Plus that story about Kronos is not why we say "chronological" it's just because he's the titan of time, pretty much every other story about him makes that clearer
She also got it wrong on why Kronos eats his children. He wasn't afraid of losing his "kingdom", he had killed his own father and feared that one day one of his children might do the same.
@@Sandmann629 Yes, but that's not the point of the myth. It's not Kronos' desire to remain as the leader among the titans which leads him to eat his children, to say otherwise is to lose all meaning in the telling of the story. That would be like saying that Aragorn fights in Lord of the Rings because he wants to be king of Gondor.
With how these parents are doing it? Yeah. They're just neglecting their child and calling it unschooling for clout. At its core? No. Unschooling was coined by educator John Holt who took inspiration from Ivan Illich, a philosopher who coined the term deschooling as criticism of the concept of institutionalized education. These people have absolutely zero care or understanding of what they're doing, they're just doing it for attention because it's trendy. They're terrible people with or without unschooling who would have neglected their child anyway. Grifters.
Unschooling is a fitting name, considering it’s just home schooling but you take the the schooling out. So the kids are just home. Doing chores and learning nothing.
actually insane shit tbh. i was home-schooled for 2nd and 3rd grade and ended up being two years ahead of my peers when i went back to mainstream schooling 😭😭 we had a mix of a proper curriculum with work out of books and hands-on learning. we went to a lot of group activities for other home-schooled kids and it was great for my neurodivergent baby brain to be outdoors more and surrounded by other weird kids like me as opposed to being shouted at by teachers and bullied by my classmates. my parents are also both very smart and i've always been a curious individual by nature so i would always be asking questions and reading like 5 books a week
I was homeschooled and met unschoolers. Most of the time they didn't even do chores. They grew up playing videogames and being on social media 100% of their days. They had emotional, mental, and behavioral issues. It is just an excuse for lazy mothers
@@michellechair yep! I was in college level literature at 12 and learned pre-algebra, algebra 1&2, and some geometry all in one year, and I can read Latin. I'm so glad I was homeschooled K-12 😂
Hi, I was unschooled. I genuinely didn't expect to ever see a TH-camr I watch cover the subject, but it really makes me happy to see some light shed on it. I was in an unschooled setting until 9th grade when all my siblings were set to school as part of an agreement in a court case (very long story) I'm now in my senior year of Highschool and it's been a culture shock to say the least. As an unschooler, I never learned most math concepts. Most of what I did was read and then explain those stories back to my mom. Grocery shopping really was a school lesson sometimes as was playing outside (sometimes for hours because I wasn't allowed back in the house). Some days we would just go to the park and hang out. There was no structure, no plan, no way to explain any of this as credits when I finally did go to a real school. I was cut off from the world, no internet access, no relationships aside from my siblings and my parents. Unschooling isn't an alternative schooling method, it's abuse. I was just lucky enough to be pulled out of it before reaching adulthood. It's not a new thing either and it's not entirely a rare unicorn of a concept. Thank you very much for talking about this and for making me laugh along the way. I know you'll never see this comment, but I hope that by putting it into the universe, it'll reach you anyway.
This 100% sounds like abuse. I'm betting you had no idea what the terminology of "Unschooling" was until recently because you most likely spent most of your childhood thinking it was normal. This sounds so scary, and I'm glad you've escaped that situation. Hope all is going better for you.
@@lovelysophxox Yes, it was actually this video that made me really realize that unschooling is the word for my "education". I had always been told it was homeschooling and I just assumed that all homeschooling was like that. It wasn't until I actually went to high-school that I learned homeschooling wasn't the right word for it. So for a while I just referred to it as homeschooling but bad. This Chad Chad video was the first time I've heard of it as unschooling and watching the video I was like "oh, that's what I did" I knew other unschooled kids from a group meet-up thing my family did for like a year. But we were all under the impression this was just how homeschooling worked. I'm in a better situation now and on my way to graduating high-school this year. Hopefully more awareness and videos like this will stop parents from thinking this is a good form of education.
@@rebmit4176this is so evil,i cant possibly fathom how anyone could look at this and be like "mmmhhhh yeah lets just not teach him math or anything he would need to be good in highschool"
This. This exactly. I was properly homeschooled and it was insanely difficult and required a ton of organization and self discipline. If you’re having a great “all fun no work everything gets learned naturally” experience, you’re doing lots of things way wrong…. I loved being homeschooled. I did very well at university and did indeed have a great social life. Planning to do it with our son. But I’m well aware of how much is required of parents to make it successful and not just a weird “babysitting” experience
@@MarieReederPianist I'm so glad you had such a positive experience but as you said, it was still very hard work, which you and your parents can be really proud of. I'm from Germany, homeschooling isn't allowed here as our system is different but I would have loved that bcs the regular school system isn't nice on neurodivergent people like myself. But isn't it crazy that parents have the full autonomy on deciding what their kids are allowed to learn and what not? How are they going to be able to make a living for themselves once they're older without any form of education? That is just beyond me
These people need to be prosecuted for child neglect. Their children are going to be a burden on society, and are going to despise their parents later in life.
They sure are lazy, this is just an excuse not to do anything. I didn't like the school curriculum and how my kids were treated but I want them to learn more than what the schools teaching that's my problem and I'm fixing it. This is disgusting
I've seen Facebook posts about 12 year olds being unable to read due to this unschooling foolishness and I feel so bad for any of these kids no matter what job they want in the future. It is such a handicap to not be able to read at an 8th grade level and do basic math as an adult
Reality: they will never be in college. They may not even be able to work as receptionists. You know how like 2-3% of the US population is illiterate? Yeah, these are those people. They're ruined, handicapped, for life. Once the time passes you can't learn that shit.
My eye legitimately started twitching about 15s into the definition of "unschooling" like YES please follow your child's innate curiosity but under no circumstances should that be the only driving force in deciding what they learn
I feel like our education system doesn't even need a radical change. If they could introduce a bit more intuition and application into the subjects, it would help tremendously. Learning logarithms seems completely arbitrary and have no real world connection at all. For that trig equation a2+b2=c2, all they have to do is cut out the respective squares and show how the little squares fit into the big square, then it would be much more intuitive than making it another formula to be memorized.
I feel like this is just a bad version of the Montessori method, where children interact with their learning environment and get hands-on with their lessons. Children are in charge of their lessons, BUT the adult can still help them if they need any. Their education takes place in both the inside and outside world, and as well as academic subjects such as math and science, but can also learn more creative subjects such as art and music. Montessori has a curriculum, but it’s loose and can adjust to the children’s individual needs. Unschooling has no curriculum and even though it can adjust to the child, it often doesn’t because of the way the parents don’t really care about the child and don’t place them first, but only for their benefit to create a “mini-me,” because they want their kid to prioritize them and to think just like them.
I mean there are def sane versions of the "let the child explore their own interests" idea. I know it's a big part of the Montessori and Waldorf teaching methodologies. Any real school would still have some kind of set curriculum though, and they'd still force kids to learn at least the basics of stuff they're not interested in
this!! i see these types of developmental milestones in my pre-school class's 3-4 year olds who are just starting to explore language and writing, not 6 year olds. it's really sad to see :/
Yeah I grew up unschooled and wrote that way until I was like 13 until I realized everyone my age could read and write while it took me like an hour to read a page from a book.
I was "unschooled" which means my dad got drunk and passed out on the couch while I read textbooks and peer reviewed journal in the next room because I wanted to learn and nobody else was going to teach me. I turned 18 and I was legally free but financial freedom seems all but impossible. I still live with my mom and I have been looking for work since I was legally able to work but who wants to hire a guy with a GED, almost no schooling, and no job experience. I started looking at colleges and immediately hit a dead end when they asked for test scores and a transcript. my parents sabotaged my future on every level. love you mom, I know you feel bad about it, but yeah, you and dad fucked me.
im sorry. since you got your GED, would you be able to access resources for SAT/ACT prep? like the books you can work through? I know my county library has some old ones, if you have access to something like that
Please look into the trades!!! They’re an amazing option as long as you have a driver’s license, algebra proficiencies, and the physical ability for labor. I’m so sorry you were dealt that hand by your parents, keep fighting for your continued learning!!🫶
Hi, former unschooler here! It isolated me from any friendships I had, made me feel stupid and lesser than my entire teenage life and still to this day, ruined my chances at going to college, never let me learn how to study and take tests, and made it so I have panic attacks when asked basic trivia. Hope this helps!
I'm so sorry for what you've been through!! Please know that it is NEVER too late to learn! As long as we are still alive, we can learn, we can go to college, we can try new careers, whatever you desire. There is no such thing as "too late" when it comes to education. It will be challenging in the beginning, but if you are kind and patient with yourself, you will be amazed at how quickly you grow. Some of the strongest, most inspiring people I know went to college later in life. My dad even went back for a degree in his 60's! He didn't finish, but he enjoyed what he learned and the people he met and the experiences he had along the way. It opened him up to new opportunities he wouldn't have known about before, and he actually started volunteering by traveling around to rural schools, setting up an inflatable planetarium and teaching kids about space! He was able to pass on his passion for science to others and provide a really unique experience that may have broadened their world of possibilities just a little more! Don't sit things out now! You have all your life ahead of you to try out whatever you want. And if one pathway turns out not to be the one you want, you can try another one. We live in an incredible time where information and classes on any topic, at any skill level are available to anyone in the world!!! Whether you use free online courses, whether you take a couple fun-sounding college classes, or whether you find a local community center that offers classes, it's all wonderful. And learning is a great way to meet people and build a community of fellow learners. Sending you love and well wishes on your journeys!!
I can relate, my dad didn’t call it unschooling he just homeschooled us and made do farm work instead. If a parent says they unschool or homeschool their kids and don’t have a specific curriculum and recent updates they talk about, I assume they are abusing their kids. Because that’s what intentional neglect of education is.
The fact that these parents think that other parents with traditionally-schooled kids AREN'T ALSO taking them to the park, zoo, grocery store, teaching them how to cook and giving them chores says everything, I think.
So true. And school can compensate for a lack of that too. School playgrounds, school sports teams, school daytrips to the zoo, giving a child a weekly task to do (for example, at my school, we would wipe down desks after lunch and also we would empty out the recycling bin). Food class is also a thing in highschool, and most kids pack their own lunches. It obviously doesn't supplement the parents participating in their child(ren)'s lives, however those things don't supplement a proper education.
This train of thought is just wild - it's another one of those real social issues that do face many families (no family time due to work-life balance issues, which are often systematic and not due to the individuals being selfish, all though that can be the case sometimes too. Some people just don't have the priorities to be a parent ig). But like, my parents - and most families I've ever known - had two working parents and still took time to travel, even if it was just relatively locally, with their kids to visit places and basically all of them, for the most part, support and encourage their kids' interests. It's a lot of work when the kids are young and at critical points or learning. Homeschooling itself would require the parent to be able to afford or be able to teach basic curriculum topics themselves, and there is a reason teaching is a job and many topics have their own specialized paths for them. Even some of the things people think are useless in everyday life usually serve some purpose, like sparking curiosity or advancing comprehension skills, work on memory or other deeper understanding of how the world works, even if it's not something they can apply in practice.
YES EXACTLY!! This was my biggest point and I feel like not many people point it out! They say these kids get cool real hands on experience and learn about important things. MF why can’t you do that and they ALSO go to school!? Sounds to me like they don’t want to parent their kids tbh
the only way i think this might work is everytime the child asks something, you spend the whole day or even a whole week teaching the related subjects. eg. don't just reply "12" when your child asked what's 7+5... teach them the basics of addition, even subtraction after that!!
There is probably more evidence being proudly, lucratively posted to all the big platforms than the justice system could ever cope with, even if most of it wasn't totally legal. The right's war on education and child welfare is going really well for them.
There's a kind of unintentional poetry in that first unschooling mom teaching her son the story of Chronos, the story of a paranoid and anxious parent killing his kids out of fear that they will one day grow powerful and independent enough to no longer be under his control. If you put that in a script about Unschooling, everyone in the writer's room would roll their eyes.
I would even dare to say that the idea of literally taking their kids' lives when they'd ever rebel against how they're raised and trying to leave home, isn't off the table with these mothers. They probably heard about Medea and can only empathize with how Medea bravely took the lives of her children when she herself was done with life.
Refusing to educate your kids, not allowing any outside influences to ever interact with them, not allowing them to form friendships or social skills outside the home, and physically keeping them inside all day are how you set them up to be abused. This is like… abuser 101. Or cult 101. And given that she’s in an MLM, I think this lady might just want to be in a cult.
It's also how you breed a Christian Army, which people are literally trying to do. I'm ok with religion to a point, and have issues telling parents how to parent, especially being childless, but I feel for kids being brainwashed this way. My parents are far from perfect, but one of the things they did right was not to shelter me, answer hard questions I may have asked, and to teach me that I am not the only important person on the planet, and to look out for your fellow man.
LITERALLY!! And it's a form of abuse, intellectual neglect. Same experience, this is triggering but also therapeutic to like actually hear someone talking about how wack it is. The parents should be educated formally as teachers if they want to teach their kid, like not every adult is automatically built to teach developing minds. That's a whole ass degree.
Unschooler here as well. I've had to pause the video multiple times because WOW is it close to home- So many of those kids are going to be so far behind and won't know why until their world view opens up. While I can't guarantee it, in my personal experience, those "parents" will end up alone and won't know why their kids left them behind I seriously wish them the best. No one deserves to be set back because of someone else's decisions and be left alone, scrambling to catch up
@@datte-ai It was a mix of my parents inability to trust anything about the public school system and my crumbling mental state. My parents thought unschooling would be best so I didn't have any stress when it came to school, but I literally needed the opposite (a lot of structure and therapy). It was incredibly neglectful and abusive, but dual-enrollment through community college saved my life and I wouldn't have graduated high school without the opportunity. I got the last laugh though since I received an associate's degree with a perfect 4.0 gpa and plan to study geography and climate conservation in the future :)
Treating basic parenting like a radical new method of schooling is terrifying not just because they need actual schooling but because do they not know parents should already be doing this? Do they think this is some original amazing idea like “Hey, what if you took your kids places and talked to them throughout the day and answered their questions like they’re a person you want to interact with and teach to be a functional adult”. That’s the bare minimum, babes. You’re supposed to do things with your kids and talk to them about stuff, that’s just interacting with a child. If you aren’t doing that when you’re not recording tiktok’s thats concerning.
I wonder how many of them were homeschooled themselves, radicalized against the idea of school, and insulated by their circumstances from the consequences of their own educational neglect.
"You typically wanna make sure that you pick the lowest price" "Mother, I require knowledge about numbers and relations between them to make such assessments"
And they're just gonna think the lowest number is the correct one instead of learning to choose which one gives them the most value based on the amount of product 😮 yikes
I love the idea of children having inner monologues narrated by intelligent 60 yr olds. “Mother, I am lacking in the proverbial academic “building blocks” to understand such a complex concept as price matching. I crave knowledge, mother”
"The kid decides what they want to learn" hey y'know I literally never would have thought to ask what an atom was before a teacher taught me what atoms were lol
@@azearaazymoto461 do you think thats going to happen Besides, my point was more that you're going to really struggle to ask questions about a premise that you don't know exists and you have no foundation for understanding it
It really depends on what you’re interested in. Some information can be given in response to questions, and other information given voluntarily. When someone, at any age, finds something they’re passionate about, the things they will go much deeper into the topic than a school ever would. At the end of the day, knowing things are made out of atoms is something most people will never use in their lives, outside of school. The standard of “what kids should know” is not an accurate reflection of what is actually beneficial for kids to thrive, both in childhood and adulthood.
i feel like the cruelest part of this is the fact that they're squandering precious years of neuroplasticity for their children. learning to read or write or do basic math later in life is going to be like us learning to do all that in a second language, since their brains will have hardened to a more grown-up state without any of the grown-up lessons already learned... just like how it's way easier for a kid to learn to play piano than an adult, it'll be near impossible and deeply demotivating for older children to achieve the same results at the same rate when learning these basic educational skills.
I’d say it’s even harder than learning a new language, because you don’t have a proper foundation. When you’ve learned these things once it becomes easier the second time around, but learning reading or writing for the first time when you’re older seems incredibly hard.
Oh boy would that be something. People actually facing consequences for creating unfit individuals (which other people will inevitably have to deal with one way or another).
I can’t believe the last mom basically admitted that she just wants complete control over what her child sees 💀 you’re not supposed to say the quiet part out loud Amanda
Most parents are doing ALL of the things with their kids that "unschooling" parents do with their kids, plus their kids are also learning from real school.
And the parents are working AT LEAST 9-5s, bringing their kids to extra-curriculars …. I was hoping some of these kids were at least in a town sports league or something but it doesn’t seem like that’s true 😢
The fact that she couldnt even be bothered to sign a piece of paper shows how much she actually cares about her children. This is really sad and I feel so sorry for the kids
Literally an insane reaction. When I was in grade school my mom had to sign my agenda every day, she didn’t complain and she was much busier than this woman as she worked everyday ( This woman clearly doesn’t work if she can unschool)
@autumnnn1809 Technically, she does have a job, but it's for an MLM that sells ketones. She spends all day on her phone promoting a pyramid scheme. And it barely takes two seconds to sign your name on a piece of paper, you aren't THAT busy.
My mom took me out of school because of bullying, and worked SO hard to homeschool me. Seeing stuff like this pisses me off, knowing how many hours she poured into making sure I wouldn't fall behind my schooled peers.
My experience was similar. I was homeschooled for a few years before going back to public school when I was doing better. My Mom worked so hard to make it good, do extra things like take longer trips and go outside to do with in the yard. It was great, and she had a really good curriculum and plan that she set out and followed to make sure that I was getting a full education.
The reason my mom homeschooled me was partly due to being bullied in a private preschool I once attended. I flat out hated that school. Delt with a literal clique and a teacher who hated my guts lol.
@@sheridannagley7257 I'm pretty sure there aren't "cliques" in preschool, that's just a group of annoying toddlers... the hateful teacher is the real issue there.
My mother unschooled me for 3 years. Almost everything I learned was on my own or from the internet. She lied to the state about my “homeschooling” and faked my grades. I hardly left the house or interacted with anyone that wasn’t family. Didn’t go back to public school until it was literally forced by court to either let me go to an actual school, or put me in a group where I can socialize with people my age. Unschooling, from everything I’ve seen so far, is really just parents trying to control their children completely and cut them off from society. Edit: I wasn’t expecting to get so much attention from this comment. Thank you all so much for your well wishes. I am doing wonderfully now and I’m starting my sophomore year with all honors and an AP class. I’m so sorry to hear that some of you have had similar experiences, I hope you all can thrive in spite of the circumstances you’ve faced.
Well said. I’m so sorry you had to experience that. And so many states still continue to lower the amount of oversight that is supposed to ensure homeschooling meets certain educational standards. Where I live the school attendance laws are lax to the point of being irrelevant.
This actually happened to my manager! He's 25 and can't write very well, and he and barely sign his name. He learned how to read and write and do multiplication when he first applied to the job when he was 16. His parents homeschooled him up to age 10, and then had him work for the family business until he decided he wanted to work and actually keep his own money at 16. He had to learn what a bank account was from the other managers, he didn't know how to drive, and he had virtually no friends. Now he's in charge of the store, got married recently, and he's doing a lot better education wise.
my best friend was 'unschooled' from 7th grade onward, and she hated it so much that during weekends we would hang out and she would BEG me to her show her my homework, tell her what we were learning during class, she would come with me to after school study sessions (which her parents tried to ban her from doing??? my mom literally had to lie about where we were going lmfao). it was all super sad, and she was so, so miserable. all she wanted to do was just get a proper education and her parents were taking that right away from her. 'unschooling' was such a horrible experience for her and i've heard it was for so many others as well. EDIT: because people were asking, my friend is so much happier now! she emancipated herself from her parents when she was 17, now 2 years later we go to university together, and shes studying to become an english teacher! for anyone that has experienced/is experiencing 'unschooling' or unethical homeschooling, my heart goes out to you. its such a horrible experience, and I know that my friend felt so hopeless while being 'unschooled'. hopefully this helped at least someone haha
That sounds horrible! I crave the school environment and knowledge so much that I write literal essays during summer break lol. Do you know if shes able to get an education now or is she still stuck?
She was lucky, I had no friends that weren't online and I only told people the situation when I was 13 and refused to take any help that was offered because it was "weak".
@@billy_werber it is also illegal in Bosnia where I'm from, and I'm guessing by her name she is also from an ex yu country (i might be wrong tho) because the education system is similar
I'm an educator, this whole topic makes me rage. This is educational abuse/neglect. You are asking your child to run the race of life but shooting them in the foot and chaining them to the starting blocks.
Well said. I watched a co-worker really struggle. She paid thousands to take a course, only to drop out the next day. She had zero knowledge of basic biology and couldn’t understand the course material. 😢
Do you think this will back fire on these parents? Ie having their kids mooching off them at 40 and launching our government into action against homeschooling?
ive been "unschooled" for almost 2 years and it is so depressing. neither of my parents help me either so its just googling for worksheets i can try to do everyday since in less than a year i have big tests to take. dont ever unschool your kids its the worst decision you could make.
Exactly. I don’t know why she thinks it’s impossible to teach them how to shop for groceries and do chores after they get home from school??? It works for most everyone else in the world 😅
My high school had a value called expeditionary learning AKA we had normal school BECAUSE OF COURSE but our extra curricular activities were so much broader than just sports and clubs. We had LARPING, gardening, an annual trip to Nicaragua, internships (actually we were required in our junior year) and tons more. In social studies when we were learning about the judicial system we went to DC. In my senior year we made a movie. All seniors got film classes then we travelled to make a documentary. Our science experiments were hands on. We built rockets, things like that. We got a real education, life experiences, and gained social skills. Seems like a pretty rounded curriculum in school, not what this mom calls boring and stifling or whatever. I don’t think I’d know how to be social or be tactful or know how to communicate in the world if I’d done unschooling. So I’m happy I never was. Plus she’s giving homeschoolers a bad name. I was never homeschooled. My parents didn’t think it was a good idea for me, and I get why and I agree with them. But homeschooling isn’t this. This is honestly neglect
@Itscannatella based on her being too busy to take a minute to sign her son’s papers, she probably spent little to no time with her kids and decided the way to do that was to not take time off from her work or hire more employees so she has more free time, but to take away her kid’s education so they’re always available when she’s available, which is very sad to think about. I’m not saying it’s bad she has a career, but she’s might be prioritizing it so much she’s neglecting the rest of the people in her life
Yes! I was only diagnosed with autism in my late 20s and public school was some intense exposition therapy, especially socially-wise. If my parents had taken me out of school as a kid, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be functional. It's not just the knowledge, it's learning how to fit into a society too. I'm glad homeschooling is illegal in my country.
@@greysunshinexxthats my exact fear about all of this man :,| if this is what they're willing to show to the entire world. i can't even imagine what it's like behind doors.
man this sounds like my childhood. i was taken out of school and then shortly after moved houses. so i went from socializing and having friends to completely being isolated and talking to no one but my parents. not only that, they just stopped homeschooling me, from the start they wouldn’t help me with my schoolwork and i figured out if they weren’t there then i didn’t have to do it. and after that they just never bothered. and when i realized that i wanted to learn and have an education i had asked them, they just never did anything about it and i continued to sit around all day at home doing nothing. literally never went anywhere either, not even the grocery store. so not only did i have no education or life experiences, i have no clue how to talk to people and i have horrible anxiety and i feel like im not equal to everyone else that i do happen to meet. because most of the time i can’t relate too or understand the stuff im being told. i understand that there are problems with putting your kids in school and the education system isn’t always the greatest. but i will say if you take your kids out of school and decide to homeschool them or do whatever tf this is that this moms doing, you better do whatever you can to make sure that child has the best chance at life because it is your responsibility. and if you can’t do that or you don’t care enough too, put them in damn school. idk how much this makes sense cause i was rambling but god i cannot stand this sort of stuff.
I love how they’re talking about basic parenting skills as if it’s some crazy new concept. Fostering your child’s curiosity and teaching them basic life skills is the bare minimum.
yeah that's what I was thinking. their idea of teaching is just answering questions their kid has... isn't that just being a good parent? like do they think parents don't interact with their kids if they go to school?? their logic confuses me so much 😭
@@ax6556 literally the bare minimum of existing with a child in your life. Talking to your children in not the same as a comprehensive education like jesus christ
The fact is they think school is only about reading, writing, math, science, and history. Like no, it’s not, it’s also about learning how to socialize with people/other kids
Exactly, good homeschool parents are also teaching those skills and bringing them to sports classes and co-op, etc, not having them do all the housework.
and it teaches you basic responsibility. She complains about doing homework and says that its a waste of time and shouldn't be a thing, but it literally teaches your child the basics of responsibility while having low stakes. those skills are crucial if you ever want your kid to go to college, have a pet, or just be able to function properly. shes really setting them up for failure
I mean, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I'd be a lot more sociak if I hadn't gone to school. Most of my experience with other children in school were getting bullied. I learn social skills better with my cousins.
But also, even if school actually was only about those things, THOSE THINGS ARE SUPER FUCKING IMPORTANT. It's easy to take basic arithmetic, reading, and semi-decent general knowledge for granted when you already have them. When you've spent over ten years in school practising and being exposed to those things, they become second nature to the point that we don't even realise how much we use them. It's only when step foot in like, a rural hospital where people think they can use Mountain Dew douches as birth control or that you can scare away germs by yelling at them that you realise just how necessary an education is in order to be like, even slightly competent on the most basic level at the most pedestrian things.
As a kid who was out in those GT classes. Elementary school was about chess and the Aztec Inca Mayans. No I don't remember anything about them bc it wasn't interesting to me as a 9 yr old but at least we got to build shield and swords out of cardboard and wear sheets as dresses/robes 😂😂. I loved math though in middle school, hated math in highschool. Trig sucks
my partner was "unschooled" by his mom and we're literally still trying to un-do all the damage it did, it impacted so much more than just education but a lot of social aspects and mental health aspects were affected as well
Yeah I was homeschooled since I was pretty young and that shit absolutely WILL affect your mental and emotional health. I barely knew basic math skills and I spent most of my days watching TH-cam instead. I never had any friends and it affected me to this day
Parents need to grow up. They are not in school anymore, it is their kid's turn and because of that immaturity even this have been taken away from kids.
As a non-US citizen I still can’t believe it’s legal to do this. It’s genuinely child abuse to tie your child to yourself and deprive them of participation in society and not teach them skills they’ll need to survive in the world. Genuinely horrifying.
My thoughts exactly. I knew you could homeschool a child for no reason in the U.S., but I would have thought they'd at least make the child take a test every semester to check if this does not have a negative impact on their education.
@@netcat3000 I was home-schooled for middle school, but unlike this "unschooling" stuff, we actually used curriculum books (though there weren't semester tests)
I’m a US citizen and I agree with you. This SHOULD be illegal. Unfortunately these people found a loophole and have tied educational neglect to their right to religious freedom. Well, frankly, if your alleged “religious beliefs” prevent you from wanting your child to have an education, then your religion sucks and should be abolished.
In Sweden you have to go to school until you are 15 and finished 9th grade by law. If you try to homeschool social services will just take the kid away from the abuse.
The part about “not needing socialization” is CRAZYYYYY. These KIDS need to be around KIDS for ample amounts of time so they can learn behavioral and emotional regulation patterns from OTHER KIDS
@@dcoy8666 They don't "teach" it, that one is learned by participating in social activities naturally, all humans do this in all stages of life, though it's just important early on to make the more important ones easier later (Also people tend to need social interaction, period, for mental health, regardless of learning)
They really need to crack down on blatant child abuse and neglect that's farmed on social media for views. The chick with face tattoos needs to lose her kid asap. That poor child.
"I'm teaching my kids the *Important™* things, like thinly veiled threats about what happens to naughty children who dare question their parent's authority" (Kronos was an MLM girlboss confirmed)
@@Ac3-of-pdes allow me to "well, actually🤓☝️" you for a moment. Kronos, technically, was a god. A Titan god, but a god nonetheless. All titans are gods, but not all gods are titans. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
@@Ac3-of-pdes eh, that's kind of splitting hairs. To us mythology-was-our-special-interest kids, we'd call him a primordial deity or titan, but even the Wikipedia page on Greek Primordial Deities defines them as "In Greek and Roman mythology, the primordial deities are the first generation of gods and goddesses." Edit: just looked at the website Theoi (my beloved) and Chronos is described as "the primordial god of time"
The whole thing about her explanation that irks me its that its just plain wrong. Chrono (father of Zeus) was not the same mythological being as Chronos ("god" of time) that came from a mistranslation by the romans, and that just shows how her analogy is not only beyond stupid but completely and historically wrong.
@@SeanCrosserOmg you can be sure these "parents" are already subconsciously blaming their kids for their own shortcomings. And it'll only get worse in the future unless some kind of external witness intervenes on behalf of the kid
@@JesterAzazel states often have educational standards and benchmarks for kids. Some even have testing for homeschool kids so they aren't falling behind on the state's standards. If a kid is not meeting them, it's a definite red flag to the state and CPS may get involved depending on how bad it is and/or they will force the parents to put them in an actual school.
@@wildindigo999What's that even supposed to mean? What did you even intend to say with that statement? That you think they must be dumb because they think children have a right to proper education?
You should check out the John Oliver "Last Week Tonight" episode about homeschooling. Homeschooling is a f*cking nightmare clusterf*ck situation in the US.
I’m a former un-schooleder and it’s pretty much ruined my chance of ever getting into college and fulfilling my dreams. I’ve never even been able to grasp simple maths, and I struggle with spelling. I’ve spent my whole life feeling stupid and inferior to everyone and it’s left me feeling completely inadequate. The fact that these parents can’t see how much they’re ruining their children’s future is absolutely insane. This is abuse.
That video of that woman preaching to the camera, and then shutting up her child when they were about to tell her something really does just sum up this entire “unschooling” thing.
I knew some “unschooled” kids when I was homeschooled. The youngest was 9 and couldn’t read. The oldest at 14 could barely spell. “Unschooling” is just child abuse.
As someone who struggles with social anxiety, my heart breaks for her son. There's no substitute for friendship, and nothing worse than feeling lonely and left out
Yeah, honestly. I guess the reason I wasn't lonely during the period I was homeschooled was that I was being taught alongside my similar-aged brother. And we actually, y'know. Learned things. We were taught lessons and did related math worksheets my mom printed off. We participated in a science fair. And we were still having our natural curiosity harnessed - we learned academic things related to our interests
@@Kwadratura Same here but at least it wasn't forced by my parents. In this situation, the mom thinks that hanging out with her is a good substitute for her son having friends his age
I had mild social anxiety as a kid. Working as a waiter in a restaurant cured that real fast. You should try it. Its like anything else: its sucks real hard at first when you are bad at it then one day it clicks and its not an issue ever again. But, my social anxiety was around adults, not people my age or younger. I had good social skills with other kids, older and younger. So, you know, take that for what it is.
I was “unschooled” for a year by my schizophrenic mother and- surprise, surprise- it was the most traumatic year of my life. I was severely neglected, subjected to worsened psychological, physical, and sexual abuse… and, as far as my “schooling” went, I watched PBS Kids from the time I woke up until around 3pm… No one removes their child from the most enriching environment available to them with pure intentions. Shit should be illegal or else highly regulated.
"No one does it" dude be screened for paranoia shit son, and never smoke weed. Plenty of people homeschool because of the needs of their children and are not abusive and are qualified to teach them basic knowledge. Your situation sucked and is also yours. For real, don't smoke weed ok? Decreases the onset age and increases the severity of schizophrenia
@@TheKairosCollabrative I'm an educator and we definitely need grade level testing and regulations for homeschool students needing to take those tests. If the student is too far below grade level, they need to be placed in remedial classes with a licensed educator. Full stop. Homeschool parents must take educational courses while they are teaching their kids to ensure they are addressing their kids needs. Homeschooling must be regulated because unschooling and bad homeschooling is abusive and neglectful to children.
There is a local forum for my town. One guy posted about how he thought people with disabilities were selfish for wanting access to a local hiking trail. I was one of the people who pushed back and he apparently was so upset that he laid in wait for OVER A YEAR until I next showed up on the forum so he could write me multiple long emails full of personal attacks entirely about my daring to disagree with him a year prior. I looked him up after that and discovered that he and his wife are proud unschoolers. All I could think was that if he couldn’t handle a random neighbor disagreeing with him, I did NOT want to be his kid with absolutely no access to an education that wasn’t 100% in my dad’s control.
I love the idea of a parent homeschooling their kids. As long as they're involved in community activities too of course. Unfortunately most of the people that also love the idea of homeschooling are selfish morons
@@JanYapsThat's just a worse and more risky way to implement schools. Opening up homeschooling empowers abusive parents disproportionately. Any problem you can have with schools can be 10x worse in homeschooling.
I’m sorry, he thought people with disabilities were selfish???? For wanting to exist in and have access to a public space??? You could’ve stopped there with describing his behavior and I’d know enough about what a POS he is to know those kids are doomed.
These parents are like “I don’t want outside ideologies impacting my child! Only I can force my beliefs and ideologies onto my kids! They can only be who I want them to be!”
They are creating losers, i' m afraid. I rather send my child to regular school, where kids learn a lot about how to interact with other people,plus they learn how to read and calculate and other things,to have some future.
It’s gotta be one of the most narcissistic mindsets one can have. You have to be absolutely full of yourself to think you know better than others who have far more experience/education than you do. 🤦🏼
My country Sudan has been going through a war that prevented kids from going to school for 2 years, they lost the right of education. It makes me so mad these entitled women are depriving their kids of one of the most basic human rights just to be "unique" 😢
They're actually just clout chasers that make money from it, and unfortunately people watching that type of content are just giving them what they want.
exactly what i was thinking. i am fortunately in the US and am so sorry your country is struggling so terribly with all of this right now. but i do fully agree with you that the right of education isn’t just a given, it’s a privilege in many places, and even something we had to fight for in america once upon a time, so how dare they take this right away from their own children?
Ikr! The right to be schooled has been fought for accross the world! So weird to squander the gift unless your kid has behavioral or mental issues that make them unable to stand class with people or have special requirements a regular school can't provide...
Fun fact about Jean-Jacques Rousseau, famous french philosopher and inspiration for this unschooling movement, who wrote a huge book about teaching stuff to children : He abandoned all of his kids...
I just looked it up, and yeah! Not only is this true, he kept it a secret from the public and was only brought to light by a rival philosopher who wanted to dig up dirt on Rousseau.
my mom did this to me and my brothers. it's called neglect and it ruined our lives. don't do this to your children PLEASE i can't express how depressed this made us throughout our entire lives. everyone knows so much more than i do because i skipped out on 6 years of school and it's so so frustrating thanks to everyone showing their support and sorry to anyone also going through this, i'd like to personally reply but i'm not too great at that sort of thing so i just wanna let anyone know that has been or in this situation just know that we're going through this together and we can keep on pushing through these hard times 🫂🫂
I feel you hardcore. I had a very similar experience. I am grateful to be out of it now, but the feelings of believing I was unintelligent and that I had no friends because of the way that I am, still linger, even though it was not my fault or choice. It takes a lot of work to undo these things. Sending lots of love ❤️
I just had my brothers over who are in 5th and 6th grade and were pulled from school 3 years ago to “homeschool” (my moms version of unschooling), Gave them a few pages of different topics from a 2nd grade level workbook I used to use… and not only did they have the same barley readable writing but they both struggled with basic questions, the math sheets and following the instructions. But hey they know about sports, how to read a map, and that “every other kid in school is being indoctrinated” ✨ Seeing these comments always makes me worried and wonder what i can do to help them
My kid is autistic and has dyslexia and dyscalculia (basically dyslexia but numbers lol), and she’s done online school since she was like 7. Yesterday she was telling me about how she learned about the iceman of the alps (Oetzi?), and we also went to the grocery store and I showed her how to cook a certain food. It’s almost like you need both and it’s possible to do both and one isn’t a replacement for the other.
Ooo I had pretty bad dyslexia as a child. My mom made me read ALL the time which actually ended up helping me as an adult! Now I both love to read, and can read very well despite still being dyslexic!
As an adult who was unschooled I was completely crippled by my mother's "letting me explore my own interests" which was letting a 10 y/o me have unrestricted unsupervised internet access 24/7 in the early 2010s where I played video games and got groomed by any adult who would give me more than a Buffy episode's worth of attention. If it worked for any of you, I'm glad, but from my experience and what I saw from other kids in our situation, it was just straight-up neglect.
I don't think you're going to hear any success stories unless the parent was an actual accredited teacher. There is no way letting your kids just wander around life is going to prepare them in any meaningful way when literally everyone else learned structure and socialization from before they could spell their own names.
No child should have 24/7 unrestricted internet access. That’s separate from homeschooling (tho goes along with neglect). I was reading all these stories of people who went through grooming yesterday and they all had that in common, unrestricted access…not homeschooling.
My mother had a rule against talking to people more than 2 years older or younger than me and I followed that rule. I was never groomed but I still didn't have a good childhood.
Crazy thing about the grocery store "lesson" is that sophisticated education in math is so helpful in price-to-quantity comparisons. Telling your child, "Typically we go for the cheapest option," doesn't help them learn that bulk items often appear more expensive, but are actually individually cheaper. With the proper schooling, you can even figure out how much cheaper. Not saying you can't necessarily get that from unschooling, but it has to be approached a lot more intentionally than what these parents are doing.
You can learn it from unschooling, but these people aren’t unschooling, they’re just neglecting their kids’ education and trying to make everyday errands out to be “lessons”
I honestly didn't learn this from math class - with which I struggled all throughout for reasons still unclear, since I was otherwise a good student and a fast learner. (And one of the possible reasons may be that the way it was taught just didn't work for me, which is why I empathise with people who need to learn outside of school.) However my mom did teach me that when I accompanied her to the grocery store. It's a little scary that this one lady who made the choice to unschool her children seems to be bad at the specific skills she's aiming to teach them. Like she might legitimately be bad at grocery shopping - or plain ole teaching.
@@jadziajanhave you ever heard of dyscalculia? Could explain why you were struggling with maths and nothing else. Also, at least in my country this sort of stuff gets taught in economics class, not maths
I attended to a Waldorf elementary school and I couldn't tell you how embarrassed I was when I entered a regular middle school and realized that sitting on the floor and singing while the teacher is speaking is not acceptable. I struggled to socialize because my experiences and behavior hardly aligned with the other kids' and several teachers contacted my parents to ask if I had some sort of intellectual disability. I didn't, I was just completely disconnected from societal norms. I can't imagine what these poor kids will go through when they eventually have to step outside and realize how the world actually works
my friend also did waldorf and he had never used microsoft word when coming into high school EVER! like he had never used computers, didn't know how to take notes from a lesson, all this stuff that you need. luckily it didn't hold him back too much in the long run but even that little bit of unpreparedness still did some damage it didn't need to do. i can't even imagine these poor kids growing up not knowing how to do anything for themselves
My little cousin went to a similar type of kindergarten. Once she had to join primary school, she was "late" compared to the other children regarding both basic knowledge and cognitive development. She had a hard time focusing, she lacked some vocabulary, because she was so used to the 'no rules" thing that was going on there... her parents paid money for this too, that's crazy.
@@manonpavllptdr the saddest thing is falling behind in early education has serious ripple effects on the rest of your education. Even if they catch up to their peers in the short-term, that damage to their confidence can make them feel like they're naturally unintelligent, which makes it incredibly more difficult to challenge themselves academically if they believe they're not capable of getting good grades, taking AP classes, going to college, etc. The importance of early childhood education is so incredibly undervalued and underfunded in the US.
I was unschooled and it was horrible. I was lonely all the time and never learned anything until I became a teenager and had independent Internet access. Now I'm 20 and I'm working on getting my GED. Thank you for making this video, this all existed way before TikTok did.
I’m sorry your educational development was screwed up like that, but congrats on working hard to fix that! I wish you good luck when you take the GED test
hey there, I'm sorry to hear that, but I hope you can make it up and even if get interested in sciences you can get a grasp on it, it is just hard to search for information, and in my case the quarentine back in 2020-2021 pretty much unschooled me and I had a bad time with mathematics back on 2022, but now I'm doing a major on aeronautics engineering, and I'm slowly even still recovering but going on it, I know your case is more severe but yet, everyone has different types of intelligence, and everyone can learn, I believe in you.
Me as well:( it is cathartic and also sad watching videos like this, I feel so bad for the children that are going through this right now… I am starting to work through in therapy the negative impact that it has had on my self image, social ability and education. I was so lonely. Kids can’t be the leaders of their education by asking questions when they don’t even know what they don’t know. It’s still hard to even think of where to start.
Here in Italy you can homeschool kids, but at the end of each year they have to pass an exam that certifies they reached a certain level of education(the same they should reach at public school). I think that solves a lot of problems
That also exists in the US. My guess is these parents are either committing some kind of truancy (especially if they’re living the van life). Or they’re enrolled in a private “unschool” on paper. Because they’re a legally a private school, depending on where they are, they’re can be exempt from standardized testing.
Yeah this exists in the USA. Unschooling isn't really allowed, people have just found some ways to cheat the system. In California people will sign their kids up for charter schools that allow you to homeschool but you must still work through all of the curriculum. Kids have to meet with an Education Specialist several times a year to prove that they're doing the work. They present assignments they worked on, have to show what resource they're using to take that class (textbook, an online class, in person class through an approved vendor, etc). They also have to do state testing once a year. Unfortunately parents just find a way to falsify it. I've known kids who's parents would sign them up for an online class but just do the work for them and present that to the ES, or buy textbooks and do 2-3 assignments from it and present that, then of course tell the kid what to say about it. Parents can find ways to help students cheat on the state testing too, or get exempt from it usually in a dishonest way as well. Regulations are being tightened here to prevent it but its difficult.
@@stempki The exemptions are more individual. Like, they could (probably) submit a document saying it's against their religion or something to go to school. It's how kids get into schools without vaccinations.
That's how it is in the US (I think 4 is optional but 5 is mandatory in most states, excluding homeschooling). In first grade we would read and write basic short stories, so for her kid to only be able to write or possibly even just mimic single words is crazy. In truth I'm pretty sure this is actually illegal, as even when it comes to homeschooling there are state mandated tests and ciriculums the kid needs to learn, it's not like the parents can just teach their kid whatever they want.
Had a friend who was unschooled she was 14 and she would genuinely cry over her future she reached out to her friends to teach her basic math (including me) which was honestly so scary for me
How is this even legal? There‘s a reason school is obligatory up to a certain age in pretty much every country. Even if you allow homeschooling (which imho is a very bad idea bar extreme exceptions, like pro athletes etc.) there should still be standardized testing and if you fail that, you lose home schooling privileges (because yes, that is a privilege).
Technically unschooling is illegal in most states, even ones with very lenient homeschooling requirements. Most every state requires some sort of curriculum to be used in book form and many state even require homeschooled students to take part in state testing. I'm a homeschooling mom and I've unfortunately seen unschooling and it's such a sad situation where often times you have lazy parents who dont want to teach their kids anything at all and their children cant even interact with their peers because of how far behind they are and it can greatly affect their social skills.
@@asarishepard8171 More like they want "dumb kids" so that they will have to depend on their parents for everything, so that the parents can keep patting themselves on the back over how "important they are in their childrens lives" while being in total control over them. _(think mother gothel and Rapunzel situation but biological child instead of kidnappee)_
One of the wonderful things I learned by going to public school was that not everyone comes from a abusive home and doesn’t hate going home, I’m really glad I got to see that other kids loved going home and their parents cared. It showed me a bigger picture of the world and I met other kids parents that I modeled my adult life after ❤
Reading this comment broke my heart because I relate to this so much. I was thankfully not physically or sexually abused growing up, but I was emotionally/verbally abused by my father and his family (primarily his mother and cousin) from a very young age. I remember being confused as to why it seemed like 3 of my close family members didn't like me, and I didn't really like being around them. Going to school helped me see what a normal grandmother/granddaughter relationship looked like and what a normal father/daughter relationship looked like, one full of love and support, not heartache, fear, discomfort, and confusion. Going to school also helped me find people to confide in and it gave me a sense of temporary peace and happiness that I couldn't find at home. Yeah, school (specifically public school) can be shit, but for a lot of people, it's a much better option than being home all day.
Pro tip: Don't take life advice from someone with face tattoos. Also, I question if this "unschooling" is even legal. Pretty sure kids are required to be enrolled in some sort of legitimate education in the US. And on top of that, what she's talking about as far as responding to your kids questions is normally called... _checks notes_ ...parenting. Yes, it's that thing you're supposed to do with your kids *in addition* to, not instead of, actual school.
@@myopinion69420literally, cause that makes no sense. Honestly just sounds like she wanted to make a big deal on social media for attention..and now that she’s got it she’s going to try to “teach” her child and post all about it for more attention💀
yes. Isolating them socially is also child abuse. Limiting their experience with the world to only you and what you decide is a very strong recipe for unhealthy attachment and very sheltered kids. This unschooling shit is so vile to me. Such a narcissistic and damaging method of parenting
Yes it is. And these parents will never see the truth of it, because they somehow believe that, even if they didn't have an education that they deemed of quality, they themselves are magically capable of giving it to their kids. Though tbh the overwhelming majority of people have this mindset, from what I have witnessed. Parents and parents-to-be
My mother took me and only me out of school at age 12. She lied to the state, fabricated "report cards" and collected disability checks on my anxiety. I was in charge of cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, (get a ride from someone and completely in charge of the EBT card.) Taking care of my siblings as well. I struggled for a really long time with feelings of insecurity socially and academically. I went right into my first job at 16 as a housekeeper, and worked myself into complete burnout by the age of 22. My mother completely failed me, and pulling me out of school was just the start of that. I did get my GED at 21 though and have therapy every week to slowly build myself into a real person.
congrats on getting your GED and therapy!!! i cannot imagine how hard that’d be, let alone experiencing that as a child. i hope you can live your life to the fullest :-)
@@Evie_Marie you went through what is called Parentification. I don't know if you have heard of that, but looking it up might help you in your healing journey. Much love and healing to you!
@@feliciascorner9795 Thank you for mentioning that, I've been very aware of my own inner workings as well as my family members' mental struggles. I can understand why, how, and when things occurred due to certain substances, people, illness, or events. (As well as suspected undiagnosed disorders.) But had been struggling to find the right therapist to help process them properly. Only took 12 therapists and 8 years, but it's finally working out!
Former homeschooler here and current religion teacher. Just wanted to add my two cents that Chronos and Cronus are two separate deities that often get confused. So the one that ate his children was not originally the god of time, and chronological order has nothing to do with eating one’s offspring,
Thanks, I never knew this! I assume they were conflated, much like the Roman gods of wealth and the underworld? (one was called Pluto, the other something else but similar). By the way, of Cronus and Chronos, which is the one often spelt Kronos?
@@insertnamehere9718 Kronos (child-eater one) is here spelled Cronos. I’ve never seen it spelled with a C before, but I don’t know Greek or Latin, so 🤷
I went to a Montessori school until highschool. They taught us about apartheid by making us "replicate it". Me and four other people were the only ones allowed chairs and were given snacks while our friends had to sit in silence on the ground. One of my friends cried. 10/10 some of my best childhood memories are from that school.
Or a Charter school, where the class structured but not as rushed, typically more variety of electives that allow for more interest/career options. Student bodies are generally small and more interconnected, so people tend to form deeper connections (based on anecdotal experience, at least), in part because the risk of bullies, etc. is much smaller when the potential bullies are far smaller in scale, making them easier to weed out/deal with. It's essentially similar to a highschool without the most major flaws, imo.
I was "unschooled" from ages 7-12, and I just want to share my experience: -both my parents worked full time, so I was alone all day -I didn't know how to cook -I constantly thought I was stupid for not being in school, and I felt inferior to my peers -I didn't see anyone my age for about 5 years -I did not learn anything -It's something I still am actively discussing with multiple therapists and caused a lot of trauma for me and my sibling
Feeling stupid for not knowing things you were SUPPOSED to be taught is very real, I’m sorry you relate too. Thankfully it’s not impossible to get back on track, it just takes a long, long while
I was homeschooled for religious reasons until I was a teenager and I relate so hard to the struggles of figuring out how to socialize when everyone else your age has years of practice. But I at least learned quite a bit of math, reading, history, science (almost). I feel so bad for these kids who aren't even getting that.
This is honestly so scary. This is usually how manipulative and abusive households control their kids. The kids will have absolutely no one else to rely on besides their guardian and if they ever need space or just help from an outsider they won't even know where to start. They will be solely reliant on whatever the caretaker says even tho the caretaker isn't educated themselves. I hate when people try and play God to their kids. I also feel the same way about religious private schools.
Yeah. The second mom especially scared the shit out of me saying that there’s nobody else her children need to socialize with but her. I can’t even begin to comprehend how much more dysfunctional I would be if my parents did this. I might not have even had the will to live.
In my country taking your child out of school is literally punishable by law until they either are 18 y/o or graduate 😅 I'm honestly shocked these parents can do this "unschooling" nonsense publicly without consequences 💀
20 years ago, I used to work in my high school's Student Services office where the Dean and all the counselors were. One of our responsibilities was getting kids coming into 9th grade from previously being homeschooled evaluated to make sure they could understand and keep up with a high school curriculum. Without one. single. exception. none of the homeschooled kids could satisfactorily pass 5th grade testing. I recognize that some diligent homeschoolers exist somewhere, but my life experience made it abundantly clear that 99%+ of the homeschooled population is just taken out of school and then completely ignored by their parents. It is one of the most insidious forms of child abuse I know.
Agreed, I only know a single person that had an actually good homeschool experience while all the others were dramatically behind, and thats as someone who felt behind their peers already
Thankfully my mom took education seriously.. albeit it was a heavily one sided in many ways ( she was and still is fundamentalist, Christian and conservative so my schooling was heavily saturated with religion etc) but in other ways she took the guidelines seriously.. she also had us tested regularly and my brother and I consistently tested post high school in all categories .. at 16 I started dual enrollment and started college classes where I could get college credit and high school credit for my classes. I graduated high school having completed my first year of nursing school pre reqs. I went on to get my BSN with a 3.8 GPA and am now an ICU nurse. My brother ended up going to USMMA and is in the maritime industry .. both my brother and I had no issues transitioning to college /class rooms etc. so despite how heavily religion was emphasized I think my mom did a good job and made sure we were meeting the state guidelines . It also helped my mom has two college degrees and was a 4.0 student her entire academic career 😅.. the woman to this day can still do calculus and physics problems 😅 .. I have since expanded my horizons and have moved past and unlearned many those fundamentalist aspects of my education so there’s that too
Me and my siblings were homeschooled, but not fully. I was homeschooled till third grade and my siblings home schooled till high school. I think in many ways it really helped us find our individuality, but I am so glad we all ended up going to public school. We basically had two or three friends before and they were all homeschooled. And while I wasn’t worried about cliches and school drama (my mom diligently taught us well), my other siblings struggled fitting in once they got put in public school. Not to mention, I genuinely did not know racism or other issues existed. I was like.. wait, atheists are a thing? The sheltered mindset can really cripple individuals to diversity and issues. People would do hurtful things and I genuinely had no idea to react but to tattle on them. I had never dealt with cruel kids or kids raised differently than me, meaning my opinions and feelings were not rooted. It took a while for me to find my identity. I really like the idea of kids being homeschooled for a few years, but I really think public school is important.
I've never read a TH-cam comment so close to my own experiences. I was also homeschooled all the way through high school, tested regularly (at 9 years old I tested into a 12th grade reading level), started dual-enrollment at community college, and my parents were both well educated (3 bachelor's degrees between them), and went to nursing school! I'm now a slightly burnt out adult, but I know how to budget, fix my own car, can cook to feed an army, do my own taxes, and pay my bills just fine. I'm incredibly grateful for *most* of the experiences I had in high school for getting me to this point.
As a teacher this genuinely hurts my soul. It baffles me that the mom believes that her child doesn’t need socialization with other children. Parents like her don’t understand how much children learn from each other.
I disagree. I think she understands exactly how much people learn from each other but that scares her and threatens her. Her entire world view is based in willful ignorance
And often that learning is learning what not to do. Like bullying is a horrible thing for kids to go through but that’s exactly what teaches you why you need to be kind and stand up for others.
I didn't talk to other kids in a friendly way or had real friends until late highschool because I was a bully target with the same kids my entire education, and it shows. I'm surprised my first real friendships lasted so long, when I barely knew what friends even were or how to nurture them.
I was unschooled for a year as a kid while my mom looked for an alternative to public school, and while it was a great opportunity to heal from the trauma that situation caused (gotta love autism), it could not give me the education I needed to develop into a functioning adult. In my opinion, Unschooling is best used as a temporary substitute for public school while you find something else that works for your kid. And it only works as education if that kid already has experience with academic settings, because how can you engage your natural curiosity if you can't even articulate your questions? I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for those younger kids.
These parents are narcissists, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with education and everything to do with keeping as much control as possible over their kids lives.
hit the nail on the head, i feel so bad for these kids and wish them the best of luck when they eventually escape from their abuser (or abusers/people complicit, not ever gonna look this bitch up and see if she's with someone). narcissistic parents ruin lives.
It's crazy the extent some narcissistic parents will go to not lose control over their kids. Some of them are hysterical, yelling their heads off over minor things, threatening to call the cops, having meltdowns that get increasingly worse until they get what they want, etc. Some won't even let their kids have autonomy over their lives as adults. It's insane.
I agree entirely! They know it’s detrimental to their children and either don’t care or are actively benefiting off of it! When they’re gone and not there to hold their hand, who cares what happens to them right?
It's like someone combined student centered learning, informal learning, and homeschooling. Student centered learning and, in some contexts informal learning, can be great, but this is garbage.
>Too busy shilling a MLM scheme to check kid's homework. >Take them out if the school to be the sole person responsible for their education. 10/10 logic.
Yk, this is the evil twin of exploratory learning... Learn about what interest them, but also make it envelop all developmental domains. If your kids like hey I like pirates. You can make a pirate board game and you can learn about the history of pirates and you can learn about sea creatures and density and read books about pirates and watch a pirate documentary and play a game where you "count your booty" and and and... Exploratory learning is amazing to teach kids to love to learn. But you still gotta plan to teach them math within the context of pirates because they like pirates.
And you can do this with literally any topic, I've done it on space and brown bears and superheroes and mythical creatures and so many more topics. Kids will show a natural inclination for certain topics so take advantage of that, but you can also include things like math in that I can sit with a kid and play a pirate board game that is math focused for an hour and a half. I will provide books about pirates and watch a 2 and 1/2-year-old sit and look at books for an hour. (I'm a nanny on a pirate unit) I'll make a science experiment that looks like a little treasure chests and on the inside there's gold and they have to figure out how they can break open the treasure chest. I'll make writing and drawing practice sheets that have custom pirate words with different letters and pictures like p is for pirate and parrot and then they have to come up with another word that starts with p.
There are a lot of reasons that I want to homeschool because I do have a degree in child development and I also am worried about the insanity going on in public schools, but I also want them to be able to explore different opinions and viewpoints and I am still one person. Even if I am a fairly intelligent and open-minded person, I'm still one person and the saying is two minds are greater than one for a reason. I haven't fully decided what I will be doing with my children , but I have no intention of brainwashing them with my ideals.
@@Mia-iu2by My understanding is a lot of the insanity with public schools is driven by people who want to privatize them, like crunchy moms (who almost always homeschool their kids) showing up to school board meetings demanding that sunscreen and bug spray be kept behind a dozen consent forms and doctors' notes and locked up in the nurse's office. And since they have astroturfed groups like "Moms for Liberty" behind them financed by the Heritage Foundation, those school boards do what they want
Agree actually I agree also with her she doesn’t need to teach him, she should be cultivating this interest he has taken in writing. Sorta sad she expects him to pick it up on his own. Even learning a trade takes someone wanting to learn it then someone helping them as they apprentice
I liked the car cleaning one. "I'm teaching my kids to take care of the things you love. So instead of me taking care of them, they're taking care of my beloved car."
Well, to be totally fair my dumb ass didn't realize that anything nice in life that you get comes with chores. You either do them yourself or pay someone else to do them but the reality is the same: chores. Want a pool? Chores or a cleaning service or an HOA to provide a community pool, for example. Want a rice burner zoom zoom or some other small dick car? Gotta take care of it. High performance machines require regular tuning or you destroy them. Want a boat? Don't get a boat, just rent one a few times a year. Not worth the effort. Uhhh, yeah, 3 examples is good enough. My dumb ass learned the lesson as it applies to friends: in order to have good friends you have to be a good friend and being a good friend is basically chores: you have to maintain the relationships. I just took way too long to realize it applied to "things" as well. And now I have lots of chores I didn't intend to sign up for, lol.
My mom decided to “unschool” me and my siblings (there’s 10 of us) and from my experience it’s literally child neglect. Educational neglect has affected my adult life in countless ways. Please please please if you have kids give them the chance to start at the same place as other kids.
I wouldn't blame your mom. It sounds like she was abused as a kid, trapped in a marriage and then forced to be pregnant for like 12 years straight. Blame the men in your life for both of your situations.
@@mashadarii wow, that’s a lot of words about a story you know nothing about. Maybe use all that energy on your own relationships instead of projecting on mine lol
Imo having that many children in the first place is already neglect, because there is no way anyone can sufficiently keep up with both the physical and emotional need of 10 children (and probably your dad too, if you're raised in a traditional family). But to then choose to unschool on top of that?? I'm so sorry for what happened to you and your siblings, I hope you're okay now.
Kids don't know what they don't know and if you want "unschooling" to work you need to put information and learning opportunities in front of them. You can make learning fun and play into their interests but that is not what is going on in any of these stories
Another way it sucks is that kid-led, inquiry-based learning IS a good thing and a lot of education programs would benefit from adding it a bit. It just can’t be the *only* thing.
Yes! My school is working on implementing some of these ideas, and while it’s a little rough right now, I genuinely enjoy it! Ppl who do this, however, are insane. You can’t put all the responsibility on a child to learn things they don’t even know exist
My district has implemented it and while it doesn't seem like a bad idea on paper, it's not well executed at all. I have a friend who is a second grade teacher and she has to teach them to write... A skill they should already have by then. And many aren't able to sit for the entire class bc they've never been made to sit until then. I do think it can be done properly, but you need strict guidelines on how to execute it so kids still learn :///
Exactly, and providing kids with a baseline of knowledge actually increases the amount of questions they can ask. I see it often while tutoring, kids will naturally ask questions about the material or relate aspects of it to their own life, (and ill ofc try to expand on that a little if i have the knowledge). I expect its even more common with materials they are good at/more interested in (so they don't need tutoring)
what many people either fail to understand or don't care about is that learning the foundational skills of virtually any task is not fun or interesting but you to do it to function in society. Like, learning the absolute basics of how to do math isn't necessarily fun but you definitely need to know how to do fucking arithmetic.
My 5th grade teacher believed in something similar to this. And I guess it was maybe some sort of advanced class, I dunno. But she would have lecture time a couple times a day to go over required material but she had a list of all the school work that needed to be done in a school day written on the board and it was up to you when/how you got it done. Was rad. I got so much more time to read books as I wasn't being slowed down by the other kids in class I could tear through the school work, get my homework done at school, then read my books. The next best similar situation was getting detention for beating up the kids bullying my friend. I could get the whole school day's worth of work done in about an hour and a half. Made the transition to University so much easier, lol.
That one woman that said she's putting her kids in any and every sport because now they'll have the time for it...did she forget that kids' sports are during after school hours and the weekends?
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She's not even explaining Greek Mythology right, Kronos swallowed all of his children not just his sons
Literally what I was sitting here thinking 😂
Plus that story about Kronos is not why we say "chronological" it's just because he's the titan of time, pretty much every other story about him makes that clearer
She also got it wrong on why Kronos eats his children. He wasn't afraid of losing his "kingdom", he had killed his own father and feared that one day one of his children might do the same.
@@Spike2276 i don't think you get to stay in charge after you're dead, typically
@@Sandmann629 Yes, but that's not the point of the myth. It's not Kronos' desire to remain as the leader among the titans which leads him to eat his children, to say otherwise is to lose all meaning in the telling of the story. That would be like saying that Aragorn fights in Lord of the Rings because he wants to be king of Gondor.
So unschooling is pretty much child neglect but with internet validation.
With how these parents are doing it? Yeah. They're just neglecting their child and calling it unschooling for clout.
At its core? No. Unschooling was coined by educator John Holt who took inspiration from Ivan Illich, a philosopher who coined the term deschooling as criticism of the concept of institutionalized education. These people have absolutely zero care or understanding of what they're doing, they're just doing it for attention because it's trendy. They're terrible people with or without unschooling who would have neglected their child anyway. Grifters.
Couldn’t have put it better. This just smells like a bunch of parents who don’t really want to parent
Correct. Hot take... someone should call CPS on these ladies. Because this is not okay. In fact, this is *very* not okay.
It’s all the negative stereotypes about homeschooling packed into the girl who bullied you in high school
spoiled americans have lost their minds lmao
Unschooling is a fitting name, considering it’s just home schooling but you take the the schooling out. So the kids are just home. Doing chores and learning nothing.
Being the servants of the house while the parents spend all day filming themselves about how great of parents they are
Children should be seen and not heard...or read...or kept safe or not used for financial gain.
actually insane shit tbh. i was home-schooled for 2nd and 3rd grade and ended up being two years ahead of my peers when i went back to mainstream schooling 😭😭 we had a mix of a proper curriculum with work out of books and hands-on learning. we went to a lot of group activities for other home-schooled kids and it was great for my neurodivergent baby brain to be outdoors more and surrounded by other weird kids like me as opposed to being shouted at by teachers and bullied by my classmates. my parents are also both very smart and i've always been a curious individual by nature so i would always be asking questions and reading like 5 books a week
I was homeschooled and met unschoolers. Most of the time they didn't even do chores. They grew up playing videogames and being on social media 100% of their days. They had emotional, mental, and behavioral issues. It is just an excuse for lazy mothers
@@michellechair yep! I was in college level literature at 12 and learned pre-algebra, algebra 1&2, and some geometry all in one year, and I can read Latin. I'm so glad I was homeschooled K-12 😂
Hi, I was unschooled.
I genuinely didn't expect to ever see a TH-camr I watch cover the subject, but it really makes me happy to see some light shed on it.
I was in an unschooled setting until 9th grade when all my siblings were set to school as part of an agreement in a court case (very long story) I'm now in my senior year of Highschool and it's been a culture shock to say the least.
As an unschooler, I never learned most math concepts. Most of what I did was read and then explain those stories back to my mom. Grocery shopping really was a school lesson sometimes as was playing outside (sometimes for hours because I wasn't allowed back in the house). Some days we would just go to the park and hang out. There was no structure, no plan, no way to explain any of this as credits when I finally did go to a real school. I was cut off from the world, no internet access, no relationships aside from my siblings and my parents.
Unschooling isn't an alternative schooling method, it's abuse. I was just lucky enough to be pulled out of it before reaching adulthood.
It's not a new thing either and it's not entirely a rare unicorn of a concept.
Thank you very much for talking about this and for making me laugh along the way. I know you'll never see this comment, but I hope that by putting it into the universe, it'll reach you anyway.
This 100% sounds like abuse. I'm betting you had no idea what the terminology of "Unschooling" was until recently because you most likely spent most of your childhood thinking it was normal. This sounds so scary, and I'm glad you've escaped that situation. Hope all is going better for you.
@@lovelysophxox Yes, it was actually this video that made me really realize that unschooling is the word for my "education".
I had always been told it was homeschooling and I just assumed that all homeschooling was like that. It wasn't until I actually went to high-school that I learned homeschooling wasn't the right word for it. So for a while I just referred to it as homeschooling but bad. This Chad Chad video was the first time I've heard of it as unschooling and watching the video I was like "oh, that's what I did"
I knew other unschooled kids from a group meet-up thing my family did for like a year. But we were all under the impression this was just how homeschooling worked.
I'm in a better situation now and on my way to graduating high-school this year. Hopefully more awareness and videos like this will stop parents from thinking this is a good form of education.
@@rebmit4176this is so evil,i cant possibly fathom how anyone could look at this and be like "mmmhhhh yeah lets just not teach him math or anything he would need to be good in highschool"
All the best with your senior year! Wishing you many learning opportunities ahead❤
Please someone safe these poor kids from that narcissistic moms. Even the word „unschool“ 🙄 someone desperately wants to be special here
Every day my son reads clock hands wrong, I take a bite out of him because that's just the nature of chronological time
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Does he taste good though? And do you deep fry him or eat him raw? Any seasoning involved?
Just an FYI this could be a sign of dyslexia. If it's not just a joke you may want to look into it a bit.
This is such an underrated joke
it's a cog eat cog world 😢
They're trying so hard to justify their laziness and child neglect, it's scary
This. This exactly. I was properly homeschooled and it was insanely difficult and required a ton of organization and self discipline. If you’re having a great “all fun no work everything gets learned naturally” experience, you’re doing lots of things way wrong….
I loved being homeschooled. I did very well at university and did indeed have a great social life. Planning to do it with our son. But I’m well aware of how much is required of parents to make it successful and not just a weird “babysitting” experience
@@MarieReederPianist I'm so glad you had such a positive experience but as you said, it was still very hard work, which you and your parents can be really proud of. I'm from Germany, homeschooling isn't allowed here as our system is different but I would have loved that bcs the regular school system isn't nice on neurodivergent people like myself. But isn't it crazy that parents have the full autonomy on deciding what their kids are allowed to learn and what not? How are they going to be able to make a living for themselves once they're older without any form of education? That is just beyond me
Fr just say you’re too bothered to raise a child
These people need to be prosecuted for child neglect. Their children are going to be a burden on society, and are going to despise their parents later in life.
They sure are lazy, this is just an excuse not to do anything. I didn't like the school curriculum and how my kids were treated but I want them to learn more than what the schools teaching that's my problem and I'm fixing it. This is disgusting
“unschooling” sounds like a nightmare for kids when they try to get into college
I've seen Facebook posts about 12 year olds being unable to read due to this unschooling foolishness and I feel so bad for any of these kids no matter what job they want in the future. It is such a handicap to not be able to read at an 8th grade level and do basic math as an adult
If they even make it that far or even have the desire after having dumpster fires like that for parents.
Bold of you to assume their parents would even let them consider going to college
Who needs college when you have being groomed into becoming a tiktok microcelebrity and taking over your parents' dropshipping business
Reality: they will never be in college. They may not even be able to work as receptionists. You know how like 2-3% of the US population is illiterate? Yeah, these are those people. They're ruined, handicapped, for life. Once the time passes you can't learn that shit.
My eye legitimately started twitching about 15s into the definition of "unschooling" like YES please follow your child's innate curiosity but under no circumstances should that be the only driving force in deciding what they learn
Frfr 😮
I feel like our education system doesn't even need a radical change. If they could introduce a bit more intuition and application into the subjects, it would help tremendously. Learning logarithms seems completely arbitrary and have no real world connection at all. For that trig equation a2+b2=c2, all they have to do is cut out the respective squares and show how the little squares fit into the big square, then it would be much more intuitive than making it another formula to be memorized.
I feel like this is just a bad version of the Montessori method, where children interact with their learning environment and get hands-on with their lessons. Children are in charge of their lessons, BUT the adult can still help them if they need any. Their education takes place in both the inside and outside world, and as well as academic subjects such as math and science, but can also learn more creative subjects such as art and music. Montessori has a curriculum, but it’s loose and can adjust to the children’s individual needs. Unschooling has no curriculum and even though it can adjust to the child, it often doesn’t because of the way the parents don’t really care about the child and don’t place them first, but only for their benefit to create a “mini-me,” because they want their kid to prioritize them and to think just like them.
You're lucky. My eyes started to tiktok 😢
Unschooling ,as an ideology, seems like a bad excuse for child neglect.
Seriously though, all of these children need to contact CPS.
They won’t be able to dial a phone tho
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Sorry, they don't learn about acronyms until 15
In my experience CPS wouldn't do anything even with possible SA.
I mean there are def sane versions of the "let the child explore their own interests" idea. I know it's a big part of the Montessori and Waldorf teaching methodologies. Any real school would still have some kind of set curriculum though, and they'd still force kids to learn at least the basics of stuff they're not interested in
The kid is going to be the: "My name is Jared, I'm 19 and I never learned how to fucking read"☠️
just thought about this, lol
Applying for a job and his CV just says ‘乇 ᎶᎶ’
I miss vine so much
@@RoxanneLaWinSTABBY how did u write ‘乇 ᎶᎶ’ (i just copy pasted you)
@@RoxanneLaWinSTABBYLMAOOOO I LOVE YOU
As a preschool teacher, that’s typical development for a 4 year old, not a 6 year old.
I was just thinking this… my daughter just turned 4 and is now attempting to write her name without me teaching her much… this is so sad!!!
this!! i see these types of developmental milestones in my pre-school class's 3-4 year olds who are just starting to explore language and writing, not 6 year olds. it's really sad to see :/
It's not extraordinary that a six year old writes this way. Her mother was correct.
Yeah I grew up unschooled and wrote that way until I was like 13 until I realized everyone my age could read and write while it took me like an hour to read a page from a book.
The kid should be writing simple words from memory or sounding out words
I was "unschooled" which means my dad got drunk and passed out on the couch while I read textbooks and peer reviewed journal in the next room because I wanted to learn and nobody else was going to teach me. I turned 18 and I was legally free but financial freedom seems all but impossible. I still live with my mom and I have been looking for work since I was legally able to work but who wants to hire a guy with a GED, almost no schooling, and no job experience. I started looking at colleges and immediately hit a dead end when they asked for test scores and a transcript. my parents sabotaged my future on every level. love you mom, I know you feel bad about it, but yeah, you and dad fucked me.
That’s tough buddy… good luck on getting a proper house..
im sorry. since you got your GED, would you be able to access resources for SAT/ACT prep? like the books you can work through? I know my county library has some old ones, if you have access to something like that
Keep fighting for your education with everything you have man. You deserve it more than most
Don't give up dude, you got this. Some trade schools or community colleges will let you enroll if you have a GED.
Please look into the trades!!! They’re an amazing option as long as you have a driver’s license, algebra proficiencies, and the physical ability for labor. I’m so sorry you were dealt that hand by your parents, keep fighting for your continued learning!!🫶
Hi, former unschooler here! It isolated me from any friendships I had, made me feel stupid and lesser than my entire teenage life and still to this day, ruined my chances at going to college, never let me learn how to study and take tests, and made it so I have panic attacks when asked basic trivia. Hope this helps!
I'm so sorry for what you've been through!! Please know that it is NEVER too late to learn! As long as we are still alive, we can learn, we can go to college, we can try new careers, whatever you desire. There is no such thing as "too late" when it comes to education. It will be challenging in the beginning, but if you are kind and patient with yourself, you will be amazed at how quickly you grow. Some of the strongest, most inspiring people I know went to college later in life. My dad even went back for a degree in his 60's! He didn't finish, but he enjoyed what he learned and the people he met and the experiences he had along the way. It opened him up to new opportunities he wouldn't have known about before, and he actually started volunteering by traveling around to rural schools, setting up an inflatable planetarium and teaching kids about space! He was able to pass on his passion for science to others and provide a really unique experience that may have broadened their world of possibilities just a little more!
Don't sit things out now! You have all your life ahead of you to try out whatever you want. And if one pathway turns out not to be the one you want, you can try another one. We live in an incredible time where information and classes on any topic, at any skill level are available to anyone in the world!!! Whether you use free online courses, whether you take a couple fun-sounding college classes, or whether you find a local community center that offers classes, it's all wonderful. And learning is a great way to meet people and build a community of fellow learners. Sending you love and well wishes on your journeys!!
Please look into community college in your county, many of which will offer intensive support for folks in situations like yours!
I can relate, my dad didn’t call it unschooling he just homeschooled us and made do farm work instead. If a parent says they unschool or homeschool their kids and don’t have a specific curriculum and recent updates they talk about, I assume they are abusing their kids. Because that’s what intentional neglect of education is.
Also a former unschooler! It genuinely f*cked me up for life. I also do not know how to study and i'm behind everyone because of it 😭
@@booobieI recommend you to study with a friend it will help you a lot
The fact that these parents think that other parents with traditionally-schooled kids AREN'T ALSO taking them to the park, zoo, grocery store, teaching them how to cook and giving them chores says everything, I think.
So true. And school can compensate for a lack of that too. School playgrounds, school sports teams, school daytrips to the zoo, giving a child a weekly task to do (for example, at my school, we would wipe down desks after lunch and also we would empty out the recycling bin). Food class is also a thing in highschool, and most kids pack their own lunches. It obviously doesn't supplement the parents participating in their child(ren)'s lives, however those things don't supplement a proper education.
fr! these are all things the kids should learn outside of school…
@@jaden_skywalker yeah
This train of thought is just wild - it's another one of those real social issues that do face many families (no family time due to work-life balance issues, which are often systematic and not due to the individuals being selfish, all though that can be the case sometimes too. Some people just don't have the priorities to be a parent ig). But like, my parents - and most families I've ever known - had two working parents and still took time to travel, even if it was just relatively locally, with their kids to visit places and basically all of them, for the most part, support and encourage their kids' interests.
It's a lot of work when the kids are young and at critical points or learning. Homeschooling itself would require the parent to be able to afford or be able to teach basic curriculum topics themselves, and there is a reason teaching is a job and many topics have their own specialized paths for them. Even some of the things people think are useless in everyday life usually serve some purpose, like sparking curiosity or advancing comprehension skills, work on memory or other deeper understanding of how the world works, even if it's not something they can apply in practice.
YES EXACTLY!! This was my biggest point and I feel like not many people point it out!
They say these kids get cool real hands on experience and learn about important things. MF why can’t you do that and they ALSO go to school!? Sounds to me like they don’t want to parent their kids tbh
Responding to a child's curiosity is....THAT'S JUST PARENTING. you're supposed to do that anyways 😂😂😂
They're literally boasting about doing the bare minimum.
@@SpawnRevenge92 they are not doing the minimum
the only way i think this might work is everytime the child asks something, you spend the whole day or even a whole week teaching the related subjects. eg. don't just reply "12" when your child asked what's 7+5... teach them the basics of addition, even subtraction after that!!
@@sena167 yes they are? responding to your child is the bare minimum
@@toroinouse I think that person means that this is even below the minimum. You're supposed to do a lot more than just respond lol
someone needs to call CPS on these ladies, this is legitimately harmful for these kids
There is probably more evidence being proudly, lucratively posted to all the big platforms than the justice system could ever cope with, even if most of it wasn't totally legal. The right's war on education and child welfare is going really well for them.
There's a kind of unintentional poetry in that first unschooling mom teaching her son the story of Chronos, the story of a paranoid and anxious parent killing his kids out of fear that they will one day grow powerful and independent enough to no longer be under his control. If you put that in a script about Unschooling, everyone in the writer's room would roll their eyes.
Yoooooo
Oh you're so right
I would even dare to say that the idea of literally taking their kids' lives when they'd ever rebel against how they're raised and trying to leave home, isn't off the table with these mothers. They probably heard about Medea and can only empathize with how Medea bravely took the lives of her children when she herself was done with life.
That's exactly what I thought.
Nice!
Refusing to educate your kids, not allowing any outside influences to ever interact with them, not allowing them to form friendships or social skills outside the home, and physically keeping them inside all day are how you set them up to be abused. This is like… abuser 101. Or cult 101. And given that she’s in an MLM, I think this lady might just want to be in a cult.
it's not just "setting them up" for abuse. it IS the abuse.
The first Mom is actually a survivor from a Christian sex cult.
I guess old habits die hard.
It's also how you breed a Christian Army, which people are literally trying to do. I'm ok with religion to a point, and have issues telling parents how to parent, especially being childless, but I feel for kids being brainwashed this way.
My parents are far from perfect, but one of the things they did right was not to shelter me, answer hard questions I may have asked, and to teach me that I am not the only important person on the planet, and to look out for your fellow man.
The mother would be regretful when her children grown up. I
@meowntown69 its also setting them up for a life of abuse
As an ex-unschooler, listening to these parents triggers the hell out of me. IT'S NEVER ABOUT THE KID AS THE PRIORITY, ONLY THE PARENT'S EGO.
What brought you into the unschooling and what made you change your mind btw? Just curious, no answer needed if you're not comfortable with answering.
LITERALLY!! And it's a form of abuse, intellectual neglect. Same experience, this is triggering but also therapeutic to like actually hear someone talking about how wack it is.
The parents should be educated formally as teachers if they want to teach their kid, like not every adult is automatically built to teach developing minds. That's a whole ass degree.
And their politics
Unschooler here as well. I've had to pause the video multiple times because WOW is it close to home-
So many of those kids are going to be so far behind and won't know why until their world view opens up. While I can't guarantee it, in my personal experience, those "parents" will end up alone and won't know why their kids left them behind
I seriously wish them the best. No one deserves to be set back because of someone else's decisions and be left alone, scrambling to catch up
@@datte-ai It was a mix of my parents inability to trust anything about the public school system and my crumbling mental state. My parents thought unschooling would be best so I didn't have any stress when it came to school, but I literally needed the opposite (a lot of structure and therapy). It was incredibly neglectful and abusive, but dual-enrollment through community college saved my life and I wouldn't have graduated high school without the opportunity.
I got the last laugh though since I received an associate's degree with a perfect 4.0 gpa and plan to study geography and climate conservation in the future :)
Treating basic parenting like a radical new method of schooling is terrifying not just because they need actual schooling but because do they not know parents should already be doing this? Do they think this is some original amazing idea like “Hey, what if you took your kids places and talked to them throughout the day and answered their questions like they’re a person you want to interact with and teach to be a functional adult”. That’s the bare minimum, babes. You’re supposed to do things with your kids and talk to them about stuff, that’s just interacting with a child. If you aren’t doing that when you’re not recording tiktok’s thats concerning.
I wonder how many of them were homeschooled themselves, radicalized against the idea of school, and insulated by their circumstances from the consequences of their own educational neglect.
"you wanna pick the lowest price."
"You have not taught me numbers mom."
Underrated comment lmaoo
She forgot the price vs quantity… which could have been a good way to teach math
Chocolate rations will be increased from 25g to 20g
😂😂😂😂
That's you get people thinking 1/4 is more than 1/3.
"You typically wanna make sure that you pick the lowest price"
"Mother, I require knowledge about numbers and relations between them to make such assessments"
And they're just gonna think the lowest number is the correct one instead of learning to choose which one gives them the most value based on the amount of product 😮 yikes
I love the idea of children having inner monologues narrated by intelligent 60 yr olds.
“Mother, I am lacking in the proverbial academic “building blocks” to understand such a complex concept as price matching. I crave knowledge, mother”
yknow now im eternally grateful for my dad dragging me with him through the store to teach me about relative valur
@@s0lastsummer7And the quality of the product! It’s not always about the lowest price
@@shaneguy5275 Mother, may I have some oats.
"The kid decides what they want to learn" hey y'know I literally never would have thought to ask what an atom was before a teacher taught me what atoms were lol
Theoretically, if a kid asks 'what is this made of' you could go from the ingredients/materials all the way down to atoms and molecules.
@@azearaazymoto461 True, but I doubt the parents would even think to go that far, nor would they want to.
@@azearaazymoto461 do you think thats going to happen
Besides, my point was more that you're going to really struggle to ask questions about a premise that you don't know exists and you have no foundation for understanding it
Literally
It really depends on what you’re interested in. Some information can be given in response to questions, and other information given voluntarily. When someone, at any age, finds something they’re passionate about, the things they will go much deeper into the topic than a school ever would. At the end of the day, knowing things are made out of atoms is something most people will never use in their lives, outside of school. The standard of “what kids should know” is not an accurate reflection of what is actually beneficial for kids to thrive, both in childhood and adulthood.
5:55 literally wrong. Kronos (child eater) ≠ Chronos (personification of time). Two different deities
THANK YOUUU
Huh, I did not know that. See I learned more from this TH-cam comment that these kids learn in home "school".
Thanks that's fascinating. I won't pretend I ever thought about it much but I'd probably inappropriately connect those dots
i feel like the cruelest part of this is the fact that they're squandering precious years of neuroplasticity for their children. learning to read or write or do basic math later in life is going to be like us learning to do all that in a second language, since their brains will have hardened to a more grown-up state without any of the grown-up lessons already learned... just like how it's way easier for a kid to learn to play piano than an adult, it'll be near impossible and deeply demotivating for older children to achieve the same results at the same rate when learning these basic educational skills.
agreed. My sister does this with her kids. THey were going to be soooooo smart and they can't even spell their names. It makes me really, really sad.
I’d say it’s even harder than learning a new language, because you don’t have a proper foundation. When you’ve learned these things once it becomes easier the second time around, but learning reading or writing for the first time when you’re older seems incredibly hard.
Well, maybe they want their kids to be as dumb as these moms are.
@@vanessamichaels9512 might want to call cps on her
not to mention the social delays. this really just sets kids up for a tough go of it
I would like to recommend un-parenting. It's this cool new thing where the CPS takes your kid from you for being so irresponsible with their future.
Underrated 😂
real
💯
Oh damn 😂😢 quite the come back
Oh boy would that be something. People actually facing consequences for creating unfit individuals (which other people will inevitably have to deal with one way or another).
I can’t believe the last mom basically admitted that she just wants complete control over what her child sees 💀 you’re not supposed to say the quiet part out loud Amanda
it's insane cause do they fully believe that they're going to be 100% right about everything??? Like bro 😭😭😭😭
They're really dumb so 🤷
Not only that but the whole “they dont need to talk to anyone else, they only need ME”
@@icedgarlicyes they do sadly do
If they're not tiny clones of me, I do not want them.
Most parents are doing ALL of the things with their kids that "unschooling" parents do with their kids, plus their kids are also learning from real school.
And the parents are working AT LEAST 9-5s, bringing their kids to extra-curriculars …. I was hoping some of these kids were at least in a town sports league or something but it doesn’t seem like that’s true 😢
@@skyechang1309 "Unschooling" is really just lazy parenting.
The fact that she couldnt even be bothered to sign a piece of paper shows how much she actually cares about her children. This is really sad and I feel so sorry for the kids
This woman is unhinged. She's such a control freak too. I hope CPS gets involved holy shit
Her name is Kelsey Rhae and omg she makes me so angry, her takes on public school (and just things in general) never fail to astound me
i wouldn't too (but i don't have kids lol) it is just demand avoidance
Literally an insane reaction. When I was in grade school my mom had to sign my agenda every day, she didn’t complain and she was much busier than this woman as she worked everyday ( This woman clearly doesn’t work if she can unschool)
@autumnnn1809 Technically, she does have a job, but it's for an MLM that sells ketones. She spends all day on her phone promoting a pyramid scheme. And it barely takes two seconds to sign your name on a piece of paper, you aren't THAT busy.
My mom took me out of school because of bullying, and worked SO hard to homeschool me. Seeing stuff like this pisses me off, knowing how many hours she poured into making sure I wouldn't fall behind my schooled peers.
My experience was similar. I was homeschooled for a few years before going back to public school when I was doing better. My Mom worked so hard to make it good, do extra things like take longer trips and go outside to do with in the yard. It was great, and she had a really good curriculum and plan that she set out and followed to make sure that I was getting a full education.
The reason my mom homeschooled me was partly due to being bullied in a private preschool I once attended. I flat out hated that school. Delt with a literal clique and a teacher who hated my guts lol.
@@sheridannagley7257IN PRESCHOOL?! like toddlers?? holy shit that’s hardcore.
@@sheridannagley7257 cliques at 4 years old is wild 😨 also I’m so sorry that happened to you
@@sheridannagley7257 I'm pretty sure there aren't "cliques" in preschool, that's just a group of annoying toddlers... the hateful teacher is the real issue there.
My mother unschooled me for 3 years. Almost everything I learned was on my own or from the internet. She lied to the state about my “homeschooling” and faked my grades. I hardly left the house or interacted with anyone that wasn’t family. Didn’t go back to public school until it was literally forced by court to either let me go to an actual school, or put me in a group where I can socialize with people my age.
Unschooling, from everything I’ve seen so far, is really just parents trying to control their children completely and cut them off from society.
Edit: I wasn’t expecting to get so much attention from this comment. Thank you all so much for your well wishes. I am doing wonderfully now and I’m starting my sophomore year with all honors and an AP class.
I’m so sorry to hear that some of you have had similar experiences, I hope you all can thrive in spite of the circumstances you’ve faced.
This is exactly what's happening to me right now. I'm so glad I'm not alone in this
Well said. I’m so sorry you had to experience that. And so many states still continue to lower the amount of oversight that is supposed to ensure homeschooling meets certain educational standards.
Where I live the school attendance laws are lax to the point of being irrelevant.
This actually happened to my manager! He's 25 and can't write very well, and he and barely sign his name. He learned how to read and write and do multiplication when he first applied to the job when he was 16. His parents homeschooled him up to age 10, and then had him work for the family business until he decided he wanted to work and actually keep his own money at 16. He had to learn what a bank account was from the other managers, he didn't know how to drive, and he had virtually no friends. Now he's in charge of the store, got married recently, and he's doing a lot better education wise.
I’m sorry you had to experience that…I really hope they learned as early as possible that this system will not work…
Jesus it sounds like cult shit
The 1st red flag is the parents being on tiktok
my best friend was 'unschooled' from 7th grade onward, and she hated it so much that during weekends we would hang out and she would BEG me to her show her my homework, tell her what we were learning during class, she would come with me to after school study sessions (which her parents tried to ban her from doing??? my mom literally had to lie about where we were going lmfao). it was all super sad, and she was so, so miserable. all she wanted to do was just get a proper education and her parents were taking that right away from her. 'unschooling' was such a horrible experience for her and i've heard it was for so many others as well.
EDIT: because people were asking, my friend is so much happier now! she emancipated herself from her parents when she was 17, now 2 years later we go to university together, and shes studying to become an english teacher! for anyone that has experienced/is experiencing 'unschooling' or unethical homeschooling, my heart goes out to you. its such a horrible experience, and I know that my friend felt so hopeless while being 'unschooled'.
hopefully this helped at least someone haha
aw man. that is awful.
That sounds horrible! I crave the school environment and knowledge so much that I write literal essays during summer break lol. Do you know if shes able to get an education now or is she still stuck?
She was lucky, I had no friends that weren't online and I only told people the situation when I was 13 and refused to take any help that was offered because it was "weak".
Which is, ironically, against the very ethos they were touting - the kid actively wanted to go to school, so they should have respected that 😅
@@ZaftiqueExactly, they didn’t actually care about what she wanted to do, they just wanted to control her :(
I'm glad that “unschooling” is illegal in my country. Every child is legally obliged to complete at least 8 grades of primary school.
@@wildindigo999you must be the person in this video… you're under like every comment 😅
Which country?
@@billy_werber it is also illegal in Bosnia where I'm from, and I'm guessing by her name she is also from an ex yu country (i might be wrong tho) because the education system is similar
@@billy_werber Serbia
It's also illegal in Italy and I think most of Europe, but I'm not sure
I'm an educator, this whole topic makes me rage. This is educational abuse/neglect. You are asking your child to run the race of life but shooting them in the foot and chaining them to the starting blocks.
Well said. I watched a co-worker really struggle. She paid thousands to take a course, only to drop out the next day. She had zero knowledge of basic biology and couldn’t understand the course material. 😢
Do you think this will back fire on these parents? Ie having their kids mooching off them at 40 and launching our government into action against homeschooling?
Exactly! Reading is a skill that needs to be taught, it’s not a natural phenomenon that kids will just pick up and learn to do on their own
Exactly. You can't expect kids to have interest and questions about things they don't even know exist 🤷♀️
Thank you for doing what you do. You are so truly needed
ive been "unschooled" for almost 2 years and it is so depressing. neither of my parents help me either so its just googling for worksheets i can try to do everyday since in less than a year i have big tests to take. dont ever unschool your kids its the worst decision you could make.
Wanting your kids to have life experience is one thing, but refusing to let them be educated is neglecting your obligations as a parent.
Exactly. I don’t know why she thinks it’s impossible to teach them how to shop for groceries and do chores after they get home from school??? It works for most everyone else in the world 😅
My high school had a value called expeditionary learning AKA we had normal school BECAUSE OF COURSE but our extra curricular activities were so much broader than just sports and clubs. We had LARPING, gardening, an annual trip to Nicaragua, internships (actually we were required in our junior year) and tons more. In social studies when we were learning about the judicial system we went to DC. In my senior year we made a movie. All seniors got film classes then we travelled to make a documentary. Our science experiments were hands on. We built rockets, things like that. We got a real education, life experiences, and gained social skills. Seems like a pretty rounded curriculum in school, not what this mom calls boring and stifling or whatever. I don’t think I’d know how to be social or be tactful or know how to communicate in the world if I’d done unschooling. So I’m happy I never was. Plus she’s giving homeschoolers a bad name. I was never homeschooled. My parents didn’t think it was a good idea for me, and I get why and I agree with them. But homeschooling isn’t this. This is honestly neglect
@@ellaelliott4415 that's very very cool, but not what most public schools are like
That's one experience less they get to have too :p
@Itscannatella based on her being too busy to take a minute to sign her son’s papers, she probably spent little to no time with her kids and decided the way to do that was to not take time off from her work or hire more employees so she has more free time, but to take away her kid’s education so they’re always available when she’s available, which is very sad to think about. I’m not saying it’s bad she has a career, but she’s might be prioritizing it so much she’s neglecting the rest of the people in her life
As someone with ADHD, if my parents unschooled me I’d know absolutely nothing about anything
Same
Yes! I was only diagnosed with autism in my late 20s and public school was some intense exposition therapy, especially socially-wise. If my parents had taken me out of school as a kid, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be functional. It's not just the knowledge, it's learning how to fit into a society too. I'm glad homeschooling is illegal in my country.
Same
I did online schooling for 4 years. It was isolating, but at least I learned more from my teachers than parents who don't do crap.
I’d expect you’d know absolutely everything about one very specific thing and then forget it the next week and repeat
LMAOOOO "mamaa?" "shhh" like hold on sweetie mommy has to film a tiktok
"Hold on sweaty, momy's cyberbullying"
@@LJCG777 LMAO
its kinda funny but mostly it's sad :( if that's the kind of thing she's willing to show on camera... idk
Like honestly, isn't there a pause and cut feature? She really couldn't wait and edit it?
@@greysunshinexxthats my exact fear about all of this man :,| if this is what they're willing to show to the entire world. i can't even imagine what it's like behind doors.
man this sounds like my childhood. i was taken out of school and then shortly after moved houses. so i went from socializing and having friends to completely being isolated and talking to no one but my parents. not only that, they just stopped homeschooling me, from the start they wouldn’t help me with my schoolwork and i figured out if they weren’t there then i didn’t have to do it. and after that they just never bothered. and when i realized that i wanted to learn and have an education i had asked them, they just never did anything about it and i continued to sit around all day at home doing nothing. literally never went anywhere either, not even the grocery store. so not only did i have no education or life experiences, i have no clue how to talk to people and i have horrible anxiety and i feel like im not equal to everyone else that i do happen to meet. because most of the time i can’t relate too or understand the stuff im being told.
i understand that there are problems with putting your kids in school and the education system isn’t always the greatest. but i will say if you take your kids out of school and decide to homeschool them or do whatever tf this is that this moms doing, you better do whatever you can to make sure that child has the best chance at life because it is your responsibility. and if you can’t do that or you don’t care enough too, put them in damn school. idk how much this makes sense cause i was rambling but god i cannot stand this sort of stuff.
I love how they’re talking about basic parenting skills as if it’s some crazy new concept. Fostering your child’s curiosity and teaching them basic life skills is the bare minimum.
yeah that's what I was thinking. their idea of teaching is just answering questions their kid has... isn't that just being a good parent? like do they think parents don't interact with their kids if they go to school?? their logic confuses me so much 😭
IKR They're just admitting how bad they are ☠️
Thank You! Engaging with your kid when they are curious about something isn't a form of schooling, it's a basic part of parenting!
Yep and all those poor kids are going to miss out on education because they didn't know to ask.
@@ax6556 literally the bare minimum of existing with a child in your life. Talking to your children in not the same as a comprehensive education like jesus christ
The fact is they think school is only about reading, writing, math, science, and history.
Like no, it’s not, it’s also about learning how to socialize with people/other kids
Exactly, good homeschool parents are also teaching those skills and bringing them to sports classes and co-op, etc, not having them do all the housework.
and it teaches you basic responsibility. She complains about doing homework and says that its a waste of time and shouldn't be a thing, but it literally teaches your child the basics of responsibility while having low stakes. those skills are crucial if you ever want your kid to go to college, have a pet, or just be able to function properly. shes really setting them up for failure
I mean, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I'd be a lot more sociak if I hadn't gone to school. Most of my experience with other children in school were getting bullied. I learn social skills better with my cousins.
But also, even if school actually was only about those things, THOSE THINGS ARE SUPER FUCKING IMPORTANT. It's easy to take basic arithmetic, reading, and semi-decent general knowledge for granted when you already have them. When you've spent over ten years in school practising and being exposed to those things, they become second nature to the point that we don't even realise how much we use them. It's only when step foot in like, a rural hospital where people think they can use Mountain Dew douches as birth control or that you can scare away germs by yelling at them that you realise just how necessary an education is in order to be like, even slightly competent on the most basic level at the most pedestrian things.
As a kid who was out in those GT classes. Elementary school was about chess and the Aztec Inca Mayans. No I don't remember anything about them bc it wasn't interesting to me as a 9 yr old but at least we got to build shield and swords out of cardboard and wear sheets as dresses/robes 😂😂. I loved math though in middle school, hated math in highschool. Trig sucks
my partner was "unschooled" by his mom and we're literally still trying to un-do all the damage it did, it impacted so much more than just education but a lot of social aspects and mental health aspects were affected as well
Yeah, it's an absolute nightmare
This is relatable af except I'm the idiot and my girlfriend is normal. 😭
Yeah I was homeschooled since I was pretty young and that shit absolutely WILL affect your mental and emotional health. I barely knew basic math skills and I spent most of my days watching TH-cam instead. I never had any friends and it affected me to this day
I’m really sorry about what you two must be going through
But all I could think was “un-un-schooling lol”
@@MackenzieSWalkerI’m so sorry that’s horrible
Parents need to grow up. They are not in school anymore, it is their kid's turn and because of that immaturity even this have been taken away from kids.
unschooling is probably the worst idea i've heard of. these kids going to be our future 😭😭
Exactly like 💀
@@FionavanDahl wait what 💀
idk as an unschooler it's been fine for me
@@phantomskadiyour probably just Homeschooled
I haven't even finished the video, but it already sounds bad, I was thinking it was trying to make kids dumb but prob not
As a non-US citizen I still can’t believe it’s legal to do this. It’s genuinely child abuse to tie your child to yourself and deprive them of participation in society and not teach them skills they’ll need to survive in the world. Genuinely horrifying.
My thoughts exactly. I knew you could homeschool a child for no reason in the U.S., but I would have thought they'd at least make the child take a test every semester to check if this does not have a negative impact on their education.
@@netcat3000 I was home-schooled for middle school, but unlike this "unschooling" stuff, we actually used curriculum books (though there weren't semester tests)
I’m a US citizen and I agree with you. This SHOULD be illegal. Unfortunately these people found a loophole and have tied educational neglect to their right to religious freedom. Well, frankly, if your alleged “religious beliefs” prevent you from wanting your child to have an education, then your religion sucks and should be abolished.
In Sweden you have to go to school until you are 15 and finished 9th grade by law. If you try to homeschool social services will just take the kid away from the abuse.
In Poland you can do homeschooling but you have to pass exams at the end of semester anyway.
The part about “not needing socialization” is CRAZYYYYY. These KIDS need to be around KIDS for ample amounts of time so they can learn behavioral and emotional regulation patterns from OTHER KIDS
But where do the OTHER KIDS learn it from? Who's KID 0?
I disagree, kids are lousy at teaching those things. The 'socialization' model is and outdated and failed idea.
@@shadowblue4187me I'm the kid prototype
@@dcoy8666 They don't "teach" it, that one is learned by participating in social activities naturally, all humans do this in all stages of life, though it's just important early on to make the more important ones easier later
(Also people tend to need social interaction, period, for mental health, regardless of learning)
@@dcoy8666please elaborate because "socialisation is and outdated and failed idea" is a BIG statement 😭
They really need to crack down on blatant child abuse and neglect that's farmed on social media for views.
The chick with face tattoos needs to lose her kid asap. That poor child.
"I'm teaching my kids the *Important™* things, like thinly veiled threats about what happens to naughty children who dare question their parent's authority" (Kronos was an MLM girlboss confirmed)
and she said Kronos was a god 😭 girl no he was not
@@Ac3-of-pdes allow me to "well, actually🤓☝️" you for a moment.
Kronos, technically, was a god. A Titan god, but a god nonetheless. All titans are gods, but not all gods are titans. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
@@Ac3-of-pdes eh, that's kind of splitting hairs. To us mythology-was-our-special-interest kids, we'd call him a primordial deity or titan, but even the Wikipedia page on Greek Primordial Deities defines them as "In Greek and Roman mythology, the primordial deities are the first generation of gods and goddesses."
Edit: just looked at the website Theoi (my beloved) and Chronos is described as "the primordial god of time"
Her explanation of ol' dude eating his kids cost me 2 years of my life
The whole thing about her explanation that irks me its that its just plain wrong. Chrono (father of Zeus) was not the same mythological being as Chronos ("god" of time) that came from a mistranslation by the romans, and that just shows how her analogy is not only beyond stupid but completely and historically wrong.
"We don't need to learn socialization skills."
This is straight up neglect.
Fast forward some years to "why aren't you married, happy, socialized?"
@@SeanCrosserOmg you can be sure these "parents" are already subconsciously blaming their kids for their own shortcomings. And it'll only get worse in the future unless some kind of external witness intervenes on behalf of the kid
Depending on the state it's legit illegal
@@Gamerkat10 Well, neglect is certainly illegal, but are you sure the law considers this neglect? Are there any court cases to read about?
@@JesterAzazel states often have educational standards and benchmarks for kids. Some even have testing for homeschool kids so they aren't falling behind on the state's standards. If a kid is not meeting them, it's a definite red flag to the state and CPS may get involved depending on how bad it is and/or they will force the parents to put them in an actual school.
How are they not arrested already? Isn't this against children right of having proper education??
@@wildindigo999What's that even supposed to mean? What did you even intend to say with that statement? That you think they must be dumb because they think children have a right to proper education?
You should check out the John Oliver "Last Week Tonight" episode about homeschooling. Homeschooling is a f*cking nightmare clusterf*ck situation in the US.
@@Sleipnirseight There are a lot of people doing it well too… but yeah unschooling is nuts.
It depends on what state you live in.
"I dOnT sEe ThAt In ThE cOnStItUtIoN"
I’m a former un-schooleder and it’s pretty much ruined my chance of ever getting into college and fulfilling my dreams. I’ve never even been able to grasp simple maths, and I struggle with spelling. I’ve spent my whole life feeling stupid and inferior to everyone and it’s left me feeling completely inadequate. The fact that these parents can’t see how much they’re ruining their children’s future is absolutely insane. This is abuse.
That video of that woman preaching to the camera, and then shutting up her child when they were about to tell her something really does just sum up this entire “unschooling” thing.
pretty sure her own kids will go no-contact with her when they grow up
@@ShahedShbeebunfortunately they'll struggle to make alternative friends due to lack of social skills 😞
@@ShahedShbeeb If it even takes that long! The first good friend is going to start ringing the alarm bell, I think.
@@ShahedShbeebthen they’ll run to conservative media to drum up sympathy and rail against the education system even more
Not all unschooling is like that. That is actually a perfect example of why what she is doing isn’t actually unschooling at all lol
I knew some “unschooled” kids when I was homeschooled. The youngest was 9 and couldn’t read. The oldest at 14 could barely spell. “Unschooling” is just child abuse.
oh goodness… that’s horrible. i hope they’re doing alright now.
@@northsaysgoodbyeandthankyou I'm not sure, the oldest was a child molester so I tried to stay away from that family😅
@celestialsquirrel655 damn, you talking about my family?
@@celestialsquirrel655WOAH THAT WENT FROM 20 TO 200 REALLY FUCKING QUICK
This actually makes me glad I have school-
Despite how much I hate it, if I wasent able to read at my age I would’ve felt embarassed
As someone who struggles with social anxiety, my heart breaks for her son. There's no substitute for friendship, and nothing worse than feeling lonely and left out
Yeah, honestly. I guess the reason I wasn't lonely during the period I was homeschooled was that I was being taught alongside my similar-aged brother. And we actually, y'know. Learned things. We were taught lessons and did related math worksheets my mom printed off. We participated in a science fair. And we were still having our natural curiosity harnessed - we learned academic things related to our interests
Real ❤️🩹
I went to the regular school with peers and I still was lonely, friendless and isolated 🤷♀️
@@Kwadratura Same here but at least it wasn't forced by my parents. In this situation, the mom thinks that hanging out with her is a good substitute for her son having friends his age
I had mild social anxiety as a kid.
Working as a waiter in a restaurant cured that real fast.
You should try it. Its like anything else: its sucks real hard at first when you are bad at it then one day it clicks and its not an issue ever again.
But, my social anxiety was around adults, not people my age or younger. I had good social skills with other kids, older and younger. So, you know, take that for what it is.
These same moms are going to be shocked and confused when their kids turn 18 and go no contact
I was “unschooled” for a year by my schizophrenic mother and- surprise, surprise- it was the most traumatic year of my life. I was severely neglected, subjected to worsened psychological, physical, and sexual abuse… and, as far as my “schooling” went, I watched PBS Kids from the time I woke up until around 3pm… No one removes their child from the most enriching environment available to them with pure intentions. Shit should be illegal or else highly regulated.
Oh, man… i’m so sorry, i hope you’re safe now
😢 this sounds absolutely awful and heartbreaking… I wish you the very best and I hope you are in a safe place now!
I’ve learned that homeschooling at least in Texas is not very regulated.
"No one does it" dude be screened for paranoia shit son, and never smoke weed. Plenty of people homeschool because of the needs of their children and are not abusive and are qualified to teach them basic knowledge. Your situation sucked and is also yours. For real, don't smoke weed ok? Decreases the onset age and increases the severity of schizophrenia
@@TheKairosCollabrative I'm an educator and we definitely need grade level testing and regulations for homeschool students needing to take those tests. If the student is too far below grade level, they need to be placed in remedial classes with a licensed educator. Full stop. Homeschool parents must take educational courses while they are teaching their kids to ensure they are addressing their kids needs. Homeschooling must be regulated because unschooling and bad homeschooling is abusive and neglectful to children.
There is a local forum for my town. One guy posted about how he thought people with disabilities were selfish for wanting access to a local hiking trail. I was one of the people who pushed back and he apparently was so upset that he laid in wait for OVER A YEAR until I next showed up on the forum so he could write me multiple long emails full of personal attacks entirely about my daring to disagree with him a year prior. I looked him up after that and discovered that he and his wife are proud unschoolers. All I could think was that if he couldn’t handle a random neighbor disagreeing with him, I did NOT want to be his kid with absolutely no access to an education that wasn’t 100% in my dad’s control.
Thats....disturbing
I love the idea of a parent homeschooling their kids. As long as they're involved in community activities too of course. Unfortunately most of the people that also love the idea of homeschooling are selfish morons
@@JanYapsThat's just a worse and more risky way to implement schools. Opening up homeschooling empowers abusive parents disproportionately. Any problem you can have with schools can be 10x worse in homeschooling.
Tbh, if I lived in America, I wouldnt want to send my child anywhere near a school. You guys have a problem.
I’m sorry, he thought people with disabilities were selfish???? For wanting to exist in and have access to a public space??? You could’ve stopped there with describing his behavior and I’d know enough about what a POS he is to know those kids are doomed.
These parents are like “I don’t want outside ideologies impacting my child! Only I can force my beliefs and ideologies onto my kids! They can only be who I want them to be!”
Foolproof plan imo
I mean it's kind of normal for parents of all beliefs to instill those beliefs in their kids. Whether consciously or unconsciously
@@t.n.1116 whats not normal is the way they tend to freak out or disown the kid when they contradict the plan they have for their life.
They are creating losers, i' m afraid. I rather send my child to regular school, where kids learn a lot about how to interact with other people,plus they learn how to read and calculate and other things,to have some future.
It’s gotta be one of the most narcissistic mindsets one can have. You have to be absolutely full of yourself to think you know better than others who have far more experience/education than you do. 🤦🏼
5:12 that right there is some really bad energy you’re demonstrating, ma’am
My country Sudan has been going through a war that prevented kids from going to school for 2 years, they lost the right of education. It makes me so mad these entitled women are depriving their kids of one of the most basic human rights just to be "unique" 😢
thats horrible, I’m so sorry to hear that 😢 i pray that you are doing okay
They're actually just clout chasers that make money from it, and unfortunately people watching that type of content are just giving them what they want.
exactly what i was thinking. i am fortunately in the US and am so sorry your country is struggling so terribly with all of this right now. but i do fully agree with you that the right of education isn’t just a given, it’s a privilege in many places, and even something we had to fight for in america once upon a time, so how dare they take this right away from their own children?
Ikr! The right to be schooled has been fought for accross the world! So weird to squander the gift unless your kid has behavioral or mental issues that make them unable to stand class with people or have special requirements a regular school can't provide...
How are the average Sudanese dealing with this? Do they teach at home?
Fun fact about Jean-Jacques Rousseau, famous french philosopher and inspiration for this unschooling movement, who wrote a huge book about teaching stuff to children :
He abandoned all of his kids...
You mean he taught them all they needed to know and left them to make their own way - independently?
@@lukeandrew3335Letting your kids be independent is not straight-up abandoning them.
@@lukeandrew3335He did not teach them anything. He put them in an orphanage.
I just looked it up, and yeah! Not only is this true, he kept it a secret from the public and was only brought to light by a rival philosopher who wanted to dig up dirt on Rousseau.
@@lukeandrew3335aw, is that what you were told before you were abandoned?
my mom did this to me and my brothers. it's called neglect and it ruined our lives. don't do this to your children PLEASE i can't express how depressed this made us throughout our entire lives. everyone knows so much more than i do because i skipped out on 6 years of school and it's so so frustrating
thanks to everyone showing their support and sorry to anyone also going through this, i'd like to personally reply but i'm not too great at that sort of thing so i just wanna let anyone know that has been or in this situation just know that we're going through this together and we can keep on pushing through these hard times 🫂🫂
I feel you hardcore. I had a very similar experience. I am grateful to be out of it now, but the feelings of believing I was unintelligent and that I had no friends because of the way that I am, still linger, even though it was not my fault or choice. It takes a lot of work to undo these things. Sending lots of love ❤️
im really sorry this happened to you
that's awful, I'm so sorry. I hope things start getting better for you and your brothers
This happened to me for a short period, it's not because my dad was trying to "unschool" us, he was just schizophrenic and agoraphobic
I just had my brothers over who are in 5th and 6th grade and were pulled from school 3 years ago to “homeschool” (my moms version of unschooling), Gave them a few pages of different topics from a 2nd grade level workbook I used to use… and not only did they have the same barley readable writing but they both struggled with basic questions, the math sheets and following the instructions. But hey they know about sports, how to read a map, and that “every other kid in school is being indoctrinated” ✨
Seeing these comments always makes me worried and wonder what i can do to help them
These unschooling moms need CPS called on them for exploiting and neglecting their children.
My kid is autistic and has dyslexia and dyscalculia (basically dyslexia but numbers lol), and she’s done online school since she was like 7. Yesterday she was telling me about how she learned about the iceman of the alps (Oetzi?), and we also went to the grocery store and I showed her how to cook a certain food. It’s almost like you need both and it’s possible to do both and one isn’t a replacement for the other.
Good on you for supporting your kid with an alternative approach to schooling that works for them. It sounds like you're doing it right!
Oooh I'm a History teacher in Sydney and I love teaching about ötzi the iceman
well, you send me down a rabbithole
Ooo I had pretty bad dyslexia as a child. My mom made me read ALL the time which actually ended up helping me as an adult! Now I both love to read, and can read very well despite still being dyslexic!
Ötzi is written Oetzi for international Keyboard compliance, so yeah, nailed it
As an adult who was unschooled I was completely crippled by my mother's "letting me explore my own interests" which was letting a 10 y/o me have unrestricted unsupervised internet access 24/7 in the early 2010s where I played video games and got groomed by any adult who would give me more than a Buffy episode's worth of attention. If it worked for any of you, I'm glad, but from my experience and what I saw from other kids in our situation, it was just straight-up neglect.
I don't think you're going to hear any success stories unless the parent was an actual accredited teacher. There is no way letting your kids just wander around life is going to prepare them in any meaningful way when literally everyone else learned structure and socialization from before they could spell their own names.
No child should have 24/7 unrestricted internet access. That’s separate from homeschooling (tho goes along with neglect). I was reading all these stories of people who went through grooming yesterday and they all had that in common, unrestricted access…not homeschooling.
My mother had a rule against talking to people more than 2 years older or younger than me and I followed that rule. I was never groomed but I still didn't have a good childhood.
I’m so sorry.
@@samaraisnt I fully agree that it is different than standard homeschooling! That's not what I was referring to 😊
Crazy thing about the grocery store "lesson" is that sophisticated education in math is so helpful in price-to-quantity comparisons. Telling your child, "Typically we go for the cheapest option," doesn't help them learn that bulk items often appear more expensive, but are actually individually cheaper. With the proper schooling, you can even figure out how much cheaper. Not saying you can't necessarily get that from unschooling, but it has to be approached a lot more intentionally than what these parents are doing.
I distinctly remember having a unit on price-to-quantity comparisons in elementary school math. At a public school.
You can learn it from unschooling, but these people aren’t unschooling, they’re just neglecting their kids’ education and trying to make everyday errands out to be “lessons”
She didn’t even look at the value per kgs. Just “cheaper better! 🤓🧌”
I honestly didn't learn this from math class - with which I struggled all throughout for reasons still unclear, since I was otherwise a good student and a fast learner. (And one of the possible reasons may be that the way it was taught just didn't work for me, which is why I empathise with people who need to learn outside of school.) However my mom did teach me that when I accompanied her to the grocery store. It's a little scary that this one lady who made the choice to unschool her children seems to be bad at the specific skills she's aiming to teach them. Like she might legitimately be bad at grocery shopping - or plain ole teaching.
@@jadziajanhave you ever heard of dyscalculia? Could explain why you were struggling with maths and nothing else. Also, at least in my country this sort of stuff gets taught in economics class, not maths
As someone who was left behind in the education system and only started to really learn when I switched to homeschooling, don’t do this.
I attended to a Waldorf elementary school and I couldn't tell you how embarrassed I was when I entered a regular middle school and realized that sitting on the floor and singing while the teacher is speaking is not acceptable. I struggled to socialize because my experiences and behavior hardly aligned with the other kids' and several teachers contacted my parents to ask if I had some sort of intellectual disability. I didn't, I was just completely disconnected from societal norms. I can't imagine what these poor kids will go through when they eventually have to step outside and realize how the world actually works
my friend also did waldorf and he had never used microsoft word when coming into high school EVER! like he had never used computers, didn't know how to take notes from a lesson, all this stuff that you need. luckily it didn't hold him back too much in the long run but even that little bit of unpreparedness still did some damage it didn't need to do. i can't even imagine these poor kids growing up not knowing how to do anything for themselves
They never gonna be able to get a job
Waldorf? More like Walled Off
My little cousin went to a similar type of kindergarten. Once she had to join primary school, she was "late" compared to the other children regarding both basic knowledge and cognitive development. She had a hard time focusing, she lacked some vocabulary, because she was so used to the 'no rules" thing that was going on there... her parents paid money for this too, that's crazy.
@@manonpavllptdr the saddest thing is falling behind in early education has serious ripple effects on the rest of your education. Even if they catch up to their peers in the short-term, that damage to their confidence can make them feel like they're naturally unintelligent, which makes it incredibly more difficult to challenge themselves academically if they believe they're not capable of getting good grades, taking AP classes, going to college, etc. The importance of early childhood education is so incredibly undervalued and underfunded in the US.
I was unschooled and it was horrible. I was lonely all the time and never learned anything until I became a teenager and had independent Internet access. Now I'm 20 and I'm working on getting my GED. Thank you for making this video, this all existed way before TikTok did.
Same it’s truly horrible
same, 16 being unschooled, i have 0 friends and made my anxiety disorder worse.
I’m sorry your educational development was screwed up like that, but congrats on working hard to fix that! I wish you good luck when you take the GED test
hey there, I'm sorry to hear that, but I hope you can make it up and even if get interested in sciences you can get a grasp on it, it is just hard to search for information, and in my case the quarentine back in 2020-2021 pretty much unschooled me and I had a bad time with mathematics back on 2022, but now I'm doing a major on aeronautics engineering, and I'm slowly even still recovering but going on it, I know your case is more severe but yet, everyone has different types of intelligence, and everyone can learn, I believe in you.
Me as well:( it is cathartic and also sad watching videos like this, I feel so bad for the children that are going through this right now… I am starting to work through in therapy the negative impact that it has had on my self image, social ability and education. I was so lonely. Kids can’t be the leaders of their education by asking questions when they don’t even know what they don’t know. It’s still hard to even think of where to start.
Here in Italy you can homeschool kids, but at the end of each year they have to pass an exam that certifies they reached a certain level of education(the same they should reach at public school).
I think that solves a lot of problems
That also exists in the US. My guess is these parents are either committing some kind of truancy (especially if they’re living the van life). Or they’re enrolled in a private “unschool” on paper. Because they’re a legally a private school, depending on where they are, they’re can be exempt from standardized testing.
Yeah this exists in the USA. Unschooling isn't really allowed, people have just found some ways to cheat the system. In California people will sign their kids up for charter schools that allow you to homeschool but you must still work through all of the curriculum. Kids have to meet with an Education Specialist several times a year to prove that they're doing the work. They present assignments they worked on, have to show what resource they're using to take that class (textbook, an online class, in person class through an approved vendor, etc). They also have to do state testing once a year. Unfortunately parents just find a way to falsify it. I've known kids who's parents would sign them up for an online class but just do the work for them and present that to the ES, or buy textbooks and do 2-3 assignments from it and present that, then of course tell the kid what to say about it. Parents can find ways to help students cheat on the state testing too, or get exempt from it usually in a dishonest way as well. Regulations are being tightened here to prevent it but its difficult.
@@MY-ho7mt If they can be exempt, then the same thing does not exist in the US.
@stempki sounds like, based on what they said, it exists in parts of the US.
@@stempki The exemptions are more individual. Like, they could (probably) submit a document saying it's against their religion or something to go to school. It's how kids get into schools without vaccinations.
This is so crazy to me, because in the UK the kids start school at 4 after optional pre-school at 3. By 6, they are writing basic short stories
That's how it is in the US (I think 4 is optional but 5 is mandatory in most states, excluding homeschooling). In first grade we would read and write basic short stories, so for her kid to only be able to write or possibly even just mimic single words is crazy.
In truth I'm pretty sure this is actually illegal, as even when it comes to homeschooling there are state mandated tests and ciriculums the kid needs to learn, it's not like the parents can just teach their kid whatever they want.
Had a friend who was unschooled she was 14 and she would genuinely cry over her future she reached out to her friends to teach her basic math (including me) which was honestly so scary for me
I hope shes doing good now :^(
is she doing ok now omg?
That's so incredibly sad. Good to hear she was motivated to learn, but shame on her parents for putting her in that position.
How is this even legal? There‘s a reason school is obligatory up to a certain age in pretty much every country. Even if you allow homeschooling (which imho is a very bad idea bar extreme exceptions, like pro athletes etc.) there should still be standardized testing and if you fail that, you lose home schooling privileges (because yes, that is a privilege).
Technically unschooling is illegal in most states, even ones with very lenient homeschooling requirements. Most every state requires some sort of curriculum to be used in book form and many state even require homeschooled students to take part in state testing. I'm a homeschooling mom and I've unfortunately seen unschooling and it's such a sad situation where often times you have lazy parents who dont want to teach their kids anything at all and their children cant even interact with their peers because of how far behind they are and it can greatly affect their social skills.
as a school psychologist: these people are terrifyingly immature, and fucking up their kids SO bad
have you ever considered maybe they’re smarter than school?
obviously I am kidding, these folks are doing a cargo cult for montessori style education.
I'm not qualified to speak on this; but, I was under the impression there was state oversight and parents had to report curriculum?
I'm scared for this generation. Maybe the dumb parents will hope everyone won't learn to read or something so they're like their kid
@@JohnSmith-fe3sb No, not really.
@@asarishepard8171 More like they want "dumb kids" so that they will have to depend on their parents for everything, so that the parents can keep patting themselves on the back over how "important they are in their childrens lives" while being in total control over them.
_(think mother gothel and Rapunzel situation but biological child instead of kidnappee)_
One of the wonderful things I learned by going to public school was that not everyone comes from a abusive home and doesn’t hate going home, I’m really glad I got to see that other kids loved going home and their parents cared. It showed me a bigger picture of the world and I met other kids parents that I modeled my adult life after ❤
kudos to you, extremely hard thing to do. You’re very resilient and i wisj you the best which you deserve
Reading this comment broke my heart because I relate to this so much. I was thankfully not physically or sexually abused growing up, but I was emotionally/verbally abused by my father and his family (primarily his mother and cousin) from a very young age. I remember being confused as to why it seemed like 3 of my close family members didn't like me, and I didn't really like being around them. Going to school helped me see what a normal grandmother/granddaughter relationship looked like and what a normal father/daughter relationship looked like, one full of love and support, not heartache, fear, discomfort, and confusion. Going to school also helped me find people to confide in and it gave me a sense of temporary peace and happiness that I couldn't find at home. Yeah, school (specifically public school) can be shit, but for a lot of people, it's a much better option than being home all day.
@@00Rav3n00I’m glad you got to see healthy relationships at school too, your reply made my night, thank you 😊
@@alexterieur8813thank you 😊
Great point! Very smart!
Pro tip: Don't take life advice from someone with face tattoos.
Also, I question if this "unschooling" is even legal. Pretty sure kids are required to be enrolled in some sort of legitimate education in the US. And on top of that, what she's talking about as far as responding to your kids questions is normally called... _checks notes_ ...parenting. Yes, it's that thing you're supposed to do with your kids *in addition* to, not instead of, actual school.
Unless their advice is "this is why it's bad to go to prison"
girlie talking about 'teachers on a power trip' babe YOUUUU are the one on a power trip having a meltdown over SIGNING A PIECE OF PAPER 😭😭😭
yeah, the 'don't have time for that' over having to sign a piece of paper but somehow thinks she has time to school her kids really pissed me off.
FR LIKE THATS JUST A NORMAL FUCKING THING TO DO IN SCHOOL HELP
She needs to do like my mum and sign the whole year in advance, fool 😆
@@myopinion69420literally, cause that makes no sense. Honestly just sounds like she wanted to make a big deal on social media for attention..and now that she’s got it she’s going to try to “teach” her child and post all about it for more attention💀
Isn't denying them an education a form of child abuse?
yes. Isolating them socially is also child abuse. Limiting their experience with the world to only you and what you decide is a very strong recipe for unhealthy attachment and very sheltered kids.
This unschooling shit is so vile to me. Such a narcissistic and damaging method of parenting
Yes it is. And these parents will never see the truth of it, because they somehow believe that, even if they didn't have an education that they deemed of quality, they themselves are magically capable of giving it to their kids.
Though tbh the overwhelming majority of people have this mindset, from what I have witnessed. Parents and parents-to-be
I believe it's also illegal but I could be wrong.
yes
Yes.
My mother took me and only me out of school at age 12. She lied to the state, fabricated "report cards" and collected disability checks on my anxiety. I was in charge of cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, (get a ride from someone and completely in charge of the EBT card.) Taking care of my siblings as well. I struggled for a really long time with feelings of insecurity socially and academically. I went right into my first job at 16 as a housekeeper, and worked myself into complete burnout by the age of 22. My mother completely failed me, and pulling me out of school was just the start of that. I did get my GED at 21 though and have therapy every week to slowly build myself into a real person.
congrats on getting your GED and therapy!!! i cannot imagine how hard that’d be, let alone experiencing that as a child. i hope you can live your life to the fullest :-)
😢 I’m so sorry this happened to you… absolutely heartbreaking… you are doing so amazing now despite these traumatic things you went through!
@@Evie_Marie you went through what is called Parentification. I don't know if you have heard of that, but looking it up might help you in your healing journey. Much love and healing to you!
A lot of kids are going to be pulled out of school to essentially become unpaid $l4v€ labor for their parents.
@@feliciascorner9795 Thank you for mentioning that, I've been very aware of my own inner workings as well as my family members' mental struggles. I can understand why, how, and when things occurred due to certain substances, people, illness, or events. (As well as suspected undiagnosed disorders.) But had been struggling to find the right therapist to help process them properly. Only took 12 therapists and 8 years, but it's finally working out!
Biology today- cutting up roadkill.
Chemistry tomorrow - cooking up M3th
Former homeschooler here and current religion teacher. Just wanted to add my two cents that Chronos and Cronus are two separate deities that often get confused. So the one that ate his children was not originally the god of time, and chronological order has nothing to do with eating one’s offspring,
True. I ate mine middle first, then oldest and youngest last.
@@Farticuss😂
Thanks, I never knew this! I assume they were conflated, much like the Roman gods of wealth and the underworld? (one was called Pluto, the other something else but similar). By the way, of Cronus and Chronos, which is the one often spelt Kronos?
@@Farticuss I liked your comment even though I'm a middle child 😂
@@insertnamehere9718 Kronos (child-eater one) is here spelled Cronos. I’ve never seen it spelled with a C before, but I don’t know Greek or Latin, so 🤷
They could send their kids to a Montessori school, the concept is similar to unschooling but your kids don’t end up completely illiterate
I’m so glad you recognize this!! I’ve always loathed the whole idea of montessori.
@@madelinekc_ yeah its a great concept, i worked at a Montessori kindergarten
That's nice.
I went to a Montessori school until highschool. They taught us about apartheid by making us "replicate it". Me and four other people were the only ones allowed chairs and were given snacks while our friends had to sit in silence on the ground. One of my friends cried. 10/10 some of my best childhood memories are from that school.
Or a Charter school, where the class structured but not as rushed, typically more variety of electives that allow for more interest/career options. Student bodies are generally small and more interconnected, so people tend to form deeper connections (based on anecdotal experience, at least), in part because the risk of bullies, etc. is much smaller when the potential bullies are far smaller in scale, making them easier to weed out/deal with.
It's essentially similar to a highschool without the most major flaws, imo.
I was "unschooled" from ages 7-12, and I just want to share my experience:
-both my parents worked full time, so I was alone all day
-I didn't know how to cook
-I constantly thought I was stupid for not being in school, and I felt inferior to my peers
-I didn't see anyone my age for about 5 years
-I did not learn anything
-It's something I still am actively discussing with multiple therapists and caused a lot of trauma for me and my sibling
Feeling stupid for not knowing things you were SUPPOSED to be taught is very real, I’m sorry you relate too. Thankfully it’s not impossible to get back on track, it just takes a long, long while
Despite all that dumbass shit you came out fine so good job bro proud of you 🙏
I mean that's literally just neglect
Damn I’m so happy that you’re getting help for that now, that really sucks
Sorry, but that isnt unschooling, that is just neglect. Dont label neglect as something else.
I was homeschooled for religious reasons until I was a teenager and I relate so hard to the struggles of figuring out how to socialize when everyone else your age has years of practice.
But I at least learned quite a bit of math, reading, history, science (almost). I feel so bad for these kids who aren't even getting that.
This is honestly so scary. This is usually how manipulative and abusive households control their kids. The kids will have absolutely no one else to rely on besides their guardian and if they ever need space or just help from an outsider they won't even know where to start. They will be solely reliant on whatever the caretaker says even tho the caretaker isn't educated themselves. I hate when people try and play God to their kids. I also feel the same way about religious private schools.
Yeah. The second mom especially scared the shit out of me saying that there’s nobody else her children need to socialize with but her. I can’t even begin to comprehend how much more dysfunctional I would be if my parents did this. I might not have even had the will to live.
Hey I'd like to know more about what you mean about religious private schools
Parents also use homeschooling as abuse as well, my "mother" did.
In my country taking your child out of school is literally punishable by law until they either are 18 y/o or graduate 😅 I'm honestly shocked these parents can do this "unschooling" nonsense publicly without consequences 💀
Oh fr I've been to catholic schools all my life minus preschool and I hated it for obvious reasons 🙃
20 years ago, I used to work in my high school's Student Services office where the Dean and all the counselors were. One of our responsibilities was getting kids coming into 9th grade from previously being homeschooled evaluated to make sure they could understand and keep up with a high school curriculum. Without one. single. exception. none of the homeschooled kids could satisfactorily pass 5th grade testing.
I recognize that some diligent homeschoolers exist somewhere, but my life experience made it abundantly clear that 99%+ of the homeschooled population is just taken out of school and then completely ignored by their parents. It is one of the most insidious forms of child abuse I know.
That’s horrible. 😞
Agreed, I only know a single person that had an actually good homeschool experience while all the others were dramatically behind, and thats as someone who felt behind their peers already
Thankfully my mom took education seriously.. albeit it was a heavily one sided in many ways ( she was and still is fundamentalist, Christian and conservative so my schooling was heavily saturated with religion etc) but in other ways she took the guidelines seriously.. she also had us tested regularly and my brother and I consistently tested post high school in all categories .. at 16 I started dual enrollment and started college classes where I could get college credit and high school credit for my classes. I graduated high school having completed my first year of nursing school pre reqs. I went on to get my BSN with a 3.8 GPA and am now an ICU nurse. My brother ended up going to USMMA and is in the maritime industry .. both my brother and I had no issues transitioning to college /class rooms etc. so despite how heavily religion was emphasized I think my mom did a good job and made sure we were meeting the state guidelines . It also helped my mom has two college degrees and was a 4.0 student her entire academic career 😅.. the woman to this day can still do calculus and physics problems 😅 .. I have since expanded my horizons and have moved past and unlearned many those fundamentalist aspects of my education so there’s that too
Me and my siblings were homeschooled, but not fully. I was homeschooled till third grade and my siblings home schooled till high school. I think in many ways it really helped us find our individuality, but I am so glad we all ended up going to public school. We basically had two or three friends before and they were all homeschooled. And while I wasn’t worried about cliches and school drama (my mom diligently taught us well), my other siblings struggled fitting in once they got put in public school. Not to mention, I genuinely did not know racism or other issues existed. I was like.. wait, atheists are a thing? The sheltered mindset can really cripple individuals to diversity and issues. People would do hurtful things and I genuinely had no idea to react but to tattle on them. I had never dealt with cruel kids or kids raised differently than me, meaning my opinions and feelings were not rooted. It took a while for me to find my identity. I really like the idea of kids being homeschooled for a few years, but I really think public school is important.
I've never read a TH-cam comment so close to my own experiences.
I was also homeschooled all the way through high school, tested regularly (at 9 years old I tested into a 12th grade reading level), started dual-enrollment at community college, and my parents were both well educated (3 bachelor's degrees between them), and went to nursing school!
I'm now a slightly burnt out adult, but I know how to budget, fix my own car, can cook to feed an army, do my own taxes, and pay my bills just fine.
I'm incredibly grateful for *most* of the experiences I had in high school for getting me to this point.
As a teacher this genuinely hurts my soul. It baffles me that the mom believes that her child doesn’t need socialization with other children. Parents like her don’t understand how much children learn from each other.
I disagree. I think she understands exactly how much people learn from each other but that scares her and threatens her. Her entire world view is based in willful ignorance
@@jarkmonsoon5527scared they might learn something they don’t like or socialize with someone “undesirable”
Sad that she doesn’t know that from her own experience
And often that learning is learning what not to do. Like bullying is a horrible thing for kids to go through but that’s exactly what teaches you why you need to be kind and stand up for others.
I didn't talk to other kids in a friendly way or had real friends until late highschool because I was a bully target with the same kids my entire education, and it shows. I'm surprised my first real friendships lasted so long, when I barely knew what friends even were or how to nurture them.
I was unschooled for a year as a kid while my mom looked for an alternative to public school, and while it was a great opportunity to heal from the trauma that situation caused (gotta love autism), it could not give me the education I needed to develop into a functioning adult. In my opinion, Unschooling is best used as a temporary substitute for public school while you find something else that works for your kid. And it only works as education if that kid already has experience with academic settings, because how can you engage your natural curiosity if you can't even articulate your questions? I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for those younger kids.
These parents are narcissists, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with education and everything to do with keeping as much control as possible over their kids lives.
exactly
hit the nail on the head, i feel so bad for these kids and wish them the best of luck when they eventually escape from their abuser (or abusers/people complicit, not ever gonna look this bitch up and see if she's with someone). narcissistic parents ruin lives.
It's crazy the extent some narcissistic parents will go to not lose control over their kids. Some of them are hysterical, yelling their heads off over minor things, threatening to call the cops, having meltdowns that get increasingly worse until they get what they want, etc. Some won't even let their kids have autonomy over their lives as adults. It's insane.
I agree entirely! They know it’s detrimental to their children and either don’t care or are actively benefiting off of it! When they’re gone and not there to hold their hand, who cares what happens to them right?
Especially considering most of these parents probably WERENT homeschooled themselves
Children can still ask insightful questions even while they're attending school... 😭
To teachers whose entire careers is to field those kinds of questions from developing minds, too!
@@SeanCrosser Yas exactlyyy
It's like someone combined student centered learning, informal learning, and homeschooling. Student centered learning and, in some contexts informal learning, can be great, but this is garbage.
Noooooo they'll be too occupied learning "necessary" things like basic math and how to write and read 😢
@@d_camara No they won't! When I was younger (and still now) I asked my parents questions constantly, and I'm in school 😂😂
>Too busy shilling a MLM scheme to check kid's homework.
>Take them out if the school to be the sole person responsible for their education.
10/10 logic.
Yk, this is the evil twin of exploratory learning... Learn about what interest them, but also make it envelop all developmental domains. If your kids like hey I like pirates. You can make a pirate board game and you can learn about the history of pirates and you can learn about sea creatures and density and read books about pirates and watch a pirate documentary and play a game where you "count your booty" and and and... Exploratory learning is amazing to teach kids to love to learn. But you still gotta plan to teach them math within the context of pirates because they like pirates.
And you can do this with literally any topic, I've done it on space and brown bears and superheroes and mythical creatures and so many more topics. Kids will show a natural inclination for certain topics so take advantage of that, but you can also include things like math in that I can sit with a kid and play a pirate board game that is math focused for an hour and a half. I will provide books about pirates and watch a 2 and 1/2-year-old sit and look at books for an hour. (I'm a nanny on a pirate unit) I'll make a science experiment that looks like a little treasure chests and on the inside there's gold and they have to figure out how they can break open the treasure chest. I'll make writing and drawing practice sheets that have custom pirate words with different letters and pictures like p is for pirate and parrot and then they have to come up with another word that starts with p.
There are a lot of reasons that I want to homeschool because I do have a degree in child development and I also am worried about the insanity going on in public schools, but I also want them to be able to explore different opinions and viewpoints and I am still one person. Even if I am a fairly intelligent and open-minded person, I'm still one person and the saying is two minds are greater than one for a reason. I haven't fully decided what I will be doing with my children , but I have no intention of brainwashing them with my ideals.
@@Mia-iu2by My understanding is a lot of the insanity with public schools is driven by people who want to privatize them, like crunchy moms (who almost always homeschool their kids) showing up to school board meetings demanding that sunscreen and bug spray be kept behind a dozen consent forms and doctors' notes and locked up in the nurse's office. And since they have astroturfed groups like "Moms for Liberty" behind them financed by the Heritage Foundation, those school boards do what they want
Copying letters from the environment is late preschool/early kindergarten. It is an indicator he's ready for instruction.
Thank you! Absolutely 💯 right 👍
Agree actually I agree also with her she doesn’t need to teach him, she should be cultivating this interest he has taken in writing. Sorta sad she expects him to pick it up on his own. Even learning a trade takes someone wanting to learn it then someone helping them as they apprentice
I liked the car cleaning one. "I'm teaching my kids to take care of the things you love. So instead of me taking care of them, they're taking care of my beloved car."
Oh snap
So instead of taking care of me, they’re taking care of my beloved car?
Dumb parents and their legal slave labor tricks 🤨
@@levominhtam7300 They'll vacuum the car floor but who's going to vacuum the crumbs off of grandma? Priorities.
Well, to be totally fair my dumb ass didn't realize that anything nice in life that you get comes with chores. You either do them yourself or pay someone else to do them but the reality is the same: chores.
Want a pool? Chores or a cleaning service or an HOA to provide a community pool, for example.
Want a rice burner zoom zoom or some other small dick car? Gotta take care of it. High performance machines require regular tuning or you destroy them.
Want a boat? Don't get a boat, just rent one a few times a year. Not worth the effort.
Uhhh, yeah, 3 examples is good enough.
My dumb ass learned the lesson as it applies to friends: in order to have good friends you have to be a good friend and being a good friend is basically chores: you have to maintain the relationships. I just took way too long to realize it applied to "things" as well. And now I have lots of chores I didn't intend to sign up for, lol.
My mom decided to “unschool” me and my siblings (there’s 10 of us) and from my experience it’s literally child neglect. Educational neglect has affected my adult life in countless ways. Please please please if you have kids give them the chance to start at the same place as other kids.
Man I thought my neglect as a child of 6 but I couldn't even imagine what 10 would be like!
Your mother really had 9 children and said, “You know what would be even better? A 10th kid.”
I wouldn't blame your mom. It sounds like she was abused as a kid, trapped in a marriage and then forced to be pregnant for like 12 years straight.
Blame the men in your life for both of your situations.
@@mashadarii wow, that’s a lot of words about a story you know nothing about.
Maybe use all that energy on your own relationships instead of projecting on mine lol
Imo having that many children in the first place is already neglect, because there is no way anyone can sufficiently keep up with both the physical and emotional need of 10 children (and probably your dad too, if you're raised in a traditional family). But to then choose to unschool on top of that?? I'm so sorry for what happened to you and your siblings, I hope you're okay now.
The fact that these kids will suffer the consequences for their parents choices in the future is crazy.
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Kids don't know what they don't know and if you want "unschooling" to work you need to put information and learning opportunities in front of them. You can make learning fun and play into their interests but that is not what is going on in any of these stories
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@@wrenmassey6876 what I wasn't even talking about the subject of the video? 😵💫
@@C.anne116 Maybe they accidentally clicked on the comment before posting
@C.anne116 idk what happened. I think my phone glitches out bc I actually put this reply under another comment entirely
Another way it sucks is that kid-led, inquiry-based learning IS a good thing and a lot of education programs would benefit from adding it a bit.
It just can’t be the *only* thing.
Yes! My school is working on implementing some of these ideas, and while it’s a little rough right now, I genuinely enjoy it!
Ppl who do this, however, are insane. You can’t put all the responsibility on a child to learn things they don’t even know exist
My district has implemented it and while it doesn't seem like a bad idea on paper, it's not well executed at all. I have a friend who is a second grade teacher and she has to teach them to write... A skill they should already have by then. And many aren't able to sit for the entire class bc they've never been made to sit until then. I do think it can be done properly, but you need strict guidelines on how to execute it so kids still learn :///
Exactly, and providing kids with a baseline of knowledge actually increases the amount of questions they can ask. I see it often while tutoring, kids will naturally ask questions about the material or relate aspects of it to their own life, (and ill ofc try to expand on that a little if i have the knowledge). I expect its even more common with materials they are good at/more interested in (so they don't need tutoring)
what many people either fail to understand or don't care about is that learning the foundational skills of virtually any task is not fun or interesting but you to do it to function in society. Like, learning the absolute basics of how to do math isn't necessarily fun but you definitely need to know how to do fucking arithmetic.
My 5th grade teacher believed in something similar to this. And I guess it was maybe some sort of advanced class, I dunno. But she would have lecture time a couple times a day to go over required material but she had a list of all the school work that needed to be done in a school day written on the board and it was up to you when/how you got it done.
Was rad. I got so much more time to read books as I wasn't being slowed down by the other kids in class I could tear through the school work, get my homework done at school, then read my books.
The next best similar situation was getting detention for beating up the kids bullying my friend. I could get the whole school day's worth of work done in about an hour and a half.
Made the transition to University so much easier, lol.
That one woman that said she's putting her kids in any and every sport because now they'll have the time for it...did she forget that kids' sports are during after school hours and the weekends?
Right! I was thinking the same thing. Who are they supposed to play soccer, football, volleyball, etc with?
You have already put more thought into it than any of these parents have.
@@gregoryvn3 These parents have dripdrop brain, its a side effect of the platform they are on.