Wouldn't have been so easy at that time, since Daemon was still married to Rhea Royce. Although, that marriage was never consummated, so Viserys could have had a word with the High Septon, got Daemon's marriage annulled, then wed Rhaenyra to Daemon, to unify their claims and bring both to heel by giving them a reason to obey him, by giving them what they want on his terms.
@@willhyde5026 considering Daemon kills his own wife to be with rhaenyra I'm guessing he would be willing to make Viserys have an "accident" once he's married to the heir. Viserys knows his brother despite some level of naivety and that's why his main strategy is to keep him far away.
@@darrenfleming7901Daemon can be Cold and vicious but he would never act against Viserys. Family means everything to him. If daemon wanted to be king, he could have made Viserys have an accident when he ascended the throne as he was then heir at the time
This is brilliant acting. So well done, I feel sorry for how things turn out. Marrying Alicent was the biggest mistake ever made. Rharnyra was born to be Queen. I adore this father/daughter scenes.
I don't think marrying Alicent was the problem. Whoever he married, any son born to them would be contenders. The problem is, Viserys never truly trained Rhaenyra to rule and extend her own influence. Worse, he never publicly heralded her as the rightful heir after Aegon was born. He was too sick and too optimistic to realize that half of Westeros won't just bow down to a woman as their ruler.
@@CA-bw9vw yes you are right on that but there is another problem and that is rhanyneras sons are bastards and bastards can't inherent anything plus viserys has his own trueborn sons that created more problem
She makes a very, a VERY good point. If it really was about strengthening their position and if he really just wanted her happy and as heir he'd have married Laena. But like everyone else, he gave into the notion that women come after the men. His own discomfort with the age difference mattered, hers does not. He can chose his partner based on his likings, she cannot. On one hand he wants her to feel like she has a choice as long as she makes a good choice, but at the same time he refuses to be an example. Marrying Alicent was his 2nd mistake. Ordering his son delivered and his wife killed was his first and biggest.
If King Viserys married Laena, than the Dance of Dragons would’ve still probably happened. If Laena had a son, you know Corlys would want his grandson to become king instead of Rhaenyra, even though Viserys named her heir beforehand. The only difference would be that the Hightowers might support Rhaenyra’s claim and be on her side, with Alicent as one of her ladies-in-waiting and the Velaryons would’ve played a part in the war. The two houses’s roles would be switched.
@@garlantyrell6368 Not if Rhaenyra marries Laenor and Laenor succeeds on impregnating her. They will still have their blood on the throne no matter what.
@@garlantyrell6368 Corlys isn't the type to start a war over that. He'd retreat to Driftmark and sulk, as he always does but he wouldn't call for war over something his house has no power over.
@@NtoTheMnot really Corlys would have a massive uperhand over Rhaenyra if he fought her to put his grandson on the throne. Laena would have Vhagar, Laenor would have Seasmoke, Laena's kids with Viserys would have dragons of their own, Rhaenys would have Meleys against Rhaenyra who had Syrax and Daemon who had Caraxes and some little dragons that their kids might have. Corlys would 100% push for his grandson to be king.
@@raf3765 this atitude from Viserys and Rhaenyra caused the war. Otto helped create the roots but Rhaenyra and Viserys lighted all the matches for the war to start.
If you've never had half or step siblings you wouldn't understand. She is being replaced and swept aside. She is very aware of it and considering her mother just died she is very angry at her father for doing this even if necessary.
Yup, people called Viserys out for being weak and letting the Dance of Dragons happen but they never blame the real people who caused it. No matter what when people brought up Aegon to be the next king, Viserys always show his inner dragon and shut them down like Jason Lannister.
@Meme how? Cause he got married and had children? Cause I hope people know that the Targaryens have been known for dying off at a high rate. Viserys had over 7 aunts and uncles combined, but 2 survived. What will happen if by chance, Visery's daughter dies ? Who do you think will take the Throne then?
@@RicePho he didn’t change his heir never changed any laws for rhaenyra never prepared her never legitimized her bastards he put a target on her back while simultaneously slighting his first born son by not making him his heir
Viserys was really a fool to first name Rhaenyra as his heir and theb making sons with Alicent. If you want your girl to rule, do not bring a son into this world Viserys. It's simple calculation.
It's to risky, in medieval times people died like flies. No king would have one son/daughter and bet everything on him/her because they could die easily, especially if it's a girl due to how dangerous pregnancy was.
he couldn't just be alone and have no more heirs, Rhaenyra was a woman and she could die in birth as any other man could die in a battle or even in a dragon's back, many accidents could happen. the question is that the throne was ususped by the council, that plotted it since Aegon was born and they know what did viserys had choosen but didn't care. and sadly, rhaenyra didn't play well the game of thrones, Aegon neither, but at least Rhaenyra's sons ruled.
@@AF-hv4yy Just because he was cruel to his children, he hadn't raised them as such and expected more than their upbringing could provide. Viserys I was a king. If he just hadn't paid so much attention to Rhaenyra's caprices or if he never named Otto as his hand again, things would be different. After Strong's death he should've named his brother as his Hand.
@@Stellarionas I'd argue that the way Tywin raised his children was the key to his undoing. He was blind to Cersei & Jaime's incest and the 3 bastards it produced that he ended up having to fight a massive war because of it (which in turn left House Lannister financially dependent on the Iron Bank & the Tyrells), him ignoring Cersei when she said she didn't want to marry Loras resulted in her souring the relationship w the Tyrells and led to Cersei running to the High Sparrow to solve her problems, and the way he neglected & treated Tyrion probably made it a lot easier for Tyrion to kill him when the time came. I'm just saying Tywin didn't necessarily have a whole lot of room to talk.
@BenMedia It's nice of us to consider things when already knowing what happens (including me) but I believe what we miss is that Viserys I could not see it that way. He loved his family and he was in general a good and decent man. Judging by his own standards he could not understand why his family members were trying to "eat" each other because he could never do it. That's why he didn't take measures. He believed that the king's command was enough for everyone and above everyone's benefits and interests.
@michellecueto1072 Actually they don't. They may give the x and y chromosomes needed to give gender, but whichever is fertilized is purely by chance. They don't have control over it anymore than women do.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Actually, latest research has shown that eggs have complete control over which sperms they want to let through. If any particular sperm is undesirable, the egg can prevent it from making it through the membrane at all. This isn't based on a man's DNA. Rather, when it comes to the hundreds of millions of sperms in a single load, we can say that the egg has a type.
@thegreatjedi309 That should be common knowledge as that isn't exactly new research. I learned that in school which was almost 15 years ago. But that is still beyond the woman's control; it's just the body doing it's own thing.
@@Tellevagain there’s no point to them being pop ups. Just text appearing for a quick moment like any other captioning in a reaction video in the same style. It’s lazy content creation and there’s no reason to not shit on it or to make excuses for it when we all watch these stupid videos anyways. Might as well point out how hack it is
If only one of them stopped being so freaking selfish and thought about the state of royal family, they would not be in this shoe. Viserys should have wed the kid, and Rhaenyra should kept her mouth shut and wed a powerful ally be content with it. There is no chance in HELL that they will be happy with a queen.
I’d argue Laenor was one of the most powerful allies Rhaenyra could have married. Better option than any of the nobody Lords we saw at her betrothal tour.
Technically speaking, she should have been given to Daemon to shore up both claims to the throne. And Vsierys should have given her actual lessons on ruling instead of making her a laughingstock in front of men who'd one day be expected to advise and serve her competently.
3:00 "Find him yourself," he said, and when Rhaenyra had chosen Daemon, he said, "NO ! There will never be such a thing !"🤣🤣🤣🤣🥲🥲🥲🥲 Note: In the books, when Daemon and Rhaenyra tried to get permission from Viserys to marry, Viserys banished Daemon and imprisoned Rhaenyra in her chamber, then forced her to choose, telling her that she would not have the crown unless she married Laenor, and Rhaenyra chose the crown. Daemon was had to respect Rhaenyra's choice, because she didn’t say "Please stay" or "Take me away".
Great scene. I cant decide if Alicent is fool enough to "Not Remember" Rhaenyra was just in there earlier taking to Viserys and he's heavily drugged Or, if Alicent thinks everybody is cowardly enough to forget and forgive what the King told Everybody (Rhaenyra will replace me).
Queen Elizabeth was linked deeply to the Mau Mau uprising, protected her son Prince Andrew through his connections to Epstein and assault, and secretly stashed her money in Panama to avoid paying taxes to her people.
She fucked upped. Had she strived to get along with literally the only person who wanted her to be queen and played her part right, the dance of the dragons could have been averted or at least minimized. Vyseris is right if she was to be queen, she should have understood that the position comes with resposabilities she can’t just mope herself away from. Vyseris was foolish, and Rhaenyra wasn’t too far back in that regard.
Correct she is shown to be too privileged to make sacrifices like Alicent did. Viserys should have named her regent not Alicent. He damaged his daughters claim himself
Notice Viserys swears by Aemma's memory that Rhaenera won't be supplanted, but then Rheanera swears to Alicent on her mother's memory (in front of a weirwood specifically) that she's still a maiden when that's a lie. Later, Alicent helps ultimately supplant Rhaenera. By some interpretations, Aegon supplanting Rhaenera could be considered karma since Rhaenera betrayed Aemma's memory in front of the Heart Tree.
@@sgshumblecrumb6046 Ayo it was Ser Criston Cole that was supposed to be guarding the teenage girl 🤭I can't bring myself to get on her case when he couldn't even protect her from himself.
All the aegon fanboys need to take a copium pill, because Aegon himself didn't want the throne and since most of y'all hate on bobby b, Aegon was basically him in Targaryen form(minus being absolute chad who ended Targaryen rule)
I really don't think Rhaenyra was ever truly happy even when she eventually did get the iron Throne in the book, the people sure weren't happy with her that's for sure considering they took up arms against her
Rhaenyra: "You have no more use for me..." Viserys:" Your right I"ll marry you off to Jason Lannister, name Aegon heir and prepare him to rule" Roll credits, no war happens.
@@raf3765 if Viserys had been an actual father to him and if he was taught he might have made a better ruler. And in the Dance of Dragons he was actually a lot more competent than Rhaenyra in some regards. And even if he wasn't a great king if he had been named heir there would have been no war.
@@raf3765 not really, Aegon II would have been a decent enough because he was presentable enough to the public and that's all he really has to be. He can drink and whore behind closed doors and leave the governing to more capable men like Robert Baratheon did
@@titakaty53 at least he was out there fighting with his army on his dragon Sunfyre, he had skilled administrators in his small council. Not a good king but better than Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra was a terrible ruler who was cowardly and never rode her dragon into battle.
What’s tragic is she was supplanted in the end, and only through daeny did it basically end up how it should have. Except daeny also died without an heir. 😢
He doesn’t want her to choose daemon at all, she knows that And i don’t think it would be politically smart to choose harwin either tbf But lucky for her didn’t have to choose between them I guess
"The war started because Otto planted.." No. The war started beacuse the Targaryens forget where they came from and how they conquered the land. Daemon did partly. Jaerhys understood this well and didn't hand out dragons left to right. If Viserys was serious about making Raeynerya heir he must craft the alliance with those he can trust and also scare the shit out of the rest with their dragons. WIth this "dragon only" rule it would have been MUCH easier to prusade Rahyenra to marry, with his brother and multiply, and only their true born, limited to only two heirs would in turn ride dragons. This entire idea of making deals with the Andal-houses and share their power with them set the doom for the Targaryens, in that way Viserys was to weak, blinded and to influenced by the westroisi traditions. he should never have let his other born children ride dragons. Its the source to their power. And he handed out WMDs left and right. That is not what a good ruler does in that situation if you truly care about the people in Westeros. The Targaryen fuck ups did more damage to the people than the white walkers ever did. Lol. Only needed one Arya for that. The dragon rule should always had been that one of 3 dragons along as the faith and the Andal houses was allowed to remain in power. If they wanted more Targaryens in power on dragons? They need to replace the mighty houses in wetstros to do so. In that way they could have created a new Valyria over time. But the idea was not to create a new Valyria but to stop the white walkers. The rule of 3 dragons is the most logic path to take here in means of keeping the peace and power balance.
Jaeherys did hand out dragons 'left and right'. partly because its not in the power fo the king to control each of his house's members. The 'Queen who never was' wedded into the velaryons while retaining her dragon DURING Jaeherys's reign. Hell, almost all of his own children that reached adulthood had their own dragons and in no way did he regulate who gets which. The only time that he did show this facet was when dragon eggs were stolen and there was a probability of them falling into the hands of non-targaryen bloodlines. And laenor naturally got a dragon through his mother as well. Viserys can be shitted upon for a number of things but this is too much. Hell, if he had actually tried to do what you suggest, them it would kickstart a dance of dragons on a much higher scale except this time it would be the King and his heir against literally everyone else who stands to lose their power over their dragons.
@@countlitmogaphil392the reason the veleryons were allowed dragons in their family was because they were by the Targaryens side since the beginning since old Valyria they were a very trusted house jaehareys could trust them and add into the fact that rhaenys then married into that family only secured that fact and why her children were allowed dragons as well.
@@Mcherri My point is, that we dont have a precedent of a ruler ever not providing dragons to his/her brood... Its tradition and culture, something that Viserys cant really control. Even in old Valyria dragons were flourishing and their numbers rampant. Theres really no way around it and besides, their dragonblood implies that Aegon or aemond can both claim dragons if they ever came across one. Rhaenyra cant just lock up all the dragons in the dungeons after all
Firstly, YES!!! The dragons and their riders are very much a double edged sword. Secondly, Gallow Glass is one of my favorite characters from A Discovery of Witches. 👍
@BrettSmashy Odd that they named him that. Gallowglass, or Gal Gaeil if you're Irish, is a job title. It's kind of like naming a character Barista, or Plumber. 😆
The way Paddy Constantine describes it, it seems that Viserys is doing the kind of reverse of what Teddy Roosevelt did after his first wife died. You could count with your fingers how often he publicly called Alice Roosevelt Longworth "Alice" because he did everything in his power to purge Alice Lee Roosevelt from his memory. Viserys obsesses over Aemma and Rhaenyra at the expense of Alicent and her children.
I haven't been able to figure out what she meant when she says "You think a man will do it?" Mustve been too young to realize she was into girls with Alicent, but didn't get the chance to explore that because Alicent got with her dad without telling her she's been seeing Viserys.
She’s asking if he thinks a man will make her happy The other part of ur comment could explain why Alicent gets so pissy when rhaenyra is out doing what she’s doing with her uncle
@@blissinchains did you seriously watch hotd and miss the clear romantic tension between childhood Rhaenyra and Alicent? Jesus christ the media literacy of some people, you don't need to repress yourself so hard that you miss entire relationships and plot points, you know?
Marrying Laena Velaryon wouldve been a mistake. Politically it is sound but biologically? Not even. She'll just suffer the same fate as Aemma did a lot of stillborns and hard pregnancies. Aemma had the same problem she had been too young when she married Viserys. She was 11 iirc and looked what happened to her. Laena was only a year older than Aemma when theyre forcing Viserys to marry her.
Another way dragon riders could go extinct is BY marrying too many outsiders. Dragon rider blood gets too diluted and the dragons wouldn't accept them anymore.
@@santanas1879 That's true and that's why politically it is a good idea to marry Laena. Biologically not so much. Beside Viserys already has an heir remarrying would just messed everything up. Like what has already happened.
The Green's claim would only be "he's a boy she's a girl" if it weren't for Viserys' lack of balls and Rhaenyra's selfishness. From Aegon's POV his older sister and the heir apparent is a mega hater on him for no real reason , which is why it's so easy for Allicent to manipulate him.
I don't think Rhaenyra deserves to be queen. She thinks she's above everyone and everything, that she doesn't have to adhere to the same rules that apply to everyone else including her father. Her father was pushed to marry for the good of the realm even though he was still grieving. Alicent didn't romantically like him and he did not romantically like her either. But they both did what duty calls for. If you can't do that, you won't make a good leader and you won't have many allies. It's not all about me, me, me.
You're bogus. What you're seeing here is the vestiges of a girl who lost her mother too young and clearly is still feeling the loss heavily. "I had a family"--she was referring to how he murdered Aemma here. She's not ready for romance at this point, and why is that something to be held against her? Ah. Because poor little Alicent wasn't, either. Neither case was right; however, at least Alicent wasn't tied to a gay man who EVERYONE knew would never sleep with her, while expecting her to manage immaculate conception. Rhaenyra got that deal with laenor; a good man, a good friend but TERRIBLE husband. There's no way he'd ever be attracted to her in order to sleep with her, even if she'd had the guts to try what Margaery suggested with Renly in GoT. And she didn't. (And that's ok, too.)
I don't necessarily believe Rhaenyra was thinking me, me, me. I think she was thinking of the preservation of house Targaryen. However, it's still in a way self centered. In my opinion all of the remaining Valyrians from the time of the Doom were to focused on the preservation of thier own houses, when they should have been focused on the preservation of Valyrian culture. Ancient tomes, Valyrian ship (the greatest fleets that the got and hotd world had ever known) building methods, and Smelting Valyrian steel were all essentially lost from 95% of the world because Valyrians could not get it together enough to realize they needed to be working together and marrying within the culture
Viserys: "Search him out. Find one that pleases you."
Rhaenyra: "Ok I choose UNCLE DAEMON."
Viserys: "........"
Viserys knows his daughter is a whore and daemon likes whore rhanyra should have joined brothel profation of prostitute is best work for her
Pfff
Wouldn't have been so easy at that time, since Daemon was still married to Rhea Royce. Although, that marriage was never consummated, so Viserys could have had a word with the High Septon, got Daemon's marriage annulled, then wed Rhaenyra to Daemon, to unify their claims and bring both to heel by giving them a reason to obey him, by giving them what they want on his terms.
@@willhyde5026 considering Daemon kills his own wife to be with rhaenyra I'm guessing he would be willing to make Viserys have an "accident" once he's married to the heir. Viserys knows his brother despite some level of naivety and that's why his main strategy is to keep him far away.
@@darrenfleming7901Daemon can be Cold and vicious but he would never act against Viserys. Family means everything to him.
If daemon wanted to be king, he could have made Viserys have an accident when he ascended the throne as he was then heir at the time
"That is true enough."
Shit she got me 😂
This is brilliant acting. So well done, I feel sorry for how things turn out. Marrying Alicent was the biggest mistake ever made. Rharnyra was born to be Queen. I adore this father/daughter scenes.
It’s a truly touching moment. Someone needs an Emmy for this show! Or several!!!
@@BrettSmashy I'm so angry about the Critics Choice noms; grotesque, inexplicable snub.
Rhanyra born to be a whore alicent did nothing wrong and viserys is an asshole father to his other children
I don't think marrying Alicent was the problem. Whoever he married, any son born to them would be contenders. The problem is, Viserys never truly trained Rhaenyra to rule and extend her own influence. Worse, he never publicly heralded her as the rightful heir after Aegon was born. He was too sick and too optimistic to realize that half of Westeros won't just bow down to a woman as their ruler.
@@CA-bw9vw yes you are right on that but there is another problem and that is rhanyneras sons are bastards and bastards can't inherent anything plus viserys has his own trueborn sons that created more problem
She makes a very, a VERY good point.
If it really was about strengthening their position and if he really just wanted her happy and as heir he'd have married Laena.
But like everyone else, he gave into the notion that women come after the men. His own discomfort with the age difference mattered, hers does not. He can chose his partner based on his likings, she cannot.
On one hand he wants her to feel like she has a choice as long as she makes a good choice, but at the same time he refuses to be an example.
Marrying Alicent was his 2nd mistake. Ordering his son delivered and his wife killed was his first and biggest.
If King Viserys married Laena, than the Dance of Dragons would’ve still probably happened. If Laena had a son, you know Corlys would want his grandson to become king instead of Rhaenyra, even though Viserys named her heir beforehand. The only difference would be that the Hightowers might support Rhaenyra’s claim and be on her side, with Alicent as one of her ladies-in-waiting and the Velaryons would’ve played a part in the war. The two houses’s roles would be switched.
@@garlantyrell6368 Not if Rhaenyra marries Laenor and Laenor succeeds on impregnating her. They will still have their blood on the throne no matter what.
Laenor may have been infertile, so he probably wasn’t able to have kids with Rhaenyra gay or not.
@@garlantyrell6368 Corlys isn't the type to start a war over that. He'd retreat to Driftmark and sulk, as he always does but he wouldn't call for war over something his house has no power over.
@@NtoTheMnot really Corlys would have a massive uperhand over Rhaenyra if he fought her to put his grandson on the throne. Laena would have Vhagar, Laenor would have Seasmoke, Laena's kids with Viserys would have dragons of their own, Rhaenys would have Meleys against Rhaenyra who had Syrax and Daemon who had Caraxes and some little dragons that their kids might have. Corlys would 100% push for his grandson to be king.
Wow she doesn't even call him brother, she just calls him "Alicent Hightower's son".
Its viserys fault the war happened, he never cared for alicent children,,he disjioned the family
@@claytonbugeja1125 nah it was because the hightowers were extremely ambitious
@@raf3765 this atitude from Viserys and Rhaenyra caused the war. Otto helped create the roots but Rhaenyra and Viserys lighted all the matches for the war to start.
@@claytonbugeja1125 totally agree that the root started sprouted when Viserys marries Alicent, and Otto just grows it more
If you've never had half or step siblings you wouldn't understand. She is being replaced and swept aside. She is very aware of it and considering her mother just died she is very angry at her father for doing this even if necessary.
He kept his oath but it didn't change anything.
He is weak man and his daughter is a prostitute
Viserys never replaced rhaenyra even after having 3 sons by alicent.
Yup, people called Viserys out for being weak and letting the Dance of Dragons happen but they never blame the real people who caused it. No matter what when people brought up Aegon to be the next king, Viserys always show his inner dragon and shut them down like Jason Lannister.
@@RicePho viserys caused it😂
@Meme how? Cause he got married and had children? Cause I hope people know that the Targaryens have been known for dying off at a high rate. Viserys had over 7 aunts and uncles combined, but 2 survived. What will happen if by chance, Visery's daughter dies ? Who do you think will take the Throne then?
@@RicePho he didn’t change his heir never changed any laws for rhaenyra never prepared her never legitimized her bastards he put a target on her back while simultaneously slighting his first born son by not making him his heir
@@Meme-jo7uj Aegon isn't his first born son. Baelon was.
“you think a man will do it” 😂😂😂
Surely daemon did it.😂😂😂
@@Loki-g3kAnd Ser Harwin
Viserys was really a fool to first name Rhaenyra as his heir and theb making sons with Alicent. If you want your girl to rule, do not bring a son into this world Viserys. It's simple calculation.
It's to risky, in medieval times people died like flies. No king would have one son/daughter and bet everything on him/her because they could die easily, especially if it's a girl due to how dangerous pregnancy was.
he couldn't just be alone and have no more heirs, Rhaenyra was a woman and she could die in birth as any other man could die in a battle or even in a dragon's back, many accidents could happen.
the question is that the throne was ususped by the council, that plotted it since Aegon was born and they know what did viserys had choosen but didn't care. and sadly, rhaenyra didn't play well the game of thrones, Aegon neither, but at least Rhaenyra's sons ruled.
A house that puts family first will always defeat the house that puts the whims and wishes of its sons and daughters first
- Tywin Lannister
and look where that got him lol
@@AF-hv4yy
Just because he was cruel to his children, he hadn't raised them as such and expected more than their upbringing could provide.
Viserys I was a king. If he just hadn't paid so much attention to Rhaenyra's caprices or if he never named Otto as his hand again, things would be different. After Strong's death he should've named his brother as his Hand.
@@Stellarionas I'd argue that the way Tywin raised his children was the key to his undoing. He was blind to Cersei & Jaime's incest and the 3 bastards it produced that he ended up having to fight a massive war because of it (which in turn left House Lannister financially dependent on the Iron Bank & the Tyrells), him ignoring Cersei when she said she didn't want to marry Loras resulted in her souring the relationship w the Tyrells and led to Cersei running to the High Sparrow to solve her problems, and the way he neglected & treated Tyrion probably made it a lot easier for Tyrion to kill him when the time came.
I'm just saying Tywin didn't necessarily have a whole lot of room to talk.
Which, of course, is total BS. Rhynaera won when her line ended up as the remaining kings. Alliecent’s line died out.
@BenMedia
It's nice of us to consider things when already knowing what happens (including me) but I believe what we miss is that Viserys I could not see it that way. He loved his family and he was in general a good and decent man. Judging by his own standards he could not understand why his family members were trying to "eat" each other because he could never do it. That's why he didn't take measures. He believed that the king's command was enough for everyone and above everyone's benefits and interests.
She was so beautiful
if i was sir adam i probably handdelivered that message to daemon via raven😂
"via raven" 😂😂😂
Kinda funny how Laena only gave Daemon girls as well, imagine Viserys' face if the same had happened to him lol
We can't exactly choose what gender the baby will be. If someone has only sons or only daughters it is purely by chance.
@michellecueto1072 Actually they don't. They may give the x and y chromosomes needed to give gender, but whichever is fertilized is purely by chance. They don't have control over it anymore than women do.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirlwe will soon have control
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Actually, latest research has shown that eggs have complete control over which sperms they want to let through. If any particular sperm is undesirable, the egg can prevent it from making it through the membrane at all. This isn't based on a man's DNA. Rather, when it comes to the hundreds of millions of sperms in a single load, we can say that the egg has a type.
@thegreatjedi309 That should be common knowledge as that isn't exactly new research. I learned that in school which was almost 15 years ago. But that is still beyond the woman's control; it's just the body doing it's own thing.
“i had a family” :(
It funny the look on her face when he’s being understanding to her. She looks shocked that’s he’s agreeing with her.
Viserys said all the right things to her he truly loved his daughter and wanted the best for her
'Find one that pleases you, as I did.' Meaning he chose Aemma.
He was referring to alicent.
What is the point of all these annoying text popups? It ruins the scene.
Prob to avoid copyright infringement, it's now "commentary" vs just a clip.
@@Tellevagain there’s no point to them being pop ups. Just text appearing for a quick moment like any other captioning in a reaction video in the same style.
It’s lazy content creation and there’s no reason to not shit on it or to make excuses for it when we all watch these stupid videos anyways. Might as well point out how hack it is
If only one of them stopped being so freaking selfish and thought about the state of royal family, they would not be in this shoe. Viserys should have wed the kid, and Rhaenyra should kept her mouth shut and wed a powerful ally be content with it. There is no chance in HELL that they will be happy with a queen.
I’d argue Laenor was one of the most powerful allies Rhaenyra could have married. Better option than any of the nobody Lords we saw at her betrothal tour.
@@margarotwelv Except immaculate cocneption is, in fact, impossible.
Technically speaking, she should have been given to Daemon to shore up both claims to the throne. And Vsierys should have given her actual lessons on ruling instead of making her a laughingstock in front of men who'd one day be expected to advise and serve her competently.
Daemon was a powerful ally. They just married too late.
@santanas1879 Agreed. Viserys hesitated too much and yes it's doesn't look good but it could've avoid the succession crisis.
3:00 "Find him yourself," he said, and when Rhaenyra had chosen Daemon, he said, "NO ! There will never be such a thing !"🤣🤣🤣🤣🥲🥲🥲🥲
Note: In the books, when Daemon and Rhaenyra tried to get permission from Viserys to marry, Viserys banished Daemon and imprisoned Rhaenyra in her chamber, then forced her to choose, telling her that she would not have the crown unless she married Laenor, and Rhaenyra chose the crown. Daemon was had to respect Rhaenyra's choice, because she didn’t say "Please stay" or "Take me away".
2:32if he did that then there wouldn’t be a dance of dragons
Those stupid popups ruin the scene
Great scene. I cant decide if Alicent is fool enough to "Not Remember" Rhaenyra was just in there earlier taking to Viserys and he's heavily drugged Or, if Alicent thinks everybody is cowardly enough to forget and forgive what the King told Everybody (Rhaenyra will replace me).
No doubt she would've been a great Queen, she was born and taught to rule. Much like Queen Elizabeth II
No she wouldn't and no she wasn't.
her people hated her
What did Elizabeth do in her lifetime nje?
Queen Elizabeth was linked deeply to the Mau Mau uprising, protected her son Prince Andrew through his connections to Epstein and assault, and secretly stashed her money in Panama to avoid paying taxes to her people.
She fucked upped. Had she strived to get along with literally the only person who wanted her to be queen and played her part right, the dance of the dragons could have been averted or at least minimized. Vyseris is right if she was to be queen, she should have understood that the position comes with resposabilities she can’t just mope herself away from. Vyseris was foolish, and Rhaenyra wasn’t too far back in that regard.
Correct she is shown to be too privileged to make sacrifices like Alicent did.
Viserys should have named her regent not Alicent. He damaged his daughters claim himself
Notice Viserys swears by Aemma's memory that Rhaenera won't be supplanted, but then Rheanera swears to Alicent on her mother's memory (in front of a weirwood specifically) that she's still a maiden when that's a lie. Later, Alicent helps ultimately supplant Rhaenera. By some interpretations, Aegon supplanting Rhaenera could be considered karma since Rhaenera betrayed Aemma's memory in front of the Heart Tree.
Rhaenyra lied by omission, she was careful about saying not she was a maiden. Just that nothing happened between her and Daemon.
@@nintendomusicchannel1317 Yep. She did Bill Clinton proud.
@@sgshumblecrumb6046 Ayo it was Ser Criston Cole that was supposed to be guarding the teenage girl 🤭I can't bring myself to get on her case when he couldn't even protect her from himself.
Rhaenyra swore on her mother's memory that Daemon didn't take her virginity, which was the truth.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 it was "Daemon never touched me" that she swore, not "Daemon never fucked me"; so yes, she did lie...
All the aegon fanboys need to take a copium pill, because Aegon himself didn't want the throne and since most of y'all hate on bobby b, Aegon was basically him in Targaryen form(minus being absolute chad who ended Targaryen rule)
“The House That Puts Family First Will Always Defeat The House That Puts The Whims And Wishes Of Its Sons And Daughters First.” - Tywin Lannister.
This show and the family aspects were so well acted no love is stronger or hate deeper as that between family.
what even are those pop ups? Is this the disney nickelodeon saturday morning cartoon for kids? 😂😂😂
The added sound effects ruin the clip.
I really don't think Rhaenyra was ever truly happy even when she eventually did get the iron Throne in the book, the people sure weren't happy with her that's for sure considering they took up arms against her
Is this a deleted scene? Bc I do not remember this 😭
Rhaenyra: "You have no more use for me..."
Viserys:" Your right I"ll marry you off to Jason Lannister, name Aegon heir and prepare him to rule"
Roll credits, no war happens.
nah hahahaha aegon isn’t fit at all
@@raf3765 if Viserys had been an actual father to him and if he was taught he might have made a better ruler. And in the Dance of Dragons he was actually a lot more competent than Rhaenyra in some regards. And even if he wasn't a great king if he had been named heir there would have been no war.
@@raf3765 not really, Aegon II would have been a decent enough because he was presentable enough to the public and that's all he really has to be. He can drink and whore behind closed doors and leave the governing to more capable men like Robert Baratheon did
@@masterplokoon8803 no he wasn't stop reaching. Both weren't fit to rule in the books
@@titakaty53 at least he was out there fighting with his army on his dragon Sunfyre, he had skilled administrators in his small council. Not a good king but better than Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra was a terrible ruler who was cowardly and never rode her dragon into battle.
What’s tragic is she was supplanted in the end, and only through daeny did it basically end up how it should have. Except daeny also died without an heir. 😢
Why she didn't choose Daemon or Harwin Strong? This was her moment, why she loose the chance?
He doesn’t want her to choose daemon at all, she knows that
And i don’t think it would be politically smart to choose harwin either tbf
But lucky for her didn’t have to choose between them I guess
Wasn't Daemon still married at the time?
@@sailiealquadacil1284 Yes, but she still was into him.
@Dreamfyre what cant kings and princes have more than one wife or is it different in westeros?
"The war started because Otto planted.." No. The war started beacuse the Targaryens forget where they came from and how they conquered the land. Daemon did partly. Jaerhys understood this well and didn't hand out dragons left to right. If Viserys was serious about making Raeynerya heir he must craft the alliance with those he can trust and also scare the shit out of the rest with their dragons. WIth this "dragon only" rule it would have been MUCH easier to prusade Rahyenra to marry, with his brother and multiply, and only their true born, limited to only two heirs would in turn ride dragons. This entire idea of making deals with the Andal-houses and share their power with them set the doom for the Targaryens, in that way Viserys was to weak, blinded and to influenced by the westroisi traditions. he should never have let his other born children ride dragons. Its the source to their power. And he handed out WMDs left and right. That is not what a good ruler does in that situation if you truly care about the people in Westeros. The Targaryen fuck ups did more damage to the people than the white walkers ever did. Lol. Only needed one Arya for that. The dragon rule should always had been that one of 3 dragons along as the faith and the Andal houses was allowed to remain in power. If they wanted more Targaryens in power on dragons? They need to replace the mighty houses in wetstros to do so. In that way they could have created a new Valyria over time. But the idea was not to create a new Valyria but to stop the white walkers. The rule of 3 dragons is the most logic path to take here in means of keeping the peace and power balance.
Agreed COMPLETELY.
Jaeherys did hand out dragons 'left and right'. partly because its not in the power fo the king to control each of his house's members. The 'Queen who never was' wedded into the velaryons while retaining her dragon DURING Jaeherys's reign. Hell, almost all of his own children that reached adulthood had their own dragons and in no way did he regulate who gets which.
The only time that he did show this facet was when dragon eggs were stolen and there was a probability of them falling into the hands of non-targaryen bloodlines. And laenor naturally got a dragon through his mother as well.
Viserys can be shitted upon for a number of things but this is too much. Hell, if he had actually tried to do what you suggest, them it would kickstart a dance of dragons on a much higher scale except this time it would be the King and his heir against literally everyone else who stands to lose their power over their dragons.
@@countlitmogaphil392the reason the veleryons were allowed dragons in their family was because they were by the Targaryens side since the beginning since old Valyria they were a very trusted house jaehareys could trust them and add into the fact that rhaenys then married into that family only secured that fact and why her children were allowed dragons as well.
@@Mcherri My point is, that we dont have a precedent of a ruler ever not providing dragons to his/her brood... Its tradition and culture, something that Viserys cant really control.
Even in old Valyria dragons were flourishing and their numbers rampant. Theres really no way around it and besides, their dragonblood implies that Aegon or aemond can both claim dragons if they ever came across one. Rhaenyra cant just lock up all the dragons in the dungeons after all
Gods, those dragons riding shits were a plague. The dance of dragons was almost more of a blessing than a curse...
Firstly, YES!!! The dragons and their riders are very much a double edged sword. Secondly, Gallow Glass is one of my favorite characters from A Discovery of Witches. 👍
@BrettSmashy Odd that they named him that. Gallowglass, or Gal Gaeil if you're Irish, is a job title. It's kind of like naming a character Barista, or Plumber. 😆
The way Paddy Constantine describes it, it seems that Viserys is doing the kind of reverse of what Teddy Roosevelt did after his first wife died.
You could count with your fingers how often he publicly called Alice Roosevelt Longworth "Alice" because he did everything in his power to purge Alice Lee Roosevelt from his memory.
Viserys obsesses over Aemma and Rhaenyra at the expense of Alicent and her children.
She does not even call him brother!
cry about it
He's not her brother, he's only a half brother
@@fortheloveofcats2462 bullshit he is still her blood
@@fortheloveofcats2462 A brother from another mother is still a brother
@@topknot01 Nope, a brother from an evil stepmother is not a brother. Alicent raise her kids to hate Rheanyra.
I haven't been able to figure out what she meant when she says "You think a man will do it?"
Mustve been too young to realize she was into girls with Alicent, but didn't get the chance to explore that because Alicent got with her dad without telling her she's been seeing Viserys.
She’s asking if he thinks a man will make her happy
The other part of ur comment could explain why Alicent gets so pissy when rhaenyra is out doing what she’s doing with her uncle
Ew. Just no.
Any other fanfiction? She had already banged Criston and was all over her uncle
@@blissinchains did you seriously watch hotd and miss the clear romantic tension between childhood Rhaenyra and Alicent? Jesus christ the media literacy of some people, you don't need to repress yourself so hard that you miss entire relationships and plot points, you know?
“What would you have me do?” Stop copying of course 😏
Viserys is an embarassment. If only Aemon didn't die.
Marrying Laena Velaryon wouldve been a mistake. Politically it is sound but biologically? Not even. She'll just suffer the same fate as Aemma did a lot of stillborns and hard pregnancies. Aemma had the same problem she had been too young when she married Viserys. She was 11 iirc and looked what happened to her. Laena was only a year older than Aemma when theyre forcing Viserys to marry her.
Another way dragon riders could go extinct is BY marrying too many outsiders. Dragon rider blood gets too diluted and the dragons wouldn't accept them anymore.
@@santanas1879 That's true and that's why politically it is a good idea to marry Laena. Biologically not so much. Beside Viserys already has an heir remarrying would just messed everything up. Like what has already happened.
The Green's claim would only be "he's a boy she's a girl" if it weren't for Viserys' lack of balls and Rhaenyra's selfishness. From Aegon's POV his older sister and the heir apparent is a mega hater on him for no real reason , which is why it's so easy for Allicent to manipulate him.
I don't think Rhaenyra deserves to be queen. She thinks she's above everyone and everything, that she doesn't have to adhere to the same rules that apply to everyone else including her father. Her father was pushed to marry for the good of the realm even though he was still grieving. Alicent didn't romantically like him and he did not romantically like her either. But they both did what duty calls for. If you can't do that, you won't make a good leader and you won't have many allies. It's not all about me, me, me.
You're bogus. What you're seeing here is the vestiges of a girl who lost her mother too young and clearly is still feeling the loss heavily. "I had a family"--she was referring to how he murdered Aemma here. She's not ready for romance at this point, and why is that something to be held against her? Ah. Because poor little Alicent wasn't, either. Neither case was right; however, at least Alicent wasn't tied to a gay man who EVERYONE knew would never sleep with her, while expecting her to manage immaculate conception. Rhaenyra got that deal with laenor; a good man, a good friend but TERRIBLE husband. There's no way he'd ever be attracted to her in order to sleep with her, even if she'd had the guts to try what Margaery suggested with Renly in GoT. And she didn't. (And that's ok, too.)
I don't necessarily believe Rhaenyra was thinking me, me, me. I think she was thinking of the preservation of house Targaryen. However, it's still in a way self centered. In my opinion all of the remaining Valyrians from the time of the Doom were to focused on the preservation of thier own houses, when they should have been focused on the preservation of Valyrian culture. Ancient tomes, Valyrian ship (the greatest fleets that the got and hotd world had ever known) building methods, and Smelting Valyrian steel were all essentially lost from 95% of the world because Valyrians could not get it together enough to realize they needed to be working together and marrying within the culture