Actually, I've found that the higher income areas tip less. I've gotten the biggest tips from lower income apartments. The richer people seem to be stingier with their money.
same. delivered a stack today, one to a clearly middle class neighborhood and one to a clearly wealthy neighborhood… got a $6 tip from the middle class and a $2 from the rich. 🙄
@@Moore.Driven same here I deliver in Destin in the expensive high rise condo area I've done the St Augustine region and a few other high income areas in NJ and the Carolinas
I do doordash and uber eats on weekends as supplemental income. I do Friday after work 5pm to 10 pm. Then Saturday and Sunday 11 am to about 7 pm. I do this in the town I grew up in. I know the town inside and out. It's also a pretty rich town. I live 12 miles away from the town I grew up in, so I travel to that area to deliver. It's worth it. I make about 500 to 550 every weekend. They tip big in that area. It's definitely worth going to upper class areas.
In my market, over half the restaurants I accept keep me standing around waiting for food. Burger King, Wendy’s, and Popeye’s and Walmart are automatically declined because of excessive wait times. I also decline orders that are 10 miles or more, which I seem to get all the time. My acceptance rate is in the 20’s but I’m not taking garbage orders.
As much as I love multiapping. I only use two at the moment. If I tried more I know I can’t mentally handle it. Soon I will be ready but right now little by little.
@@Moore.Driven I'm an Uber Eats driver just starting to multi-app. Here is how Uber Eats works. They do not penalize you, but you do get reviewed by the customers. Enough bad reviews can get you deactivated, but that standard is very difficult to hit. Basically, the penalty can come from the customers but will not come from Uber. However, Uber Eats does slow down from time to time when your acceptance rate is below 70%
Well done my brother. I like how you show yourself making the $1000 in your Fri, Sat, Sun videos first, and then breaking down the tips and strategies after because we can see that the tips and strategies that youre giving to us truly do work.You do a great job of breaking things down in to simple terms so people here can make sense of it! Im in Vegas myself, where its always crazy busy for the most part. I work my regular area daily, a wealthier part of town where tips are usually good. Keep up the good work man, and im enjoying the content!! -- Josh, Vegas --
Blake: either you are timely with GH or they’re treating you differently. If I multi app and don’t get to a GH pickup within 10-15 minutes they unassign the order. While I was trying to find an impossible apartment for DD, GH did it again today. That’s at least three times that’s happened. BTW you are more talented than you think you are. When all three apps are pinging and I’m driving, I have every kind of bad thing happen short of crashing. Trips don’t mesh the way I thought they would, some restaurant takes too long, the GH map is waaayyy off from what I thought I was agreeing to. Sensory overload with way too much going on. Maybe, possibly, with years of deliveries, it might work a little better, but right now, keeping all three running and never pausing is a recipe for disaster for me.
Grubhub in my market is the same, if I accept a GH order after 5 minutes or less they start messaging me that I've accepted an order but I'm not moving toward the pickup location. At 10 minutes they unassigned the order and penalize me. Three times now they wait until I turn into the restaurant driveway and I'm actually there but they unassign the order.
GH is typically very bad to their drivers. I always start with a GH order and work with DD and UE AROUND the GH order. Uber almost welcomes multi-apping so if I can take a little longer to pick up my Uber order in order to pick up a GH order first I’ll do that. ALSO really focus on what restaurant it gives you. If I get a Buffalo Wild Wings I know I have an extra 20 minutes to pick up literally anything else.
In my area, it's pretty large so multi-apping is really tricky. Also, what happens if one of your orders you accepted requires you to wait at the restaurant? I hate to un-assign orders unless things go really sideways.. It's bad for the dasher, bad for the customer, and also drops your problem onto another dasher.
I found a Mexican restaurant at night stays open 24hrs and usually tip well and most deliveries as yay close to that area. Always go to a favorite gem of a cash cow when you find one
If I use three apps at the same time it will be the biggest disaster ever , I used two before in a busy area just to see what happens and it happened ..anxiety and high blood pressure at the same time
I was running two apps the other day and had gotten two really good orders. But one of the stores had a really long line and I ended up getting a violation on door dash
You’ve got to know when to hit the arrived and confirmed button between going to and or passing restaurants. say you have a steakhouse order and a McDonald’s order both going to the same area if possible while you’re passing the steakhouse to the McDonald’s order, click arrived at the steakhouse. Let them finish preparing the order while you pick up the McDonald’s order, the McDonald’s order will be ready sooner grab the McDonald’s order, then grab the steakhouse order and go . Use the grace periods to ur advantage
isn't it dangerous to keep the apps on all the time? you could get one order and go E but the other order will take you W. I turn on the apps when I'm about a minute from the drop off location.
I multi app between doordash and uber eats. With the price of gas no way am i only delivering 1 order at a time. Those days are gone!!!! Sometimes i have up to 4 orders in my car for one trip. Usually 2 or more. Doordash is the important one here, make sure you deliver first otherwise they ding you iv been able to keep that score at 91. Its a challenge to master but one you do you can make good money in only a few hours. The truth is, only 7% of uber eats orders here in Vegas are worth picking up. And around 22% on doordash. Those are my stats the rest of the orders i throw out the window. I love it when they expect a dasher to drive 10 miles for 2.50$. Ill let another sucker pick that up.
This is a random question... For the grocery pickups, in Doordash, have you noticed it will indicate "8 items" and it will actually be 50 bags of groceries? Is there a work around?
I think 8 items can mean 8 different things, but there may be more of each of those things. Confusing to hear, but if someone gets 40 cans of beans it may register as only 1 item because it’s that specific can. This is just a guess, I am not 100% sure.
So like instacart will say full service order 23 items 60 units these are usually very good and tip well many time it's multiples of produce 6 apples pears bananas etc and 4 of each yogurt orders
Does anyone else have this problem? The city about 15 mins north of me is a richer area, but the delivery zone cuts the city in half. The restaurants are in the bottom zone, while a majority of the houses are the in top zone. Can I select to dash in the top zone while still getting orders from the restaurants in the bottom zone?
Got deactivated from door dash after 3 weeks for fraud. I have no idea what I did wrong because I only did what I was supposed to do. I can only assume someone lied somewhere and I had to take the blame.
Some of this is good advice. Some of it is terrible. Don’t risk contract violation for any per hour rate. It’s not worth it to lose access to the platform you use to make money.
Hi Blake, I was hoping you could give some insight about insurance. I recently came across your videos and I also just recently bought my first car. From speaking to several insurance companies it seems like nobody wants to cover you if you do food delivery. I read that most people don't disclose that they do delivery to their insurance, but I don't want to take any chances. I was hoping to do this part time on top of my full time work, but it seems impossible
@@Moore.Driven wow that sounds crazy! I though that driving 30 miles to get there was not a great idea, but I’m down to try it out. I honestly trust you and your videos man! Your freaking killing it!
What I commonly say Blake I appreciate your insight is that I get stuck on one app due to the fact that the other one is not producing any kind of good deliveries my only question is do you keep both of them running and just decline or do you pause in between please answer I appreciate appreciate it
I disagree with 5 and 8, if the order outside the area is well paying its worth it. And you still get orders outside the area that can sometimes lead you back in the area. And rich people don't tip for shit in my experience 😒
You say to drive to a richer area? I have quite a few areas around me where there’s $500,000-$1,000.000+ homes, they are the ones (8 out of 10 times) that don’t tip but $2-$3. After that I started delivering to people in apartments or in trailer parks or average houses ($100-200,000 homes) that tip $5, $10 even $20. It must be market dependent 🤷🏻♂️
It’s really hard to know because it changes depending on market. Orders I take might not be the best ones for you to take. What’s best is to keep testing things out and figure out what works best for you and your market
When you say pickup times , your fine if you arrive by the pickup time and it’s not ready , correct ? Basically you get there and have to wait 20mins past the pick up time ?
@@Moore.Driven sorry my working. Is dumb 😂 , so if it says p/u by 5:00 and I get there by 5:00 but the food isn’t ready until 5:20 is that considered a late pu even though it’s out of my control
Aren't contract violations based on repeated lateness over 10 mins not just one time? Do u end up being late often when mixing them up? And we're really allowed 3 of these types of violation per 100 Deliveries?
So what I’ve noticed is that they do give you one if it’s just one time. And no I don’t end up being late often but it does happen on occasion. And yes I believe it’s 3 per 100 deliveries
Okay so I’ve been just DoorDashing for about six weeks and a lot of you talk about multi aping question do you accept orders on different apps while still delivering a current order?
I work in a wealthy-working neighborhood and have noticed that tipping isn’t that great. It’s almost terrible actually. But a few miles down there’s a wealthy-retired neighborhood. There’s a HUGE difference in tipping. RETIRED WEALTHY people tip really well. Today I got a three 10$+ tips in a row putting me about 40$ per hour for 3 hours.
@@Moore.Driven doesn’t that affect how much orders or the higher amount orders you receive? Sorry I’m new to doing DoorDash and trying to make sure i do it efficiently
@@thatdudeACES oh you’re good! No acceptance rate doesn’t matter at all from what I’ve learned. If you’re trying to be a top dasher than it definitely does but other than that you’re fine to decline all you want👍🏻
That’s a great idea I’ve actually raise the money through my craft channel one time and donated it to a cause it’s one of the greater things that you can do giving is always a gratis para community
What about these apps that you can plug Uber eats doordash and GrubHub or whatever all into the app and it will just feed you the highest dollar orders? Do those violate terms of service or do they just straight up not work? Just curious on your opinion of these.
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If you’re a ‘top dasher’, then I don’t believe you for a minute that you’re earning a grand in a weekend. It makes no sense. You’re too busy driving 15 miles for $5. Sorry, but you’re not telling the truth.
For the record, these are the tips and strategies that got him deactivated off of Uber Eats and GrubHub, so... don't do it. Multi-app the way it's recommended: One order (or same-app stack order) at a time.
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Actually, I've found that the higher income areas tip less. I've gotten the biggest tips from lower income apartments. The richer people seem to be stingier with their money.
Weird, I’ve found it to be the complete opposite
True
same. delivered a stack today, one to a clearly middle class neighborhood and one to a clearly wealthy neighborhood… got a $6 tip from the middle class and a $2 from the rich. 🙄
I agree
@@Moore.Driven same here I deliver in Destin in the expensive high rise condo area I've done the St Augustine region and a few other high income areas in NJ and the Carolinas
I do doordash and uber eats on weekends as supplemental income. I do Friday after work 5pm to 10 pm. Then Saturday and Sunday 11 am to about 7 pm. I do this in the town I grew up in. I know the town inside and out. It's also a pretty rich town. I live 12 miles away from the town I grew up in, so I travel to that area to deliver. It's worth it. I make about 500 to 550 every weekend. They tip big in that area. It's definitely worth going to upper class areas.
Thanks for sharing, this is my plan to start trying soon
In my market, over half the restaurants I accept keep me standing around waiting for food. Burger King, Wendy’s, and Popeye’s and Walmart are automatically declined because of excessive wait times. I also decline orders that are 10 miles or more, which I seem to get all the time. My acceptance rate is in the 20’s but I’m not taking garbage orders.
I do some. 10+ mile. Orders if the payout is big $15+...popeyes/wendys aren't autodeclines but I need at least. $8 to consider them
As much as I love multiapping. I only use two at the moment. If I tried more I know I can’t mentally handle it. Soon I will be ready but right now little by little.
Nice! Gotta start slow👍🏻
@@Moore.Driven I'm an Uber Eats driver just starting to multi-app. Here is how Uber Eats works. They do not penalize you, but you do get reviewed by the customers. Enough bad reviews can get you deactivated, but that standard is very difficult to hit. Basically, the penalty can come from the customers but will not come from Uber. However, Uber Eats does slow down from time to time when your acceptance rate is below 70%
Well done my brother. I like how you show yourself making the $1000 in your Fri, Sat, Sun videos first, and then breaking down the tips and strategies after because we can see that the tips and strategies that youre giving to us truly do work.You do a great job of breaking things down in to simple terms so people here can make sense of it! Im in Vegas myself, where its always crazy busy for the most part. I work my regular area daily, a wealthier part of town where tips are usually good. Keep up the good work man, and im enjoying the content!! -- Josh, Vegas --
Thanks man! I appreciate that comment🙏
Blake: either you are timely with GH or they’re treating you differently. If I multi app and don’t get to a GH pickup within 10-15 minutes they unassign the order. While I was trying to find an impossible apartment for DD, GH did it again today. That’s at least three times that’s happened.
BTW you are more talented than you think you are. When all three apps are pinging and I’m driving, I have every kind of bad thing happen short of crashing. Trips don’t mesh the way I thought they would, some restaurant takes too long, the GH map is waaayyy off from what I thought I was agreeing to. Sensory overload with way too much going on. Maybe, possibly, with years of deliveries, it might work a little better, but right now, keeping all three running and never pausing is a recipe for disaster for me.
Grubhub in my market is the same, if I accept a GH order after 5 minutes or less they start messaging me that I've accepted an order but I'm not moving toward the pickup location. At 10 minutes they unassigned the order and penalize me. Three times now they wait until I turn into the restaurant driveway and I'm actually there but they unassign the order.
@@robl6347 same here, and also I got a violation on door dash for being late because I’m dropped off my gh order first.
GH is typically very bad to their drivers. I always start with a GH order and work with DD and UE AROUND the GH order. Uber almost welcomes multi-apping so if I can take a little longer to pick up my Uber order in order to pick up a GH order first I’ll do that. ALSO really focus on what restaurant it gives you. If I get a Buffalo Wild Wings I know I have an extra 20 minutes to pick up literally anything else.
Good for you tho, at least you're hustling and grinding and trying it out. Short term failures and mistakes are teachers, don't forget. Keep it up !
In my area, it's pretty large so multi-apping is really tricky. Also, what happens if one of your orders you accepted requires you to wait at the restaurant? I hate to un-assign orders unless things go really sideways.. It's bad for the dasher, bad for the customer, and also drops your problem onto another dasher.
I found a Mexican restaurant at night stays open 24hrs and usually tip well and most deliveries as yay close to that area. Always go to a favorite gem of a cash cow when you find one
If I use three apps at the same time it will be the biggest disaster ever , I used two before in a busy area just to see what happens and it happened ..anxiety and high blood pressure at the same time
This is the real answer. I don't know how people think every order will go well. Cant predict wait times
Here in California it’s a lot tougher as we have prop 22. Any unnecessary driving can lead to “fraudulent activity”.
I didnt know that & i live in cali 🤣
I took your advice and i made 220. Thank you
I was running two apps the other day and had gotten two really good orders. But one of the stores had a really long line and I ended up getting a violation on door dash
If you accept orders on two apps which I don’t recommend always complete DoorDash first because they’ll deactivate you quick for being late
@@ashleythetherapist7831 Does Uber have any type of violations?
You’ve got to know when to hit the arrived and confirmed button between going to and or passing restaurants.
say you have a steakhouse order and a McDonald’s order both going to the same area if possible while you’re passing the steakhouse to the McDonald’s order, click arrived at the steakhouse. Let them finish preparing the order while you pick up the McDonald’s order, the McDonald’s order will be ready sooner grab the McDonald’s order, then grab the steakhouse order and go . Use the grace periods to ur advantage
If you don't live in a Busy market.
Drive to the nearest one. Its worth it.
Agreed
isn't it dangerous to keep the apps on all the time? you could get one order and go E but the other order will take you W. I turn on the apps when I'm about a minute from the drop off location.
You only accept orders that have similar pu and end locations...works best in hot areas like downtowns
Yes thank you lol👏🏻 tip #6 my guy👍🏻
I multi app between doordash and uber eats. With the price of gas no way am i only delivering 1 order at a time. Those days are gone!!!! Sometimes i have up to 4 orders in my car for one trip. Usually 2 or more. Doordash is the important one here, make sure you deliver first otherwise they ding you iv been able to keep that score at 91. Its a challenge to master but one you do you can make good money in only a few hours. The truth is, only 7% of uber eats orders here in Vegas are worth picking up. And around 22% on doordash. Those are my stats the rest of the orders i throw out the window. I love it when they expect a dasher to drive 10 miles for 2.50$. Ill let another sucker pick that up.
This is a random question... For the grocery pickups, in Doordash, have you noticed it will indicate "8 items" and it will actually be 50 bags of groceries? Is there a work around?
I think 8 items can mean 8 different things, but there may be more of each of those things. Confusing to hear, but if someone gets 40 cans of beans it may register as only 1 item because it’s that specific can. This is just a guess, I am not 100% sure.
So like instacart will say full service order 23 items 60 units these are usually very good and tip well many time it's multiples of produce 6 apples pears bananas etc and 4 of each yogurt orders
Why are you accepting Grocery pickups? I decline every single one include walmart, walgreens! Ill never do it!
Personally, here in LA, places like Beverly Hills and Santa Monica don’t tip very well.
Does anyone else have this problem? The city about 15 mins north of me is a richer area, but the delivery zone cuts the city in half. The restaurants are in the bottom zone, while a majority of the houses are the in top zone. Can I select to dash in the top zone while still getting orders from the restaurants in the bottom zone?
No you only get orders within your zone
Appreciate you doing this. My question is, do you use multiple phones or just one?? Thanks in advance 😃
Just 1!
Got deactivated from door dash after 3 weeks for fraud. I have no idea what I did wrong because I only did what I was supposed to do. I can only assume someone lied somewhere and I had to take the blame.
This video is so good! I could relate a lot with it, and I also learned some valuable information. Thank you so much!!
That may work in your area but you must be on something is most areas it don't work that while
Some of this is good advice. Some of it is terrible. Don’t risk contract violation for any per hour rate. It’s not worth it to lose access to the platform you use to make money.
Am I the only one who gets every single order saying it must be picked up in 4 minutes?
You have the nicest calming voice
Haha thanks!
Hi Blake, I was hoping you could give some insight about insurance. I recently came across your videos and I also just recently bought my first car. From speaking to several insurance companies it seems like nobody wants to cover you if you do food delivery. I read that most people don't disclose that they do delivery to their insurance, but I don't want to take any chances. I was hoping to do this part time on top of my full time work, but it seems impossible
How do you use 2 apps on a phone. Can you see them at the same time. Is there a video that you made tht explains how to use 2 apps at once?
Would you recommend me leaving my area where I work on Provo to go where you are in Draper?Thanks I really Like Your Videos By The Way!
Yes 100%, from what I’ve noticed Provo is the worst area to dash in all of Utah and I’ve pretty much dashed in every area
Even Lehi would be better than Provo
@@Moore.Driven wow that sounds crazy! I though that driving 30 miles to get there was not a great idea, but I’m down to try it out. I honestly trust you and your videos man! Your freaking killing it!
What I commonly say Blake I appreciate your insight is that I get stuck on one app due to the fact that the other one is not producing any kind of good deliveries my only question is do you keep both of them running and just decline or do you pause in between please answer I appreciate appreciate it
I said this in the video but I guess I’ll say it again, ALWAYS LEAVE ALL APPS RUNNING
I see that but it’s just constant moving between apps..
@Nick ツ
I pause the one I’m not using til about 3 mins from my delivery then I turn it back on
Correct
Don’t pause🤦♂️ you never know what good orders you’re missing out on! Trust me, leaving them on will help you make more money👍🏻
The 80% percent minimum completion rate required by door dash gives you the flexibility to multi-app.
An 80% acceptance rate isn’t required by doordash…
@@Moore.Driven *minimum 80% completion rate of orders accepted
@@jaymc05 my b, I misread that👍🏻
I disagree with 5 and 8, if the order outside the area is well paying its worth it. And you still get orders outside the area that can sometimes lead you back in the area. And rich people don't tip for shit in my experience 😒
Should I try dashing in an area relatively close to me with high tourism?
This didn't work for me had a order in the woodlands 2 of them from 2 different apps accepted both of them and they took me to 2 different cities
It’s Friday and my area and all the areas around me are grayed out, there’s not even any available times for me to schedule later 😔
Blake, very impressive 1000, on the weekend 👍
Thanks👍🏻
You say to drive to a richer area? I have quite a few areas around me where there’s $500,000-$1,000.000+ homes, they are the ones (8 out of 10 times) that don’t tip but $2-$3. After that I started delivering to people in apartments or in trailer parks or average houses ($100-200,000 homes) that tip $5, $10 even $20. It must be market dependent 🤷🏻♂️
Correct
Yeah it really depends on your market. For me its the complete opposite than your experience
Will you know if you’re penalized on doordash?
New subscriber here. I try to stay less than a mile near busy restaurant areas. Any suggestions on distance?
It’s really hard to know because it changes depending on market. Orders I take might not be the best ones for you to take. What’s best is to keep testing things out and figure out what works best for you and your market
@@Moore.Driven I'm about to go out now. Thanks for the quick response 👍
When you say pickup times , your fine if you arrive by the pickup time and it’s not ready , correct ? Basically you get there and have to wait 20mins past the pick up time ?
Not really sure what this is asking
@@Moore.Driven sorry my working. Is dumb 😂 , so if it says p/u by 5:00 and I get there by 5:00 but the food isn’t ready until 5:20 is that considered a late pu even though it’s out of my control
Do you have scheduled blocks for all the shifts you work?
No
Aren't contract violations based on repeated lateness over 10 mins not just one time? Do u end up being late often when mixing them up? And we're really allowed 3 of these types of violation per 100 Deliveries?
So what I’ve noticed is that they do give you one if it’s just one time. And no I don’t end up being late often but it does happen on occasion. And yes I believe it’s 3 per 100 deliveries
Okay so I’ve been just DoorDashing for about six weeks and a lot of you talk about multi aping question do you accept orders on different apps while still delivering a current order?
Ok you just answered my question 😂
I work in a wealthy-working neighborhood and have noticed that tipping isn’t that great. It’s almost terrible actually. But a few miles down there’s a wealthy-retired neighborhood. There’s a HUGE difference in tipping. RETIRED WEALTHY people tip really well. Today I got a three 10$+ tips in a row putting me about 40$ per hour for 3 hours.
This is so true. I live within 15 minutes of the wealthy part of town. I like to stay in that part of town better tips less crime
I've been doing DD for about 2 months. It seems like multi apping would break my brain.
Lol it definitely takes practice
I have a question: does this mean the acceptance rate on UberEATS doesn't matter?
Correct
Way too saavy for me I do the accept and pause version
From my previous years of working in service....rich people tipped like absolute crap.
For tip #2, won't leaving the apps on while delivering from the other ruin my acceptance rating and cause a potential Deactivation?
Yeah it’ll ruin your acceptance rate but it won’t cause you to be deactivated
@@Moore.Driven thought grubhub and doordash will deactivate if you declined too often
Nope
@@Moore.Driven mind if I ask what's your acceptance ratings?
@@shadow1910 they vary between about 15%-29%
Thanks for the tips!!
No problem!
Wouldn’t decline multiple orders ruin your acceptance rate?
Yeah but why does that matter?
@@Moore.Driven doesn’t that affect how much orders or the higher amount orders you receive? Sorry I’m new to doing DoorDash and trying to make sure i do it efficiently
@@thatdudeACES oh you’re good! No acceptance rate doesn’t matter at all from what I’ve learned. If you’re trying to be a top dasher than it definitely does but other than that you’re fine to decline all you want👍🏻
@@Moore.Driven ohh okay , thank you 🙏🏾
Were is your area??
I literally say in multiple times in the video😂🤦♂️
Any updates on mental health charity
That’s a great idea I’ve actually raise the money through my craft channel one time and donated it to a cause it’s one of the greater things that you can do giving is always a gratis para community
Yes, coming soon, probably first week in september
@@Moore.Driven and I'm assuming you will be telling who won your prize
Correct
Thanks for the update, Blake
What about these apps that you can plug Uber eats doordash and GrubHub or whatever all into the app and it will just feed you the highest dollar orders? Do those violate terms of service or do they just straight up not work? Just curious on your opinion of these.
good content but your videos are too loud
Noted👍🏻
Not in 2023
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Biggest tip I got is get a electric car.
If you’re a ‘top dasher’, then I don’t believe you for a minute that you’re earning a grand in a weekend. It makes no sense. You’re too busy driving 15 miles for $5. Sorry, but you’re not telling the truth.
Wow dude your method is going to get people deactivated
For the record, these are the tips and strategies that got him deactivated off of Uber Eats and GrubHub, so... don't do it. Multi-app the way it's recommended: One order (or same-app stack order) at a time.
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