I have had around 200 vint blacks in the last 4 years. In that time I've sorted out all the gritty scratchy ones and I have around 97 very smooth vint blacks that I am never going to give away because it took me so long to get a hold of them. I've tried other linears in the last 4 years as well, but I still prefer the sound of my vint blacks over anything else. I think they are worth it if you can deal with sorting through the bad ones, but it's definitely a lot easier to find good linears now. I really like black inks as well.
Thank you for explaining the history of the switch! I was confusing about the "retooled" term before watching this video. I saw that the hyperglide is applied on black, red, brown and sliver but why there is only videos about the black on youtube?
At least for me, the blacks were the only ones in stock! I also think probably because vint blacks are the most sought-after of the cherry Mx switches, so it lends itself the best to comparison?
No problem! Another affordable option is to spring swap the blacks! I recommend Sprit springs progressive 63.5g, a bag of them is less than $10 and they feel really great!
Would love to see this revisited with the new Cherry MX2A black switches!
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I have vintage MX Blacks from 1995, from a very used board. Cleaned in a Ultrasonic cleaner and generously lubed with 205g0. I wonder how do they compare to Hyperglides?
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From the sound of it in this video...vintage Blacks sound better.
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Also, I have maybe around 150 of Vintage MX Blacks for sale? Are they still sought after? I mean there are so many new Linears coming out I thought that the Vintage MX Blacks are thing of the past?
i thought retooled were the much smoother ones that started coming out around 2017? and the scratchy ones were just a result of the original mx black tooling falling into disrepair
Hi, thanks for the comment and forgive me for my late reply! You are absolutely right in that "retooled" blacks are generally first believed to have come up in the switch discussion/universe around 2017!
Simply put: I strongly believe that if you're nostalgic, or if you have never tried VB and all the fuss people make about VB makes you curious, you should spend, at least once, your money to have (a) board(s) equipped with VB. If you're critical about the performance, having tried blind tests and different builds, VB is not worth at all and Hyperglide is the overall better choice.
There are at least 3 kinds of vints if i'm not wrong. Gen 1 and 2 you have to look at the texture of the housing to differentiate. Gen 3 has a bigger Cherry word.
I think at the time I made that video I was definitely more heavy handed with my compression settings! I can try to update some of my older vids typing tests, maybe as shorts?
really it is used vints that are the good ones. the ones that had all the years of use to break in. NOS while better than retooled are nowhere near as good as the ones that have been broken in and properly cleaned.
Yep. The broken in factor makes a huge difference. I've seen some people mess this up by mass cleaning the used vint blacks and mixing up the parts and when you mismatch the stem and housing that have been grooved together over time it leads to every scratchy or gritty feeling.
This setup isn't good to underline the difference between the switches. The carpet and the microphone setup completely mute the sound of the switches, each difference gets canceled.
Are those keycaps doubleshot? This is random but during the sound tests there was a sound i was unfamiliar with and ive deducted the culprit the be thin keycaps. Sorry for the randomness just curious. Great video either way man.
Haha to be honest I’m really not sure! They are the stock XDA(I think?) keycaps that came with the kumo keyboard kit. They are definitely pretty thin… I’ve been thinking maybe I should use some GMK Or PBT keycaps for my sound tests for easier comparison to what’s most popular!
The board in the video and in several others is the Thevankeyboards kumo (same as the TKC minivan) ! But I wouldn’t recommend because of the LED orientation :/ unfortunately the only staggered 40s that I know of that have south facing LED are pretty rare/niche and stupid expensive :/
Ice never used h1s myself but I think a major improvement based on theremingoats review I just read of them, filmed hyperglides are pretty quiet and thoccc. Not quite as much as the vints but they are definitely not bad. Based on the written review, the H1 sounds like most other JWK switches and I’ve never been impressed with their sound as much as their feel (they always feel very smooth).
Haha I have later vids where I’m using GMK keycaps on the board. The problem is you do need that 2u backspace support and most sets just don’t have it unless they made an obscure kit. One set I found that’s relatively in stock is GMK laser on drop!
@@MakerMods awesome, thanks. I'm going to try to get the Vint blacks but going to test the Hyperglides first. Just got the Haus keyboard and going to try something new to me and I loved how you tested the weight.
Dude congrats on the W!!!! That’s a beautiful board. Something I haven’t tried yet but really want to is using diamond lapping compound on some hyperglides. I have the compound, just not the cojones. HA!
@@MakerMods hahaha give it a try buddy and thanks. I'm really surprised that I won a Haus because I've been following it for a while and just now trying to figure out what switches to use. I've only used Gat milky yellows, Gat Ink Black V2'S, Tangies, Roselios (super mushy) and just recently got Boba U4T switches and I love them. So now I have to hunt down switches and keycaps for the silver Haus. 🙃
The history of the switch was very interesting. Well done!
Thank you so much for the feedback!!
Excellent review. I love the force testing especially. No one ever does that as accurately as you did.
Thanks so much!
Really good video, i was really surprised when i saw your subcount - i felt like i was watching a channel with thousand times more subs, GJ!
Thanks so much!!! And thanks for coming along for the ride/grind to 100k :P
Love the lil history lesson you've included at the beginning of the video!
Thanks so much!!!
Was looking for a review on these, and this was one of the first videos you just got a new sub you MORE than deserve it
Thanks so much!! :D
the moment that we were all waiting for
thumbs up for your scientific method of testing the switches, haha. great video! can't wait to try out the hyperglide blacks
Thank you so much! They are honestly pretty awesome!
i was blown away when he said theyre unlubed and unfilmed because the vint blacks sounded hella awesome
exactly much better than the hyperglide blacks
I have a video coming where I build with lubed/filmed vint blacks for a sound comparison with the lubed/filmed hyperglides! Stay th Ed!
@@MakerMods when you're gonna do that, can you compare them to unmodded vints?
You got it!
holy shit dude you've come a long way. this video's still good but your current style is great
I have had around 200 vint blacks in the last 4 years. In that time I've sorted out all the gritty scratchy ones and I have around 97 very smooth vint blacks that I am never going to give away because it took me so long to get a hold of them.
I've tried other linears in the last 4 years as well, but I still prefer the sound of my vint blacks over anything else. I think they are worth it if you can deal with sorting through the bad ones, but it's definitely a lot easier to find good linears now. I really like black inks as well.
I feel you, “true” vints like you describe are truly one (or some) of a kind.
Thank you for explaining the history of the switch! I was confusing about the "retooled" term before watching this video.
I saw that the hyperglide is applied on black, red, brown and sliver but why there is only videos about the black on youtube?
At least for me, the blacks were the only ones in stock! I also think probably because vint blacks are the most sought-after of the cherry Mx switches, so it lends itself the best to comparison?
@@MakerMods Ok I see, Thank you :)
The blacks is too heavy for me so I am considering to have reds or silent reds, I guess I will wait a bit more.
No problem! Another affordable option is to spring swap the blacks! I recommend Sprit springs progressive 63.5g, a bag of them is less than $10 and they feel really great!
@@MakerMods Thank you! I will definitely check it out later!
Would love to see this revisited with the new Cherry MX2A black switches!
I have vintage MX Blacks from 1995, from a very used board. Cleaned in a Ultrasonic cleaner and generously lubed with 205g0.
I wonder how do they compare to Hyperglides?
From the sound of it in this video...vintage Blacks sound better.
Also, I have maybe around 150 of Vintage MX Blacks for sale? Are they still sought after? I mean there are so many new Linears coming out I thought that the Vintage MX Blacks are thing of the past?
@ vintage blacks are things people admire (sry this is a bit late) so ye theres quite a lot of demand
Nice review. I loved the history part of it. Would have been nice to see lubed/filmed comparison as well.
Thanks! I have a lived/filmed comparison in another video!
8:49 KEK 60g on the MONEY... I see what you did there
Would it matter if the stems and housings of the vintage mx black switches were swapped, but were also diamond polished and ultrasonically cleaned?
i thought retooled were the much smoother ones that started coming out around 2017? and the scratchy ones were just a result of the original mx black tooling falling into disrepair
Hi, thanks for the comment and forgive me for my late reply! You are absolutely right in that "retooled" blacks are generally first believed to have come up in the switch discussion/universe around 2017!
Simply put: I strongly believe that if you're nostalgic, or if you have never tried VB and all the fuss people make about VB makes you curious, you should spend, at least once, your money to have (a) board(s) equipped with VB. If you're critical about the performance, having tried blind tests and different builds, VB is not worth at all and Hyperglide is the overall better choice.
There are at least 3 kinds of vints if i'm not wrong. Gen 1 and 2 you have to look at the texture of the housing to differentiate. Gen 3 has a bigger Cherry word.
Could you tell me the parts list of your 40% it looks really cool!
It's just a stock Minivan Kumo. Old GB, though you would likely find one fairly quickly on mechmarket (reddit).
Yeah it’s a thevankeyboards (really sad to see him get out of the keyboard gang) kumo!
You should probably use keycaps from the same row for testing switches. Using different keycap heights will result in a different sound
Absolutely! I tried using XDA keycaps which are a flat profile in my tests!
@@MakerMods Oh I never noticed!
I have a mint transparent mx-white from 1986 here ... xD not so far off the first ones.
Why did you compare with 2 different rowed keycaps
XDA* caps don't have different row profiles
He's using XDA keycaps, they have a uniform profile across all rows
thanks
The sound demo sounded really compressed, i’m not sure if it’s the board or the mic?
I think at the time I made that video I was definitely more heavy handed with my compression settings! I can try to update some of my older vids typing tests, maybe as shorts?
@@MakerMods I think they would make great shorts! I'm all up for it.
I love that little 40 percent board? Do you know where I could get one?
It's a thevankeyboards Kumo, you can only get it second hand now
Yes! I did find a new 40 in group buy stage! I’m not affiliated just thought it looked pretty cool
panc.co/store/ols/products/panc40-keyboard
The new ones are actually more THOCK
I think the vints do sound a bit deeper, but YMMV!
really it is used vints that are the good ones. the ones that had all the years of use to break in. NOS while better than retooled are nowhere near as good as the ones that have been broken in and properly cleaned.
Yep. The broken in factor makes a huge difference. I've seen some people mess this up by mass cleaning the used vint blacks and mixing up the parts and when you mismatch the stem and housing that have been grooved together over time it leads to every scratchy or gritty feeling.
Where do u buy the Vint Black ?? Did the Vint Black is Smooth then HyperGlide Black ??
Vint blacks you can find on elboard.store sometimes but they’re definitely getting more rare. Aftermarket probably your best bet.
This setup isn't good to underline the difference between the switches. The carpet and the microphone setup completely mute the sound of the switches, each difference gets canceled.
Are those keycaps doubleshot? This is random but during the sound tests there was a sound i was unfamiliar with and ive deducted the culprit the be thin keycaps. Sorry for the randomness just curious. Great video either way man.
Haha to be honest I’m really not sure! They are the stock XDA(I think?) keycaps that came with the kumo keyboard kit. They are definitely pretty thin… I’ve been thinking maybe I should use some GMK Or PBT keycaps for my sound tests for easier comparison to what’s most popular!
Great video btw. Also, what board are you using? Tryna find a custom 40% with a staggered layout and this looks good.
The board in the video and in several others is the Thevankeyboards kumo (same as the TKC minivan) ! But I wouldn’t recommend because of the LED orientation :/ unfortunately the only staggered 40s that I know of that have south facing LED are pretty rare/niche and stupid expensive :/
@@MakerMods Thanks mate. Nah, I'm just tryna find a board suitable for binging to class so anything will really do. Thanks for the reply though!
How do the hyperglides compare to say gat inks?
I don’t have Gat inks to compare but I’ll try to get my hands on some!!
Maker Mods okay thanks, would be good if you could do a comparison of lubed hyperglides vs vintage
Have that in the works!!! Gotta say filmed hyperglides are pretty SWEET.
is there any good budget 40 percents I want to try the layout but I don't want to spend like too much on something I don't like
I think depending on your budget you’d be best off looking for a minivan in the aftermarket!
Would you recommend the hyperglides are h1s
Ice never used h1s myself but I think a major improvement based on theremingoats review I just read of them, filmed hyperglides are pretty quiet and thoccc. Not quite as much as the vints but they are definitely not bad. Based on the written review, the H1 sounds like most other JWK switches and I’ve never been impressed with their sound as much as their feel (they always feel very smooth).
Can I ask about your keyboard? I really love and am searching for a nice 40% layout keyboard.
It’s the TheVanKeyboards Kumo!
Lets talk abt smoothness
(Talks abt lightness)
Haha, sorry about that! I’ve been reviewing all my review videos to see where I can improve and I really appreciate the feedback!
What keyboard is that
how does the gateron ks3 black compare to these 2 switch?
KS3 blacks I’ve never used but KS3 yellows are very nice. To me cherry has a deeper poppy sound !
You look like a 100k sub channel ngl
No way! Thanks so much for the support!!! Hopefully one day we’ll get there!!
what is the name of the 45 keys keyboard shown in this video?
It’s the kumo by TheVanKeyboards! Check out the minivan by TKC, same thing different case!
@@MakerMods Big thanks and merry Christmas! I wonder if any cherry profile keycaps suit it since it have a 2u backspace
Haha I have later vids where I’m using GMK keycaps on the board. The problem is you do need that 2u backspace support and most sets just don’t have it unless they made an obscure kit. One set I found that’s relatively in stock is GMK laser on drop!
@@MakerMods but they only have 1.75u backspace
@@alexfong1 I had to buy an add on kit :/ it’s going to be very difficult to find a base kit with a 2u backspace!
This was a great video! Strange question but do you know where I can get the same scale you have?
The scale is an acaia lunar coffee scale!
@@MakerMods awesome, thanks. I'm going to try to get the Vint blacks but going to test the Hyperglides first. Just got the Haus keyboard and going to try something new to me and I loved how you tested the weight.
Dude congrats on the W!!!! That’s a beautiful board. Something I haven’t tried yet but really want to is using diamond lapping compound on some hyperglides. I have the compound, just not the cojones. HA!
@@MakerMods hahaha give it a try buddy and thanks. I'm really surprised that I won a Haus because I've been following it for a while and just now trying to figure out what switches to use. I've only used Gat milky yellows, Gat Ink Black V2'S, Tangies, Roselios (super mushy) and just recently got Boba U4T switches and I love them. So now I have to hunt down switches and keycaps for the silver Haus. 🙃
Would u say the same applies to browns?
Haha what do you mean?
@@MakerMods oh Vintage browns vs hyperglide cherry browns
What keeb is that?
Is it going to be on stock later? Or just one group buy?
I ordered them non group buy from a place in the UK!
Cool vid
Can u link the hyper glides plz
Sorry for the late reply! I googled it and they are currently for sale in stock at cannonkeys!
cannonkeys.com/products/cherry-mx-switches
haha smol keyboard 0:14
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i see what you did there
*shivers* 40 precents
use lights when recording videos
I got my NOS Vintage Blacks for 130$