New Zealand used to have a system very similar to Germany. The law changed a few years ago, making getting an abortion easy and extending the deadline. We haven't seen any increase in the number of women getting abortions. All we've seen is less pain and fear being experienced by the those women.
@@thehangmansdaughter1120 It is the terrible governance in general, but a disregard for human life is not a good start, particularly the most vulnerable with the biggest victim card you can get.
I was born in Germany, had my childhood here, but then as a teen and young adult I lived in Canada and the US. I returned to Germany in my twenties. And damn, was I ever shocked when I learned about our abortion laws! I thought that no way, how can this country be so backwards?! Our abortion laws, a relict from the Reich, are a stain on this country. Germany is a free and liberal country - unless you are a fertile biological female.
wtf are you talking about? I have a few female friends who are German, and they haven't had or see problems with this system. the mandatory consultation is NO DIFFERENT than for most other medical procedure. unless its emergent, you need a meeting with and referral from a doctor for pretty much any medical treatment. so stop being a drama queen comparing this to Nazi germany. speed limits on the autobahn are also a relic of the reich fyi, does that make Germany's traffic laws backward?
Abortion was actually most used under the Reich, abortion has its origins in eugenics not that it is still that way, but I think that Germany is more conservative about abortions because it was really a N@zi medical practice and maybe historical trauma
Yet the men who were involved in making the baby in the first place are left to go on about life of their own free will. How come there are no questions making the man rethink why/how he got a woman pregnant in the first place?
Smoothbrain take. Men have to take accountability for the pregnancy whether she keeps it or not via child support. In many countries abortions are subsidized by the state meaning many males have to pay for you even when it had nothing to do with us.
In my experience it’s been the women who take more risks. Women play an similar part in insemination. Your “getting her pregnant” is old-fashioned and passive.
As the US reworks abortion it should be done thoroughly. Fathers need to have rights too unless they opt out and relinquish them. We’re gonna need to have an actual open discussion.
The problem with requiring counseling for abortions is there is no comparable requirement for people choosing to give birth. Thats a bigger life change. Abortion should be compared to it since its the alternative. I can guarantee being sleep deprived and have your life change because of an infant is way more emotionally taxing. Nobody asks those women if they'd really thought about having the kid.
We should start from the foundation. How about not having sex when you are not ready to take care of the natural consequences? Is it just irresponsibility or lack of self-control, or both? For many people I have witnessed, it is just the sheer will to rebel against the natural moral order.
@@DJ5540 I agree, comprehensive education should be given to adolescents. However, education on self-mastery and the practice of self control trumps every other bandaid that is being thrown at this problem.
@Lerian V - Keep your religious feelings to yourself. Look; if you are ACE and don’t want to have sex, that is your choice. The rest of us aren’t Catholics and don’t subscribe to your belief that sex should only occur for purposes of reproduction. Its also a healthy and important way humans bond and release calming endorphins.
@@Lerian_V I'd like to remind you that raped women did not have the choice for birth control or to have sex. Pro lifers really hate raped women don’t they?
The main point that I am taking away is that it is frowned upon but there are regulations so that it is allowed. In the USA, there are a few differences. 1. Germany allows you to get an abortion through the correct paperwork which isn’t difficult. It might be intrusive. 2. In the USA, a person has to travel the span of an entire Germany just to get a proper jurisdiction. 3. The legislatures are trying to regulate birth control in USA. I don’t think they are doing that in Germany. Access is about convenience. Not about whether or not it is “possible”
No. The US has the most availability and the most leniency. Besides Canada which is similar, the US has wildly permissive laws. Too much which is why it will be changed. Texas is the only state that limits it severely and that was only in the last year.
@@thesisLAx The US definitely does not have 'the most availability'. Your argument stems from misinformation on several points, maybe it's time you, at the very least, get correct information before considering your standpoint?
According to Section 218 of the German Criminal Code (StGB), an abortion is generally illegal. However, it remains exempt from punishment under certain conditions on the basis of the so-called counseling regulation. In addition, abortion is possible on the basis of a medical or a criminological indication.
@@Faustobellissimo It's basically just legal definitions, within the allowed timeframe it is de-facto legal and without repercussions or insurance issues for both pregnant women and doctors to seek and conduct abortions.
First of all, thanks for the great video. Second i live in germany and didnt know anything about our laws regarding abortion. I'm in shock. Especially the young lady talking about her experiences broke my heart. She's in my age and im just sad it had to go that way. Will be on the next demo for better abortion rights and will for sure talk to my friends and others about it. Again thank you so much for teaching us/me about our country. Kloß im Hals. ❤️🙏
It broke your heart that she had to go through all of that. But it doesn't concern you that because of her irresponsibility a life lost its Existence of the World.
@@pingping6967 isnt it her choice to give life or to not give life? Its not her irresponsibility its her choice to say yes or no to the life she want for herself first of all. Thats my opinion if you cant live with it try to change some one elses. Best regards
das Problem ist das viele Kliniken die das Anbieten, heftig von so widerlichen religiösen Dummies angekackt werden. Zb in Italien ist dass das gleiche Problem. Da fährst du rum um eine Klinik zu finden, und die scheußliche Bürokratie machts auch nicht besser. Jedoch wäre ich froh für Frauen das sie die Möglichkeit haben und wenn es nicht reicht dann über die Grenze gehen. Besser als die USA.
abortions are just eugenics, it was only legal in the US for example, because one woman wanted to exterminate black people. And most women who get abortions usually sleep with many different men
@@MVGAactual it's outrageous that you mix up Mengele's war crimes with women's rights. You want to dominate and control women, have the power over their live and body, that is the true evil of human nature.
What it ultimately comes down to is it's no ones business besides the woman involved and her doctor. I think there should be limits of course on how late you can reasonably do it in, extreme cases excluded of course.
One information: You can have an abortion in the first real 12 weeks of pregnancy. When you count pregnancy weeks you start counting from the first day of your last period. That means you‘re not pregnant before third/fourth week. So you can have that abortion in the first 14 weeks.
@@ci6516 the fact that it has to stay inside a person to survive means that it's not "living". The immense life support needed to keep it developing at a drastically lesser rate really speaks volumes on why it's not viable outside the womb. Never judge a woman for why she decides to terminate, it could have been killing her, the fetus could be dead or extremely misformed to the point of immediate death after birth. The woman herself could be sick and unable to keep the fetus. Your politicians who tout their moral superiority go behind their backs to access abortions for their daughters, mistresses, and prostitutes. Invalidating their conviction to "pro life" when it's convenient for them.
@@abugina a fetus is a baby . Pro murder people like you trick yourselves into separating yourselves from the act by trying to tell yourself “this isn’t a *baby* , it’s a *FETUS* , *fetus* sounds *nasty* therefore I don’t feel bad for killing a *nasty fetus* “ It’s an attempt of *dehumanization*
Wonder how the growing human felt? Heartbeat at 5 weeks. Nobody in entire doc ever considered what would be good for the OTHER body. Just “the woman”. It’s breathtaking the Self centered view. The woman who got the abortion was not a 15 yr old having sex w/ her first BF. Full grown woman sleeping with her ex DIDNT use BIRTH CONTOL? Why not? How come nobody in whole pandering DOCU didn’t even ask the intelligent woman “why didn’t you avail yourself of birth control b4 you slept with your ex?”
Something has to be added here. It's only technically true that West Germany always banned abortions in most cases until 1995, there were many attempts to allow abortions until the third month and in the 70s the West German parliament actually passed a law allowing abortions until the third month and it once again passed a law as a unified parliament in 1992 to do the same, but both hof these attempts were all stopped by the all-male Supreme Court up until 1995, when they finally didn't take an anti-choice position. These men in the Supreme Court actually argued that article one of the constitution "the value of the human is untouchable" prescribed a pro-life position. They also argued that the right to choose over women's bodies is secondary to the right to life of "the unborn". That's what you get when you don't allow women on the benches for a long time...
"Der Schwangerschaftsabbruch muß für die ganze Dauer der Schwangerschaft grundsätzlich als Unrecht angesehen und demgemäß rechtlich verboten sein. Das Lebensrecht des Ungeborenen darf nicht, wenn auch nur für eine begrenzte Zeit, der freien, rechtlich nicht gebundenen Entscheidung eines Dritten, und sei es selbst der Mutter, überantwortet werden." That's from the ruling of the 1998 court, and 4 from 8 judges where woman.
@@gene9230 You are completely wrong! Your date is wrong, so is the number of women on the court. Only one woman was a member of the 8-member "2. Senat" in 1993, when we had the decision, not 1998. In 1998, when there were more women on the court, the BVerfG actually did a decision on abortion that was less mysogynist than the one in 1993, when it was almost completely male. They actually upheld some rights against a restrictive Bavarian law on it.
@@gene9230 Im Übrigen, wie krank ist der folgende Abschnitt: "Rechtlicher Schutz gebührt dem Ungeborenen auch gegenüber seiner Mutter. Ein solcher Schutz ist nur möglich, wenn der Gesetzgeber ihr einen Schwangerschaftsabbruch grundsätzlich verbietet und ihr damit die grundsätzliche Rechtspflicht auferlegt, das Kind auszutragen." RECHTSPFLICHT, das Kind auszutragen! Das bedeutet einen Zwang, das Kind auszutragen. Es ist unvorstellbar, sowas heute zu fordern, und zeigt, wozu das führt, wenn fast nur Männer im Gericht sitzen.
@@lupen_rein wie gesagt saßen genauso viele Frauen wie Männer im Gericht. Abgesehen davon ist es sexistisch zu behaupten die Entscheidung liege am Geschlecht der Richter.
@@gene9230 Nur weil du das wieder behauptest, macht es das nicht richtiger. Im Jahr 1993(!), in dem diese Entscheidung fiel, saß nur eine Richterin im 2. Senat des BVerfG, eine von 8. Akzeptiere die Fakten, anstatt Falschaussagen zu verbreiten.
Should the government have the legal right to force people to use their bodies against their will to save the life of another person? Even at risk Of death, quality of life, physical damage to self, and financial ruin? Body autonomy is important.
The don't understand that they are not saving anyone. The baby can always be hurted, and the mother can get away with it. They can cause several issues by not eating or drinking properly or taking drugs. The baby is more likely to have an alcohol syndrome, because the mother was forced to have it. The government doesn't understand that you can't protect something, that only eats, drinks and lives, because somebody else lives.
No one’s telling these women what they can and can’t do with their bodies. Killing babies though is off the table. So if your bodily autonomy ends up getting you pregnant, sorry but “it’s inconvenient” and “I’m not ready” arent great excuses for murder.
@@theAEDan But this doesn't make sense. They are allowed to harm the baby, but not allowed to "kill" it ("No one's telling these women...")? Imagine we would use that logic on born people. I can body harm you and can't get punished, as long as you don't die, it's fine. That's why I am for abortion, because it's better not to be born, than made disabled on purpose. There are so many ways to harm or kill the baby, without an actual abortion. By law this is allowed, since it is your BODY. Your rights don't go away no matter what state you are in. Even corpses have rights.
They used to send people across the border up until the early 2000’s to back street clinics in The Netherlands which caused extreme problems once they returned home if there were problems like left over matter and infections. I’m glad they are now able to gain paperwork in Germany to end an unwanted pregnancy. The old way was no way to treat humans! Edited correction of country!
@@ellabella1659 don't apologize,ur point was right on... Also,no one addresses the problem of normal,active,pretty,popular,all A's,with strictly god worshipping families whom they would rather die than tell they did something human( or were forced)high school girls giving birth to fetuses in secret,or worse,giving birth to preemy live babies than burying them in dumpsters ,which occurs more often than one thinks or knows about .....how frightening,dangerous situation...they'll be more of that won't there? 🤔😢✌️
Abortion in Canada is legal at all stages of pregnancy, regardless of the reason, and is publicly funded as a medical procedure under the combined effects of the federal Canada Health Act and provincial health-care systems. However, access to services and resources varies by region.While some non-legal barriers to access continue to exist, Canada is the only nation with absolutely no criminal restrictions on abortion. Nevertheless few providers in Canada offer abortion care beyond 23 weeks and 6 days without a medical reason as outlined by provincial regulatory authorities for physicians.
Wow why can't America be as progressive as Canada. There are real medical reasons why abortions are needed people need to stop passing judgment with no idea about what's really going on. Go Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you for the easy access education and not deciding my choice in any subject, even ones so delicate. Thank you for answering every question and all the hard work required to create such informational conversations and content. Thank you. I wish I could work for you, so I'd have the money to help fund furthering this kind of work in education and research.
Fathers should be allowed to opt out of rights and obligations before the woman can schedule a procedure. This way the father can exempt himself from any possible manipulations related to the procedure if he responds quickly.
To those who claim it's against God to get an abortion, God gave the virgin Mary a choice and didn't impregnate her until she agreed. If God can respect her choice, man should definitely do so too. Stop trying to force your ideologies on others, the bible preaches that we should love others as ourselves, not to judge others for their actions, but yet there are people who will do that for personal choices that don't affect others. Pregnancy only affects the person who carries, nobody else.
Pregnancy effects the child. You’re not about to bring God into this when God is not in you. God is against abortion and the taking of innocent vulnerable human life. So you take him in your mouth and then spit at him with your words.
Huh? In what world was she given the choice? It was a trial for her read again please. What kind of God do you believe in that has to ask for consent of His Creation. I don't have words to describe this kind of belief. Also how does the pregnancy only concern the one who carries? The father of that child has no say in the killing of it? You haven't seen how abortions occur have you. A baby fully formed and they put a blade in her womb to chop it to bits so that it can "go down the drain". Absolutely disgusting.
@@hmzzrg5045 God gave us free will, we do what we want. If you choose to disobey, then you go to hell. That's what happens when we have free will. If she failed, she wouldn't have been the virgin Mary, we would have someone else. But notice how this operates on faith and her saying that she would give birth. Not God forcing her.
I don't think that getting an abortion is too hard in Germany and I think a consultation from someone who is not the doctor is a good thing. The main problem though is that many abortion consultations are made by religious consultants, like Diakonie (evangelical) or Karitas (catholic). There is a problem of extremely biased consultants who talk women out of abortion who later regret thier decision or who plant doubts into womens minds who do the abortion and regret later on. Especially in Bavaria, one of the most religious regions it might be hard to find unbiased consultation and easy access to doctors who perform the abortion. I luckily live in eastern Germany. With our heritage from GDR, social pressure on women who want an abortion is a lot easier.....
Well there are many which go to a non religious counseling. Also there are counselors which just will agree with the abortion and give no counseling at all.
@@lal12 it depends in where you are. Within the city, you have numerous choices, but in rural aeras, you can be glad to find one that gives you an appointment in time. Near my old place in Bavaria, Oberpfalz for example there is only a katholic counseling within the 1 hour drive (by car, even more with public transport) nearby. No way of getting unbiased secular counseling here. There are areas, where acces to non religious counceling isn't possible. I think Funk or Y-Kollektiv made a short German documentary about that, if you are interested.
Apparently the time starts counting from the last period you had, so in practice German women can get an abortion up to 14 weeks. That's still way too short though.
@@KarlSnarks that's incorrect. Pregnancy is counted from the last period, so generally around 2 weeks before conception actually occurs. This means a German woman can Only have an abortion up until around 10 weeks post conception of 8 weeks after the first missed period, bearing in mind not every woman's periods are like clockwork (and some women experience bleeding in early pregnancy that they could mistake for a period) so some don't realise until its too late.
5:24 That some would try to coerce and manipulate a woman in such a vulnerable and emotionally raw time is _disgusting!_ 😠 Those people often assume that the only reason that someone would resort to this is from just not wanting it or just wanting to be free or whatever, which is absurd, there are _numerous_ reasons why a woman would resort to having to do this. But even if that were true, even if there were no such thing as defective fetuses, even if there were no such thing as assault, even if every procedure were just because of malfunctioning birth-control and a lack of desire to have a kid (at this time), how does that make it any less necessary? What's the alternative? Do they expect to force them to have a child they don't want? Do they force them to have a child they'll neglect? Do they force them to have a child they can't afford to support? Will those people just adopt all of these babies themselves? Nope, definitely not. In fact, those "pro-life" people are usually also anti-support, they usually whine and complain about social-assistance, they bad-mouth socialism and try to reduce or eliminate welfare and disability and every other form of "free food/money/etc." Moreover, even if they weren't filthy hypocrites, even if they _would_ adopt all of these babies, who says these women _want_ to give them up? Just because they can't or don't want to have a baby now and/or ever doesn't mean they want to create one and then give it away to someone else to have. Maybe they don't like the idea of their genes being passed on (eg the relatives of a certain 1930s German A.H.) Or maybe it causes them a tremendous amount of mental distress and anguish to know that they _did_ want a child but couldn't keep it because they weren't in a position to support it and had to let it go for the child's best interest and now there's some strangers out there who have their child. Maybe the idea of it not existing is less distressing. Maybe allowing them the option to detect it and get rid of it as soon as possible is better than trying to prevent them and forcing them to reach a point where it becomes emotionally harder. 😠 _Handmaid's Tale_ was wrong, Gilead isn't the USA, it's the whole world. 😒 7:00 There's a difference between feeling good about something and feeling like you did the right thing. Many women feel bad that they had to resort to doing that, because that's exactly what it is, nobody WANTS to do it, it's a LAST RESORT. But that doesn't mean they feel it was wrong. They can feel bad that they were in a position to have to do it but feel like they made the right/best choice for themselves and the baby at the same time, they are NOT mutually-exclusive. 7:26 No. No, you most certainly do NOT have to play devil's-advocate and role-play as the fetus. To what end? That's what's so annoying about these people. They try to fantasize about what the baby MIGHT be if it gets born (again, assuming that the only reason this is being done is because it's "not wanted" and pretending the numerous other reasons don't exist, they always ignore things like "let's role-play that it's born… without half of its head" or "let's role-play that it's born… with its father-grandfather's hemophilia genes" or "let's role-play that it's born… and its mother is reminded of that night in the alley every time it sees it"). They try to fantasize about they baby's life if it's allowed to grow, always with the same idealistic fantasy about toys and siblings in a house in _Leave it to Beaver_ and never imagine it growing up wearing secondhand donated clothing and eating free lunches for the poor kids and getting bullied, or living in a cardboard box in an alley, or having to get a secret job at 8, or being abused in a foster home, or being abused in an orphanage, or being abused by the stepfather, or… They try to use specious arguments like "what if it could grow up to be the next Einstein?" and ignore the equally valid "what if it grows up to be the next 1930 German Charlie Chaplin?" 😒 They try to use emotions to fantasize about lot of "what-ifs" about potential, hypothetical, imaginary harm that could come in a parallel universe from the baby not being born, and ignore the actual, tangible, real, direct harm that would happen to the baby if it IS born, let alone the harm that would happen to the mother. Hypocrisy should be a punishable crime. 😠 7:40 How will a country treat all the cells that died when I scratched my butt a minute ago? 🤔 7:45 The "pro-life" people are full contradictions (read hypocrisy). They put more value on the life of a possible future-human that doesn't exist yet than on the life of the woman that's already here and already has so much to lose. They put more value on the imaginary hypothetical life of a clump of cells than on the doctors that they harm when they bomb their clinics. Again, hypocrisy should be a punishable crime. 😠 8:51 Yup, that sounds about right. So-called "pro-life" religious zealot overpopulating breeders are very much like 1930s Germany in many ways. 😒 It's curious though, on the one hand A.H. et. al. would obviously want Germans to breed as much as possible, but they also wanted to eradicate anyone they didn't like and terminated a lot of potential-people. … 9:12 This makes sense for 1930s Germany. (1) They'd want to avoid risking the life of an existing German woman since forcing her to risk her life to go through one childbirth is numerically inefficient, so it makes more sense to terminate this dangerous one and keep her alive to pump out several more later. (2) They want the purest, best genes, so a defective baby must obviously go, but if it's a "good, proper German woman", it doesn't make sense to throw the whole cow away because of one bad batch of milk, just try again. (3) Um… 🤔 I've got nothing on this one, 1930s Germans did _lots_ of crimes, including SA, so I don't think they'd care about that, in fact, they'd specifically do this _to_ make new German babies. 🤷 10:40 They're not allowed to advertise the "type" of service they provide? What does that even mean? What do you mean "type"? Like chocolate, strawberry? Or coat-hanger, soup-ladle? They all have the same end-result, so what difference does it make to prevent them from specifying the "type". 🤨 11:13 Yeah, that's the point. Duh. They're hoping that if they can stall you long enough, it'll be too late and you'll be screwed. 12:30 Again, this is intentional. They _know_ that you have no way of detecting you're pregnant for a while, that's why they specifically set the limits so that by the time you suspect, get a test, find out, and search for a doctor, it'll be too late. I'd say they're evil geniuses, but only the first half would be accurate. 😒 12:50 _Again,_ this is all intentional. They go out of their way to try to stall and delay and find ways to prevent women from finding out and putting up obstacles to prevent them from getting it done as soon as possible when it's still quick and easy and painless and low-risk and the fetus is just a clump of cells, they intentionally try to stall until it becomes risky and dangerous and painful and requires more unpleasant methods and the fetus looks like a "person" to try to use emotional attacks. Again, absolutely disgusting 😠
I particularly LOVED the "How will a country treat all the cells that died when I scratched my butt a minute ago?" I will borrow it, if you don't mind ;)
🤦🏿♂️ Do you feel better now that you rambled out 3 books worth of nonsense that amounts to the same 2 nothing talking points that are just embarrassing to repeat? First, "defective fetuses". You meant a child you don't want. I'd say its no more defective than you, but, the unborn baby isn't incoherently rambling on TH-cam about how we should kill people so I'm putting it higher on the food chain than you. Assault and defective birth control are both extremely minorities, obviously. But you already know you wouldn't be anymore concise even if it were limited to those extreme circumstances, so why bother complaining about them. Were you hoping if you just typed enough words, it suddenly would make more sense? Doesn't work that way. Sorry. No one is forcing anyone, as already established. You choose to conceive even if its completely due to irresponsibility, thats still not anyone forcing anything, unless you meant forcing someone to deal with their own bad decisions. And you're choosing the "life" (just her desires) of an irresponsible adult woman, instead of the child who isn't less of a child just because you spend more time scratching your butt-cells than using your brain cells. Although, to be fair, I'd bet you've killed enough of the latter for dozens of "defective fetuses". We get it, you're depressed and don't want to live, and or REALLLY reeally slow and just hate responsibilities. Either way, thats a you problem. You've got no room to talk about hypocrisy when you want to cry for and try to free every real serial "grapist"/murderer but would coat hanger every baby you see if you could. Thats real hypocrisy, and a lot more common than attacking Abortion Clinics. If you don't want "defective fetuses" don't have sex. Simple as....you.
& even if they did adopt, the child would be raised by hypocrites! Amongst multiple other negatives that seems to come with this crowd! Thank you for your comment! Excellent, said everything I wanted & more. ✌️💜
Yeah why is your actions against others ever judged. 🙄🙄 The self centered bullshit you take by only repeating dogma is crazy. Sex is not a toy, take it seriously so you don't have to be deciding such a hard choice. Shutdown your WombGrave.
@@mountairyforjesus ok but murdering a conscious person is completely different from aborting an unconscious and unfinished body. Why do you compare fetuses to citizens that are fully developed and living their lifes?
In the GDR ("East Germany"), the right to an abortion was guaranteed for all women and free of charge after 1972. 1990 marked a U-turn in women's liberation in Eastern Germany, as fertility rates and divorce rates plummeted.
I think that we even scratched the surface in historic exploration of the regression of women rights happening throughout the 'Wende' (reunification of Germany).
I think a women should have full control over her own body/uterus. if she doesn't want the child and law is prohibiting abortion she may search for dangerous ways to get rid of the fetus.
So what does it sound like abortion is outright illegal in Germany. Rather, it is illegal with some exceptions for pregnancy that is less than 12 weeks old.
Definitively one of your worse videos, Vice. You‘re totally blowing things waaay out of proportion. I‘m German and getting an abortion is possible. It‘s not "easy", there are rules and it requieres consultation, but if you want one, you can get one. Period. The "technically Germany criminalizes abortion" is nothing more than a little fun fact of sorts, but this video blew that bit completely out of proportion. The only thing people really fought against is paragraph 219A, and this fight has been won.
Further fun fact: Until 2018 Hessia had de jure still the death penalty, but sadly they removed it since there's thankfully no way in which it could have been enforced.
@@gagarie2797 It's surprising though because you associate Germany with National Socialism, not being dead-beat parents. I thought it was a family orientated society.
VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis is allowing all priests to absolve women of the “grave sin” of abortion, extending indefinitely special permission he had granted for the duration of the just-ended Holy Year of Mercy. Francis wrote in the Apostolic Letter made public by the Vatican on Monday that “there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled” with God
Key word “Repentent”. Most women don’t seem to be bothered. Maybe there are a lot of sociopath women. I begin to wonder when I see them screaming in the street demanding to kill their young in the womb. No comparable mammal on earth destroys their young in the womb.
The main legal issue in germany is, as usual, to be found in the middle of the 20th century. Because of events there and also abortions done there the state has a very high constitutional threshold when it comes to enact a law that affects the health or life of someone. In short, the state my not enact legislation which impairs or limits the chance of living for anyone and they must protect life at all costs as a mandate from the primary article #1. Which in turn means that germany had a high legal bar to pass that a law on regulating abortion would make it through the constitutional challenges. Imo it could be more liberal, but in context I understand where it comes from, even if it is convenient for people who want to infringe on women on moralistic grounds.
The video is okay from the making and reasoning but in the timeline of abortion in the law your forgot to mention that abortion was completely without punshinment for one year and then the Christian party had something against it and it was changed to the law from 93. it’s right that abortion was immediately put into the German criminal code but only bc there was no country before hand and yes Abortion was not legal before the founding of the states bond
Tbh if they stopped at 3 months Here people wouldn't fight against it. But California wants to kill babies 3 months after birth and several states alow the murder at birth. After the woman has the birth they throw it n the dumpster
@@tyrnei6877 You can still do late term abortions in the US in some states. It just has to be medically necessary. For instance the baby can’t survive once it’s born or the woman’s life is at risk. Just so you know, 99% of abortions occur before the three month mark in the US.
Some people need to learn that sometimes life means making decisions. If a woman or child has been abused or cannot do an pregnancy for medical reasons and becomes unwanted pregnant, she must be able to make her own decision to have an abortion, but only early in the pregnancy
@@paxundpeace9970 As far as I know "Life" starts at conception. I think sience and the church actually agree on this. That's because if you define the start of life in any other way, it just doesn't work out. If you say "Life" starts at the functionality of the brain, then what about people with damaged brains? Are they only partially alive? Might seem like a stupid question, but it's genuinely what I ask myself if I read your comment. Would you care to elaborate? I'm genuinely interested.
Could you look at the scientific research behind artificial wombs for humans? Heard researchers in the Netherlands claimed they were just a decade away from having something that could be used and I worry how that also could come into play with preventing abortion at the possibility of transferring the fetus from a woman/girl that doesn't want it to the artificial womb instead. With bodily autonomy in the air here in the US I wouldn't put it past some places forcing a woman/girl to undergo a procedure if they thought transferring the fetus could save it. Another pregnancy story worth looking at also is Lina Medina youngest pregnancy in medical history at 5 years 7 months of age and to look into cases of girls under 15 in the US who were made to give birth and denied abortion.
@@internetprincess788 Everything. When a father abandons his kids we don't worry about his finances or mental health, he is the least of our worries at that point.
All depends on one's readiness to be a parent and/or the child-bearer's perspective on when is when I'm pregnancy. Not impossible, but not with clear-cut ease either.
Is Islam abortion is forbidden because it’s a crime you are killing a human being that god give you as a gift and a lot of other people wish to have kids so people be thankful if you have a child 🧒 and pray for others to have too
No!!! I was told just yesterday from several Islamist that all abortion is great because Trump....I know that doesn't make sense, but that's what they told me.
Isn’t this the same Islam where the founder had a child bride who was nine when he was in his 50s? I’m pretty sure we shouldn’t be taking morality from someone who clearly doesn’t care about women’s right to consent.
@@thezu9250 you know what's really funny you are talking BS without reading even a word on the story and copy paste BS and that's it go learn a little about islam and the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) read a little ignorant duck
@@thezu9250 not all Muslims are the same and women in Islam have more rights then any women in the world sometimes families are crazy it’s like when girls date at a young age and they get pregnant 🤰 do you think that’s right I live in America and i know a girl that got pregnant when she was nine so please before speaking bad about others you should focus on your own life or on your own country
They already have those restrictions in place. People are freaking out because they’re trying to get rid of those options or reduce them to ridiculous numbers. Just so you know, 99% of abortions in the US take place before three months anyways. So clearly no one has a reason to freak out if that’s what people wanted.
@@jaybee9269 watch C-Span sometimes. The lawmakers in Louisiana and Alabama are making claims that birth control is abortion light. These are actual statements they’ve made. While we think things won’t get extreme…it’s already happening.
Fathers should be allowed to opt out of rights and obligations before the woman can schedule a procedure. This way the father can exempt himself from any possible manipulations related to the procedure if he responds quickly.
* Ich bin neu in der Kryptowährung und verstehe nicht, wie sie wirklich funktioniert. Kann mir jemand den richtigen Ansatz zum Investieren und Erzielen guter Gewinne aus Kryptowährungsinvestitionen zeigen?*
Ist das nicht dieselbe Frau SUSAN ELLA, von der meine Nachbarn sprechen, sie muss eine perfekte Expertin sein, damit die Leute so gut über sie sprechen können ...
@Luis guzman torrente Louis, someone else refusing medication for something thats 99% none fatal is less harm to you, than you killing an unborn child....Thats just you making up hypothetical nonsense, whereas the child is right here and doesn't want to definently violent kill it. Try again.
Should be last option. By being responsible and not treating sex as toy or something to do because your bored you avoid this heavy decision. It's has life changing consequences. This nuance is what is lost in the US. We have a culture that tells women to be irresponsible sexually. Many women use abortion after thinking hooking up and causal lifestyle leads to happiness. It's a shame culture and media promoted sex "freedom". Think how comoso magazine and sex in the city marketed this lifestyle to women. Read subverted by sue Ellen browder to understand how capitalist advocates marketed this lifestyle to women. It means more profits for companies if women live this modern women sex in the city type of lifestyle.
@@jayz8839 thats 1-2% of the population. You can't trick me with this emotional tactic. We are talking about the selfish career women who knowing have unprotected sex, get pregnant and assassinate their baby. When does abortion have limit for you? Is there a limit? . Are you always supporting women always, or can they do no wrong? Accountability and responsibility with sex is a real concept. As long as you let them keep getting an out, for the abuse of babies in womb and it will lead to more and more womb graves. Where is you sense of justice for that baby or do you believe in the dehumanizing language marketed to you when it comes to abortion. Words Like fetus and embryo. These words came about because of marketing to cover up the human discomfort people feel about abortion, especially repeated abortion.
Well, there certainly is a reason why abortions as of themselves are illegal in Germany. The constitution states clearly: The dignity of the human is sacred. What is happening here is that the law weights the woman's and the child's rights against each other and then decided that in cases of normal pregnancy one can terminate it within 12 weeks without getting persecuted.
I think that abortion should be legal. But only if men also get the right for a financial abortion on paper. So if a man doesn't want a child, then he has 20 weeks time to decide whether he wants to keep the child or not. The woman has 22 weeks time to decide if she wants an abortion. So even if the guy takes the full 20 weeks time, she still can make an abortion if she cannot care for the child alone. Easy as that. Either we both can disconnect financially and/or physically from the child, or neither of us get to do that. Everything else is sexist and unfair. AND she has to tell him as soon as she finds out that she is pregnant. She has to prove that she told him. Otherwise he gets the right to decide to get a financial abortion from the child up to 18 weeks after he finds out, even if it is after the 20 weeks mark. It's her own fault if she didn't tell him.
Folks, a pregnancy should not be a surprise unless a medical professional told you pregnancy was virtually impossible based on your medical condition. Otherwise expect a pregnancy after hot and heavy sex. This is not meant for violations.
Ok expect a pregnancy but why the hell is there so much fetus worshiping? You’d think people believe the damn fetus will save their soul if they worship it enough. 😂
"Restrictions on termination of life are restrictions on freedom and privacy resulting in extreme hardship! My body, my choice! Except for COVID-19-related mandates; restrictions on freedom and privacy resulting in extreme hardship are necessary to protect life!" If you don’t see any contradictions, why not move to Shanghai, where the ultimate "protective measures" against COVID-19 are still in place and late-term abortion up to the moment before birth is legal?
This is what the USA needs to do. Plus the opportunity of an abortion if raped and or life threatening to go through with pregnancy to either baby or mother. Plus a circumstance taken into consideration clause.
The thing is that’s less than 1% of all abortions. It’s like .03% of all abortions are for medical emergency or rap3. No one is pro life has an issue with the .03% . We have an issue with the 99.7 who think nothing of killing a baby
Who would think Germany is wiser than the good ole 🇺🇸 in this matter. Changes due to a more intelligent,present day attitude for their women.... hahahaha.WOW.😳🤔
At least we Germans learned from the past and changed for the better while the USA gets more of a hellhole every year. Most Germans lost every ounce of respect after that fucking idiot Trump got elected who our ex chancelor Merkel had to explain multiple times that he could not strike a trade deal directly with Germay but only with the EU. That is like Economics 101 that the big Business man did not understand.
Fathers should be allowed to opt out of rights and obligations before the woman can schedule a procedure. This way the father can exempt himself from any possible manipulations related to the procedure if he responds quickly.
What about those who are in Muslim majority countries and refuse to wear the hijab or want to convert out of Islam? Would you also agree with “My Body AND MY MIND, my choice”?
@@bunnystrasse There are certain code of ethical dressing in every country. I believe public nudity is a punishable offence even from where you are. Dressing up more is not a crime however.
@@darcymr353 I'm currently working in Saudi Arabia. Women are not forced to cover their heads by law here. It is rather a teaching in Islam on how a believing woman must dress modestly. Even the Bible advocates women to cover their heads (1 Corinthians 11:6), but Christians do not follow the Bible to the word. Even though a Muslim woman is free to choose how to dress, in some cases their families force them to follow Islamic teachings for their best intrest. But, If you ask any Muslim woman if is she forced to cover her head, the majority will say they are doing it out of their free will.
@@darcymr353 Exactly, I abandoned all my children to many different mothers, why should they use my body to provide for them? My body, my choice, let them suffer, should have aborted.
"Only care about fetuses".Pro life organizations were caught on tape saying that once the woman gives birth they don't "give handouts" and the same people oppose regulations for paid leave for mothers, free child healthcare or Sex-ed. The maternal deathrate in the US is really high and because the treatment for an abortion and a miscarriage is the same, the number will increase.Oklahoma banned abortion without exceptions even in cases of rapes and they have an active sex trafficking ring ( the Tulsa Police Department said that the problem has exploded in the past few years) the marriage age there can be as young as 16 and there are also nurses, social workers shortages and a growing homelessness rate.The number of abortions were also the lowest since Roe v Wade was introduced and decreasing so I am confused why this was an issue. Most pro lifers that I know are like ostriches with their heads in the sand: when I tell them that this decision will have a body count without first fixing the system to support new mothers and assist the abused women they just copy paste : " I am saving babies" and this just proves the superficiality of their values.
These hurdles just make it harder to access within the time limit and create delays that make complications more likely. It is absurdly patronizing to say that women cannot decide for themselves before seeking services. Most already knew what they wanted if they got pregnant.
@@nathanlevesque7812 I'm pretty sure abstinence works every time, unless you believe in that one time about 2022 years ago. Sorry but just because you create a person by accident didn't mean you can kill it on purpose.
@@DroneBeeStrike Humans have to attempt abstinence for it to work, and as you may have noticed--human beings are not robots. Just because people can technically choose not to do something doesn't mean that it's as simple as that. We do not have a on/off switch for behavior. You do not get to define abstinence as 'only when it works' and then say 'it always works'. Also, you are reducing it *to procreation like we live in the middle ages. Grow up. "create a person" Not applicable. A fertilized egg is not a person. An undifferentiated cluster of cells is not a person. Anything without a developed, functioning brain is not capable of personhood. DNA does not contain a soul. Cell division is just protein synthesis and splitting the plasma membrane. You are archaic.
@@nathanlevesque7812 its absolutely that simple, it's just not easy and I acknowledge that. But, play stupid games win stupid prizes. It's not like anyone should be surprised they've gotten pregnant when they've engaged in intercourse. Sorry I didn't realize you were the authority on what is and isn't a human being. I think we can look at the times in history where we have decided that certain groups don't count as people and see how that turned out. There's no other way to create a human, so yes a fertilized egg is literally that. I mean, it's not a chicken is it?
She is actually saving their lives because what if she wasn't ready to be a mother? What if she was in a toxic environment/toxic mindset? It's better for the child to not exist at all rather than exist with mommy issues, or worse, motherless (if she throws him in the orphanage) No one wants a child to suffer, if she isn't ready to be a mom so mote it be
It's about bodily autonomy. Nobody can use someone else's body against their will, for their own benefit. We don't restrain people and take their blood in order to keep people alive who need blood. Or do you think forced blood removal should actually replace blood donation?
I don't understand why people reward people for being lazy or haveing sex on drugs or alcohol. Most babies die because of drugs or alcohol. Its why they are doing it
OMG, the longer you wait, the hormones make you start loving your baby, which makes it so much harder to kill. How do we put a stop to these illiberal laws?
But those hormones aren't going to help the woman pay for journal of pregnancy or birth. If you want abortion to decrease, help the woman out. Support her either emotionally, financially or physically.
@@isabellalopez1839 what an amazing concept. So you mean like, committed loving partners in a long term relationship that only have responsible intercourse with each other? Like where the woman has time to take care of the child while the man helps support her by working? Sounds far out
@@DroneBeeStrike as stated from this video women may not always in a loving committed relationship. Also sometimes a couple may decide to terminate because they already have kids and can’t afford another.
@@soccerswimfan Pay attention to the conversation - is obvious that some people aren't in relationships. Isabella stated above that if we want abortions to decrease we should support the women emotionally, financially, and physically. But men aren't going to support women they aren't in a relationship with, why should they? The only reason I can think of is to raise a child. And no man I know is going to support a woman who isn't committed to him as well. Couples using abortion as contraception are just irresponsible, and honestly that is the absolute worst class of abortions because it could be completely avoided.
So... the law is that abortion is illegal except if you follow these 3 criteria... yeah so? It is also illegal to hit someone, except it is for self defense. I am so confused why they all about it like it is something crazy? Also, the study shown makes no sense, since it shows women who had the abortion after the waiting period... so this means it worked and whoever "really" wanted the abortion, got it? I also dont get what is so wrong about a consultion of 30 minutes. It is a serious decision and who knows, maybe the man of the woman forces her to a abortion and she doesnt want it actually (the abortion) and they could help her. So, I only get that they dont like thinking about their decisions made and want to get it over with? This is a bit worrying.
But then they would 'feel bad'. It's all about the feels, not realizing you feel bad because your conscience is more powerful than u, and it will follow you like a ghost.
Dr Mangler said loosening laws doen't increace the amount of abortions (3:16) but that doesn't seem to be true; in the UK there's twice as many abortions, Sweden has many more.
I don't know why and I want someone to tell me, but why we give the woman the right of her body to do whatever she wants even by killing that innocent child without giving that child that right of life, is it because he's not able to express himself makes him weak so we can kill without any feeling of regret or remorse isn't it❓❓❓❓
we all know western people don't have morale code or religion they only believe in the absolute freedom and we all know the absolute freedom give you disasters so what do you expect from them ? there are no boundaries in their eyes they can't see or understand what is wrong with this devilish act and ofc ALOT of other things they accept it in the name of freedom like LGBTQABC and sex before marriage alcohol/drugs
@@Amanda-zg9pz I understood him perfectly fine as an American, but you are just a dead beat parent which is far worse than not being fluent in English in the first place.
At the end of the day, it is a risk you accept and you are responsible for your decisions. Saying it was a surprise or a mistake or an act of God is ridiculous, it was you...
The girl in the video took responsibility. She wasn't ready to be a mom. She would have had to quit her studies, her whole life would have changed, she wouldn't have been able to give the baby the life it deserved. Maybe her parents weren't ready to support her, who knows. Who is anyone to force her? It's her body, her life. Oh, and God doesn't exist. And if you think he does then don't get an abortion if it's against to your believes. But don't force them onto others.
The thing is, what we consider as life is plain question of a definition. Surely, a child conceived already has a potential for a normal human life. and I believe, in order to treat the issue correctly, there R several measures that can B taken - : 1) if the society, that one lives in, is pro-life, a mother should have enough opportunities for a child to be given into foster care, with decent living conditions, surely, provided - this one is on the government, then, as well as getting everyone fylly and correctly aware of this and providing a woman, who decides for not keepin' a child, with the necessary financial and psychological, if needed, compensation 2) educating people and raising their consciousness level, thus, raising their level of responsibility and serious attitude in the questions, alike. for all the lives possible of saving to be saved, to the max 3) taking into account the situation of conception, while, most importantly in this regard, I believe, addressing the possible psychological PTSD type issues involved, before making a final decision. More may be added, surely, as well as the constant sociological checks within the context. Shall gladly hear everyone's thoughts, too. Thanks :)
New Zealand used to have a system very similar to Germany. The law changed a few years ago, making getting an abortion easy and extending the deadline. We haven't seen any increase in the number of women getting abortions. All we've seen is less pain and fear being experienced by the those women.
Plus an utter disregard of the life of the unborn child.
Most ppl fail to note the fact that the number of abortions doesn't increase significantly after it becomes legal
Maybe that's why 20% of kiwis move to Australia, 90% want citizenship.
@@jayz8839 Abortion law isn't driving Kiwis to move to Aussie. Whatever gave you that idea?
@@thehangmansdaughter1120 It is the terrible governance in general, but a disregard for human life is not a good start, particularly the most vulnerable with the biggest victim card you can get.
I was born in Germany, had my childhood here, but then as a teen and young adult I lived in Canada and the US. I returned to Germany in my twenties. And damn, was I ever shocked when I learned about our abortion laws! I thought that no way, how can this country be so backwards?! Our abortion laws, a relict from the Reich, are a stain on this country. Germany is a free and liberal country - unless you are a fertile biological female.
wtf are you talking about? I have a few female friends who are German, and they haven't had or see problems with this system. the mandatory consultation is NO DIFFERENT than for most other medical procedure. unless its emergent, you need a meeting with and referral from a doctor for pretty much any medical treatment. so stop being a drama queen comparing this to Nazi germany. speed limits on the autobahn are also a relic of the reich fyi, does that make Germany's traffic laws backward?
Abortion was actually most used under the Reich, abortion has its origins in eugenics not that it is still that way, but I think that Germany is more conservative about abortions because it was really a N@zi medical practice and maybe historical trauma
Abortion is health care.
yes
Yet the men who were involved in making the baby in the first place are left to go on about life of their own free will. How come there are no questions making the man rethink why/how he got a woman pregnant in the first place?
He's not the one getting an abortion
Smoothbrain take. Men have to take accountability for the pregnancy whether she keeps it or not via child support. In many countries abortions are subsidized by the state meaning many males have to pay for you even when it had nothing to do with us.
So do you want the man to write an essay reflecting on why he accidentely impregnated someone or what? Does it have to be over a hundred words?
In my experience it’s been the women who take more risks. Women play an similar part in insemination. Your “getting her pregnant” is old-fashioned and passive.
As the US reworks abortion it should be done thoroughly. Fathers need to have rights too unless they opt out and relinquish them. We’re gonna need to have an actual open discussion.
The problem with requiring counseling for abortions is there is no comparable requirement for people choosing to give birth. Thats a bigger life change. Abortion should be compared to it since its the alternative. I can guarantee being sleep deprived and have your life change because of an infant is way more emotionally taxing. Nobody asks those women if they'd really thought about having the kid.
We should start from the foundation. How about not having sex when you are not ready to take care of the natural consequences? Is it just irresponsibility or lack of self-control, or both? For many people I have witnessed, it is just the sheer will to rebel against the natural moral order.
@@Lerian_V Comprehensive sex education reduces unwanted pregnancies. Education works, suppression doesn't.
@@DJ5540 I agree, comprehensive education should be given to adolescents. However, education on self-mastery and the practice of self control trumps every other bandaid that is being thrown at this problem.
@Lerian V - Keep your religious feelings to yourself. Look; if you are ACE and don’t want to have sex, that is your choice. The rest of us aren’t Catholics and don’t subscribe to your belief that sex should only occur for purposes of reproduction. Its also a healthy and important way humans bond and release calming endorphins.
@@Lerian_V I'd like to remind you that raped women did not have the choice for birth control or to have sex. Pro lifers really hate raped women don’t they?
The main point that I am taking away is that it is frowned upon but there are regulations so that it is allowed.
In the USA, there are a few differences.
1. Germany allows you to get an abortion through the correct paperwork which isn’t difficult. It might be intrusive.
2. In the USA, a person has to travel the span of an entire Germany just to get a proper jurisdiction.
3. The legislatures are trying to regulate birth control in USA. I don’t think they are doing that in Germany.
Access is about convenience. Not about whether or not it is “possible”
Under certain economic or familial situations lack of an easy access can make it an impossibility.
No. The US has the most availability and the most leniency. Besides Canada which is similar, the US has wildly permissive laws. Too much which is why it will be changed.
Texas is the only state that limits it severely and that was only in the last year.
just so you know how abortions are carried out
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@@thesisLAx The US definitely does not have 'the most availability'. Your argument stems from misinformation on several points, maybe it's time you, at the very least, get correct information before considering your standpoint?
#3 is just false btw, birth control can be found at every supermarket, pharmacy, and convenience store
According to Section 218 of the German Criminal Code (StGB), an abortion is generally illegal. However, it remains exempt from punishment under certain conditions on the basis of the so-called counseling regulation. In addition, abortion is possible on the basis of a medical or a criminological indication.
It goes unpunished up to 23 weeks of pregnancy.
Seems only fair.
@@Faustobellissimo It's basically just legal definitions, within the allowed timeframe it is de-facto legal and without repercussions or insurance issues for both pregnant women and doctors to seek and conduct abortions.
Yes, these exemptions are defined in paragraph 218a of the German Criminal Code.
First of all, thanks for the great video. Second i live in germany and didnt know anything about our laws regarding abortion. I'm in shock. Especially the young lady talking about her experiences broke my heart. She's in my age and im just sad it had to go that way. Will be on the next demo for better abortion rights and will for sure talk to my friends and others about it.
Again thank you so much for teaching us/me about our country.
Kloß im Hals.
❤️🙏
It broke your heart that she had to go through all of that. But it doesn't concern you that because of her irresponsibility a life lost its Existence of the World.
@@pingping6967 isnt it her choice to give life or to not give life? Its not her irresponsibility its her choice to say yes or no to the life she want for herself first of all. Thats my opinion if you cant live with it try to change some one elses. Best regards
@@pingping6967 not life at 11 weeks since it's not viable.... 6 months yes
@@violetl.4615 what's wrong with you man? how is not a life at 11 weeks?
what the hell is wrong with you people logic?
das Problem ist das viele Kliniken die das Anbieten, heftig von so widerlichen religiösen Dummies angekackt werden. Zb in Italien ist dass das gleiche Problem. Da fährst du rum um eine Klinik zu finden, und die scheußliche Bürokratie machts auch nicht besser. Jedoch wäre ich froh für Frauen das sie die Möglichkeit haben und wenn es nicht reicht dann über die Grenze gehen. Besser als die USA.
I wish they could consult the women about the financial benefits of having kids and the help they have after it’s here. Oh wait… there aren’t any
Don't kill the babies. But don't ask us to feed or adopt them either
Imagine seriously weighing the financial benefits against killing a baby. Enjoy hell.
@@barbaragdisis4606 Right. 🙄
I am pro-abortion. That doesn't mean I would do it myself. You can never judge what situation another woman is in.
abortions are just eugenics, it was only legal in the US for example, because one woman wanted to exterminate black people. And most women who get abortions usually sleep with many different men
@@MVGAactual when does that life start then?
So you support murder. Have fun in prison! Babies lives matter!
@@MVGAactual it's outrageous that you mix up Mengele's war crimes with women's rights. You want to dominate and control women, have the power over their live and body, that is the true evil of human nature.
What it ultimately comes down to is it's no ones business besides the woman involved and her doctor. I think there should be limits of course on how late you can reasonably do it in, extreme cases excluded of course.
One information: You can have an abortion in the first real 12 weeks of pregnancy. When you count pregnancy weeks you start counting from the first day of your last period. That means you‘re not pregnant before third/fourth week. So you can have that abortion in the first 14 weeks.
If you ever miss the three month deadline: in the Netherlands it is legal until sixth months! You still have options!
That’s disgusting . A 6 month old baby can live already
@@ci6516 the fact that it has to stay inside a person to survive means that it's not "living". The immense life support needed to keep it developing at a drastically lesser rate really speaks volumes on why it's not viable outside the womb.
Never judge a woman for why she decides to terminate, it could have been killing her, the fetus could be dead or extremely misformed to the point of immediate death after birth. The woman herself could be sick and unable to keep the fetus.
Your politicians who tout their moral superiority go behind their backs to access abortions for their daughters, mistresses, and prostitutes. Invalidating their conviction to "pro life" when it's convenient for them.
@@ci6516 The fetus, not a baby.
@@abugina a fetus is a baby . Pro murder people like you trick yourselves into separating yourselves from the act by trying to tell yourself “this isn’t a *baby* , it’s a *FETUS* , *fetus* sounds *nasty* therefore I don’t feel bad for killing a *nasty fetus* “
It’s an attempt of *dehumanization*
@@ci6516 cry about it😂.
The girl telling the story about taking pills 6 hours before and waking up with intense cramps. Yikes.
Wonder how the growing human felt? Heartbeat at 5 weeks. Nobody in entire doc ever considered what would be good for the OTHER body. Just “the woman”. It’s breathtaking the Self centered view. The woman who got the abortion was not a 15 yr old having sex w/ her first BF. Full grown woman sleeping with her ex DIDNT use BIRTH CONTOL? Why not? How come nobody in whole pandering DOCU didn’t even ask the intelligent woman “why didn’t you avail yourself of birth control b4 you slept with your ex?”
Something has to be added here. It's only technically true that West Germany always banned abortions in most cases until 1995, there were many attempts to allow abortions until the third month and in the 70s the West German parliament actually passed a law allowing abortions until the third month and it once again passed a law as a unified parliament in 1992 to do the same, but both hof these attempts were all stopped by the all-male Supreme Court up until 1995, when they finally didn't take an anti-choice position.
These men in the Supreme Court actually argued that article one of the constitution "the value of the human is untouchable" prescribed a pro-life position. They also argued that the right to choose over women's bodies is secondary to the right to life of "the unborn". That's what you get when you don't allow women on the benches for a long time...
"Der Schwangerschaftsabbruch muß für die ganze Dauer der Schwangerschaft grundsätzlich als Unrecht angesehen und demgemäß rechtlich verboten sein. Das Lebensrecht des Ungeborenen darf nicht, wenn auch nur für eine begrenzte Zeit, der freien, rechtlich nicht gebundenen Entscheidung eines Dritten, und sei es selbst der Mutter, überantwortet werden."
That's from the ruling of the 1998 court, and 4 from 8 judges where woman.
@@gene9230 You are completely wrong! Your date is wrong, so is the number of women on the court.
Only one woman was a member of the 8-member "2. Senat" in 1993, when we had the decision, not 1998. In 1998, when there were more women on the court, the BVerfG actually did a decision on abortion that was less mysogynist than the one in 1993, when it was almost completely male. They actually upheld some rights against a restrictive Bavarian law on it.
@@gene9230 Im Übrigen, wie krank ist der folgende Abschnitt:
"Rechtlicher Schutz gebührt dem Ungeborenen auch gegenüber seiner Mutter. Ein solcher Schutz ist nur möglich, wenn der Gesetzgeber ihr einen Schwangerschaftsabbruch grundsätzlich verbietet und ihr damit die grundsätzliche Rechtspflicht auferlegt, das Kind auszutragen."
RECHTSPFLICHT, das Kind auszutragen!
Das bedeutet einen Zwang, das Kind auszutragen. Es ist unvorstellbar, sowas heute zu fordern, und zeigt, wozu das führt, wenn fast nur Männer im Gericht sitzen.
@@lupen_rein wie gesagt saßen genauso viele Frauen wie Männer im Gericht. Abgesehen davon ist es sexistisch zu behaupten die Entscheidung liege am Geschlecht der Richter.
@@gene9230 Nur weil du das wieder behauptest, macht es das nicht richtiger. Im Jahr 1993(!), in dem diese Entscheidung fiel, saß nur eine Richterin im 2. Senat des BVerfG, eine von 8.
Akzeptiere die Fakten, anstatt Falschaussagen zu verbreiten.
Should the government have the legal right to force people to use their bodies against their will to save the life of another person? Even at risk Of death, quality of life, physical damage to self, and financial ruin? Body autonomy is important.
The don't understand that they are not saving anyone. The baby can always be hurted, and the mother can get away with it. They can cause several issues by not eating or drinking properly or taking drugs. The baby is more likely to have an alcohol syndrome, because the mother was forced to have it.
The government doesn't understand that you can't protect something, that only eats, drinks and lives, because somebody else lives.
No one’s telling these women what they can and can’t do with their bodies. Killing babies though is off the table. So if your bodily autonomy ends up getting you pregnant, sorry but “it’s inconvenient” and “I’m not ready” arent great excuses for murder.
@@theAEDan But this doesn't make sense. They are allowed to harm the baby, but not allowed to "kill" it ("No one's telling these women...")? Imagine we would use that logic on born people. I can body harm you and can't get punished, as long as you don't die, it's fine.
That's why I am for abortion, because it's better not to be born, than made disabled on purpose. There are so many ways to harm or kill the baby, without an actual abortion. By law this is allowed, since it is your BODY. Your rights don't go away no matter what state you are in. Even corpses have rights.
@@theAEDan Get out of here. We dislike people who spit on raped women
They used to send people across the border up until the early 2000’s to back street clinics in The Netherlands which caused extreme problems once they returned home if there were problems like left over matter and infections. I’m glad they are now able to gain paperwork in Germany to end an unwanted pregnancy. The old way was no way to treat humans!
Edited correction of country!
you mean The Netherlands, but yes. sincerely a Dutch person that isn't from Holland :)
@@ozzzie90 yes my mistake. I knew it was one of the borders 👍
@@ellabella1659 don't apologize,ur point was right on...
Also,no one addresses the problem of normal,active,pretty,popular,all A's,with strictly god worshipping families whom they would rather die than tell they did something human( or were forced)high school girls giving birth to fetuses in secret,or worse,giving birth to preemy live babies than burying them in dumpsters ,which occurs more often than one thinks or knows about .....how frightening,dangerous situation...they'll be more of that won't there? 🤔😢✌️
i bet they had fun having the orgazam though eh - life for a life
Disgusting
Abortion in Canada is legal at all stages of pregnancy, regardless of the reason, and is publicly funded as a medical procedure under the combined effects of the federal Canada Health Act and provincial health-care systems. However, access to services and resources varies by region.While some non-legal barriers to access continue to exist, Canada is the only nation with absolutely no criminal restrictions on abortion. Nevertheless few providers in Canada offer abortion care beyond 23 weeks and 6 days without a medical reason as outlined by provincial regulatory authorities for physicians.
Disgusting
Wow why can't America be as progressive as Canada. There are real medical reasons why abortions are needed people need to stop passing judgment with no idea about what's really going on. Go Canada 🇨🇦
Yuck! Canada needs a patriot to take over to stop the senseless killing of babies. Life begins AT CONCEPTION!
Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay the bill to perform an abortion, the 2 involved needs to pay there own medical bills, just like most people.
That’s not right, in later development the fetus can feel pain
I have used the goverment help to have an abortion. It was most helpful and life saving. I am really thankful for it. 🙏🏽
They defend murderers. Ignore Roe.
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The govt is the best partner in crime to have
@@jayz8839 There is no crime here
@@purpleblack475 murder
@@b2spirit892 Abortion isn't murder, try again
Thank you for the easy access education and not deciding my choice in any subject, even ones so delicate. Thank you for answering every question and all the hard work required to create such informational conversations and content. Thank you. I wish I could work for you, so I'd have the money to help fund furthering this kind of work in education and research.
I think you're confused and commenting on the wrong video.
This channel isn't about education or research... It's called "infotainment".
@@Vanpotheosis ok, have a nice day
They defend murderers. Ignore Roe.
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Abortion is a basic human right
Lmao we never had the right to murder people 🤣😂
It’s not a right. It relates to the definition of a right.
Fathers should be allowed to opt out of rights and obligations before the woman can schedule a procedure. This way the father can exempt himself from any possible manipulations related to the procedure if he responds quickly.
just so you know how abortions are carried out
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Not really a right to murder children
@@tonysnow2141 feotuses aren’t people by any definition
To those who claim it's against God to get an abortion, God gave the virgin Mary a choice and didn't impregnate her until she agreed.
If God can respect her choice, man should definitely do so too.
Stop trying to force your ideologies on others, the bible preaches that we should love others as ourselves, not to judge others for their actions, but yet there are people who will do that for personal choices that don't affect others. Pregnancy only affects the person who carries, nobody else.
He is against abortion your killing someone
Pregnancy effects the child. You’re not about to bring God into this when God is not in you. God is against abortion and the taking of innocent vulnerable human life. So you take him in your mouth and then spit at him with your words.
Huh? In what world was she given the choice? It was a trial for her read again please. What kind of God do you believe in that has to ask for consent of His Creation. I don't have words to describe this kind of belief. Also how does the pregnancy only concern the one who carries? The father of that child has no say in the killing of it? You haven't seen how abortions occur have you. A baby fully formed and they put a blade in her womb to chop it to bits so that it can "go down the drain". Absolutely disgusting.
I’m not religious but that was possibly the worst analogy I’ve ever read in my life
@@hmzzrg5045 God gave us free will, we do what we want. If you choose to disobey, then you go to hell. That's what happens when we have free will.
If she failed, she wouldn't have been the virgin Mary, we would have someone else. But notice how this operates on faith and her saying that she would give birth. Not God forcing her.
I don't think that getting an abortion is too hard in Germany and I think a consultation from someone who is not the doctor is a good thing.
The main problem though is that many abortion consultations are made by religious consultants, like Diakonie (evangelical) or Karitas (catholic). There is a problem of extremely biased consultants who talk women out of abortion who later regret thier decision or who plant doubts into womens minds who do the abortion and regret later on. Especially in Bavaria, one of the most religious regions it might be hard to find unbiased consultation and easy access to doctors who perform the abortion.
I luckily live in eastern Germany. With our heritage from GDR, social pressure on women who want an abortion is a lot easier.....
I think the biggest hurdle is the "deadline"
12 weeks isn't a lot of time
it's good though if they don’t get an abortion since it's basically brutally murdering an innocent child
Oh wow....I had my daughter in Bavaria. Lol
Well there are many which go to a non religious counseling. Also there are counselors which just will agree with the abortion and give no counseling at all.
@@lal12 it depends in where you are. Within the city, you have numerous choices, but in rural aeras, you can be glad to find one that gives you an appointment in time. Near my old place in Bavaria, Oberpfalz for example there is only a katholic counseling within the 1 hour drive (by car, even more with public transport) nearby. No way of getting unbiased secular counseling here.
There are areas, where acces to non religious counceling isn't possible. I think Funk or Y-Kollektiv made a short German documentary about that, if you are interested.
I didn't even find out I was pregnant until I was 14-15 weeks.
Apparently the time starts counting from the last period you had, so in practice German women can get an abortion up to 14 weeks. That's still way too short though.
@@KarlSnarks that's incorrect. Pregnancy is counted from the last period, so generally around 2 weeks before conception actually occurs. This means a German woman can Only have an abortion up until around 10 weeks post conception of 8 weeks after the first missed period, bearing in mind not every woman's periods are like clockwork (and some women experience bleeding in early pregnancy that they could mistake for a period) so some don't realise until its too late.
Sorry, poor perception isn’t a good enough excuse to kill a baby, demon.
If you are not a woman yet don't have seckz. Women handle their business and can weather the storms.
@@jayz8839 do you apply the same standard to men though?
I support abortion rights.
The far majority of Germany does which is why our sprite is just way better than in the USA
I think a country has the priority to serve their citizens first and last time I checked you need to have a birth certificate to qualify as a citizen.
this is simply not true in Germany. The highest priority has human dignity in German law, which applies to all humans regardless of citizenship.
5:24 That some would try to coerce and manipulate a woman in such a vulnerable and emotionally raw time is _disgusting!_ 😠
Those people often assume that the only reason that someone would resort to this is from just not wanting it or just wanting to be free or whatever, which is absurd, there are _numerous_ reasons why a woman would resort to having to do this. But even if that were true, even if there were no such thing as defective fetuses, even if there were no such thing as assault, even if every procedure were just because of malfunctioning birth-control and a lack of desire to have a kid (at this time), how does that make it any less necessary? What's the alternative? Do they expect to force them to have a child they don't want? Do they force them to have a child they'll neglect? Do they force them to have a child they can't afford to support? Will those people just adopt all of these babies themselves? Nope, definitely not. In fact, those "pro-life" people are usually also anti-support, they usually whine and complain about social-assistance, they bad-mouth socialism and try to reduce or eliminate welfare and disability and every other form of "free food/money/etc."
Moreover, even if they weren't filthy hypocrites, even if they _would_ adopt all of these babies, who says these women _want_ to give them up? Just because they can't or don't want to have a baby now and/or ever doesn't mean they want to create one and then give it away to someone else to have. Maybe they don't like the idea of their genes being passed on (eg the relatives of a certain 1930s German A.H.) Or maybe it causes them a tremendous amount of mental distress and anguish to know that they _did_ want a child but couldn't keep it because they weren't in a position to support it and had to let it go for the child's best interest and now there's some strangers out there who have their child.
Maybe the idea of it not existing is less distressing. Maybe allowing them the option to detect it and get rid of it as soon as possible is better than trying to prevent them and forcing them to reach a point where it becomes emotionally harder. 😠
_Handmaid's Tale_ was wrong, Gilead isn't the USA, it's the whole world. 😒
7:00 There's a difference between feeling good about something and feeling like you did the right thing. Many women feel bad that they had to resort to doing that, because that's exactly what it is, nobody WANTS to do it, it's a LAST RESORT. But that doesn't mean they feel it was wrong. They can feel bad that they were in a position to have to do it but feel like they made the right/best choice for themselves and the baby at the same time, they are NOT mutually-exclusive.
7:26 No. No, you most certainly do NOT have to play devil's-advocate and role-play as the fetus. To what end? That's what's so annoying about these people. They try to fantasize about what the baby MIGHT be if it gets born (again, assuming that the only reason this is being done is because it's "not wanted" and pretending the numerous other reasons don't exist, they always ignore things like "let's role-play that it's born… without half of its head" or "let's role-play that it's born… with its father-grandfather's hemophilia genes" or "let's role-play that it's born… and its mother is reminded of that night in the alley every time it sees it").
They try to fantasize about they baby's life if it's allowed to grow, always with the same idealistic fantasy about toys and siblings in a house in _Leave it to Beaver_ and never imagine it growing up wearing secondhand donated clothing and eating free lunches for the poor kids and getting bullied, or living in a cardboard box in an alley, or having to get a secret job at 8, or being abused in a foster home, or being abused in an orphanage, or being abused by the stepfather, or…
They try to use specious arguments like "what if it could grow up to be the next Einstein?" and ignore the equally valid "what if it grows up to be the next 1930 German Charlie Chaplin?" 😒
They try to use emotions to fantasize about lot of "what-ifs" about potential, hypothetical, imaginary harm that could come in a parallel universe from the baby not being born, and ignore the actual, tangible, real, direct harm that would happen to the baby if it IS born, let alone the harm that would happen to the mother. Hypocrisy should be a punishable crime. 😠
7:40 How will a country treat all the cells that died when I scratched my butt a minute ago? 🤔
7:45 The "pro-life" people are full contradictions (read hypocrisy). They put more value on the life of a possible future-human that doesn't exist yet than on the life of the woman that's already here and already has so much to lose. They put more value on the imaginary hypothetical life of a clump of cells than on the doctors that they harm when they bomb their clinics. Again, hypocrisy should be a punishable crime. 😠
8:51 Yup, that sounds about right. So-called "pro-life" religious zealot overpopulating breeders are very much like 1930s Germany in many ways. 😒 It's curious though, on the one hand A.H. et. al. would obviously want Germans to breed as much as possible, but they also wanted to eradicate anyone they didn't like and terminated a lot of potential-people. … 9:12 This makes sense for 1930s Germany. (1) They'd want to avoid risking the life of an existing German woman since forcing her to risk her life to go through one childbirth is numerically inefficient, so it makes more sense to terminate this dangerous one and keep her alive to pump out several more later. (2) They want the purest, best genes, so a defective baby must obviously go, but if it's a "good, proper German woman", it doesn't make sense to throw the whole cow away because of one bad batch of milk, just try again. (3) Um… 🤔 I've got nothing on this one, 1930s Germans did _lots_ of crimes, including SA, so I don't think they'd care about that, in fact, they'd specifically do this _to_ make new German babies. 🤷
10:40 They're not allowed to advertise the "type" of service they provide? What does that even mean? What do you mean "type"? Like chocolate, strawberry? Or coat-hanger, soup-ladle? They all have the same end-result, so what difference does it make to prevent them from specifying the "type". 🤨
11:13 Yeah, that's the point. Duh. They're hoping that if they can stall you long enough, it'll be too late and you'll be screwed.
12:30 Again, this is intentional. They _know_ that you have no way of detecting you're pregnant for a while, that's why they specifically set the limits so that by the time you suspect, get a test, find out, and search for a doctor, it'll be too late. I'd say they're evil geniuses, but only the first half would be accurate. 😒
12:50 _Again,_ this is all intentional. They go out of their way to try to stall and delay and find ways to prevent women from finding out and putting up obstacles to prevent them from getting it done as soon as possible when it's still quick and easy and painless and low-risk and the fetus is just a clump of cells, they intentionally try to stall until it becomes risky and dangerous and painful and requires more unpleasant methods and the fetus looks like a "person" to try to use emotional attacks. Again, absolutely disgusting 😠
I particularly LOVED the "How will a country treat all the cells that died when I scratched my butt a minute ago?" I will borrow it, if you don't mind ;)
🤦🏿♂️ Do you feel better now that you rambled out 3 books worth of nonsense that amounts to the same 2 nothing talking points that are just embarrassing to repeat?
First, "defective fetuses". You meant a child you don't want. I'd say its no more defective than you, but, the unborn baby isn't incoherently rambling on TH-cam about how we should kill people so I'm putting it higher on the food chain than you. Assault and defective birth control are both extremely minorities, obviously. But you already know you wouldn't be anymore concise even if it were limited to those extreme circumstances, so why bother complaining about them. Were you hoping if you just typed enough words, it suddenly would make more sense? Doesn't work that way. Sorry. No one is forcing anyone, as already established. You choose to conceive even if its completely due to irresponsibility, thats still not anyone forcing anything, unless you meant forcing someone to deal with their own bad decisions. And you're choosing the "life" (just her desires) of an irresponsible adult woman, instead of the child who isn't less of a child just because you spend more time scratching your butt-cells than using your brain cells. Although, to be fair, I'd bet you've killed enough of the latter for dozens of "defective fetuses". We get it, you're depressed and don't want to live, and or REALLLY reeally slow and just hate responsibilities. Either way, thats a you problem. You've got no room to talk about hypocrisy when you want to cry for and try to free every real serial "grapist"/murderer but would coat hanger every baby you see if you could. Thats real hypocrisy, and a lot more common than attacking Abortion Clinics. If you don't want "defective fetuses" don't have sex. Simple as....you.
& even if they did adopt, the child would be raised by hypocrites! Amongst multiple other negatives that seems to come with this crowd!
Thank you for your comment! Excellent, said everything I wanted & more.
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Well said. Thank you
There are numerous reasons someone is a dead-beat dad, doesn't mean any of those reasons are a valid excuse.
Why is my uterus any one else's business in ANY country???
Next time someone sentences me for murder, Ill just say it’s none of their business. Simple! Thanks for the tip
Yeah why is your actions against others ever judged. 🙄🙄
The self centered bullshit you take by only repeating dogma is crazy. Sex is not a toy, take it seriously so you don't have to be deciding such a hard choice. Shutdown your WombGrave.
@@mountairyforjesus ok but murdering a conscious person is completely different from aborting an unconscious and unfinished body. Why do you compare fetuses to citizens that are fully developed and living their lifes?
@@alman8908 Fetus is Latin for small child, so you can just say baby.
Can we murder people on life support too? They’re not conscious…
@@Oskiic In abortion, little children are being slaughtered. Over 60 million. Mass genocide…
Y'all get mad at stuff that doesn't have to do w y'all 💀💀
In the GDR ("East Germany"), the right to an abortion was guaranteed for all women and free of charge after 1972. 1990 marked a U-turn in women's liberation in Eastern Germany, as fertility rates and divorce rates plummeted.
You mean DDR?
@@IndicatedGoodLife It's GDR in English
Oh ok
You can say a lot about communism, but you can't say it wasn't pro-abortion.
I think that we even scratched the surface in historic exploration of the regression of women rights happening throughout the 'Wende' (reunification of Germany).
I think a women should have full control over her own body/uterus. if she doesn't want the child and law is prohibiting abortion she may search for dangerous ways to get rid of the fetus.
Just when you think you know a country…
Yea its pretty easy to get an abortion here. Went through it twice with my partner. If you are not a complete troglodyte its pretty up and front.
@@IndicatedGoodLife How about using condoms? Talking about troglodytes yet acting like one yourself xD
So what does it sound like abortion is outright illegal in Germany.
Rather, it is illegal with some exceptions for pregnancy that is less than 12 weeks old.
No, it's illegal, an actual crime. It's a crime that remains unpunished under certain circumstances.
Definitively one of your worse videos, Vice. You‘re totally blowing things waaay out of proportion.
I‘m German and getting an abortion is possible. It‘s not "easy", there are rules and it requieres consultation, but if you want one, you can get one. Period. The "technically Germany criminalizes abortion" is nothing more than a little fun fact of sorts, but this video blew that bit completely out of proportion.
The only thing people really fought against is paragraph 219A, and this fight has been won.
Further fun fact: Until 2018 Hessia had de jure still the death penalty, but sadly they removed it since there's thankfully no way in which it could have been enforced.
@@angela_merkeI lol, didn't know that
@@gagarie2797 It's surprising though because you associate Germany with National Socialism, not being dead-beat parents. I thought it was a family orientated society.
VATICAN CITY -
Pope Francis is allowing all priests to absolve women of the “grave sin” of abortion, extending indefinitely special permission he had granted for the duration of the just-ended Holy Year of Mercy.
Francis wrote in the Apostolic Letter made public by the Vatican on Monday that “there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled” with God
Key word “Repentent”. Most women don’t seem to be bothered. Maybe there are a lot of sociopath women. I begin to wonder when I see them screaming in the street demanding to kill their young in the womb. No comparable mammal on earth destroys their young in the womb.
The main legal issue in germany is, as usual, to be found in the middle of the 20th century. Because of events there and also abortions done there the state has a very high constitutional threshold when it comes to enact a law that affects the health or life of someone. In short, the state my not enact legislation which impairs or limits the chance of living for anyone and they must protect life at all costs as a mandate from the primary article #1.
Which in turn means that germany had a high legal bar to pass that a law on regulating abortion would make it through the constitutional challenges. Imo it could be more liberal, but in context I understand where it comes from, even if it is convenient for people who want to infringe on women on moralistic grounds.
“Be more like Europe”
Europe -
“Wait wait not like them !”
The video is okay from the making and reasoning but in the timeline of abortion in the law your forgot to mention that abortion was completely without punshinment for one year and then the Christian party had something against it and it was changed to the law from 93. it’s right that abortion was immediately put into the German criminal code but only bc there was no country before hand and yes Abortion was not legal before the founding of the states bond
“Had something against it”
People being against killing babies? How unforeseen. Enjoy hell.
Lmao it's NOT illegal. It's just not legal after 6 months. And i think thats good.
12 weeks aren’t 6 months dude.
🤦🏽♀️ that’s 3 months
Tbh if they stopped at 3 months Here people wouldn't fight against it. But California wants to kill babies 3 months after birth and several states alow the murder at birth. After the woman has the birth they throw it n the dumpster
@@JoBT42 Thats what i'm saying. In the US it's legal to abort until the 6th month. while in germany it's 12 weeks/3 Months.
@@tyrnei6877 You can still do late term abortions in the US in some states. It just has to be medically necessary. For instance the baby can’t survive once it’s born or the woman’s life is at risk. Just so you know, 99% of abortions occur before the three month mark in the US.
Some people need to learn that sometimes life means making decisions. If a woman or child has been abused or cannot do an pregnancy for medical reasons and becomes unwanted pregnant, she must be able to make her own decision to have an abortion, but only early in the pregnancy
Unborn child is misleading, to all scientific and medical accounts, it only becomes close to representing a child some months into the pregnancy.
Life starts with the function of the brain at week 20+
@@paxundpeace9970 thanks, I didn't know the exact number of weeks but I knew that it was a few! And I know that a zygote is NOT a human.
@@paxundpeace9970 As far as I know "Life" starts at conception. I think sience and the church actually agree on this. That's because if you define the start of life in any other way, it just doesn't work out. If you say "Life" starts at the functionality of the brain, then what about people with damaged brains? Are they only partially alive? Might seem like a stupid question, but it's genuinely what I ask myself if I read your comment. Would you care to elaborate? I'm genuinely interested.
New life starts at conception but is not a baby for a while to come. About 4 months. I say neural activity and heartbeat should mark this point.
@@gagarie2797 *science
Try spelling it.
Could you look at the scientific research behind artificial wombs for humans?
Heard researchers in the Netherlands claimed they were just a decade away from having something that could be used and I worry how that also could come into play with preventing abortion at the possibility of transferring the fetus from a woman/girl that doesn't want it to the artificial womb instead. With bodily autonomy in the air here in the US I wouldn't put it past some places forcing a woman/girl to undergo a procedure if they thought transferring the fetus could save it.
Another pregnancy story worth looking at also is Lina Medina youngest pregnancy in medical history at 5 years 7 months of age and to look into cases of girls under 15 in the US who were made to give birth and denied abortion.
I'm honestly impressed by the time and effort you put into these videos, keep it up!💛💛💛 (not a bot or fake response--@ all)
Lol get lost
I'm so impressed with the time and effort McDonald's puts in, they are my heroes.
Vice please make your font larger or use audio dubbing.
This video made me believe that everything seems pretty reasonable with the regulations.
Women should just stop having sex and therefore no abortions needed.
Problem solved.
Why do so many people dislike any video made by Vox? (this video is ~50/50)
Is this some kind of online troll society against Vox for whatever reason?
Vice, this is vice . Trashy ol’ woke nonsense vice
Looks like your the bot here
Vice puts video of Germany with 12 week ban on abortion -
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US state places 12 week ban ,
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@@internetprincess788 Everything. When a father abandons his kids we don't worry about his finances or mental health, he is the least of our worries at that point.
Abortion is basic health care. Abortion safeguards women's lives.
Dr. Mandy Mangler. That's a heck of a name😅
Tell me there isn’t drug traffic without telling me there’s drug traffic
Every Knee Shall Bow Every tongue Shall Confess That Jesus Christ Is Lord
Impossible choice to make tbh
All depends on one's readiness to be a parent and/or the child-bearer's perspective on when is when I'm pregnancy.
Not impossible, but not with clear-cut ease either.
Is Islam abortion is forbidden because it’s a crime you are killing a human being that god give you as a gift and a lot of other people wish to have kids so people be thankful if you have a child 🧒 and pray for others to have too
No!!! I was told just yesterday from several Islamist that all abortion is great because Trump....I know that doesn't make sense, but that's what they told me.
Isn’t this the same Islam where the founder had a child bride who was nine when he was in his 50s? I’m pretty sure we shouldn’t be taking morality from someone who clearly doesn’t care about women’s right to consent.
@@thezu9250 you know what's really funny you are talking BS without reading even a word on the story and copy paste BS and that's it go learn a little about islam and the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) read a little ignorant duck
@@thezu9250 not all Muslims are the same and women in Islam have more rights then any women in the world sometimes families are crazy it’s like when girls date at a young age and they get pregnant 🤰 do you think that’s right I live in America and i know a girl that got pregnant when she was nine so please before speaking bad about others you should focus on your own life or on your own country
@@eighterthabest9024 that’s not right because abortion is forbidden in Islam you are basically killing a human being
Germany places 12 week ban on abortion -
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US state places same exact ban -
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They already have those restrictions in place. People are freaking out because they’re trying to get rid of those options or reduce them to ridiculous numbers. Just so you know, 99% of abortions in the US take place before three months anyways. So clearly no one has a reason to freak out if that’s what people wanted.
Germany and no nation is trying to make contraception illegal unlike the USA( Hungary maybe)
No one in the USA is trying to make contraception illegal. Where do you get your information?
@@jaybee9269 watch C-Span sometimes. The lawmakers in Louisiana and Alabama are making claims that birth control is abortion light. These are actual statements they’ve made. While we think things won’t get extreme…it’s already happening.
This is a manipulative scare tactic. Contraception will remain. Most religious Americans support it even.
Fathers should be allowed to opt out of rights and obligations before the woman can schedule a procedure. This way the father can exempt himself from any possible manipulations related to the procedure if he responds quickly.
Lies. Contraception isn't even the issue of this video, numpty.
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Wie kann jemand einen professionellen Trader kennen, dem man vertrauen kann, wenn legitime Trader heutzutage schwer zu finden sind?
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Ist das nicht dieselbe Frau SUSAN ELLA, von der meine Nachbarn sprechen, sie muss eine perfekte Expertin sein, damit die Leute so gut über sie sprechen können ...
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Now its back to “my body my choice” but this wasn’t so when these same ppl were pressuring others to get a clot shot they didn’t want
@Luis guzman torrente Louis, someone else refusing medication for something thats 99% none fatal is less harm to you, than you killing an unborn child....Thats just you making up hypothetical nonsense, whereas the child is right here and doesn't want to definently violent kill it. Try again.
Do we really value the expert medical opinion someone called "Skylar"? Too bad that name isn't your choice huh! Lmfao
@@bibleburner Kind of just basic facts you didn't like, not mention ignoring what you do...
@Luis guzman torrente killing someone else is not affecting you so why it's a criminal act it doesn't affect you directly !!
@Luis but vaccines don't stop pandemics as we can see.
Her experience sounds bad for her.
It's like you can get it but We recommend you that you don't in every possible way.
That's true how are you doing
Well said.
Should be last option. By being responsible and not treating sex as toy or something to do because your bored you avoid this heavy decision. It's has life changing consequences. This nuance is what is lost in the US. We have a culture that tells women to be irresponsible sexually. Many women use abortion after thinking hooking up and causal lifestyle leads to happiness. It's a shame culture and media promoted sex "freedom". Think how comoso magazine and sex in the city marketed this lifestyle to women. Read subverted by sue Ellen browder to understand how capitalist advocates marketed this lifestyle to women. It means more profits for companies if women live this modern women sex in the city type of lifestyle.
@@houseofhas9355 It's how a woman who feels she has no worth gets validated by men.
@@jayz8839 thats 1-2% of the population. You can't trick me with this emotional tactic. We are talking about the selfish career women who knowing have unprotected sex, get pregnant and assassinate their baby.
When does abortion have limit for you? Is there a limit? . Are you always supporting women always, or can they do no wrong?
Accountability and responsibility with sex is a real concept. As long as you let them keep getting an out, for the abuse of babies in womb and it will lead to more and more womb graves. Where is you sense of justice for that baby or do you believe in the dehumanizing language marketed to you when it comes to abortion. Words Like fetus and embryo. These words came about because of marketing to cover up the human discomfort people feel about abortion, especially repeated abortion.
J.esus Christ Returns, repent of sin and ,,,,change your Way of living
Nah
Leave us alone with your delusions
@@er-ge2vc Godlessness is a delusion
Well, there certainly is a reason why abortions as of themselves are illegal in Germany. The constitution states clearly: The dignity of the human is sacred.
What is happening here is that the law weights the woman's and the child's rights against each other and then decided that in cases of normal pregnancy one can terminate it within 12 weeks without getting persecuted.
Your baby
Your responsibility
I'm honestly impressed by the time and effort VICE News put into these videos. Keep it up! 💛💛💛
I'm not against anyone choice it's their body. But .
I think the World really coming to an end ☕ 🐸😭🙈🙉🙊
Feels like that a lot,especially recently,I know.
8:16 Dear God the artwork!
Yep. We germans are very open people...😁😁😁😁😁
You find it odd? In a gynaecologist’s office? Where are you from?
@@Malilimutin >> Somewhere with taste…?
@@jaybee9269 Why do you find artistic depictions of human anatomy "distasteful"?
It’s great isn’t it? The human body is a magnificent organism.
I think that abortion should be legal. But only if men also get the right for a financial abortion on paper. So if a man doesn't want a child, then he has 20 weeks time to decide whether he wants to keep the child or not.
The woman has 22 weeks time to decide if she wants an abortion. So even if the guy takes the full 20 weeks time, she still can make an abortion if she cannot care for the child alone. Easy as that. Either we both can disconnect financially and/or physically from the child, or neither of us get to do that. Everything else is sexist and unfair.
AND she has to tell him as soon as she finds out that she is pregnant. She has to prove that she told him. Otherwise he gets the right to decide to get a financial abortion from the child up to 18 weeks after he finds out, even if it is after the 20 weeks mark. It's her own fault if she didn't tell him.
How about wearing a condom?
@@rejectionisprotection4448 Works both ways buddy.
based germany
Ja, ich habe meine Kinder abgetrieben. Ich werde es wieder tun, du kannst mich nicht aufhalten!
I think its stupid that it is illegal...
But I'm glad they are still able to
Pressuring them to not do it in a "councelling" also feels wrong...
What happened to the Columbian narco war video
The abortion laws seems very reasonable in Germany I don't know what this video is complaining about.
Folks, a pregnancy should not be a surprise unless a medical professional told you pregnancy was virtually impossible based on your medical condition. Otherwise expect a pregnancy after hot and heavy sex. This is not meant for violations.
Ok expect a pregnancy but why the hell is there so much fetus worshiping? You’d think people believe the damn fetus will save their soul if they worship it enough. 😂
@@omnistpagan3282
That wasn't a counter-argument.
Wow, someplace with sane abortion policies! Congratulations, Germany.
"Restrictions on termination of life are restrictions on freedom and privacy resulting in extreme hardship! My body, my choice! Except for COVID-19-related mandates; restrictions on freedom and privacy resulting in extreme hardship are necessary to protect life!"
If you don’t see any contradictions, why not move to Shanghai, where the ultimate "protective measures" against COVID-19 are still in place and late-term abortion up to the moment before birth is legal?
This is what the USA needs to do. Plus the opportunity of an abortion if raped and or life threatening to go through with pregnancy to either baby or mother. Plus a circumstance taken into consideration clause.
The thing is that’s less than 1% of all abortions. It’s like .03% of all abortions are for medical emergency or rap3. No one is pro life has an issue with the .03% . We have an issue with the 99.7 who think nothing of killing a baby
Half the time their in masks & other times not...like make it make sense!
Who would think Germany is wiser than the good ole 🇺🇸 in this matter. Changes due to a more intelligent,present day attitude for their women.... hahahaha.WOW.😳🤔
At least we Germans learned from the past and changed for the better while the USA gets more of a hellhole every year. Most Germans lost every ounce of respect after that fucking idiot Trump got elected who our ex chancelor Merkel had to explain multiple times that he could not strike a trade deal directly with Germay but only with the EU. That is like Economics 101 that the big Business man did not understand.
Fathers should be allowed to opt out of rights and obligations before the woman can schedule a procedure. This way the father can exempt himself from any possible manipulations related to the procedure if he responds quickly.
@@thesisLAx I must say,rarely,the biological father is considered and how all affects them.👍
I find,some people r just pro birth and after that ur life is f***ked or grandma gets u......thank the gods for gram's,gramps.( Most of the time ). 👋
@@Maya_Pinion in the US and multiple European countries there is a shortage of babies to adopt. Adoptive parents are heavily screened.
MY BODY MY CHOICE goes well for hijab supporters as well.
What about those who are in Muslim majority countries and refuse to wear the hijab or want to convert out of Islam?
Would you also agree with “My Body AND MY MIND, my choice”?
@@bunnystrasse There are certain code of ethical dressing in every country. I believe public nudity is a punishable offence even from where you are. Dressing up more is not a crime however.
@Максим Соломонов Absolutely. You got my point.
@@mohammedthamjeed7206 why are women forced to cover their heads but men aren't? What's the reasoning behind it exactly?
@@darcymr353 I'm currently working in Saudi Arabia. Women are not forced to cover their heads by law here. It is rather a teaching in Islam on how a believing woman must dress modestly. Even the Bible advocates women to cover their heads (1 Corinthians 11:6), but Christians do not follow the Bible to the word.
Even though a Muslim woman is free to choose how to dress, in some cases their families force them to follow Islamic teachings for their best intrest.
But, If you ask any Muslim woman if is she forced to cover her head, the majority will say they are doing it out of their free will.
" MY BODY, MY CHOICE "
Baby : what about my body you want to chop up and kill?
You’re not allowed to have abortions when it’s a fully developed baby. So not sure what you’re even talking about.
It could be a toddler in there, it still doesn't have the right to use a woman's body against her will. This is what bodily autonomy is.
@@darcymr353 Exactly, I abandoned all my children to many different mothers, why should they use my body to provide for them? My body, my choice, let them suffer, should have aborted.
Pretty sure a clump of cells can't talk
thank you yeshua for destorying roe
"Terminate the pregnancy" That's a weird way of spelling "killing your baby". In my state the would all be put against the wall.
It's the empowerment of women, not baby genocide. Have some empathy.
Where I live a lady, a NP psychiatrist, cut her own son's head off. Is 4 too late Vice?
Being pro-life is not just about punishing our women for fornicating.
We are also told to care about the fetuses.
"Only care about fetuses".Pro life organizations were caught on tape saying that once the woman gives birth they don't "give handouts" and the same people oppose regulations for paid leave for mothers, free child healthcare or Sex-ed. The maternal deathrate in the US is really high and because the treatment for an abortion and a miscarriage is the same, the number will increase.Oklahoma banned abortion without exceptions even in cases of rapes and they have an active sex trafficking ring ( the Tulsa Police Department said that the problem has exploded in the past few years) the marriage age there can be as young as 16 and there are also nurses, social workers shortages and a growing homelessness rate.The number of abortions were also the lowest since Roe v Wade was introduced and decreasing so I am confused why this was an issue. Most pro lifers that I know are like ostriches with their heads in the sand: when I tell them that this decision will have a body count without first fixing the system to support new mothers and assist the abused women they just copy paste : " I am saving babies" and this just proves the superficiality of their values.
These hurdles just make it harder to access within the time limit and create delays that make complications more likely. It is absurdly patronizing to say that women cannot decide for themselves before seeking services. Most already knew what they wanted if they got pregnant.
If they already knew they didn't want a baby then they should have taken the proper precautions to begin with
@@DroneBeeStrike Precautions are not perfect, nor are they the only appropriate measure.
@@nathanlevesque7812 I'm pretty sure abstinence works every time, unless you believe in that one time about 2022 years ago.
Sorry but just because you create a person by accident didn't mean you can kill it on purpose.
@@DroneBeeStrike Humans have to attempt abstinence for it to work, and as you may have noticed--human beings are not robots. Just because people can technically choose not to do something doesn't mean that it's as simple as that. We do not have a on/off switch for behavior. You do not get to define abstinence as 'only when it works' and then say 'it always works'.
Also, you are reducing it *to procreation like we live in the middle ages. Grow up.
"create a person"
Not applicable. A fertilized egg is not a person. An undifferentiated cluster of cells is not a person. Anything without a developed, functioning brain is not capable of personhood. DNA does not contain a soul. Cell division is just protein synthesis and splitting the plasma membrane. You are archaic.
@@nathanlevesque7812 its absolutely that simple, it's just not easy and I acknowledge that. But, play stupid games win stupid prizes. It's not like anyone should be surprised they've gotten pregnant when they've engaged in intercourse.
Sorry I didn't realize you were the authority on what is and isn't a human being. I think we can look at the times in history where we have decided that certain groups don't count as people and see how that turned out. There's no other way to create a human, so yes a fertilized egg is literally that. I mean, it's not a chicken is it?
We know who would make great assassins for the C.I.A. and Academi.
A man abandons his child and is called a dead beat, a mother kills her baby and its called her choice.
There's a special place in Hell for those guys, quite obvious Satan has daddy issues. (His dad is God, fallen angel).
she doesn't even think that she did something illegal. this woman is disgusting. how could butchering a bsby not feel illegal?
She got rid of a couple of cells and not a full grown baby. What are you even talking about
@@thezu9250 At 12 weeks its not a couple of cells
@@majesticwolf5741 Which is why you have to get it before then. Nearly all abortions occur way earlier than that
"My body my choice" doesn't make much sense to me because it's not about suicide it's about ending another being's life
But its not a human yet.
She is actually saving their lives because what if she wasn't ready to be a mother? What if she was in a toxic environment/toxic mindset? It's better for the child to not exist at all rather than exist with mommy issues, or worse, motherless (if she throws him in the orphanage)
No one wants a child to suffer, if she isn't ready to be a mom so mote it be
It's about bodily autonomy. Nobody can use someone else's body against their will, for their own benefit. We don't restrain people and take their blood in order to keep people alive who need blood. Or do you think forced blood removal should actually replace blood donation?
Imagine meeting whoever created this universe and trying to justify murdering one of their people.
I don't understand why people reward people for being lazy or haveing sex on drugs or alcohol. Most babies die because of drugs or alcohol. Its why they are doing it
OMG, the longer you wait, the hormones make you start loving your baby, which makes it so much harder to kill. How do we put a stop to these illiberal laws?
But those hormones aren't going to help the woman pay for journal of pregnancy or birth. If you want abortion to decrease, help the woman out. Support her either emotionally, financially or physically.
@@isabellalopez1839 Good idea, women should only have sex in financially stable marriages.
@@isabellalopez1839 what an amazing concept. So you mean like, committed loving partners in a long term relationship that only have responsible intercourse with each other? Like where the woman has time to take care of the child while the man helps support her by working? Sounds far out
@@DroneBeeStrike as stated from this video women may not always in a loving committed relationship. Also sometimes a couple may decide to terminate because they already have kids and can’t afford another.
@@soccerswimfan Pay attention to the conversation - is obvious that some people aren't in relationships. Isabella stated above that if we want abortions to decrease we should support the women emotionally, financially, and physically. But men aren't going to support women they aren't in a relationship with, why should they? The only reason I can think of is to raise a child. And no man I know is going to support a woman who isn't committed to him as well.
Couples using abortion as contraception are just irresponsible, and honestly that is the absolute worst class of abortions because it could be completely avoided.
How nice. How wonderfül. Less german in germany. Same annihilation.
So... the law is that abortion is illegal except if you follow these 3 criteria... yeah so?
It is also illegal to hit someone, except it is for self defense. I am so confused why they all about it like it is something crazy?
Also, the study shown makes no sense, since it shows women who had the abortion after the waiting period... so this means it worked and whoever "really" wanted the abortion, got it?
I also dont get what is so wrong about a consultion of 30 minutes. It is a serious decision and who knows, maybe the man of the woman forces her to a abortion and she doesnt want it actually (the abortion) and they could help her.
So, I only get that they dont like thinking about their decisions made and want to get it over with? This is a bit worrying.
Do you know how consultations are done? No.
But then they would 'feel bad'. It's all about the feels, not realizing you feel bad because your conscience is more powerful than u, and it will follow you like a ghost.
Dr Mangler said loosening laws doen't increace the amount of abortions (3:16) but that doesn't seem to be true; in the UK there's twice as many abortions, Sweden has many more.
I don't know why and I want someone to tell me, but why we give the woman the right of her body to do whatever she wants even by killing that innocent child without giving that child that right of life, is it because he's not able to express himself makes him weak so we can kill without any feeling of regret or remorse isn't it❓❓❓❓
we all know western people don't have morale code or religion they only believe in the absolute freedom and we all know the absolute freedom give you disasters so what do you expect from them ? there are no boundaries in their eyes they can't see or understand what is wrong with this devilish act and ofc ALOT of other things they accept it in the name of freedom like LGBTQABC and sex before marriage alcohol/drugs
Clearly English is not your first language. Your comment is not coherent at all.
@@Amanda-zg9pz ok many thanks for your language comments, but I see you didn't answer my questions
@@ahmedharagy2277 I can’t answer your question because it is not coherent. I don’t understand what you’re saying. That’s my whole point.
@@Amanda-zg9pz I understood him perfectly fine as an American, but you are just a dead beat parent which is far worse than not being fluent in English in the first place.
Wtf Germany?
Click bait headline to promote the reporter‘s view.
Why does amstra look like a pastor😂😂😂
How do we get the German government to enforce these laws?
At the end of the day, it is a risk you accept and you are responsible for your decisions. Saying it was a surprise or a mistake or an act of God is ridiculous, it was you...
The girl in the video took responsibility. She wasn't ready to be a mom. She would have had to quit her studies, her whole life would have changed, she wouldn't have been able to give the baby the life it deserved. Maybe her parents weren't ready to support her, who knows. Who is anyone to force her? It's her body, her life. Oh, and God doesn't exist. And if you think he does then don't get an abortion if it's against to your believes. But don't force them onto others.
@@zenpotato6162 I never said otherwise
I was thinking if you want an abortion and tried to go through the usual way, but all of the laws say that you can't have one think outside the box?
So what deal with it pro Russia 💯 Z ✌️♥️ Moors WorldWide
The thing is, what we consider as life is plain question of a definition. Surely, a child conceived already has a potential for a normal human life. and I believe, in order to treat the issue correctly, there R several measures that can B taken - :
1) if the society, that one lives in, is pro-life, a mother should have enough opportunities for a child to be given into foster care, with decent living conditions, surely, provided -
this one is on the government, then, as well as getting everyone fylly and correctly aware of this and providing a woman, who decides for not keepin' a child, with the necessary financial and psychological, if needed, compensation
2) educating people and raising their consciousness level, thus, raising their level of responsibility and serious attitude in the questions, alike. for all the lives possible of saving to be saved, to the max
3) taking into account the situation of conception, while, most importantly in this regard, I believe, addressing the possible psychological PTSD type issues involved, before making a final decision.
More may be added, surely, as well as the constant sociological checks within the context. Shall gladly hear everyone's thoughts, too. Thanks :)