For a while, the left were in favour of meritocracy. Their arguments for equality were meritocratic ones. Equality of opportunity. Then they switched to 'equity', which is anti-meritocratic. Sometime around 2015 was when we got closest to meritocracy. We peaked. It's only going to get worse as the old remnants of meritocracy are replaced. Especially given they don't need to be competent to access the bottomless pockets of Blackrock et al. Though there's still plenty of room for a new meritocracy to emerge. It just won't be anywhere near as well funded.
@@glennross85 It's not nostalgia bias. There have been good films made since 2015 & poor films from before 2015, but the hit to miss ratio has gone wild the last few years. Plus at least the crappiest old films are sometimes inadvertently funny and don't actively hate the audience, unlike a lot of modern crap.
one of my favorite moment in Back to the Future 2 is when they had just landed in the future and Doc is quickly explaining what Marty needs to do. His watch suddenly starts beeping to which Doc is responding shocked and yells "DAMN!! I'M LAATEE!!!". It is such a ridiculous thing to say for someone that owns a time machine and it is details like these why I love this trilogy so much.
@@NitpickingNerd I agree. But in this particular instance, it is just the impossibility for a time traveller to ever be late. How can you ever be late when you can just travel directly to the desired point in time? Just shows how confused Doc is at times
@@herrsan Depends on the time Machine really. in this case the Time Machine has to be moving at 88 MPH in order to time travel through time. This means you can't just jump back a few minuets easily as you need to account for travel time and local paradoxes of running into yourself or even crashing into the time machine. With the Delorean time machine you have to use rough time for your target events and aim to be early. Doc's aim in this event would up being late for his target event.
Is it possible Doc wanted to limit the possibility that them being in 2015 would have negative consequences, being there for as limited time as possible would reduce the chance of changing the future in a negative manner. The time they are in 2015 is of course too long as it is, as it is enough time for Jennifer to be taken away and encounter her future self and most importantly it is enough time for Biff to find the almanac. I'm guessing Doc wanted to get Marty to 2015 at the exact moment to reject Biff then get back to 1985 ASAP!
@NitpickingNerd If you think about Doc Emmett Brown was willing to commit suicide if his Time Travel Experiment at The JC PENNY'S PARKING LOT FAILED. Think about it He'd gone COMPLETELY BANKRUPT sinking his ENTIRE FAMILY FORTUNE into his time travel experiment. EVEN MORE DARK He was willing to take Marty with him. Notice how he grabs Marty by the arm really hard and prevents him from moving out of the way of The DeLorean as it was speeding towards them. Many people write it off as Doc Brown wanting to ensure Marty got the entire experiment on film. Which is true since the experiment ultimately succeeded But what if it FAILED Doc was willing to have his brains splattered all over the JC PENNYS PARKING LOT and he was willing to take Marty with him
Yes, like: Have they fixed dentistry in the sci-fi future so you can drink Coke to your heart's content? And can you eat calories without getting fat? (A movie that includes that would be quite popular.)
@@Matthew_Paul That's an extremely good point i never noticed before, and that type of time travel would make tmore sense narratively, but BTTF's time travel is built on plot convenience, and whimsy. It's less about trying to be an accurate working model. At the end of the day Marty and Doc needed the delorean back, or the events of the movie couldn't happen. They'd effectively be stranded. Unless you conclude the ripples in time take that long to take effect. Which that deleted scene would suggest, and thats how he was able to come back. It doesn't really make sense why he'd come back at all though. He's only bringing them back the machine that gives them the ability to erase the changes he just made, and to let them know it was him that made them, but I guess Biff is far from a brilliant strategist. Even if they were stranded, Doc could i assume build another working time machine from 2015 tech. Anyway, once biff made the change would the world change around Marty and Doc immediately? Or, would the current timeline still exist for them as an alternate timeline until you left it. I think the time travel explained in the movie is more linear. It's not a machine able to travel to parallel dimensions or back to old timelines. Once somethings changed, its done, once someones gone somewhere they're there now. Unless you go back and stop them. Why didn't 2015 change around them though? Because thats the time travel explained in the film. Or better yet, why didn't they disappear too. Like Marty started to in bttf1. Again it's plot convenience to give Marty time to act like he did in the first film. In the mechanics of its own time travel hypothesis, the change would take effect immediately. There wouldn't be this slow disappearing. Even though for Biff the change was just made, for Marty and Doc the change was made in the distant past. They shouldn't be there at all. I doubt you could conclude that Marty and Doc team up in every timeline, or that doc creates the machine in every timeline. So they shouldn't be there to find biffs cane in the 1st place. Then you go down the road of: well if biff changed the past, how was he able to travel to the past to begin with, because the future that needed to exist to give him that option doesn't exist anymore. Anyway BTTF is a classic, but its premise unravels if you attempt to pull on those plot threads. Which i guess most time travel stories have the potential of falling into, but BTTF is probably on the weaker end of a working model comparatively.
I hold the first film in high regard but as a kid I watched the 2nd film the most because of how wacky and dark and complex it is. Keeps your rewatching it to catch all the things in it.
Its already being revisited sadly. They are talking of casting Melissa McCarthy as the Doc and the Asian guy from the recent spiderman films who was Flash being cast as Biff...
Doc even mentions in Part III that he put gas in the tank of the DeLorean before Marty goes back to 1885. It's a 'blink and you'll miss it' line. Doc: "Okay, I think we're about ready. I put gas in the tank, your future clothes are packed, just in case fresh batteries for your walkie-talkies. Oh, and what about that floating device?" Marty: "Hoverboard."
"You gotta wear the boots! You can't wear those futuristic thing back in 1885, you shouldn't even be wearing them here in 1955" But yeah, sure take the hover board 🤣🤣
@@chuck1804I believe that point that was being made is that the DeLorean was stored in the mine without gas, that Doc likely drained the fluids from it for such a long term.
@@mattstorm6568 I guess an increasingly bigger ratio of zoomers who'd rather watch old media over current stuff aren't a reliable metric to the current state of entertainment.
Fun facts: Parts 2 and 3 were filmed back to back, with only a 4 week break between the wrap of part 2, and the beginning of filming for part 3. The total production costs for all three movies were around 100 million $$ (not including the compensation for Crispin Glover's lawsuit), and even with the declining profits of each sequel compared to the original, the trilogy still made nearly 1 billion $$ combined, in theaters worldwide. So that's almost 10X, not including profits from merchandising and home video releases.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral And the Acolyte will be forgotten in a year or two. While the Back To to the Future franchise continues to be a staple in American movie history.
Old Biff didn't disappear because he became a different person. In the directors comentary they state that he was killed by Lorraine before then, so he didn't exist.
Regarding the paradox of using parts from the buried Delorean to repair the one Marty used to go back to 1885, it makes one ask about the Bill and Ted scenario "dont forget the trash can" scene. Doc and Marty would take inventory of what parts they use and leave that in the note for their future selves. Then again time travel movies bring up all sorts of paradoxes, loop holes, and questions.
In 12 Monkeys time is immutable, despite being a time travel movie. What happened, happened. And still, the movie writers put some paradoxes on purpose in it, like things that happens in the future influencing events in the past. It's very interesting.
No, there are not four DeLorean’s in 1955, at least not the first time Doc and Marty go back to 1955 to retrieve the almanac. The DeLorean in the mine only appears after Doc is struck by the bolt of lightning and send back to 1885. Because before that event happen the timeline hasn’t been altered previous to 1955.
@@kobayashimaru8114 No. It’s very consistent. Since the first movie it’s stablished that things happened for the first time when the timeline is altered. That’s why Maty’s family are losers at the beginning of BTTF 1 and they only improve after Marty changes the past.
When you look at the characterization of Doc and Marty in the third, you quickly realize that their roles are reversed from the previous movies. Doc is the childish one acting on impulses while Marty is the one pushing them towards their final goal of going back to the future. They even reverse each other's iconic lines, "Great Scott" and "this is heavy" to emphasize this. It was a perfect way to end each of their character arcs and is honestly the best of the three because of that.
@@OneofInfinity. fun fact: In the 90s, German spelling was officially changed throughout all German-speaking countries because it had become too "difficult" for most students. Words were changed and simplified, but the problem was not spelling, but the steadily declining IQ...
If you watch and listen to the documentary on the deleted scenes on the DVD set from 2002 which I have. Biff disappeared in the future, due to Lorraine shooting and killing him at some point before 2015. Pretty heavy stuff!
@@atranfanaticyea thats what a lot of people didnt like about bttf 2 is that it had some really dark stuff, but i have no problem with it. In fact wouldn't mind some new time travel movies by some great writers/directors like Paul Thomas Anderson or Quentin
I think it makes more sense to have it. Whilst the audience can already tell him using the machine is a bad thing, it sends even worse signals if he begins to disappear. That implies that he’s done something really bad to mess up the timeline.
There is a theory that Back To the Future was a documentary, not a fictional movie. Bif really did destroy the future. That's why everything after the 80s sucks now.
Tom Wilson's performance was awesome, but the resemblance of the Biff character to Chump is actually pretty uncanny. Changing the future via lies, deceit, boolsheet, daddy's money, and manipulation, eh? DEEEFFFINITELY sounds familiar. 😂
Right.. like how BTTF 2 literally has a Donald trump inspired character used to illustrate a possible dark alternate 1985 where Americas worst social political and corporate impulses are fully realized, creating a very familiar dystopic society founded on greed and oppression… no message there at all
Around the time II was released, I had subscribed to the Back to the Future Fan Club, which put out several issues of a magazine. As a freebie, they sent me a postcard of a painting. It was Marty and Doc riding the DeLorean in 1885 with horses pulling it. Years later, 2013, I think, I took it with me to a DeLorean car show in Dayton, OH where Bob Gail signed the card for me. He was the nicest guy, too. I realized I missed a great chance to ask him anything I wanted to about the scripts he wrote, but I chose to thank him instead. Such a wonderful series of films. I hope, like the DeLorean in a mine, the franchise stays undisturbed for decades to come. It never ever could benefit from a reboot. They nailed it the first time
Sure they did. When they’re riding back to town Doc says, “Clara Clayton almost fell down Clayton Ravine, GREAT SCOTT…” and Marty says, “So they don’t name the ravine after her.” And notice at the end it’s called Eastwood Ravine.”
Not mentioning all the people on the train. In the original timeline that train managed to leave the area and the passengers reached their destinations, just according to the time table. When Doc and Marty "borrowed" the locomotive loads of history changed for all these people who now got stranted in Hill Valley until the next train to San Francisco, probably a few days later. Every interactions they had with other people on their destinations now never occurred, making for differences for all those people that people from the train would have interacted with. And the people they would have interacted with, and so on. This would be a completely unforeseeable mess of total change of history in northern California at least. And in the BTTF Universe it's not like "time" tries to adjust to the normal course of history, like in 11.22.63 or so. This is one heck of paradox not many others seem to have discovered, not the least the Bobs..
One quibble, when Biff returned to the future, he would have become the Biff of 2015 the same as Marty become the new Marty of 1985 with the passive Biff. That deleted scene means only one thing, in 2015, Biff was dead. Since Biff was alive in the original 1985, it means that the 2015 Biff returned to was the future of the dark 1985 timeline. The non-canon BTTF comics indicated the Lorraine shot dark 1985 Biff and used his money to rebuild Hill Valley. The reason Doc and Marty didn't notice things changed was the same reason why Marty's family didn't notice the timeline change....the timeline changed around them.
when old biff went back to the future after giving himself the book in 1955 he should have went to the alt timeline future as Marty had done twice as he had altered his future from that point . He should have never made it back there and Marty and doc would have been stuck there . why did biff go back there and give them the time machine back . What a bonehead .
@@Chadleyization I suppose causality might explain it . Marty was always destined to repair the damaged time line in what would be his future no matter the time period ha was in hence he did not fade away but it was touch and go and biff was able to travel back to his original time line because Marty was always destined to repair the time line but then that would make the alt hell 1985 non existent as well . If biff caused the alt 1985 in 55 when he went back to give the book to himself he should not be able to travel back to his original 2015 timeline from then unless he travels to 2015 from a point in time before he gave himself the book . but that would not benefit him an any way as he would only make the biff in the alt 2015 rich not himself .
Actually, the reason Biff is in such pain and starts disappearing is that he's dead in that timeline. Apparently, Lorraine finds out at some point that Biff was the one who killed George, so she kills him in retaliation by shooting him through the heart. Hence why old man Biff is clutching his chest when he starts disappearing.
BTTF II was one of my earliest VHS experiences and III one of my earliest memories in cinema movie theater... Is THE one trilogy I wish Hollywood would never touch, reimagine, red con, revisit..
Gale and Zemeckis retained the rights and have gone on record saying they absolutely refuse to allow any studio to touch the movies while they're alive. They did give their blessings to the Telltale BTTF game which was very well written and nicely fills the niche of a BTTF 4. Christopher Lloyd and a few other actors actually returned to voice their characters but sadly Fox only had a cameo due to declining health, though they found a great sound alike.
Honestly. Doc comes back at the end of the first film to tell Marty and Jennifer that their kids are in trouble in the future. But, who cares? They had 40 years to prepare to fix it later. There was ZERO reason to take a time machine to 2015, to fix someone else's problem. Just be aware of it, and fix it when it happens in YOUR OWN TIMELINE. Duuuuuuur.
When they made that ending there was no intention of making sequels. After the huge success of the film they started writing a script for a sequel, and they had to pick up where they left off. Films 2 and 3 were written as a single script for a single film, but they realized it would be too long and split it into two films.
So glad that Robert Zemeckis was admant that they can't reboot Back To The Future. I'm sure that the film makers would make a lot of money from it too! The original trilogy were perfect!
@@Canibar13 The Telltale one was basically BTTF 4. It was perhaps a bit much to include Marty's GRANDparents in the whole storyline, too but still a good story.
You simply cannot do BTTF without Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd as they were back in the 80s. The characters are just tied too closely to who they were at that moment in time.
I've read that for the deleted scene in Back to the future 2 Biff dies because Lorraine ends up shooting him in the alternate timeline. There's also a comic that explains how Biff got as powerful as he did called Biff to The Future.
Yeah I heard that in 1996 Lorraine found out that Biff shot George, so Lorraine shot Biff. So even though Biff became rich and powerful by going back and giving himself the sport's almanac, he lived a shorter life.
The paradoxes don't ruin the movies because they tried to write a smart movie. Paradoxes/plot holes happen in films these days is because they don't even try. I've also always had a soft spot for BTTF 2 hell might have been my favourite one. One of the best soundtracks of any movie series. How far we have fallen. Somedays you wished for own Almanac from the future. I swear the 90s and 80s feel like a different universe.
It's ironic that the last Jaws movie when BttF2 was made is still the last Jaws movie, 35 years later. We haven't even gotten 1 more sequel since, much less 15 of them.
I hold the first film in high regard but as a kid I watched the 2nd film the most because of how wacky and dark and complex it is. It keeps you rewatching it to catch all the things in it. So many times I watched it I found something new that I missed the previous watches of it.
The one thing I’ve never understood about Back to the Future, and it’s in regards to the picture and the disappearance of Marty’s Brother and Sister. Shouldn’t the photo disappear? And not just the family members? Afterall the sole reason for the photo to be taken is that they have a family. If they no longer exists, why would the photo still be taken of any empty backyard? Also, If you go back in time and change events, you won’t be affected as you aren’t within the time frame of which was changed, in essence you won’t succumb to the effects of the change, So the Grandfather paradox isn’t really a paradox at all.
One of the biggest paradoxes never mentioned, George and Lorraine have 3 kids in the original timeline, all conceived at a specific moment in history. Even though Marty fixed their relationship and they fell in love in the new timeline.....Well, their lives would be completely different, George knocked out Biff, becomes popular and confident, goes to parties, has new opportunities in life. You see where this is going? Sure, they get married, but the odds of conceiving the same 3 children at the same exact moment in time is 0%. Marty saved his folks, but ultimately, he still isn't getting born.
This might apply to Marty's siblings sure, but Marty HAS to exist even in the new timeline, as he is the ultimate cause of the divergence. Granted, because of his changes to his parents past his new future may change. I.e. He might have a different birthday, be older/younger than he was in prime timeline, or even attend a different HS now (private instead of public) but he could still meet Jennifer in a different way. Regardles, it's all fun to think about.
Actually, this is explained by the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. This principle, proposed by Russian physicist Igor Dmitriyevich Novikov, suggests that if time travel were possible, any actions taken by a time traveler or any events resulting from time travel must be self-consistent. In other words, the universe would prevent paradoxes by ensuring that events unfold in a way that avoids contradictions. This principle implies that any attempt to alter the past would be inherently constrained by the laws of physics and the initial conditions, thereby preventing paradoxes like the famous "grandfather paradox." It's also one of the questions from the BTTF FAQ, related (read below): DOC BROWN OF 1955 LEARNS A LOT ABOUT THE FUTURE FROM MARTY. SHOULDN'T THE DOC OF 1985 REMEMBER ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN 1955? 3 possible answers, all credible. 1) The "Ripple Effect" of time travel (which caused all of the photographs to change) does not affect human memory. 2) The 1955 Doc suffered a memory loss sometime after his adventures with Marty (maybe it was from the drugs he took in the 60's as Reverend Jim!). 3) Doc actually did remember everything, but he still did all the same things he "remembered" because he didn't want to risk disrupting the space-time continuum. There's a 4th possibility which depends on your view of time travel. There's a theory (we like to call it the "Self-Preservation Instinct of the Space-Time Continuum Theory") that says that the continuum is always trying to keep itself "on course," and when things happen to change it, it always tries to correct itself. It is much like a river, which tries to keep its overall course. Although earthquakes, fallen trees, floods, or other circumstances might disrupt it at points, the river would cut a new channel so that it would end up back at the same place. Thus, the overall physics (or metaphysics) of the space-time continuum would insure that any of Doc's memories of events that might create paradoxes would become hazy - or be erased. -- About your points, they are 100% valid, because a delay in seconds or minutes would make sure Marty or his brothers didn't exist or were conceived at a different time. But these explanations account for that. Also check the Bootstrap Paradox, which explains why Doc's gun failed in the 1st movie against the lybians, because he fired them while saying "Vaya con Dios" to Marty going back to 1885.
This gives me an interesting idea for a sci-fi premise: a warlord of some kind who keeps a time-traveler in a cage and uses them as a bellwether of sorts to determine if their actions are beneficial or not (for example, Doc removes a part of the DeLorean in 1885, Marty disappears, Doc replaces the part, Marty reappears; "Well, I guess that won't work").
Possibly the mother of all paradoxes is when old Biff goes back in time. He changes the past so therefore, when he returns to the future he disappears because that version of him no longer exists - this in turn would surely cause that version of old Biff to never go back in time in the first place because he now no longer exists to do such a thing and if he never went back in time that version of old Biff likewise wouldn't disappear because his erasure from time relies on him going back in time in the first place! I think I may be looking too deeply into this!
Yes, the one thing I couldn't accept in the movies was Old Biff coming back from the past to his own future again, after having changed the past. Then Marty goes from the future to his own time, where everything is now changed by Old Biff changing the past. They go to the past and find out what Old Biff did. Doc then tells Marty that they can't return to the future again and stop Old Biff from going back, because that future is gone, just like Marty's own time.
@@1911marmonwasp Not as deeply as I have….Since Doc, Marty and Jennifer were still in 2015, that could have left a time corridor still open to that timeline sort of a temporal paradox/anchor. Biff went back, made the changes and then traveled back through that same corridor. (Wrote this in another post)
This is AN old Biff, but not the same old Biff that stole the DeLorean from this set of Doc and Marty. Similar to how Twin Pine Marty comes back to see Lone Pine Marty leave in the DeLorean.
By the same token, the first movie couldn't happen, since Marty went back in time and created a present where he'd had a different life, and ought therefore to have been a different person.
A couple of points. In at least one interview covered what happened to the alternate 2015 Biff. Lorraine found the gun and shot Biff, killing him which is why he's in so much pain before fading out in the deleted scene. Second, the point you mentioned about the Fluids being drained was actually covered, well partially. In the scene in the drive-through Doc points out he filled up the tank and put on new tires. An interview pointed out that 1885 Doc used the fluids he siphoned from the mothballed DeLorean in his experiments and ran out well before he wrote the letter.
@@robyee3325 And that old Biff still did it because it was the original Biff. BttF operates on the "alternate timeline" premise to prevent the paradox issue. It was the time flow catching up to Biff that occurs in the deleted scene.
In the commentary for that deleted scene, it's explained that in the alternate future, Lorraine shot Biff and that's why he dies so painfully. That ripple effect taking place as he exits the Delorean would explain the sudden pain and crying out. I also get confounded every time I hear someone say that a movie I loved most was the weakest one (not just referring to BTTF). Clearly my values in movies and entertainment are heavily different, if not unique.
CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG! So there are only 3 deloreans in part 2 because when WE watch it, doc had not traveled to 1885 yet. There is a timeline where there are 4 but we didnt see that timeline because we are watching it happen for the FIRST time, just like Marty wasnt in the first movie 2 times because when we watch the first movie, the second movie hasnt happend yet. Let me know what you think!
Edit: I can't complain without first mentioning how great these movies were. My girlfriend is averse to sci fi, but she loved the three Star Wars movies (there are only three) and the second and third Back to the Future. That's a high score. Now complaint: The one thing that was the hardest for me to accept was that Old Biff could return to his own future. "Future changes happen slowly" make no sense here. And right after that Marty goes back to his own time, where everything has already been changed by Young Biff having the sports scores.
It’s a bit of a stretch I’ll admit, but Old Biff took the book back to 1955 young Biff had to wait 3 years for his 21st birthday to first gamble with the book thus when old Biff returned from 1955 to 2015 it was instantaneous with slow effects having to catch up. When Doc and Marty return to 1985 the time line had 27 years to change and solidify into new 1985
Delorean is also at its peak in this movie and can fly. The final part of the movie where they bring 2015 technology to 1955 is my favorite of the trilogy.
This will blow your mind... the 2015 that Doc originally visited would be TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the 2015 that Doc, Marty & Jennifer go back to when Doc takes them there. That's because there would be no old Marty and no old Jennifer in 2015. They would have gone missing for 30 years. It would play out that way, because when Einstein took the maiden voyage in the first movie, he went 1 minute into the future. During that minute, he was missing until Doc & Marty caught up with him. Therefore, anyone going into the future wouldn't be able to live out their life up to that future point. So in 2015, Marty and Jennifer would have been missing for 30 years, and would therefore never have married and had kids. And if that's the case, what would have been the point of them being there to try to prevent Marty Jr. from getting arrested if Marty Jr. wouldn't exist?
I can't remember where I heard it, but apparently, the reason that old Biff dies after returning from 1955 is because in the hellish 1985 that he inadvertently created, Lorraine eventually killed him in an act of revenge.
Also consider how long 2015 Biff had the time machine. He knows what it does but now HOW. In my book I speculate that Biff might have had the time machine for a year or more before he figured out that you have to get the car up to 88 to travel through time. As long as he returns it at the moment he stole it, Biff can keep the car indefinitely. Theories like this make these movies so much fun. Look up Bruce Gordon's "The Other Marty McFly" from Starlog for another great perspective and theory.
Biff stole it . Why even return it . Who are they going to report it to ?. How would they ever stop him if they are stranded in 2015 ? Why even go back and give himself the book . Having a time machine is better than having money .
Actually, there is a marker text "SET TO 88" on the digital speedometer on top of the dashboard. So he could have figured out about the speed pretty soon. But so much more that is bound to have taken time.
There was an amazing project in the works a number of years ago, a movie called "Paradox", which they had even made a teaser trailer for, where we saw apparently Old Biff from 2015 locking up a shed where he had presumably locked up the DeLorean, leave the shed, and - drop the car keys to the ground. I have myself figured out a premise for how two guys could have borrowed the DeLorean if they in some strange way found one of its counterparts in November 55, and realized what it could do and how it worked. They have rented a garage for it previously. They go to the garage, one of them gets out, the other one goes one week back in time and parks the car in the garage. The other one continues into the garage one week later, where now the car is standing since a week back, and he drives it out, goes one week back in time and picks up the friend. They can now drive it back to Biff's hideaway, and will still have a counterpart in their rented garage. Voíla!
I loved the 2015 as shown in Part 2 as well... except for one thing. I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and deal with that traffic on a daily basis. Drivers are crazy enough in only two dimensions, I shudder to think what unfettered 3-dimensional driving would be like. And yep, petrol doesn't last that long. I have to drain my lawnmower at the end of every year's growing season, otherwise it will be real tough to get it going again the following spring.
Hello, Dave. Long time listener, first time caller. Car guy here... Gas doesnt go bad after 6 months, while it does lose its maximum potency, its still flammable for yrs to come and is fine to use in low compression engines, like the Citreon engine in the Delorean. While yes, he could have used the gas for another purpose, the REAL inconsistency here is that an engine stored for 70 yrs will simply lock up solid. The internals rust to itself, preventing the engine from turning over. The only way to fix this is to remove the engine and overhaul it which Doc did not do in part 3 in 1955. Nothing short of doing this would have made that car start, especially a low quality citreon engine that the deloreans were outfitted with.
It was used in the Citroen XM among others, but it was actually called the PRV engine for Peugeot, Renault and Volvo. They were the developers. (Peugeot owns Citroen since 1974.) The engine was introduced for the first time in the Volvo 264 in 1974, and shortly after in the Peugeot 604 and Renault 30. Another common name of the engine was the Douvrin V6 after the French town where the factory was.
The theft and destruction of the train in 3 would have caused major ripples in the timeline. That train would have transported thousands of people and goods all over the country. Now that has all been disrupted people not getting to destinations on time or not making a trip at all. Not to mention the time and resources that would have been spent to make a new train.
Yes. You can only explain away these things by introducing "destiny." That despite those disruptions things kind of order themselves as they should be, except for those who disrupted time hard enough to escape their destiny. (Marty in this case.) There's an anime series about time travel called Steins Gate that includes that concept; a series renowned for its very logical approach to the time travel in the story, provided you accept this premise.
@@Grasslander Destiny or the notion that the timeline auto-corrects itself. The idea of tying time into a knot and making it behave irrationally by intentionally causing paradoxes was explored by Terry Matalas' TV adaptation of 12 Monkeys. Apparently he's an anme fan, so he might have taken some inspiration from such concepts on time travel.
@@GrasslanderThe time "healing" effect is used in other stories. Time itself always "tries" to return to it's original state or the most logical and yet unchanged version, if it have to "accept" a change or paradox. 🤗
Ah, this is the first time ever I've seen someone else thinking about this. There were about four cars, though, I think there may have been maybe 30-50 people on board. And we know that "San Francisco is the end of the line", which is a further detail of casting Mary Steenburgen, thus mirroring the 1979 time travel movie "Time after time", where she played a 20th century woman meeting a time traveling H G Wells from the 19th century - and lived in San Francisco. But this was a HUGE change of history for the people on the train. All interactions they obviously did have with others on their destinations once they had arrived, which now never took place. And how this affected the people they would have met. And the people they would have met shortly after. This is a HEAVY paradox.
Personally, my favorite trilogy. Love these movies! I love the line Doc has at the end of the third one: "Your future is whatever you make it, so make it a good one!".
For the people who dont understand how Old Biff got back to his own time, old Biff got back to HIS time because at the time He traveled back, Young Biff didnt make any money yet and no "real" changes had been made so when he traveled back. thats when he died because the changes caught up with him (Loreane shooting him) The point from when you jump matters.
Honestly, to this day, I still think Back to the Future handled the concept of time travel better than any other story I've seen, either before _OR_ since... it manages to present some interesting questions, but doesn't make the mistake of becoming needlessly convoluted or disappearing up it's own backside like so many others - not too bad for a light-hearted comedy trilogy!
Markedly less comedy, but the film and TV adaptation of 12 Monkeys also do a rather good job with it. Though there are some real philosophical, moral, and logical questions there despite how well they managed to avoid overcomplicating things and staying consistent.
One screw up to the timeline, in part 2 when Biff traveled back to 55 to give his younger self the sports almanac, he returned to the exact 2015 from whence he left. Not possible.
I wouldn't call it the exact same one, it's on its way to catch up with everything that has been changed from 1955 on, which is why Biff is in pain, since he isn't alive anymore by this point of ime in the new timeline, and will soon be erased from existence.
I would say the first movie is a perfect movie. Front to back. The acting, story, concept, foreshadowing, execution… perfect. The second movie is my favorite. THAT is how you write a sequel! It is not as flawless as the first one but man, to visit the future, past, present, bizzaro present, and the 1800s. Hot damn I love it! The third is just fun time traveling in the old west. Great movies. My kids appreciate them too.
That you know of ;) lol I mean, if someone really did figure it out, why share it? Make the changes you want to history, be totally selfish, like say, governments might do with it hmmm...
People always ask why Marty and Doc are friends and how did they meet... well, we saw how they met at 1955, and I believe they've been friends ever since
In bttf 2 when biff steals the time machine. When biff returns he should be in the alternate reality of the new rich biff timeline, not the og timeline of Marty and doc.
Unless: Since Doc, Marty and Jennifer were still in 2015, that could have left a time corridor still open to that timeline sort of a temporal paradox/anchor. Biff went back, made the changes and then traveled back through that same corridor.
Pretty sure doc explains that, and says that they need to go back to the past in order to change it back to the original after Marty says let’s go to the moment he steals it.
Marty and doc should have never escaped 2015. When Biff traveled back from 1955 after delivering the sports almanac, he would have arrived in the dystopian future created by the time line split. Doc explained it on the chalkboard.
Here's my take on Back to the Future 2's inconsistency in the part were they travel to 2015... why would older versions of Marty and Jennifer exist (much less their kids) in 2015 when their 1985 versions skipped 30 years of aging life? That's like me from 2004 (23 then) jumping 20 years into 2024 (43 now) and somehow still witnessing my older self. If you were to skip 20-30 years going into the future... you're not suppose to age at all, and whatever life events you are suppose to have gone through in that 20-30 years should never have happened.
This goes back to the presupposition that they aren't technically missing from their own timeline because they're intending to return (or in Jennifer's case, Marty and Doc will return her to 1985). Narratively time travel is often carried along by intent on the part of the characters. It's the reason why the paradox of "invent time machine to change X, change X, no longer have reason to invent time travel amd therefore X is immutable" is a trope that goes back to HG Wells. BTTF cleverly avoided this problem in 1 by a couple means. First off, Marty didn't intend on going back to save Doc from being shot - he was just trying to escape the Libyans. Secondly, Marty thought he failed to warn Doc because the storm didn't allow him to and Doc tore up the letter. In Marty's mind, Doc's fate was sealed but it wasn't because Doc had a change of heart and took precautions. This shows that roundabout alterations to the timeline work and are dependent on what the characters intend on doing. As such, the group isn't planning to stay in 2015 and so the future that was in motion to occur is still intact. Incidentally, the character growth Marty experienced across all 3 films prevents him from getting in that car accident. Something Doc could have warned him about, but chose not to for fear of making it worse. The raw logic of "they left their original time, so the timeline should act as if they never returned" thus only applies if something happens to prevent them from returning. I think this sort of presupposition that time itself is somehow conscious and sentient in a way, only altering people and events in a ripple, was a big inspiration for works like 12 Monkeys. Which was quite brilliant as a closed-loop paradox in the film or one which could be broken in the series.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel I'll admit the final part in Part 3 where Marty avoids the car crash is a clever twist which was only hinted in Part 2. Definitely shows character growth in all 3 time travel adventures that Marty learned not to get duped when being called a "chicken." Also in Part 1, Doc got curious some years after tearing Marty's warning letter, by piecing it back together (amazingly), read it, and took it to heart & memory, and actually prepared for the Libyans come 1985, compared to his previous 1985 version. Overall, all 3 movies are no doubt very well made and well written.
To me, it's simple. As soon as we see Marty Jr downtown, we know that no matter how hard adventures we are about to see, Marty and Jennifer WILL return to 1985 and live to be there in 2015. Otherwise, we could have had Doc look and look after Marty Jr, and slowly realizing "uhm, Marty... you and Jennifer no longer exist here in 2015, so we got to bring you back home again before something really bad happens." The end. :D
I always look forward to getting round to watching Part II because it's the most interesting of the three. There are loads of things going on at once and visually it's actually quite stunning. I remember watching it as a kid looking forward to 2015. Boy, how disappointed was I!
What always bothered me was, Doc very intelligent, surely he knows the processes behind refining crude oil into gasoline. They would have been using crude at that point for other things.
I thought about the four DeLoreans as well. But I think based on the logic of time travel presented in the films, the fourth DeLorean does not appear in the mineshaft until the flying DeLorean is struck by lightning and is sent back to 1885. This is based on the premise that the time travel in the three films is not a closed loop, the timeline is constantly changing and we see the changes happening in "real time" with the images in pictures altering or Marty almost vanishing in the first film. Looking at events in this manner means that in the first movie Doc is killed by the Libyans at the beginning and there is no second Marty watching the action unfold. That only happens at the end of the film after the past has been altered and a new timeline has been created. This also means Goldie Wilson would have been Mayor anyway and Chuck Berry would still have written Johnny Be Good. I think it also means that the timeline Marty goes back to at the end of the third film is not the same altered timeline at the end of the first film, but another timeline that is essentially the same... maybe?
Something like that, yep. You're right about the number of DeLoreans. There are only three during the second movie, but after the lighning bolt, and the WU guy arriving with the letter, we are from now on in a timeline, where there were four DeLoreans during a big part of that Saturday.
One detail nobody mentions about time travel is that it also involves traveling across vast distances though space when you consider how fast the earth moves around the sun, and the sun around the galaxy, and the galaxy around its cluster and so on, it boggles the mind to think about that. How would you even calculate the exact position in time space you’d have to be in to successfully travel to the past???
marty surpised how doc could dance, while he himself was showing off killer moonwalk skills at the saloon. Wouldn't it be awesome if he moonwalked during the dance for everyone toe see and told the hill valley ancestors, hey that is something your future great grandkids are gonna like!
The biggest weakness of BTTF2 was using Michael J Fox to play multiple characters. There were great actors who all shone well in the movies and they should have had new ones to play his children. Using Fox was just a gimmick that distracted from the story.
There was a real easy way for Marty to get back to 1985 in Back to the future, if doc says he`s not going to build the Delorean in the future, when they meet in 1955, but then the movie would`nt happen.
At the end of part III, the Doc and Clara show up in 1985 in his steampunk time machine, along with his children and the dog, which was really cool. But I wonder if the Doc had further adventures...
I thought Biff disappears when he returns to 2015 was because him altering the past by making himself rich, he changed his destiny where he didn't live to be that old.
I thought in the deleted scene with Future Biff 𝘧𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨, it was because in the timeline he just created with the Alminac making his young self rich, Loraine shoots him sometime between 1985 and 2015; so rich young Biff never grows up to be rich old 2015 Biff. Another paradox btw since from young Biff's perspective, the Almanac came from a person and a world that will never come to exist.
Ive always heard people say 2 was the best and 3 was the weakest but I consider it all one movie. It flows perfectly if you watch them all back to back……………to the future. I think it’s the best sci-fi trilogy ever made
BTTF II is an action packed "act two" for the trilogy that fulfills everything the audience wants from the premise (to see the future, a dystopian timeline and something clever like revisting the first movie) it's vital to let us decompress for the excellent and more emotional part III
BTTF 2 is my favorite. For all the reasons you listed. The shiny bright future, the alternate timeline, and revisiting the first movie. It is jam packed with fun ideas and is just a great story
I have similar feelings regarding part 2. It seems to be a much darker, serious and adult oriented (including the humor) film, when compared to the other two.
We do see on 1 and 3 that after changing time the effects don't happen immediatly. But i think the reason that Marty remains the same is because if he were to dissapear then his altered present wouldn't happen in the first place since he is the reason his parents got together in the way that made this future possible. Based on that and that 2015 Biff dissapears after going back to an altered 2015 because in this new future he died earlier i assume you just "replace" your "new you" as long as you didn't prevented your birth/make yourself die at an earlier point in time.
The greatest paradox is how much better films were before 2015. Often with far less money.......
Nostalgia bias, other people say the same thing about movies made before 2001.
For a while, the left were in favour of meritocracy. Their arguments for equality were meritocratic ones. Equality of opportunity. Then they switched to 'equity', which is anti-meritocratic. Sometime around 2015 was when we got closest to meritocracy. We peaked.
It's only going to get worse as the old remnants of meritocracy are replaced. Especially given they don't need to be competent to access the bottomless pockets of Blackrock et al.
Though there's still plenty of room for a new meritocracy to emerge. It just won't be anywhere near as well funded.
@@glennross85 It's not nostalgia bias. There have been good films made since 2015 & poor films from before 2015, but the hit to miss ratio has gone wild the last few years. Plus at least the crappiest old films are sometimes inadvertently funny and don't actively hate the audience, unlike a lot of modern crap.
@@councilofkarens729 lol, little girl still thinks her opinion represents everyone, how precious
@@glennross85 What's precious is that you think your assessment matters to anyone with an IQ over 50. Move on little boy.
one of my favorite moment in Back to the Future 2 is when they had just landed in the future and Doc is quickly explaining what Marty needs to do. His watch suddenly starts beeping to which Doc is responding shocked and yells "DAMN!! I'M LAATEE!!!". It is such a ridiculous thing to say for someone that owns a time machine and it is details like these why I love this trilogy so much.
It happens in every movie even the first one when he almost gets run over by his own time machine when it reappears after the first experiment
@@NitpickingNerd I agree. But in this particular instance, it is just the impossibility for a time traveller to ever be late. How can you ever be late when you can just travel directly to the desired point in time? Just shows how confused Doc is at times
@@herrsan Depends on the time Machine really. in this case the Time Machine has to be moving at 88 MPH in order to time travel through time. This means you can't just jump back a few minuets easily as you need to account for travel time and local paradoxes of running into yourself or even crashing into the time machine. With the Delorean time machine you have to use rough time for your target events and aim to be early. Doc's aim in this event would up being late for his target event.
Is it possible Doc wanted to limit the possibility that them being in 2015 would have negative consequences, being there for as limited time as possible would reduce the chance of changing the future in a negative manner. The time they are in 2015 is of course too long as it is, as it is enough time for Jennifer to be taken away and encounter her future self and most importantly it is enough time for Biff to find the almanac. I'm guessing Doc wanted to get Marty to 2015 at the exact moment to reject Biff then get back to 1985 ASAP!
@NitpickingNerd If you think about Doc Emmett Brown was willing to commit suicide if his Time Travel Experiment at The JC PENNY'S PARKING LOT FAILED. Think about it He'd gone COMPLETELY BANKRUPT sinking his ENTIRE FAMILY FORTUNE into his time travel experiment. EVEN MORE DARK He was willing to take Marty with him. Notice how he grabs Marty by the arm really hard and prevents him from moving out of the way of The DeLorean as it was speeding towards them. Many people write it off as Doc Brown wanting to ensure Marty got the entire experiment on film. Which is true since the experiment ultimately succeeded But what if it FAILED Doc was willing to have his brains splattered all over the JC PENNYS PARKING LOT and he was willing to take Marty with him
This trilogy presents never-ending thought experiments.
Yes, like: Have they fixed dentistry in the sci-fi future so you can drink Coke to your heart's content? And can you eat calories without getting fat? (A movie that includes that would be quite popular.)
And the never answered question: why didn't old Biff go to an alternative 2015, going back to the same regular 2015 he left before?
@@Matthew_Paul That's an extremely good point i never noticed before, and that type of time travel would make tmore sense narratively, but BTTF's time travel is built on plot convenience, and whimsy. It's less about trying to be an accurate working model.
At the end of the day Marty and Doc needed the delorean back, or the events of the movie couldn't happen. They'd effectively be stranded. Unless you conclude the ripples in time take that long to take effect. Which that deleted scene would suggest, and thats how he was able to come back. It doesn't really make sense why he'd come back at all though. He's only bringing them back the machine that gives them the ability to erase the changes he just made, and to let them know it was him that made them, but I guess Biff is far from a brilliant strategist. Even if they were stranded, Doc could i assume build another working time machine from 2015 tech.
Anyway, once biff made the change would the world change around Marty and Doc immediately? Or, would the current timeline still exist for them as an alternate timeline until you left it. I think the time travel explained in the movie is more linear. It's not a machine able to travel to parallel dimensions or back to old timelines. Once somethings changed, its done, once someones gone somewhere they're there now. Unless you go back and stop them.
Why didn't 2015 change around them though? Because thats the time travel explained in the film. Or better yet, why didn't they disappear too. Like Marty started to in bttf1. Again it's plot convenience to give Marty time to act like he did in the first film. In the mechanics of its own time travel hypothesis, the change would take effect immediately. There wouldn't be this slow disappearing. Even though for Biff the change was just made, for Marty and Doc the change was made in the distant past. They shouldn't be there at all.
I doubt you could conclude that Marty and Doc team up in every timeline, or that doc creates the machine in every timeline. So they shouldn't be there to find biffs cane in the 1st place. Then you go down the road of: well if biff changed the past, how was he able to travel to the past to begin with, because the future that needed to exist to give him that option doesn't exist anymore.
Anyway BTTF is a classic, but its premise unravels if you attempt to pull on those plot threads. Which i guess most time travel stories have the potential of falling into, but BTTF is probably on the weaker end of a working model comparatively.
Back to the future 2 was a masterpiece 👌
Except the original Gal was far hotter than Elizabeth Shue.
Better than part 1?
We AIN'T gonna be terrorized!
I hold the first film in high regard but as a kid I watched the 2nd film the most because of how wacky and dark and complex it is. Keeps your rewatching it to catch all the things in it.
First one was a masterpiece, but the second one is very fun and more dramatic than the other two. The third has a similar formula to the first one
BTTF2 was always my favorite. Lord please protect these movies from ever being "revisited". 🙏
Highest of Gods, prevent them being "reimagined"
You can ignore remakes ya know
@@CaveFreediving I've not watched a movie made befoe 2014 since ...2014. Thanks for the tip!
Its already being revisited sadly. They are talking of casting Melissa McCarthy as the Doc and the Asian guy from the recent spiderman films who was Flash being cast as Biff...
@@mitchellw7118 Something else they put out i have to ignore and not give them money.
Doc even mentions in Part III that he put gas in the tank of the DeLorean before Marty goes back to 1885. It's a 'blink and you'll miss it' line.
Doc: "Okay, I think we're about ready. I put gas in the tank, your
future clothes are packed, just in case fresh batteries for your
walkie-talkies. Oh, and what about that floating device?"
Marty: "Hoverboard."
"You gotta wear the boots! You can't wear those futuristic thing back in 1885, you shouldn't even be wearing them here in 1955" But yeah, sure take the hover board 🤣🤣
Yes but that is the gas that gets leaked....isn't it?
@@chuck1804I believe that point that was being made is that the DeLorean was stored in the mine without gas, that Doc likely drained the fluids from it for such a long term.
God I miss the 80s.
😢 Xennial and gen x get you!
Kid eyes aren't always reliable.
@@mattstorm6568 I guess an increasingly bigger ratio of zoomers who'd rather watch old media over current stuff aren't a reliable metric to the current state of entertainment.
This Gen' Y agrees. The '80's were awesome, and its cultural produce still is 😌👌
Me too. 😔
Fun facts: Parts 2 and 3 were filmed back to back, with only a 4 week break between the wrap of part 2, and the beginning of filming for part 3. The total production costs for all three movies were around 100 million $$ (not including the compensation for Crispin Glover's lawsuit), and even with the declining profits of each sequel compared to the original, the trilogy still made nearly 1 billion $$ combined, in theaters worldwide. So that's almost 10X, not including profits from merchandising and home video releases.
Meanwhile the acolyte costs 22,500,000 per all 8 episodes.
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Bargain
@@Thomasmemoryscentral And the Acolyte will be forgotten in a year or two. While the Back To to the Future franchise continues to be a staple in American movie history.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral
Think you mean $22.5m per episode, $180m in total. Not $22.5m in total.
Please don't encourage DEI to go after this series. You're giving them ideas.
GREAT SCOTT!!!! I'm on time. Back in time even.
Old Biff didn't disappear because he became a different person. In the directors comentary they state that he was killed by Lorraine before then, so he didn't exist.
Regarding the paradox of using parts from the buried Delorean to repair the one Marty used to go back to 1885, it makes one ask about the Bill and Ted scenario "dont forget the trash can" scene. Doc and Marty would take inventory of what parts they use and leave that in the note for their future selves. Then again time travel movies bring up all sorts of paradoxes, loop holes, and questions.
Bill & Ted uses different time travel rules than BTTF. It also takes it way less seriously.
In 12 Monkeys time is immutable, despite being a time travel movie. What happened, happened.
And still, the movie writers put some paradoxes on purpose in it, like things that happens in the future influencing events in the past.
It's very interesting.
I've been saying for years that there was 4 Deloreans on that day. This video is just what we needed.
yes you and many other people
No, there are not four DeLorean’s in 1955, at least not the first time Doc and Marty go back to 1955 to retrieve the almanac. The DeLorean in the mine only appears after Doc is struck by the bolt of lightning and send back to 1885. Because before that event happen the timeline hasn’t been altered previous to 1955.
@@Astrotrain78 It's debatable because the movies are not fully consistent in how they treat time.
@@kobayashimaru8114 No. It’s very consistent. Since the first movie it’s stablished that things happened for the first time when the timeline is altered. That’s why Maty’s family are losers at the beginning of BTTF 1 and they only improve after Marty changes the past.
@@Astrotrain78 Yeah, I'm not sure there are 4 at the one time. Four at varying times? Sure.
Back to the Future Trilogy is awesome. Yes, I even love the third one.
Exactly my point. The 3rd one is the black sheep, not the 2nd one
If you don't love it, you're a yellow-bellied pie slinger.
I enjoy the 3rd movie as well. Even more so than the first 2.
When I was younger, 2 was my favorite and 3 was my least favorite. Now 1 is my favorite, 3 is second, 2 is least
When you look at the characterization of Doc and Marty in the third, you quickly realize that their roles are reversed from the previous movies. Doc is the childish one acting on impulses while Marty is the one pushing them towards their final goal of going back to the future. They even reverse each other's iconic lines, "Great Scott" and "this is heavy" to emphasize this. It was a perfect way to end each of their character arcs and is honestly the best of the three because of that.
Being critized for "being to complicated"
fits very well in our "idi0crazy" of society!
👍
They don't even try to use a fraction of their 🧠
@@OneofInfinity. fun fact:
In the 90s, German spelling was officially changed throughout all German-speaking countries because it had become too "difficult" for most students.
Words were changed and simplified, but the problem was not spelling, but the steadily declining IQ...
Bif disappearing in Back to the Future 2 should have been kept in the film.
If you watch and listen to the documentary on the deleted scenes on the DVD set from 2002 which I have. Biff disappeared in the future, due to Lorraine shooting and killing him at some point before 2015. Pretty heavy stuff!
@@atranfanaticyea thats what a lot of people didnt like about bttf 2 is that it had some really dark stuff, but i have no problem with it. In fact wouldn't mind some new time travel movies by some great writers/directors like Paul Thomas Anderson or Quentin
Agree.
I always thought he just hit himself in the balls getting out of the car.
I think it makes more sense to have it. Whilst the audience can already tell him using the machine is a bad thing, it sends even worse signals if he begins to disappear. That implies that he’s done something really bad to mess up the timeline.
There is a theory that Back To the Future was a documentary, not a fictional movie. Bif really did destroy the future. That's why everything after the 80s sucks now.
Tom Wilson's performance was awesome, but the resemblance of the Biff character to Chump is actually pretty uncanny. Changing the future via lies, deceit, boolsheet, daddy's money, and manipulation, eh? DEEEFFFINITELY sounds familiar. 😂
Paradoxes aside, it was a fun romp back when movies were designed to entertain, and not simply propagate "The Message" TM.
There were two female cops in 2015. One was black. They were always pushing "The Message"
Right.. like how BTTF 2 literally has a Donald trump inspired character used to illustrate a possible dark alternate 1985 where Americas worst social political and corporate impulses are fully realized, creating a very familiar dystopic society founded on greed and oppression… no message there at all
Around the time II was released, I had subscribed to the Back to the Future Fan Club, which put out several issues of a magazine. As a freebie, they sent me a postcard of a painting. It was Marty and Doc riding the DeLorean in 1885 with horses pulling it. Years later, 2013, I think, I took it with me to a DeLorean car show in Dayton, OH where Bob Gail signed the card for me. He was the nicest guy, too. I realized I missed a great chance to ask him anything I wanted to about the scripts he wrote, but I chose to thank him instead. Such a wonderful series of films. I hope, like the DeLorean in a mine, the franchise stays undisturbed for decades to come. It never ever could benefit from a reboot. They nailed it the first time
Nobody ever mentions that Marty never went back to his actual timeline, or the shenanigans that could happen when Doc prevented Clara from dying.
Sure they did. When they’re riding back to town Doc says, “Clara Clayton almost fell down Clayton Ravine, GREAT SCOTT…” and Marty says, “So they don’t name the ravine after her.” And notice at the end it’s called Eastwood Ravine.”
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That could change a whole lot of other things they just gloss over for a happy ending.
Not mentioning all the people on the train. In the original timeline that train managed to leave the area and the passengers reached their destinations, just according to the time table. When Doc and Marty "borrowed" the locomotive loads of history changed for all these people who now got stranted in Hill Valley until the next train to San Francisco, probably a few days later. Every interactions they had with other people on their destinations now never occurred, making for differences for all those people that people from the train would have interacted with. And the people they would have interacted with, and so on.
This would be a completely unforeseeable mess of total change of history in northern California at least. And in the BTTF Universe it's not like "time" tries to adjust to the normal course of history, like in 11.22.63 or so.
This is one heck of paradox not many others seem to have discovered, not the least the Bobs..
WE GOTTA GET THIS DELOREAN UP TO 88 MILES AN HOUR
so damn iconic if i ever get to drive a Delorean you bet your ass that's the first thing I'm doing
One quibble, when Biff returned to the future, he would have become the Biff of 2015 the same as Marty become the new Marty of 1985 with the passive Biff. That deleted scene means only one thing, in 2015, Biff was dead. Since Biff was alive in the original 1985, it means that the 2015 Biff returned to was the future of the dark 1985 timeline. The non-canon BTTF comics indicated the Lorraine shot dark 1985 Biff and used his money to rebuild Hill Valley. The reason Doc and Marty didn't notice things changed was the same reason why Marty's family didn't notice the timeline change....the timeline changed around them.
It was also an idea for the film, to shoot "Trump" Biff, but Zameckis rejected it.
@@thomasnieswandt8805trash comment.
when old biff went back to the future after giving himself the book in 1955 he should have went to the alt timeline future as Marty had done twice as he had altered his future from that point . He should have never made it back there and Marty and doc would have been stuck there . why did biff go back there and give them the time machine back . What a bonehead .
yeah if Biff disappeared after changing his past in 2, then Marty probably should have disappeared at the end of 1.
@@Chadleyization I suppose causality might explain it . Marty was always destined to repair the damaged time line in what would be his future no matter the time period ha was in hence he did not fade away but it was touch and go and biff was able to travel back to his original time line because Marty was always destined to repair the time line but then that would make the alt hell 1985 non existent as well . If biff caused the alt 1985 in 55 when he went back to give the book to himself he should not be able to travel back to his original 2015 timeline from then unless he travels to 2015 from a point in time before he gave himself the book . but that would not benefit him an any way as he would only make the biff in the alt 2015 rich not himself .
Actually, the reason Biff is in such pain and starts disappearing is that he's dead in that timeline. Apparently, Lorraine finds out at some point that Biff was the one who killed George, so she kills him in retaliation by shooting him through the heart. Hence why old man Biff is clutching his chest when he starts disappearing.
BTTF II was one of my earliest VHS experiences and III one of my earliest memories in cinema movie theater... Is THE one trilogy I wish Hollywood would never touch, reimagine, red con, revisit..
Hopefully they are not stupid enough (yet) to gender swap Marty, that would be cringe as hell.
Gale and Zemeckis retained the rights and have gone on record saying they absolutely refuse to allow any studio to touch the movies while they're alive.
They did give their blessings to the Telltale BTTF game which was very well written and nicely fills the niche of a BTTF 4. Christopher Lloyd and a few other actors actually returned to voice their characters but sadly Fox only had a cameo due to declining health, though they found a great sound alike.
I wish they made movies like these again. Original story with original ideas.
We have HG Wells to thank for bringing time travel into the genre.
Honestly. Doc comes back at the end of the first film to tell Marty and Jennifer that their kids are in trouble in the future.
But, who cares?
They had 40 years to prepare to fix it later. There was ZERO reason to take a time machine to 2015, to fix someone else's problem. Just be aware of it, and fix it when it happens in YOUR OWN TIMELINE.
Duuuuuuur.
When they made that ending there was no intention of making sequels.
After the huge success of the film they started writing a script for a sequel, and they had to pick up where they left off.
Films 2 and 3 were written as a single script for a single film, but they realized it would be too long and split it into two films.
Nope.
I want adventure!
So glad that Robert Zemeckis was admant that they can't reboot Back To The Future. I'm sure that the film makers would make a lot of money from it too! The original trilogy were perfect!
Yes. Especially since we know they'd include The Message, as the Critical Drinker would call it, as much as possible in the story.
No reboots and no sequels. We do have a video game and a cartoon though.
@battra92 That point and click game was fantastic.😊
@@Canibar13 The Telltale one was basically BTTF 4. It was perhaps a bit much to include Marty's GRANDparents in the whole storyline, too but still a good story.
You simply cannot do BTTF without Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd as they were back in the 80s. The characters are just tied too closely to who they were at that moment in time.
When this inevitably gets remade, it'll be a tragedy.
In the remake, Marty is Martha -a BIPOC activist who travels back to the 1950s to battle racism & LGBTQIA+ discrimination.
I hope Robert Zemeckis will live forever.
He said no remakes or reboots till he is alive.
@@Tom_Kowalczuk I just hope he gets better successors than professor Tolkien...
@@landline00 🤢🤮
@@Tom_Kowalczuk That explains why we haven't seen a remake yet, BttF is too big a stone to leave unturned by the modern industry for this long.
I've read that for the deleted scene in Back to the future 2 Biff dies because Lorraine ends up shooting him in the alternate timeline. There's also a comic that explains how Biff got as powerful as he did called Biff to The Future.
Yeah I heard that in 1996 Lorraine found out that Biff shot George, so Lorraine shot Biff. So even though Biff became rich and powerful by going back and giving himself the sport's almanac, he lived a shorter life.
The paradoxes don't ruin the movies because they tried to write a smart movie. Paradoxes/plot holes happen in films these days is because they don't even try. I've also always had a soft spot for BTTF 2 hell might have been my favourite one. One of the best soundtracks of any movie series. How far we have fallen. Somedays you wished for own Almanac from the future. I swear the 90s and 80s feel like a different universe.
Still waiting for flying cars and jaws 19 😢
And actual hoverboards 🙄
It's ironic that the last Jaws movie when BttF2 was made is still the last Jaws movie, 35 years later. We haven't even gotten 1 more sequel since, much less 15 of them.
The shark still looks fake. 😊
Though, we could count this as prescience of Sharknado movies.
@@SyntheToonz BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🦈🌀
No more Jaws
It's not the weaker of the three, it's the best of the three.
I hold the first film in high regard but as a kid I watched the 2nd film the most because of how wacky and dark and complex it is. It keeps you rewatching it to catch all the things in it. So many times I watched it I found something new that I missed the previous watches of it.
Amazing time capsule of a trilogy from an amazing time period of cinema (1930s-2000s).
The one thing I’ve never understood about Back to the Future, and it’s in regards to the picture and the disappearance of Marty’s Brother and Sister. Shouldn’t the photo disappear? And not just the family members? Afterall the sole reason for the photo to be taken is that they have a family. If they no longer exists, why would the photo still be taken of any empty backyard? Also, If you go back in time and change events, you won’t be affected as you aren’t within the time frame of which was changed, in essence you won’t succumb to the effects of the change, So the Grandfather paradox isn’t really a paradox at all.
The picture itself and everything in it as object aren’t outside their timeline. Whoever took the photo then just took a pic of the back yard.
BTTF is one of my favorite trilogies, BTTF 2 is my favorite of the trilogy
All's I know is, they were fun and dam good films.
One of the biggest paradoxes never mentioned, George and Lorraine have 3 kids in the original timeline, all conceived at a specific moment in history. Even though Marty fixed their relationship and they fell in love in the new timeline.....Well, their lives would be completely different, George knocked out Biff, becomes popular and confident, goes to parties, has new opportunities in life. You see where this is going? Sure, they get married, but the odds of conceiving the same 3 children at the same exact moment in time is 0%. Marty saved his folks, but ultimately, he still isn't getting born.
I'm a big BTTF fan though, love the films, and granted, this is taking paradoxical thinking a bit far. Still true though.
This might apply to Marty's siblings sure, but Marty HAS to exist even in the new timeline, as he is the ultimate cause of the divergence.
Granted, because of his changes to his parents past his new future may change. I.e. He might have a different birthday, be older/younger than he was in prime timeline, or even attend a different HS now (private instead of public) but he could still meet Jennifer in a different way.
Regardles, it's all fun to think about.
Actually, this is explained by the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. This principle, proposed by Russian physicist Igor Dmitriyevich Novikov, suggests that if time travel were possible, any actions taken by a time traveler or any events resulting from time travel must be self-consistent. In other words, the universe would prevent paradoxes by ensuring that events unfold in a way that avoids contradictions. This principle implies that any attempt to alter the past would be inherently constrained by the laws of physics and the initial conditions, thereby preventing paradoxes like the famous "grandfather paradox." It's also one of the questions from the BTTF FAQ, related (read below):
DOC BROWN OF 1955 LEARNS A LOT ABOUT THE FUTURE FROM MARTY. SHOULDN'T THE DOC OF 1985 REMEMBER ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN 1955?
3 possible answers, all credible.
1) The "Ripple Effect" of time travel (which caused all of the photographs to change) does not affect human memory.
2) The 1955 Doc suffered a memory loss sometime after his adventures with Marty (maybe it was from the drugs he took in the 60's as Reverend Jim!).
3) Doc actually did remember everything, but he still did all the same things he "remembered" because he didn't want to risk disrupting the space-time continuum.
There's a 4th possibility which depends on your view of time travel. There's a theory (we like to call it the "Self-Preservation Instinct of the Space-Time Continuum Theory") that says that the continuum is always trying to keep itself "on course," and when things happen to change it, it always tries to correct itself. It is much like a river, which tries to keep its overall course. Although earthquakes, fallen trees, floods, or other circumstances might disrupt it at points, the river would cut a new channel so that it would end up back at the same place. Thus, the overall physics (or metaphysics) of the space-time continuum would insure that any of Doc's memories of events that might create paradoxes would become hazy - or be erased.
-- About your points, they are 100% valid, because a delay in seconds or minutes would make sure Marty or his brothers didn't exist or were conceived at a different time. But these explanations account for that. Also check the Bootstrap Paradox, which explains why Doc's gun failed in the 1st movie against the lybians, because he fired them while saying "Vaya con Dios" to Marty going back to 1885.
@@-Perenei always go with option 3 he kept his mouth shut and ensured the future would happen
This is kind of what happens to the protagonist in the movie "About time". When he travels back in time to before his first kid has been born.
This gives me an interesting idea for a sci-fi premise: a warlord of some kind who keeps a time-traveler in a cage and uses them as a bellwether of sorts to determine if their actions are beneficial or not (for example, Doc removes a part of the DeLorean in 1885, Marty disappears, Doc replaces the part, Marty reappears; "Well, I guess that won't work").
That’s horrific. Great premise for a slow burn action/horror thriller.
@@ab5olut3zero95or an episode of Rick and Morty
Possibly the mother of all paradoxes is when old Biff goes back in time. He changes the past so therefore, when he returns to the future he disappears because that version of him no longer exists - this in turn would surely cause that version of old Biff to never go back in time in the first place because he now no longer exists to do such a thing and if he never went back in time that version of old Biff likewise wouldn't disappear because his erasure from time relies on him going back in time in the first place! I think I may be looking too deeply into this!
Yes, the one thing I couldn't accept in the movies was Old Biff coming back from the past to his own future again, after having changed the past. Then Marty goes from the future to his own time, where everything is now changed by Old Biff changing the past. They go to the past and find out what Old Biff did. Doc then tells Marty that they can't return to the future again and stop Old Biff from going back, because that future is gone, just like Marty's own time.
@@1911marmonwasp Not as deeply as I have….Since Doc, Marty and Jennifer were still in 2015, that could have left a time corridor still open to that timeline sort of a temporal paradox/anchor. Biff went back, made the changes and then traveled back through that same corridor.
(Wrote this in another post)
This is AN old Biff, but not the same old Biff that stole the DeLorean from this set of Doc and Marty. Similar to how Twin Pine Marty comes back to see Lone Pine Marty leave in the DeLorean.
By the same token, the first movie couldn't happen, since Marty went back in time and created a present where he'd had a different life, and ought therefore to have been a different person.
A couple of points. In at least one interview covered what happened to the alternate 2015 Biff. Lorraine found the gun and shot Biff, killing him which is why he's in so much pain before fading out in the deleted scene. Second, the point you mentioned about the Fluids being drained was actually covered, well partially. In the scene in the drive-through Doc points out he filled up the tank and put on new tires. An interview pointed out that 1885 Doc used the fluids he siphoned from the mothballed DeLorean in his experiments and ran out well before he wrote the letter.
He went back to 1955 though to give the almanac to high school biff.
@@robyee3325 And that old Biff still did it because it was the original Biff. BttF operates on the "alternate timeline" premise to prevent the paradox issue. It was the time flow catching up to Biff that occurs in the deleted scene.
@@lordlundar you just said Lorraine shot him but how would Lorraine shoot him in 1955 after giving the almanac to high school biff?
@@robyee3325 1985a Lorraine shot 1985a Biff. The readjusted timeline didn't catch up to 2015 Biff until he got back.
@@lordlundar oh I get it now
Chief O'Brien on Deep Space 9 was faced with a similar situation once. His response: "I hate temporal mechanics!" I totally understand him. 🤪🧠💨
In the commentary for that deleted scene, it's explained that in the alternate future, Lorraine shot Biff and that's why he dies so painfully. That ripple effect taking place as he exits the Delorean would explain the sudden pain and crying out.
I also get confounded every time I hear someone say that a movie I loved most was the weakest one (not just referring to BTTF). Clearly my values in movies and entertainment are heavily different, if not unique.
I assumed it was the effects of his new unhealthy lifestyle catching up with him - all the drinking, smoking, etc.
CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG! So there are only 3 deloreans in part 2 because when WE watch it, doc had not traveled to 1885 yet. There is a timeline where there are 4 but we didnt see that timeline because we are watching it happen for the FIRST time, just like Marty wasnt in the first movie 2 times because when we watch the first movie, the second movie hasnt happend yet. Let me know what you think!
Exactly!
Edit: I can't complain without first mentioning how great these movies were. My girlfriend is averse to sci fi, but she loved the three Star Wars movies (there are only three) and the second and third Back to the Future. That's a high score. Now complaint: The one thing that was the hardest for me to accept was that Old Biff could return to his own future. "Future changes happen slowly" make no sense here. And right after that Marty goes back to his own time, where everything has already been changed by Young Biff having the sports scores.
It’s a bit of a stretch I’ll admit, but Old Biff took the book back to 1955 young Biff had to wait 3 years for his 21st birthday to first gamble with the book thus when old Biff returned from 1955 to 2015 it was instantaneous with slow effects having to catch up. When Doc and Marty return to 1985 the time line had 27 years to change and solidify into new 1985
I just watched Back to the Future 3 with my son. Who was born in 2015 about a month before the events of the film period. His mind was blown
Back to the Future II is my favorite. We get to see the past, present AND future. Its great and the best IMO
Delorean is also at its peak in this movie and can fly. The final part of the movie where they bring 2015 technology to 1955 is my favorite of the trilogy.
This will blow your mind... the 2015 that Doc originally visited would be TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the 2015 that Doc, Marty & Jennifer go back to when Doc takes them there. That's because there would be no old Marty and no old Jennifer in 2015. They would have gone missing for 30 years. It would play out that way, because when Einstein took the maiden voyage in the first movie, he went 1 minute into the future. During that minute, he was missing until Doc & Marty caught up with him. Therefore, anyone going into the future wouldn't be able to live out their life up to that future point. So in 2015, Marty and Jennifer would have been missing for 30 years, and would therefore never have married and had kids. And if that's the case, what would have been the point of them being there to try to prevent Marty Jr. from getting arrested if Marty Jr. wouldn't exist?
I can't remember where I heard it, but apparently, the reason that old Biff dies after returning from 1955 is because in the hellish 1985 that he inadvertently created, Lorraine eventually killed him in an act of revenge.
Also consider how long 2015 Biff had the time machine. He knows what it does but now HOW. In my book I speculate that Biff might have had the time machine for a year or more before he figured out that you have to get the car up to 88 to travel through time. As long as he returns it at the moment he stole it, Biff can keep the car indefinitely. Theories like this make these movies so much fun. Look up Bruce Gordon's "The Other Marty McFly" from Starlog for another great perspective and theory.
Biff stole it . Why even return it . Who are they going to report it to ?. How would they ever stop him if they are stranded in 2015 ? Why even go back and give himself the book . Having a time machine is better than having money .
Actually, there is a marker text "SET TO 88" on the digital speedometer on top of the dashboard. So he could have figured out about the speed pretty soon. But so much more that is bound to have taken time.
There was an amazing project in the works a number of years ago, a movie called "Paradox", which they had even made a teaser trailer for, where we saw apparently Old Biff from 2015 locking up a shed where he had presumably locked up the DeLorean, leave the shed, and - drop the car keys to the ground.
I have myself figured out a premise for how two guys could have borrowed the DeLorean if they in some strange way found one of its counterparts in November 55, and realized what it could do and how it worked.
They have rented a garage for it previously. They go to the garage, one of them gets out, the other one goes one week back in time and parks the car in the garage. The other one continues into the garage one week later, where now the car is standing since a week back, and he drives it out, goes one week back in time and picks up the friend. They can now drive it back to Biff's hideaway, and will still have a counterpart in their rented garage. Voíla!
They are all three great films
I loved the 2015 as shown in Part 2 as well... except for one thing.
I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and deal with that traffic on a daily basis. Drivers are crazy enough in only two dimensions, I shudder to think what unfettered 3-dimensional driving would be like.
And yep, petrol doesn't last that long. I have to drain my lawnmower at the end of every year's growing season, otherwise it will be real tough to get it going again the following spring.
Hello, Dave. Long time listener, first time caller. Car guy here... Gas doesnt go bad after 6 months, while it does lose its maximum potency, its still flammable for yrs to come and is fine to use in low compression engines, like the Citreon engine in the Delorean. While yes, he could have used the gas for another purpose, the REAL inconsistency here is that an engine stored for 70 yrs will simply lock up solid. The internals rust to itself, preventing the engine from turning over. The only way to fix this is to remove the engine and overhaul it which Doc did not do in part 3 in 1955. Nothing short of doing this would have made that car start, especially a low quality citreon engine that the deloreans were outfitted with.
People have literally resurrected 90 year old cars that have been sitting in a field in the elements. You can find countless videos online
@@SilentCheechGaming1991 not without serious machine work they havent. Restored? yes, but simply tried to start with fresh fluids? absolutely not
It was used in the Citroen XM among others, but it was actually called the PRV engine for Peugeot, Renault and Volvo. They were the developers. (Peugeot owns Citroen since 1974.) The engine was introduced for the first time in the Volvo 264 in 1974, and shortly after in the Peugeot 604 and Renault 30. Another common name of the engine was the Douvrin V6 after the French town where the factory was.
The theft and destruction of the train in 3 would have caused major ripples in the timeline. That train would have transported thousands of people and goods all over the country. Now that has all been disrupted people not getting to destinations on time or not making a trip at all.
Not to mention the time and resources that would have been spent to make a new train.
Yes. You can only explain away these things by introducing "destiny." That despite those disruptions things kind of order themselves as they should be, except for those who disrupted time hard enough to escape their destiny. (Marty in this case.) There's an anime series about time travel called Steins Gate that includes that concept; a series renowned for its very logical approach to the time travel in the story, provided you accept this premise.
@@Grasslander Destiny or the notion that the timeline auto-corrects itself. The idea of tying time into a knot and making it behave irrationally by intentionally causing paradoxes was explored by Terry Matalas' TV adaptation of 12 Monkeys. Apparently he's an anme fan, so he might have taken some inspiration from such concepts on time travel.
New trains made all the time. So not a big difference
@@GrasslanderThe time "healing" effect is used in other stories. Time itself always "tries" to return to it's original state or the most logical and yet unchanged version, if it have to "accept" a change or paradox. 🤗
Ah, this is the first time ever I've seen someone else thinking about this. There were about four cars, though, I think there may have been maybe 30-50 people on board. And we know that "San Francisco is the end of the line", which is a further detail of casting Mary Steenburgen, thus mirroring the 1979 time travel movie "Time after time", where she played a 20th century woman meeting a time traveling H G Wells from the 19th century - and lived in San Francisco.
But this was a HUGE change of history for the people on the train. All interactions they obviously did have with others on their destinations once they had arrived, which now never took place. And how this affected the people they would have met. And the people they would have met shortly after. This is a HEAVY paradox.
Personally, my favorite trilogy. Love these movies! I love the line Doc has at the end of the third one: "Your future is whatever you make it, so make it a good one!".
Totally agree these movies are the best. Have rewatched them multiple times.
"I hate temporal mechanics" - Chief O'Briens
I thought Biff disappeared in the deleted scene because Lorraine killed him prior to 2015
By illustrating the various timeline Deloreans you’re setting up the reboot you know
How?
For the people who dont understand how Old Biff got back to his own time, old Biff got back to HIS time because at the time He traveled back, Young Biff didnt make any money yet and no "real" changes had been made so when he traveled back. thats when he died because the changes caught up with him (Loreane shooting him) The point from when you jump matters.
As a kid, seeing that hoverboard in action in the 2nd film was one of the coolest feelings.
Honestly, to this day, I still think Back to the Future handled the concept of time travel better than any other story I've seen, either before _OR_ since... it manages to present some interesting questions, but doesn't make the mistake of becoming needlessly convoluted or disappearing up it's own backside like so many others - not too bad for a light-hearted comedy trilogy!
Markedly less comedy, but the film and TV adaptation of 12 Monkeys also do a rather good job with it. Though there are some real philosophical, moral, and logical questions there despite how well they managed to avoid overcomplicating things and staying consistent.
Rewatched on Netflix can’t believe how compelling and WATCHABLE these movies still are - a decently executed story will always have legs
One screw up to the timeline, in part 2 when Biff traveled back to 55 to give his younger self the sports almanac, he returned to the exact 2015 from whence he left. Not possible.
I wouldn't call it the exact same one, it's on its way to catch up with everything that has been changed from 1955 on, which is why Biff is in pain, since he isn't alive anymore by this point of ime in the new timeline, and will soon be erased from existence.
FINALLY someone that get's it! Thank you Mr Dave sir!
I would say the first movie is a perfect movie. Front to back. The acting, story, concept, foreshadowing, execution… perfect.
The second movie is my favorite. THAT is how you write a sequel! It is not as flawless as the first one but man, to visit the future, past, present, bizzaro present, and the 1800s. Hot damn I love it! The third is just fun time traveling in the old west. Great movies. My kids appreciate them too.
Steins gate is way better
Time travel is always tricky, but we never figure it out.
How do we know this? Nobody has ever travelled back from the future to tell us.
That you know of ;) lol
I mean, if someone really did figure it out, why share it? Make the changes you want to history, be totally selfish, like say, governments might do with it hmmm...
People always ask why Marty and Doc are friends and how did they meet... well, we saw how they met at 1955, and I believe they've been friends ever since
Oddly enough I also stated watching these again the day before you posted this and finished rewatching them today, quite a fun trilogy
Gasoline was available in 1885 along with other petroleum products.
Back to the future. One of the best trilogies of all time. Great vid
In bttf 2 when biff steals the time machine. When biff returns he should be in the alternate reality of the new rich biff timeline, not the og timeline of Marty and doc.
Yep. Also in the deleted scene, shouldn’t the car disappear too?
Unless:
Since Doc, Marty and Jennifer were still in 2015, that could have left a time corridor still open to that timeline sort of a temporal paradox/anchor. Biff went back, made the changes and then traveled back through that same corridor.
Well no because Doc and Marty were already destind to go back adn stop that timeline. Also Doc mentions this during his chalkboard time branch.
Not exactly. It's the same situation when doc and Marty returned to there original time but realized it was an alternative. The same goes for Biff.
Pretty sure doc explains that, and says that they need to go back to the past in order to change it back to the original after Marty says let’s go to the moment he steals it.
Marty and doc should have never escaped 2015. When Biff traveled back from 1955 after delivering the sports almanac, he would have arrived in the dystopian future created by the time line split. Doc explained it on the chalkboard.
it's the greatest accidental trilogy of all time, and i will die on this hill valley
the thing thats still amazing about the these movies is how much that can surprise you about them
Here's my take on Back to the Future 2's inconsistency in the part were they travel to 2015... why would older versions of Marty and Jennifer exist (much less their kids) in 2015 when their 1985 versions skipped 30 years of aging life? That's like me from 2004 (23 then) jumping 20 years into 2024 (43 now) and somehow still witnessing my older self. If you were to skip 20-30 years going into the future... you're not suppose to age at all, and whatever life events you are suppose to have gone through in that 20-30 years should never have happened.
This goes back to the presupposition that they aren't technically missing from their own timeline because they're intending to return (or in Jennifer's case, Marty and Doc will return her to 1985). Narratively time travel is often carried along by intent on the part of the characters. It's the reason why the paradox of "invent time machine to change X, change X, no longer have reason to invent time travel amd therefore X is immutable" is a trope that goes back to HG Wells. BTTF cleverly avoided this problem in 1 by a couple means. First off, Marty didn't intend on going back to save Doc from being shot - he was just trying to escape the Libyans.
Secondly, Marty thought he failed to warn Doc because the storm didn't allow him to and Doc tore up the letter. In Marty's mind, Doc's fate was sealed but it wasn't because Doc had a change of heart and took precautions. This shows that roundabout alterations to the timeline work and are dependent on what the characters intend on doing. As such, the group isn't planning to stay in 2015 and so the future that was in motion to occur is still intact. Incidentally, the character growth Marty experienced across all 3 films prevents him from getting in that car accident. Something Doc could have warned him about, but chose not to for fear of making it worse. The raw logic of "they left their original time, so the timeline should act as if they never returned" thus only applies if something happens to prevent them from returning.
I think this sort of presupposition that time itself is somehow conscious and sentient in a way, only altering people and events in a ripple, was a big inspiration for works like 12 Monkeys. Which was quite brilliant as a closed-loop paradox in the film or one which could be broken in the series.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel I'll admit the final part in Part 3 where Marty avoids the car crash is a clever twist which was only hinted in Part 2. Definitely shows character growth in all 3 time travel adventures that Marty learned not to get duped when being called a "chicken." Also in Part 1, Doc got curious some years after tearing Marty's warning letter, by piecing it back together (amazingly), read it, and took it to heart & memory, and actually prepared for the Libyans come 1985, compared to his previous 1985 version. Overall, all 3 movies are no doubt very well made and well written.
To me, it's simple. As soon as we see Marty Jr downtown, we know that no matter how hard adventures we are about to see, Marty and Jennifer WILL return to 1985 and live to be there in 2015. Otherwise, we could have had Doc look and look after Marty Jr, and slowly realizing "uhm, Marty... you and Jennifer no longer exist here in 2015, so we got to bring you back home again before something really bad happens." The end. :D
I always look forward to getting round to watching Part II because it's the most interesting of the three. There are loads of things going on at once and visually it's actually quite stunning. I remember watching it as a kid looking forward to 2015. Boy, how disappointed was I!
3:43 Old Man Biff was in pain because of a deleted scene where Lorraine shot him in the alternate 1985.
What always bothered me was, Doc very intelligent, surely he knows the processes behind refining crude oil into gasoline. They would have been using crude at that point for other things.
I thought about the four DeLoreans as well. But I think based on the logic of time travel presented in the films, the fourth DeLorean does not appear in the mineshaft until the flying DeLorean is struck by lightning and is sent back to 1885. This is based on the premise that the time travel in the three films is not a closed loop, the timeline is constantly changing and we see the changes happening in "real time" with the images in pictures altering or Marty almost vanishing in the first film. Looking at events in this manner means that in the first movie Doc is killed by the Libyans at the beginning and there is no second Marty watching the action unfold. That only happens at the end of the film after the past has been altered and a new timeline has been created. This also means Goldie Wilson would have been Mayor anyway and Chuck Berry would still have written Johnny Be Good. I think it also means that the timeline Marty goes back to at the end of the third film is not the same altered timeline at the end of the first film, but another timeline that is essentially the same... maybe?
Something like that, yep.
You're right about the number of DeLoreans. There are only three during the second movie, but after the lighning bolt, and the WU guy arriving with the letter, we are from now on in a timeline, where there were four DeLoreans during a big part of that Saturday.
Back To The Future is full of paradoxes. And I love every last one of them.
Another question: how did Doc Brown get the technical parts for the time machine in the steam locomotive?
One detail nobody mentions about time travel is that it also involves traveling across vast distances though space when you consider how fast the earth moves around the sun, and the sun around the galaxy, and the galaxy around its cluster and so on, it boggles the mind to think about that. How would you even calculate the exact position in time space you’d have to be in to successfully travel to the past???
Doc smart enough to make iced tea in 1885 but can't figure out how to make gas for the DeLorean😢
marty surpised how doc could dance, while he himself was showing off killer moonwalk skills at the saloon. Wouldn't it be awesome if he moonwalked during the dance for everyone toe see and told the hill valley ancestors, hey that is something your future great grandkids are gonna like!
Back to the Future changed my life when I saw it on opening day 1985. I love these films so much I even wrote a book about it.
The biggest weakness of BTTF2 was using Michael J Fox to play multiple characters.
There were great actors who all shone well in the movies and they should have had new ones to play his children. Using Fox was just a gimmick that distracted from the story.
"Temporal mechanics gift me a headache."
There was a real easy way for Marty to get back to 1985 in Back to the future, if doc says he`s not going to build the Delorean in the future, when they meet in 1955, but then the movie would`nt happen.
At the end of part III, the Doc and Clara show up in 1985 in his steampunk time machine, along with his children and the dog, which was really cool. But I wonder if the Doc had further adventures...
I thought Biff disappears when he returns to 2015 was because him altering the past by making himself rich, he changed his destiny where he didn't live to be that old.
It didn’t change his destiny, it changed his density
Interesting they predicted the future to be a lot less diverse
fuckin lol'd
@@jimmymaher6778 that was back in 2015 though
They predicted an utopia, instead we ended up in a dystopia.
whites are the global minority
@makcity7850 I'd hardly call the changes mentioned to the justice system to be that of a utopia.
I thought in the deleted scene with Future Biff 𝘧𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨, it was because in the timeline he just created with the Alminac making his young self rich, Loraine shoots him sometime between 1985 and 2015; so rich young Biff never grows up to be rich old 2015 Biff. Another paradox btw since from young Biff's perspective, the Almanac came from a person and a world that will never come to exist.
I really need to watch the trilogy again, quick smart!
It’s nice to hear a movie review that isn’t about a trash movie. It blew my mind to consider that there where 4 Delorian’s at one point in 1955.
Ive always heard people say 2 was the best and 3 was the weakest but I consider it all one movie. It flows perfectly if you watch them all back to back……………to the future. I think it’s the best sci-fi trilogy ever made
Wish this was longer. Was great reminiscing and analysing a classic. More of these please!
Because time ever marches on, we are all 'TECHNICALLY' trapped in the past.
BTTF II is an action packed "act two" for the trilogy that fulfills everything the audience wants from the premise (to see the future, a dystopian timeline and something clever like revisting the first movie) it's vital to let us decompress for the excellent and more emotional part III
BTTF 2 is my favorite. For all the reasons you listed. The shiny bright future, the alternate timeline, and revisiting the first movie. It is jam packed with fun ideas and is just a great story
Back to the future 2 is depressing as hell!
Back to the future 3 is the best
2 is brilliant 👌
3 does not get the love it deserves. It's just so much fun!
1 is Marty's movie, 2 is Biff's movie and 3 is Doc's movie.
I have similar feelings regarding part 2. It seems to be a much darker, serious and adult oriented (including the humor) film, when compared to the other two.
I was doing my miltary training and they gave us an evening off...we all went to see Back to the Future 3
Its a roller-coaster love 2
Repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax".
Ya just don’t get it do ya
At the end of BTTF 1, shouldn’t the original Marty disappear as Rich Marty is replacing him?
We do see on 1 and 3 that after changing time the effects don't happen immediatly. But i think the reason that Marty remains the same is because if he were to dissapear then his altered present wouldn't happen in the first place since he is the reason his parents got together in the way that made this future possible.
Based on that and that 2015 Biff dissapears after going back to an altered 2015 because in this new future he died earlier i assume you just "replace" your "new you" as long as you didn't prevented your birth/make yourself die at an earlier point in time.
Thank you so much for this fresh perspective on my favorite trilogy. Your narration was calm, logical and entertaining.