing a button and guiding it where to go. And you basically proved my point. CS isn't hard to understand, but the community made it a difficult game to get into due to the creative ways people figured out how to play the game with the 10 years they've been given. It's extremely difficult for a new player these days to catch up.
@@wowmawc No smoke lineup having, util ignoring, B rushing, short awper
Valorant is the best damn thing to happen to CS GO.
2 Operations in the span of what, 8 months?
Ping system, actual map updates (looking at you, Dust 2), short matches?
Valorant actually gave Valve the need to improve their game, lest they lose the $$$.
edit: Just give me an actual fuckin anticheat and I'll pay you money again Valve.
I'll help gofund the freaking anticheat, come on valve, GO GO GO
Yeah , beside all good stuff they give us . Only Good Anti-Cheat will really made the community goes nut than ever
"Operations" you mean battlepasses with absolutely zero self-made content?
@@user-bq9jm9oc2s you can resell the case for profit you know...and then buy skin
To be fair, I would take an intrusive anti-cheat like vanguard over the current state of cs. Though that chinese program running in the background when I start valorant kinda scares me
do you agree? I'm curious what you think about my premise, did Valorant actually fix a lot of Counter-Strike's problems, or is Valorant child game look to cartoon grapfix?
I only play Valorant because Counterstrike mm is shit and I don't have faceit in my region.
If CS had decent anticheat and good mm I would have never played Valorant this much.
Valorant > CS... No cheats, sell weaponds, walls on the begging
I personally think the random spawns are good, because it makes you strategise
you're the WarOwl, you're always right!
Still convinced that the operation animations for Cs is Source 2 that Valve kinda threw in as an obvious but not obvious easter egg
I think that unrated is also great. The ability as a new player to learn the game without worrying about ranks allows for more people to become interested. When I played my first CSGO game after only playing casual, I was completely lost. In Val, its the exact same so everything you learn as you learn the game applies to the main core of the game. Also, while the skins are pricy and unsellable, they are still cheaper. I have a knife in valorant. I spent 10 dollars for a battlepass. Additionally, I like the graphics better and everything about what it does better is true. I wish there was a replay system but its really cool that it still gets brand new content, like new agents and it feels really fresh.
WarOwl: "They're watching"
Me: Hmmm, I bet they are watching that too
Nah. If they're watching they would've implemented spectator/replay cam already
Court of the Owls agrees
"What's the main problem with Counter-Strike?"
That's an easy one, of course its Valve...
But damn, I can't think of any other company to ever own CS.
@@FahmiZFX Valve is both the greatest and worst company in the gaming industry because they don't give 2 shits about their games
@@tenderandmoist5011 pros of valve:
- amazing games, amazing ips like hl, portal, tf and cs
- their games are timeless and 6/9 of them are memorable and popular to this day (sadly, dod, alien swarm and ricochet arent played that much compared to tf, cs and/or l4d)
- owns steam, one of the biggest online game service there is
- has worked on both software (their games, steam itself) and hardware properties (deck, htc vive) and are very successful
cons of valve:
- sometimes, flat system leads to work imbalance. for instance, less than 2-3 people work on tf2 while the rest is going for deck and vr games (smth like alyx)
- their focus on deck and vr games leads to neglected works and cares to their old games, especially tf2 and csgo. take their vac, for example. their lack of care for it leads to unplayable matchmaking on both games (tf2 filled with bots and csgo with cheap cheaters)
@@tenderandmoist5011 definitely wrong statament.
CS:GO is update weekly, there was relatively Great number of big updates to CS:GO.
The biggest problem, is cheating, not easy to solve by the way.
@@trevusimon the reason its not easy to solve is because the majority of cheaters who are skilled use private softwares that you need invite codes for, and they have played against other cheaters for years. its a giant scene called hack vs hack. its been around since around 2013/2014 and its not simple to solve at all you are right
6:05 i need this as a phone call sound
Valorant is polished. They have improved on almost every factor that is shared with Counter Strike (except maybe the rng sprays and the dumbed down source movement). Especially at the beginning where people hadn't learned how to deal with abilities properly yet, it was extremely refreshing to play, cause a shot in the head would actually land in the head.
Fast forward a year though, Valorant seems to have a lot larger focus on abilities and agent metas than it used to. This just isn't that fun to me, and I suspect the same to be true for many other people.
So now we're stuck between a game that at it's core gameplay level is amazing and smart and fun to play, but has a company behind it that doesn't give a shit about their game, and on the other side a game that is (for many people) flawed in its gameplay concept, but improves in the mechanics drastically, and has a very passionate, active and communicative dev team behind it.
Why is no one talking about this??
When i played at the beginning i had stopped cs for a bit and the only thing the shooting in valorant did was make me appreciate cs more and i just went back to cs.
I mean Valorant is a character based game. Its inevitible for these types of games to focus around agent abilities and agent metas because in the end its what makes them unique from the compeitors without characters. The only exception i can think of is Rainbow6 Seige, but even then it still matters, just not as much in say Valorant, Overwatch, or LoL.
Contrary to many of the opinoins of some CS and Valorant fans, it just comes down to taste, not that one game is better than the others. Some people like the aspects brought in byu Valo being a character shooter, and some people like the aspects brought in by CS being on the more realistic side of things. Neither are wrong, just different tastes in what people like in games.
this 10000%
@@ziggidy_bop7471 agree
And the thing is, Valorant COULD have more militaristic aspects in terms of style while still being a cartoon set in the near future, but Riot chose not to have it.
Also Siege is not exactly hero based, because only one gadget should be exceptional for each operator, while everything else (guns & other equipment) is customizeable (something that hero based games often lack, if we don't count team fortress 2 in)
Your ending proverb is going down as the greatest line in the history of gaming
"Grandpa... what's a... Valorant?"
why is siege a raisin tho
"it's stuck in a thing but it's stuck backwards"
That whole “I want wine” thing is so accurate. I’ll still like Csgo even if it’s trash though.
Cheating is all that needs to be fixed for the majority to stop complaining tbh.
What's wrong with nade lineups? Infinite possibilities, ranges in skill, and you have to be much more calculated instead of "i clicked on the map now it's smoked".
Also i don't have time to know about all these agents and their abilities when they keep changing them when I don't play that much. It's so disorienting to play valorant
Sounds like a CSGO copium
@@jojodroid31 every time I launch Valorant there is a new agent and a new map appearing. I’d accept it if they gave time to adapt to the maps/agents, practice, and explore the maps WITH BOTS. No, instead you have to play trash unranked, and even then the map is decided randomly.
Why is this even a thing? Why can’t you choose the map you want to play on? That’s dumb af, it’s not Raibow 6 Siege. In R6Siege it makes sense and not that critical, especially considering the huge variety of bot game modes in R6Siege for every map. Plus finding a match/lobby would take ages in R6 if it let you choose maps, since there are a lot of them, but player base and online isn’t as huge. Valorant has over the top online
@@theseangle I do agree they need to add a map choosing feature but when a map first releases they allow u to play only that map for the first 2 weeks
@@theseangle In valo, there's a custom match option, and you can go in there solo, with the option to enable cheats (unlimited ammo/abilities/money) (pause the match timer) (enable respawn). I played alot of siege in the past and can only get a fraction of practice from t-hunt/custom compared to valo because there's no way to reset the round without dying. So, this really shouldn't be a problem. Hope this helps.
The Dr Cox impression has me dead! It was so on point!!!
I feel like in CS, you should get 1 free key for every service medal rank up, so that playing the game at least gives you the possibility of not getting crap skins and graffitis.
@@wallyflops He talks about service medal levels. Not ranks.
lol, no
you'd absolutely murder the entire steam market economy and literally give boosters a money printer
I like a lot of the changes Valorant did, but I just absolutely HATE the core gameplay.
Well, it sounds petty and shallow, but for me I just can't stand the cartoonish artstyle and especially the intrusive screaming UI.
@@user-xo9ig8kc3u that's fair, everybody have a taste, i personally don't give a fuck about the artstyle, i play it because the guns feels really crispy
The core gameplay of Valorant is more complex than in CS:GO. I find it a lot more fun due to many agents having abilities that give you stuff that was IMPOSSIBLE in CS:GO :D
@@deivytrajan
More =/= complex. I find it to be the opposite. I find the skill ceiling in Valorant to be far lower than the one in CSGO.
@@BromTeque IMO Valorant's skill ceiling is quite higher. Sure, in CSGO you have being able to master a spray pattern that is the same for every gun as well as learning lineups for utility but in Valorant, there is so much to learn because of the number of characters. You have to learn what each character does and learn how to play at least a few of them effectively and learn when and where it is best to use their utility. You still have to learn a variety of lineups for certain characters which are essential for playing that character but here, no character shares the same lineups. You also have to learn to be mindful of every character's abilities and react to the agents the opposing team chooses, which can affect the angles you hold, what you use your utility on, what sites you put players on, etc. And there are a number more things that you have to worry about in Valorant that just don't exist in CSGO.
If randomness is bad in competitive shooters, what about the random spray patterns in valorant?
that is one thing I do not like about valorant, how am I supposed to spray transfer consistently if I don't know where it's gonna go lmao
there's a reason that exist. It's to give equal opportunity to players. Riot will always lean on the majority of players than the dedicated ones. They have a philosophy where there should be a ground between casual and dedicated players. This is why league is designed to be easy to learn but hard to master
@@aye796 What? The very nature of competitive games is to give the advantage to better players. Are you saying in a 1v1 duel between a good player and a bad player the random spray is supposed to make the fight nearly equal? Why wouldn’t we want to good player to come out on top almost every time? If your point was that it’s easier to learn what difference does a set spray pattern make to a new player? They would just think it’s random anyways
@@nickjordan9406 I look at it like this and i'm gonna use siege as a reference
In siege 1 shot headshot exists meaning every fight is technically equal right?
wrong every gun fight is a 50/50 because your opponent can crouch - quick peek outa the gun fight to make you waiste some bullets or stand
this is the case with every single gun fight in cs or val there is ALWAYS luck
I don't like random sprays but the logic "luck is bad in esports" makes no sense when it has always bee there
Heck even ping can cause luck and make it so you are at a disadvantage
really a 1v1 against players of equal skill is decided by who had their crosshair in the right place before the fight happened
e.g some siege pros aim crouch height and flick up to head height
depending on the map and positioning you make a guess but it's all luck
even sound design in every game is partly luck usually
with sound being slightly inconsistent
@@reelgesh51 I think you misinterpreted my point. My original comment was pointing out that WarOwl said luck is bad in competitive shooters, but only points out csgos random spawns and fails to mention valorant’s random spray patterns. I also don’t really see what your example has to do with this situation. If the spray patterns are set, the same luck variables you mentioned still apply. It just increases the skill ceiling without touching the floor
Valve: Changes a pixel in a map nobody plays.
The Cs:GO community: The game is Dead! Valve ruined Cs:GO! Valve Does not care!
Riot: Does 1 thing right and fucks everything up.
Valorant: It's ok guys Riot will fix it sometime later.
you mean mid on dust 2 ? theres a difference here tho, csgo has been out for 8 years, riot has League and valorant is a new game
@@rikkoo yet they needed more than a year to nerf breach flash lol
@@RamsLiff Cs:GO is in its most balanced state right now while valorant's balancing is all over the place.
@@ilikemusic3856 love How the character only utility is a insta dash, without that the character is completly useless, they made the character broken and cant nerf It lol
@@RamsLiff Yeah you are right.
CS:GO is an android, it has all the customizable you wanted. Valorant is an iPhone, It's solid, simple, accessible.
And every other operating system uses Android as a base. Escape from Tarkov, Rainbow Six Siege, Arma 3, Squad, etc.
this is a bad analogy especially since csgo is a sandbox game and valorant is not
I hope this "man" jokes
@@corvus4523 wait, how is cs:go a sandbox game?
I find your description of an iPhone as "accessible" disturbing.
"quick! what's the main problem with counter strike?"
me who doesn't meet cheaters: "the ranking system"
"you said cheating!"
“uhh no halftime voice chat!”
if u dont meet the cheater u ARE the cheater
@@fisherprice499 i dont think thats how it works
@@fisherprice499 hasn't played with or against a cheater for almost 2 months now and yes its in mm and i played like 2 matches everyday
64tickrate I said
I honestly like the random spawns in csgo. It forces you to approach every round differently. Where in valorant i usually end up doing the same thing too many time. Might just be me:D
At the highest caliber of play uncontrollable factors towards the player becomes more of a hinderance towards them, rather than a unique and undefined way to play the game more ambiguously.
The random bullet sprerad however.... lmao
@@Ethiixx You do know CS has random bullet spread too, right? its the pattern that stays the same, but the spread is random...
@@leviwynn1075 idk i've heard pros liking spawn randomness on Dust2.
also i agree with original post
@@leviwynn1075 I think there's an "easy" fix to that. Limit the ammount of possible spawns in a competitive match to 5 and select the ones closest to action. That would still keep the dynamic of spawns (which I personally enjoy) while limiting the RNG factor. You would always have one person with the best spawn for a set destination.
I dont even play CS anymore, but your videos are still fantastic. Keep it up WarOwl!
"I want wine"
So do Linux players who want Valorant :(
LoL. I got that reference. Sadly its not going to be a thing unless riot goes out of their way to join the steam deck hype train.
(Spoilers)
THEY FUCKING WONT HAHA GET REKT EZ
They already took their stances on VMs and by extension linux, and said no. (For a good while you could run it under KVM-QEMU and not have any issues at all, until some youtuber decided to clickbait people with the title: "indian man BEATS valorant's shady anticheat" publicizing the methodology in detail)
@@generic6099 but he did get past the anti cheat??? he knew it would get patched when he published the vid, he just wanted to prove it could be done
@@ThimothyXYZ thanks for pointing out the obvious, captain obvious. Youve done a great service to those who cant find the obvious. ;)
@@andeevfx8115 his title, not mine.
I have to admit SOG is somewhat.. cringe.. with tech related stuff.
My only problem with valorant is that it feels like rubber, the aim feels off, the movement like sneaking and the overall design like platic.
And the run and gun in valorant for some guns are baaaaad
Me too, but, unlike csgo, valorant is playable right now.
The biggest problem is that you only get like 5-10 shots of a spray that you have control over - the rest are complete RNG.
I really agree with the first 2 points, valorant just doesnt feel smooth (or as smooth) as cs when moving your mouse/ looking around and also aiming is easier for me in cs too.
@@Spulix Suprised that WarOwl didn't mention the spray RNG
I'd say that a good comparison between the 2 games is that Valorant is Apple and CS:GO is Linux.
Valorant has a lot of polish and is very easy to pick up and play, but it lacks deeper customisation and community content.
Cs:go is not as pretty or modern as Valo, and it has a bunch of difficult to grasp mechanics, but it's a much more precise game in terms of gameplay, and is extremely customizable through the console, community maps, skins, servers, etc.
good analogy
Not completely wrong, but what you didn't mention is the fact that moneywise CSGo would be Apple... And this Version of Linux you describe would get hacked every second day
Plus the skins on Valorant are leagues ahead of csgo.
@@dezafeatleHD but you have to pay $50 to make your gun yellow
@@dezafeatleHD but the only purpose they serve is to look good if u buy skins in cs go ur money isint wasted u can get it back or even get more than u paid in valorant u spen 50 dollars so that ur gun makes dragon sounds and has unececary particle effects that make it harder to play
I suppose more than anything I just like being able to hop in to a competitive game of valorant (with a better feeling sightly shorter match time) from the game itself rather than being forced to play on Faceit to get an even somewhat tolerable experience on csgo.
I like both games. They're not that different fundamentally and I don't think valorants gunplay is really noticeably worse, it just feels a bit different and feels like it wants you to tap more rather than go for sprays in csgo. And as I can't dedicated 3+ hours a day to games these days and also enjoy playing other stuff from time to time, not having to relearn a dozen smoke lineups and other stuff like that is something I don't mind at all.
Valorant is like the woke hippie version of CS. Perfect for Gen-Z, since they can't handle advanced learning or have any skills.
@@foopadr9076 cringe take
@@foopadr9076 based take
@@foopadr9076 take
@@britmachine722 cringe take on a pretty good take
Clever addition to queue Starcraft music as you talk about CS having history haha
I'm going to quote someone I saw in the comments and it is exactly how I feel about the game "There is so much bullsh*t happening on the screen its unbearable.
Agents that press one button that sends out some bullsh*t that tracks you on the map... 50 flashes going out, stuns or daze or whatever it is... Agent that teleports so you have to look around and search for him... Sometimes less is more" -J
Thanks g
I absolutely agree with you, since I am unable to bring myself to play cs, I have to ignore so much noise to focus, it's super distracting IMO.
It's for zoomers not boomers
This, less is more
i love randomness like that lol
Installing vanguard on your pc is like putting a fuse in your fuel tank. Sure, the car runs fine, but someone lights the fuse and boom.
i don't understand your point
@@horizon1g basically saying the anti cheat is pretty shady for itself to begin with. Riot’s parent company is Tencent who is a company that is heavily involved with the Chinese government. Who knows what the anti cheat is doing. The problem with Vanguard when it first came out it was closing programs on peoples pcs without notifying it. It’s running on your PC the second you turn it on. It’s also been known to blue screen peoples PCs. I’ve had it happen to me once.
@@larry2281 so if its chinese then its not trustworthy ? Interesting
@@pepeokatze no. it's just the chinese government isn't something you should trust lol.
@Protector_Name The difference is that they only load their driver when it's needed. Valorant devs claim this makes it easier to cheat, but that is horseshit. It may make it harder for the average joe to cheat but anyone that is dedicated enough to cheat will be able to cheat regardless. All it does is make cheats more expensive.
One of the funnier youtube vids I have seen in a long long time. Keep up the good work!
me rewatching this vid after cs2 is in beta
Does Valorant still have RNG horizontal spray and RNG shotgun spray? I tried it a few months ago but I wasn't a fan, especially not for all the stupid hero shooter crap. Can't even throw a smoke grenade if the smoke character gets picked, the game did my fucking head in.
I also felt like it needed more casual modes, say what you want about CS:GO 10v10 casual not being balanced but it's hella fun to have two massive teams against each other, and the casual nature gives you a nice environment to learn the map layouts. Valorant had barely any gamemodes when I played, really disappointing.
Yes. cs>>>>val
But theres an unrated mode no?
Escalation mode is pretty fun imo, basically a 5v5 gun game team deathmatch
Spike rush and snow ball fight too. Replicate too
@@julliferjosephtuba2202 Escalation is my favourite out of all these others. I wish it wouldnt switch with snowball fight and replication
I love these intros so much. Whenever you play around with this sniper symbol. Haha.
I swear to god when he said"I only have about 20 seconds left..."2 unskipable ads popped up.
My theory about no 64 tick in mm is that valve doesn’t want to put esea and faceit out of business. It seems like such an inexpensive fix.
I think that if Valorant improved the gunplay, the game would go from a 7/10 to a 9/10.
Running and gunning is a problem, the rng sprays need to go. Do that, and you’ve got a fantastic game.
so call of duty then?
yes, absolutely agree
@@Spherehead123 we are talking about games that takes skill
I would also say that spraying feels unnatural, like why the sudden recoil jerk in the 4th bullet(usually the decisive one, if it's not a head shot) when it comes to the ars.
I dunno what they can do about spectres though. I understand that it's an smg, I still feel it's too good of an smg lel.
The tourneys are so fun to watch
@@abhinandhari7812 i personally think the spectre is fine. And yes, spraying does feel unnatural
Maybe if Valve had an external anticheat? Faceit AC is extremely effective compared to VAC and just like Vanguard which is even more intrusive.
then linux would not work, and I don't trust companies who wanna put that shit on my pc
@@IAm-zo1bo Then let us enjoy a game without cheaters, and if you don't trust them, don't play the game they made.
@@ognjenarsenijevic3444 or how about 2 servers: 1 for intrusive/external anticheat and 1 without?
@@ognjenarsenijevic3444 You can enjoy a game without cheaters. It's called Valorant. And if you want to play CSGO like that, there's FACEIT and similar stuff. Not literally every single game needs to be like that by default. It is understandable that Valve doesn't want to commit to an incredibly invasive anticheat system that'd make the game almost impossible to port. I think the future of anticheat are AI based sytems, which wouldn't require the invasiveness, but we're not there yet.
The cheaters are not a problem what so ever. I'd rather play with cheaters all day than play with furry snowflakes Gen-Z on Valorant.
That was a very awesome video Warowl. Especially the part with the grape and the wine :D
Riot fixed cheating by making a super intrusive anti-cheat but still can't beat triggerbots, RNG, "gunplay" and clipping
what's a triggerbot? i would thought It's a cheat
@@shortcat A Triggerbot is a cheat that automatically shoots for a user when a crosshair is placed over an enemy.
@ so it was irony, i see
@One Guy Named Ivan Yet you fail to realize the sole reason that the super intrusive anti-cheat works is due to it's intrusion into your bios start. So if anything was altered it would be detected as BIOs are what controls the OS(operating system) this system has no way to stop an externally added program. A second computer using a live feed set up to feed to a second computer and send back to the main computer as a mouse input ie trigger bot with a 1ms response time which is the perfect roll back time for the netcode to make it undetectable. There are many other aspects to this method but this is just the simplest way since there is no way to ban a pre-programmed macro like from your mouse, same concept.
Basically streaming main game onto second computer for it to send m1 back to fire like a mouse macro which can't be detected.
@One Guy Named Ivan Never said the code is perfect, literally the OPPOSITE of what I said. Literally, garbage netcode makes it the PERFECT place for trigger bots to become undetectable. and Vanguard literally puts your computer at the BIGGEST risk to getting breached through RIOT.
We have a different definition of 'fixed'. When I play Valorant, I find the overemphasis on being a competitive game has meant the game feels sterile and lifeless. It has no charm, no quirks. It just feels like no love went into it.
idk it depends on people cuz it's the exact opposite for me csgo feels lifeless and boring but in valorant i have agents to unlock battle to grind and don't have to worry about someone killing trough the wall every game
I disagree, you can do so much cool bullshit in Valorant, the agent abilities let you do a bunch of fun stuff you can’t do in csgo
@@brandaccountname9833 lol workshop maps
@@brandaccountname9833 that's... by design. CSGO is a hardcore tactical shooter, none of that agent ability fluff there. That's something Siege does, but Tarkov doesn't. Would you compare Siege to Tarkov?
The biggest own-goal for steam for GO was killing off it's own modding community with its hyper-focus on competitive gaming.
Thats all well and good but at the end of the day the shooting in valorant just isnt fun...
The problem I've had with CSGO when coming back to it after a few years of not playing seriously is the ranking system they added a few years back and the hotboxes not matching up with the player skins. It makes it really annoying to be destroyed by a smurf in current-age silver who has a massive player model and hat but a tiny hitbox so my shots just look like they aren't connecting. Doesn't seem to matter if I carry or bottom frag, whether I play sometimes or a lot of times, it just seems like I randomly rank up or down. Really discouraging.
I love the second paragraph better than the first one in your description
The only point I really disagree with you on is the spawning/chokepoints arguement. Yes, random spawns aren't great, but I definitely don't think Valorant's system is the way to go. Dumbing down the initial engagement into essentially a randomised 1v1 arena is tactically devoid and boring. The majority of a csgo round is the build up. It's the suspense of not knowing whether they're just around the corner. It's tactically gaining as much information as you can before the engagement to maximise your odds. There's a story unfolding in every round, and it's very exciting to see.
With Valorant, I feel like the round just throws you in and it's almost over right as it starts. So many 'CT' rounds in Valorant was just "3,2,1, GO ....... they're not here, better rotate" and by the time I've trudged my way across the horribly designed maps, it's just retaking. I feel like there's no tactics, no build up, no suspense, and no story. Set spawn points in cs would probably be better, if it's current system is a problem, but I personally don't think it is.
Can't agree more. I'm always excited to found myself with the best spawn so I could ask for a flash and overpeek somewhere.
100% agreeed
You basically touched on this but it brings needed variety to the game and the rounds, like you said Valorants system feels just boring
This whole video, I was just thinking "that's great, but Valorant is just... boring" and I think this is a big part of why. Well put.
try watching just a few rounds, maybe 6 rounds of a pro tourney. Just like in CS, most of the time (if ppl have brains) they have to get info, bait enemies into thinking something, and have multiple strats per match. Sure if you're in lower ranks, im pretty sure everyone's rushing one site. But you don't win by rushing. You have to find info, cut noise, bait a site, etc. I do think that there are really boring matches, but there are also really hype matches in valorant. In CS, pretty much every match you can expect to be pretty fun and some spikes, but in valorant, it's both boring and stupidly exciting sometimes. There are some moments that I wouldn't never think of in CS, same for CS to val.
Great video! The last part also sums up really well about how I feel about these tac-shooters, with how each one does its own thing better than the other while introducing their own problems, yet we can't have a perfect mix of all. I just wish you went a bit deeper on why Valve should introduce a higher tickrate on official servers because while it is technically better than 64, a sizeable portion of the playerbase accross the globe would not be able to take advantage or even handle the increased stream of data, at least according to Valve Dev John McDonald. Hell, even Valorant only has an Update Rate of 73. However, Premier should definately be 128 tick to make true competitive Counter-Strike even more accessible than having to go through the hassle of playing on third party servers, and they should definitely fix some of the weirdness and inconsistencies that occur when playing the game at a higher tickrate, such as the different grenade jump throw trajectories, slightly faster recoil recovery rate, etc.
Anyway, fantastic analysis and video :)
I great thing in valorant is 128 tick servers without paying for a third party matchmaking service. Pretty silly that you gotta do that in CS. I don’t know about other people, but it feels so different for me; my movement feels smoother and my shots feel more accurate. Might just be me :P
Intro being done in one take. A true professional!
But the whole spawn thing and not being able to sell weapons back adds a unique charm. I would genuinely feel sad if they removed this.
Agree the random spawns encourage different tactics on both sides and don't have a huge impact unless you're rushing that round. And if you had bad communication and overbuy that's not the game's fault.
@@PotbellyPunch yeah sure but does it make the game more fun? No
@@PotbellyPunch These changes are the definition of "Quality of Life"
@@Talonzor too much QoL becomes coddling
VALORANT: smurfs arent a problem. You only have them in Iron to Platinum Rank. Just become Diamond and there are no more smurfs... duh!
😂😂😂😂
@Kimmy and I played csgo only for a week and reached global elite. Look we're all writing fantasy novels about our lives
@Meh yea i agree it's pretty easy for a ge to reach diamond in a month but I don't think that guy is even an mg2 lol
Man I love how your intro was stopped 😂
Hey thanks WarOwl, you got me to play my first game of Valorant and I was the MVP of my very first unrated match. what a great game
It's not the performance of the player that makes a game great ;-)
"John is a great guy! He said that I'm cool!".
heres a point of reference, i hit global elite in cs for the last time in 2017, even though i continued to play often i cant get it again. I live in OCE and cheating is so bad with prime, green trust everything, you will still get atleast 1 cheater every game. In OCE the highest rank you can get legit is DMG. I switched to valo about 5 months ago and hit radiant second act and top 100 in my third act, but i cant even get LE in CS. the game is in a sad state in my region
What's oce?
Also damn u sound like someone who plays well, so congo to that
@@abhinandhari7812 ocenia region, i live in australia but share servers with signapore and hong kong and some other counties sometimes. id say this is the worst region in esports besides china.
edit: all regions
@@zoniannitrate2905 the problem with mm in OCE is the rank distribution is absolutely fucked. Look at a graph of ranks in AU vs everywhere else. Its heavily left skewed to silver. Its fucked.
@@zoniannitrate2905 indonesian here, so you often join asia's singapore server ?
how the ping ? Is it lag ? sometime i join Aussie server and its so lag
well its true sometime you find a cheater, but not evrytime and people in asia server do can reach beyond DMG, im DMG myslef (was) but some of my steam friend is still at LE LEM even Global
i dont get cheaters in CS prime now rarely maybe once in 20 games
valorant is good but... different abilities of characters can also be a disadvantage. In CS you are all same with a gun
in valorant you need to learn every character's abilities, obviously you can just pick one again and again(like me picking pheonix) but you won't be familiar what your teammates can do and what the enemy can do
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My opinion is same as you, but with an addition. I don't really like those flashy agents and the game's theme and also their flashy skin. The flashy skin is reminding me about those cheap asian fps game when i was playing in internet cafe. But damn the ranking system and anti-cheat is good.
The agent problem u have will come with experience like just play around 25 games, u will be preety familiar with every agent and the agents you havent faced in the 25 games can be practiced around in the training ground.
this isnt league of legends where theres 200 heroes, theres literally 20 heroes and most of them have incredibly simple cs go style skills, after one game of fighting against them or playing them you instantly understand them
Val decides what you can do and have to do for you. Its more about the agent you choose rather than your own skills and understanding of the game.
Both works imo, but cs has much higher ceiling and the difference between the good and the greats are quite staggering.
6:05 that sounded like 6am from fnaf and the best part:
Its at the minute 6.
Poggers
"counter strike is a grape, siege is a raisin, valorant is purple flavor" sums it up perfectly
Valorant is forgiving, CS isn't. Valorant is fiction, CS is life
Imagine typing this without feeling embarrassment
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@@kemalsorucuoglu3689 wdym
yep bunny hoppin is super realistic
time to bunny hop into the buildin to kill some taliban boi's see ya in a few ;)
Both games are fictional. Get a life.
Imagine CSGO without cheaters 🤯
Imagine Valorant with players
Imagine valorant with a good competitive scene
@@NomTheDom cant imagine something that is already there
@@NomTheDom No need to imagine we already have that.
@@MaLva500 just compare their twitch numbers and player count and see who's leading
For me, a big issue is the slow map rotation. A game with so much history, and i'm stuck into playing 6 maps all the time. The new maps are Ok, but why does Cobble, Aztec or Italy isn't in the rotation??
Because cobble is God awful
That slap kills me :D thx u man. I love dis dude. Greedings from germany
I think loyalty for a game is good but not to the point that no innovation is allowed. Every game has its pros and cons.
the ranking system is fine and all, but there are way too few private servers.
old CS was mostly private servers (clans)
CSGO matchmaking is modern, and it s|_|cks:
i can faster join a CS1.6 server than a damn CSGO server.
the whole mainmenue of CS:GO is also modern and boooi is it ugly.
i could puke allday long.
so pathetic.
old CS menues were on point - nessesary things only.
@@Blei1986 That us true that the cs1.6 menu was clean and easy still love it.
I hope CS:GO does not become similar to Valorant. They are different games and should be treated as so.
That Cox call back was delightful.
It's a breath of fresh air I kinda moved to valorant full time. Though I'm LE in cs go and bronze 3 in val, I dunno lol
This was fantastically well done. As always. I haven't dipped my toes into Valorant myself because Vanguard scares me to my core. I just don't want to have it running. It's so intrusive!
thank you, it's very difficult to make a vid about this topic without infuriating my viewers, who I'm trying to entertain. And yeah if you are worried about the security problems don't install Vanguard, I totally respect that.
@@TheWarOwl On the topic of Vanguard, would it be possible to get a comparison of how it intrudes and detects cheats vs VAC, vs other popular anti-cheats?
Not that different from face it anti cheat
@@miguelangelo96 Accept the part that Tencent has access to your date. Which means if the CCP tell Tencent to give all their data of you, to them, they have to.
@@FloofysTV Not a software engineer, but I think as it's closed source, it would be difficult to know exactly how it works and what data it takes, so no.
This video was amazing!
Loved the humor Brent, especially you stoping the intro, the timing was on point.
valorant's characters are also much easier to see. in CS i sometimes struggle to see enemies because they are in a dark place and they have darker clothing like at 6:51, whereas in valorant the colors are much brighter and the enemies have outlines
I loved the grape and wine analogy. Made me laugh so hard.
Not to say, in game crosshair designer was added previous year when I remember it being part of game in condition zero days.
I thought I would switch completely to Valorant full time when it first came out because of these things that it fixes from CSGO, but at the end of the day it's about the gameplay. The more I played, the more I realized CS gameplay is the best. It's just so pure. I don't like all of the visual clutter. I don't like the randomness in the spray patterns. I don't like how easy it is to use utility. I don't like toxic 14 year olds in all of my games. I much prefer toxic 20 somethings lol. That being said, I hope CSGO continues to learn and improve from the things that Valorant does better, because they do a lot right.
Same, I love how much you have to learn to get better at the game in cs over the simplicity of valorant.
Same...I liked this video but I disagree on the utility point bcoz smoke line ups is also a skill
Agreed. Learning to use smokes, flashes and nades is a skill like learning spray patterns. This creates a nice and clear difficulty curve that goes up with rank. In Valorant there seems to be a huge mess of unequally skilled players in the middle ranks.
We thought Valorant would be a more modern imroved cs, it didn't deliver
Also shooting (especially tapping, and spraying, and bursting, basically everything) in Valorant is way worse, especially if your ping is higher than 70 ms. Mine is 90 in csgo, 150 in Valorant. Then they say Valorant has better net code. No, it doesn’t, plus Valorant has worse lag compensation, the delays are fkin bizarre.
I really enjoyed this short video essay
I liked the singing. Please more of this, Owl!
I wish valorant had an option for a classic style competitive. I can't stand player abilities.
there is an agent for that, his name is "KAY/O" he is the robot guy, and if you read his description, he makes it so that the enemies cannot use abilities, his grenade functions to similarly to the csgo molotov, and his flash is identical to csgos flash, and if you cant handle that i suggest doing this thing called "not using your abilities" sounds revolutionary i know
Same... There is so much bullshit happening on the screen its unbearable.
Agents that press one button that sends out some bullshit that tracks you on the map... 50 flashes going out, stuns or daze or whatever it is... Agent that teleports so you have to look around and search for him... Sometimes less is more
Doing that would change the game at core lol
@@migzzo7144 "just don't use your abilities" okay but what about the enemies. you didn't really think that one through bro.
@@Bleh197 your comment made such an impression on someone they quoted it elsewhere in the comments as brilliant. I think you won at yt
Hi Mr Warowl appreciate the excellent content. Been waiting for this video since your tweet :)
it’s been more than a year and Valve hasn’t looked at their flaws
3:47 the ad placement there, Idk if that was on purpose, but that was hilarious LMAO
VALORANT: what are... "spray patterns"? you mean random and luck based bullet spread?
i hate that feature lol
I switched back to playing csgo.
Finally A Scrubs reference! I respect you even more now, mr Owl
A dr. cox reference at that!
1.6 sound design will never ever be surpassed it is etched into my brain forever ,just the other day i heard the iconic GO GO GO . . someone had as their notification sound it hit me in the brain
What rhythm was 6:06? My doorbell used to have this and I feel like I’ve heard this a couple of times
4:57 yes, it makes. You can learn an exotic lineup, outbrain your opponents and don't need to just have better aim. Yeah, you can do that with sova but still. It's just on op which limits you in different ways
I think that his point is about the choice the game gives, but I also feel that limiting the roles absolutely makes the game a bit more annoying
The way I see it, it greatly benefits everyone in the team to learn grenades and that for me, a player that can't be bothered to spend the time to learn them and just wants to out aim their opponent, is not really a good thing, I certainly miss out by not learning them. Now on the other hand, I can jump into Valorant, insta pick Reyna and leave the smokes and whatnot for my teammates to deal with while I just click on their heads without feeling like I am missing out on anything.
Valorant having anti-cheat running in kernel-mode, like a device driver, shouldn't be a thing from security perspective
Why? Would you care to explain to a fellow ignorant on the subject?
Have you played with battle eye or easy anti-cheat? Those are both also kernel level
If it get rid of cheaters fast then I don’t even care, the company is big enough and have a really good reputation so I don’t mind if Vanguard running in kernel-mode
@@khanhliuliu_ you will literally have the ccp watching your computer
@@HaxxorElite im not working for the government so if they even do then who cares? You working for the government or something?, Any proofs for your statement?
3:02 wow WarOwl went to Italy this summer :D
i really don’t think valorant will kill csgo. I think that csgo will kill itself
Like it already hasn't lol
Facts
@@joltsy4935 facts
The rng spawns adds A LOT to the game, specially in professional games. At least in CS, because every round is new opportunities.
yep, barriers make Val repetitive and boring. CS spawn mechanic FORCES players to play each round differently and rewards map knowledge and movement skills.
@@Techtronos this is true
@@Techtronos that seems like a dumb way to add complexity to a game
@@Techtronos no its RNG XDDD it doesn't reward map knowledge and movement skills, it just means oh wow every is spawned for b time to rush. its bullshit you guys need to stop being so stuck on a game that the creators dont give a shit about
Yep rng spawns keep things fresh
Been saying this for years. In cs. if you want your team to smoke site you need 4 architects and a protracter but in valorant you can just like click.
yeah, you gen-Z(imp) is lazy, if you want a one click game, go play Candy Crush on your smartphone
@@foopadr9076 non lineup based smokes make team play a lot more fun imo. you can change things up every round without investing time in private games learning smokes for every map
@@blueso5351 if you wanna play with a bunch of gays go play Dota 2 or Valorant. CSGO is for chads and racists. If you can't handle the semi-advanced options, as i said, go play a one click game and "be cool with your Gen-Z friends" lol. Or you actually learn something by trying and stop sitting on your spoiled, privileged ass.
@@blueso5351 but then again, which pro does random one click smokes and doesn't keep them for specific lineups? (one ways/double blockers)
@@ObviouslyDeven pros know lineups for every spot from every spot pretty much. new people dont. whenever you first play cs the only real strategy you can do is 5 push a site, because grabbing mid control without smoke lineups is near impossible. in valorant anyone can smoke as long as they know how to play videogames
Wasn’t even in the mood for a counter strike video but @warowl you are so entertaining
The thing with the utility is that in valorant the agents are futuristic with high-tech gadgets so them having airstrike smokes and out of body utility usage makes sense.
In CSGO, the CT's and T's are more modern with modern technology. It would be unrealistic for them to be able to smoke via a satellite of sorts. If that were to happen, then the next logical step would be to implement characters with special abilities which turns csgo into valorant.
I do agree with cross map pings though that should be implemented and wouldn't break immersion.