It's a pet peeve of mine as well. I have to stretch and straighten up my cable when they come folded like that. My favorite mouse the Glorious gaming mouse is notorious for this and annoy the crap out of me.
TaeKeyboards are you able to review the Keychron K6 I mean yes it is similar to the K2 but without the extra function row, however, they do have hot-swappable PCB now with Gateron or LK optical in the tactile brown form which I find unique and linear red and clicky blue as well so maybe a chance to get your optical fix? Thanks so much for your reviews really great and good opinions.
I would love to see a video series of you taking these cheaper keyboards with small issues and mod them to make them higher quality. Like clipping stems, lubing switches, or fixing weird squeaks.
I have the aluminum K4 with yellow gaterons too, and it's been great to me. Thank god my spacebar doesn't sound like that. Matter of fact, my spacebar feels amazing. I went with this board because it's backlit, wireless, 96% and available/affordable to buy in EU. I was unaware it was hyped.
I'm gonna hear that spacebar in my nightmares tonight. You should do a video on the Dierya DK61. 60% board that uses gateron opticals for 50$. Gateron optical reds feel surprisingly good.
I’ve had this keyboard for 6 months now, no squeaking on the spacebar. Maybe just needs to be broken in. Some of my most used keys such as control and shift have a tiny bit of friction and may need to be lubed every half year. So far very happy!
Good Review! I ordered one with Alu and Optical Reds (currently on hold still at customs 3 days now lol) I bought this because i'm going full wireless on my set up. And a KB is all i'm missing. I got this because i needed that numpad for my work most of the time, and i wanted something compact, importantly the optical switches when i'm gaming. However, i have still have yet to try this, i'm hoping for a good experience. Your review about the K2 is what lead me to buy their Walnut Palm Rest. So thank you! :) There aren't many choices for wireless with optical switches and numpad. So i have to get these, until a better one comes out i guess. Plus i think it's pretty cheap for $128.15 all in with the palm rest and shipping. It's cheaper than my mouse. SMH.
I have the optical version of this keyboard, with the blue version of the switches, and while I do find them noticeably more responsive than typical contact-based switches (even friends not into keyboards can notice a difference), I found them too light for me personally and went back to my Kira after a week. I do like how smooth they feel tho, they just... glide down upon the keypress with minimal friction. It's oddly satisfying.
@@alanlopezr.7104 These may not be problems for other people, but for me, I had these issues: Case bezel had a sharp ledge, so when I would mindlessly move my hand back over my keyboard from using the mouse, at one point I cut my hand on it. (Not a problem on the aluminum frame I presume because it's a different shape) The location of the LED button is .... problematic - most other SFF keyboards put the delete keyboard in the most accessible position, but keychron puts the LED button there. I also had wonky key registration issues on wired. I would understand on wireless and excuse it, because wireless, but while plugged in and in wired-mode, the keyboard would just sometimes not register keystrokes. And while this is a minor issue and is easily/cheaply fixed; the stock keycaps are very thin, feel flimsy and loud.
I still think I'm going to end up buying this because the 96 layout is just perfect for me and I just can't find another 96 out there that isn't insanely expensive or doesn't require me to buy a soldering station (making it just as expensive for me as a pre built)
mine is great, though you do have to get used to the height. it's not the most solid sounding given the keycaps and the plastic construction, but at least stabs come pre-lubed 🙌
i'm a k2 owner and as a mac user I think it's the best option as far as bluetooth switching btwn devices, plug and play out of the box, and having the mac specific keys. The height and OEM keycaps are a problem for sure, but they are releasing PBT cherry keycaps for the k2 soon. I soldered Zealios v2 and I'm really loving this keyboard more now. I was about to rip my hair out using this with Gateron Reds.
@@TaeKeyboards It's hard out here for us Mac users! Oh, I think one thing to note, which I learned from zealpc, is that the PCB apparently uses an "older" style of LED mount where its on the switch side, and not an 'underglow'. This was one issue I had when soldering the new switches, basically they sit on top of the LEDs
I had no idea people cared about keyboards so much lol. I only started looking into mechanical ones because I randomly started pushing some of them at jb hifi. I immediately thought it was satisfying and wanted to improve my experience, especially as I write a lot of content. What would you recommend that has that physical clicky feedback, but without too much noise? Preferably wireless and RGB lit, but I'll take suggestions on board.
What wrist rest do you recommend? Which are you using for the keychron boards? I think the height of the board is 1.5 inches so I'm guessing I need thicker one
I'm actually typing this comment on a K4 at the moment. Your spacebar is definitely different from mine - mine does not make a squeaking sound, and is very consistent in sound with the rest of the keys (I got Gateron Browns, and purchased a K2 in the same switch - both with no issues). I would suggest reaching out to Keychron - because that's definitely not normal. My biggest gripe is that there is no software for lighting/hotkeys, but the manual states 'yet', so that leaves hope for one to come on later. I'm also hoping someone makes some custom solid aluminum/wood cases for these.
Hello, I love your channel and your reviews. I got a few questions: 1.Can the Keychron K4 be customized with other color keycaps set? 2.What is the difference between the aluminum and the plastic one? Can I remove the Aluminum black parts located on the keyboard sides? I hope to see your answer soon. Thanks.
Keep in mind that the Keychron warehouse is in Hong Kong. It ships from there, and if you don't like the product, you're responsible for returning it to there. Which means, effectively, there are no returns. Keychron doesn't offer a return label, so you can pony out more money than you spent on the actual keyboard, trying to return it.
Hi. I got my Keychron K6 two weeks ago. It's my first mech, so it's bare bones (non-hot swappable, no aluminum). Opted for the Brown switches for typing tactility. However, while I like the thocc thocc sounds, I expected a little more resistance at each key press. If my understanding is right, I need Cherry MX Blacks in my next mech purchase (is that right?). Right now, I want to ask if there are springs I can buy to put under the keycaps, to at least increase the key press resistance (and what are these springs called, so I can Google them up).
Hello! I’ve been looking for a wireless mechanical keyboard to use for office/home for a while and was suprized by the community built around it. I found there are a lot of good looking keycaps too for customization like YMDK. Do you recommend this keyboard? Or should i look elsewhere?
Does anyone know a good solution to get this keyboard as a german QWERTZ version? Keychron seems like the best choice for a minimalistic bluetooth mechanical keyboard but I can't spend this money on a keyboard on which I can't even type some german letters (eg Ä Ü Ö and I also think >< are missing on US layout?).
Hi, I just received my new K4 today’s. However, I have an issue where my “left shift key” output is not functioning when I combined with all the 2nd row from bottom keys (i.e zxcvbnm,./) - usually to Capital the letter Do you encounter any issue like this? Is it normal?
@Peter Kropotkin Sometimes people get a MacBook to work on, from their company. I got a MacBook Pro 16, and I also have an MSI gaming laptop. This situation is pretty realistic for people who code for a living.
@Peter Kropotkin 1. Mac OS is pretty stable and we can just focus on our job. I like using this better for work, than on my Windows/Linux machine. Installations and software versioning work as expected, unlike in Arch Linux where things for my environment kept breaking. It used to be annoying. 2. I never thought I'd ever say this, but Mac OS and the Macbook 16" make a very fluid platform. 3. The Retina display is gorgeous! Mac OS scaling works without a hitch, unlike in Linux or Windows. And before you correct me, let me tell you that I've been working enough years with High-Res displays and Linux to know what a pain it is. 4. I love the company I work for, and don't need your suggestions for where I should and should not work.
@Peter Kropotkin Sounds like you're an unemployed bum hiding behind an alias to talk trash to others. Apart from Arch, I'm also running Debian on my home server. Debian works, until you try to change something and it breaks. Honestly, Mac OS is just better for work. I also used to the snob you are right now, so I'm advising that you need to use it to experience the workflow improvement... When and if you finally land a job.
I know this is older but just in case you see this I wanted to ask a bit further as you mentioned the optic option might not be soldered, do you think you could swap in Cherry switches. I'm trying to find something in tkl or 1800 ish layouts built well with hot swappable as I have no tools for soldering.
This was the first mech I ever purchased, before I started making custom keyboards. Today I went back to it and I modded it from the ground up with lubed switches, case foam, and some high end keycaps. it's an entirely new device now and I appreciate owning it so much more.
Is there a top 5 linear switches you personally would recommend? I'm currently using the ducky one 2 TKL with cherry MX silver and after watching all your videos and subscribing, getting a custom keyboard just has been something I've really wanted to do now. It seems like there's just so many out there that I did not know about and your input would be great since you seem to know your switches! I know this all comes down to personal preference, but in the end I would like to know your top 5 or 3 linear switches. Also I do like to start with a kit that is hot swappable. So if there is a case and pcb also you'd recommend for this, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance! (Sorry for long comment lol)
thats just it. I want all the keys but smashed together to make it as small as possible and mechanical switches with rgb. slim picking for this type of layout but I wish other companies would make a board like this. great video!
Didn't knew anyone was hype in this keyboard, i just saw it in online shop then watch a review, first impression was ok i like it, because of the full compact mechanical keys specially the numpad also in bluetooth which i can use in my office.
I guess the easiest way to figure it out is to just take his two keychron videos, his videos where he talks about the 65% layout, and the videos where he talks about hot swap and combine those. I don't see it likely for him to do another keychron since he didn't really like the two he has already done. If the bluetooth features are what you need, then sure, but there may be a better option for a bluetooth 65% percent keyboard and if it's hot swap, the switch type would never really matter since you'd be able to put literally anything, from a cherry mx blue (bleh) to holy pandas.
Hello! Please, I would like to ask something. The keyboard version with RGB leds, can be switched manually to white mode? So, when you don't want colors, you go to white? Or also turn lights off? Thank you really much for your attention.
I made the mistake of buying a Keychron K7. What I received was NOT wireless (no dongle included) and, when connected by USB cable, many keys did not work. When I asked Keychron for an RMA, they demanded that I send them a video proving that I had not falsified the results of their keyboard test. Keychron has ignored all my subsequent requests for an RMA and a refund. There are many reputable companies making keyboards. Before buying anything from Keychron, think! Do you want to give your money to a company that treats its customers this way?
Got this keyboard from Kickstarter. When it works it works. When it stops working it stops working either from lost of battery or some other reason. Most of the time it loses battery without warning. One thing they need to update is have some kind of battery low warning. Sometimes no reason at all.
I've got the K2 with browns and the reason why I believe Keychron is such a good option at this price is that it is the only company creating keyboards at this price with a Mac layout (especially function keys). It is a bit high (but I already had a wrist rest so no biggie). If you're on windows there are probably better things out there for the price but I really appreciate the Mac function keys. It's also incredibly reliable. I looked extensively before I bought mine, and I couldn't find a good affordable keycap set for Mac that I could put on something at a cheaper price. It's not about bang for buck - it's about being the only option out there at this price for Mac users who want Mac function keys.
I am a big fan of this layout as it has just what I need, however I’ve already been using a budget 75% Keyboard and a stand-alone numpad. If I were to upgrade I might start of with a kit and dive deep into this world of custom keyboard. However if it is cheaper and more bang for buck to mod this keyboard at $69, I’ll take it.
It's almost always more 'bang for your buck' to mod a cheap off the shelf keyboard, but that only gets you so far before you hit a wall. That wall could be the stabiliser design, usually very difficult to fix. Lube helps a bit but you'll have to desolder the entire board to install new and better stabilisers to really fix them (just one example).
Ok I can definitely see/ understand why this isnt a great keyboard stock but I was looking at purchasing it to MOD it. I already have gateron milky blacks switches to put in (iv desoldered before), looking at getting another custom keycap set along with lubing/clipping/ bandaid mod/ orings. Think this would be enough to turn it into something nice or should I get something like the Vortex Vibe which already has nice keycaps and switches I would be satisfied with lubing (gat silent blacks) and in most arguments has a better layout/ build quality?
I'm on a macOS compliant keyboard search. So far the obvious choices for regular boards is Apple's own Space Grey Full Size Keyboard and Logitech's spendy Craft Keyboard with its controller knob (of dubious utility). On the mechanical keyboard front, I've found this: the Keychron K4 and also the Akko 3108. The major pro of the K4 is mechanical at a very inexpensive price. Since this video has gone up, Keychron offers the K4 with more switch types. For me, I'm most interested in Optical Browns. Currently with their sale price on their lowest end plastic, white only backlit model it's $64. Which is insane. The Akko 3108 (if you can find the specific model you want in stock with both the look and switches you want) starts at $95. However, both of these options are less expensive when compared to the Apple and Logitech options, neither of which is mechanical, but offer other "integration" benefits (this is when not considering used, if I buy the Apple or Logitech options, I'll likely buy them at a 20-30% used discount). I'm not entirely sure which way is the way to go. I'm really used to using Apple's first party low profile butterfly switch boards. About 10 years ago I did use a Das Keyboard 2 (before the mech hype train got big) for a year or two and it was fine, but noisy - and I found the Apple board to be "good enough". However I'm revisiting that - Brown Switches might give me the right balance between feeling and noise and the Keychron K4 might do it all at the right price (other than its very high board height). Either way, I know I want full size or near fullsize. Just trying to figure out if I should pull the trigger on the K4.
What would you reccomend between this and the DURGOD K310. Looking for a Keyboard with a numberpad and Love the 96% layout to save space on my desk. The iquinox F96 looks amazing but is pretty pricey for me at the moment. I've had a few Gaming mechs (ie. Corsair, Razer) in the past when I used to play more games but Edit & type a lot more now and looking for something nice and clean and minimal. Also what game are you playing at the end in this?
Can you recommend me full aluminum hosing tenkeyless keyboard for using MacOS? I need a keyboard which support full function keys in MaxOS, like Keychron.
I bought a K4 to test and for a while I had a problem with bluetooth. Now I'm using a bluetooth adapter and it has improved a bit, but I think the biggest connection problem is that it connects itself after disconnecting itself. I'm testing it with the battery saver mode off to see if it solves the problem. Yes, the keyboard is a little high and I find the texture of the keycaps a bit strange. I particularly prefer my FILCO Majestouch 2 TKL Hakua.
Id rather they create a top bar in the chassis to fit a battery and all the switches they need on the side to keep the rest of the frame slim and ergonomic. Im happy to see more wireless mechs but I'll wait for better designed boards
You should review either the Keychron K6 or K8. They've inclined the front of both of these keyboards (and now the K2 with the release of its second version) and also have the option of coming with hot-swappable sockets (which support 5 pin switches!). I think that you should at least review one of their newer keyboards to see if the changes they made help make a better product
Hey Tae.... do u agree with the round up HardwareCanucks did saying "theres no perfect low profile keyboard"? Considering the 80k views, i would say there is a market for it. And I am one wating for the perfect low profile small form factor (75%) keyboard. Right now i am still considering the k70 low profile, but really hoping to find a better option. What would u say is the best low profile mechanical 75% option out there? Also... a video ideia, would be for u to compile what the market has to offer right now... :D
He hasn't review that many low profile boards. There just isn't enough of a market, not enough switches, cases or full boards. Even something like stabilisers is difficult to do with some people having to design their own. The only way to get it perfect (or what you would consider perfect) is to design and build your own. Switches can be purchased standalone in some places and you can pay a PCB designer to make your layout. But even then, don't expect too much.
Kennui Muffins thank you very much for this in depth response. Building a custom might really be my only option for a while. Sadly. I’ve sent messages to all manufacturers i like hoping for the best. I got promises to “look into it” but that was it. I wish I didn’t like low profile this much.
From what I've heard, the only real special low profile switch is the kailh choc white, but the kailh box white switch that uses the same mechanism as it is also just special on it's own. Though, the low profile market is still something that isn't fully matured yet, where there still is not very many options even on the custom side. Unless you can't live without it, look for one of the kailh low profile keyboards since the keycap stabilization per key (not stabilizers for large keys like the space bar) is better than the ones that use the cherry stem do, based on what some reviewers have to say since I'm still pretty new in the community. This does sacrifice keycap compatibility, but there aren't many low profile keycaps in the first place. With how the market is looking, there may be more people looking for low profiles in the future, so the market is probably going to mature in the future, but as it is now, it's still in the infant stages of the product and it is likely that hardcore gamers may buy into it as they have shorter travel and actuation distances and that is something that gamers seem to like. edit: Chyrosran22 (a prominent member of the vintage keyboard community) has done a couple videos on the modern low profile keyboards and he is rather picky so perhaps watch some of those videos. To sum up his opinions of the choc blue (which are apparently just choc whites but licensed specifically to Havit, some keyboard manufacturer) he likes the switch, but the keyboard it's in is pretty meh. I did see a Havit tkl keyboard on amazon for around 60 usd, but if it's not clickly you want, then not sure about what you could do. Choc reds?
I use a lot of creative programs that use numpad shortcuts. I've never owned a mechanical keyboard for any length of time. I bought the Logitech G613 with Romer-G switches and really loved it, but returned it after a day because it didn't have any back-light and i couldn't see the keyboard while i edited videos in low light. Do you know how the K4 Gaterons and Gateron Opticals compare to the Romer-G?
Romer switches feel softer to me than MX browns. Like there is a cushion under them. They are light and low travel. With MX browns there is more of a bump and they comes down on the metal plate more firmly. The Orion G910 has back lighting if you like Romer Switches and has really good back lighting. Honestly I'd rather get a Ducky Shine 7 or the Keychron though.
@@goxcpre Yeah i liked that short travel. I went ahead and bought the Keychron K4 with Optical Blues, which i don't like as much but are way better that what i currently had. Luckily i can swap them with any other Gateron Optical switches i want. I looked at the specs of the RomerG tactile switches in the G613 and they compare most closely to the specs of the Gateron Optical Silvers as far as i can tell. So i'm going to buy a few of them to try out in the K4.
I've recently become passionate towards not folding cables lol.
This is what I mean : bit.ly/2SZuaWS
TaeKeyboards Are you rewatching Avatar the last airbender? Just seen you watching it in the last 2 reviews or so (during the typet eat)
It's a pet peeve of mine as well. I have to stretch and straighten up my cable when they come folded like that. My favorite mouse the Glorious gaming mouse is notorious for this and annoy the crap out of me.
over/under coil gang rise up
TaeKeyboards what’s your top 3 favourite keyboards in 2020?
TaeKeyboards are you able to review the Keychron K6 I mean yes it is similar to the K2 but without the extra function row, however, they do have hot-swappable PCB now with Gateron or LK optical in the tactile brown form which I find unique and linear red and clicky blue as well so maybe a chance to get your optical fix? Thanks so much for your reviews really great and good opinions.
I would love to see a video series of you taking these cheaper keyboards with small issues and mod them to make them higher quality. Like clipping stems, lubing switches, or fixing weird squeaks.
the spacebar is whining in pain just stop pressing it dude
It has to be done.
That spacebar literally made me close the video.
Could it have been a defective unit? I mean they can't be legit sending it out sounding like that right?
Lol
@@TaeKeyboards Do you know how to fix it?
Everyone: The spacebar sqeaks...
Me: Hey, it's Avatar
Every time you strike the spacebar, the tiny house mouse hiding beneath it cries out in pain.
I have the aluminum K4 with yellow gaterons too, and it's been great to me.
Thank god my spacebar doesn't sound like that. Matter of fact, my spacebar feels amazing.
I went with this board because it's backlit, wireless, 96% and available/affordable to buy in EU. I was unaware it was hyped.
Hey, I saw that you got it here in EU. Did you get it directly from their website? Was it shipped from inside EU also? Tks!
@@fcs_2014 I just ordered it from US amazon. The import fees were extremely reasonable considering the price of alternatives in the 96% market
@@i8m Tks for your kind reply. I will take a look at it.
That space bar sounds like The Box by Roddy Rich
I forget about the sound test for a moment, Avatar took over.
5:37 wtf is that squeak lmao
this is exactly the pro review i have been searching for. thanks man!
That was a very honest review and I appreciate you for that.
THAT SPACEBAR LMAO
RIP
**SQUEAK**
PEX whats bad abt it
Foretell do you not hear it squeaking?
Ether. Never head the typing test
I'm gonna hear that spacebar in my nightmares tonight.
You should do a video on the Dierya DK61. 60% board that uses gateron opticals for 50$. Gateron optical reds feel surprisingly good.
I’ve had this keyboard for 6 months now, no squeaking on the spacebar. Maybe just needs to be broken in. Some of my most used keys such as control and shift have a tiny bit of friction and may need to be lubed every half year. So far very happy!
after watching dozens keyboard review I think this is the best choice for a versatile keyboard
Best review and most realistic one i would say.
Good Review! I ordered one with Alu and Optical Reds (currently on hold still at customs 3 days now lol)
I bought this because i'm going full wireless on my set up. And a KB is all i'm missing. I got this because i needed that numpad for my work most of the time, and i wanted something compact, importantly the optical switches when i'm gaming. However, i have still have yet to try this, i'm hoping for a good experience. Your review about the K2 is what lead me to buy their Walnut Palm Rest. So thank you! :)
There aren't many choices for wireless with optical switches and numpad. So i have to get these, until a better one comes out i guess. Plus i think it's pretty cheap for $128.15 all in with the palm rest and shipping. It's cheaper than my mouse. SMH.
I have the optical version of this keyboard, with the blue version of the switches, and while I do find them noticeably more responsive than typical contact-based switches (even friends not into keyboards can notice a difference), I found them too light for me personally and went back to my Kira after a week. I do like how smooth they feel tho, they just... glide down upon the keypress with minimal friction. It's oddly satisfying.
G602 gang!
Holy cow I was just thinking of looking for a review of this keyboard. You came at the right timing, dude.
I love you even more now that i know that you watch avatar the last airbender
Everything was fine til the spacebar squeaks
Have K4 Optical Red Aluminium frame, no sqeaks.
I had to return my K4 because (on top of all of the other problems) the switches started squeaking after a week.
same with mine
@@deadgc On top of all other problems? Please detail for the rest of us!
@@alanlopezr.7104 These may not be problems for other people, but for me, I had these issues:
Case bezel had a sharp ledge, so when I would mindlessly move my hand back over my keyboard from using the mouse, at one point I cut my hand on it. (Not a problem on the aluminum frame I presume because it's a different shape)
The location of the LED button is .... problematic - most other SFF keyboards put the delete keyboard in the most accessible position, but keychron puts the LED button there.
I also had wonky key registration issues on wired. I would understand on wireless and excuse it, because wireless, but while plugged in and in wired-mode, the keyboard would just sometimes not register keystrokes.
And while this is a minor issue and is easily/cheaply fixed; the stock keycaps are very thin, feel flimsy and loud.
1:22 You convinced me to just go with the Equnix F96
I love how there is Avatar in the background
Thank you very much. Nice review. We are waiting for your next video, keep healthy and keep spirit uploading
Can i mods k4 into a hotswapable switch?? With a millmax socket??
I'm planning on replacing and designing my own frame for the keychron k4. And 3D print the parts I need :)
Have you done this yet? I just got the k4 and it's definitely a bit too thick for my taste
Hong Tse I started designing one today. This isn’t final yet, but I’ll keep this page updated as i go along: www.thingiverse.com/thing:4528630
Love Keychron, cause all the local shops stock it!
Congratulations on 100K!!
Was waiting to see if you'd cover this one. Been waiting to see if I should go ahead and pull the trigger on this
I still think I'm going to end up buying this because the 96 layout is just perfect for me and I just can't find another 96 out there that isn't insanely expensive or doesn't require me to buy a soldering station (making it just as expensive for me as a pre built)
mine is great, though you do have to get used to the height. it's not the most solid sounding given the keycaps and the plastic construction, but at least stabs come pre-lubed 🙌
man i love this layout (you too m8
haha, not there yet mate
i'm a k2 owner and as a mac user I think it's the best option as far as bluetooth switching btwn devices, plug and play out of the box, and having the mac specific keys. The height and OEM keycaps are a problem for sure, but they are releasing PBT cherry keycaps for the k2 soon. I soldered Zealios v2 and I'm really loving this keyboard more now. I was about to rip my hair out using this with Gateron Reds.
Nice mate, fair enough. It definitely is a convenient board for those reasons 🙌
@@TaeKeyboards It's hard out here for us Mac users! Oh, I think one thing to note, which I learned from zealpc, is that the PCB apparently uses an "older" style of LED mount where its on the switch side, and not an 'underglow'. This was one issue I had when soldering the new switches, basically they sit on top of the LEDs
Love your review style
I had no idea people cared about keyboards so much lol. I only started looking into mechanical ones because I randomly started pushing some of them at jb hifi. I immediately thought it was satisfying and wanted to improve my experience, especially as I write a lot of content. What would you recommend that has that physical clicky feedback, but without too much noise? Preferably wireless and RGB lit, but I'll take suggestions on board.
K4 is a great keyboard! Did a shout out of your K2 review because you provided great details.
What wrist rest do you recommend? Which are you using for the keychron boards? I think the height of the board is 1.5 inches so I'm guessing I need thicker one
I'm actually typing this comment on a K4 at the moment. Your spacebar is definitely different from mine - mine does not make a squeaking sound, and is very consistent in sound with the rest of the keys (I got Gateron Browns, and purchased a K2 in the same switch - both with no issues).
I would suggest reaching out to Keychron - because that's definitely not normal.
My biggest gripe is that there is no software for lighting/hotkeys, but the manual states 'yet', so that leaves hope for one to come on later. I'm also hoping someone makes some custom solid aluminum/wood cases for these.
Hello, I love your channel and your reviews. I got a few questions:
1.Can the Keychron K4 be customized with other color keycaps set?
2.What is the difference between the aluminum and the plastic one? Can I remove the Aluminum black parts located on the keyboard sides?
I hope to see your answer soon. Thanks.
Keep in mind that the Keychron warehouse is in Hong Kong. It ships from there, and if you don't like the product, you're responsible for returning it to there. Which means, effectively, there are no returns. Keychron doesn't offer a return label, so you can pony out more money than you spent on the actual keyboard, trying to return it.
Hi. I got my Keychron K6 two weeks ago. It's my first mech, so it's bare bones (non-hot swappable, no aluminum). Opted for the Brown switches for typing tactility. However, while I like the thocc thocc sounds, I expected a little more resistance at each key press. If my understanding is right, I need Cherry MX Blacks in my next mech purchase (is that right?). Right now, I want to ask if there are springs I can buy to put under the keycaps, to at least increase the key press resistance (and what are these springs called, so I can Google them up).
Hello! I’ve been looking for a wireless mechanical keyboard to use for office/home for a while and was suprized by the community built around it. I found there are a lot of good looking keycaps too for customization like YMDK. Do you recommend this keyboard? Or should i look elsewhere?
Does anyone know a good solution to get this keyboard as a german QWERTZ version? Keychron seems like the best choice for a minimalistic bluetooth mechanical keyboard but I can't spend this money on a keyboard on which I can't even type some german letters (eg Ä Ü Ö and I also think >< are missing on US layout?).
Hi,
I just received my new K4 today’s. However, I have an issue where my “left shift key” output is not functioning when I combined with all the 2nd row from bottom keys (i.e zxcvbnm,./) - usually to Capital the letter
Do you encounter any issue like this? Is it normal?
you think the spacebar is faulty on your keyboard or is it an issue for all?
I was going to buy this until I saw the Kira96. The hot swap feature is what sold me on the Kira96. Nothing beats a 96% layout for work.
What do you recommend instead of this for Mac + Windows.
Usage :
- Mac : Coding
- Windows : Light Gaming
@Peter Kropotkin Better to use a Mac for iOS development, lol.
@Peter Kropotkin Sometimes people get a MacBook to work on, from their company. I got a MacBook Pro 16, and I also have an MSI gaming laptop. This situation is pretty realistic for people who code for a living.
@Peter Kropotkin 1. Mac OS is pretty stable and we can just focus on our job. I like using this better for work, than on my Windows/Linux machine. Installations and software versioning work as expected, unlike in Arch Linux where things for my environment kept breaking. It used to be annoying.
2. I never thought I'd ever say this, but Mac OS and the Macbook 16" make a very fluid platform.
3. The Retina display is gorgeous! Mac OS scaling works without a hitch, unlike in Linux or Windows. And before you correct me, let me tell you that I've been working enough years with High-Res displays and Linux to know what a pain it is.
4. I love the company I work for, and don't need your suggestions for where I should and should not work.
@Peter Kropotkin Sounds like you're an unemployed bum hiding behind an alias to talk trash to others. Apart from Arch, I'm also running Debian on my home server. Debian works, until you try to change something and it breaks. Honestly, Mac OS is just better for work.
I also used to the snob you are right now, so I'm advising that you need to use it to experience the workflow improvement... When and if you finally land a job.
I know this is older but just in case you see this I wanted to ask a bit further as you mentioned the optic option might not be soldered, do you think you could swap in Cherry switches. I'm trying to find something in tkl or 1800 ish layouts built well with hot swappable as I have no tools for soldering.
This was the first mech I ever purchased, before I started making custom keyboards. Today I went back to it and I modded it from the ground up with lubed switches, case foam, and some high end keycaps. it's an entirely new device now and I appreciate owning it so much more.
what keycaps did you get?
@@evan_n6136 I've mostly been using Akko keycaps on this one and they fit perfectly. Right now it's got Akko Neons on it.
thanks man, will be buying mine soon!
Is there a top 5 linear switches you personally would recommend? I'm currently using the ducky one 2 TKL with cherry MX silver and after watching all your videos and subscribing, getting a custom keyboard just has been something I've really wanted to do now. It seems like there's just so many out there that I did not know about and your input would be great since you seem to know your switches! I know this all comes down to personal preference, but in the end I would like to know your top 5 or 3 linear switches. Also I do like to start with a kit that is hot swappable. So if there is a case and pcb also you'd recommend for this, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance! (Sorry for long comment lol)
thats just it. I want all the keys but smashed together to make it as small as possible and mechanical switches with rgb. slim picking for this type of layout but I wish other companies would make a board like this. great video!
Didn't knew anyone was hype in this keyboard, i just saw it in online shop then watch a review, first impression was ok i like it, because of the full compact mechanical keys specially the numpad also in bluetooth which i can use in my office.
5:20 ASMR ❤️❤️
**squeak**
@@1292817341 lol
Would really appreciate a review of the Keychron K6 hotswap from you!
I guess the easiest way to figure it out is to just take his two keychron videos, his videos where he talks about the 65% layout, and the videos where he talks about hot swap and combine those. I don't see it likely for him to do another keychron since he didn't really like the two he has already done. If the bluetooth features are what you need, then sure, but there may be a better option for a bluetooth 65% percent keyboard and if it's hot swap, the switch type would never really matter since you'd be able to put literally anything, from a cherry mx blue (bleh) to holy pandas.
Hello! Please, I would like to ask something. The keyboard version with RGB leds, can be switched manually to white mode? So, when you don't want colors, you go to white? Or also turn lights off? Thank you really much for your attention.
everybody gangsta till they spacebar squeaks
just got the k4 myself and I also have the squeaky rattly left side of my space bar, same as yours.
It's a feature :D
I shoulda fixed it in the vid, but honestly got lazy. It wouldn't be hard.
@@TaeKeyboards yeah I'll fix it myself at some point, lol you have more than enough videos on the subject for me to figure it out
what type of stabs do they use if this is a consistent problem?
@@TaeKeyboards You made them lose a lot of customers with that lol, but it's their fault for not doing a decent QC over something so noticeable.
That squeak was unbearable
Yeh I would fix it, but I’m not gonna use it anymore 👽
Just a question. If the battery is removed, will the keyboard still work via wire? Thanks!
I made the mistake of buying a Keychron K7. What I received was NOT wireless (no dongle included) and, when connected by USB cable, many keys did not work. When I asked Keychron for an RMA, they demanded that I send them a video proving that I had not falsified the results of their keyboard test. Keychron has ignored all my subsequent requests for an RMA and a refund.
There are many reputable companies making keyboards. Before buying anything from Keychron, think! Do you want to give your money to a company that treats its customers this way?
Do you ever just unplug a keyboard and start typing on it randomly for fun?
Just me? oh.. ok then nvm lmao
Lol I don’t think it’s just you
Got this keyboard from Kickstarter. When it works it works. When it stops working it stops working either from lost of battery or some other reason. Most of the time it loses battery without warning. One thing they need to update is have some kind of battery low warning. Sometimes no reason at all.
I've got the K2 with browns and the reason why I believe Keychron is such a good option at this price is that it is the only company creating keyboards at this price with a Mac layout (especially function keys). It is a bit high (but I already had a wrist rest so no biggie). If you're on windows there are probably better things out there for the price but I really appreciate the Mac function keys. It's also incredibly reliable. I looked extensively before I bought mine, and I couldn't find a good affordable keycap set for Mac that I could put on something at a cheaper price. It's not about bang for buck - it's about being the only option out there at this price for Mac users who want Mac function keys.
I am a big fan of this layout as it has just what I need, however I’ve already been using a budget 75% Keyboard and a stand-alone numpad. If I were to upgrade I might start of with a kit and dive deep into this world of custom keyboard. However if it is cheaper and more bang for buck to mod this keyboard at $69, I’ll take it.
It's almost always more 'bang for your buck' to mod a cheap off the shelf keyboard, but that only gets you so far before you hit a wall. That wall could be the stabiliser design, usually very difficult to fix. Lube helps a bit but you'll have to desolder the entire board to install new and better stabilisers to really fix them (just one example).
Kennui Muffins why would you need to desolder the entire board? Is it because of the plate?
Hey Tae! could you review the magicforce smart 2, I'm wondering if the keyboards higher than Anne Pro 2 and which is more egronomic :D
No
K6 should be available for preorder soon. The Kickstarter for K6 recently ended. Hopefully a little nicer build wise.
does this keyboard have a function where I can press a button and it will connect to my other laptop/device via bluetooth? or I need to pair it again?
Ok I can definitely see/ understand why this isnt a great keyboard stock but I was looking at purchasing it to MOD it. I already have gateron milky blacks switches to put in (iv desoldered before), looking at getting another custom keycap set along with lubing/clipping/ bandaid mod/ orings. Think this would be enough to turn it into something nice or should I get something like the Vortex Vibe which already has nice keycaps and switches I would be satisfied with lubing (gat silent blacks) and in most arguments has a better layout/ build quality?
Fair enough mate, you can make it nice!
I really wish there were some more RF wireless mechanical keyboards. I hate using bluetooth.
Is this keyboard compatible with most custom USB-c cables? like the ones from space cables? The USB-c port looks super cramped...
If the cable is plugged in, does the keyboard not require bluetooth connection and automatically use the cable to transfer data?
I'm on a macOS compliant keyboard search. So far the obvious choices for regular boards is Apple's own Space Grey Full Size Keyboard and Logitech's spendy Craft Keyboard with its controller knob (of dubious utility). On the mechanical keyboard front, I've found this: the Keychron K4 and also the Akko 3108.
The major pro of the K4 is mechanical at a very inexpensive price. Since this video has gone up, Keychron offers the K4 with more switch types. For me, I'm most interested in Optical Browns. Currently with their sale price on their lowest end plastic, white only backlit model it's $64. Which is insane. The Akko 3108 (if you can find the specific model you want in stock with both the look and switches you want) starts at $95. However, both of these options are less expensive when compared to the Apple and Logitech options, neither of which is mechanical, but offer other "integration" benefits (this is when not considering used, if I buy the Apple or Logitech options, I'll likely buy them at a 20-30% used discount).
I'm not entirely sure which way is the way to go. I'm really used to using Apple's first party low profile butterfly switch boards. About 10 years ago I did use a Das Keyboard 2 (before the mech hype train got big) for a year or two and it was fine, but noisy - and I found the Apple board to be "good enough". However I'm revisiting that - Brown Switches might give me the right balance between feeling and noise and the Keychron K4 might do it all at the right price (other than its very high board height). Either way, I know I want full size or near fullsize. Just trying to figure out if I should pull the trigger on the K4.
hey you should totally do a video on the best keyboards for each form factor
I am waiting for the KeyChron K6, the hot swapping keyboard.
You think is fine this for a programmer? I have already buy it, but sometimes i think of the K2 would been a more reasonable choice.
wich game are u playing at the end of the video?
What would you reccomend between this and the DURGOD K310. Looking for a Keyboard with a numberpad and Love the 96% layout to save space on my desk. The iquinox F96 looks amazing but is pretty pricey for me at the moment. I've had a few Gaming mechs (ie. Corsair, Razer) in the past when I used to play more games but Edit & type a lot more now and looking for something nice and clean and minimal.
Also what game are you playing at the end in this?
hi mate which is taller K4 or F96?
Wondering why Keychron went with brown of all colors for the secondary keys. Numerous other colors would have been a better choice in my opinion.
Can you recommend me full aluminum hosing tenkeyless keyboard for using MacOS? I need a keyboard which support full function keys in MaxOS, like Keychron.
What is it about keyboard youtubers and being so humble
Hey, Do you guys have a suggestion for Mechanical keyboard Mac or Mac + Windows ? Thanks in advance =)
Hi TaeKeboards, had you tried Hexgears brands?
Hi Tae, could you add some foam to the emptiness in the case to see if that makes the feeling slightly better?
Is it weird that I like the little squeak of the keys?
Does being wireless makes the rgb dimmer in order to conserve power compared to dedicated wired keyboards?
I don't care what none of y'all say, I still love her
using the k4 to write this. I'm a fan.
ATLA fan here niceeeee
For software development with light gaming on the side, which keyboard and buttons would you recommend with both macOS and Windows support?
Honestly waiting for K6 as a work board.
I bought a K4 to test and for a while I had a problem with bluetooth. Now I'm using a bluetooth adapter and it has improved a bit, but I think the biggest connection problem is that it connects itself after disconnecting itself. I'm testing it with the battery saver mode off to see if it solves the problem.
Yes, the keyboard is a little high and I find the texture of the keycaps a bit strange. I particularly prefer my FILCO Majestouch 2 TKL Hakua.
Id rather they create a top bar in the chassis to fit a battery and all the switches they need on the side to keep the rest of the frame slim and ergonomic. Im happy to see more wireless mechs but I'll wait for better designed boards
You should review either the Keychron K6 or K8. They've inclined the front of both of these keyboards (and now the K2 with the release of its second version) and also have the option of coming with hot-swappable sockets (which support 5 pin switches!). I think that you should at least review one of their newer keyboards to see if the changes they made help make a better product
The issue that I really worry about this keyboard is how high it is and the squeaky spacebar
Hey Tae.... do u agree with the round up HardwareCanucks did saying "theres no perfect low profile keyboard"? Considering the 80k views, i would say there is a market for it. And I am one wating for the perfect low profile small form factor (75%) keyboard. Right now i am still considering the k70 low profile, but really hoping to find a better option. What would u say is the best low profile mechanical 75% option out there? Also... a video ideia, would be for u to compile what the market has to offer right now... :D
He hasn't review that many low profile boards. There just isn't enough of a market, not enough switches, cases or full boards. Even something like stabilisers is difficult to do with some people having to design their own.
The only way to get it perfect (or what you would consider perfect) is to design and build your own. Switches can be purchased standalone in some places and you can pay a PCB designer to make your layout. But even then, don't expect too much.
Kennui Muffins thank you very much for this in depth response. Building a custom might really be my only option for a while. Sadly. I’ve sent messages to all manufacturers i like hoping for the best. I got promises to “look into it” but that was it. I wish I didn’t like low profile this much.
From what I've heard, the only real special low profile switch is the kailh choc white, but the kailh box white switch that uses the same mechanism as it is also just special on it's own. Though, the low profile market is still something that isn't fully matured yet, where there still is not very many options even on the custom side. Unless you can't live without it, look for one of the kailh low profile keyboards since the keycap stabilization per key (not stabilizers for large keys like the space bar) is better than the ones that use the cherry stem do, based on what some reviewers have to say since I'm still pretty new in the community. This does sacrifice keycap compatibility, but there aren't many low profile keycaps in the first place. With how the market is looking, there may be more people looking for low profiles in the future, so the market is probably going to mature in the future, but as it is now, it's still in the infant stages of the product and it is likely that hardcore gamers may buy into it as they have shorter travel and actuation distances and that is something that gamers seem to like.
edit: Chyrosran22 (a prominent member of the vintage keyboard community) has done a couple videos on the modern low profile keyboards and he is rather picky so perhaps watch some of those videos. To sum up his opinions of the choc blue (which are apparently just choc whites but licensed specifically to Havit, some keyboard manufacturer) he likes the switch, but the keyboard it's in is pretty meh. I did see a Havit tkl keyboard on amazon for around 60 usd, but if it's not clickly you want, then not sure about what you could do. Choc reds?
Ouuuf that squeak though on the spacebar
Keychron k6, that’s where the hype is!
Need advice please - Which HS PCB has settings or switch for Mac/Win like the Keychron?
I think there's a mouse stuck in the keyboard and you keep smashing it's tail with the spacebar.
I use a lot of creative programs that use numpad shortcuts. I've never owned a mechanical keyboard for any length of time. I bought the Logitech G613 with Romer-G switches and really loved it, but returned it after a day because it didn't have any back-light and i couldn't see the keyboard while i edited videos in low light. Do you know how the K4 Gaterons and Gateron Opticals compare to the Romer-G?
Romer switches feel softer to me than MX browns. Like there is a cushion under them. They are light and low travel. With MX browns there is more of a bump and they comes down on the metal plate more firmly. The Orion G910 has back lighting if you like Romer Switches and has really good back lighting. Honestly I'd rather get a Ducky Shine 7 or the Keychron though.
@@goxcpre Yeah i liked that short travel. I went ahead and bought the Keychron K4 with Optical Blues, which i don't like as much but are way better that what i currently had. Luckily i can swap them with any other Gateron Optical switches i want. I looked at the specs of the RomerG tactile switches in the G613 and they compare most closely to the specs of the Gateron Optical Silvers as far as i can tell. So i'm going to buy a few of them to try out in the K4.