The SCAR-L / SCAR 16S, the weapon the Military forgot
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The SCAR-L / SCAR 16S in 5.56 is such an interesting weapon. It came at a time when the M-4's reputation was dubious amongst many in the Military community. Although the SCAR-L ultimately fell out of usage with the Military it is still none the less in usage amongst certain units in the US Military such as the 75th Ranger Regiment.
00:00 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S awesome intro
01:12 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S intro
02:22 SCAR-L Full Disclosures on business relationships
03:10 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S Review Begins
03:47 SCAR-L muzzle device / suppressor
05:56 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S barrel
07:22 no problem with long range shots
09:00 SCAR-L / SCAR16S Handguard (PMM Upgrades)
10:38 SCAR-L Non Reciprocating Charging Handle
12:03 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S Very Long Stroke Gas Piston system
13:29 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S Longevity of parts
14:37 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S controls
16:10 Weird cheap grip / crap trigger
17:41 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S Iron Sights
18:20 SCAR-L / SCAR 16S Ugg Boot Stock
19:58 Final thoughts on the SCAR-L / SCAR 16S
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If you've ever wanted to buy a gun that Garand Thumb has, then realised it was 3000$ +, and stuck with a good old budget AR, go ahead and hit that subscribe button
Or just get a Robinson Arms XCR for half that price
It’s also a registered SBR so tack on another $200 and the ATF controls you…
Protect your family with the Rittenhouse special
I just shell out the money
I had an ACR and replaced everything but the stock with a SCAR.
I’ve used the SCAR-L in my kits across multiple special operations and deployments into the Tarkov area with M855A1 and never had an issue. More than 47 dog tags have been claimed by my SCAR-L. 8.5/10
*heavy guitar music fades in*
While you have been cleaning up all the players, scavs and bosses I've been hiding the shadows waiting camping the bodys of your victims drinking nothing but milk and eating crackers. I am your soul claimer your mouse and keyboard breaker I am a rat.
How often does mummy bathe you?
i am an ELITE SF in TARKOV myself as well LOLOLOL
that enlarged model in first person makes it unusable to me, especially compared to the m4 with 200 more rate of fire.
I think the real question every one has is why did the Czechs who, aren't known for their waffles have a waffle pattern on their Bren 806's magazine well, while the Belgians, who are known for their waffles chose to omit this feature on the SCAR?
Glad to know I’m not the only one who’s lost sleep over this question.
Czech Republic actually has badass waffles and a neat waffle pattern cookie...
Did you know that there is a waffle maker available that makes you a Bob Ross shaped waffle?
I know, I know. Incredible. Thats what I said.
These are the questions that need to he asked indeed my good sir
The hard questions needing real answers.
"If you don't train, you're still just gonna be a really valuable loot drop for somebody." Amazing, and too true. Agree with all points. I love my SCAR-L, but it's really wild that I needed to spend so much in upgrades on something that was already so expensive from the factory. Great content as always.
Its not wild if you did your research on something that's essentially a waste of money and then knowingly spent a substantial amount of money trying to make it better. That's just called stupidity.
@@anthonyfanella6523 Eh, to each his own. I did my research and I was fine with spending the money because it was a fun grail gun for me and I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford it. I don't think it's stupid to spend money on something you like if you can afford it and it's what you want to do, but that's just my opinion.
I would question “needed to”. You didn’t need to spend any more money on this rifle. It has its short comings given the price tag but it’s still properly capable nonetheless. It’s an extremely legit and extremely formidable gun from the factory. You ‘wanting’ to spend more money to make it something you really like? I totally get it.
@@colesisler582 That's fair, you're not wrong. Kind of a semantics issue here I guess, as I didn't "need" the rifle in the first place. I suppose a longer form of what I was trying to say is that I "needed" to spend extra money to get the rifle where I "wanted" it. Which as previously stated, I knew going in after doing my research and I was fine with it. I just didn't care for how the gun was setup from the factory, much like GT discussed in this video, so my comment in the end was merely agreeing with him as I had a similar experience. Not trying to ruffle feathers. It's a great gun any way you shake it, but it was a gun I'd always wanted and I wanted to make it the best version for me that it could be, which just happened to involve a lot of changes on an already expensive gun. But again, I knew that going in, so it's fine. Just interesting I suppose.
Kyle Rittenhouse: “Hold my…soda.”
As I say whenever I'm asked in the shop about the SCARs, they're the coolest $1500 rifle that FN expects you to pay $3000 for.
Understatement of the century right there. Go ahead and include any FN long gun in that category.
Sounds like something a fudd ass poor gunstore worker would say.
FN and HK are some of the most over priced and over hyped guns. Only owners who've used more than a few competing rifles are able to realize that you can buy *better* piston guns for even half the price. Only reason to buy SCARs or HK416/MR556A1 is purely for brand lol. There are better alternatives, and the price they demand is unreasonable for the product. And when it comes to H&K everything they have is egregiously overpriced on the market. The SP5 (semiauto MP5 pistol), is like $3,000 lol. For a stamped sheet metal blow back gun they designed in the 1960's... There are MP5 clones that are half the price and use the same manufacturing equipment.
And frankly H&K are anti-freedom. They are within their capabilities to manufacture everything they need in the USA and sell pretty much any of their weapons designs without worry of regulations, and make insane amounts of money. But they don't. They have no problem taking cartel money, but they have a corporate philosophy that dislikes civilian gun ownership and freedom. SIG and Walther aren't like this.
@@weasle2904 Generally speaking, yes. Some FN ARs aren't terribly priced for what you get, but most of their 'cool' products are (PS90, 5/7, SCAR, etc.). HK is mostly over priced for nothing, the USP being the only firearm from them I'd consider fair at used prices. Their 416 and UMP semis are laughable in price-to-performance, and the SP5 is just overpriced flat out.
Paying for brand name most likely. Especially as the R&D is long paid off. Along with their other long standing lines. Then you have guys like Ruger or Keltec walk up and make a good alternative that in many ways is a notch up for realistic price.
That charging handle reciprocates more than my mom’s love for me.
oddly wholesome
How about your dad?
@@mouthbreather280 he’s been out to grab cigarettes for 17 years… 😣
@@KealeyOnCars At least he's still alive
Too bad FN took over a decade to fix the worst part of the SCAR16… Jeff Gurwitch explains SOF issues th-cam.com/video/Y5EP9G0p8es/w-d-xo.html
Love the ending. You could get a top tier AR, a ton of ammo, and great training all for the same cost as that upgraded SCAR. Great presentation.
You got a little carried away with the whole "a ton of ammo" comment... not with current prices 😂
It’s a great example of why we’re still using the AR platform. All of the alternatives that have been proposed so far just seem to be more complicated while being more expensive
You can also go be poor somewhere else
Poor
@@nickv5576
It also speaks to the competency of the original design. When there's 60 years of advances on the platform, they really made an incredible rifle
I honestly love the ending message on your videos. I have so many buddies that buy a gun, put it in their safe and talk big talk. Then when we go out to the range they are so unfamiliar with their platform they are borderline fumbling. I took classes and go to the range 2-3 times a month and the difference it made over a year is day and night.
Oh Flannel Daddy, at this point you're just fucking with us. We need the SPAS-12 video!
At this point if he got an Ash-12 I feel like nobody would be surprised at this point tbh. Straight voodoo magic where he gets these rifles from when they are always out of stock lmao.
Yes!
@@robertsteiner4696 if he has voodoo magic does that mean we can get an AA-12 video? I've been commenting requests since I started watching his channel almost 5 years ago
@@AlexLee-dc2vb whatever happened to the AA-12s? I remember the ATF confiscated the semi and full auto ones because of “their serial numbers”
Funny how everyone who owns a SCAR instantly replaced the Ugg boots with an ACR stock
Ehh no
I replaced mine with an VLTOR stock. Far superior IMHO.
@@PKBratney more like INYDO.
My brother got a decked out scar and returned it to the stock basic setup because it’s how it looked in fortnite Not even joking.
@@tierneymarshall5960 insert "but why?" Meme
Superb review, really glad to get back to this type of weekly video. The ballistics lab coat stuff wasn't my favorite tbh. Really surprising and disappointing that FN missed the boat so hard on some of these details. I will keep my Geissele Super Doody and continue to admire the SCAR from afar, even if it's just on aesthetics alone.
5:09 That’s absurd. 3k and a void warranty if you mount a can? What in the world is FN not telling us?
That's why you mount the can to avoid the warranty. Seriously I have never had anyone call about my SCAR's extended warranty.
@@wendellsawyer4386 Okay points for a clever joke.
To be honest, I have never been overly impressed with FN..especially now that Ruger has copied what I think is their most iconic weapon (the 5-7) I just dont see them as cream of the crop anymore. I actually have a friend who bought a .45 FN handgun along with some Springfield XD's and I kid you not, the XDs shot better in my hand. Sure the FN is "nice" and "cool" but they are not amazing guns by any means.
@@sebastianriz4703 I actually own a Ruger 57. It’s a lot of fun to shoot.
@@nyogtheeldritchgentleman Oh dont get me wrong, FN males good guns. I dont have complaints about them. I just dont see them as the holy grail of firearms manufacturing that others see them as.
When am I gonna learn more about being deadly in the woods??? It’s already spring…
Yes please
Seconded. (Or thirded I guess)
x4
x5
Agreed. Scars are sick AF but whats even more important….being deadly in the mountains.
I saw a piece of wood with holes in it. I finished and then promptly closed the video. Thanks Mike!
Is your TH-cam page a torture channel?
@@zachconant7031 It’s whatever you want it to be 😘
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Man that intro was absolutely amazing. Great vid!!!
Its been super fun watching this channel grow and inch its way to 2 million subs. Well deserved!
Keep the great content coming!
My 10.5” SCAR 16 is my favorite gun that I own. Stupid accurate, easy to suppress, dead reliable, and most importantly, it looks cool.
You are a man who has his priorities straight.
Short barrel cringe
@@squidy4082 the word of incels everywhere.
Lowkey wanna sell my MCX for one 🤔
@@Cryaboutmyhandle tell me I’m wrong for 5.56
As an older rounder shooter on a square range I want thank this guy for being honest. I’m working on my chubbiness, long way to go. But this dude cares enough to be real. Awesome. Great reviews. Nuff said.
If Taran Butler can shoot, so can we!
Long way to go but it pays off my friend. Best of luck to you, stay hard and never give in to the pain. Seek David Goggins if you need motivation or inspiration. You got it dude.
Just burn more calories and eat fewer, and cleaner ones. Veggies, protein and strength training are your friend.
Meh.. low speed high drag will pay off when the food runs out.. we'll still be strolling around in our juggernaut suits long after all these other guys starve to death
This isn't a jab, but have you tried cutting refined sugar completely out of your diet? My GF tried it and managed to lose 2 stone over a year, without any other changes to her diet
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Buddy of mine has a SCAR 16 chopped to 13.7 with a Rugged Razor on it, and I don’t know if I’ve ever shot a smoother recoiling fighting rifle. The recoil impulse wasn’t like a quick kick, but more of an elongated gentle push. ‘Twas wonderful
-suppressing it will void warranty
-priced as much as enhanced bcg KAC and LMT with g trigger
-Marsoc dumped the 17
-parts availability is 1000x worse and more expensive than ARs
-caliber and barrel change system is weaker than Robinson and LMT
-CZ bren and Robinson xcr exists for nearly 1000 less
Yeah….nah
Amen 🙏
All that inconvenience for $3000. I'd buy the LMT for that price.
I would build like 4 premium chf kits from PSA and still have enough money for ammo and training 😂😂
LMT mrp system is just hands down superior to errrrrr thing
the scar H makes some sense, but this doesn't really have anything you couldn't get for way less money
Belgium is know for waffles and murder. South Carolina has Waffle Houses. Coincidence, I think not.
B I G T H I N K
You can get Hep B at Waffle House.
I've shot both the SCAR 7.62 & 5.56 I liked how they handled and the accuracy of both rifles. The rifle I'd love to get my hands on is the HCAR from Ohio Ordnance Works
I've watched so many of flannel daddies reviews. This is probably one of the best. So well done, overall. Most people overlook the 16s, plus it really parallels the issues people have with the 17. Well done.
Agreed. Been watching him for many years now and this was by far one of his best weapon reviews to date
“Belgium… A country that was created as a place for England and Germany to work out their problems…”
James May of Top Gear/The Grand Tour
Underrated comment right here.
Did not expect a Top Gear crossover here.
@@MrDK0010 We are men of wealth & taste, are we not?
"Doesn't like suppressors, destroys ANY optic you put on it AND cost $3k?
What's not to like?
I'll take 5000 units"
-U.S. DoD (probably)
If they made a 12.5 barrel for the scar 16, that’d be amazing. It’s the ideal do all barrel length for 556 in my opinion. Doesn’t totally rob you of velocity and range while making close quarters much easier.
just wanted to say Garand Thumb that your backpack setup video did help alot I purchased some medical equipment carriers and had some extra pouches attached and the backpack itself is a 3 days survival assault backpack just thought I'd let you know how informative the previous video is
The 10.5" SCAR 16 seems like an heirloom rifle--way too expensive for most but something you'll pass down, hopefully to a relative that will appreciate it. 😜
Or just sell it in an estate auction for $500 because they don't appreciate those types of things like we do.
most likely the first relative will very much appreciate it by the time it gets to the second or third expect it to be pawned for a tank of gas and a case of beer
Heirloom rifles are made of metal and wood.
@@Andrew-on5do they still can be.
Short Stroke Gas Piston was my nickname in High School!
Thanks for remembering me, Daddy GT ❤️❤️❤️
Eyyyyyy yooooo
That was one of the coolest intros I've ever seen from this channel. I think some steady cam action would bring these intros to the next level.
What a thorough presentation on this platform covering many aspects on it, as we say in the Navy, BRAVO ZULU.
The music, the shooting, and the tactics just intro perfection 👌
Thank God for Grand Thumb his posts have been so educational.
Loving the information bro. Thanks for all you do. Love ya. Keep'em coming.
One of the best and most respectable things about this channel is how you are always encouraging training.
A weapon is nothing but a dangerous liability if you are not trained and/or training with it.
Know your weapon.
Respect your weapon.
Get trained.
Got mine a week or so ago. Probably the best 5 shot grouping Ive ever gotten from something straight out of the box. Shoots fantastic, but the fore-end does get quite hot after a lot of round.
My Belgian 16S is decent for grouping but the LaRue upper was sub MOA out of the box even with 55gr WWB. With 77gr SMK commercial loads the LaRue is a tack driver.
Get some rail panels for the fore end. I went with the Tangodown SCAR panels because that's what originally came on the MK16 kits. I tried the MREX but it adds too much weight and I have no need for the extra mounting points. PMM makes a nifty Picatinny extension that replaces the lower barrel support yoke and extends the rails.
Buy the kinetic rail. And check out Mototech Engineering. Especially if you are going to suppress it. Scoop his 3 selector gas block and the rubber buffer pad if buying the ACR stock.
I think the SCAR series would have been a lot more successful had FN not gone out and price gouge them so aggressively.
When your competition that pays has infinite money like a government it’s gonna be price gouged
I don't think you understand what gouging implies.
@@wendellsawyer4386 It is gouging. The SCAR is very cheap to manufacture, in fact the whole reason it was submitted to the ACR trial was on the feature that producing a SCAR takes less machine time than forging an AR, and this is because it uses cheap aluminum extrusions and an injection molded lower. If you take apart a SCAR, you can see how easy it is to machine in comparison to an AR. Even with the AR benefiting from the economy of scale, the SCAR is 3x overpriced. FN also doesn't really back their products unlike say Ruger, Kel Tec, S&W, etc.
Yeah they're abnoxious, but get away with it because a lot of people will think it's the best just BECAUSE it's $3k.
I admit that I was interested in one when looking for a "pistol" and wanted a piston driven mechanism for reliability with the shorter length.
I looked at the SIG MCX line but didn't like the spotty track record and SIG's love of public bet beta testing their products while still charging a premium.
The scar was an obvious consideration, but again the cost/value equation seemed hard to justify without putting a "cool factor" thumb on the scale.
Then I stumbled across the RA XCR-L which is the gun that the scar SHOULD have lost to. $2K and it feels like good value: everything beautifully fit and finished and built like a tank. It's another AK/AR love child, but I think it's actually better than either of it's parents. First non-custom gun I've taken out of the box and not immediately had the urge to change in some way... And it avoids literally all of Grand Flannel's critiques of the scar. Only catch is that it took damn near a year of waiting.
@@joshuarowinski9092 That just means you don't know much about the SCAR.
I am poor though. I only have a kommando store quad tube and a homemade SLA printed quad tube rather than the L3 Harris.
Bro honestly your intro music intensity is always pure gold
Awesome review! I bought a Faxon Sentry for $999 and it came with a B5 grip and stock, radian ambi charging handle and 45 degree safety selector, a nice muzzle device, and a pretty nice single stage trigger. I wanted a BCM at the time but nothing was in stock. Very happy with the Faxon though.
Love every single one of your videos! I also like the fact you disclose relationships with the companies you’re reviewing. I wish more were like you!
The ATF is about to register Garand Thumb’s fingers as Fun switches at this point
Not a bad idea
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Very solid review appreciate the work you put in sir.
The sound is amazing! Truly revolutionizing the game.
If FN was Sig they’d release a pro version of the scar that comes as set up like yours in an exclusive color like gray or green. These other manufacturers need to get behind the innovation for the new decade.
FN is going the way of H&K. The clearest sign of that was how easily Ruger undercut their Five Seven so easily. In one year Ruger sold more 57 than FN sold Five Seven in the last several years.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj Here's a little secret- they don't give a fuck what you think. They don't gaf about the whole US commercial market. Do you really expect them to do ghey shit like a Tiffany blue dist. exclusive like they're ruger? They wipe their asses with .gov contracts.
@@ericmckinley7985 The problem is FN doesn't really make that much money from government contracts. That was a big reason why they started producing M4 uppers for the American public via Palmetto, because they needed new income streams since they got ripped off on the PDW contract which was supposed to carry them throughout the decade. FN's income largely comes from their other brands like Browning and Winchester.
H&K went downhill because they only relied on gov contracts. People talk about the MIC, but the truth is there isn't much money to be made in the military as it is a lot of money split across a lot of companies. Honeywell is a major explosive ordinance designer, but their income is mostly from selling home appliances.
Almost set up just like my SCAR 16S except I use EoTech EXPS3 and G33 Magnifier as my optics. With the Super-SCAR Geissele trigger, the SCAR 16 operates amazingly smooth and shoots sub-MOA.
What’s your barrel length?
@@warfan1994 - Mine is 16" with extended handguard and an adjustable foregrip - so I don't have issues with the reciprocating charging handle.
@@Wxman9123 - Nice! How do you like it?
@@kylebeckman1398 didnt they release a version without a recipocrating cahrging handle. Colion noir did a video a couple of months ago.
@@fossil6845 - Yeah they did. Mine is one of the originals from the factory. The reciprocating charging handle doesn't bug me or my optics.
I own a SCAR-17 and I like it one of my favorite weapons I own. Not for the faint of heart when you have to upgrade it overall. I think about some days, maybe adding its little brother to the collection. But will have to see one day,
You totally nailed it with this review. I have the same issues, but it’s fun to tweak your rifle. I did not know about the suppressor issue. Can you tells us more about that and warranty? What specific parts could break etc..
Fantastic weapon, served me very well in MW3
*WW3
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@@LosRiji modern warfare 3 😂😂😂😂😂
I've owned a SCAR 16 for about 10 years. I think you really nailed the pros and cons of this system. While it is a very cool rifle, I agree with your final thoughts that, if you only want to buy one rifle, you are better off getting a premium AR. You can get a premium AR and an eotech or aimpoint for less money.
Have you put a suppressor on yours? I bought a Helix OSS 7.62 to put on mine.
I don't think it takes a premium AR to do the job. I have a Colt Commando and a SA Saint Victor Both have been 100% performers and they cost $1200 and $1100 respectively. The $2000 and $3000 ARs are nice guns, but a person can get by with 2 lower cost rifles and do just fine.
@@dondineen110 Honestly most US troops in Afghanistan used a Primary Weapon Systems long stroke piston system AR-15 that was the go to weapon. In Hawaii, there only one Gun Store that sold it and it was always sold out.
@@marctemura2017 No they carried M4 carbines or M16A3 rifles. Special ops used some SCAR-L rifles. Th M4 got very good reviews from the soldiers that actually used the gun in combat. Piston guns were uncommon, except for the Taliban AKs.
@@marctemura2017 What are you talking about? The M4 was used except by spec ops teams and they were using scars and HK 416 not some piston kit.
Just watched a GT video from 4 plus years ago. (Survival pack...) So much slicker and professional now, but the info has always been golden.
I liked the SCAR ever since I got to shoot some with FN on a business trip. Still wouldn’t mind getting one but some issues that were brought up still have me hesitant. A few other companies are similar with why such an expensive rifle with crappy accessories, DD with their crappy Mil spec triggers, KAC still sending A2 grips on their rifles, etc.
Yep
How expensive is it to change out a grip? I also believe kac stopped using a2 grips and sopmod stocks. The real shame is getting a ctr instead of a sopmod. As far as mil spec triggers on dd rifles that’s not a big deal to me. I’ve moved away from high speed triggers and put act’s on all my rifles now.
So they literally have a suppressed gas setting engineered into the rifle yet using a suppressor voids the warranty? How does that make sense?
It does not.
Because.......reasons XD
Probably due to the fact they don't produce the suppressors. Why be legally liable for someone else's poor workmanship?
@@GAme4life916 You might have just hit the nail on the head right there.
The "Loot Drop" comment had me rollin'! As always, a great review.
it’s genuinely ridiculous to me how Garand isn’t at the 5mil+ mark when other “niche” 2A/Vet/Active service channels who put *waaaay* less into their videos are, these videos are pure passion projects and done gorgeously.. Garand Thumb is the real deal man gahdamn
Fired the SCAR16 known as the MK16 in the army during my tour in Takistan
Cpl. Howard Drake was my fire team/squad leader. It's a good weapon but not good enough to replace the M4.
(Will need to reinstall the game again...)
Arma i see
Wtf is Takistan
@@thekraken1173 map in the game Arma
Takistan is 19,000 behind Norwjay in human evolution.
@@thekraken1173 ARMA 2 Map,nice campaign - better then A3
The acr stock on the scar definitely goes hard af. I thought about getting the adapter and throwing one on my XCR but it makes the XCR ugly and I can do without a qd point
Not gonna lie I watch a lot of your vids as I’m laying in bed, your soft spoken tone of voice serenades me to sleep every single time so I have to watch each video 17 times to actually make it through the whole thing. Worth it
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who loves the sound when sending rounds down range.
I have one of the original 2009 era SCAR 16S. It spends more time in my safe than it probably should. FN’s 1400 plus dollar barrel kits are obscene. Cool item in my inventory, but I’ll take any of my mid-tier or better ARs any day.
I've had my SCAR16 for a long long time and tried the ACR stock, and went back to the factory stock. I've put it through its paces, and has about the same reliability as a DI AR15. Still have to keep that chamber clean. I've also replaced the stock gas screw (wasn't fun, as it was carboned in place and had to extract it). After working intimately with the SCAR (as in taking everything apart and putting it back together properly with the green Loctite 603), I'd say the SCAR is a prima donna platform. Fun and cool, but it's a prima donna IMHO.
I've tried all the different aftermarket parts for it (grip, stock, foreend, etc...) and ended up going back to stock with the Tangodown grip and Tangodown panels. Since the factory aluminum lower barrel support stripped out at the threads, the replacements were out of stock. FN makes an aluminum and steel, and neither are available currently. Their complete barrel assemblies are now all US made and use steel supports. Mine is Belgian and was aluminum. Anyhow, one of the aftermarket houses makes the Picatinny extension that actually uses thread-serts and replaces the stock barrel support, so I went with that (might have been PMM) and it's a good solid fit for the stock foreend and solved my problem at the same time. Lessons learned is not to follow the maintenance manual torque specs for those particular screws.
As for barrels and precision, the SCAR 16 isn't statistically better than your average AR15. It's not bad, but it's not a tack driver out of the box. I have a complete 18" SCAR assembly that I haven't tried yet. I've used a number of different optics on the SCAR as well.
I bought a LaRue upper just recently and that LaRue upper is sub-MOA out of the box even with 55gr Winchester Whitebox. I've never had a 5.56/.223 rifle that precise. It was a tack driver with good 77gr SMK commercial loads. SCAR16 is a fun gun, but if I had to do it all over again, I'd just go with a LaRue complete rifle (or two). Maybe get the SCAR for the cool factor. The SCAR's barrel is fairly standard, nothing exotic. The LaRue uses a polygonal bore which is kind of interesting. Very precise out of the box which impressed me the most.
The sounds of just working the gun sounds so good and crisp
The tension of the music sure made shooting at static targets an intense and dramatic affair.
Many outsiders will see "just dirty" as an insult, it's both a compliment and an insult, as SC is definitely "dirty".
Coming from North Carolina, you can feel it as soon as you cross the state line. Mostly because the roads in SC are in awful shape.
@The Legate I was in Lejeune for minute and drove the whole state. I feel your statement in my back everytime I think about it.
@@java9090 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@thelegate8636 i second that. once you pass that border you’ll always feel it 😂
If it's so dirty, why is it one if the most popular tourist destinations in the entire US?
Got mine when it first hit the market, 13 years later and I still love it. "No Regerts"
I love my SCAR as well. My favorite 5.56 gun I own.
I'm giving you a thumbs up for the intro music alone. Haven't even seen the whole vid yet.
Tear it up brother Mike! Fantastic piece of hardware.You go boy!✌️👌
I know we had some issues with scars braking optics but all of them were mk17s with some of our older Leopold scopes on them. Those old mk4s were never really the toughest to start with. I have ever seen issues with the mk16s.
I would love to see you review the XCR series. It deserves some redemption, because it's now a very competitive alternative to the SCAR in terms of price and features. It looks really slick as well!
I agree
You mean RobArms is gud now?
100% agree; I’ve commented this in several videos too.
I think the XCR/M had a real shot at beating out FN for the scar contract
@@cascadianapplications7124 nope they're still exceedingly stupid and won't get your shit to you in less than 5 mo
The most entertaining gun review ever. I have the original recip scar. The non recip upgrade is too much money for me and at this point I've learned to deal with the flying charge handle.
I like the back door open thank you very much!
I’d love to see Garand thumb do a video on scout rifles or survival bolt action rifles. Reason Why, how to pick, pro and cons, optic mounts like long eye relief, prism, red dot, LVPO etc.
It’s a subject matter yet to be challenged by Daddy GT
This one
I bought my SCAR-16S in 2007 or 2008. Well over 15k rounds (probably getting close to 20k) and I have only 2 issues. I had one FTF because of a bad mag. Also, once when I was shooting brown bear ammo, the extractor popped open and in such a way that it could not cycle. I have never seen anything it ever before but I just aggressively racked it until it closed and it was fine. I have never had any parts break or wear out. With the exception if changing the grip, changing the charging handle, and putting a Geissle Super SCAR in it, the gun is factory OEM. Its been a good rifle.
I concur. I've got a KDG stock though, along with CH, Geiselle SS and i put a new grip on it but i think i want to change it up again.
I will say though... i don't like the recoil impulse while shooting standing up.
Had a Sig Tango 1-4 on my 17S for over a year with not one issue. Decided to change up the rifle. So I shortened the barrel to an OAL of 16", with a P&W'ed Dead Air KeyMo flash hider (Sandman-S), and went with an EOTech XPS2 and magnifier. Though I have ditched the magnifier.
I see a lot of comments about the price of these rifles, and I will say re-listen to the part where Garand Thumb says its probably better to get if you already have everything else. I will warn you a SCAR is no different from an AR in that you will buy upgrades for it, and you will decide you don't like them after a couple trips to the range. Heck that Sandman mentioned above is actually the second can I ran on the rifle. The first being a Sig SRD-762ti QD. Great can, but made the length too unwieldy. In summery as much as I like my SCAR I would never recommend someone getting it over an AR unless they can afford it, and already have a few ARs.
Loved the "Strings" more please!
Great review. I’m starting to shop a Geissele upper and this video caught my attention because what gun owner hasn’t thought about getting one?! But for the price, voided warranty and the important components they cut corners on…. I’ll keep my eye on the geissle
I own a Super Duty 16" and am currently building an upper for my SBR with Geissele parts. Their stuff really is top quality, you can't go wrong with G products
Try a pws upper.
@@myfamily8581 PWS only if you’re willing to go into a non-standard operating system (long-stroke piston) with zero parts compatibility with the ubiquitous D.I. gas systems. PWS does however have an awesome buffer tube assembly that I put on my home brew SBR - absolutely love their ratcheting castle nut.
The SCAR-H is a rifle that makes sense to me, but in 5.56 I don't see why you wouldn't use a piston or DI AR.
Unless the charging handle is really important to you.
Could you expand on this?
@@NinjaofApathy it's like gt said it's more expensive than more premium AR alternatives, but apart from that it also doesn't benefit from the huge aftermarket of the ar platform.
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d gotcha thanks. Wasn't sure what the "piston or DI" meant tho.
As much as I want one, the SCAR 16 is one of those rifles I do seem to have a problem justifying the price. I have a 17, and even a few other PCCs that hit close into that price category. So it's not the money. It's that I don't see the value as compared to an good AR.
I personally dont care for 556 guns outside of the AR platform
7.62x39 / 308 / 300 blk etc, sure gimme some other things
🤷♂️ just me
Grand Thumb may be the only one TH-camr reviews a lot of rifles precisely, technically and also professionally. Gun makers will love you.
What music is in the intro? Also great video! Keep up the good work keeping average joes like me informed and in the know for different firearm platforms
If I had a choice today between a SCAR16S and a B&T APC223, I would take the APC. Now with 12.5" models available and soon to also be non-reciprocating, I just feel it does what the SCAR wanted to do but better.
Also won't void your warranty suppressing it lol
God damn you're right
All new scars don't have reciprocating charging handle anymore,few other things done,granted your comments is 2years old
It feels like everyone hates on an item they can’t afford.
I purchased mine at cost a few years back.
Changed out the gas ports, SBR’d it, and slapped an rc2 on it.
Out performs every AR I’ve put it up against.
The Bren 2 doesn’t seem as sturdy as the 16s. But functions well enough suppressed.
I have not compared it yet to an APC223 suppressed due to rotex availability.
If anything, I think the only firearm that simply is the better design & functionality is the B&T APC223.
I’ve compared both the 17s & apc308, loved both of them.
Suppressing it voids warranty
@@ThrashTillDeth85 then I’ll just buy another. 🤷♂️
Because it doesn't do enough to justify the cost, or even effort of purchasing. Customization? The AR platform is the easiest. Ammo? Far more options on the AR. A good battle rifle? There's a reason countries use the G3, and. K the Scar.
@@supergoodadvice853 I know you know nothing of firearms when you don’t realize the scar 16 & M4 pattern rifles shoot the same ammo. 🤦♂️
Thank you for the video! 🤩👍❤
Freakin beautiful intro Garand!
Price doesn't matter....it never has it never will. If you want the Z06 you save up and buy it. If you want the SCAR platform you go into your mother's purse and steal her credit card info. Come on guys it's really that simple.
DADDY VISITED US ON SUNDAY!
And he brang the milk this time.
I like those cellos and violins at the beginning :)
Awesome review Mike, I hope FN is watching.
If yall cant afford a SCAR, you can get the CZ Bren 2 for almost half the price. As far as i'm concerned, it's a newer, sleeker, and better scar, just made by CZ instead of FN! Personally I enjoyed it a little more than the Scar.
Dude your not lying 😂
There's a small channel called Modern Tactical Shooting who made a great video on the issues that special forces had with the SCAR16. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it.
Yessir great vid!
Man, I needed that laugh. Keep killing it. You're changing the game.
The EPIC music..Oh my GODNESS 🔥🔥🔥
When my best friend (may he rest in peace) was serving with 1/75, these things were status symbols of a sort. Only a few had ever been procured by SOCOM -- to say nothing of the Regiment -- and they'd been sitting around in the armory at HAF for a couple of years already by the time he arrived.
A revolving door of Tabbed NCOs would compete to lay claim to the small number of them and SCAR-H's just to be different during deployments and live fires... though it ultimately wasn't unheard of for a lot of them to give them up for their Block II M4s after a while, especially the SNCOs.
@Giovanni LoFranco It may have been, honestly -- my buddy wasn't privy to those sorts of details and I'm not sure he paid that much attention to the differences.
@@SaftonYT I was leaving 1/75 right as we got the very first brief on the SCAR rifles. Originally they told us there would be conversion kits and we would even be able to shoot 7.62x39. I literally left the military right after that meeting. We had Colt M4's when i served. 07 was my last year.
My brother was 1/75 and got a SCAR when they first came out. They reported back with a hard no.
Nobody:
Garand thumb: 10 inches is small
Garand Thumb intros....Often imitated...Never duplicated.
A question I always ask before I hit play “is this a full auto video?” Never disappoints
Absolutely love that message at the end with the Russians and Ukrainians fighting and the us sending support you never know man I’m grateful that he takes the time to let us know just in case shit hits the dam were ready ♥️👏🏼
Hey Mike! Can you compare your upgraded SCAR-L to the CZ BREN 2 (which is like the Czech SCAR)? I've heard a lot of people say that it's better than the SCAR-L for a lot cheaper.
It looks like an off-brand ACR
Is the Bren 2 good? Yes. Is it better? Not really. The only rifle I’ve seen give the 16s a run for it’s money is the B&T APC223. The Swiss just do it better.
@@TNCombatMedic What makes it not better? The only thing I can tell about the two is that the SCAR's gas system is way easier to tune than the BREN 2.
@@chaoschaoforever my opinion is the gas system gets a bit too hot. Even when compared to the scar. I also think the barrel is a bit too thin but I haven’t seen any shift due to barrel harmonics. The bolt carrier rides a bit stiffer than the scar but I’m also comparing it to the APC223 which is the rolls Royce of guns. The bolt of an APC223 feels like it’s gliding on ball bearings.
@Nick Phelan CZ is unable to correct most of the 7.62x39 issues, that’s why they keep getting sent back for repairs. I’d like to add one to my collection but rumor mill is they are having 922r issues or simply can’t keep up with the demand for x39 parts. I’d love to test one in comparison to 17s & APC308.
Intro was fire!
Amazing review if I ever break the Belgium pay wall I’ll have to pick one of these up
I'm really surprised that by now the acr stock isn't just the standard factory stock for everybody