UK government unveils new extremism definition after free speech concern | BBC News
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- A new definition of extremism has been unveiled by the UK government, with Communities Secretary Michael Gove naming five groups to be assessed against it.
The new definition will apply to - but not criminalise - groups promoting an ideology based on "violence, hatred or intolerance".
But some groups and MPs have criticised the move - saying it could risk free speech or lead to unfair treatment.
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I can assume disagreeing with the government is considered extremism nowadays.
*_Elected_* government. As it said, it's not doing anything to restrict free speech.
"Free speech" isn't "paid speech".
If an idea is meritorious, you don't need to pay for it to be accepted.
@@TheDsgfdssdWhat are you talking about. Troll spew.
Mind Begs the Question:
- When Governed by Politicians
- Who justify Starvation,Death Camps,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Governed by Righteous or Satanic?
Facts, fool! Sunak was not an elected prime minister by the people. His party nominated him., and yes, he just announced he will deny the British public the rightful elections in May. In effect he is going to just squat in Downing Street. He is just a puppet for an extremist government. @@W_Bin
@@W_Binit’s not elected luckily and I personally disagree with everything they do lately!
Summary: Every one is an extremist.
Addendum....
Everyone wants to be an extremist.
Party donors are not.
@@sedzialaguna party donors are 'extremist exterminators'.
@@sedzialaguna Party donors are exterminators.
Don’t be a silly Clown
DON'T BE FOOLED. THE DOUBLE STANDARDS WILL CONTINUE - THEY'VE JUST GIVEN THEMSELVES MORE POWER TO APPLY THEM.
There should be a law against people blocking the street by praying together in groups. Why are the people who do that always of the same religion, and why are the groups always all-male?
Extremist groups have been named. Various literal supremacists and legitimate extremists. Relax. Yes it could be a slippery slope but trust that the country will not allow itself to become another North Korea, China, Iran or Russia. The push back would be far too extreme.
yet no one is listening lol!!
Exactly.
Ah, the slippery slope argument.
Let's legalise murder because they might abuse the law and put everyone in jail.
Your argument is based on an ignorant assumption that the law is applied wrong.
It works a lot better than legalising crime.
It will work the same for anything as long as justice is public, transparent and impartially applied.
Free speech is not about speech you agree with it is about the right of speech you don’t agree with
Funny how Elon Musk said that in May 2022 and in April 2023 turned around and said you can have free speech just not on my platform. 😮
Some people agree that black people arent human,do you think its ok for that view to be promoted?Definetly not imo,lock the Hate spouters up.
@@barnwobblei do think that should be allowed as black people teach their kids whites are inferior
@@barnwobblethat's hate speech, which is a legal limitation of free speech
But this isn't about free speech. Look up what it's about.
so the current government would be classed as extremist then.
Exactly.
Extremist disruption, criminality, an effort to divide people, stir up hatred.. yep, all of it sounds like the current government
Indeed, the "extreme" gas lighting defies belief. Literal pot calling the kettle black #Baffling
There'll be no enforcement but technically this definition and the bill it is to be applied to would wipe the Tory Party out of government by removing their access to the treasury.
Surprised your comment didn’t get removed.. most peoples comments are getting removed for saying just that!
New extremism definition..."If you disagree or try to stop Gov, billionaires, or their corporations, you are extremists".
💯
Add in crazed mobs, or religious zealots as well!
@@ResoundGuy5But not Marxist revolutionaries eh 😅
@@ResoundGuy5 well, clearly, farmers and truck drivers were.
And in the US, striking railroad workers are.
Woops time to be a billionaire!
Notice they don't say who will be banned by NAME, just a vague term that they can apply to ANYONE.
I smell double standards…
1:54 "He proceeded to name some of those organizations."🤔
@@DonaldLancon Yes, he does name some EXAMPLES, but the new definition itself, which is what I'm talking about, is vague enough to be cleverly applied to whatever they want. It includes wording like 'seeking to challenge, overthrow, or change our political system' and 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination'. Think how easily that can be applied to parents protesting an Ell Gee Bee Gee Tee 'Training Session' for toddlers. So you might write something about not allowing certain people into women's toilets, and technically that would be 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination'.
@@goldeneddie I get your point, but if you were talking about the definition, then why did you imply it should contain specific groups or individuals cited by name? (You can take that as a rhetorical question. Anyway, if you're interested, see my other comment here - not a reply to anyone - for my "hot take" on the definition.)
@@DonaldLancon I'll have a look for your other comments my friend. I guess I was emphasising that the less precise a definition is, the more open to abuse it is. For example, someone might write something or protest about not allowing certain people into women's toilets, and technically that would be 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination' which is now classed as 'extremism'. Like I say, I will have a look at your other comments later on. Cheers for the polite exchange as we work to follow each other's thinking. Have a good Sunday.
Good bye UK. It is over. It's like in this movie V for Vendetta
So dramatic
Good. Bye bye immigrants
Where you moving to?
@@timetraveler_0 Still having trouble knowing which island is UK or not?
@@stiofain88 UK is the big island near the English Channel and france next to the Big island is Ireland a smaller island
I won't tolerate murder, therefore, I ought to be censored or prosecuted under this new law....
It does say it's not a law just a definition. It only means you can be labeled as extremist but i understand what you mean they have defined most governments justice system in this definition from what i can tell
Yes! Those Palestinians, the terror group Hamas, who have enslaved their own people because of their murderous politics in another country.
No. Because your ideology is based on anti-violence. Don't be silly.
@@Eddygeek18and that's exactly how you change the laws. By changing the meaning of words
My account has been deleted twice and the only thing I’ve done is talk about my own experiences with people that’s how dark the government is their censoring peoples life experiences and if you don’t have actual evidence of it, no one will believe you it’s disgusting.
And I’m supposed to care about other people suffering
The word "extremism" can be open to interpretation, relying on the current government to define it can lead to scary results.
Recent examples of who the government classes as 'extremists':
- people praying silently 'near' an abortion clinic.
- parents refusing to chemically castrate their kids on the basis of a childish identity.
- people calling for peace.
- people refusing to allow 'non-biological females' into toilets with little girls and women.
- people who added the word 'white' to the slogan about lives that matter.
- taxi drivers sporting a Union Jack in their cab.
- people demanding police action to tackle certain gangs in Rochdale.
- nurses and doctors who, on the basis of already being immune, did not want the vax.
- people asking for restrictions of illegal immigration into the UK.
Need I go on?
If u block roads, threaten people that go into a business just cuz u wanna boyycot it, create noise when ppl are trying to sleep - u are an extremist.
They'll always have an interpretation and this one sounds rather balanced.
@@LightHearted-b8k No learn to read, I'm saying they will always have a definition of extremism and personally I think this one is pretty balanced. There is no free reign, there never has been. This is a country with laws, what is disconcerting is thinking you can get away with supporting terrorists and such.
Rishi Sunak's wealth could be said to be extreme.
What a dangerous legislation from an unelected government. I hope this will be challenged in Courts.
They were elected, by quite a large margin in May 2010. 🤔
can only be callenged in court if you are v wealthy😢
Of course Michael Gove is responsible for this
Utterly disgusting behaviour by the government
🤦🏻♂️
Love how the BBC skipped over the 'Muslim' groups at break neck speed and straight to the 'faaaar right' 😂
Yeah, I saw that. Classic Beeb duplicity.
👍Spot on!
Muslims are good, generous people
The BBC is far better than anything Murdoch produces.
Except fpr the Terrorists.@@scentsoftravelmeditation
extremism is saying ''israel stop apartheid'
Mind Begs the Question:
- When Governed by Politicians
- Who defend Starvation,Death Camps,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Governed by Righteous or Satanic?
Unfortunately the protests, despite containing many well meaning people, include a lot of Hamas doctrine speeches, and chants for a Jewish genocide or mass migration ("river to the sea" etc). I don't think this is what most protesters support, but unfortunately that's the banner they are naively behind.
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings - er ...satanic ?
Israel disgusts me killing 30,000 unarmed people I can't stand jews anymore
@@elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen Who brought Santa into this?
If I call a man a man who is dressed as a woman am I beig extreme? Or simply telling the truth?
It makes you a throwback Darwin award winner.
The fifth word in your comment makes it unnecessary to give you an answer, since you provided it in your question.
(EDIT: Or I guess it's the seventh word? The grammar is a bit ambiguous. Whichever of those was supposed to be what you would probably refer to as the person's "real gender". This is essentially an example of question begging.)
The new definition itself is vague enough to be cleverly applied to whatever they want. It includes wording like 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination'. So yes, under this definition, you would be classed as an 'extremist', which is the real reason behind this Trojan horse.
What does 'dressed as a woman' mean? Go up to the north of Scotland and say that. Should women not wear jeans? Sounds like your standard is how it was in a very small part of the planet in the 1950's?
it is a fact that human beings come as binary ...male or female..
if men ,transvestites ....want to indulge their sexual fetish in public ...worm their way into all our public services and govt.
invade and bully women to shove over and call them she /her
intimidate and threaten those who do not buy into the cult of trans ,
and demand that we all validate their delusion by claiming that simply feeling like a woman makes it true ....
then im an extremist or hate speaker ? for saying the emperors bare butt naked ,or if truth be told a cock in a frock ,bad wig and creepy as .
By that definition of extremism i would say the government is guilty of it.
vote green, or ANYONE else but Labour or the conservative, we need change urgently. This gov is only interested in money going into their pockets, war, and poverty!
also don't vote reform uk.
Without a reformed system, voting green is a wasted vote. Regrettably
voting for Lab/or Con is also a wasted vote@@Age2003
Not green, even more woke and globalist than the two main socialist parties
@@TeeShepVids💯
Rishi Sunak. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.
Alan Moore was right when he wrote "V for Vendetta" and imagin.Moore was initially inspired by the uneasy feelings he had about the Thatcher regime in the UK in the 80s
If I Call Rishi NOT MY PM, consider as extremism?
BBC...why pro-Palestinian demonstration video's and not pro-Israel videos? This shows who they are targeting deep down
Because the pro-palestinian protests were much larger, and had plenty of pro terrorism and pro genocide chanting. The pro Israeli ones didn't have either, though I think the minimal turn out is likely due to the worry that a proportion of the pro Palestine crowd are likely not against hurting them, and I could understand why Jewish people might be wary of crowds chanting for their death or mass migration, it wasn't that long ago where chants exciting that resulted in millions of them being quite brutally killed.
So that's Zionism done for then...surely...
Hah, their definition fits it perfectly.
This was made by the zionazi team for the zionazi team they are always given the exception
@@wawaweewa9159 Wtf is zionazi? You're back to inventing words? That's so dumb
This is why the UK needs a "first amendment" type of freedom of speech law....
With anything, they will always say BUT
Never worked in US but somehow will in UK.
You have only rights you (_you_) can enforce.
Free Speech under attack reminds me of the National Socialist Party in Germany during the Hitler years.
Friends of Israel fits in with that definition.
Get stuffed little rishi.
Realest comment on here
1984
My cat is called extremist for protesting
Your cat is protesting? Are you abusing your cat?
That’s it people we now live in a F’cist state where “intolerance” can be used to ruin anyone’s life.
Enter the Thought Police🚨
How about : "Extreme Hypocrisy", "Extreme Cowardice" would they fall into the definition? How about "supporting Gencide" ? would that be considered "Extreme"? What a world we live in, Criminals judging innocent people!!
Were being censored with our comments and what we can say for ages incase we upset anyone it's ridiculous sick of it
Have your fun, just remember... we know where you live.
Such and incredibly broad and vague definition of “extremism”. Practically anyone and anything can be one. Grateful I live in a nation where freedom of speech and assembly is a guaranteed right.
This is what happens when people are constantly protesting and blocking everyday life for people who are not apart of there cause. We want to sit here and blame each other but when a group of people are hell bent on forcing everyone else to submit or join there cause it’s hard to not get this kind of responses from government. It’s honestly overreach in my opinion but hey actions have consequences.
Yup
All the government had to do was listen, it's been 4 months. It's a protest. It's not meant to be invisible. It's supposed to be seen as much as possible so the government pays more attention to the cause. What you're saying is very loose as well. Someone could apply that to even changing a profile picture on social media.
@@ThegreatHera420you mean like how the whole world changed there profile pictures to the Ukrainian flag to show support and solidarity? I think that caused a lot of attention for there cause, hell they managed to get billions from the UK, EU, and America. I think the way people are protesting is pissing more people off than drawing more people to the cause. Historically that’s how the cause was was shown to the masses, it just doesn’t fly the same in 2024. It doesn’t particularly make it effective strategy anymore. 🤷 but keep on, keeping on see where it gets you…..oh wait they want to right new laws because of it. The hand was obviously overplayed. I’m a strategist, I saw this coming.
The UK needs to protect its people not TERRORIST.
Well, at least neo-nazis have been noted... So, idea is to protect its people.
Of course, the government's main priority must be its people NOT ISRAEL! They have their government, they are carrying out a genocide against Palestinian children right now, and we should not support them in this terrorist action!
@@jaanikaapa6925 A tiny group, whilst allowing pro-Hamas, pro-Houthi marches.
@@DavidZ4-gg3dm Bull.
@@DavidZ4-gg3dm remember guys calling for a ceasefire and ending the killing of women and children = extremism
What a joke 😂
Meanwhile there is a School Teacher in Batley still in hiding because of threats to his life.
Think for yourself and bam you're an extremist.
Yes, BBC, you have stopped showing balance in your reporting.
Everyone have free speech just like everyone else, so long as it doesn't promote "violence" OR "anti-free speech" to another group.
And who decides what is considered promoting violence and stopping other peolles free speech
Very sad we cant have a opinion now,
You can. We just prefer you not sharing it. 😀
Hahahahaha wtf? How scared must they be to do that? About to lose control much?
To stop protests against the government more like
Their new definition certainly reads that way.
The idea of a government deciding what words mean is asinine
1984 anyone??
Before defining extremism the government really should of looked at it's own systems to make sure it doesn't fall under their new definition, I advice sunak to take a close look at the new definition and compare
First they go for them and then they come for you
Ridiculous.
Extremist politicians define extremism.
Its people’s time, not notorious politicians time.
We all know genocide happening in 4k in our very eyes. And extremist politicians complicit in genocide.
Stop this nonsense.
why does the uk have a fascist prime minister no=one voted for ?
Welcome to 1984
Those are tricky waters to navigate because intolerance is fostered by many a religion.
CALLING FOR A CEASEFIRE IS THE OPPOSITE OF EXTREMISM!!
This is how Orwell predicted it would work, where words would be defined as their opposite:
"War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength".
We need a Patriotic Alternative ❤
Just look at israeli ministers speeches ... you are still supporting them...then accusing people of being extremists...shame!!!!
If you want REAL community cohesion - go on the Free Palestine march!
So basically, they don’t want you to think freely
Orwellian times
British propaganda corporation 📣
I wonder who Rishi, I wonder who started it. Democracy is fading lads, the people are the last hope
Extremism = free Palestine
Not extremism = free Ukraine
Shame of this country’s leadership
Agree with the elite or you're an extremist..... happened in Canada about a month ago, I wondered how long it would take to reach here.
I consider this government to be extreme in their incompetence (and the opposition btw).
This is a Trojan Horse, a way of sneaking in a definition that is vague enough to be cleverly applied to whatever they want. You might write something about not allowing certain people into women's toilets, and technically that would be 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination'.
Gove - "Sponsor/subsidise or support in anyway organisations/individuals opposed to the freedoms we hold dear". Yet you send weapons and gladly allow Saudi business into our country and they oppose many freedoms that we "hold dear".
So will this be enforced on pro Palestine river to sea chanters?
No. Because standing up for the basic human right to life is not an extremist point of view 🤷
Of course not. Khan's racist mates are above the law.
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts
Are you kidding? Wow you are brainwashed and should really educate yourself, PROPERLY. they are the killer of human an women’s right. They are calling for the genocide of entire group of people. Stay off the internet and read a book.
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts I define it as extremism, so whonis right, me or you?
@@Cruzeoc101will it be extreme when it happens to your kidzzz?
Absulutely ridiccilous. Supporting genocide is not extremism?
No, they're saying supporting genocide IS extremism, which is why I imagine this is aimed at some sections of the protest that was pro Hamas as opposed to pro civilians.
You must be bit confused. IDF is most certainly not pro-civilians. Freedom fighters on the other hand fight to free the civilians under the occupation of apartheid-regime. If supporting genocide is extremism and therefor illegal UK goverment should be first in trial.
@@RRR-vi3hs by "pro civilians" I was stating that some people protesting for Palestine were simply protesting for a ceasefire due to civilian deaths occurring. Whereas pro Hamas supporters were calling for the death of all Jewish people. The Hamas "freedom fighters" and their doctrine/position regarding Israel is the reason Palestine was shut in like a prison camp by Israel AND their Arab neighbour Jordan. It's not just Israel that hasn't been able to coexist with Palestine but most neighbouring Arab countries too.
You clearly don't know the history of palestinians and Hamas if you're pro Hamas. At the start of WW2 the Nazi's were supported by several regions which include Russia, Italy, and Palestine, though Russia is one of the only countries that fought as an ally alongside the Nazi's. However, when the Nazi's lost, Palestine did not change it's position on the "jewish question". Palestine was ruled by the ottoman empire for over 400 years, but by the end of WW2 it came to the British empire to resolve the region, due to the horrors of what had happened to the Jewish people, Britain portioned out part of this ex-ottoman empire region for a Jewish homeland, as it was one of the few places that the Jewish people had an original history. As the Palestinians were essentially just a weak force of Nazi's, they immediately attacked and attempted to murder all the Jews. They have since been supported by Iran and Russia (friends of there's with similar interests), and have continued attacking and killing Jewish civilians particularly when Israel offers them a separate state (because Palestinians don't believe a separate state is enough, and that Israel needs to not exist). This has resulted in Israel having to create a significant defensive wall between them and the Palestinians. The violence of the Palestinians didn't stop with Israel, which is why Jordan also had to build their own defensive wall against Palestinians, resulting in what looks like a Palestinian prison camp, despite it essentially being of their own creation.
social justice is quickly attainable, no one is protesting . just like anti-slavery, labour rights, movements in the past.
Who is deciding bigger Israel sporter why this government leaves for next government after 6, weeks elections let's public decides
They need to define this since it's obvious, this is not making us more divided as a country, this was Parliament law, and the ones saying that it divides us are the two-faced people who have the other opinion holding against the value given.
Did it really need to be redefined though?
Noone cares, noone will be bothered to. This kind of thing involves civil obedience, that's the redefinition as one.
They defined it and it is against division caused by extremism. By permitting it the division grows.
You just can't say anything about The Jew.
This is the UK not North Korea, Russia we can say whatever we want.....
Really? Tell Putin he's gay?
Go try hold up a blank piece of paper around a monument or something see how long till you find yourself behind bars.
Try reading the bible aloud at Speakers Corner these days.
Why are you talking about someone trying to stop something. That isnt inciting. The protestors saying that war should continue, are inciting violence.
They are not inciting hatred of jews by saying no more people from both side should die, saying that one side should die for your protection is incitement.
.... but i can see this bring used disproportionately on one side over the other, and its not the side asking for war to continue.
I know a lot of people protesting meant what you say, but a lot also used the moment to make it look like a pro Hamas rally, including using chants from their doctrine like "from the river to the sea", which calls for the death or mass migration of the Jewish people. So you can understand laws to curtail speech that promoted that kind of message.
No body care what so called prime minister say, as long they still supporting Israel.
These definitions and the politicians that have derived them embody the definitions themselves. For example "...negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others..."
So if Sadiq Khan keeps his views up his sleeve he is ok? And no one is allowed to question him out into the open?
What are his views?
he believes in "keep shtum and you are ok" which ends up a Muslim secret cabbala @@mistermood4164
Islamophobia is not a word that should be used, muslimophobia or just xenophobia
RISHIE SUNAK is making UK India
So if I eat too much mcdonalds am I abit extreme
_Hello from Uzbekistan🇺🇿🇺🇿🇺🇿_
_Free GAZA🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸_
Does anyone believe this BS ?
It's a Trojan Horse, a way of sneaking in a definition that will screw us all. The new definition itself is vague enough to be cleverly applied to whatever they want. It includes wording like 'seeking to challenge, overthrow, or change our political system' and 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination'. Think how easily that can be applied to parents protesting an Ell Gee Bee Gee Tee 'Training Session' for toddlers. Or you might write something about not allowing certain people into women's toilets, and technically that would be 'Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination'.
What I don't get is why do we keep voting Labour/torys 🤔
A strong mix of widely different cultures, religions and ways of life naturally creates fertile ground for extremism - and a UK society without common values and cohesion. A society in disintegration.
Free palestina 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Terriorist
As a Muslim illegal immigrant in UK, this offends me
So funny...
You've outed yourself then? Don't mind Catholic illegal immigrants? Athiests? Even Michael Gove is concerned about people like you! Maybe watch the report before posting?
🤣😂
Then please go back to where you came from, if you do not like it you do not have to live with it, bye !
@@houseplant1016learn to appreciate variety. Even rainbows know variety
That definition of 'extremism' really fits on Israel, good for you Britain 👍😇🫒 stop the extremism
I just elected my middle finger 😂
Don't worry united kingdom is going to be a islamic country as muslim are more stronger in this country
The government and Tory party should be at the top of the list Gove is going to publish. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free from Hamas!
Does that include the Tories then? Considering they've taken away freedom of movement, freedom of assembly and many wish to take us out of the ECHR. taking away our rights sounds pretty extremist to me.
When democracy is at uts Best, it's time to change what words mean
This guy has a lot of big ideas for an emotional support service
The republican party in the US meets this definition.
😂 🤡
Funny to see that extremism refers most of the time to former British empire.
Is being republican and against monarchy is now extremism in England ?
It's exstream in all parts of the UK
Complaining current standards to yesterdays reality.
Very intelligent. 🤭
@@Aloh-od3ef tackling the man and not the point is less intelligent it shows a feeblness or lack of conviction.
far right extremist? i thought he was a guy who was been evicted from his home to make way for foreigners.
When did the UK get its own Govt ???
Some in the Conservative Party should be on that list!
Basically, you can't criticize Israel
HILARIOUS that an extremist is defining extremism!!!!!
You cant block roads, shame people who just want to buy a damb coffee from starbucks or just create havok for any reason (war,oil,lgbt,blm).
An ideology based on intolerance. So I feel intolerant to what I see happening to this beautiful country and I want her to raise again to protect its citizens like it was doing for the last two centuries.
So I am extremist..
Are you the media , feel shame supporting these, or even broadcasting it..
No police allowed
😂😂 how muslim organisations are worried about new definition of “extremism “ … not any hindu/budhist/or Christian organisation ??