I tried formula vee nearly 40 years ago in a scarab the late Stuart Rolt built for me. Brands Hatch was an ambition for me and my position in the race and my view of events was very much like this. My career was very brief due to external factors but I can tell my grandchildren that I raced at Brands Hatch. Thank you for this video. I remember now how scared I was!
I have one of Andy's later cars, the Scarab Mk5. I crashed it heavily a Silverstone a couple of years ago, but I plan to start rebuilding it this winter...
Curious: since these cars must be quite draggy, wouldn’t it be better to be in the slipstream as much as possible? Most of the time you left the slipstream quite early and you can immediately see your speed decrease as your car battles to punch through the air. What made you take that line? I’m not very familiar with Formula Vee so I could be missing something. Lovely videos always, amazing telemetry.
@@andiminthegarage7081 your life, your car, mate. I'm sure it's really scary when you do it. Your tire management and corner exits and so on are superb, you really have tons of grip, so obviously you're very good. Just something that caught my attention and I thought I'd ask. Thank you for the reply.
This series looks like a lot of fun! There's a few moments such as 3:10, into druids and graham hill, where you are compromising your line looking up the inside for a move that isn't on, better to keep to a traditional line and stay closer for the following corners. You do it 2 laps later into surtees which is particularly harmful as you then aren't as close for the slipstream down the main straight. Not hating or anything just offering some advice. Best of luck with the racing bro!
I thought Druids was my best chance of overtaking as I felt I was fairly good on the brakes so probably got sucked into trying it too often. I might have been better looking for opportunities at other corners. Thanks for the feedback 😁
The v was a fun car to drive I had one from 1975 to 1986 hated sell the car but life got in the way .the next best thing to the v are the cycle carts .❤❤❤
By inside, I assume you mean the shallower line. In theory a wide entry, turning in at the service road is the quickest line, but my confidence in the car wasn't great, having had a few offs at that corner in previous races, which probably made it look slower than it should have been. 😂😂
Hi there. Great video. Congrats on the great result. Can you tell me please what camera you are using? Also is there a special configuration and/or app you are using to have so many information on the screen? Thank you so much. Best regards from Brazil.
The camera is GoPro Hero 7 Black and the data is an app called RaceChrono Pro (on Apple amd Androod) on my phone, linked to a Garmin Glo GPS module for better accuracy. It gives some great data. You download the GoPro footage to the app, and this is the result 😁😁
From around 2:35, when you catched up to that car ahead, was it the dirty air or any other reasons that you didn't follow the slipstream from that guy? I saw you left the slipstream quite premature so I am curious
Looks like they tried to go wide into turn 1 and do the switchback underneath the car in front so they'd have the inside for turn 2, but didn't carry enough speed at the apex compared to the previous lap.
As @mboothy said, as you can see from my speed delta, I made a lousy job of keeping the speed up around Paddock, despite the good slipstream down the straight. If I had, I might have had a chance up the inside a Druids.
This was awesome. How much effect does slipstream have on these cars? I saw that you left the trailing earlier than I expected, but I have also never driven these before so I became curious. Great content. 😄
That's the result of celebrating with a large three course meal and 2 bottles of Prosecco...🥂🥂🥂 My cognitive function was somewhat impaired, though I've no idea where 2015 came from...😂😂
I don’t know very much about racing, so I’m wondering, what do you think about drafting? It doesn’t seem like you always do this in the straights. Thanks for the video. The pov helps me learn proper racing lines. Cheers.
Yes drafting does play a crucial part in racing. Some sports more than others because particularly in bikes it works wonders but it doesn’t have much of the same effect in these cars by the looks of it. Theres also not much of a straight for the slipstream to be effective.
@@Nathan_Langdon It has a significant effect with these cars actually. OP was just understandably not super aggressive because these cars are a bitch to handle and you don't want to send it to hot in them on the corners because they will spin out very quick. It takes a lot of skill to drive these vees.
only in the final 2 laps he realized hisx driving was not effective. The turns were all wrong thatts why i could not get ccloser or overtake. Good Race
Лаконичные болиды и легендарная трасса, напомнило формулу 1 из 70ых годов, чем я сейчас увлекаюсь, благодоря сим рейсингам! К сожалению, видео про те года в хорошем качестве не найти, в отличии от вашего! А современная ф1 не интересует. В отличии от младших серий, как видно! Красиво снято, аккуратная езда! Спасибо за видео!
Ah, another SIM "racer" who has a reset button. We don't. We are self funded racers who pay for and/or do our own repairs. This was the first meeting back after a major rebuild, and I was being cautious. If you think you can do better I suggest buy a car, take to the track, and show us what you're made of...
Lol like he doesn't know that, to the layperson it looks like he performed poorly but getting these slower open wheelers around the track properly takes some skill, he knows about the very basics of racing
These _are_ fun, but if you want to give the driver in this video a couple hundred thousand dollars to fund years of racing in a higher league, they may well be eager to take you up on that. :)
You need to learn how to draft better because you pull off to soon and also need to learn how to pass on late braking. It takes you forever to overtake someone.
I agree. Feels like the driver is also diving turn 2 a lot like they are going for a pass even if no one is there. Take that outside line, get a good run out and you can gain a tenth or two maybe.
In my defence, it was the first race back after having to rebuild the front of the car after a heavy accident at Donington, so I was probably a little more hesitant than I might have been. Crash damage can be expensive, and as a self funded racer with a limited budget, I'd prefer not to have the expense...
@@andiminthegarage7081 The caution does show. I fully understand. I run my iRacing similar. I prefer to run on the cautious side than push hard. I'm looking at getting a legends car and racing it as a self-funded racer. So I fully get it. They were a bit heavy on the brakes and such. Was more commenting on ways you might could increase that laptime if you are willing to risk the tires a bit. But at the same time, way to be aware of your surroundings and keeping an eye on the guy behind to not get in his/her way.
@@andiminthegarage7081 You can tell you had more pace than those around you. I know this was a while ago, but I hope you got some confidence back as you should be further up the field. There's still a few areas where you're leaving some time on the track, but nothing major.
Thanks for the feedback. I'd be interested to learn what experience you base this on. Tell you what, come to Brands and I'll let you drive the car and you can teach me how it should be done. I'm always up for learning. (Other race circuits are available...)
@@andiminthegarage7081 you didn't follow the optimal line and did not go into a space and didn't push for any chance where you could pass. @mymodel6 is right
I tried formula vee nearly 40 years ago in a scarab the late Stuart Rolt built for me. Brands Hatch was an ambition for me and my position in the race and my view of events was very much like this. My career was very brief due to external factors but I can tell my grandchildren that I raced at Brands Hatch. Thank you for this video. I remember now how scared I was!
There are some of the older Scarabs coming out o play occasionally, and I have a mk5 in the garage awaiting repair...
Very nice, clean driving. You picked your shots well!
Watching this before my wedding to calm my nerves 😬😅
one of the best racing videos ever. thax.
Excellent video, thank you!
Great view of the racing, great sounds, and also thankfully no cautions. :)
Thanks for sharing this.
13:46 - Definitly getting Mario kart banana skin vibes here
Hahaha. 😂😂😂😂😂
very big fun to see the racing! hats off for the driver :)
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Awesome video, i love the telemetry you have on screen too.
Thanks 👍
@@andiminthegarage7081 How is the rightmost timing (I guess it's the delta to your best lap) measured? Is it GPS based?
Great race craft there my friend! from a sim racer 😅 You're living my dream ! Awesome video 👍 👌
Back in the late 70’s early 80’s, I used to race in FF1600, this brought back a lot of memories……..Have you raced on the GP circuit? It’s amazing.
Great formula to start racing in . Raced for Andie Storer 1984 to 86.
I have one of Andy's later cars, the Scarab Mk5. I crashed it heavily a Silverstone a couple of years ago, but I plan to start rebuilding it this winter...
He built good engines. I drove one of his Scarabs.
Subscribed. Good stuff, I'm hoping to get into racing Vees here in the states one day since it is amazingly economical for motorsports.
It's almost definitely the least expensive form of single-seater circuit racing you can do
Great racing ! Engine/exhaust combo sounds good and great video quality , Thanks !
Glad you liked it!
This looks like the most fun car to drive
Love that you have the rear camera! keep it up 💪🏻
What's going on behind is sometimes as interesting than what's going on in front 🤣🤣
Was at my dinner while watching this. Forgot to eat😅. Clean racing.
13:45 back camera... 🙃
This might be their on board...
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Curious: since these cars must be quite draggy, wouldn’t it be better to be in the slipstream as much as possible? Most of the time you left the slipstream quite early and you can immediately see your speed decrease as your car battles to punch through the air.
What made you take that line? I’m not very familiar with Formula Vee so I could be missing something.
Lovely videos always, amazing telemetry.
I'll admit to being nervous of travelling too close in the slipstream. I'm aways worried about making contact. Something to work on next season...
@@andiminthegarage7081 your life, your car, mate. I'm sure it's really scary when you do it. Your tire management and corner exits and so on are superb, you really have tons of grip, so obviously you're very good. Just something that caught my attention and I thought I'd ask. Thank you for the reply.
I love these cars in iRacing. Some of the best sim racing happens in the little Vee. 😊
4:20 thats was SCARY
Took a bit too much kerb...
Good save! 😊
This series looks like a lot of fun! There's a few moments such as 3:10, into druids and graham hill, where you are compromising your line looking up the inside for a move that isn't on, better to keep to a traditional line and stay closer for the following corners. You do it 2 laps later into surtees which is particularly harmful as you then aren't as close for the slipstream down the main straight. Not hating or anything just offering some advice. Best of luck with the racing bro!
I thought Druids was my best chance of overtaking as I felt I was fairly good on the brakes so probably got sucked into trying it too often. I might have been better looking for opportunities at other corners.
Thanks for the feedback 😁
Awesome POV/Race
13:46 that obstacle took out the guy behind you lmao
Dick Dastardly at his finest 😂😂
Nice drive man !!
Thanks 🍻
Pure racing. F1 style aerodynamics kills the show.
Looks fun! Bit cautious, but presumably you just want to make it to the next grid 👍
I'd just repaired the car after a fairly big shunt at the last round. I wanted it back in the trailer in one piece...😂
Lol everytime out of turn one im like Go buddy go! I dont know what its actually like coming down that hill, im sure it wouldnt dissapoint
Me also! EatinTwoTunaSamouchesWhile admiring the quality of your video. Only missing a live map. ✝️
I'll add a map next time 👌
Great drive Phil!
The v was a fun car to drive I had one from 1975 to 1986 hated sell the car but life got in the way .the next best thing to the v are the cycle carts .❤❤❤
I think I finished 8th in that race. It was a lot of fun!
These things look so much fun irl. Small request tho can you mirror the rear camera so it acts like a mirror my brain cant really comprehend this.
Yeah that’s why it looks so damn weird 😅😅
Noted 😁 I've mirrored it on the latest videos.
I'm an editing novice 🤣🤣
That front end on track added to the racing a bit. Wide before the entry then tight as you can past it 😅😅. Good fun
is the rack force for the wheel hard or light ?
great racing!
Thanks! 👍
Would have shit my pants at 4:20. Haha
does the iRacing car handle similarly? (If youre able to answer that one, Im assuming) :)
Iracing uses the US version of the Vee, which is lower powered than the UK version. I would think the handling is similar.
Why are the steering links so song? Doesn't that induce bump steer?
Great car dude!! How did you ended up?? Greetings from Argentina🤘
Nice bit of driving
playstationing for real :))
Great vid thanks
That inside line in turn 1 generally seemed quicker, was it?
By inside, I assume you mean the shallower line. In theory a wide entry, turning in at the service road is the quickest line, but my confidence in the car wasn't great, having had a few offs at that corner in previous races, which probably made it look slower than it should have been. 😂😂
@@andiminthegarage7081 understood! Thanks for the reply.
my favorite track in ACC ! 😄
Hi there. Great video. Congrats on the great result. Can you tell me please what camera you are using? Also is there a special configuration and/or app you are using to have so many information on the screen? Thank you so much. Best regards from Brazil.
The camera is GoPro Hero 7 Black and the data is an app called RaceChrono Pro (on Apple amd Androod) on my phone, linked to a Garmin Glo GPS module for better accuracy.
It gives some great data. You download the GoPro footage to the app, and this is the result 😁😁
@@andiminthegarage7081 Thank you so much for the information.
From around 2:35, when you catched up to that car ahead, was it the dirty air or any other reasons that you didn't follow the slipstream from that guy? I saw you left the slipstream quite premature so I am curious
Looks like they tried to go wide into turn 1 and do the switchback underneath the car in front so they'd have the inside for turn 2, but didn't carry enough speed at the apex compared to the previous lap.
As @mboothy said, as you can see from my speed delta, I made a lousy job of keeping the speed up around Paddock, despite the good slipstream down the straight. If I had, I might have had a chance up the inside a Druids.
Are they required to all use the same tires?
Yes, we use a Hoozier control tyre.
This was awesome. How much effect does slipstream have on these cars? I saw that you left the trailing earlier than I expected, but I have also never driven these before so I became curious.
Great content. 😄
The slip stream has quite an effect. My race craft is poor, so I'm not using it to my advantage, but I'm working on it!!
Nooooooo! Why is it cut? I need to know! 🤣
Sorry!!
For some reason, the video cut off early, but that was the last lap, and I finished just behind thd two cars in front.
@@andiminthegarage7081 Thank you. :)
bro, I swear you better cut that damn tag on your left glove.
2023, huh?
May 2015? Feels like it was only yesterday 😂 great drive though!
That's the result of celebrating with a large three course meal and 2 bottles of Prosecco...🥂🥂🥂
My cognitive function was somewhat impaired, though I've no idea where 2015 came from...😂😂
@And I’m in The Garage! that's allowed 🤣
I don’t know very much about racing, so I’m wondering, what do you think about drafting? It doesn’t seem like you always do this in the straights.
Thanks for the video. The pov helps me learn proper racing lines.
Cheers.
Yes drafting does play a crucial part in racing. Some sports more than others because particularly in bikes it works wonders but it doesn’t have much of the same effect in these cars by the looks of it. Theres also not much of a straight for the slipstream to be effective.
@@Nathan_Langdon It has a significant effect with these cars actually. OP was just understandably not super aggressive because these cars are a bitch to handle and you don't want to send it to hot in them on the corners because they will spin out very quick. It takes a lot of skill to drive these vees.
only in the final 2 laps he realized hisx driving was not effective. The turns were all wrong thatts why i could not get ccloser or overtake. Good Race
Лаконичные болиды и легендарная трасса, напомнило формулу 1 из 70ых годов, чем я сейчас увлекаюсь, благодоря сим рейсингам! К сожалению, видео про те года в хорошем качестве не найти, в отличии от вашего! А современная ф1 не интересует. В отличии от младших серий, как видно! Красиво снято, аккуратная езда! Спасибо за видео!
я рад, что тебе понравилось!
🏎🏎🏎
The first move was kinda yikes, lock up and parks it very badly on the apex. No disrespect good racing throughout
Is it illegal to pass someone or are you just following the leader? And what's with the unnecessarily skinny tires?
Ah, another SIM "racer" who has a reset button.
We don't.
We are self funded racers who pay for and/or do our own repairs.
This was the first meeting back after a major rebuild, and I was being cautious.
If you think you can do better I suggest buy a car, take to the track, and show us what you're made of...
And the tyres are control tyres.
@asdf2593 I was making an educated guess, and if I was insecure, I wouldn't be posting my stuff online...
@@asdf2593 Its pretty clear when someone is behaving sarcastically like that, that they havent taken to a real track before.
@@andiminthegarage7081 That's why you also disabled likes/dislikes? No need to make yourself out like a tool.
Learn about to slipstream and over take.
Blue car knew.
Lol like he doesn't know that, to the layperson it looks like he performed poorly but getting these slower open wheelers around the track properly takes some skill, he knows about the very basics of racing
0 overtake😅
If you risk your life already, at least drive something more fun
These are loads of fun and not outrageously expensive in motorsport terms 😁
sounds like you know your shit about racecars
Such as? These look way more fun than most racing categories.
This looks super fun!
These _are_ fun, but if you want to give the driver in this video a couple hundred thousand dollars to fund years of racing in a higher league, they may well be eager to take you up on that. :)
You need to learn how to draft better because you pull off to soon and also need to learn how to pass on late braking. It takes you forever to overtake someone.
I agree. Feels like the driver is also diving turn 2 a lot like they are going for a pass even if no one is there. Take that outside line, get a good run out and you can gain a tenth or two maybe.
Yea, if you noticed the blue car catch up to you and overtake you in less than a lap.
In my defence, it was the first race back after having to rebuild the front of the car after a heavy accident at Donington, so I was probably a little more hesitant than I might have been. Crash damage can be expensive, and as a self funded racer with a limited budget, I'd prefer not to have the expense...
@@andiminthegarage7081 The caution does show. I fully understand. I run my iRacing similar. I prefer to run on the cautious side than push hard. I'm looking at getting a legends car and racing it as a self-funded racer. So I fully get it. They were a bit heavy on the brakes and such. Was more commenting on ways you might could increase that laptime if you are willing to risk the tires a bit. But at the same time, way to be aware of your surroundings and keeping an eye on the guy behind to not get in his/her way.
@@andiminthegarage7081 You can tell you had more pace than those around you. I know this was a while ago, but I hope you got some confidence back as you should be further up the field. There's still a few areas where you're leaving some time on the track, but nothing major.
Really annoyingly poor race craft, it shouldn't have taken 17 laps to figure out a way past a car that much slower than you...
Thanks for the feedback. I'd be interested to learn what experience you base this on. Tell you what, come to Brands and I'll let you drive the car and you can teach me how it should be done. I'm always up for learning.
(Other race circuits are available...)
@@andiminthegarage7081 you didn't follow the optimal line and did not go into a space and didn't push for any chance where you could pass. @mymodel6 is right
to leave a note: you did not push and you haven't learn your lines. lets practice more so we can watch better content
Bunch of Sim racers tossing criticism from their recliner. @@andiminthegarage7081
@@DBicakcipick a lap/corner/timestamp, and show me where I'm going wrong, as I'm keen to inprove