Damn bro, you're focking cool as hell. I always find myself agreeing with 99.99% of your stance on things. Your Joey Jordison stance especially. Rip man. I watched this whole video. Liked👍
Good video dude. Couple of clarifications though - 1. Lars Ulrich - yes he isn’t the most technical drummer. But with “One” - Lars inspired tonnes of drummers to try out the double bass. Which wasn’t commercially acceptable before Lars’ double bass drumming. And Joey Jordison, Brann Dailor and Mike Portnoy - all excellent and technical metal drummers - all were inspired by Lars. That said - blast beats were never commercially successful in the mainstream before Joey Jordison that’s totally true 2. Joey is much more than just a death metal drummer. The dude was one heck of a songwriter and guitarist too. Don’t forget his stints in murderdolls (horror punk), Rob zombie (industrial metal), korn and even Ministry and Satyricon (black metal)
Before I knew what the rest of Slipknot looked like, I met Joey on a bus in Vancouver BC in 2005. I thought he was just some metal head heading to the PNE Forum. He had his long black hair, black leather jacket, black Obituary shirt, black pants and black boots. I asked of he was going to see Slipknot. "Na, I gotta work in the morning. Besides, I seen them the past few times they came though. Gonna give them a break this time. (points to my first Slipknot shirt from their first album photoshoot) You a fan?". I then explained to, what I thought was some random dude, that Slipknot has been my favourite band since 1999, that I never cared what they looked like, I just enjoyed the music that soothes my soul. He thought that was awesome and the band would be glad to hear that. At my stop I tell him "Sorry you got to work in the morning" and start to head to the back door. He says "I'll see you later" as the door closed. Thought that was weird but I had to get ready for my first time seeing Slipknot. Cut to a few months later and the DVD of Roadrunner's 25th Anniversary comes out. My friend brings it over and when we get to Joey's sessions, I realized I told a founding member of Slipknot how much I love his band. RIP Joey. At least you're jamming with Paul again.
This just goes to show how cool of a guy Joey really was. What a tremendous loss. Anyway, awesome story, man! Thank you so much for sharing it with us :)
Thats so badass dude. Joey definitely helped me define my drumming though i personally haven't touched a kit in ages and feel foolish even mentioning it but fuck it. Slipknot definitely helped me get through some shit in my life. It's humbling to always see how human they still are no matter what. RIP Joey and Paul, you both are sorely missed. Cherish this memory for as long as you live bro.
Slipknot has been a great “beginner” metal band that got a lot of people into the music, which is why it annoys the hell out of me that metal purists treat anyone who likes their music like trash.
✋ "Cool, like em too, check these other cool metal bands" 👉 "LMAO what a poser, go listen to Justin Bieber lololol" I think almost anyone had the same attitude for a while. Being angry kid searching some place to belong you often fall to this kind of gatekeeping attitude. Music becomes some kind of ideology when you're young. Too bad some people never grow up tho
I feel like most of those super elitist Metal purists (nerds) that refuse to give credit where it’s due are just a bunch of unhappy virgins anyway. So fuck their opinions
For me and my friends the first steps were Slipknot, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit when we were kids, then came all the heavy shit I like now. That's why it is so important to have huge mainstream bands, the ones that elitists hate
For some people, not liking anything that's popular is a mission in life. They are really just the other side of the coin of people who just like what's popular. It's kind of sad really that there are people who treat liking a genre as a kind of competition, but if that's your only chance to win in life, you'll take it.
@Jake Werner I started way before then myself. Most of my family are musicians, so I fell into it. Playing around with a lot of old school rock stuff, but slipknot is what got me into the heavy stuff. Before then I was pretty much consumed with prog..
@@FloodedWithGems As for kits, I prefer Tama myself, although Mapex is a close second. Being a huge fan of guys like Mike Portnoy, or Jason Bitner, Tama is what I like thanks to guys like that.
When Slipknot played “The Heretic Anthem” on the Conan O’Brien Show Max Weinberg the drummer for The Conan O’Brien Show and also the drummer for Bruce Springsteen. Ran back home and told his son “Jay Weinberg” you have to check out this band that played on the show tonight. And now that kid is now playing in Slipknot. Let that sink in
I was about 16 or 17 and waited up all night with a VHS tape ready to record it. So one I day I went to go pop it in for some friends and my older brother recorded over it with Skinemax softcore crap. Thing was that we had plenty of other blank tapes and I had it qued up to record more stuff but he rewinded it and taped over it. He said he accidentally ordered it while trying to figure out the password and figured he might as well record it if he was going to get in trouble for it. I'd do anything to have that recoding back again. Only copy online is super compressed and looks & sounds awful!
I definitely remember the public’s obsession with their identities. Remember the music video for Before I Forget? Having their masks off but still not showing their faces? Genius. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Another thing that Joey did that a lot of people don’t notice is that he changed his drum parts slightly from verse to verse, where most drummers would play the same part. That kept things interesting.
The human sloppiness and raw sound is what made the "Iowa" sound, one of the most important albums in my life. The mixing is just unpolished with overdriven guitar gain, blast beats and sound of Corey screaming his lungs out. And he is one hell of a lyricist. Iowa is a masterpiece. Great video, Finn. And Iowa is turning 20 in the next couple of days
A lot of people strangely still don't know that Iowa was recorded without a click/metronome. Hence songs pushing and pulling and not sounding "perfect."
Idk where you get the sloppy und unpolished part from tbh, the record sounds great and very professional to me. Much more polished than the self-titled.
Iowa is easily one of the top 5 metal albums of all time. It’s just so raw and real. There was this atmosphere that they captured on that album that can’t be produced or copied or done intentionally. It’s a masterpiece.
I've been playing drums for 17 years or so and I can attest to Joey's influence on most all metal drummers. I actually learned how to play drums from Metallica's Black album, then I learned how to play System of a Down's Toxicity album. But when I was introduced to Slipknot it just shattered my perception of what playing drums even was. I had to get a double bass pedal right away and I've never looked back. I play drums like Joey to this day (fast double bass, extra snare hits snuck in everywhere, etc...)
I am pretty new to metal, and I actually prefer a lot of slower drumming styles as I learn drumming at the ripe old age of 38…I actually like a lot of soul and funk music compared to metal, but as I explore this genre, nothing has made me want to play metal music more than the pure chaos and energy of this band. I mean, wow. I was a teenager when slipknot were first in the mainstream and I sidestepped them completely. I absolutely love that song before I forget. I recently posted on a lamb of god video and got tons of kind people offering recommendations and thoughts on what I should listen to. Any opinions, advice on slipknot would be much appreciated. This video, and this guy, loving exploring the music. Thank you! *bows*
“They were never really a Nu-Metal band” Thank Christ for somebody agreeing with me on this for once. I hate when they get lumped into the whole “Nu-Metal” thing. Same with early Chimaira.
Their S/T album is definitely nu-metal, but I'd argue subsequent albums aren't. A similar thing happens with Deftones because they started gaining traction around the same time
I don't even know what to classify Chimaira as. Maybe 00s metalcore? I just don't know what they are. What I DO know is that they were badass and not mentioned nearly enough with some of the "greats" of that era. Same goes for Unearth.
@@kennyhouser3467 Chimaira was kind of a monster of different attributes during the Pass out of Existence era (much like their name suggests). There are quite a few bouncy riffs throughout the album. But there was definitely prominent Death Metal and Groove Metal influence. Industrial thrown in there as well. It’s really one of the most UN-Nu Metal albums I can imagine. There’s definitely KoRn influence in it, but it’s quite shadowed by the Hardcore, Deicide, Morbid Angel, Fear Factory, Slipknot influence.
I’ve been saying this for a while now, and have commented it on countless other Joey videos, but I think Joey is easily in the S tier of influential musicians, period. Not just metal, and not just drummers. Pretty much EVERYONE knows and likes Joey, especially the folks my age who were teenagers during the slipknot heyday circa the new millennium. Even if you didn’t like slipknot, you knew they had a kickass drummer. As you said in this video, Joey truly influenced an entire generation of kids to buy double bass pedals and go start a metal band. I think you’d be hard pressed to find any musician across any genre who had a greater influence on an entire generation. Maybe Hendrix, Van Halen or Cobain with guitar. I can’t think of anyone on bass, not even flea, who went on to inspire an entire generation of kids to infiltrate and reinforce an entire genre. Whatever way you slice it, Joey is inarguably, objectively a pantheon level, S tier influential musician. The fact that his slipknot replacement, the son of another great drummer in Max goddamn Weinberg, was actually more influenced by Joey than his own father, says it all right there. All the kids born in the 80’s who went on to start drumming in metal bands were influenced by Joey in either a small or a huge way. It’s that cut and dry.
Yeah dude my Dad is a musician but is old and doesn't really venture to different genres, especially metal but even he knew Joey and knew he was a great drummer and it had nothing to do with me. He transcended just icon into musical hero ala Van Halen, Hendrix, Cobain. The only drummers I can think of that might have inspired more people to play are Bonham and Buddy Rich. And that's not bad company to be in.
@@theblackestvoid I would argue Joey is way more influential than Buddy Rich. Rich was big for ppl who already were drummers, and then found out about him after having already picked up the sticks; but to my knowledge he didn’t make kids want to drum-he didn’t turn non-musicians into aspiring/professional musicians the way Joey did. All due respect to Buddy, he’s an icon and a legend, obviously. Truly one of the all time greats. I just think when discussing the realm of influence, Joey honestly kind of blows him out of the water. Buddy’s drumming isn’t all over/responsible for the drumming of the decades that succeeded him the way Joey’s is. Bonham was super influential, maybe slightly more than Joey, maybe slightly less. I’d put them in the same tier for the sake of safety. Joey is as influential as any drummer you can name, if not more influential. And I’m not even a slipknot super fan or anything, I’m just being objective and have heavily been a part of the rock/alternative/metal world for the last 15-20 years. My father is also a professional drummer, in a pretty successful metal band. They are still touring 30-40 years after their first records.
@@WinedandDined27 Damn. That's a fair argument. I still think Bonham is the most influential specifically because pretty much every famous rock drummer ever cites him as why they played and their musical hero and he transcended the genre too and he's still influencing people. But I never thought about it that way with Buddy. It's true, Buddy is influential to everyone who drums but only after they start drumming. And even if most drummers end up influenced by Buddy, it's after they drum. Now you've convinced me that Joey is the most influential drummer since Bonham. I was saying past 25 years since Dave Grohl (and he is still influential and influencing people ie when people mention a drummer their go to is Dave Grohl) but Joey influenced drumming more and kids to play music more than he did. Joey was the last drum hero.
When i started drumming David from Korn and Dave Lombardo from Slayer were my influences but i can definitely say that when i heard Slipknot first album i was floored and yes he became an influence. I agree with this statement well said. Joey will always be a cornerstone of metal drumming as Bonham was for Hard Rock and Krupa and Rich were for Jazz. RIP Joey.
@@alc3062 I just hope it doesn't have any dumbass interludes or weird long interlude songs like my pain... because everything else off that album was pretty fucking good.
I like that you mention Joey's "sloppy" drumming. Flo Mounier from Cryptopsy's drumming on None So Vile also sounds "sloppy" because he isn't using triggers, nor quantization. He tries to blast beat as fast as he possibly can and you can hear the snare hits get softer. I honestly think that missing this more human aspect of metal music is why I don't care for a lot of modern metal. It's just too overproduced and robotic to me.
Agreed.. most musicians today just dont have the time it takes to be putting in all that work like their forefathers did ,theyre busy editing their vlogs
Yea Man, that really bored me with the scene in London, lived and played there for a couple decades, Got to work with some 'names', and the overproduction was too much
I love that this video turned into a Joey tribute. He truly deserves it. He changed the entire game and he was truly passionate about Slipknot, what the band represented and where it could go. RIP, king.
I never imagined i would still be listening to Slipknot 20 years later and more importantly i am susrprised at how good their music still is today, when most bands basically became a parody of themselves.
took me 20 years before i really ever listened to them , never knew them till ozzfest , 2000 i think but soon as i seen them i just wondered off in crowd never reallt listened because i seen the outfits and thought how stupid, !last year i heard cory taylor do snuff live , on youtube wehich just fell in the loop or woulkd never knew, told buddy i liked the guy and he said thought you didnt like slipknot, i dont ! didnt anyway. but yea 20 year later got a new fan i guess
When you mentioned their death metal roots I instantly thought of Joey, Paul, and Mick being in death metal bands before Slipknot. You said everything I’ve always thought!
only took like 15 years to finally come up with another halfass decent album... i was a HUGE fan from 94 til about the time head left... and they pissed me off playing a bullshit show with nothing but their crap new songs, not even one bagpipe note. korn had a big influence, but slipknot literally changed the game. and have just now come out with a less than great album. lot of people seemed to like it too... but not for me, had to come some time. they have been getting shadier and shadier, and less and less slipknot with every couple years somebody getting kicked out or leaving now. but it's been over 20 years and for most of that they only got more and more popular. korn was big, and definitely had an influence on the whole scene. but nobody save for maybe metallica has ever really been as big as slipknot. and they didn't really change anything. propbably would have if cliff hadn't died... but korn never had a cliff or joey or corey or mick. somebody that was just way beyond anyone else, and ya kinda gotta have that. slipknot's had several, still a couple. i mean, john davis is pretty damn unique. but talent wise, corey blows him away. lemmy pulled it off, but he is god so that kinda helped.@@metalheadjake3339
korn was even radio friendly, a bit... pretty sure they even got some play around here in tennessee back in the day, but never slipknot. definitely way more mtv attention, when they still played videos. and they've still done way more. i'll always love 90's korn, and it did kinda kick it off, but not anywhere near slipknot.@@metalheadjake3339
i don't see either as numetal really at all. maybe more early slipknot. but deftones, they're just kinda their own beautiful thing. and never had the "nu metal" sound. i don't remember anybody singing anything like chino in a heavy band before them. but a LOT after... corey being one. but that's why i hate labels, everybody wants to put things in a specific box, when it doesn't really matter. neither one will fit in a single box anyway, they're inspired by others, but both their own unique thing... or at least were til people started copying that. he brings up linkin park doing the more melodic thing, but deftones were definitely around before them. and no offense to chester, but he was no chino. damn good vocalist, but chino is just badass.
Crahan should keep his shady businessman side tf down though. That whole Knotverse thing is pretty eerie, complete with the unintentional double entendre
Totally correct premise imo. They are an extreme metal band who worked out how to have a career- and that is why they were hated by the Death/Grind scene at the time.
Yeah all these underground extreme metal fans are jealous because they want their favorite band to be famous, without realizing that, at that point, they're also now mainstream. If an underground band is to remain extreme then it has to remain playing in basements and clubs for the rest of its life.
I know what you are saying is controversial about them bringing extreme metal to the masses, but it’s honestly totally true. Slipknot had a very heavy edge in their early days.
@@dekaiaverett3265 I really can't see slipknot influences in death note op 2. Slipknot have heavy and groove riffs, What's up people's riff is fast. And the corey's guttural is more open.
15:30 Man, joey is only "loose" compared to computers. Dude is studio-player quality. That solo kick run is what an actual sick drummer who's not being quantized sounds like. Joey's linear fills around the kit were always insanely clean and had remarkably consistent velocity compared to anyone else playing that fast.
To be clear I'm not criticizing Finn's take. I do have some bad news for anyone who's so used to heavily processed drums that they think an unprocessed Joey is "sloppy" - if they knew what their favorite metal drummers actually sounded like before any post-production magic they'd probably cry
Back in the day when Slipknot debuted they were brutal AF and Iowa was even more brutal. Will always miss those early shows with Joey & Paul. Kids today will never understand how ground breaking they were. Can't even get into the newest album.
Joey helped Roadrunner do a 'best of' Deicide compilation CD years ago, including all the notes and stuff. You're right, they're definitely not death metal tourists, it runs deep within their music. For people my age (a teenager when Iowa and later, Vol. 3 came out) Slipknot were **the** gateway band into death metal, black metal and grindcore. People like myself and countless others had been flirting with metal, like Korn and Deftones but Slipknot were on another level. Hearing double bass and blast beats blew me away and I wanted more -- there had to be other bands out there I just had to discover them. At the time I was an avid user of a web forum dedicated to Slipknot which had members a few years older than me and they were the guys that introduced me to a whole new side of metal I'd never heard before -- everything from Zao, Shadows Fall and Atreyu to Lamb of God to Carcass, Darkthrone and Emperor. And the rest, as they say, is history 😂
I remember listening to it and thinking that music is never going to get much harder and that if anything, going forward, heavy music would get softer in response. I think I would have been a freshman in high school. I really don't think I've been proven wrong honestly. I've heard stuff that probably is a little harder than Slipknot but honestly it just feels like it's equally as hard but in different ways at best.
@@CeeJayThe13th I also think a big part of it is Coreys pure emotion coming out of his screams. I think there are just not many vocalists who could make it sound so raw and emotional at the same time without feeling like it all sounds similar. I don't know, to me his screams always sound different in a specific way, it's like every song is truly a different story.
BRUH ...image a poor black kid in 6th grade getting the 1st ALBUM from the mail order Columbia house out of a music mag..BRUHHHHHH!!!!!! I THOUGHT THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE RAGE OF THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IN THE USA...I said ..with groove like that ...THEY GOTTA BE BLACK...lol..shotout to the masks...lol
I can appreciate that your experience strongly influences your analysis, but those of us that grew up a few years before you can remember double-bass taking off after Van Halen's Hot For Teacher intro.
@@pirufihho yeah 100% agree. Although old Sepultura I associate with early death metal. Later they were definitely Slipknkt like. A smaller band I put there too is Chimera
Slipknot got me into this kind of music. That’s is why I cite them as my favorite band if I have to pick one. I love them and they opened my eyes to a whole world of music that I would not have know about and honestly changed my life
Sighhhhhh Joey. What a legend. He’ll be looked back on 60 years from now next to guys like Buddy Rich and Neil Peart. Sounds silly sure but just ask Stewart Copeland. Fast, intense, groovy, catchy, inventive. What an absolute pleasure Joey is to watch play. RIP #1. Everybody loves you, if only you realized it.
Lol, not a chance. Joey Jordison is... a drummer. that's it. By no means one of the GOAT. Still better than Lars though. Just a competent metal drummer who played in a once popular band, which isn't a bad thing of course.
Your take on Joey’s drumming is spot on. He was pure chaos behind the kit and his performances were unadulterated. Whereas now, everything is sample augmented/replaced and snapped to grid…
Linkin Park and Slipknot are essentially the parents for all modern metal. There's influences elsewhere but without those two bands together, nothing we know would've happened.
RIP Joey… I was at Download the year Lars took a funny turn and Joey played drums for Metallica. It was the most vicious and energetic Metallica had sounded for years. Soooo good, and Joey looked shell shocked at the end. Amazing memory to have.
Joey's drumming was definitely an eye opener for me growing up!! I remember listening to them when I was about 11 years old and being completely blown away by the double kick parts. Thinking about it now, it's pretty amazing that these extreme metal songs got to me so early in my life, thanks to bands like Slipknot, System of a Down, Avenged Sevenfold and others :-)
I went to a Mushroomhead concert without hearing anything from them. I wasn’t impressed. But then a relatively still unknown Killswitch Engage opened for them, whom I’d also not heard yet, dressed as regular dudes and completely killed it. As it turned out I became a Killswitch fan and Mushroomhead just didn’t do anything for me. When Slipknot came out I was instantly hooked. The aesthetics helped but the music was so good and fresh and that’s what really sold me. I went and told all my friends about them and then they played Ozzfest and all my friends were on board after that. Doesn’t matter who did it first, it’s all about who does it best!
I first heard and saw Killswitch Engage when they opened for Slipknot. If it wasn't Slipknot headlining, Killswitch would have stole the show. Everyone went crazy when they played The End Of Heartache.
I love how you focus on the importance of the drummer. Legitimately, drumming in metal is missing that human element and sounds exactly like what it is “processed”. People who called Joey or The Rev sloppy are out of touch with the purity of unprocessed drum tracks
To me Slipknot is one of the bands that got me into extremer styles. I kinda back paddled because of them, finding Burn my Eyes by Machine Head, Demanufacture by Fear Factory, Death, Carcass, and many more. I had a bunch of friends back then who only listened to Black and Death metal, and told them about Iowa. They weren't interested at the time, but I was being sneaky and put it on and they immediately loved it. So funny when they noticed it was Slipknot.
I want to believe im too old for Slipknot, but whenever I hear a slipknot song I still think "damn this is nice". Also that DJ/keyboard dude did a LOT for the slipknot sound
i know quite a few metalheads my age (early 30's) that don't. they don't sound quite "right", something deranged about them. frantic. i grew up with them, and love seeing them live, but it's that weird bit that's both grind-core levels of aggression combined with heartfelt feelings in memorable riffs that sound out of place for most "hard-core" metalheads. i like my grind, my death, but sometimes, i like to mix things up. sometimes, i listen to them at work. most people look at me funny when i say it's soothing. it's basically angst put on record so that you can get rid of yours. maybe it's too sensitive to some people. that said, no debate on me liking grind and death by discovering them when i was 13. i just went looking for harder and faster, but i keep coming back to them because they know their shit. what they do is damn good. not to everyone's tastes, but they know what they're doing
@@Danielfucks69 It has a few bright spots but front to back I think it's quite weak compared to their older stuff tbh. Better than The Grey Chapter at least.
You’re so right about everything in this video. Most death metal dudes who listened to this in 2000 when they were teenagers (people such as myself) are scared to admit now how influential Slipknot is/was.
Yes, they introduced extreme metal to the masses. Metallers often hate them, but even the vocalist for Kreator said he likes nu-metal since it is a gateway to extreme metal and Slipknot pretty much did that than any other nu-metal band at the time. Their earlier work is nu-metal since they have simple structure songs and lack guitar solos. Actually Jim and Mick proably wanted to add guitar solos to the songs on their s/t and Iowa albums but that was cut out by the producer Ross Robinson. This explains why on their third and then on, they started adding guitar solos with a different producer. I had no idea Joey died this year, until I seen your video. It is a shame he passed away but at least a lot of people love what he did for Slipknot.
The other producer was nine other than Rick Rubin. So the Grammys memorial didn't even feature Joey and focused hella on Taylor Hawkins death which over shadowed his. Which is a damn shame because Joey did win a Grammy for All Hope Is Gone.
I’m a sucker for their first two albums too. It’s the musical equivalent of method acting in the movies. They loved their act and it reflected in their sound. They lost that when Vol 3 came out. They became personalities starting with Corey.
Dude, I can’t imagine how you sincerely have the vast, myriad of musical knowledge that you seem to have, seemingly across all genres. I’m not doubting the fact, at all tho. More so, giving you a nod for possessing it. It’s very impressive!
Mick, Joey and Paul were the metalheads of the band. Mick is all we got now, and I got a feeling that Mick is going to be the next one to quit or be fired.
@@BlackAceKisachi Slipknot never came close to dying, you just can't except the fact they've given 100% every day since 2008. WANYK and .5 were 2 of their best records, full of emotion, pain, killer riffs, and intense lyrical content. Also keep in mind, Mick isn't the only one, Jim is the one who writes almost all of the guitar riffs, he has for a long time now, since all hope is gone. He gives his arrangements to the band for Corey, Clown and maybe Mick to change around the riffs and composition, and then Mick adds his own kick to everything, like droning guitars or heavy backing riffs. Slipknot took an immense toll after All Hope Is Gone, which the band emphasizes in their google play interview as being their most disconnected album, with really no emotional impact or care for the album. Clown specifically said he regrets the album immensely because they worked so hard on their first 3 albums, yet did All Hope is Gone which they hated, and it became their number #1 hit still by today. I don't think anyone of them are going to leave, no one from the band after 1999 has ever actually left, they were either kicked, or passed. I can tell Mick still loves the band, I think everyone does.
One of the things I've always admired about Joey and what credits his precise and innovative rhythmic style - look at what he has to work with! Not only is he mirroring the guitar riffs or adding a rhythmic plateau on which they can solidify, he is also keeping in sync with Chris and Clown on the sidebar drums, Craig's samples, and Sid's scratch patterns. A band falls apart if the rhythm section isn't cohesive and to be the platform for 8 other bandmates is no easy feat. Joey was the glue that brought order to the chaos that was Slipknot.
@Sam Who says that? It's one of their best imo. Their two most recent albums are definitely their weakest imo. Other than the odd song here or there I don't enjoy them much at all. Most of AHIG is great.
Very much appreciate you speaking the truth on bringing human feel to music, it's actually SO important, and it's a part of why a lot of music sounds so boring these days. Copy/pasting the notes across the grid, or just throwing notes across a piano roll, or the way autotune has become a standard, it all takes away from the organic essence. They did a study on digital music today compared to analogue music, and they found that people were more likely to remember the music from before the digital age. I'm pretty sure they said it's because digitalizing the music flattens all the random notches and splatters of resonance that our brains naturally pick up on as original and unique. And yeah, that was one study, and it sounds like just a "boomer" thing - but it's more than that when we can hear it ourselves.
Joey single-handedly sold me my first set of double bass pedals. Heard Slipknot for the first time around 2005 and it was a fucking revelation. Saw them live for the first time a year after that, in 10th grade, and they completely blew me away.
Alex (frontman from Slaughter to Prevail) is a HUUUGE Slipknot fan and their new album definitely reflects how big of an impact Slipknot has had, and how massive their sphere of influence is.
@@Chaz4543 I think a good majority of deathcore fans like STP but there are those few elitists that think the genre should just be breakdowns and gutturals nonstop with no melodic elements or cleans whatsoever. It's like how it was for Whitechapel when they released The Valley.
@@businesscatlimbo I noticed that youtube channels who review and react to ALL types of metal and arent metalcore and deathcore specific, gave the STP less good reviews and to me thats what youd expect to happen. Huge deathcore and metalcore fans are drooling all over it but those who like way more metal genres arent nearly as excited over it. Youre talking about elitists within the deathcore scene which I know nothing about. I prefer to look at the entire overall metal scene as a whole.
Awesome retrospective. Just gonna pull you up at 1:29 - would suggest that Pantera, Fear Factory et. al. had firmly established double kick in mainstream metal quite a few years before.
When they first hit the scene, I was just getting into metal and they were the hardest thing I had ever heard up to that point. Eventually I got into death metal, black metal, war metal etc and no longer looked at Slipknot as being very hard but they are still a great band and it is astonishing that they rose to the heights they did given the type of music they play.
The part where you spoke about Joey’s drum being considered sloppy- it remind me of how with jazz you aren’t right on the beat, but that’s how you get the feeling. Also reminds me of J Dilla’s beats, and how he wasn’t on the beat all the time and that’s why his music was so good. So basically- you’re on the nose about making it sound hum and and not robotic.
Oh man. I'm from Des Moines and I've never actually seen them, but that's going to change in September at Riot Fest. So many of the Nine inch nails fans were upset that they are their replacement. I love NIN a lot more, but I'm super excited to get to check them out, even though I only know their more accessible singles.
I love watching these videos of you explaining how bands broke through into the mainstream and solidified themselves as legends. You understand how bands effect(ed) people and you go into so much detail about how bands change typical sounding metal/punk to make it sound more appealing to the “mainstream”. I could watch you talk about how bands became superstars all day. And sometimes I do😂
Everyone lost their shit when they heard 'The Heretic Anthem' yet nobody talks about 'Vendetta' which has much longer and more prominent double-bass sections.
Slipknot choruses are extremely catchy. Their songs have familiar and great structure. And many of their songs are just great! A great band indeed. People shit on them mostly because they're famous
Yo, thanks for this video, and thanks for the real spotlight on Joey. The loss of that man is one that metal as a whole has had to endure reluctantly. The shit you said summed up my feelings, and I appreciate that. Your take on this band was great. And the blast beat in the mainstream thing... Yea, The Devil In I is a total radio hit that has those blasts in em. Straight radio play. Amazing
Ahh Finn….finally a slipknot video, pleasant surprise this morning 🤘🏻yes I’ll never forget the solo 1st time I saw it, he changed the game for sure RIP Joey
Speaking of bands that pushed genres, I would love to see a video about Korn's Path of Totality era and hear some thoughts as to why it failed to launch when, on paper at least, it had a good shot.
Love the comparisons to the other bands following Slipknots playbook! absolutely spot on and the only other person I've heard mention it. Love your videos dude!
I still remember in 99' walking through the carpark on my way to school and my boy Mason comes running over with his discman (fk yeah) and says "fuck me dude you gotta hear this shit"......instantly hooked. The intro on that first track 🤯
Good video. "The Devil in I" from "The Gray Chapter" would've been the best exemple of a song that got lots of "mainstream" radio time and contains blast beats. The assumption that Mick is/was the composer behind the death metal portions of the band is inaccurate though. Joey and Paul were the ones responsible for most of the riff writing when they were in the band (RIPx2). Jim Root is the main composer since.
Absolutely agree to the point Finn makes about the importance of the "loosnes" in Joey's drumming. Never really thought about it that way but now I guess this might be the reason why I like Slipknot more than many other metalish bands
i appreciate this video very much. i I still love this band as a 36 year old, and i was introduced to them by a friend of mine (who has since passed) at a 6th grade sleepover. we were all showing off cool and new bands we'd discovered, and my dude Josh pulled out the self-titled Slipknot CD and played it on the boom-box we were surrounding. and i was completely stunned by how scary and technical it was.
Thank you Finn, I don't really participate in the metal lifestyle outside of listening for so long, but I know almost every week you're going to put out a video that makes me think about something I'd otherwise never have pondered in any way. I really appreciate the work and thought y'all put into making these videos. Thank you!
Their first demo, MFKR really shows their death metal roots on some songs, and without Corey to bring their radio side (because he is a great frontman in that regard, whether we like it or not) you can actually see the jazz or funk influences. Do Nothing/Bitchslap is an example of a song that incorporates all of those things.
@@Hubabuba258 however Patton doesn't get all the credit, he's not the only musician or songwriter in those groups. And Bungle owes a lot to John Zorn (whom all the Bungle guys were affiliated with and have performed in projects of Zorn's)
Well Joey and the double bass... ~ crazy energy ~ that was just him!! He played just like his personality. Joey didn't care what people thought about anything he played. He played what he felt and would prove it was unbelievable. Just like growing up in Iowa. The blast beat~ well he loved Napalm Death and one of his favorite songs was "Suffer the children ' so... Damn, I could talk about this forever. Thank you
Early Slipknot instilled something in a generation that later generations of heavy music bands and fans simply don’t get: Intensity and intent in everything a band does is more important than showing off your musicianship and sounding perfectly robotic on recordings.
Well, musicianship is more important, it's music after all that you're listening to. Great musicianship is what makes an artist interesting in the first place.
This is a pretty cool video. I never really thought about how closely their influence is tied to the current scene. Huh! Great video/editing work for this kind of coverage, and great work for the content of the essay!
I used to be a HUGE Slipknot fan in the past but lost interest in their music long ago. They are one of those bands that you "overgrow" pretty quickly once you develop some kind of musical taste. It's only occasionally that you as an ex-fan might listen to their early albums or watch the shows like their performance in London. Maybe the fact that nobody speaks about this band as huge influencers on the whole "metal" scene is because their "influence" is really an overstatement? Think about it - it's not like these guys did something revolutionary musically - I doubt anynone actually listens to their songs and marvels at their riffs and solos. Yes, Joey was the best thing that happened to them musically because his presence was so crucial for what they did. And when they kicked him out, it was pretty much the end of Slipknot as we knew them in their prime. They did more on the marketing and performance side of things, yes, and that's why they get a lot of praise from this guy - I mean, he has other videos on his channel that praise bands that monetize themselves successfully (I remember the one about Periphery, for example) and one might think that these bands should be mindblowing musically but that's a rare case. I guess that's the point of this guy.. MBA does have Business in it and given how uninspiring many of today's bands are (who most likely grew up on Slipknot etc, because these new bands are kids born in the 90-s, Slaughter to Prevail is an example), when someone idealizes bands like Slipknot saying that they brought extreme metal to the mainstream, it's not that hard to see why much of today's extreme metal might sound boring - one needs to have much better inspirations than Slipknot in order to write interesting music...
I hardly listen to Slipknot anymore, but they’re the whole reason why I love extreme music to this day. If it weren’t for Slipknot, I never would’ve found Devourment, Mortician, Disgorge, Inveracity, Defeated Sanity, Disavowed, and so many other bands. And I’m sure that many others could say the same.
As a drummer myself, Joey was a very early and very significant influence when I first started really getting into metal drumming, only second to The Rev from A7X (also RIP to him). I had Joey's signature sticks, tried to purchase his signature snare and signature black Meinl cymbals, dressed up as him for Halloween one year, and there was even a point where my late friend Connor (who was also a drummer) and I tried to emulate his appearance, with the long black hair and the big forehead. The legacy and impact that he left on every metal drummer to follow him, and the respect that he earned from the entire drumming community, is completely deserved and can't be understated. But I think to say that there were no drummers with as much of an impact on double bass playing from the period between Lars' work on "One" and Slipknot's first album is a bit underinformed, because some of the names I'm about to mention were surely influences on Joey himself. Off the top of my head, some dudes who come to mind are: Raymond Herrera (Fear Factory), Tomas Haake (Meshuggah), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre), Dave Lombardo (Slayer), Danny Carey (Tool); I know there's definitely others, but those are the first ones I could think of who were known for their double bass work at the time. I'd even venture to say that especially Lombardo and Haake had a very obvious influence on Joey's playing. Let's discuss.
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Damn bro, you're focking cool as hell. I always find myself agreeing with 99.99% of your stance on things. Your Joey Jordison stance especially. Rip man. I watched this whole video. Liked👍
Good video dude.
Couple of clarifications though -
1. Lars Ulrich - yes he isn’t the most technical drummer. But with “One” - Lars inspired tonnes of drummers to try out the double bass. Which wasn’t commercially acceptable before Lars’ double bass drumming. And Joey Jordison, Brann Dailor and Mike Portnoy - all excellent and technical metal drummers - all were inspired by Lars. That said - blast beats were never commercially successful in the mainstream before Joey Jordison that’s totally true
2. Joey is much more than just a death metal drummer. The dude was one heck of a songwriter and guitarist too. Don’t forget his stints in murderdolls (horror punk), Rob zombie (industrial metal), korn and even Ministry and Satyricon (black metal)
Finn is here
Grind core no mate they classed as nu metal extreme thrash and melow death metal
People into = extreme thrash
Before I knew what the rest of Slipknot looked like, I met Joey on a bus in Vancouver BC in 2005. I thought he was just some metal head heading to the PNE Forum. He had his long black hair, black leather jacket, black Obituary shirt, black pants and black boots. I asked of he was going to see Slipknot. "Na, I gotta work in the morning. Besides, I seen them the past few times they came though. Gonna give them a break this time. (points to my first Slipknot shirt from their first album photoshoot) You a fan?". I then explained to, what I thought was some random dude, that Slipknot has been my favourite band since 1999, that I never cared what they looked like, I just enjoyed the music that soothes my soul. He thought that was awesome and the band would be glad to hear that. At my stop I tell him "Sorry you got to work in the morning" and start to head to the back door. He says "I'll see you later" as the door closed. Thought that was weird but I had to get ready for my first time seeing Slipknot. Cut to a few months later and the DVD of Roadrunner's 25th Anniversary comes out. My friend brings it over and when we get to Joey's sessions, I realized I told a founding member of Slipknot how much I love his band. RIP Joey. At least you're jamming with Paul again.
This just goes to show how cool of a guy Joey really was. What a tremendous loss.
Anyway, awesome story, man!
Thank you so much for sharing it with us :)
Bruh moment, but damn you’re lucky.
wow what a great story!!! thank you for sharing 🤘🏼
Thats so badass dude. Joey definitely helped me define my drumming though i personally haven't touched a kit in ages and feel foolish even mentioning it but fuck it. Slipknot definitely helped me get through some shit in my life. It's humbling to always see how human they still are no matter what. RIP Joey and Paul, you both are sorely missed. Cherish this memory for as long as you live bro.
thats a great story.very cool
Slipknot has been a great “beginner” metal band that got a lot of people into the music, which is why it annoys the hell out of me that metal purists treat anyone who likes their music like trash.
✋ "Cool, like em too, check these other cool metal bands"
👉 "LMAO what a poser, go listen to Justin Bieber lololol"
I think almost anyone had the same attitude for a while. Being angry kid searching some place to belong you often fall to this kind of gatekeeping attitude. Music becomes some kind of ideology when you're young. Too bad some people never grow up tho
I feel like most of those super elitist Metal purists (nerds) that refuse to give credit where it’s due are just a bunch of unhappy virgins anyway. So fuck their opinions
Ditto for Metallica
For me and my friends the first steps were Slipknot, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit when we were kids, then came all the heavy shit I like now. That's why it is so important to have huge mainstream bands, the ones that elitists hate
For some people, not liking anything that's popular is a mission in life. They are really just the other side of the coin of people who just like what's popular. It's kind of sad really that there are people who treat liking a genre as a kind of competition, but if that's your only chance to win in life, you'll take it.
As a drummer myself, I've been saying for years that Joey influenced a whole generation of drummer's.
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I started way before then myself. Most of my family are musicians, so I fell into it. Playing around with a lot of old school rock stuff, but slipknot is what got me into the heavy stuff. Before then I was pretty much consumed with prog..
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Definitely what I prefer myself, but DW has some good gear, I also like the direct drive stuff from axis too.
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As for kits, I prefer Tama myself, although Mapex is a close second. Being a huge fan of guys like Mike Portnoy, or Jason Bitner, Tama is what I like thanks to guys like that.
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When Slipknot played “The Heretic Anthem” on the Conan O’Brien Show Max Weinberg the drummer for The Conan O’Brien Show and also the drummer for Bruce Springsteen. Ran back home and told his son “Jay Weinberg” you have to check out this band that played on the show tonight. And now that kid is now playing in Slipknot. Let that sink in
I'm sure Jay was already a fan and was there..he said that and there are photo of him in Mask with Corey..
@@drspritz the pic is of jay and his dad with jim root from a show his dad took him to after they were on conan. jay was wearing a corey mask.
I was about 16 or 17 and waited up all night with a VHS tape ready to record it. So one I day I went to go pop it in for some friends and my older brother recorded over it with Skinemax softcore crap. Thing was that we had plenty of other blank tapes and I had it qued up to record more stuff but he rewinded it and taped over it. He said he accidentally ordered it while trying to figure out the password and figured he might as well record it if he was going to get in trouble for it. I'd do anything to have that recoding back again. Only copy online is super compressed and looks & sounds awful!
But sadly, the news was shocking, he was actually fired this year. And believe it or not it was true, even Slipknot post it last month.
And now Eloy casagrande is the drummer of slipknot
I definitely remember the public’s obsession with their identities. Remember the music video for Before I Forget? Having their masks off but still not showing their faces? Genius. They knew exactly what they were doing.
their personas up to the 4th album were great. obviously it fell apart on the 5th album onwards
MAINSTREAM BLAST BEATS BABY
This is the way
Mainstream Drop A tuning
new shirt?
Gotta throw SOAD in that convo
Aka, metalcore
Another thing that Joey did that a lot of people don’t notice is that he changed his drum parts slightly from verse to verse, where most drummers would play the same part. That kept things interesting.
that's how good catchy songwriting should be. Verses should be distinct from each other
THIS IS THE GOSPEL ...so true..i remember the drum fills more than the lyrics of most of the songs
The human sloppiness and raw sound is what made the "Iowa" sound, one of the most important albums in my life. The mixing is just unpolished with overdriven guitar gain, blast beats and sound of Corey screaming his lungs out. And he is one hell of a lyricist. Iowa is a masterpiece.
Great video, Finn. And Iowa is turning 20 in the next couple of days
A lot of people strangely still don't know that Iowa was recorded without a click/metronome. Hence songs pushing and pulling and not sounding "perfect."
@@kennyhouser3467 and that's rock n fuckin roll right there, or how it should be!
Exactly
Idk where you get the sloppy und unpolished part from tbh, the record sounds great and very professional to me. Much more polished than the self-titled.
Iowa is easily one of the top 5 metal albums of all time. It’s just so raw and real. There was this atmosphere that they captured on that album that can’t be produced or copied or done intentionally. It’s a masterpiece.
I've been playing drums for 17 years or so and I can attest to Joey's influence on most all metal drummers. I actually learned how to play drums from Metallica's Black album, then I learned how to play System of a Down's Toxicity album. But when I was introduced to Slipknot it just shattered my perception of what playing drums even was. I had to get a double bass pedal right away and I've never looked back. I play drums like Joey to this day (fast double bass, extra snare hits snuck in everywhere, etc...)
I even have a 7X13 TAMA Slp snare that I throw on the kit when I want to be extra Slipknot for a day bc it sounds just like his.
I am pretty new to metal, and I actually prefer a lot of slower drumming styles as I learn drumming at the ripe old age of 38…I actually like a lot of soul and funk music compared to metal, but as I explore this genre, nothing has made me want to play metal music more than the pure chaos and energy of this band. I mean, wow. I was a teenager when slipknot were first in the mainstream and I sidestepped them completely. I absolutely love that song before I forget. I recently posted on a lamb of god video and got tons of kind people offering recommendations and thoughts on what I should listen to. Any opinions, advice on slipknot would be much appreciated. This video, and this guy, loving exploring the music. Thank you! *bows*
Well it's a good thing you didn't start with st anger lol
“They were never really a Nu-Metal band”
Thank Christ for somebody agreeing with me on this for once. I hate when they get lumped into the whole “Nu-Metal” thing. Same with early Chimaira.
Spit it out is not nu metal ?
Their S/T album is definitely nu-metal, but I'd argue subsequent albums aren't. A similar thing happens with Deftones because they started gaining traction around the same time
I don't even know what to classify Chimaira as. Maybe 00s metalcore? I just don't know what they are. What I DO know is that they were badass and not mentioned nearly enough with some of the "greats" of that era. Same goes for Unearth.
@@kennyhouser3467 Chimaira was kind of a monster of different attributes during the Pass out of Existence era (much like their name suggests).
There are quite a few bouncy riffs throughout the album. But there was definitely prominent Death Metal and Groove Metal influence. Industrial thrown in there as well.
It’s really one of the most UN-Nu Metal albums I can imagine. There’s definitely KoRn influence in it, but it’s quite shadowed by the Hardcore, Deicide, Morbid Angel, Fear Factory, Slipknot influence.
@@kennyhouser3467 groove metal
I’ve been saying this for a while now, and have commented it on countless other Joey videos, but I think Joey is easily in the S tier of influential musicians, period. Not just metal, and not just drummers. Pretty much EVERYONE knows and likes Joey, especially the folks my age who were teenagers during the slipknot heyday circa the new millennium. Even if you didn’t like slipknot, you knew they had a kickass drummer. As you said in this video, Joey truly influenced an entire generation of kids to buy double bass pedals and go start a metal band.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any musician across any genre who had a greater influence on an entire generation. Maybe Hendrix, Van Halen or Cobain with guitar. I can’t think of anyone on bass, not even flea, who went on to inspire an entire generation of kids to infiltrate and reinforce an entire genre.
Whatever way you slice it, Joey is inarguably, objectively a pantheon level, S tier influential musician. The fact that his slipknot replacement, the son of another great drummer in Max goddamn Weinberg, was actually more influenced by Joey than his own father, says it all right there. All the kids born in the 80’s who went on to start drumming in metal bands were influenced by Joey in either a small or a huge way. It’s that cut and dry.
Well said!
Yeah dude my Dad is a musician but is old and doesn't really venture to different genres, especially metal but even he knew Joey and knew he was a great drummer and it had nothing to do with me.
He transcended just icon into musical hero ala Van Halen, Hendrix, Cobain. The only drummers I can think of that might have inspired more people to play are Bonham and Buddy Rich. And that's not bad company to be in.
@@theblackestvoid I would argue Joey is way more influential than Buddy Rich. Rich was big for ppl who already were drummers, and then found out about him after having already picked up the sticks; but to my knowledge he didn’t make kids want to drum-he didn’t turn non-musicians into aspiring/professional musicians the way Joey did. All due respect to Buddy, he’s an icon and a legend, obviously. Truly one of the all time greats. I just think when discussing the realm of influence, Joey honestly kind of blows him out of the water.
Buddy’s drumming isn’t all over/responsible for the drumming of the decades that succeeded him the way Joey’s is. Bonham was super influential, maybe slightly more than Joey, maybe slightly less. I’d put them in the same tier for the sake of safety. Joey is as influential as any drummer you can name, if not more influential. And I’m not even a slipknot super fan or anything, I’m just being objective and have heavily been a part of the rock/alternative/metal world for the last 15-20 years. My father is also a professional drummer, in a pretty successful metal band. They are still touring 30-40 years after their first records.
@@WinedandDined27 Damn. That's a fair argument. I still think Bonham is the most influential specifically because pretty much every famous rock drummer ever cites him as why they played and their musical hero and he transcended the genre too and he's still influencing people. But I never thought about it that way with Buddy. It's true, Buddy is influential to everyone who drums but only after they start drumming. And even if most drummers end up influenced by Buddy, it's after they drum.
Now you've convinced me that Joey is the most influential drummer since Bonham. I was saying past 25 years since Dave Grohl (and he is still influential and influencing people ie when people mention a drummer their go to is Dave Grohl) but Joey influenced drumming more and kids to play music more than he did. Joey was the last drum hero.
When i started drumming David from Korn and Dave Lombardo from Slayer were my influences but i can definitely say that when i heard Slipknot first album i was floored and yes he became an influence. I agree with this statement well said. Joey will always be a cornerstone of metal drumming as Bonham was for Hard Rock and Krupa and Rich were for Jazz. RIP Joey.
Joey actually played a big role in a lot of the guitar riff writing in the early days!
I read that Joey wrote a lot of the riffs
@@erickmazur807 Yeah that video of him jamming Sic on acoustic is a classic :D
Check out his guitar work in murderdolls. Catchy horror rock.
Murderdoll ultra underrated wooooooaw
@@User-54631 Wednesday 13 actually wrote all the murderdolls songs on their first album
I can pretend I’ve outgrown Slipknot all I want, but as soon as they announce a tour or an album I get more excited than a boomer at a Beatles show.
Dude same here and I just roll with it lol
Anyone else getting anxious for their follow up to WANYK?
@@alc3062 me!! cant wait
@@alc3062 I just hope it doesn't have any dumbass interludes or weird long interlude songs like my pain... because everything else off that album was pretty fucking good.
@@SoloDoloToker I can agree with that I'm just not as aggressive with it since like we agree the album was nice af.
I like that you mention Joey's "sloppy" drumming. Flo Mounier from Cryptopsy's drumming on None So Vile also sounds "sloppy" because he isn't using triggers, nor quantization. He tries to blast beat as fast as he possibly can and you can hear the snare hits get softer. I honestly think that missing this more human aspect of metal music is why I don't care for a lot of modern metal. It's just too overproduced and robotic to me.
DAMN RIGHT -- let me hear humans play instruments, stretching to the absolute limits of their abilities.
Agreed.. most musicians today just dont have the time it takes to be putting in all that work like their forefathers did ,theyre busy editing their vlogs
modern musicians nowadays "value their health" too much, they're scared they might sprain their feet.
Flo recorded None so Vile sick, that's also something that made the drumming sounds a bit sloppy
Yea Man, that really bored me with the scene in London, lived and played there for a couple decades, Got to work with some 'names', and the overproduction was too much
I love that this video turned into a Joey tribute. He truly deserves it. He changed the entire game and he was truly passionate about Slipknot, what the band represented and where it could go. RIP, king.
I never imagined i would still be listening to Slipknot 20 years later and more importantly i am susrprised at how good their music still is today, when most bands basically became a parody of themselves.
Jesus Christ don’t say that you’ll jinx the band and they’ll break up.
Sucks to be you .
"when most bands basically became a parody of themselves." You just described Slipknot nowadays.
took me 20 years before i really ever listened to them , never knew them till ozzfest , 2000 i think but soon as i seen them i just wondered off in crowd never reallt listened because i seen the outfits and thought how stupid, !last year i heard cory taylor do snuff live , on youtube wehich just fell in the loop or woulkd never knew, told buddy i liked the guy and he said thought you didnt like slipknot, i dont ! didnt anyway. but yea 20 year later got a new fan i guess
Absolutely agreed.
When you mentioned their death metal roots I instantly thought of Joey, Paul, and Mick being in death metal bands before Slipknot. You said everything I’ve always thought!
We definitely lost someone special with Joey. His playing was always just so mesmerising and so much fun to watch.
Slipknot and Deftones really transcended Nu Metal, and have done such great things.
Korn haven't done that bad.
The nothing was an amazing album
only took like 15 years to finally come up with another halfass decent album... i was a HUGE fan from 94 til about the time head left... and they pissed me off playing a bullshit show with nothing but their crap new songs, not even one bagpipe note. korn had a big influence, but slipknot literally changed the game. and have just now come out with a less than great album. lot of people seemed to like it too... but not for me, had to come some time. they have been getting shadier and shadier, and less and less slipknot with every couple years somebody getting kicked out or leaving now. but it's been over 20 years and for most of that they only got more and more popular. korn was big, and definitely had an influence on the whole scene. but nobody save for maybe metallica has ever really been as big as slipknot. and they didn't really change anything. propbably would have if cliff hadn't died... but korn never had a cliff or joey or corey or mick. somebody that was just way beyond anyone else, and ya kinda gotta have that. slipknot's had several, still a couple. i mean, john davis is pretty damn unique. but talent wise, corey blows him away. lemmy pulled it off, but he is god so that kinda helped.@@metalheadjake3339
korn was even radio friendly, a bit... pretty sure they even got some play around here in tennessee back in the day, but never slipknot. definitely way more mtv attention, when they still played videos. and they've still done way more. i'll always love 90's korn, and it did kinda kick it off, but not anywhere near slipknot.@@metalheadjake3339
i don't see either as numetal really at all. maybe more early slipknot. but deftones, they're just kinda their own beautiful thing. and never had the "nu metal" sound. i don't remember anybody singing anything like chino in a heavy band before them. but a LOT after... corey being one. but that's why i hate labels, everybody wants to put things in a specific box, when it doesn't really matter. neither one will fit in a single box anyway, they're inspired by others, but both their own unique thing... or at least were til people started copying that. he brings up linkin park doing the more melodic thing, but deftones were definitely around before them. and no offense to chester, but he was no chino. damn good vocalist, but chino is just badass.
Crahan should keep his shady businessman side tf down though. That whole Knotverse thing is pretty eerie, complete with the unintentional double entendre
Hearing double kicks for the first time when I was younger literally blew my mind! Life changing! Slipknot was definitely a huge part of that.
Same . But One by Metallica was my first double kick . Like most people haha
Totally correct premise imo. They are an extreme metal band who worked out how to have a career- and that is why they were hated by the Death/Grind scene at the time.
Yeah all these underground extreme metal fans are jealous because they want their favorite band to be famous, without realizing that, at that point, they're also now mainstream. If an underground band is to remain extreme then it has to remain playing in basements and clubs for the rest of its life.
I know what you are saying is controversial about them bringing extreme metal to the masses, but it’s honestly totally true. Slipknot had a very heavy edge in their early days.
Many people never talk about that first hiatus as well. They dropped two of the heaviest albums and then disappeared lol
Also Death Note opening 2 sounds like Slipknot
@@dekaiaverett3265 No. Death Note Opening 2 sounds like Pluck by System of a Down, from their first album.
@@dekaiaverett3265 I really can't see slipknot influences in death note op 2. Slipknot have heavy and groove riffs, What's up people's riff is fast. And the corey's guttural is more open.
15:30 Man, joey is only "loose" compared to computers. Dude is studio-player quality. That solo kick run is what an actual sick drummer who's not being quantized sounds like. Joey's linear fills around the kit were always insanely clean and had remarkably consistent velocity compared to anyone else playing that fast.
To be clear I'm not criticizing Finn's take. I do have some bad news for anyone who's so used to heavily processed drums that they think an unprocessed Joey is "sloppy" - if they knew what their favorite metal drummers actually sounded like before any post-production magic they'd probably cry
Exactly
everything being quantized these days definitely hurts my enjoyment of music. I dont like music to be perfectly sterile
The Rick Beato Before I Forget episode just released absolute shows this when he solos the drums and he talks about it.
At 15:40 that fill is actually a direct homage to Slayer’s Dave Lombardo’s fill in Angel of Death.
Back in the day when Slipknot debuted they were brutal AF and Iowa was even more brutal. Will always miss those early shows with Joey & Paul. Kids today will never understand how ground breaking they were. Can't even get into the newest album.
I felt like the newest album was a great return to their roots. At least half of it.
Joey helped Roadrunner do a 'best of' Deicide compilation CD years ago, including all the notes and stuff. You're right, they're definitely not death metal tourists, it runs deep within their music. For people my age (a teenager when Iowa and later, Vol. 3 came out) Slipknot were **the** gateway band into death metal, black metal and grindcore.
People like myself and countless others had been flirting with metal, like Korn and Deftones but Slipknot were on another level. Hearing double bass and blast beats blew me away and I wanted more -- there had to be other bands out there I just had to discover them.
At the time I was an avid user of a web forum dedicated to Slipknot which had members a few years older than me and they were the guys that introduced me to a whole new side of metal I'd never heard before -- everything from Zao, Shadows Fall and Atreyu to Lamb of God to Carcass, Darkthrone and Emperor. And the rest, as they say, is history 😂
As a 25 year-old, I can attest to the fact that Slipknot was a MASSIVE influence on my generation of metal fans.
I'll never forget the first time I heard "sic." I didn't know music could be that brutal. I felt naughty for listening to it.
I remember listening to it and thinking that music is never going to get much harder and that if anything, going forward, heavy music would get softer in response. I think I would have been a freshman in high school. I really don't think I've been proven wrong honestly. I've heard stuff that probably is a little harder than Slipknot but honestly it just feels like it's equally as hard but in different ways at best.
@@CeeJayThe13th I also think a big part of it is Coreys pure emotion coming out of his screams. I think there are just not many vocalists who could make it sound so raw and emotional at the same time without feeling like it all sounds similar. I don't know, to me his screams always sound different in a specific way, it's like every song is truly a different story.
BRUH ...image a poor black kid in 6th grade getting the 1st ALBUM from the mail order Columbia house out of a music mag..BRUHHHHHH!!!!!! I THOUGHT THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE RAGE OF THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IN THE USA...I said ..with groove like that ...THEY GOTTA BE BLACK...lol..shotout to the masks...lol
@@maticlee8535 "where's Chuck D when your need him?"
Man, The Rev and Joey were some of the greatest drummers to exist. I wish Jimmy was still alive to grace us with his creativity.
I LOVE slipknot so much, it holds such an important place in my heart, probably because my dad absolutely LOVED KoRn, Pantera, Metallica etc.
I can appreciate that your experience strongly influences your analysis, but those of us that grew up a few years before you can remember double-bass taking off after Van Halen's Hot For Teacher intro.
I always aligned Slipknot with bands like Pantera. Metal that was able to grab people with hooks and heavy riffs.
Also sepultura had that tribal drum/riff patterns
@@pirufihho yeah 100% agree. Although old Sepultura I associate with early death metal. Later they were definitely Slipknkt like. A smaller band I put there too is Chimera
@@ChaosandComics Man I miss Chimaira.
Slipknot got me into this kind of music. That’s is why I cite them as my favorite band if I have to pick one. I love them and they opened my eyes to a whole world of music that I would not have know about and honestly changed my life
Same here. I almost exclusively listen to black metal now after hearing Slipknot 5 years ago!
Sighhhhhh Joey. What a legend. He’ll be looked back on 60 years from now next to guys like Buddy Rich and Neil Peart. Sounds silly sure but just ask Stewart Copeland. Fast, intense, groovy, catchy, inventive. What an absolute pleasure Joey is to watch play. RIP #1. Everybody loves you, if only you realized it.
Buddy Rich is the 🐐. That one drum solo on TH-cam when he sweats all over his kit.. man what a solo
He was great but definitely not on the same level as Buddy
Lol, not a chance. Joey Jordison is... a drummer. that's it. By no means one of the GOAT. Still better than Lars though. Just a competent metal drummer who played in a once popular band, which isn't a bad thing of course.
@@dannyboy6106 Ginger Baker had a better left foot.
Your take on Joey’s drumming is spot on. He was pure chaos behind the kit and his performances were unadulterated. Whereas now, everything is sample augmented/replaced and snapped to grid…
I love Slipknot. IDGAF what metalhead elitists say. I 100% agree with what you stated in the video.
Yea ok 😂
"throwing a drum set down a flight of stairs, but in a cool way" has to be the most accurate and hilarious thing I've heard.😂
Supreme analogy lol i actually laughed out loud when he said that
Linkin Park and Slipknot are essentially the parents for all modern metal. There's influences elsewhere but without those two bands together, nothing we know would've happened.
I never thought about it that way but you have a strong point. Their influence is everywhere
Never got Linkin Park, not now, not ever. Saw them on Ozzfest with Slipknot and I just don't get it.
Linkin Park is not influential to metal, because they're not even close to metal.
@@blackphillip8486 congrats on your inability to understand one of the most influential bands of all time?
@@boyman7823 they’re definitely nu metal and they inspired an entire generation.
Finn thank you for giving slipknot their flowers. Definitely hit the nail on the head consistently through this video. Much love bro.
RIP Joey… I was at Download the year Lars took a funny turn and Joey played drums for Metallica. It was the most vicious and energetic Metallica had sounded for years. Soooo good, and Joey looked shell shocked at the end. Amazing memory to have.
The Joey, Rev, Lombardo connection is spot on. All 3 play with a degree of chaos that makes them so much more compelling.
"the perfection is actually boring" hell yeah damn right
Drummer John Bonham was perfect imperfection aswell, no wonder I listen both Led Zepplin and Slipknot.
That is my problem with eloy, so perfect that the drums lose that dirty feeling
Joey's drumming was definitely an eye opener for me growing up!! I remember listening to them when I was about 11 years old and being completely blown away by the double kick parts. Thinking about it now, it's pretty amazing that these extreme metal songs got to me so early in my life, thanks to bands like Slipknot, System of a Down, Avenged Sevenfold and others :-)
I went to a Mushroomhead concert without hearing anything from them. I wasn’t impressed. But then a relatively still unknown Killswitch Engage opened for them, whom I’d also not heard yet, dressed as regular dudes and completely killed it. As it turned out I became a Killswitch fan and Mushroomhead just didn’t do anything for me. When Slipknot came out I was instantly hooked. The aesthetics helped but the music was so good and fresh and that’s what really sold me. I went and told all my friends about them and then they played Ozzfest and all my friends were on board after that. Doesn’t matter who did it first, it’s all about who does it best!
I first heard and saw Killswitch Engage when they opened for Slipknot. If it wasn't Slipknot headlining, Killswitch would have stole the show. Everyone went crazy when they played The End Of Heartache.
Killswitch is amazing and dont get enough credit
Don’t say “aEsThEtIcS”
I love how you focus on the importance of the drummer. Legitimately, drumming in metal is missing that human element and sounds exactly like what it is “processed”. People who called Joey or The Rev sloppy are out of touch with the purity of unprocessed drum tracks
To me Slipknot is one of the bands that got me into extremer styles. I kinda back paddled because of them, finding Burn my Eyes by Machine Head, Demanufacture by Fear Factory, Death, Carcass, and many more. I had a bunch of friends back then who only listened to Black and Death metal, and told them about Iowa. They weren't interested at the time, but I was being sneaky and put it on and they immediately loved it. So funny when they noticed it was Slipknot.
“I’m aware mushroomhead did masks first.”
GWAR HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
Mr. Bungle
Slipknot took it from Mr Bungle.
Joey Even said that Mr Bungle was his favorite band.
Gwar did it all, still does. IMO the most underrated band around.
@@Richtigash what about The Residents? who have been doing it since the 70s.
Yeah except Gwar really, really sucks lol
I want to believe im too old for Slipknot, but whenever I hear a slipknot song I still think "damn this is nice".
Also that DJ/keyboard dude did a LOT for the slipknot sound
Nobody is ever too old for Slipknot.
Why would you ever think you're too old to listen to a metal band lol if you enjoy their music then listen to it 🤷♂️
Sid. That's why I'm surprised he wasn't talked about in this video.
DJ and keyboard are to different members. Sid and Craig respectively. Though they both helped out immensely with giving slipknot their own sound.
I don't like Slipknot. I never have. The more I learn about them the more I respect what they did. Great video.
Their latest album is phenomenal.
i know quite a few metalheads my age (early 30's) that don't. they don't sound quite "right", something deranged about them. frantic. i grew up with them, and love seeing them live, but it's that weird bit that's both grind-core levels of aggression combined with heartfelt feelings in memorable riffs that sound out of place for most "hard-core" metalheads. i like my grind, my death, but sometimes, i like to mix things up.
sometimes, i listen to them at work. most people look at me funny when i say it's soothing. it's basically angst put on record so that you can get rid of yours. maybe it's too sensitive to some people. that said, no debate on me liking grind and death by discovering them when i was 13. i just went looking for harder and faster, but i keep coming back to them because they know their shit. what they do is damn good. not to everyone's tastes, but they know what they're doing
@@Danielfucks69 It has a few bright spots but front to back I think it's quite weak compared to their older stuff tbh. Better than The Grey Chapter at least.
You’re so right about everything in this video. Most death metal dudes who listened to this in 2000 when they were teenagers (people such as myself) are scared to admit now how influential Slipknot is/was.
Yes, they introduced extreme metal to the masses. Metallers often hate them, but even the vocalist for Kreator said he likes nu-metal since it is a gateway to extreme metal and Slipknot pretty much did that than any other nu-metal band at the time.
Their earlier work is nu-metal since they have simple structure songs and lack guitar solos. Actually Jim and Mick proably wanted to add guitar solos to the songs on their s/t and Iowa albums but that was cut out by the producer Ross Robinson. This explains why on their third and then on, they started adding guitar solos with a different producer.
I had no idea Joey died this year, until I seen your video. It is a shame he passed away but at least a lot of people love what he did for Slipknot.
The other producer was nine other than Rick Rubin. So the Grammys memorial didn't even feature Joey and focused hella on Taylor Hawkins death which over shadowed his. Which is a damn shame because Joey did win a Grammy for All Hope Is Gone.
R.I.P Joey. Slipknot drummer
Murderdolls guitarist
I will always love those first two official albums. They both still get regular play here. Elitists can just go ahead and continue being miserable.
To be honest, younger "elitists" actually really love slipknot for the most part. It's the older crowd that typically has the issue lol
I still think vol 3 is one of the great rock albums of the century. It's an absolute album, feels like it has a story with a beginning and end.
I’m a sucker for their first two albums too. It’s the musical equivalent of method acting in the movies. They loved their act and it reflected in their sound. They lost that when Vol 3 came out. They became personalities starting with Corey.
i really like the raw sound production of the first two album, feels very authentic.
Corey's neck and vocal definitely helps it lol
“They were never nu metal. They’ve done so much for extreme metal”
Be careful you just triggered the entirety of reddit
Only the idiots who don't know metal.
Who cares what genre they are as long as they’re good. And Slipknot are great.
Yeah they marked me for poser in one of the subreddits couse i said Sliknot is metal
@@korpelankimmo7188 wtf. Fuck that elitist shit 😂
@@ChristopherJames1993 you can call it soft metal.
Dude, I can’t imagine how you sincerely have the vast, myriad of musical knowledge that you seem to have, seemingly across all genres.
I’m not doubting the fact, at all tho. More so, giving you a nod for possessing it. It’s very impressive!
Majority of music was written by Joey and Paul, easily the 2 most important members of Slipknot
Mick, Joey and Paul were the metalheads of the band. Mick is all we got now, and I got a feeling that Mick is going to be the next one to quit or be fired.
Slipknot died after all hope is gone
@@BlackAceKisachi Slipknot never came close to dying, you just can't except the fact they've given 100% every day since 2008. WANYK and .5 were 2 of their best records, full of emotion, pain, killer riffs, and intense lyrical content. Also keep in mind, Mick isn't the only one, Jim is the one who writes almost all of the guitar riffs, he has for a long time now, since all hope is gone. He gives his arrangements to the band for Corey, Clown and maybe Mick to change around the riffs and composition, and then Mick adds his own kick to everything, like droning guitars or heavy backing riffs. Slipknot took an immense toll after All Hope Is Gone, which the band emphasizes in their google play interview as being their most disconnected album, with really no emotional impact or care for the album. Clown specifically said he regrets the album immensely because they worked so hard on their first 3 albums, yet did All Hope is Gone which they hated, and it became their number #1 hit still by today. I don't think anyone of them are going to leave, no one from the band after 1999 has ever actually left, they were either kicked, or passed. I can tell Mick still loves the band, I think everyone does.
Excuse me sir......Shawn (Clown)
One of the things I've always admired about Joey and what credits his precise and innovative rhythmic style - look at what he has to work with! Not only is he mirroring the guitar riffs or adding a rhythmic plateau on which they can solidify, he is also keeping in sync with Chris and Clown on the sidebar drums, Craig's samples, and Sid's scratch patterns. A band falls apart if the rhythm section isn't cohesive and to be the platform for 8 other bandmates is no easy feat. Joey was the glue that brought order to the chaos that was Slipknot.
Psychosocial gets shit on a lot but that breakdown was definitely influential.
That whole album is way to under rated. If it had any other bands name on it, it would of been seen in a different light
Psychosocial is a great song, it's just overplayed
@@kainslance The title track 'All Hope Is Gone' is harder than most dedicated extreme metal bands out there.
@Sam Who says that? It's one of their best imo. Their two most recent albums are definitely their weakest imo. Other than the odd song here or there I don't enjoy them much at all. Most of AHIG is great.
@@kainslance it has the best production of all of their albums to date. joey’s drums were just furious and sliced through everything
Very much appreciate you speaking the truth on bringing human feel to music, it's actually SO important, and it's a part of why a lot of music sounds so boring these days. Copy/pasting the notes across the grid, or just throwing notes across a piano roll, or the way autotune has become a standard, it all takes away from the organic essence. They did a study on digital music today compared to analogue music, and they found that people were more likely to remember the music from before the digital age. I'm pretty sure they said it's because digitalizing the music flattens all the random notches and splatters of resonance that our brains naturally pick up on as original and unique. And yeah, that was one study, and it sounds like just a "boomer" thing - but it's more than that when we can hear it ourselves.
Joey single-handedly sold me my first set of double bass pedals. Heard Slipknot for the first time around 2005 and it was a fucking revelation. Saw them live for the first time a year after that, in 10th grade, and they completely blew me away.
Alex (frontman from Slaughter to Prevail) is a HUUUGE Slipknot fan and their new album definitely reflects how big of an impact Slipknot has had, and how massive their sphere of influence is.
The new album is literally just heavier Iowa, and I love it.
Is he getting any credit though or are gatekeeprs still drooling over shit like Deafheaven ?
@@Chaz4543 hey new deafheaven is solid as fuck but no one can deny slipknots influence
@@Chaz4543 I think a good majority of deathcore fans like STP but there are those few elitists that think the genre should just be breakdowns and gutturals nonstop with no melodic elements or cleans whatsoever. It's like how it was for Whitechapel when they released The Valley.
@@businesscatlimbo I noticed that youtube channels who review and react to ALL types of metal and arent metalcore and deathcore specific, gave the STP less good reviews and to me thats what youd expect to happen. Huge deathcore and metalcore fans are drooling all over it but those who like way more metal genres arent nearly as excited over it. Youre talking about elitists within the deathcore scene which I know nothing about. I prefer to look at the entire overall metal scene as a whole.
Their live shows back in the day between 99-05 was absolute madness. I am so glad that I was able to catch them live in 02.
Forever a great memory.
Yup, I definitely remember having multiple "I don't need no double bass" conversations back in the high school days🤣🤣🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️🗝️
"how lars looked, but joey was actually playing that" dude, spot on lol
Awesome retrospective. Just gonna pull you up at 1:29 - would suggest that Pantera, Fear Factory et. al. had firmly established double kick in mainstream metal quite a few years before.
I played mostly softer rock stuff, and my drumming style was more jazz than anything else, and I still bought a double-bass pedal because of Slipknot.
The first slipknot album hits harder than most Deathmetal albums
True
I never understood why death metal has this preference for shitty production that makes everything sound so much less heavy
I disagree tbh but damn that first album always make me bust one
@@foosdontcry 😂😂
@@Witheld nobody knows or cares about mfkr, there's not a good song on there, it's not really spliknot 😂
When they first hit the scene, I was just getting into metal and they were the hardest thing I had ever heard up to that point. Eventually I got into death metal, black metal, war metal etc and no longer looked at Slipknot as being very hard but they are still a great band and it is astonishing that they rose to the heights they did given the type of music they play.
Slipknot definitely was my gateway drug into death and black metal, great video!
That "sloppiness" is a specific rudiment in drumming. Fucking awesome.
The part where you spoke about Joey’s drum being considered sloppy- it remind me of how with jazz you aren’t right on the beat, but that’s how you get the feeling.
Also reminds me of J Dilla’s beats, and how he wasn’t on the beat all the time and that’s why his music was so good.
So basically- you’re on the nose about making it sound hum and and not robotic.
100%
I thought of J Dilla too- how he was ‘humanizing’ his MPC by playing the beats ‘live’ instead of just looping them and quantizing them.
Oh man. I'm from Des Moines and I've never actually seen them, but that's going to change in September at Riot Fest. So many of the Nine inch nails fans were upset that they are their replacement. I love NIN a lot more, but I'm super excited to get to check them out, even though I only know their more accessible singles.
24 minutes of pure accuracy. You really nailed this one on the head, Finn!
I love watching these videos of you explaining how bands broke through into the mainstream and solidified themselves as legends. You understand how bands effect(ed) people and you go into so much detail about how bands change typical sounding metal/punk to make it sound more appealing to the “mainstream”. I could watch you talk about how bands became superstars all day. And sometimes I do😂
love the joey jordison shout outs!, he was the man
After his departure I’ve never seen someone talk to Joey in a good way anymore. Good god this video has to be a tribute.
Heretic Anthem is one of the best double bass tracks of all time.
Orphan is Heretic Anthem pt 2
the little kid Joey saw as his successor put out a cover that reminds me how brutal this song is th-cam.com/video/_lBA7GZskH0/w-d-xo.html
Everyone lost their shit when they heard 'The Heretic Anthem' yet nobody talks about 'Vendetta' which has much longer and more prominent double-bass sections.
Angel of Death is the most influential fast double bass track of all time.
great video Finn!
Slipknot choruses are extremely catchy. Their songs have familiar and great structure. And many of their songs are just great! A great band indeed. People shit on them mostly because they're famous
Joey and the rev were the reason I bought my first drum set and double bass 🙏🏻
Yo, thanks for this video, and thanks for the real spotlight on Joey. The loss of that man is one that metal as a whole has had to endure reluctantly. The shit you said summed up my feelings, and I appreciate that. Your take on this band was great.
And the blast beat in the mainstream thing... Yea, The Devil In I is a total radio hit that has those blasts in em. Straight radio play. Amazing
Ahh Finn….finally a slipknot video, pleasant surprise this morning 🤘🏻yes I’ll never forget the solo 1st time I saw it, he changed the game for sure RIP Joey
Hopefully this one won’t get blocked like “how slipknot got big”
Speaking of bands that pushed genres, I would love to see a video about Korn's Path of Totality era and hear some thoughts as to why it failed to launch when, on paper at least, it had a good shot.
Love the comparisons to the other bands following Slipknots playbook! absolutely spot on and the only other person I've heard mention it. Love your videos dude!
I still remember in 99' walking through the carpark on my way to school and my boy Mason comes running over with his discman (fk yeah) and says "fuck me dude you gotta hear this shit"......instantly hooked.
The intro on that first track 🤯
Good video. "The Devil in I" from "The Gray Chapter" would've been the best exemple of a song that got lots of "mainstream" radio time and contains blast beats.
The assumption that Mick is/was the composer behind the death metal portions of the band is inaccurate though. Joey and Paul were the ones responsible for most of the riff writing when they were in the band (RIPx2). Jim Root is the main composer since.
Absolutely agree to the point Finn makes about the importance of the "loosnes" in Joey's drumming. Never really thought about it that way but now I guess this might be the reason why I like Slipknot more than many other metalish bands
You kinda brought up an unpopular opinion I’ve been defending for years : slipknot anticipated deathcore especially with Iowa
Honestly tho like listen to to songs like The Shape and New Abortion of Iowa and tell me those songs didn't have some heavy influence
Alex Terrible the singer of Slaughter to Prevail has said that Slipknot is one of his biggest influences if I'm not mistaken.
i appreciate this video very much. i I still love this band as a 36 year old, and i was introduced to them by a friend of mine (who has since passed) at a 6th grade sleepover. we were all showing off cool and new bands we'd discovered, and my dude Josh pulled out the self-titled Slipknot CD and played it on the boom-box we were surrounding. and i was completely stunned by how scary and technical it was.
Thank you Finn, I don't really participate in the metal lifestyle outside of listening for so long, but I know almost every week you're going to put out a video that makes me think about something I'd otherwise never have pondered in any way. I really appreciate the work and thought y'all put into making these videos. Thank you!
I always thought the riff to All Hope is Gone was bordering on death metal. Love this take on them
Their first demo, MFKR really shows their death metal roots on some songs, and without Corey to bring their radio side (because he is a great frontman in that regard, whether we like it or not) you can actually see the jazz or funk influences. Do Nothing/Bitchslap is an example of a song that incorporates all of those things.
Should be noted that they hired Corey(in a sex shop) and pushed Anders to percussion for exactly this reason, they wanted a charismatic frontman.
Do Nothing/Bitchslap is one song that overtly demonstrates the influence of Mr Bungle on Slipknot
@@oceanmachine1906 Totally! Mike Patton's early works deserve more credits than they do.
@@Hubabuba258 however Patton doesn't get all the credit, he's not the only musician or songwriter in those groups. And Bungle owes a lot to John Zorn (whom all the Bungle guys were affiliated with and have performed in projects of Zorn's)
Well Joey and the double bass... ~ crazy energy ~ that was just him!! He played just like his personality. Joey didn't care what people thought about anything he played. He played what he felt and would prove it was unbelievable. Just like growing up in Iowa. The blast beat~ well he loved Napalm Death and one of his favorite songs was "Suffer the children ' so... Damn, I could talk about this forever. Thank you
9:06 i so true. They were just put in the nu-metal genre without really being nu-metal. Only really in selftitled
Early Slipknot instilled something in a generation that later generations of heavy music bands and fans simply don’t get: Intensity and intent in everything a band does is more important than showing off your musicianship and sounding perfectly robotic on recordings.
Well, musicianship is more important, it's music after all that you're listening to. Great musicianship is what makes an artist interesting in the first place.
This is a pretty cool video. I never really thought about how closely their influence is tied to the current scene. Huh! Great video/editing work for this kind of coverage, and great work for the content of the essay!
Because no one talks about them this way. Really appreciate that Finn is bringing attention to this.
Thank you!
I used to be a HUGE Slipknot fan in the past but lost interest in their music long ago. They are one of those bands that you "overgrow" pretty quickly once you develop some kind of musical taste. It's only occasionally that you as an ex-fan might listen to their early albums or watch the shows like their performance in London. Maybe the fact that nobody speaks about this band as huge influencers on the whole "metal" scene is because their "influence" is really an overstatement? Think about it - it's not like these guys did something revolutionary musically - I doubt anynone actually listens to their songs and marvels at their riffs and solos. Yes, Joey was the best thing that happened to them musically because his presence was so crucial for what they did. And when they kicked him out, it was pretty much the end of Slipknot as we knew them in their prime.
They did more on the marketing and performance side of things, yes, and that's why they get a lot of praise from this guy - I mean, he has other videos on his channel that praise bands that monetize themselves successfully (I remember the one about Periphery, for example) and one might think that these bands should be mindblowing musically but that's a rare case. I guess that's the point of this guy.. MBA does have Business in it and given how uninspiring many of today's bands are (who most likely grew up on Slipknot etc, because these new bands are kids born in the 90-s, Slaughter to Prevail is an example), when someone idealizes bands like Slipknot saying that they brought extreme metal to the mainstream, it's not that hard to see why much of today's extreme metal might sound boring - one needs to have much better inspirations than Slipknot in order to write interesting music...
I hardly listen to Slipknot anymore, but they’re the whole reason why I love extreme music to this day. If it weren’t for Slipknot, I never would’ve found Devourment, Mortician, Disgorge, Inveracity, Defeated Sanity, Disavowed, and so many other bands. And I’m sure that many others could say the same.
Inveracity? You are a scholar of death metal and a gentleman.
i got into metal through deftones so i never got that far but this is definitely a point. they are very extreme for a radio band.
As a drummer myself, Joey was a very early and very significant influence when I first started really getting into metal drumming, only second to The Rev from A7X (also RIP to him). I had Joey's signature sticks, tried to purchase his signature snare and signature black Meinl cymbals, dressed up as him for Halloween one year, and there was even a point where my late friend Connor (who was also a drummer) and I tried to emulate his appearance, with the long black hair and the big forehead. The legacy and impact that he left on every metal drummer to follow him, and the respect that he earned from the entire drumming community, is completely deserved and can't be understated.
But I think to say that there were no drummers with as much of an impact on double bass playing from the period between Lars' work on "One" and Slipknot's first album is a bit underinformed, because some of the names I'm about to mention were surely influences on Joey himself. Off the top of my head, some dudes who come to mind are: Raymond Herrera (Fear Factory), Tomas Haake (Meshuggah), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theatre), Dave Lombardo (Slayer), Danny Carey (Tool); I know there's definitely others, but those are the first ones I could think of who were known for their double bass work at the time. I'd even venture to say that especially Lombardo and Haake had a very obvious influence on Joey's playing. Let's discuss.