The Movie That Fixed Vegeta - Dragon Ball Dissection: Fusion Reborn!! Goku and Vegeta
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- A wild Gogeta appears in the final installment of Dragon Ball Dissection December! Since he's the whole reason Toriyama created Vegetto for his series, he's gotta be a big deal, right? Well... um, look at all these crazy dead people coming back to life! And we finally get a Vegeta I can enjoy seeing crawl his way out of Hell!
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I can actually see this movie as a epilogue if Gohan was the one to defeat buu so Goku did not need to come back to life. If Toriyama went with gohan being the savior then i actually would see this movie as a wrap up to dragonball as a whole. our hero goku is in the other world having the time of his life while also saving two worlds one last time with his rival Vegeta who gets one more chance in being a hero and having a touching final moment with the closes person he would consider a friend. Also having Gohan being earth's protector in his own style while having goten and trunks being the gag side of dragonball but still a great touch to have in the movie.
The better timeline
When you put it that way it would be a fun little send off
Gohan fans and their weird obsession with him being the main character
@@JackOfen in defense of those fans there was an time when the narrative pushed gohan as the main character
@@JM-gs5oc I don't know. It could just be me but as much as I enjoyed Gohan's character I viewed the finale of the Cell games more as a conclusion of his character arc over pushing him into the lead role. Too many chapters had been invested in Goku to push him out of the lead role in the final arc.
Okay, going to give a lukewarm defense of Gogeta. Yeah, he's pretty one note, but I like him like I like the Fierce Deity Mask in Majora's Mask. There's a distinct satisfaction in seeing the tables turn so perfectly, the boss you struggled with so much, now becoming the one who is afraid of you, desperately struggling to even hurt you in the slightest. I think Gogeta perfectly captures that feeling, while not overstaying his welcome. Also, the Stardust Breaker was just such a beautiful attack.
Plus he looks cool. And that's all he needs to do.
I think he has some degree of personality. Unfortunately, they never expanded on it and just made him up vegito clone in his subsequent appearances.
I'm going to basically second this: Gogeta may not work as a CHARACTER? But as The Final Move that finishes off the Bad Guy, I think he works exactly right, arriving with the appropriate Pomp and Circumstance without overstaying his welcome (or ending up feeling like a Re-Run of another character the way Vegetto does to Gotenks), and feeling like an appropriately Epic, Unknowable Force given he's the combination of the series' two most powerful warriors.
@@superpaytonmars8852 In GT you mean. In Broly he’s pretty faithful to his previous movie personality.
I prefer to call it “Soul Punisher”.
I think Gogeta was done very well. That little exchange to me was better than the bigger fight in the Broly movie, that I barely remember. It was short, but had a lot more of an impact than Gogeta and Janemba punching each other for ten minutes would have had. Gogeta shows up, looks ridiculously powerful, and goes away, and to me that was enough.
There's something funny about base form Gohan taking out Frieza in one shot here, followed by Frieza returning the favor in his next movie appearance.
Well this is technically Ultimate Gohan, while he doesnt have the eyes from the start, its evident that its actually Ultimate and not just base
@@thelatinoguyLate, but the anime hadn’t introduced Ultimate yet. Plus, Ultimate was supposed to be his new base form in the manga.
@@ningenslayer6306 hmm interesting. Honestly Im pretty sure the understanding is that Ultimate Gohan isnt supposed to be a form that he takes, its just all his power on the surface, like how it is in GT
I'm beyond excited for the finale of the manga, even if it means a big change for DBD (moving into DBGT). I've been here since 2012 and it feels weird to finally be so close to the end. Many congratulations on these last 10 years; looking forward to many more!
I hope he cover GT, but Super...I might skip that
@@Jose-se9pu I don’t like super much but seeing Lance go full surgeon on that series sounds like a blast
@Gaius Octavius I don't know how irrational his dislike of super is. Mistarefusion has always been good about explaining where he's coming from with his opinions on the franchise as a whole. If you follow him on Twitter he goes into great detail about super.
Honestly, the artwork for this movie looks really good - while the manga’s art is more rough during the Boo arc, the anime is at some of its most polished. The characters can look very intimidating and ‘cool,’ but can also be very expressive - something that was lost as Dragon Ball attempted to recapture this style in later eras.
I've always hated the modern "plastic"-ish artstyle Dragon Ball had ever since Battle of Gods, perhaps even earlier. Looks so boring and lifeless.
@@DarkkirbyKRPG The Super Broli film got rid of that aesthetic at least, though it still pops up from time to time to this day.
I hate whenever it’s applied to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z especially though - at least hire an artist who can replicate how the art looked at the time, if you need new art that is.
@Alexander Divi Filius That guy that was in charge of BOG, Resurrection F and Super, Yamamuro, is the same guy that did this movie, plus was the character designer in the Cell and Buu Saga. I think he's off the main series now, when it returns and he's just gonna be on DB Heroes now.
@DarkK~ Yep, that's been Yamamuro's style, way before BOG.
Vegeta, "you know? I know you're playing me. But you're right."
After video: Lance. I appreciate you so much. Your energy, your expertise, your analysis, and your gripes. Its helped me move through this murky year with a little extra pep in my step. Thank you.
I really appreciated how even under all the outside disgust vegeta has for goku, vegeta still deeply cares for him. I also like the continuity into GT where vegeta suggests fusion and does it perfectly the first time
GT is Movie Canon then??
@@rossbarr-scragg4076 kinda bro. Not all the movies follow into GT, only some of them. And don't forget that the Z tv anime (filler included) follows into gt aswell. So from what I remember, movie 1 with garlic jr, the cooler movies, wrath of the dragon and fusion reborn are the only movies that follow into GT.
@@daizenmarcurio Z filler already followed into this movie!
@@BagOfMagicFood true!
@@daizenmarcurio Also at least the first Broly movie since Paragus makes an appearance in fusion reborn as one of Freeza’s henchmen.
I always loved how the front shot of Gogeta is exactly half his face being Vegeta (his right half), and the other half Goku (his left half)
What's this bullshit, you all keep saying? If you look at DB characters, their face on both sides, never look even. The animators weren't going for that at all lol
@@jasonone8726 Mandela effect most likely... Yes nearly all DB characters have the same face
It would be really funny to see Vegeta being stuck in the spin cycle for a moment, and he comes out being disgustingly nice and cute, and smiling, before returning back to normal
Wow, it’s a pleasant surprise to hear DBD is continuing to GT. I was thinking the series was gonna end with the conclusion of the Buu saga, but now I’m looking forward to more.
Jeez Louise! Good on you for powering through an injury like that. The worst I have to deal with is chronic insomnia, so that’s why I’m watching this at 4am on Christmas morning. I love your work and I’m glad to be supporting you, and I’m very happy to hear that DBD is going beyond Z into GT. Merry Christmas and happy new year!
If this came out seconds ago how could this comment of yours be 6 days ago?
@@indepth9930 Patreon probably
@@AnUncreativeGuy if it isn’t patreon it’s probably a glitch
_Challenge everything_
@@indepth9930 Patreon. Early access.
I hope your arm heals soon, suprised you were able to push through with that injury
Holy SHIT I am excited for GT
I love GT despite it's flaws and can't wait till then
Happy new year everyone
What annoys me is that I like what people consider to be flaws
Having the last installment of DBDD with Dragon Ball's original run is kind of sad and melancholic, but all of that was thrown away the moment you confirmed DBGTD as an actual thing and progress for the channel and show! God I'm so excited!! Even if I know the show with the many moments and ideas I love is gonna be teared to shreds lmao
To me Gogeta’s 2 minutes of screen time may be short but for me he makes the most out of it. So many times in the series we see or are told about how a character COULD have stopped a threat long before a situation became dire. After hearing so many excuses as to why they didn’t just do that and straight went for the kill and actually going all out right from the get go and ending a threat for good rather than gambling the fate of the universe on having a satisfying match. It was nice to see for once a character who as soon as he is born/takes stage actually do that wasting no time while doing it in the most badass of ways. It’s much more satisfying to me than Vegito’s several episode plan of half assing Buu just so he can get him desperate and try to save everyone when they could have been wished back with the DragonBalls which is exactly what ends up happening anyway. Say what you will about Gogeta but in all his appearances he at least pushes the plot forward as opposed to others.
Goku & vegeta don't kill innocent people
@@donovanjr284 "Vegeta don't kill innocent people." Why do you think he's in hell?
@@spartanq7781 king Yama gave him another chance and look how far he has progressed
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"Don't fuck with Dragon Ball fans
We haven't watched the show"
@@ALocalClown I mean, he's right about that one tho. Vegeta hasn't killed innocents since then.
I find you super admirable for not only the ever-improving content you strive to put out, but for always taking moments to express such genuine appreciation for the career you've found yourself in. Dealing with the craziness of that injury notwithstanding, that's some serious luck that it wasn't worse!
I'll be rooting for you through the end of the manga and beyond, and your other projects as well! Have a happy new year, Lance!
Really excited to see you cover GT. It a part of the series that really occupies a strange place in modern Dragon Ball, so I'm curious to hear your own thoughts on it. Since GT is not an adaptation, but an original series, does that also mean those videos will be more in the style of traditional DBD rather than DBDTV?
Yes, that is what that means. DBD TV has always been structured more as a supplement, which doesn't really serve much of a purpose beyond the first two television series.
Thank you Lance for another amazing year of DBD! Hard to believe we've come soo close to the end of the journey. Hope you're doing well, and excited for the next episode in 2022!
Can’t wait for the GT dissection!! Thank you for an amazing year of constant discussion and points that I’ve never thought of for myself. Started watching the dissection about 5 years ago. Love every moment. Thanks again and happy new year!
Just remembered I own a Vegeta cel from this movie that Ryo Horikawa signed so despite not liking the movie...a literal piece of it is one of the most important things in my collection. Karma has a real good sense of humor towards my pettiness lol 🤣
Been watching since 2016 or so, I believe. You kept me entertained at work, as I'd listen to you cover the series while typing up court documents. Here's to many more years! Thank you.
Honestly with how Fusion characters are handled in the series (Z, GT, and Super) it's rather refreshing to get a Fusion character who solves the issue with time to spare rather then seeing them joke around so much that the fusion ends up wearing out before they can do their final attack. It also doesn't help that every other time they use Gogeta, he's just Vegetto with a different look.
21:30 Gotta tell you, after weeks of seeing Vegetto stans getting hopping mad at you for "Vegetto, the Bootleg Gogeta" (usually over an opinion you don't even have), this was pretty frickin' satisfying.
Sigh. People, am I right? ;-)
Very satisfying culmination to the whole thing, isn't it?
This along with Bojack Unbound are my favorite Dragon Ball movies. The art and animation in this movie is just flat out GORGEOUS. And Janemba while not interesting as a character, is interesting as a concept (the whole bad energy personified) and his abilities are very fun and distinct from the usual key blast and punch punch kick of other villains. I wish the OG series took more from this because this movie is filled with good ideas
As someone who really likes GT, I'm so happy to hear you're going to review it!
6:38 Well at this point, the rules don't exactly matter right now since the entire afterlife is currently being distorted, so that's why I don't see a problem with Frieza returning besides him being overused.
What a gnarly injury! You must have a Namekian healing factor and the pain tolerance of Vegeta to finish the workload of DBDecember after all that.
"Gnarly"? Is it the 90s already?
@@horaciosi 😂, sometimes I break out the 90's colloquialisms for the hell of it. Dragon Ball Z takes me to that place more frequently.
Whoa, did NOT expect such a positive response to the movie. Caught me off guard since you usually pummel the films.
It seemed pretty obvious...actually looking at the films how this one would be received.
This movie has Gotenks fighting Hitler.
I mean, what else could you want from a DBZ movie???
Jokes aside, I love this movie, it has the over the top Z fights (with some impresive animation), while it has the sillyness and humor of the original series.
Vegeta: "I rather die than fuse with you!"
Goku: "but Vegeta...you are already dead"
Vegeta: *literally cries*
Vegeta: "Nani?"
Sorry, but someone had to do it.
I do like how they were able to put this in the gba game Buu's Fury between Goku returning to the afterlife and just as soon as Good Buu releases his evil side. Because ignoring Goku fighting in the other world tournament and Gohan on the Supreme Kai planet this would be the best place to put it in.
Underrated how perfectly fit into Buu's Fury this movie is.
Lance received a Saiyan near death power up! What doesn't kill him makes him stronger! His power is MAXIMUMER!
This is one of my top 3 favorite Dragon Ball Z movies. I'm glad the movies were done milking Broli for all he's worth in order to do something different. This movie animation and art direction are among the best in Dragon Ball, especially with Janemba. Him dissolving and reassembling is all hand drawn without an ounce of CGI. If it were made today, it would definitely be CGI and look like crap. Modern Dragon Ball movies needlessly throw in CGI in areas that should be hand drawn.
Gardetrace watches MistareFusion? Well that’s another reason to be subscribed to him, he’s got good taste.
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Yep, he's my favorite Dragon Ball TH-camr and one of only 3 Dragon Ball TH-camrs I've been watching lately.
@@Gardetrace Same here, keep up the good work.
@@Gardetrace Probably should’ve known you watch these videos, since you incorporated much of the terminology he uses in them into your own over time. As if watching somehow converted you away from the dub of the anime more and more.
I really like this movie, my favorite DBZ movie. It has one of the best Vegeta versions ever, period. Goku's depiction is not insane and purely moronic, unlike say Super. The fighting is plenty good, and not just pure ki blasting, you actually see the martial arts; heck, you can actually see the differences in fighting style and intelligences between Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Trunk/Goten/Gotenks, specially the two leads.
And I like Gogeta - he doesn't overstay his welcome, and he was never the point of the movie. The journey was. We knew, Goku and Vegeta knew, if they did fusion right, it was game over. The point was to reach a successful fusion. There wouldn't be a point to a lengthy fight for him. He came, he saw, he conquered, he looked good doing it, and he fucked off. And it really shows their personalities (which was already being presented in their best forms) together: they know that form is a tool, they know they have a time limit, they know they have to win and they know they vastly overpower Janemba. No bullshit prolonging the fight for fun against what wasn't even a trully sentient enemy (just madness and evil manifest taking over an incompetent ogre). No bullshit overly long monologue "I am the king of all sayans blah blah blah moustache". It is Goku and Vegeta on serious mode getting the job they meant to do done. And I wouldn't have wanted it any other way, tbh.
I actually never questioned the missing halo's on the dead on earth vs Vegeta/Goku having one. The barrier between the living world and the afterlife is gone, but I always figured that the dead regain their bodies and life in a way when they go to the living world. So Goku/Vegeta don't have them, as they are in the afterlife.
It does clash a little bit with Goku/Vegeta/Grandpa Gohan having halo's when they are brought back by Baba, but that is just a small thing lol
Maybe because Baba's resurrections were legal and not due to Otherworld being out of whack? And Goku and Vegeta didn't breach the living world so they get to keep theirs? I think I'm most definitely reaching but this is just a guess
I found DBD just this year during DBDD with the episodes on Gotenks, nostalgic-ly one of if not my favorite characters in the series. After discovering that you weren't just picking random topics and were going through the entire series, I immediately began at the beginning and binged the entire Playlist (Movies and DBDTV included) over the past few weeks. This is an amazing project! While I don't always agree, I always appreciate your view and eloquence in presenting them. Keep up the amazing work! Congrats on 10 years!
Oh and the power ranger stuff is pretty rad too!
I was like 12 when I saw that movie on TV in the early 2000s and one of the things that stuck with me was how ominously Vegeta simply disolved out of existence in that beautiful, yet melancholic way. And I’m not even a fan of that character. Glad to see that moment still stands strong.
And about that injury… ouch, man! I thought it wasn’t literally! Your commitment to the dissection holiday is greatly appreciated!
I'm so glad to hear you're going to keep working on Dragon Ball undefinitedly with GT and (who knows?) Even Super in some years. Thanks for all the hard work and have a great 2022!
In my opinion this is the best looking dragon ball z movie
WOOHOOOOOOOOO WE’RE GETTING THE GRAND TOUR
I feel like Paikuhan becoming more comedic in this movie might have something to do with Piccolo becoming more comedic in the Boo arc aswell. A Piccolo clone till the very end.
There's the possibility that the thick outline was because those parts of the movie were meant to have 3D effects. Same about the weird otherworld beans and other odd compositional choices. It's possible the original plan was to make it watchable with those blue-and-red glasses back in the day, but Toei ended up not going through with it and left it as plain 2D animation.
I've searched and found no hard confirm on this ( and these days with Super Hero in the horizon it won't be easy to find info on 3D effects of this movie, if there's any, plus 1995 production details are not exactly easy to come by), but it might be an explanation worth looking into.
I'm glad to hear that your doing well. And I'm glad that you'll continue the series with Dragon Ball GT coming up next! Which is great since I've literally just finished re watching GT over a week ago and can't wait to hear your thoughts on it!
The PSP game based on this movie is actually pretty great. Actually uses the whole idea of villains coming back to life properly unlike this movie or GT. I don't think there's as much comedy in it (Hitler doesn't appear), but the structure of the game has it so everyone is flying all over the place trying to accomplish different goals and running into different enemies, a bit like the Namek saga. And it ends with Vegeta using a Kamehameha!
Yess shin budokai was one of my intros to dragon ball and I ended up feeling underwhelmed by this movie when I watched it after playing the game
I kind of wish you spoke a bit more about the impressiveness of how the film looks. You mentioned it being visually appealing and talked about the thicker outlines, but in terms of the colors used, all the cool and visually interesting techniques Janemba does, and just the actual quality of the animation itself are all remarkable in this movie. In fact I’d say it’s the best that original DBZ looked.
I am actually 100% agreeing with you here on what you said about this movie, and this video was absolutely fantastic and a great ending to DBD December. THank you for giving us such so much great content, not just over December, but over all those years =) Also let me tell you that I am really surprised AND happy that you gonna do GT as well! As a GT enjoyer, I am not expecting to agree on everything in your videos when they come, but hey: That is neither the point of those videos, nor the reason why I watch them! I just love seeing someone taking their time watching and reading through all of this and giving us their actual analytical opinion of it instead of just taking everything at face value! So again, I can't wait for stuff that is to come, and have a happy new year! =D
Can´t wait to hear your opinion about Pan, Trunks and Uub
Hope you arm heals well, USA medical system and prices always scare the shit out of my free healthcare.
About the movie... i always liked the funny parts and Veku having more screen time than Gogeta is something that i never noticed xD
Hope you have a great 2022
Even though Gogeta only last 2 minutes on the film, it felt so much satisfactory, literally receiving the punch without flinching and one-shooting the enemy not with a Ki-Blast but something that disintegrates the enemy and leave the ogre intact, is simply so satisfactory to me at least. Also the fact that Gogeta didn't wasted any time and solved the situation inmediatly made him my better version of the fusion until this day.
All the playing around was already done as Veku :p
This movie brilliantly melds together fun comedy with the over the top action. It's the best of both worlds. They actually developed Vegeta better than he has been in the series by this point. He's actually tolerable here. I too wish everyone negged Vegeta the way Goku does in this movie. It would make far more sense why they tolerate him. Due to being able to trick him into doing what they want with Vegeta swallowing his pride. His send-off was spectacularly done as well. Toei outdone Toriyama in this department by a country mile.
Omg now I finally have a reason to watch GT!
I found this series in the past couple months and I cant even express how much joy it's given me.
For years I felt like what I enjoyed about DB and what the fans liked couldn't be anymore different. To find a channel that actually focuses on story instead of all the ACTION PACKED FIGHTS FOR THE SAKE OF FIGHTS is by far one of the major highlights for me this year and once I get a job I'm gonna join the patreon
Thanks so much! It's always nice to find other people who are focused on that too, and much nicer than the comments that say, "U watch Dargonall for teh story? lolz!"
I'm so happy for you! From finding you through Lady Zeon, to excitedly waiting for your next vids, to chatting with you in the BG breakroom about random stuff. Its great to see how things have been amazing for you (except truck-kun's attack on you) and I hope it keeps getting better. I also got excited for you when TFS gave you a shoutout in their DBCember countdown. Nothing but love
Thank you Lance for everything this year.
Not just your dragon ball videos.
You helped make this year better for what it's worth. Your dragon ball videos are my favorite for one of my favorite series.
The last 2 months have been harder than I could have ever seen coming.
A break up with my best friend I've had for over 5 years has messed up my life more than I thought.
(I'm very happy seeing you move into GT, I've always hoped you would!)
Lance was almost reincarnated into another world! Maybe hopefully the Dragon Ball world as Yamcha
Here's to a decade of fantastic content. Thank you.
The Frieza scene really does diminish him and all the previous villains as a potential threat. 1 punch, Frieza goes poof, and immediately all the other baddies start screaming in fear, run off, and fall to their second deaths because a lot of 'em apparently forget they can fly.
It showed how much stronger everyone had gotten by this point. Frieza was still at the level he was when he died. I thought that episode when Pikkon and Goku were in Hell was much worse. Frieza gets the Ginyu Force on Goku and is surprised that he easily beat them. Now that's diminishing Frieza. 😂
I'd actually say this was the best animated Dragon Ball film, as the animation is quite remarkable compared with previous efforts.
Gogeta has no personality whatsoever, but it does destroy the villain in the most effective way every shown in Dragon Ball. It's like a lesser version of Saitama, who would have destroyed Janemba with only one punch.
Aww, I love Saitama's personality. He's easily one of the best characters in OPM.
I scarcely comment, but I just wanted to express some appreciation for you and your work, Lance.
You’ve spent a long time crafting a genuinely great series and slowly built up a lovely community.
The announcement of more Dragon Ball Dissection was a great belated gift for the holidays. As much as I am convinced you have the skill and capacity to make great content for whatever you set out to do, I would be lying not to say that there just is a special kind of charm to DBD.
Thank you for another great year of hard work and I hope this next year goes great for you.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this movie is a "favorite" for certain fans only because of Gogeta, and that all the comedy along the way is just something they put up with to get to that part. Especially since I even tend to see fans of Gogeta claiming he's better than Vegito solely because of how short his screen time is and that he instantly finishes off his opponent without screwing around.
Speaking of comedy, however, if there is any constancy to the thicker outlines I think it is as a stylized element to help further set apart the scenes that aren't supposed to be taken seriously. Gotten and Trunks get the thicker outline because they are used more like gag fighters, whereas Goku, Vegeta, and even Gohan are all more serious, so they get the normal thinner outlines.
Well yes and no for me I liked the comedy but I also think Gogeta is better because of how he acts. Vegito tends to act like an overconfident ass and at first it was a planned thing with buu but then we got super. Honestly seeing Gogeta in super broly was refreshing while they really destroyed vegito in super at least to me.
@@mr.protagonist5639: if anything I think super balances them out more.
Vegeito is pretty aggressively ontop of his fight with Zamasu, failing not because he wasted time, but because his time got cut unexpectedly short. Conversely, Gogeta is a touch more frivolous, as despite knowing he has an even shorter time limit, he still pauses to consider what his name should be. He also doesn't jump straight to Blue, dawdling and needlessly dragging the fight out as a regular Super Saiyan. One could argue that's only because Gogeta knew it would cut his time short like it did Vegito, but he never seems to have any uncertainty about using Blue when he finally does, whereas if he was trying to conserve his limited time one might have thought he'd try God first.
For me at least, because of DBS I no longer see much difference between the two. Just the same guy wearing different clothes.
My favorite of the old Dragon ball Z movie in the late 80s and early 90s.
I remember loving the sound effects they put to Janemba's abilities, especially when he teleports or uses his sword.
It’s been a journey! I’ve been here since episode one and even before that your Dragon Box videos! Thank you so much for everything you do.
Thanks for this one Lance! This is my favorite movie out of all the original 17 Dragon Ball movies.
Oof. Hope you get better soon after the truck incident.
Also when you get around to the final of the original movies, you should rank them all like you do the arcs of the series... and when you get around to GT? Maybe do a similar thing with the arcs with no manga equivalents (The dress arc, garlic jr arc, otherworld tournament, and the 4 arcs of GT)
Toei really did beat Toriyama to the punch here in quite a lot of ways.
It's not that big of a deal for a spectacle piece, but regarding what you said about Gogeta not fighting...
It's always nice to know that Dragon Ball fans care so little about anything other than fighting that the only responses you seem to be getting about it try to counter that the "fight" itself doesn't need to be dragged out and Gogeta I guess just can't do anything else in the brief moment he exists.
Gogeta could brought the ogre back to Yemma, small interaction showing his personality...but that would only detract from the seriousness somehow. Vegeta's phase shift could've happened after that, wouldn't have been too long.
I bet Lance is exhausted. It's crazy that he does this every year.
It just occurred to me that you've been doing DBD for almost as long as Toriyama did DB, (3836 days from 11/20/84 to 5/23/95, to 3629 days from 1/24/12 to 12/31/21), though I don't know if that was intentional or one hell of a coincidence.
To be fair, though, coming up with Goku fusing with Vegeta is a no brainer, considering they were rivals for some time now, the series itself teased the possibility of it (during Goku's initial introduction of the technique in Kami's Palace), and the fact that their children did the fusion themselves already, but especially compared to the Dende thing, that one came out of nowhere.
While Gohan's eyes are drawn like in his normal state, his hair here is drawn as his post-power up version, i always looked at this Gohan as being already "Ultimate Gohan".
The Shenlong scene is VITAL, because otherwise we wouldn't get that one joke in the very end lol.
I agree with that this movie strikes a good balance of what Dragon Ball is all about, that's why it's among the better ones for me, it's not on the level of DB movies 2 and 3, but it's up there, i find it interesting how the earliest and latest movies were the best while the middle movies were utter trash, thank you for this review series, some of the best out there, and i'm glad you survived your accident lol.
Thank you for all your hard work Lance. Your work makes me think and appreciate a series that has been in my life for 20 years
I love the sense of weight and motion in the fight between Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Janemba's second form; there's something about it that I've never quite seen done in other animated works. The balance of floatiness and impact...it's in Gogeta's brief moments, too.
(Also, this is absolutely the movie that wrote the book on the Goku/Vegeta ship, for the section of the fandom that digs that. Check out the lyrics to its theme song, even)
Woah! You powered through an injury just to complete the December month? Props to you man. I’ve been watching your content for a short while now and I’ll say that I’m really impressed at the amount of detail and analysis you put into these videos. I’m excited to hear that you’ll be including GT! Good luck man happy new year!
That sucks about the accident :(
Thanks for the continued quality videos!
@14:09 TFS Piccolo basically took a page out of this Goku's book when he played on Vegeta's ego regarding fighting Gero.
Whoa! Glad you are okay and quite impressed you put out four more videos this month after your accident! Thanks so much!
Yay!!!! I’m so glad your covering GT!!!!! Thanks lance!!!!!!! I loooooovveeeeeeee you!!!
Dang...hit by a truck! Take care, and I look forward to more to come in 2022!
Hopefully your doing better mistare , you make amazing videos that help me get through the days . Keep up the amazing work and happy new year!
WOW THANK YOU FOR PUTTIN OUT GOOD CONTENT EVEN AFTER INJURY legendary
Will you cover also the GT Manuha from china? It was a offical "sort of" licensed manga version of GT after it aired in Japan.
No, I don't have any plans to cover that.
YOOO GT!? Literally cannot wait! Thanks for all the consistent content, always a relaxing watch for me
4:04 World's Strongest was embarrassingly on the nose to me as well. Blue Saibamen? Piccolo killing the Saibaman the exact same way? Goku doing a Kaio ken times 4 again. Genki Dama looking exactly like the one used on Vegeta.
at first i thought, "yeah, this is some AU where Gotenks beats Buu." Vegeta stays dead, Goku IS dead, but Goku knows the steps because he taught the boys.
But then you pointed out some stuff that destroys that notion - Vegeta is in Hell and not in standby, Gohan's training....I guess got aborted, and Videl is baffled by Shernon. Huh. Chalk it up to one of those movies that just exists in its own continuity.
but at least goten and trunks fight the fuhrer
Not a single mention Janemba's first form was literally Baby "NOT THE MOMMA" Sinclair!!!
ONE JOBE!!
Oorf, that arm damage, I'm so sorry that happened & I hope you're better now!
Thank you! I am better now, minus a little scarring that's getting less and less visible over time.
Big news. Maybe it's time to visit GT, what I haven't done since 2003 when It first aired in Brazil. Glad you found a way to keep doing this, you're the best in YT on Dragon Ball regards. Good new year and thank you for the awesome content.
This was a great review, loved the Vegeta points especially.
A truck!?!?!
GT! GT! GT!
I find it somewhat odd that it wasn't a deceased Commander Red and Red Ribbon Army Trunks and Goten were figthing. Can't help but imagine how hilarious it would be to see Red with a hole between his eyes from when Black shot him and being beaten up by two kids this time. Guess a Hitler knock-off was more amusing that the already short angry man they had.
But how can Paikuhan be out of character when he never had a character to begin with?
This ^
My favorite quote is from Hitler
"Blonde Hair, Green Eyes and Super Strength?! I should be recruiting them!"
Like wtf! Lol
Damn truck-kun really had it out for you
It was for all his complaints about Vegeta over the years.
I just realized that DBD began on my 17th birthday in 2012. Can't believe I'm already about to be 27.
So we are doing GT next? Mind blown. Looking forward to it dude!
Happy New Mistare Fusion,
Hope your Arm recovers soon.
Glad you're ok Lance. All your content is awesome, for the record. I came to the channel because I heard about this series, but I've loved your DK videos as well, and especially MMZR. Even if I don't agree with every aspect of your reviewing framework, your comments are insightful and interesting, and frankly you just do an excellent job researching and presenting your topics. Here's to a new year with fewer unwanted automotive interactions and more deep dives into topics that interest you.
This has been a heck of a ride. I found your channel back when you started covering the Frieza arc from the manga and it's been fun. Looking forward to seeing you go through GT. For all it's issues I enjoyed it so seeing you dissect it will be a good time lol
This movie is such a step up from Bio Broly in every way for me.
Really hope you're okay. Thanks so much for the content you give us, and I look forward to what ever you do next.
Gogeta is kinda has the Trunks Factor to him... Cause think about it. Fusion WINS the DAY in this movie its not a fake out... Gogeta is direct and to the point as opposed to Gotenks and Bigger Gotenks who are largely jokey characters. People just respect characters WHO GET SHIT DONE. Is it kinda anticlimactic sure. Gogeta doesn't have personality but thats kinda been the issue with Fusion, The Personality is being a Cocky little fuck like Gogeta is infected with it in GT just as badly as Vegetto in DB
Gogeta is treated as the solution to the problem... he solves the problem unlike the myriad of Fake outs and Drawnout final battles that got to get to tension point due to the heroes wasting their advantage which has plagued the Cell and Buu arc
That said I think the rest of the movie is great
So in other words M12!Gogeta is a Mirai Trunks knock off.
He's also going to do GT? Wow thank you! I'm looking forwards to it!
9:54 - They're not just any people. Those are the Toei Animation staff responsible for the movie.
Something about Gohan defeating Frieza in a single blow always stood out to me. Not sure how to explain it but its something about how Frieza beat Gohan up as a kid, only to comeback to life for round two... but then its over before it begins. While I could be disappointed it was a short "battle", its also fun to think about how much stronger that implies Gohan has gotten since his childhood.
Im looking forward to your GT coverage, much like the original series I've only caught an episode or two. You could say Im missing a lot but... I think stuff like the pacing would put me off, and Goku is actually one of my least favorite characters of the series. Not in a bad way, I just wish everyone else was given more spotlight. Oddly, Vegeta is my favorite. Your review of the original was a very digestible and insightful way to learn the major storybeats and context.
My idea on it is that its the world where Gohan beat Buu, so Goku and Vegeta are still dead, Goten and Trunks know fusion, and Gohan is in Ultimate
19:30 Oddly enough, it is ベクウ in supplementary materials, which *ought* to be pronounced the way you’d expect. Odd that it’s not said that way in the film proper.