Another simple way of looking at surplus enjoyment is akin to the dopamine response in social media. The enjoyment doesn't come from the meme, or the video itself, but in the *anticipation of finding the great meme or video.
The people who leave a full shopping cart and don’t purchase anything do so because they realized they were unable to get away with stealing it. People would walk out with filled shopping carts all the time when I worked at walmart years ago. It’s even more of a complex event when the theft is considered.
Hedonism is all that there is . . Even a drug addicted junkie is interested in this as well a high frequency trade junkie . . Its all about hormonal "pleasure" reaction of the organism We're all the same °°°
I love the man's books, but his speaking style drives me insane. Not the little idiosyncrasies of the Zizek form, like the rubbing his nose or the Slovenian lisp, but just how profoundly and frustratingly long-winded he can be, preferring to tell 5 tangentially related stories than to satisfactorily assess and answer the problem at hand.
Fabio vighi has a good critue of Marx's analysis of capital with a focus on surplus value actually being surplus enjoyment. It's really good, you can find it on Todd mcgowan's channel
I am sure there is a more reasonable interpretation of that quote from St. Thomas. Zizek interprets everything through his glasses to justify his point.
If we take for example Dante in Inferno he feels compassion and not a pervert satisfaction when he sees those suffering. Also, reading stories of the temptations of saints, but even looking at our own temptations in everyday life, one can and must be fully aware of the dangers and consequences of immoral behaviour also when one is not yielding to it. Those in heaven MUST know what hell looks like. Christ also descended in the Inferno after good Friday!
@@OH-pc5jx do you imagine heaven and hell as outside of your soul, as unknown entities? If not, we can relate these questions to everyday experiences, can't we?
But isn't Heaven supposed to be the ultimate bliss? One of the things I hate the most about living on Earth is not only how much suffering I have to endure, but also how much suffering there is around me, and how impotent I am to do something about it. So, in Heaven, I'll just have to be fully aware not only of the injustices and sufferings of Earth, but also of this new super eternal suffering taking place in Hell, and I ALSO won't be able to do anything about it, either? Seeing people suffer and having no power to help them is honestly a type of torture itself, so how can that experience be aligned to the experience of Heaven?
This did not resonate with me as he often does. I think that people who enjoy shopping to excess are in a hell if they buy anything or not. Shopping without buying anything is a form of shopping to excess. I don't see why they would want to do this? Also, I don't enjoy the idea of other people suffering. I became a Unitarian because I don't believe in hell. If I noticed being in such a place, I would recuse myself.
Thank you for your comment. It happens that I have uploaded another video, with a name something to the effect of Surplus Enjoyment: Some Examples. I think the content there shows that literal fun isn't his point. This is more along the lines of an unhealthy emotional involvement with a process which is seen as important. As it happens, I have once let myself get too involved in political events, and noticed an unhealthy interest in the embarrassment of those who disagree with me. I concluded that less reading of the news, and more theoretical learning, would be the cure in order to create a healthy distance from things, which turned out to be a good idea. As for your question, "why would they want to do this?" the answer in my example of surplus enjoyment is an emphatic "I don't know, but nonetheless I was doing it." I hope something I've said here clarifies things for you.
coreycox2345 Documentaries about the Nazis are too close to the way things are now for me. There are more recent versions of Powers of Ten on TH-cam, where they compare the size of stars to the earth and sun, as the both of them slowly fade off to insignifigance. Mind blowing stuff. Some black holes are even bigger in terms of density, apparently.
Is this idea that there is a natural gauge for how much "pleasure" a human needs, and anything that exceeds that gauge is superfluous. It is ideology that takes that surplus into something usable/tangible, kind of like an "evolved" or that "natural gauge" 2.0?
Another simple way of looking at surplus enjoyment is akin to the dopamine response in social media. The enjoyment doesn't come from the meme, or the video itself, but in the *anticipation of finding the great meme or video.
Chase is sweeter than the hunt
wow, perfect example!
The people who leave a full shopping cart and don’t purchase anything do so because they realized they were unable to get away with stealing it. People would walk out with filled shopping carts all the time when I worked at walmart years ago. It’s even more of a complex event when the theft is considered.
I accidentaly read "surplus employment"
Thanks for a good chuckle :)
Hedonism is all that there is . .
Even a drug addicted junkie is interested in this as well a high frequency trade junkie . .
Its all about hormonal "pleasure" reaction of the organism
We're all the same °°°
I love the man's books, but his speaking style drives me insane. Not the little idiosyncrasies of the Zizek form, like the rubbing his nose or the Slovenian lisp, but just how profoundly and frustratingly long-winded he can be, preferring to tell 5 tangentially related stories than to satisfactorily assess and answer the problem at hand.
@@ottomakers bravo
my god, I love it
@@ottomakers the madlad did it
You obviously haven't read hin then, he writes like Marx with ADHD
@@ottomakers man is it true that a few years ago in Slovenia there was a Žižek sound-alike contest and Slavoj participated also and came third...?
Bro you post the best shit
Zizek the most dangerous man alive 🤣
Does anyone have the link to the full lecture? Thanks!
slurpless enjoyment
I'd love to read a surplus enjoyment based critique of capitalism
Zizek is always drawing a parallel between surplus value and surplus enjoyment. He first posits it in sublime object of ideology.
@@punchgod Okay, thanks. Will definitely read at least his first two books.
Fabio vighi has a good critue of Marx's analysis of capital with a focus on surplus value actually being surplus enjoyment. It's really good, you can find it on Todd mcgowan's channel
@@pharder1234 found it thanks !
Todd McGowan’s Capitalism and Desire
I am sure there is a more reasonable interpretation of that quote from St. Thomas. Zizek interprets everything through his glasses to justify his point.
blerocs There might well be. Clearly this isn't his best.
If we take for example Dante in Inferno he feels compassion and not a pervert satisfaction when he sees those suffering.
Also, reading stories of the temptations of saints, but even looking at our own temptations in everyday life, one can and must be fully aware of the dangers and consequences of immoral behaviour also when one is not yielding to it. Those in heaven MUST know what hell looks like. Christ also descended in the Inferno after good Friday!
@@blerocs I'm confused: does knowledge of hell cause us compassion - in which case we suffer even in heaven - or does it bring us pleasure?
@@OH-pc5jx do you imagine heaven and hell as outside of your soul, as unknown entities? If not, we can relate these questions to everyday experiences, can't we?
But isn't Heaven supposed to be the ultimate bliss? One of the things I hate the most about living on Earth is not only how much suffering I have to endure, but also how much suffering there is around me, and how impotent I am to do something about it. So, in Heaven, I'll just have to be fully aware not only of the injustices and sufferings of Earth, but also of this new super eternal suffering taking place in Hell, and I ALSO won't be able to do anything about it, either? Seeing people suffer and having no power to help them is honestly a type of torture itself, so how can that experience be aligned to the experience of Heaven?
Source, please?
The complete interview is here:
th-cam.com/video/K81xpxYLcsQ/w-d-xo.html
Tuigen Heim Thanks!
Aladdin Sane Welcome.
This did not resonate with me as he often does. I think that people who enjoy shopping to excess are in a hell if they buy anything or not. Shopping without buying anything is a form of shopping to excess. I don't see why they would want to do this? Also, I don't enjoy the idea of other people suffering. I became a Unitarian because I don't believe in hell. If I noticed being in such a place, I would recuse myself.
Thank you for your comment. It happens that I have uploaded another video, with a name something to the effect of Surplus Enjoyment: Some Examples. I think the content there shows that literal fun isn't his point. This is more along the lines of an unhealthy emotional involvement with a process which is seen as important.
As it happens, I have once let myself get too involved in political events, and noticed an unhealthy interest in the embarrassment of those who disagree with me. I concluded that less reading of the news, and more theoretical learning, would be the cure in order to create a healthy distance from things, which turned out to be a good idea. As for your question, "why would they want to do this?" the answer in my example of surplus enjoyment is an emphatic "I don't know, but nonetheless I was doing it."
I hope something I've said here clarifies things for you.
I feel like watching "The Power of Ten." I know what you mean by "I don't know, but nonetheless I was doing it,"
coreycox2345 The Powers of Ten? You mean that documentary from the 1970's?
Yes, Tuigen Heim. That and watching documentaries about Nazi's are great distancing tools. If a person is me.
coreycox2345 Documentaries about the Nazis are too close to the way things are now for me. There are more recent versions of Powers of Ten on TH-cam, where they compare the size of stars to the earth and sun, as the both of them slowly fade off to insignifigance. Mind blowing stuff. Some black holes are even bigger in terms of density, apparently.
Am I deriving surplus enjoyment, seeing the others barely able to contain their displeasure with zizeks profitable meanderings?
Is this idea that there is a natural gauge for how much "pleasure" a human needs, and anything that exceeds that gauge is superfluous. It is ideology that takes that surplus into something usable/tangible, kind of like an "evolved" or that "natural gauge" 2.0?