BEST BUDGET 2 person backpacking tent? Durston X-Mid Copy? Lanshan 2 beater?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Is this the end of the Durston X-Mid tent and 3F UL Gear Lanshan 2 tent? This budget trekking pole tent by Asta Gear is a suspiciously similar backpacking tent to the Durston X-Mid 2p. The Asta Gear Yun Chuan 2 person tent costs less than the Lanshan 2 Pro yet has the design features of the X-Mid 2.
I'm torn with these similarly designed tents. My thoughts are if you have the money buy the real Durston X-Mid 2 tent. But if you haven't got the money, or can't justify the expense, I don't see why you should feel guilty for buying the replica ultralight backpacking tent. If you're not sure about either, the 3F UL Gear Lanshan 2 is a great piece of cheap backpacking gear perfect for wild camping.
Buy the Asta Gear YunChuan 2 tent here: www.aliexpress.com/item/10050...
Buy the real thing here: durstongear.com/products/x-mi...
Buy the 3F UL Gear Lanshan 2 here: www.camperlists.com/collectio...
Regardless of the tent design, the backpacking tent is actually quite well made. It comes with a main bag, 2 individual bags, 12 alloy v-shaped tent pegs, 4 guy lines and 2 seam sealing kits. It has a high HH rating and lightweight silicone-treated nylon fabrics. It's a great bit of budget camping gear.
For me, the lengths of rope need adjusting. However, once this is done the tent will pitch much faster. Unlike the real X-mid, you need to pitch the inner and outer separately (although you may be able to modify this).
Lets not kid ourselves, like the Cloud Peak 2 vs Hilleberg Allak 2, they are in a different league. However, they are still great pieces of cheap camping gear.
This is what Asta Gear say:
This style of pyramid tent is very popular in European and American hiking circles, such as durston and tarptent.. The dislocation symmetry of the two poles provides users with excellent wind resistance and excellent hall space. Root. The ultralight tents developed according to geometry are different from most alpenstock tents | The same, with extremely low weight. Quantity provides excellent space for two people. 15D double-sided silicone oil fabric protects against strong winds and rainstorms. Snow performance and service life. Use alpenstock to support this spacious and lightweight white shelter.
Product Name: Astagear Yunchuan 2
Outer tent material: 15D customized Ripstop nylon double-line grid tear-resistant double-sided silicon coated fabric
Waterproof index 5000mm
Inner tent material: 20D tear-resistant nylon skin-friendly voile
Tent base material: 20D light silicone waterproof nylon (waterproof index 5000mm)
Specification: 2 people
Storage size: 40*8*8cm
Outside tent height: 135cm
Outer tent weight: About 570g
Three seasons inner tent weight: About 540g
Outer tent size: 210*254cm
Inner tent height: 125cm
Floor width: 132cm
Floor length: 233cm
Packing weight About 1.25kg
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Thanks, Andy.
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00:00 Introduction & Specification
03:00 What's Included
03:23 Pitching
03:49 Outside
06:09 Inside
07:08 Final Summary - กีฬา
Before people make an idiot of themselves, please remember Durston tents are made in Asia too 😁 Please also remember the benefits of Sil Nylon rather than jumping on the marketing train 👍
Petra and Dan (Hilleberg and Durston) will not lose any sleep (or sales!) over the Cloud Peak 2 and Yun Chuan 2.
Lanshan fans seems to be fairly quiet. However, this review has definitely annoyed X-Mid fans. Please remember this is just a tent review so don’t get too aggy. Put it in perspective.
It appears Durston fans are going all out to protect the X-Mid. This is quite ironic as they shared this tent in the first place. There is also an irony that by sharing this video, and making tonnes of comments, is actually making this video explode 🤦🏻♂️
I see this tent as an alternative to the Lanshan 2 (hence the title) and not the original (funds permitting).
They're SEWN in Asia, however the design is Dan's, and the assembly house was selected specifically because it is the best available. And he absolutely sells it while not making as much profit as he otherwise might to make the tent more widely available.
At the end of the day, this is stealing intellectual property. Likewise, the Lanshan stole their design from Six Moon Designs with the same outcome. I support neither of these knockoffs.
Lanshan Fan here! Not going to rage, cos happy with my tent, and I can't afford another. Looks nice though, but the Lanshan has a better bathtub, it's ace in rain, was out in it last week for my first stealth hike, chucked it down overnight, dry as a bone. Only thing I'd say is I'd want a higher bathtub for that. Envious of the bigger space....
@@dangerpudge1922 try and buy the Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo in the UK. Oh...you can't. Brexit and the only supplier doesn't stock that model. *shrug*
@@dangerpudge1922 Also looking at the photos for 2 minutes i can see it's a different tent. Similar shape, but the guylines and fixings are all different.
@@dangerpudge1922 What about the poor kids at school that wore Adidas 4 stripe. Go Bear footed
I think cheaper tents gives everyone a chance to get outdoors, yes it’s not a big brand name , but it functional and does the job , I use a cheap Amazon down sleeping bag , about 100 quid , it’s better than my rab and suugpack , warm cheap practical affordable, great video mate ,
😱 AMAZING QUALITY 😱 - Just got my 2 person (outer only) and very, very pleased. 570g for a sweet tarp-tent that sets-up easy and has massive amounts of space inside. The zippers are great quality, the sewing is impeccable, and it has a beautiful pitch with only 4 pegs (even though I got 12). I think I'll order the 1 person as well. It's only 30g lighter but considerably narrower - about 50cm - which may be beneficial at times. Personally, I find it MUCH quicker and simpler to set-up than the Lanshan Pro 1 or 2 which need all those guy-lines and (in my case) guy-line poles to lift the walls away from my sleeping bag. This tent fits a tall person with ease ❤. It's just a wonderful ultralight backpacking solution. BTW - you'll need to get the X-mid Pro 2 PLUS to get the same fly footprint as the Asta Gear 2P... Ouch!
People were too quick to say it was rubbish. It isn’t. I was impressed, especially for the money!
Thanks for this review Andy I've just ordered one off the back of this. Nice one!! 👍👍
Good video thanks Andy. I’d like to see the 4 season version. However the bathtub floor is low and you kinda killed it for me when you said you wouldn’t use it in the wet. There goes the primary function of a tent! Keep them coming, cheers 👍
Great video Andy. Thanks.
Cracking tent for the money.
Well done great video love your views not everyone can afford the more expensive tents and its great theres a budget end for the camping novice to get into the beautiful outdoors and wild camping brilliant content well done mate...
I for one look forward to all of your gear reviews Andy. Some of the stuff way out of my price range, some of the stuff of no use to me, some of the stuff excellent value...... I could go on lol.
Keep doing what you're doing
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ohhh I like it. Looking forward to seeing what you make of it in real testing conditions.
You and me both!
I will always take time to watch all your videos and I have purchased many things you have reviewed. However my x mid has been brilliant for my needs and absolutely love it!
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great tent, especially for a trekking pole tent. I do think some people get a bit carried away though. Durston clearly has some hardcore fans!
@@BackpackingUK I agree the fans do get a bit touchy but I am not one of them. I simply went on the bases of how many positive reviews there were but I also love the fact that there is cheaper competition out there with this review you just did. If we didn't have videos like the ones you guys do we would be spending heaps amount of money until we get it right so again we thank you for all the painstaking time you put into these things because you massively help us all out. Respect Andy 🙏🏼
Just ordered 4season 1pers edition, thanks for showcasing this
What a brilliant review of a very familiar looking design of trekking pole shelter
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Cheers Lee 😁
Thank you for an honest first time review.
Will be buying the 1 man version for my Christmas box . Have three Astagearul tents and they have all been very good .
Thanks for sharing 👍
Just received my 4s 1p version. Can't wait to get it up and start sealing it... Is there much sealing to do? Also what height did you have your poles in this video?
Had to happen sooner or later Andy, it's the way of the world unfortunately, thanks again for another great impartialed review.
Great goods and services will always be copied. I do feel for these companies, especially the smaller ones, but it’s just the way it is.
What do you mean impartial he got the tent for nowt. 😅
Good information. I must see how it performs in typical English winters weather.
Great review. I think I’ll stick with my Faithful Lanshan pro 2. As long as you take a micro fibre cloth for the morning. It’s all good! 😂 Nice simple shape in the right colours, light, easy to pitch and gets the job done. 😊
Great to see split bags, these would go on outside of rucksack in side mesh pockets. This will do what the cloud peak 2 did to the banshee.
Looks a good budget option, problem will be nylon stretches which can be a problem on pole tents, I love the magnets on my x-mid, good review 👍
Love the magnets, seriously?!?! They are so annoying!!!!
Noo they are ace though I have the newer version with the stronger magnets (it took me that long to save up😅) I don’t know what magnets are like on Mark 1, I must say though, if I had known about this tent I would have probably bought it rather than my X-mid and spent the money I saved on hiking trips
Still do not understand why it’s our job to seem seal a tent !
I don’t either 🙄
Cost. These things are produced in relatively massive volumes, so silicone sealing them industrially would require acres and acres of floorspace, and 6 to 8 hours of the fly being under tension for each one being sealed, so the cost per tent would be higher.
3ful charge, what, an extra 35% of the cost of a lanshan pro to factory seal it? Summat like that.
The other option is the one that doesn't require being left pitched for hours to seal: seam tape. Which you can't do on a silicone coated surface. Which is why lots of the bigger manufacturers do sil/PU coated nylon, so they can tape the PU coated side.
You pays your money and you makes your choice.
I was reading on one of the Lanshan websites, it said something (badly translated to English) about not being able to import the solvent used into Europe.
When will people learn that no companies producing silnylon or silpoly tents seamseal their tents unless it's a paid for extra service. It's a manual job that would be impossible to sustain. It's not the same as cheap PU tent fabrics that can be taped from the factory
Have to remember to buy my shirts with buttons
My 2 person tent arrived today. I bought the 4 season version. It cost me around 158 euros including customs and taxes. I haven't tested or set it up yet, but the quality delivered is very good. I really happy with the 4 season tent. I will treat it with Seam Seal and then it will definitely serve me well and for a long time.
have you tested it out yet? What are your thoughts :)
😅I'll order one too. I like the tent so much that I've watched videos of it for the 5th time!😅
I had a lanshan 2 before I bought my X-mid 2p and what I wouldnt want is an X-Mid made out of silnylon.
1. Already I can tell the Astagear copy is a lot saggier than the X-mid which is made from silpoly. I predict when wet, with that much nylon on the broad sides and mid panels, its going to sag right down to the inner, no matter how tight its pitched.
2. Durston's customer service has been second to none. Somehow i dont think Astagear will have an avenue through which tou can discuss your issues as a consumer directly with the owner or his wife.
You pay for what you get I suppose.
Btw, it was me that first shared the images of this to the Durston Gearhead group. It was only a matter of time til copies sprang up but Dan isn't Hilleberg or MSR, Durston are a small company. The X-mid 1p and 2p arent priced in the range of Fjallraven or Hilleberg, even the pro versions are significantly cheaper than those brands. I'd say the range is priced squarely in the middle of the scale.
Dan’s customer service is first class, no doubt about that.
Yeah this new tent hasn't changed my intention to upgrade my Lanshan 2 Plus to an X-Mid 2p. In this video it looks cheap, saggy, and overall pretty crap compared to the Durston, especially as it looks more difficult to pitch which is one of the Durston tent's biggest selling points that makes it more attractive than my Lanshan despite the relatively high price.
Great review
I have the Durston X-Mid 2 solid inner
Superb tent
As I have already purchased an original, I have less qualms in buying a summer-time full-net knock-off version
Exactly how I feel! Mind you, I own a Cloud Peak 2 but not an Allak 2 😬
Worth a punt ! My X-mid 1p Solid wetted out on me on the CWT so not all originals are better !!
Good review as always. It may be the different camera angles, but there is something about the stitching and the overall shape that is not right or at the very least suggests that durability particularly in inclement weather will be problematic. The Lanshan by comparison is a tried and tested design. It has been around for ages and people know what they are getting. The X-mid is in another league though (you have pointed that out anyway) and it is all those little details that end up making a huge difference in the end. Given the Asta low price point you may as well get a decent tarp and a bivy which overall would most likely provide a better quality kit for a similar or lower weight. Thanks for the video. Judging by the comments, there's some debate going on ;-)
The fact is, imitation is the high compliment. I don’t think this tent will completely eclipse all Durston sales. But yes the morality of copying a design is dubious.
If it goes the way of the Lanshan, it doesn't look good for a small company like Durston. It wouldn't take the imitators to eclipse their sales to hurt them financially.
@@beatbasher one of the things that a customer is looking for is good customer service. I have a hard time imagining these companies making imitation tents can offer anywhere near the level of customer service that a company like Durston does. So, because of that, I have a hard time imagining that the target demographic Durston customer would buy a cheaper alternative in leu of the real thing. If a person is considering which $700 DCF cottage industry tent to buy they are probably not going to be the type of person who would go with a cheap knockoff alternative. But I could imagine a scenario in which this knockoff tent would be very appealing to a person comparing tents in the $150-$200 range, especially if that person doesn’t have same expectation for customer service as a typical consumer of premium products does.
Looks decent, will be good to see how it stands up to the elements
It definitely needs 2 more guy lines. It has the fixing points but it'll need the lines to withstand blustery conditions. I don't think it'll handle the wind as well as the original but, like I always say, I personally wouldn't choose to use a trekking pole tent in the wind anyway.
Having recently attempted to reseal the seams on my old tent I would never buy a tent that isn't factory seam-sealed.
Great review as always! 👍
I cheat and use Gear Aid products. Costs more but they’re easy to use 👍
@@BackpackingUK
Yes Gear Aid are great
As a matter of course I seam seal all my tents and Solar proof them
You get years of service from tents
@@BackpackingUK Yup McNett Gear Aid Sil Nylon Seam Sealer is what I used on my Lanshan. Was fine apart from where I put it on too thickly and it rained...thin layers is the way!
Although I don’t have the same faith in the construction and capabilities as the 1P Solid, I bet this would suit most people who just want a lightweight summer option at 50% of the cost!
This was the first I’d heard of this little copy so well spotted mate. I’d definitely be interested to hear Dan’s thoughts on it!
It was being shared on the Durston Gearheads Facebook Page. I’m not sure if I’d want to know Dan’s thoughts 😬
A durston doesn't even cost that much and you're supporting someone who actually made and designed the tent and not some Chinese garbage.
@@ittotaq I own a X-Mid and have reviewed both the STD and PRO so I think I’ve supported Durston more than most people. This tent is an alternative to the Lanshan 2 hence the title / thumbnail!
@@ittotaq I also have the Xmid so I’ve definitely done my bit in supporting Dan.
Unfortunately, it is still double the cost pending import and handling fees which not everyone will be able to afford. I agree it’s a great value tent though. For some this will be a great alternative but for those of us who can afford it, we’re much happier with the real deal.
@@ittotaqmost people leaving comments are using Chinese products to do so and to watch these videos.
I meant polyester. I have the x mid and I find I don’t have to re adjust anything like you do for sil nylon tents due to the sag/water absorption. Fortunately I have a friend in America who I had the tent delivered to, who then brought it over for me. The import and tax costs are expensive but I wouldn’t say they are hilleberg tent prices and they are a completely different style of tent. Each to there own.
Great video as usual Andy. I had the 2p xmid but sold it as too big. I'd look at the 1p version of this. Have the lanshan pro 1, so would be an interesting alternative
Your link to Ali express says won't deliver to UK, strange.
I own a Lunar Solo by Six Moon Designs, and I’ve never once bagged on someone’s video of the Lanshan 1, which is a clear rip off of the Lunar Solo. It’s not like you made the tent! 🤦♂️
Also, I had to seam seal my Lunar Solo for all those seam seal comments. It’s done the Uinta Highline Trail and The Ruby Crest Trail and is still going. I have 8k worth of views for my review of the Lunar Solo.
I think your review was well done except I would have loved to see the initial pitch with the poles.
Thanks for taking the time to show us this tent! Have a great day!
Love the magnets myself. :)
Seriously?!?!
@@BackpackingUK I love how easy they clip and unclip. When your hands are cold its a pain to fiddle with ties
Great video!!!
Glad you liked it! 👍
Excellent video as always Andy, very good interesting to see what’s out there!
Sorry Andy, not sure I started this flurry of comments or not, but I was just trying to be helpful, pointing out difference between the materials. And I agree just because something is made in Asia, doesn’t make it unethical to buy, just sometimes you have to ask yourself is the price too good to be true? Unfortunately there is no real way of knowing for the consumer. Even paying lots of money for something isn’t always a guarantee.
Hi, thanks for this initial review. In your intro you said you will try it out wild camping, as you have it up for sale on that auction site as unused have you given up that idea? edit Now sold so I take it there won't be wild camping review of the 2p tent?
I’ve ordered the 1P 4S. This was way too big for me! I’ve got the 1P X-Mid so it’ll be interesting how they really compare.
There is now a pitching video in their shop showing the poles going handles up. I queried this with them and they said that applies to the old version and on the new version the pole tips go up. I have the new version which has a double brass gromet and thick webbing strip above them then the dyneema layer.
What else changed? Same bathtub floor hight on the newest version?
Good video
Great review. What is the Bath-tub floor like on the 4 season inner version?
I’ve just ordered the 4S so will report back soon 👍
The Lanshan 2, 4 season IS seam seal around the door. At least mine is. This X-mid 'copy' looks great value, IF it's waterproof!
I thought is was but someone told me it wasn't so I've been telling people that ever since! Annoying, as I was right first time!
Great video. Which of the Chinese tents would you recommend for winter snow camping? Thank you kindly
None. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but I would highly recommend getting a proper 4 season tent.
@@BackpackingUK in that case which one other would you recommend? Thank you
@@devidwobinson8747 I’d go for something like a Helm 1/2. Although they’re not officially classed a 4 season tent, they’re more capable than any chinese tent out there. If you use GEAR30 you get 30% off for Black Friday which brings the prices down to chinese levels. If you want to go cheaper the OEX tents are built for UK use as well as some of the Vango tents.
I’d love you to compare the Lanshan to the relatively new Matis 2p from Hill Zero. It appears to be quite similar to Tarptent designs like the StratoSpire with a budget price tag like the Lanshan, or this tent to the xmid
I haven’t heard of that, I’ll check it out 👍
Hi Andy I always thought you were local from when you got busted in the woods. Definitely know you are now.
I have the lanshan 2 but I don’t know why mine has 3 inner zippers instead of the 2 zip loop system is it a copy or did they change the design? It’s a pretty good tent ⛺️. Muck more space than my vango Nevis.
Do you play football / cricket?!?! Similarly to the Naturehike Cloud Peak 2, they’ve given you the option of a T zip or standard door zip. I prefer T zips myself, you can open the whole side then.
No I don’t play cricket or football but it’s amazing how you can recognise things/ buildings etc if you’re sharp. It’s hardly (Madeira) land scape !
new intro ☺👍
🤷🏻♂️ 😂
Did you get out and do a camp in the tent?
Great vid BTW. Subscribed 👌
I’ve got the 4 season version now, still testing some other tents but I’ll get out in this soon!
@BackpackingUK looks like a great bit of kit. Interested to see the vid. 👍👍👍
looks good but if i want sil nylon i will use my lanshan 2 pro . yet to try my dan durston 2 man polyester looking forward to non strech and space
Can the outer and inner layer put together in such a way that it can be set up and taken down at the same time without problems?
And then it's fits the bag?
You’d have to modify it to do so.
@@BackpackingUK what exactly need to modify?
How does the inner attach to the fly on the four corners and two peaks? Does it have loops for the trekking poles to go in?
For the peaks there’s 2 clips like the original. For the ends, they have separate adjustable lines that don’t clip to the outer. I guess you could modify this, but for me, this is where it takes much longer to pitch than the original.
@@BackpackingUK thanks for the reply, it’ll be interesting to see how the tent stands up in real world conditions. It does look incredibly like the original drop X-mids with the vents at the sides like the 1p. An in depth Side by side comparison video would be good. Happy Sunday !!!
For info the clips aren’t the same but finding a female clip to change out is not difficult but good to bear in mind
Kind of inevitable! Be interested to know if the inner from this fits the x-mid
The inner top clips look like they’re a different size but the rest looks very similar.
@@BackpackingUKcheers Andy. Might order one of the 4 season inners and test
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, very interesting. The big difference I can see in the tents is the material, as a sil nylon tent it will sag/stretch and therefore will need adjusting to keep tension. The actual x mid uses a poly nylon which doesn’t sag/stretch. A big difference on a tent type that relies on tension to keep it stable. The poly nylon doesn’t absorb water like sil nylon. I’d also question how a tent can be produced that cheap- is it at the expense of worker conditions? The x mid isnt actually an expensive tent, it’s the import costs that kills it. Shame we don’t have the same kind of market that can produce the more innovative kit you seem to get in the states.
Agreed, I wish UK companies made similar tents to those in North America. I’m a big fan of Tarptent but I also like Big Agnes, Nemo, MSR, etc, etc.
Spot on . My thoughts are we should be supporting the genuine tent not the cheap copy
Stretch not as much of a problem with trekking Pole tents as the they can be tensioned by extending the poles…
The fly is silicone treated both sides (sil/sil) so unlike sil/pu the issue of sag/stretch and absorption shouldn’t be as much. Will be interesting to see once reviews start coming in.
Poly nylon? I'm sure you mean polyester. The durston is made from a low denier polyester fabric which sags slightly less than nylon, but it's nothing groundbreaking. The X-mid is up in Hilleberg prices once it's taxed for and everything here in Europe. Simply not worth it.
It could be possible that the arc between the poles is a place from where the condensation will drip.
Possible but unlikely.
Do you know the recommended pole hight? Thanks for the review👍
With hindsight I was about 5cm too low when pitching this. It should be more like 130 than 125 (from memory).
Just curious as to why you don’t like the magnetic door tie-backs on the durston?
Because they’re not fit for purpose.
Andy , why are they not fit for purpose , I have 30 nights in my Xmid and not once has the door come unrolled in a wide variety of wind and rain ?@@BackpackingUK
I'll take the Lanshan 2 because I just don't like the X-Mid design. I'm not a fan of trekking pole tents at all but if I had to choose between the two I would not choose one with that design, whether it was a copy or the real deal.
I've just clicked on the link and it says that this product can't be shipped to my address in the UK. Any idea why that would be?
No idea, sorry 🤷🏻♂️
Seam sealing aside as long as you use a footprint i think it would be a fine summer tent. But id never buy a non seam sealed tent personally.
The tent I most recently bought, it's not seam sealed and it doesn't need to be. It is stitched together with thread which expands when wet... Had it out in some epic Snowdonian rain and wind and not a drop of rain in my tent, so seam sealing is not always necessary, but more likely with cheaper tents.
I came to the conclusion its better run off of a ridgeline. got one second hand, unused but didn't like how my poles seated in either apex! Ive pre set up mine for a slightly more rapid deployment with a line pre installed! Yet to use it but its ready to go? Light as fu#k!
Wow that bathtub is really shallow. Think I'll stick with my lanshan 2 pro it has a deep tub no water when it rains hard
All ridge tents are basically a copy of the first one ever made, the modern materials are the game changer, when you have to carry the tent for miles the weight makes all the difference
The standard Lanshan tents only need sealing at the guy out points (two on the Lanshan 2, three on the Lanshan 1), not at the doors.
Dan told me he intends to start selling separate inners for the X-Mids so you'll also have the option of swapping out the mesh for solid inners depending on the season, same as you can on the Lanshan and this new Asta Gear tent.
He needs to role those out quickly, he’s missing a trick!
Oh interesting my Lanshan 1 never needed seam sealing? Might have been the Plus version, maybe that's different (not the Pro, still has inners). Sorry for making the same comment above!
Just had a thought - @BackpackingUK - how compatible are the inners? Or are thy connected on the X-Mid? Just wondered if you could mix and match the Asta Gear inner with the X-Mid, LOL.
@@harduphiker The Pro needs fully seam sealing
@@mikelovesbacon I know that, that's why I didn't get it! Also condensation issues with single wall tents...
Nice one Andy! I nearly bought that. Unfortunately I can’t be doing seam sealing. Good value bit of kit. I wonder how much it will sag when wet. Durston is polyester. As always great film mate!
Seam sealing isn’t as bad as people think (especially when it comes ready to use). I think most people who try it would do it again. However, I don’t think we should ever have to do it in the first place!
Cool tent but bath tub height is a deal breaker for me sadly
I so want the 4s version but it looks like it's not available for UK buyers now, what a pain. Of course I'd prefer the Durston but at £400 by the time it's gets here to the UK it's not happening for me. £150 is my limit and this would of done the trick
My 1P 4S got delivered today. I’m sure they’ll restock. My video probably cleared them out 😅
I don't suppose you want to sell your 3s 2p one from the video now you have the 1p version 😊
Is it a real 4 season tent? It is looking fantastic 😍 😊👍
Like the Lanshan 2, the 4 season version would be a 3/3+ season. Even the official X-Mid Solid, I wish the solid mesh came up a bit higher on the inner.
@@BackpackingUK I will oder it right away with the 4 season inner tent. It looks like there is enough ventilation even in hot summer time!
My first UL is gonna be the x mid 2, should be here in a few days. Excited to finally have a light tent for backpacking. Im used to 7 to 8 pound tents. You should test that tent in the wind and rain to see if it holds up to that 48 dollar price tag!
Great purchase, I’m sure you’ll love it. It’ll be interesting to see how the real X-Mid stands up in the wind too. As I’ve always said, I personally wouldn’t choose to use a trekking pole tent in windy conditions.
Now that's a vid I'd watch. Pick a windy night and get out with both your Durston and your Astagear and your Tarptent. Trekking poles are stronger than tent poles usually are, I'd love to see the results.
I also posted this in Paul Meisners channel on this tent. I feel a little bit like it’s a bad deal for Dan Durston, his tents look awesome and his design is clearly being copied. But there are reasons I feel totally fine buying knockoffs. With regard to his tents, there’s one issue that really bothers me. Like me, he lives in Canada in BC, so he’s basically a Canadian making a Canadian product. When I was inquiring about buying one, (I emailed him directly about it through the support email address) he was friendly and nice enough, but he said he couldn’t just sell me one and ship it to me in my city in the same province. The tents are manufactured in China or Viet Nam, shipped through a distribution center in the US, and when it gets back to Canada, I have to pay GST, PST and duty plus a brokerage fee. Granted I would pay GST and PST either way.
Considering the company is here in my home province and I have to pay more for it than if I was in America, really annoys me. I have to pay
$395 CAD for the tent.
$71.10 duty at customs,
$55.94 PST and GST.
$522.03 is the total cost of the basic X-Mid 2. I’m pretty sure there is also be a customs brokerage fee on top of this. Yikes.
I’m not rich by any means, but I love hiking and camping. If I can get something cheaper that has decent quality and a more affordable price with most of the functionality, then that’s something I will absolutely consider.
I can’t get my head around this, madness 🤯
@@BackpackingUKWhich part Andy? Is it the price of the tent with all the additional costs, or the fact that I live in the same province and I can’t order it directly? To me, it’s all seems like a bit of a costly mess. 😮
@@zarlydoug , not sure why the confusion. It is clearly explained by yourself.
"The tents are manufactured in China or Viet Nam, shipped through a distribution center in the US, and when it gets back to Canada, I have to pay GST, PST and duty plus a brokerage fee. Granted I would pay GST and PST either way."
The fact Dan lives near you is irrelevant. Most customers will be US based I would guess, so it makes sense to base shiping there and I thought most of the the tents were sold by a US company anyway? If you lived in near Apple's Tim Cook, would you expect to pick up a Macbook from his house and not pay import duties/local taxes too? Bear in mind US prices usually [and annoyingly] don't include taxes, they are added afterwards. Here in UK, government tax [20% VAT] has to be included in the cost price [unless selling only business to business].
@BackpackingUK - Well if it was cheaper to manufacture and sell in Canada or whatever local place you live, that's how it would be done by companies.
I would imagine local manufacture that would make the tents unviable. That's even if the skills to manufacture them are present.
@@JeremyLawrence-imajez I see what you're saying, but I'm not confused really, I am a little bit annoyed. Here in canada we're always looking for affordable alternatives because we inevitably have to pay extra in the form of duty and brokerage, as well as usually a higher prices for delivery. It's just the way it is, but for these reasons I am looking for company's here in Canada to by gear and save money on some ot the technicalities that come with ordering items from the US. I haven't come across many hiking gear companies based out of Canada. And now here's this great company right in my own Province, but it doesn't matter because the company is doing everything through Asia and then the US. I say all of this just to point out that it would be a nice change to have something made in Canada that wouldn't be subjected to additional costs because of trade agreements and duty while being shipped across our border into the very province the owner of the company lives in. That's all. At the end of the day there isn't really anything to be done about it, but because of the cost I will still consider less expensive alternatives in addition to the genuine article..
I'm just here for the comments 🤭
Wait for it, wait for it, ⛺️ 👊💥
@@BackpackingUK did you want me to test it out for you to see if it's Grizz proof?
@@GrizzlyGaz The US are behind us, wait till they’ve caught up and had a few beers then ⛺️ 💣💥…….. 🎤 👇🏻
@@BackpackingUKyou should have called it the x-mid killer... That would really get the comments rolling! 😜🤣🤣
@@GrizzlyGaz 🙊 🙈 🤣 I’ve already had the ‘inferior’ Sil Nylon comment, it was only a matter of time before the diehards regurgitated the marketing spiel! So predictable. Quite fun though after a few 🍻 😂 People get so het-up over tents 🤷🏻♂️
GJ.
Like the design, features and colour. I wouldn’t worry too much about seam sealing either - I have a backpacking tent that is not sealed and has been out on many a rainy camp, no leaking (so far).
I’ve always said, I personally wouldn’t choose to use a trekking pole tent in the wind or rain. I also wouldn’t choose a trekking pole tent if I were to own just one tent. This means a lot of the weaknesses or them don’t bother me too much as I’d only use them in favourable conditions.
@@BackpackingUK I wouldn't take my Lanshans out in a storm, but I have gotten surprise squalls gusting 20-30mph and been on a headland with same, and they were noisy but fine. If you have them tensioned properly, or even the doors pegged down for bad weather, and lower the pole height they are fine. But yes, a classic dome tent might be better for tops of mountains in wind....
Asta gear now make a DCF version!
Oh yes! A cheaper version of the Durston X-Pensive! Christmas come early. Better colour too. A bit annoying about the seam sealing but it can be done these days.
Thanks for sharing this I will go buy one
This is exactly why I did this review. Lots of people love the X-Mid but it’s too expensive / unjustifiable for many. Ironically, this was posted quicker than my real X-Mid too!
@@BackpackingUKI just looked at the 4-season version it’s not bad at 202 Euros….I like the fact you can buy different outers and inners and mix and match. Even buy a summer inner. Looks great! The dark colour is really appealing.
And…….the Windchaser 2 1.82kg! Damn…..that’s good. Extra guy line points too, really nicely done puts the MSR Tindheim to shame.
Shows you what can be done in China. Why then are we paying so much for the ‘originals’ when they are also made in China? Are we being rip-stop off?
That goes for all goods!
aliexpress unable to ship to the UK
Maybe it’s a setting? I got 2 👍
Where is Andy ? Hello did the Durston police come to take you away to Canada ?
They tried too 😂
NO one talks but, Durston (X-Mid) cloned this tent from the Sierra Designs - High Route 3000 1P 🙂 this tent was released several years earlier than X-mid
Exactly! Then took Tarptent’s off-set inner design. It’s the uncomfortable truth but most Durston owners are 100% convinced Dan designed the X-Mid from a blank sheet of paper. He’s a PR genius!
I didn't get the price. Why do so many reviewers not include prices?
It is included, you skipped it!
Andy- cant believe aome if the comments ive seen from other channels. Have they not been using, plugging ‘cheaper alternative’ products for years.. so many hypocritical people.. keep doing what you are doing mate..
Great review on the looks of it. Pretty spot on Durston clone.
I'd wonder though how it would perform in wind and rain.
If the full fabric inner, has the same low bathtub floor, both would be daredevil-grade tents in anything but a light shower.
Perhaps the best 'low price desert tent' at the moment? ;)
I think it's all about tent placement. Many people camp with a tarp - in wet weather - no bathtub floor required. Don't set-up in a bowl and all should be fine!
You can say copied. There’s no legal reason to avoid it. And there’s no legal reason for lanshan to avoid doing it, unless durston has patented any innovations in it (afaik, no). And functional designs aren’t copyrighted.
If they’d put Louis Vuitton logos all over the fabric, that’d be wrong. But having the same shape as an x-mid is fine.
People are making out it’s the first time it’s happened, it’s been going on for years and years!
who came here from Messner's video? lol
😂😂 camping drama at its finest
Not sure why but it says all are out of stock
Probably because they’ve all been purchased. All the Durston fan’s comments have made the video expode!
Interesting video but "Buy cheap buy twice" as they say ! I do like the colour though compared to my Xmid but it looks like what it is A cheap Copy AND flappy and when it gets piss wet through its true colours will stand out which will look ugly with it being thin sis nylon. You can add a tiny carabiner to the little tab with the magnet on the REAL Xmid and just clip it to the guyline to keep the door out of the way . As you said the magnet isn't fit for purpose and although this tent is trying hard to be an Xmid apart from inferior materials it is good that you can get both summer and winter inners which Dan is still working on .
Don’t think sil nylon is an inferior material, you’re wrong. Sil poly is less stretchy (that’s why you see so many poorly pitched x-mids on uneven ground), it’s heavier and less durable.
For that style of structure /design siil nylon will sag when it's wet and need adjusting and therefore be less stable and be more vulnerable once it has sagged in the wind. Do you think Dan Durstan would have got that bit wrong ??? You can see in this video how flappy it is at the end sections, it doesn't have the middle peg bout points.Plus you will get a lot more condensation with SN. I think i have used my xmId enough to know what i am talking about @@BackpackingUK
I’ve got an issue with those middle peg points. If you use them it’s virtually impossible to keep the door open using the stupid magnets. The only way I can keep the door open is to not use those points. You have to agree though, there are more poorly pitched X-Mid photos than almost any other tent on the market. I swear owners don’t know what a rectangle even looks like! With hindsight, I should have fine-tuned the lines, maybe I’ll do a follow up video?
But not good in heavy rain?..
I’d love one of these if the bathtub just came a bit higher or the inner had the solid fabric up to about 1ft. I’ll probably get one if they bring out a slightly more autumn friendly version.
They do a solid ‘4 season’ inner and I’d presume the bathtub is higher.
I was just looking at one of these the other day.
I was kind of hoping that decathlon might bring out something similar next season but I'll keep this in the back pocket.
Can't possibly afford an X-mid so this could be a viable option.🙂
They're all ripping off the original design by Sir Alan Tent anyway.😉🤣🤣
I ended up getting a Lanshan.
Simply because there was too much mesh on the 4 season inner for this one.
Hey Andy, have you used the tent in anger yet...
I swapped it for the 1P 4S! I didn’t realise a solid version was available at the time!
@@BackpackingUK I love my 2p 3s as the weight isn't that much more than the 1p, saying that the overall footprint area of the 1p is appealing. I never camp out apart from May to early Sept so I'll stick with the 3s but it's nice to know I can get the 4s inner.
Thanks again for going the extra mile and reviewing this brilliant review andy
Cheers 👍
One is a Chinese company that earns US dollars and spends money in China. One is an American enterprise that earns dollars and spends dollars in the United States. The exchange rate difference is 1:7
the market chinese offers tents that are excellent quality/price, always presenting their limitations. The 15 denier is too thin a material which in my opinion has little insulation. But for those who don't want to spend a lot of money or want to use these products only in the summer they are more than fine.
What do you mean insulation? The thickness of the tent fabric has nothing to do with retaining heat, especially when the difference between most tents is 15d to 40d. It's all about strength. Heat retention is the primary job of the sleeping bag and sleeping mat. Tent fabric thickness has no meaningful effect here
@@northernswedenstories1028 in addition to the sleeping bag and the mattress that insulates from the ground, the fabric of the tent also influences the insulation. The thicker it is, the stronger it is and at the same time retains moisture better. I had a sil x peak v4 from luxeoutdoor and a lanshan. There is really no difference in the quality and thickness of the fabrics between the two. The v4 retained the condensation very well, absorbed it and made it slide very quickly, unlike the Lanshan where sometimes due to the formation of too much condensation (having the much lighter fabric) it dripped all over me. I found myself with a wet sleeping bag and the under tent not completely dry. The thicker fabric, in addition to being more resistant, is also more insulating.
15D is plenty durable for a backpacking tent. Big Agnes even makes one in 7D. Frankly, I wouldn't go anywhere near 7D, but it works in the right conditions. If we were talking about car camping or bushcraft tents that see a lot of traffic and pitch time, yeah, you'd want to steer clear of 15D. Depending on how often you use it you might want to steer clear of nylon altogether because nylon doesn't play well with sunlight and will rapidly degrade.
Yes@@northernswedenstories1028
Looks like a decent option. I still prefer the colour of my Xmid 1
The original is a nice colour, I just wish it was a bit darker. In North America they tend to prefer lighter colour tents due to the heat. However, we don't have that problem in the UK 😂
I would love xmid, but that is like 500 euros 😑
By the time you add VAT and Duty the X-Mid shoots up in price. I will say however, I still think it represents good value for money. I'd love a X-Mid Pro, it's much larger inside as it's single walled and it weighs just 500g 😮
Mate if people have a gonat you and are rude to you for simply reviewing something that someone else has made then that is most definitely a them problem. Appreciate its easy for me to say but dont give them a second thought.
Maybe more question marks will produce more Views?
It's a shame Durston are so expensive...
I got one of these and put it through its paces i. Yorkshire at the weekend. Fantastic tent, didnt move an inch in the rain and wind. Highly recommend to anyone on the fence. P.s. durston copied the design of the xmid so who cares....
Thanks for sharing 👍
Interesting video, and good to show what else is out there, not only the hyped brands. The shallow floor might be a real killer for wet weather use. Agree about magnets being nonsense on the Durstons and other tents. Also, you really need to go out and test the tent on windy hills and in bad weather, sleep in it, and over multiple trips - just setting it up in a park isn't really enough to "review" any tent. If the quality is good and it will last I don't see any reason not to try it. Just depends if you don't mind nylon, or really want the poly of the Durston. Only 100g heavier too, and half the price. And yeah I am not keen on the Durston colours either - very boring. A dark green would be much nicer than the sort of "hospital green" they use.
It wasn’t a review, it was just a first look. If you run a TH-cam channel you’ll know you’ve got to get people hooked early on 😁 🎣
@@BackpackingUK No problem :) Looking forward to the testing. And please test it over several trips and in tough conditions including rain, if possible, after you've seam sealed it. The solid/mesh inner would be interesting to test too if you can get that.
I've just purchased the 1P 4S to do back-to-back tests. In all seriousness, we all know it's not going to be as good, but we need to know what the margin is! People instantly blurt out 'cheap chinese rubbish' but with no facts or substance. I real world test would solve it once and for all!
Nylon, not the sil-poly on the X-Mid. Will sag when wet. Much higher quality in the X-Mid all around. Also looks like it is double the pack size of the Durston. I own the X-Mid 2 and would not consider a Chinese knockoff. Save your money, get the Durston version first... or you will likely buy it later after this one fails to meet your expectations.
It’s ok if you’ve got the money, but there’s many out there that don’t. Don’t get me started on sil-poly and stormworthyness 🤦🏻♂️