When you're with friends with other races making "racist jokes" with each other, the jokes are intended to be a mockery of the racist stereotypes themselves and the people who are genuine racists, not disparagement.
+Matthew T yes, a racist and a racist "jock-er" can exist together, except one will be a racist athlete and the other is just a racist. Sorry, I couldn't help but make a joke out of the misspelling
Matthew. The joker will laugh at the racist jokes because they're ludicrous. The racist joker will laugh at them in a "it's funny, because it's true" way. They can absolutely co-exist, unless either one is too extreme in regards to their beliefs.
nyx211 oh please. it's funny because stereotypes ARE TRUE in a way. the point should be to laugh, effectively saying "Yes it's true, most black people like rap music, but nonetheless you are more than that and this is just a little tease."
That's really true. I'm from Indonesia and now I'm in a scholarship in Thailand and meet a lot of people from around the world. And instead of being politically correct, we just tell each other our dirty stories, we're become sort-of racist if other people see us but actually we become more closer and more open to each other. Cause in fact, something that sounds so exclusive to your enclave or identity is actually not uncommon to others. So the lesson here is, be chill guys. Make laugh of yourself and people.
There's a big difference between tolerance and acceptance. Tolerance is generally an annoyance that you put up with, like a head cold or a crying baby on a plane. Acceptance is something you embrace without feelings of obligation, sacrifice or resistance.
My thoughts exactly!! I don't "tolerate" my gay friend, I just have a cool person in my life and yeah, she has a girlfriend instead of a boyfriend, so what.
Tolerance is always patronizing ("'I tolerate you" means "I'm above you and I accept your existence". There's an Spanish philosopher who used to say: "Who are you to tolerate me?"), it has nothing to do with RESPECT; in fact, it's quite the opposite. In tolerance there's a vertical position of the ones being tolerant towards that which they tolarate, respect is based on horizontal relationship. Moreover, tolerance is a forces' equalizer: it's not about recognizing the other, but letting be that which you cannot fight or oppose to.
@mark heyne yeah you starting getting safe after you were relegated here, no one would have thought that losing the 100 years one and getting kicked out from the european continent would become and huge advantage in the future
@mark heyne I would not like be a colony of another nation but each their own Also I basically live in the fourth reich so is not that I can really speak about that ahah
Yeah. I lived in England for more than 1 year. Being a loner, I really would not socialize. Maybe that's why I never got to see the fake politeness, except in 2 or 3 situations. Only after coming back to India did I realise that 'Fake Politeness' is really a thing in British culture. The Brits are probably the best at it. But Japanese ? Well, that's new ! I didn't know anything about their fake politeness. Zizek surprised me there. But yeah, I do know that they have great standards ...
One of the great advantages of growing up with a parent with a very sick sense of humour is that you learn that the point of humour is to bond with people and have a good time together, NOT to shit on the object of the joke.
This reminds me of a Broad City episode where Abbi is telling Ilana to imitate various accents: Italian, Australian, German, etc. Then when Abbi says "do Chinese," Ilana is like "no dude, that's racist." I thought this was a clever scene because it makes the audience wonder, why is that? i.e. why is it that imitating a Chinese accent is considered racist in the West whereas imitating Western accents is not? I think this is part of what Žižek is getting at. The problem is not actually the imitation itself, but rather that Chinese people are seen as being somehow "below" white people in the West. The result is that we don't find imitations of white Westerner's accents offensive because we do not pity them (they are on the same level), but we do find it offensive for Chinese accents, because it seems like you are picking on the little guy; the Chinese person in the West is worthy of pity. The problem is not the imitation itself but rather this social "totem pole." If we had a society where everyone was socially equal, we wouldn't find it offensive. The problem is that our society is not equal. (obviously this applies to other groups as well this is just an example)
First tag he's talking about how its easy to say nice things about broad generalizations, he kind of swallows the word "easy" maybe that's why ya missed it. The second one hes just being hyperbolic about what his students then ask him, he then tells us what he tells them so thats fine. Third and fourth one ye u rite.
I worked in a hugely diverse team for several years (related to immigration - most were staff migrants, from a >a dozen countries). We made CONSTANT jokes about each other's race, religion, culture, and nationality. It's a great way of bonding with people. That way you can subvert racism by using its structure as a means of building relationships.
As an Indigenous of Turtle Island, I am tired, exhausted. I am a tolerated guest in my own land. In the workforce, I am tolerated as an unwelcomed guest and yet the reserves are a deprived life raft and only account for a fraction of of a single percentage point of our original lands and the rules are still dictated to us. We are "given" enough to live but no enough dot die. We can thrive in neither worlds. An Indian reality is the fourth world.
I swear, the weirdest and most unconventional of people who you would initially ignore or disregard are always the smartest and most aware. Very incredible.
“Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk.” - Samuel Vimes in Feet of Clay (by Terry Pratchett)
Aqui você me lembrou que o politicamente correto em não contar piada racistas ( ou machistas, homofóbicas etc.) oculta um subtexto: negros ou homossexuais são moralmente superiores a nós.
A: I love this man's accent, there is just something so fun about listening to him. B: I think that racist jokes are acceptable as they, at least by good intent, are meant to undermine the meaning of racist jokes, by joking about the joke itself. Such as the joke "You think the only people who are people, are the people who look and think like you." is the only true line from Pocahontas, to which the reply is "May I remind you "These white people are dangerous!"."
of course there is. Most SJWs are not capable of that, because they are obsessed living in a reality filtered by social media and safe spaces, instead of meeting someone face to face. Exaggerated tolerance comes from the fear of not coping with a stranger (nationally, racially, culturally, sexually... etc).
Except for the fact manners and compassion is what you choose for yourself. Being PC is akin to having a gun to your head, that is tolerance with no value.
I TOLERATE a spider in my rooms corner. That doesnt mean that i wouldnt kill him if he gets on my desk. Thats why the word tollerance may not be what you think it is.
I think that's precisely his point. Tolerance leads to a world where racists still exist, they just reside in the underground or their own circles invisible to everyone else. To me that sounds like a pretty scary place that gives racists power to organize without criticism
Actually, most Native American cultures were not wrecklessly extractive and exploitive. Many however began to overexploit the environment in certain areas, largely due to their loss of access to other places as well as partly due to incentives brought on by European trade, especially in furs.
Not just making jokes among friends, but when you tackle these issues in a more performative environment, making fun of yourself and encouraging people to laugh at themselves as well, without taking away from the gravity of course, you can actually get people to change in whatever capacity they can/want.
9 minutes to say something i can explain in a few sentences: Words do not mean anything independent of what the speaker intends to mean and what that word means to the audience. Policing words is a futile effort because words and what they mean are subjective to relative contexts. But also don't be an asshole. - Billy
eggo Serious question. I did not realize that it's a joke. Nor did i think he meant to insult me. I took his question literally. How did you recognize that it's a joke?
Tolerance implies seem the other as distant and different, implies not being equals, nobody would use this word to refer to a people or behavior they sees as the same as theirs.
DeoMachina *sigh* He’s not saying we should make jokes like this NOW, he’s saying we would be able to do it in a post racist society. Which America in the 70s was not.
Did this years ago in college. I'm small white guy. I see very large black guy standing near me that I didn't know. He had a spear point on a necklace outside his shirt. I walked up, looked up at him and said , "what's the point for, are you a spearchucker'? He lolled and we were friends.
I've been around many small mixed race friend groups, 3-5 people. Anecdotally, I have noticed that working class mixed race groups tend to tell way more offensive jokes and isially get along fine. Of course they don't tell those jokes around people they don't know well. We need to build empathy and solidarity in our culture and ameliorate racial disparities as we methodically work to abolish racism. Racist jokes and how triggered they make us are both effects of a racist status quo that getting less triggered or telling less racist jokes likely will not change. Instead those changes will come when Black people have self determination and power.
I literally tell quite a lot of racist jokes with my friends, and once I was with this friend who called me on it, and even got angered; skip few years ahead, we both traveled to Paris in different occasion, and when we recalled the subway travels within the city: I honestly didn't have any special memory of the subway other than the station have hard-to-remember names; he told me "he was afraid all of the time because it was full these intimidating black folk" I love because he insisted he wasn't the true racist after that "he has friend of color" he said :V It's funny because my business partner is brown-blackish and we both have lot of fun with acid jokes, and we both agree that victimizing an entire race, is the worst kind of racism, because an open racist can be "cured" with familiarity but a "closet racist" disguise it as mercy.
I like the British and Japanese spirit of politeness on contrary and I don't like rude people. It's a choice you make whether you want to live in an intrusive environment or you want to live in a society that respects privacy. Racist jokes are done in private not in public in my opinion. People doing racist jokes openly to everyone even with the very best intention is energy taking and fatigues everyone again in my opinion.
To be more precise, i think in general they both saying that this kind of regulations shift the problem to the underground, out of control situation, a kind of scape hole for the racist-sexist people, maybe they are different in details, but in general they are saying the same thing.
@@mammadyousefi8627 not that anyone would know what the fuck Peterson wants to say, his jargon and meaningless fluff is so potent it's hard to tell if he wants to say anything at all
Como se fosse uma defesa medrosa ao mesmo tempo que intimidadora de uma maioria que não quer sair da sua zona de conforto ao mesmo que discrimina aqueles que ousem denuncia-la. Neste sentido, aliás, parece-me, e mais o objetivo de ataque do Peterson do que de Zizek. Este é mais humorado do que outro, não?
energyeternal His books are pretty hardcore intelectualistic, I found it verry hard to read. But a good one to start with is "the year of dreaming dangerously". very prophetic. If you want something lighter, read "zizek jokes: (did you hear the one about Hegel and negations?)".
The hand gestures convey the intent or colour of the ideas as they are verbally expressed. I would imagine that Zizek's mind is promulgating his thoughts at a rate faster than he can verbally convey. He has the negative feedback loop whereupon the nervous tics intensify as the communication "bottlenecks" and his mind physically manifests this trauma through sublimation to nervous tics, which further degrades his cognitive "bandwidth". In some people impulsive or explosive thoughts actually manifest as a severe headache or tension as the sublimation provides alleviation through the clenching of the facial or chest muscles. Zizek may need to expand the vocabulary of his hand gestures to better correlate with the verbal intent, else resort to mental imagery, as an adjunct, to enhance his mental throughput.
hbb8672 v2.0 that's positive feedback, not negative. The terms "Negative" and "Positive" are kind of misleading; have nothing to do whether the outcome is "bad" or "good." Positive feedback is really just another way of saying "self-reinforcing behavior." Negative feedback is basically anything that interrupts continuous action. So basically: Negative feedback - feeling full after eating enough food Positive feedback - gambling addict racking up discounts / comps at a casino, which incentivizes him to play more often, which makes him more addicted, which makes him play more, which gets him more discounts / comps, and on and on and on
The subtitles get it wrong two sentences per minute... Can we fix this? Even the transcript on the Big Think site of this video is fatally wrong at the same points, for example: 5:14 ''in want sense?'' (he said ''in what sense'') 5:32 ''well get at this'' (he said ''vulgarities'') 5:42 ''So for me there is always intolerance, something off. Let's keep it disturbs me. At the proper distance...'' (he said ''so for me there is always in tolerance something of: let's keep the other in so far as he she they it disturbs me at a proper distance...'')
What he says makes sense in a way.... I guess.... basically being honest about how you feel and what you think is an important element in building bridges between people, you make a situation real with a little bit of obscenity, whereas being politically correct is a quick solution to a situation where people feel vulnerable and hurt.. make sense I guess.. but it requires artistry and a respectful command of language to express yourself honestly without hurting anyone... it takes a certain type of person... an ubermensch...
A tolerância como virtude em relação ao outro é suspeita: tipo vamos deixar as coisas ficarem como estão porque de repente elas podem se virar contra a gente?
It really depends in what context you are looking at tolerance. Tolerance should be regarded as the lowest common denominator in a society upon which its members operate. It is completely irrational to expect any greater acceptance beyond this, keeping the broad diversity of a population in mind. The alternative to tolerance is intolerance, not respect, which is to be earned and grows out of first tolerating and then accepting the other individual.
The schizophrenic state were in, on the one hand celebrating differences on the other pretending not to notice them. The only way to progress is to genuinely not notice the differences, skin color becoming no different than eye color, and so on. Presumably we're on a long path to some form of cohesion with the new "glocal" community, where, in theory, cultures will merge into one. Naturally this will meet much resistance on the way but it is almost certainly inevitable, unless we revert into another dark ages.
No fundo todos já sabem o que é certo e o que é errado. No fundo, isto é na consciência ou alma. E há muito tempo. Cristo, acredito, só estava lembrando as pessoas a sua volta o que elas já sabiam. Assim, portanto, a ênfase num recurso psicológico tão facilmente desmontável como é o politicamente correto talvez se deva a uma covardia ditada pelo fato não se assumir em sua verdade.
Genetic analysis proves that the concept of race, or equivalently sub-species, as a way to differentiate between people based on DNA has no clear definition. There is just no objective way known to decide whether or not two people are of the same race. See "The Grasshopper's Tale" chapter In Dawkins' book "The Ancestor's Tale". Genetically, all people are the same species, and can all reproduce with each other, and do, producing "a continuous spectrum of inter-races" as Dawkins puts it. The notion of race is probably more a reflection of the human psychological need to identify members of the tribe we belong to vs. outsiders. If anything humans are tribal, much like our primate cousins. But tribes are fleeting, lasting only a few generations given the intermixing that regularly happens between them, and so are a pretty arbitrary way of categorizing people.
That's actually not entirely true. You can pretty much point to someone's ethnic origin by looking at their DNA. I agree though that the race concept is not very useful. If you analyze DNA for shard mutations, various ethnic groups actually cluster quite neatly. Dawkins book is great, but very dated too.
So political correctness and tolerance are a couple of steps away from actually addressing racism and classism in the US. Though I'm not so sure that sharing obscenities via jokes is a foolproof method of bringing different races and classes together, as much as it is a method of lowering people's sensitivities. We need to have a way to remove financial labels and influence from human beings. Put a black, white, and brown person in a room together. The physical differences are clear and generally accepted in modern society, but the unspoken divide is financial influence. Every person in that room being equals as humans, but financial labels and influence potentially means some have more of their needs met than others. The only solutions to this situation are for all humans to have a baseline for their needs to be addressed, therefore financial labels and influence don't carry so much weight, or support a societal shift that nurtures the individual and values the individual, rather than the individual's purchasing power.
Capitalism can (and should) coexist with good social services. A good public health care system like the ones in Europe or Canada, no one dies just because he can't afford to pay the treatment.
i think its rather the -making fun at the cost of other person-, which can trigger micro-aggression and have discriminating effect. the ever increasing need of human individual to be part of certain groups, making it easy to feel offended, when jokes are poked at certain group.
Your right. And then someone says it is racist and all of a sudden a joke that could bridge a gap becomes divisive. Prohibition didn't work but where prohibition fails education has a better chance of success.
All judgements aside on Mr. Zizek personally, but the story about two guys naming him an honorary “n*****”... perhaps he did actually have that happen to him, but I have heard this exact and I mean exact same story from several other people in my 50 yrs on earth. always white always male. Its a trope, it reappears again and again but always in the same form: we got over this problem between races when i made a joke showing how cool i am and they made me an honorary member of their society. Its bunk and i’ve never heard a single minority friend of mine say oh yeah we met this guy and he was so awesome we made him an honorary member of our race. Doesnt happen. Sorry. And if it does it’s still not the shining example of parity, equanimity, and fraternity among men.
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Why'd you give this an edgy title lol, Zizek's a clickbait in and of himself.
When you're with friends with other races making "racist jokes" with each other, the jokes are intended to be a mockery of the racist stereotypes themselves and the people who are genuine racists, not disparagement.
+Matthew T yes, a racist and a racist "jock-er" can exist together, except one will be a racist athlete and the other is just a racist.
Sorry, I couldn't help but make a joke out of the misspelling
Matthew. The joker will laugh at the racist jokes because they're ludicrous. The racist joker will laugh at them in a "it's funny, because it's true" way.
They can absolutely co-exist, unless either one is too extreme in regards to their beliefs.
nyx211 oh please. it's funny because stereotypes ARE TRUE in a way. the point should be to laugh, effectively saying "Yes it's true, most black people like rap music, but nonetheless you are more than that and this is just a little tease."
th-cam.com/video/ZCJey_yeu5c/w-d-xo.html right
i think it is the trivialization of racial differences, implicitly stating that these differences are only the subject matter of silly jokes
I'll never be able to get enough Slavoj Zizek.
Apparently, neither will he.
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@@willmercury lol
@@willmercury good one :D
That's really true. I'm from Indonesia and now I'm in a scholarship in Thailand and meet a lot of people from around the world. And instead of being politically correct, we just tell each other our dirty stories, we're become sort-of racist if other people see us but actually we become more closer and more open to each other. Cause in fact, something that sounds so exclusive to your enclave or identity is actually not uncommon to others. So the lesson here is, be chill guys. Make laugh of yourself and people.
Indonesian here too. It's quite stupid how Indonesian (especially the government) push the idea of "tolerance."
There's a big difference between tolerance and acceptance. Tolerance is generally an annoyance that you put up with, like a head cold or a crying baby on a plane. Acceptance is something you embrace without feelings of obligation, sacrifice or resistance.
My thoughts exactly!! I don't "tolerate" my gay friend, I just have a cool person in my life and yeah, she has a girlfriend instead of a boyfriend, so what.
Tolerance is always patronizing ("'I tolerate you" means "I'm above you and I accept your existence". There's an Spanish philosopher who used to say: "Who are you to tolerate me?"), it has nothing to do with RESPECT; in fact, it's quite the opposite. In tolerance there's a vertical position of the ones being tolerant towards that which they tolarate, respect is based on horizontal relationship. Moreover, tolerance is a forces' equalizer: it's not about recognizing the other, but letting be that which you cannot fight or oppose to.
I like what the Spanish philosopher said haha
I'll remember that. Good luck from a Moroccan 👍
Can u name the philosopehr please
hes completely on point about the british and japanese
@mark heyne you'd wanna conquer more land too if you were relegated to an island.
@mark heyne yeah you starting getting safe after you were relegated here, no one would have thought that losing the 100 years one and getting kicked out from the european continent would become and huge advantage in the future
@mark heyne I would not like be a colony of another nation but each their own
Also I basically live in the fourth reich so is not that I can really speak about that ahah
Yeah as a South African with British ancestry when I went there I found the fake politeness unbearable.
Yeah. I lived in England for more than 1 year. Being a loner, I really would not socialize. Maybe that's why I never got to see the fake politeness, except in 2 or 3 situations. Only after coming back to India did I realise that 'Fake Politeness' is really a thing in British culture. The Brits are probably the best at it. But Japanese ? Well, that's new ! I didn't know anything about their fake politeness. Zizek surprised me there. But yeah, I do know that they have great standards ...
One of the great advantages of growing up with a parent with a very sick sense of humour is that you learn that the point of humour is to bond with people and have a good time together, NOT to shit on the object of the joke.
I would love to drink a beer with this guy real shit
Most likely he will also share you some of his coke
I'm pretty sure he's just nervous. Touching one's face it often a sign of being nervous.
Or he has a head cold
maybe some fucking fruit juice
And bring an air purifier
This reminds me of a Broad City episode where Abbi is telling Ilana to imitate various accents: Italian, Australian, German, etc. Then when Abbi says "do Chinese," Ilana is like "no dude, that's racist." I thought this was a clever scene because it makes the audience wonder, why is that? i.e. why is it that imitating a Chinese accent is considered racist in the West whereas imitating Western accents is not? I think this is part of what Žižek is getting at. The problem is not actually the imitation itself, but rather that Chinese people are seen as being somehow "below" white people in the West. The result is that we don't find imitations of white Westerner's accents offensive because we do not pity them (they are on the same level), but we do find it offensive for Chinese accents, because it seems like you are picking on the little guy; the Chinese person in the West is worthy of pity. The problem is not the imitation itself but rather this social "totem pole." If we had a society where everyone was socially equal, we wouldn't find it offensive. The problem is that our society is not equal. (obviously this applies to other groups as well this is just an example)
This guy has a severe nervous tics that make him touch his nose. We get it, it's weird. You can stop commenting about it.
Chase P. I thought he just had a cold
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tandoori chicken I thought he was sniffing tons cocaine
I think he actually has a cold
Chase P. no fam, it's all the cocaine. How else do you write all those books?
I'm not even a Marxist and I love this man.
Update: Now I am a Marxist.
You don't need to be Marxist to love him
>not a Marxist
>his avi is Enver Hoxha
Keep in mind this is a 2 year old comment, his views could've evolved since he wrote it. @@fukou_da
@@syllogism2034 he wasn't a marxist until he read every single one of zizek's books
A cosmonaut huh?
Slavoj ‘sarcastically quotes counter argument then screams “No!”’ Zizek
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First tag he's talking about how its easy to say nice things about broad generalizations, he kind of swallows the word "easy" maybe that's why ya missed it. The second one hes just being hyperbolic about what his students then ask him, he then tells us what he tells them so thats fine. Third and fourth one ye u rite.
thank you
Bro is explaining how to apply friendship dynamics to politics and racism lmao,and I'm loving it
I worked in a hugely diverse team for several years (related to immigration - most were staff migrants, from a >a dozen countries). We made CONSTANT jokes about each other's race, religion, culture, and nationality. It's a great way of bonding with people. That way you can subvert racism by using its structure as a means of building relationships.
As an Indigenous of Turtle Island, I am tired, exhausted. I am a tolerated guest in my own land. In the workforce, I am tolerated as an unwelcomed guest and yet the reserves are a deprived life raft and only account for a fraction of of a single percentage point of our original lands and the rules are still dictated to us. We are "given" enough to live but no enough dot die. We can thrive in neither worlds. An Indian reality is the fourth world.
Don't watch. Just listen. It's easier.
Tried that; can't stand the voice. Just read the transcript.
Don't worry you get used to the Slurring Slovene's voice after a while
Tavo H egshagtly. The shluring shlovenian lishp ish containgiush.
Fuck that! Look at the ugly truth! Get used to it. Open your pants...
You are racism.😂😂
I swear, the weirdest and most unconventional of people who you would initially ignore or disregard are always the smartest and most aware. Very incredible.
“Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk.”
- Samuel Vimes in Feet of Clay (by Terry Pratchett)
Amen
Aqui você me lembrou que o politicamente correto em não contar piada racistas ( ou machistas, homofóbicas etc.) oculta um subtexto: negros ou homossexuais são moralmente superiores a nós.
A: I love this man's accent, there is just something so fun about listening to him.
B: I think that racist jokes are acceptable as they, at least by good intent, are meant to undermine the meaning of racist jokes, by joking about the joke itself. Such as the joke "You think the only people who are people, are the people who look and think like you." is the only true line from Pocahontas, to which the reply is "May I remind you "These white people are dangerous!"."
Just become friends! Cockney shite. You're thinking too much, let's drink whiskey instead.
(I'm from India tell something racistly funny)
Why are you americans so obsessed with racism and think that white people are dangerous?
There is a difference between forcing yourself to be tolerant & basic manners & compassion. A few social skills are not a bad thing.
of course there is. Most SJWs are not capable of that, because they are obsessed living in a reality filtered by social media and safe spaces, instead of meeting someone face to face. Exaggerated tolerance comes from the fear of not coping with a stranger (nationally, racially, culturally, sexually... etc).
Except for the fact manners and compassion is what you choose for yourself. Being PC is akin to having a gun to your head, that is tolerance with no value.
I TOLERATE a spider in my rooms corner. That doesnt mean that i wouldnt kill him if he gets on my desk.
Thats why the word tollerance may not be what you think it is.
It's a shame. Spiders hunt flies and other pests, while spiders themselves are (mostly) harmless.
@@kevinclass2010 GO TO HELL SPIDER LOVER
I think that's precisely his point. Tolerance leads to a world where racists still exist, they just reside in the underground or their own circles invisible to everyone else. To me that sounds like a pretty scary place that gives racists power to organize without criticism
This guy is just too awesome... I literally have to take notes when watching any of his videos.
the british/japanese example is on point
Actually, most Native American cultures were not wrecklessly extractive and exploitive. Many however began to overexploit the environment in certain areas, largely due to their loss of access to other places as well as partly due to incentives brought on by European trade, especially in furs.
I love this guy & so on.
And so on
this guy is probably in the top 5 people to spend an afternoon with. Along with bill nye and steven hawking.
I would spend an afternoon with him, but only if he agreed to have his hands tied behind his back.
Northern Bohemian Realist why. Is it the nose thing. Id just give him a hankerchief
Mr Rishi The Cookie
He is rude. Handkerchief? No. Sandpaper..
Northern Bohemian Realist lol
Bill nye seems to be the most boring person ever.
Not just making jokes among friends, but when you tackle these issues in a more performative environment, making fun of yourself and encouraging people to laugh at themselves as well, without taking away from the gravity of course, you can actually get people to change in whatever capacity they can/want.
I love this guy so much.
I LOVE the Slavoj series!
3:16 this is epic. finally found someone who thinks this way and tell it with a very clear example
well said zizek
Great watch, also great tidbit on malcom X
I love this guy. I wish I could meet him and have a fun dinner together. I am sure he would make me laugh so hard that I would fall out of my chair.
9 minutes to say something i can explain in a few sentences:
Words do not mean anything independent of what the speaker intends to mean and what that word means to the audience.
Policing words is a futile effort because words and what they mean are subjective to relative contexts.
But also don't be an asshole.
- Billy
alienzen
*sniff*
It's called big think. Not, in a few sentences, think.
InorganicRubble
Sorry, i do not understand.
Where did i imply or claim that this channel should be called "In-A-Few-Sentences" think?
+billy bob
It's just a joke. Don't worry about it.
eggo
Serious question. I did not realize that it's a joke. Nor did i think he meant to insult me. I took his question literally.
How did you recognize that it's a joke?
This guy is great! Awesome video, spot on! Your last bit on Malcom X is brilliant.
His analysis of British & Japanese racist politeness was awesome!
Tolerance implies seem the other as distant and different, implies not being equals, nobody would use this word to refer to a people or behavior they sees as the same as theirs.
"That's the miracle of truly successful racism..." This out of context just made me laugh.
Absolutely correct you are my friend this is one of the best videos I've see Professor you are absolutely correct
I just realized, after we lost r/2balkan4you, how true Senpai Žižek was.
The way he touches his nose, eyes its weird... But this guy is on another level🔥🔥🔥
It's grat to find a philosopher that I can relate to so much in his way of thinking. I have watched over 10 of his talks. So many hours :--D
If anybody reading this likes what they hear, watch Blazing Saddles
For real, you'll love it
DeoMachina
*sigh*
He’s not saying we should make jokes like this NOW, he’s saying we would be able to do it in a post racist society.
Which America in the 70s was not.
Did this years ago in college. I'm small white guy. I see very large black guy standing near me that I didn't know. He had a spear point on a necklace outside his shirt. I walked up, looked up at him and said , "what's the point for, are you a spearchucker'? He lolled and we were friends.
I've been around many small mixed race friend groups, 3-5 people. Anecdotally, I have noticed that working class mixed race groups tend to tell way more offensive jokes and isially get along fine. Of course they don't tell those jokes around people they don't know well. We need to build empathy and solidarity in our culture and ameliorate racial disparities as we methodically work to abolish racism. Racist jokes and how triggered they make us are both effects of a racist status quo that getting less triggered or telling less racist jokes likely will not change. Instead those changes will come when Black people have self determination and power.
I literally tell quite a lot of racist jokes with my friends, and once I was with this friend who called me on it, and even got angered; skip few years ahead, we both traveled to Paris in different occasion, and when we recalled the subway travels within the city: I honestly didn't have any special memory of the subway other than the station have hard-to-remember names; he told me "he was afraid all of the time because it was full these intimidating black folk"
I love because he insisted he wasn't the true racist after that "he has friend of color" he said :V It's funny because my business partner is brown-blackish and we both have lot of fun with acid jokes, and we both agree that victimizing an entire race, is the worst kind of racism, because an open racist can be "cured" with familiarity but a "closet racist" disguise it as mercy.
“Political correctness is a desperate reaction..” interesting!!
Who is the cutest person watching this video?
2:50
Probably smartest guy alive today.
I like the British and Japanese spirit of politeness on contrary and I don't like rude people. It's a choice you make whether you want to live in an intrusive environment or you want to live in a society that respects privacy. Racist jokes are done in private not in public in my opinion. People doing racist jokes openly to everyone even with the very best intention is energy taking and fatigues everyone again in my opinion.
i completely agree with this, honestly, i think in some sence zizek and peterson are standing in the same ground in political correctness.
To be more precise, i think in general they both saying that this kind of regulations shift the problem to the underground, out of control situation, a kind of scape hole for the racist-sexist people, maybe they are different in details, but in general they are saying the same thing.
@@mammadyousefi8627 not that anyone would know what the fuck Peterson wants to say, his jargon and meaningless fluff is so potent it's hard to tell if he wants to say anything at all
Como se fosse uma defesa medrosa ao mesmo tempo que intimidadora de uma maioria que não quer sair da sua zona de conforto ao mesmo que discrimina aqueles que ousem denuncia-la. Neste sentido, aliás, parece-me, e mais o objetivo de ataque do Peterson do que de Zizek. Este é mais humorado do que outro, não?
First comment, first like, first *sniff*, first and so on and so on...
6:47 Yeah Žižek spread that mucus on your eyes.
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Where can I red about Zizek thesis on political correctness?
The comment about severed roots presenting an opportunity can be seen in looking at art before, during and right after WWII. Good point.
Totally agree, men show affection for each other by giving each other shit...
Žižek! 💕💕
I found this fascinating & thought provoking.
Do any of you have a recommendation for any of Slavoj Zizek's books or other works?
energyeternal His books are pretty hardcore intelectualistic, I found it verry hard to read. But a good one to start with is "the year of dreaming dangerously". very prophetic. If you want something lighter, read "zizek jokes: (did you hear the one about Hegel and negations?)".
I wonder if they shook his hand after the interview
The hand gestures convey the intent or colour of the ideas as they are verbally expressed. I would imagine that Zizek's mind is promulgating his thoughts at a rate faster than he can verbally convey. He has the negative feedback loop whereupon the nervous tics intensify as the communication "bottlenecks" and his mind physically manifests this trauma through sublimation to nervous tics, which further degrades his cognitive "bandwidth". In some people impulsive or explosive thoughts actually manifest as a severe headache or tension as the sublimation provides alleviation through the clenching of the facial or chest muscles. Zizek may need to expand the vocabulary of his hand gestures to better correlate with the verbal intent, else resort to mental imagery, as an adjunct, to enhance his mental throughput.
hbb8672 v2.0 that's positive feedback, not negative. The terms "Negative" and "Positive" are kind of misleading; have nothing to do whether the outcome is "bad" or "good." Positive feedback is really just another way of saying "self-reinforcing behavior." Negative feedback is basically anything that interrupts continuous action.
So basically:
Negative feedback - feeling full after eating enough food
Positive feedback - gambling addict racking up discounts / comps at a casino, which incentivizes him to play more often, which makes him more addicted, which makes him play more, which gets him more discounts / comps, and on and on and on
Canadian comic Russel Peters early work shows a mastery of this regarding racism.
The subtitles get it wrong two sentences per minute... Can we fix this? Even the transcript on the Big Think site of this video is fatally wrong at the same points, for example: 5:14 ''in want sense?'' (he said ''in what sense'') 5:32 ''well get at this'' (he said ''vulgarities'') 5:42 ''So for me there is always intolerance, something off. Let's keep it disturbs me. At the proper distance...'' (he said ''so for me there is always in tolerance something of: let's keep the other in so far as he she they it disturbs me at a proper distance...'')
Such a great philosopher.
Fantástico!
What he says makes sense in a way.... I guess.... basically being honest about how you feel and what you think is an important element in building bridges between people, you make a situation real with a little bit of obscenity, whereas being politically correct is a quick solution to a situation where people feel vulnerable and hurt.. make sense I guess.. but it requires artistry and a respectful command of language to express yourself honestly without hurting anyone... it takes a certain type of person... an ubermensch...
I always love these videos.
Tolerance,re human interaction;is such a bizarre construct. i agree with,Slavoj.
A tolerância como virtude em relação ao outro é suspeita: tipo vamos deixar as coisas ficarem como estão porque de repente elas podem se virar contra a gente?
Best argument I've watched against PC
2.40 I had the same experiece
Up!
It really depends in what context you are looking at tolerance.
Tolerance should be regarded as the lowest common denominator in a society upon which its members operate. It is completely irrational to expect any greater acceptance beyond this, keeping the broad diversity of a population in mind.
The alternative to tolerance is intolerance, not respect, which is to be earned and grows out of first tolerating and then accepting the other individual.
He's so adorable , even with the spit and coke habits. Thanks my love
Meme philosopher. You're the best sir.
8:56 "uuu let's find our roots" XD
wow actually a good take on political correctness, and not just right wingers going "let me say the n-word!"
The schizophrenic state were in, on the one hand celebrating differences on the other pretending not to notice them. The only way to progress is to genuinely not notice the differences, skin color becoming no different than eye color, and so on. Presumably we're on a long path to some form of cohesion with the new "glocal" community, where, in theory, cultures will merge into one. Naturally this will meet much resistance on the way but it is almost certainly inevitable, unless we revert into another dark ages.
No fundo todos já sabem o que é certo e o que é errado. No fundo, isto é na consciência ou alma. E há muito tempo. Cristo, acredito, só estava lembrando as pessoas a sua volta o que elas já sabiam. Assim, portanto, a ênfase num recurso psicológico tão facilmente desmontável como é o politicamente correto talvez se deva a uma covardia ditada pelo fato não se assumir em sua verdade.
Thats just so true its like joking with your friends and stuff
Genetic analysis proves that the concept of race, or equivalently sub-species, as a way to differentiate between people based on DNA has no clear definition. There is just no objective way known to decide whether or not two people are of the same race. See "The Grasshopper's Tale" chapter In Dawkins' book "The Ancestor's Tale".
Genetically, all people are the same species, and can all reproduce with each other, and do, producing "a continuous spectrum of inter-races" as Dawkins puts it.
The notion of race is probably more a reflection of the human psychological need to identify members of the tribe we belong to vs. outsiders. If anything humans are tribal, much like our primate cousins. But tribes are fleeting, lasting only a few generations given the intermixing that regularly happens between them, and so are a pretty arbitrary way of categorizing people.
biannual reminder that irish people used to not be considered white
That's actually not entirely true. You can pretty much point to someone's ethnic origin by looking at their DNA.
I agree though that the race concept is not very useful. If you analyze DNA for shard mutations, various ethnic groups actually cluster quite neatly.
Dawkins book is great, but very dated too.
I'm glad that I can agree with this guy on something finally.
So political correctness and tolerance are a couple of steps away from actually addressing racism and classism in the US. Though I'm not so sure that sharing obscenities via jokes is a foolproof method of bringing different races and classes together, as much as it is a method of lowering people's sensitivities.
We need to have a way to remove financial labels and influence from human beings. Put a black, white, and brown person in a room together. The physical differences are clear and generally accepted in modern society, but the unspoken divide is financial influence. Every person in that room being equals as humans, but financial labels and influence potentially means some have more of their needs met than others.
The only solutions to this situation are for all humans to have a baseline for their needs to be addressed, therefore financial labels and influence don't carry so much weight, or support a societal shift that nurtures the individual and values the individual, rather than the individual's purchasing power.
No.
216trixie No what? Elaborate.
Capitalism can (and should) coexist with good social services.
A good public health care system like the ones in Europe or Canada, no one dies just because he can't afford to pay the treatment.
"Classicism" lol
i think the most important thing is his understanding of racism as a response to fluxuations in dominance.
i think its rather the -making fun at the cost of other person-, which can trigger micro-aggression and have discriminating effect. the ever increasing need of human individual to be part of certain groups, making it easy to feel offended, when jokes are poked at certain group.
His assessment on the Brits, absolutely spot on!
I don't even know Malcom X.
I admire Martin Luther King Jr as one of my leaders though. ☕
*sniff*
- Slavoj Zizek
What if it's not cocaine? What he he just does that 24/7? OMG that would drive someone insane after a while.
He does. They're nervous tics
i really look forward to his discussion with dr. peterson.
both are genius minds, i wonder how they will come to terms!
has anyone actually found a video, in wich Zizek isn't explaining why an Indian friend of him doesn't want to be called "Native American"? :D
Your right. And then someone says it is racist and all of a sudden a joke that could bridge a gap becomes divisive. Prohibition didn't work but where prohibition fails education has a better chance of success.
Is this guy ever not on about political correctness? He constantly misappropriates it too.
Zizek is my favourite person.
All judgements aside on Mr. Zizek personally, but the story about two guys naming him an honorary “n*****”... perhaps he did actually have that happen to him, but I have heard this exact and I mean exact same story from several other people in my 50 yrs on earth. always white always male. Its a trope, it reappears again and again but always in the same form: we got over this problem between races when i made a joke showing how cool i am and they made me an honorary member of their society. Its bunk and i’ve never heard a single minority friend of mine say oh yeah we met this guy and he was so awesome we made him an honorary member of our race. Doesnt happen. Sorry. And if it does it’s still not the shining example of parity, equanimity, and fraternity among men.
Hey guys of Big Think! I want to contribute spanish subtitles for this video, but it isn't allowed :( can you allow it? :)
This reminds me of that Orcbrand tweet.
In m'y country WE Make a lots of "racist" jokes yet WE have very little racist problèms
If you want to hang out, you've gotta take her out...
This guy is great.
Quite brilliant...
tie his hands and he'll be most likable guy ever!
Nurul Ahad fuck you
Jack Sprack shut up snowflake
And so on and so on.
The idea that you can make racist jokes and not sound racist is too idealistic in our conventional society.