The fact that she had a pit bull with her and was still attacked this brutally- in a public space-is extremely unnerving. Most opportunistic killers target victims that have as few obstacles as possible. I really hope this psycho is found and justice served to her and her loved ones.
I recently looked into it there have been absolutely no updates and honestly it seems like the police haven’t bothered to try and keep this case going they say they have but it has been almost what a year now and they still havent found a single suspect which i call BS, start looking for people who have some kind of medical training who knew her and her parent!! They KNEW she was in a same sex relationship and targeted her for that fact or knew to make it LOOK like a hate crime…and unless they knew her personally or had been following her for awhile how would her killer just KNOW she was gay??
@Jayson Raphael Murdock Ikr?? The way he was describing it, that seemed very possible!! Especially the explanation about the dog breed and them needed to know the attacker to get so close...that's really sad. For her and the other young woman slan around the same time.
You just as naive as the narrator, huh? They weren't some sweet innocent elder couple. They had done something to someone to initiate all of this. Also, why wait until the 3rd time your home is ransacked to call the cops? The only logical reason would be because they have something to hide. Thinking that some rando is going to invest this much effort and risk on some complete strangers on nothing more than a whim is preposterous
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 Sounds like you're the naive one; scammers, and violent crimes against the elderly is shockingly common. They're weaker, and much more vulnerable, and if you don't have morals, thats a perfect target.
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 damn, didn't know people were going around accusing others of warranting their own harassments and possible deaths, even if they did do something to someone at some point that wouldn't warrant this baseless discussion over what is ostensibly the crime someone else is committing . The fact that Dorothy would get up and allow a stranger into her home when she is alone and reovering from a surgery shows enough of their character to at least somewhat testify for them.
@@MontySlython that's not character, Tonto. That's a fundamental lack of common sense. But nice try. And you assume that nothing could have warranted this. I challenge that. What if they were personally responsible for Jeffrey Epstein getting the sweetheart deal he got the first time he was convicted of 60+ counts of diddling and the person doing the harassing were the parent of a child he was only able to diddle because he got away with it the first time?
Yeah that first murder sounds very personal.. but never go stroll walking in a park at midnight wearing headphones, man or woman, with or without a dog. And if you have to walk at night bring some kind of protection and stay in well lit areas..
It seems quite clear that the first murder was not personal. She was fighting off the guy and almost definitely had DNA from the perp on her person. If it were someone close to the victim then they would have caught them. I could be wrong, but to me, I’m not getting “personal” from it.
@@staceythomasharding agreed. I don't know about the DNA thing but I do think it could've just as easily been a stranger who saw Katie, didn't like her appearance and then targeted her because of that. They carved "f a t" into her skin and targeted her pride tattoo so I think it was a misogynistic homophobe who saw Katie and got deeply offended and enraged by her mere existence. That would also explain why it seems so personal. It obviously could be someone she knows as well but I think it was a wrong time wrong place situation. Regardless I really hope they catch them. Katie and Bowie deserve justice.
@@mrcountchoculitis3284 wtf is your problem?? This is an innocent human being who got brutally murdered, potentially because of their sexuality, and this is your response? More homophobia? Agreeing with a murderer? Are you a psychopath?
That fact that ALL 9 cameras were non functional in the park is extremely frustrating. I would have tried to sue the state, if there was any avenue to do so. Such blatant incompetence from the city.
Sue the state? That would be a huge waste of money. Your city is not legally obligated to have and maintain cameras in public spaces. The suit would be dismissed immediately.
Thanks for covering Katie and Bowie’s story. I live in Atlanta and I am one block away from Piedmont Park where her life was taken. It’s a horrible story but I am thankful to people like you who bring awareness ❤️
I believe that Nick's kids were somehow instructed by Nick himself to hire a private investigator after they ran off, so that it looks like they were murdered, and that's why the kids were not cooperative. It's all a cover to make it seem like they have died, so that their enemies go on with their business and not look for them any further
As for the first story, NEVER Wear noise-canceling earphones while walking. At all! Or even loud music. You can’t hear anyone around you, and can’t hear cars coming. It’s very dangerous.
You can wear them in the house and during commuting to wherever you are going, bus, plane, tram, metro. But not while walking. I wore them once walking, and felt uneasy. First time I wore such noiseless headphones I got the feeling I was dancing while walking and that everyone can hear the music... very weird feeling. Nevertheless, I use them only in public transport, at home I have a sound system ready to rock the whole neighborhood (but I use it reasonably too, so that my neighbors won't get irritated).
The first story seems unlikely that a random attacker jumped her. It sounds premeditated. You said she routinely took the dog out for a walk. It's possible she had a stalker, watching her over a period of time and waiting for their opportunity. The killer was some sicko with fantasies of murder and plotted a means to live out their urges.
Right? And if it was a serial killer thing we would know about more attacks, more victims. The attack screams rage and the only way to get that without a personal connection (imo) is through a serial killer mindset. Since it doesn't fit that, it HAS to be personal.
@@johnnymo4000 Partner was at work though, with multiple witnesses. Also would have been next to impossible for her to get to the park without being caught on a camera, even if all the cameras in the park were down.
@@AllieAllieOxenFree21 I haven't seen any information weather or not she was seen on camera or not. It's very possible she could have been dressed up. I also didn't see anything marking her supposed exact time of death only the last footage of her, and supposedly when the partner got off. You claim that it would be impossible to not get seen on cameras in the park even though they where all down....I'm not sure how to respond to that but I disagree. Still think it's highly possible it was her partner, but again I'm not an internet expert so we can ultimately agree to disagree.
There are a lot of people with medical training that are predatory. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals aren't above sick desires and impulses just because they are educated in the medical field.
I don’t know about a lot, I’d say most ppl in the medical field pick that profession to help others but there certainly are people like George Hill Hodel Jr. who was the physician who killed (and cut meticulously in half) Elizabeth Short aka The Black Dahlia
On Katie and Bowie, just some guild guesses to add: the killer could have been watching their late walkings for a few days, or even weeks. Might have followed her home, seen her with her fiancé, noticed Bowie was shy, noticed she had earphones on all the time, and on that night felt confident enough to attack. Or it could have been someone that was at the place Katie's fiancé worked, that followed Katie and Bowie when they left. Someone that, as Lazy said, already knew them and harbored awful feelings for the couple.
Re: the Wackers, I'm surprised that no one checked out telephone company employees and their relatives, who could have easily have tracked every change of number.
What they should have done after the first assault is arm themselves with more than kitchen knives, bought better locks, installed a security system (if possible), and begged the police to run a stakeout. Two men sitting in the front seat with binoculars are much more obvious than a cop sitting in the back of a van watching through a peephole camera or tinted windows. As a former PI, I’ve very rarely failed to spot a person approaching or leaving a house, and in the handful of times I did, the other team saw them. Whoever had it out for them obviously felt it was personal, but who or why is anybody’s guess. It could have been a neighbor who thought they backed into their car, or someone they didn’t pay, or it could have been just some nutjob trying to entertain himself. We’ll probably never know.
@@robertbeard6380 Yeah, it feels like they didn't do enough. Even if they did nothing like get better locks or arm themselves, why didn't the police do a stakeout? This is as much the Wacker's fault as it is their local police agency's for not insisting on doing such a thing.
"Your lights are a laugh" and "do you in" are both phrases I grew up hearing in the Western US however it was mainly used by people that were WW2 and Baby Boomer generation and not usually heard or used by people growing up after the late 1970's-1980's
I’ve grown up in stark county my whole life and I want to say “do you in” is definitely something I haven’t heard, but I have heard the occasional “____ is a laugh”. The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is if the man was British, wouldn’t Dorothy think to mention that to the police?? It would be incredibly noticeable.
First story is so scary and upsetting. Obviously it can happen to anyone but it's particularly dangerous to be a woman out walking alone. Not just at nighttime but nearly anywhere, at anytime. It's sad and I wish I could feel safe doing so. Also there were NINE security cams in the park and NONE of them were working?! That's egregious.
Yes, the camera part is crazy. And how long had they been down? Was it a known issue that the cameras didn't work? I think it's time to research this case cuz I have a few questions at this point
It's so frustrating. It seems women can't do anything without being attacked. A friend of mine was assaulted in a park in the middle of the damn day and people told her she shouldn't have done that. You can't go out at night, during the day and going home isn't an option bc you never know. It's a sick joke.
For case 1: I think the killer must have live nearby the park, I mean how else can you kill someone, with your clothes cover in blood and no one noticed you. Not to mention the killer must have known the camera in the park were not working and they have knowledge of which camera was actually working.
@@split-wb7bg Unlikely, they are monitored and powered at an off site location. So unless they cut a power line (they couldn't have) there isn't a chance they did that
It's very possible Katie knew the killer but no one else she knew did. If she had the habit of walking her dogs alone it's possible she could have befriended other dogwalkers casually.
The strangest thing for me is how the numerous amount of times Katie and I had walked her other dog late late at night and never went into the park. We even discussed several times how we would never go into the park after dark...maybe she was tricked by a face she knew ...and entered.
If there's one thing I learned during my years of law enforcement and being a private investigator, is everyone, even the nicest of people, have enemies.
@@glamdolly30 and most murders are still done by someone the victim knows. So, at the very least, at one point, they did have an enemy that would end them. Whether they knew it or not.
@@glamdolly30 I'd bet that many people know people that want and would murder them but the timing just isn't right. It takes one more push, one more bad day, or one more year or two of things building up without letting off steam before someone snaps. Doesn't always happen but I think a lot of people have that person somewhere in their lives. Sometimes it isn't even personal. Many people are on edge than people realize. You can stumble into their life one day and it's just all bad timing.
Where are our tax payers money going, if we can’t even depend on CCTV working that could have caught this horrible crime on tape along with the face of her and Bowie’s killer.. I would say it was definitely a hate crime because of the tattoo being demolished! So sad 😞
I interrupted a break in last night (it worked out fine, everyones ok) but my roommates all insisted I relax by watching something _other_ than true crime. But Lazy uploaded, what else am I suppose to do?
I’m from the Atlanta area and I remember how sad and scary the news of Katie and Bowie was. I was getting texts from people saying there was a serial killer on the loose due to the other murder Lazy mentioned. That was never proven and the cops said it wasn’t connected, but still…you never know. Be safe out there everyone.
For Story #1: Ever since I first heard this case I thought besides a "medical professional" the perp could have been someone else who was familiar with knives and carving e.g. someone like a hunter or a butcher. I lean towards hunter because the person was skilled with a knife and was comfortable being around an animal and being able to subdue it.
Yeah, there really aren’t many people with medical backgrounds stalking people in public and killing them. Not to say it’s impossible but it’s usually an “Angel of Death” type thing than a brutal bloody killing.
I think most sleuths who have studied the Whacker case have concluded that Bob hired the blonde guy, and he orchestrated most of the events. The events concluded completely after Bob died; so his wife had ten years of relative calm.
Could it be that Bob fathered the blond man but left the mother and wanted nothing to do with them? Instead staying with his wife. Would explain the hate.
Weird - The Masees look just like some guests I used to bartend for at a casino. Rose and Doug. Doug would spend most of the night hanging out by the bar, talking about English castles he's done business in and his yacht while Rose would come and go, chatting with randoms at the bar or otherwise going out to gamble. They look dead on to these two, mustache especially.
In the first case, Katie may not have known her attacker, but they certainly knew her, based on what was done to her. Maybe it was someone who asked her out and got rejected by her, or maybe it was just some weirdo who obsessed over her from afar, but in any case they hated her enough to destroy her face, and apparently also hated the fact she was gay. So it definitely wasn't some rando. They probably knew her habits and knew she visited that park to walk her dog, and also knew that the security cameras were out. I would have thought this would help the police narrow down suspects, but many of the stories you cover feature police incompetence and corruption, so this is likely another example of that.
I was thinking.. They said Katie always goes to say hi to Emma while she’s at work while along on walks. Could it be a customer/regular from the bar? That could explain quite a bit.
@@Daziesandconfuzed But off of Katie's fashion, it seems that lower back tattoo would have only been seen by those in her small circle...I wonder if she had any exes?
For the second one...it's the cat for me. I'm thinking foul play because yeah, they could have started over somewhere, and yeah, leaving the cat is better to convince people you were abducted or something happened to you, but then why call and prevent people from worrying about you for longer, thus leaving your cat without proper care for longer? By all accounts they were good people, so I don't understand why they would do that to their pet if they left willingly. And if they'd gone on an impromptu trip and something happened along the way (foul play or an accident), they would have contacted someone to take care of the cat.
Katie's murder was so clearly personal. Lots of hugs to Emma. Re: Nick and Lisa, it's very unusual for someone to offer a 10mil investment. I think it was a setup related to the trial and/or his business - it seems they were panicking. That Cayman Island trip is a clue. I hope they're living well in the Maldives or another remote place. As for the Wackers, how horrifying. As it was pre-internet, perhaps their stalker worked at the phone company or had some access to their phone records. It also seems he wanted revenge for something and maybe had the wrong people? Also clear he was watching the house. He did sound British. Never allow a stranger in your home, no matter what!
On the first case, hear me out my fellow sleuths. 1: I don't think it was the fiance. She was at work, with witnesses, and I'm sure they got a pretty accurate time of death to rule her fiance out by having loads of staff and customers as witnesses. Her alibi is pretty air tight. 2: I would never rule out a mentally unstable stranger, be it homeless or otherwise. But, I don't think that is the answer. None of her possessions were stolen, you would think that if the motivation was robbery,or even as an after thought, someone begging for food would have managed to steal something. Anyone who did this would be absolutely covered in blood after that many stab wounds on Katie and Bowie, carving words into her, and the mutilation of her body. Any mentally unstable homeless person with no car to hop in close by would probably be seen. It's possible, but not probable. 3: Due to the very personal nature of the attack, I think the culprit knew Katie, but she may not have known her attacker all that well (or at all). I'll go more deep into that in a second. Stabbing someone that many times is really hard work, not to mention they targeted her face, tattoo, and took the time (in the entrance of a park completely exposed) to carved a very personal message on her stomach. That screams personal, whether that is a perceived grudge that she knew nothing about or something that may have happened, but she blew off as not that serious. Whatever the case, it was personal for the murderer. 4: I'm going to float a few people who were left off the list of people who could definitely have done this and still flown under the radar. The first one I would love to hear if the police checked are coworkers of her fiance. I can't tell you how many times I've had coworkers develop unwanted feelings and the need to try and force some sort of relationship with me. Her coworkers would know that Katie comes in as her routine, they would know her fiance's schedule, they would no doubt have been introduced to both the dogs, and if they were a man feeling that the fiance should be with them because they felt Katie was too fat, too ugly, and of course because she was a woman... that would explain all the very personal attacks on specific body parts. On top of this, Katie would probably have already met them, so they could get right up on her, chat with her, squat down to "pet" Bowie before taking the pup out first since they would be the biggest threat. Also none of the murderer's blood was found at the scene or in the dog's mouth, so I don't think Bowie even had a chance to react and defend either of them. I do believe Katie tried to defend Bowie, began taking defensive wounds, turned to run, then was struck on the neck and taken down. It seems more logical to the evidence that has been presented. Then, they could run to their car and just drive away. 5: A stalker of either Katie or her fiance. The same scenario above can account for a stalker for her fiance, maybe Katie hadn't met them like with a coworker, but since she does the walk-the-doggo-in-the-park as a routine...a stalker could definitely be a local routine customer and have stopped Katie to ask to pet the dogs regularly. Most dog owners love showing off their fur babies, especially pittie owners, since they are such love bugs. It wouldn't have been hard to establish a friendly relationship with a pittie, and could explain again why they were able to get so close without Bowie attacking. If they were stalking Katie through her nightly routine, maybe they had asked her out, found out she was a lesbian, and that pushed them over the edge. If they were stalking her fiance, the same scenario as the coworker could have taken place. 6: Katie's stalker was one of *her* coworkers or customers as a bartender. You get closer to your coworkers and regulars after a bit. You share things about your life, and if you add coworkers to your social media... well they have a window into your life that you may not realize. Not to mention, I share stuff about my dog a lot easier than I do about anything else in my life. It wouldn't feel unsafe to talk about your pet and what they like, places you go with them, or fun routines. Just because the murder took place near her fiance's work, doesn't mean it had to have anything to do with her fiance. They just knew her routine really well. These are the things I think should be combed over by the police, dig deeper into anyone who may have been a coworker with a night off, or an overly friendly regular from both women's jobs.
This comments need more likes! I wish I could magically be a detective to work on this case- or any case in these videos. All of these story’s are so brutal..Trip how at this moment the very thing that happened to her could be happening to someone as I write this or as you read this. It’s a cruel place tbh. Anyways you’re really pretty btw!
@@dulapeeps3043 Thank you so much, unfortunately comments get buried pretty quickly! 😅 I wish I could work on it too, even if it is just brainstorming with all the evidence. I love me a good who-done-it, and I want to see the person who did this to get justice handed to them. ⚖️ Aww, thank you so much for the compliment! That's super sweet and I appreciate you. 🤩
I have a feeling that the coworker theory could be true since Katie could have let her guard to talk of something. I just have a strong feeling the murderer knew who she was and was familiar with her routines and her pets. It’s really sad that nobody witnessed this horrific crime :( may Katie and Bowie Rest In Peace
I'm going to suggest... someone was a regular to the park. You don't have to be homeless to be a regular at the park, spontaneously take an interest in someone... and turn stalker-ish to find out more about them, no matter how guarded they might be. As you say, particularly (for some reason) pittie owners are proud of their dogs and LOVE to share them with other people. Unfortunately, even that I rather hate the notoriety pit's had in the past for dog-fighting and inbreeding... Too many shows like "Pitbulls and Parolees" and "Too Cute" and anything with Cesar Romirez have informed people how undeserved the label is (provided the pitbull has a relatively clean bloodline)... SO they're not the abominable monster that they used to be... AND finally, ANYBODY can become homeless. It's a sad reality in our society. Just because someone has some medical training, or even a lot of medical training, it doesn't make them actually graduate med' school. Almost anything can disrupt their chosen academic direction, and land them in "dire straits"... and after "the chain of events" and getting overloaded... They're on the streets with nothing... BUT it doesn't require someone to be homeless to be regular at the park... AND since she was predictable, that might even be where Katie met him/her (probably him)... A relatively charismatic stranger at the park, good clothes, "clean cut"... funny... That's all it takes, really. Hell, I'm a biker with black leather 90% of the time I'm in public... scruffy wind-battered beard, a "resting bitch face" series of lines developing in my mid-40's... AND people come up all the time with jovial small talk... laugh at my remarks... even my darkest humor (and former Navy on a Gator Freighter who's seen action, so it's pretty dark)... I'm not saying it's just that easy... obviously. BUT from the tone of the story... the earphones... refusing to even carry pepper spray??? Yeah, those are the marks of a naive person. Katie would've been more than the average kind of "trusting" in strangers that didn't appear to pose a threat at the time. Then it wouldn't have been difficult to get close... track her down or back track her... ...AND from dubiously secret infatuation... to perhaps a deluded ideal of her sharing his feelings... then the bombshell that she's got a fiance... a GIRLFRIEND??? AND this otherwise unassuming type goes "Jekyll and Hyde"... It's not necessarily right.. BUT this is just how "random" it can get, especially in a city the size of Atlanta... AND it's a kind of a... well... kind of a screwy town down there. ;o)
@@chellebethel You covered the basics : So, Let's close the case with what actually happened It was a Teenager. Living few blocks from her place. They both didn't knew each other.. being the age difference. But, seen eachother. The Teen got obsessed with Killing by watching crazy old tapes of killers... and wanted to try out for himself. That night he went out looking for any victim ..found the woman and her Dog. Teen back-stepped a little but soon couldn't hold the urge to KiLL. Approached the Woman. Woman stopped and asked if its the same teen from few blocks... Teen pat the Dog and smiled while replying with a Yes. Teen stabbed the Dog near the neck... making the DOG incapacitated. Woman tried to push the Teen only to met with countless stab in quick succession. After the woman DiED, Teen looked at Dog who dragged itself few metres. He went in close and stabbed it many more Times. But, had to leave because he heard someone approaching. This was her lover. Teen went back to the house from the basement... cleaned itself and went to bed 🛏️
Omg that first one absolutely broke me, for both Katie and Bowie. Her fiancé Emma seeing the love of her life butchered and eviscerated. I can’t even think about what poor Bowie went through trying to protect his mom. I think she was targeted by some homophobic pos, there’s a lot of anger behind that many stab wounds. Fly high Katie & Bowie 🏳️🌈🐾
I see where you're coming from with the tattoo, but that is also a readily accessible area to repeatedly stab. Especially if you're struggling. You could be correct. The "I think" is the only thing you really know for sure.
The way she was mutilated repeatedly with almost medical precision and had letters carved into her back seems to me that who ever did this felt a lot of hatred and knew exactly what he (most likely) was doing. This combined with the fact that no money or possessions were stolen suggests a premeditated crime, most likely not the work of a random drunk/stoned homeless person. I personally think it was either someone who knew her and held some grudge against her or a hate crime (or both).
@@marianatheschizoid5912 I agree, adding all that to poor Bowie: Most criminals take the easiest route possible-they will not take a chance on someone with a dog, _especially_ a pitbull or other large/aggressive breeds. The perp had to have known Bowie (and obviously Katie by extension) in order to get close enough to kill the dog without getting mauled or alerting Katie via the dog making a ruckus. I think they knew them both, came up to Katie, went to pet Bowie, and then swiftly killed him before switching gears.
@@gobalbucs no the perp didn’t have to know the dog. Consider this: “hey there! What a handsome boy. I love pits. Can I say hi?” - sure :pets the dog: “Can I give him a treat?” Okay :gives treat: Then stabs the dog. Owner in shock, with any reaction, gets stabbed.
as someone from atlanta, the first story is extremely unnerving. i used to live in that area. the main entrances to piedmont park and the surrounding neighborhood are pretty well lit - and no matter the time of day or night, there are usually a handful of people mingling around. it’s also not far from the beltline which is almost never without late night runners or party goers walking home. it’s incredibly strange and terrifying that seemingly no one saw or heard anything that night. i hope there’s some movement in this case and the perp is caught, i want to know how this happened - something so brutal in a popular area without anyone seeing - and i want justice for katie and bowie. side note: this story brings up the memory from 2019 when my girlfriend and i were walking home from a bar off of ponce back to the virginia highlands area and noticed a barefoot dirty shirtless man swinging a hatchet around while walking down the street… so honestly, an opportunist passing through being the perpetrator wouldn’t be too surprising. though, i really hope not.
It’s just wild to think of the amount of time the attacker would have had to be present at the scene to attack and kill both the dog and Katie, stabbing her SO many times, without ANYONE seeing or hearing. It’s bizarre they chose such a public spot whether it was the middle of the night or not. You’d think there would be some witnesses. Not to mention NONE of the cameras working at the time. So infuriating. I’ve lived in ATL all my life as well and visited piedmont park numerous times. This case is unfathomable. I pray it gets solved.
That first story made me think of my mom. She also has a pit and walks him during the day and night. I do worry about them when they go out but try not to think about the worst case scenario. She always says to be aware of your surroundings and pay attention. Katie and Bowie's story is so unfortunate. 😔
The wackers lived in that same house for many many years. I wonder if it was in the way of some business trying to put a factory on their land or something and were using some scare tactics to try and make them leave.
This is a really interesting theory because they clearly could have killed or physically harmed them if they wanted, but they were only trying to scare…
Yes but they would know if someone wanted to buy their land.. so they'd be able to put 2 n 2 together. I wondered if it were one of her children, who was eventually going to kill them 4 inheritance... but even then why would they harrass them 4 years b4. Either way I feel very sorry 4 them. Even after just one year of it , I'd have moved to the other side of the country. Fuck that, 4 a decade!
That actually happened in my neighborhood. A neighbor wanted to buy the lot directly next to his mother’s, tear the house down, and put a garage. The old man that lived in the house was half nuts. This neighbor would throw tiny pebbles at windows in the middle of the night and stuff like that. The crazy old man developed a habit of walking the neighborhood at all hours “Looking for prowlers.” As a baby, my mother was feeding me in the middle of the night when she looked up and saw this nut on his “prowler” search. He was literally standing directly outside the window staring in. When my grandfather heard my mother scream he sprinted outside and almost killed the guy. In the end the neighbor did get that lot and his business is still there in 2022. That all happened in the early 1980s. One other incident with him, on one of his 3am searches he was caught cutting through the local police chief’s driveway. When confronted he gave his normal Prowler story, to which the officer replied “You’re the god damn prowler.”
Thank you for covering that Atlanta story. I live there and it is absolutely terrifying to know this happened. I feel like people outside the city commented that it’s unsafe to walk alone at night and unsafe to walk with earphones in…the truth is, where she was walking is a relatively safe and affluent area and even at night there is a lot of foot traffic due to nearby bars. I’ve definitely become more mindful after several incidents involving women this year in Atlanta. What happened to to Katie is absolutely tragic and terrifying. I wish her family, friends, and fiancé peace and healing.
The first story is extremely unnerving as it happened very near to where I go to school. I remember when the news about Katie got out, everyone was freaking out and kept posting about it on social media. Sadly, the buzz died down as soon as it first started with no new leads from the case. What made me more disturbed was when my friend and I were talking about it and she mentioned how we were at the same exact spot where Katie was last seen on video footage(the rainbow road) a few days ago... This murder was deeply devastating and my heart goes out to Katie's family, I hope authorities will come up with something eventually.
The last case reminds me of the Cindy James case … it also reminds me of this other case I saw on an old episode of forensic files where an elderly couple was getting sick over and over again with no explanation. The police thought it was the husband poisoning his wife and feigning illness but when he died and lethal levels of poison were in his system that theory went. Long story short it ended up being their neighborhood errand boy that just came over to lend a helping hand and be like a surrogate grandson out of the kindness of his heart. He got them to sign some financial documents and then he started picking up their groceries for them as a favor and that’s when he would slip in the poison. So sometimes these cases are just literally people in the background that you would never suspect or even think about and that’s how these type of perps want it. I think it’s important for family and friends to check up on each other and be more present to see who our loved ones are letting into their lives whether it’s a neighbor, handyman, church acquaintance or anyone outside of the normal circle of people cus you never ever know peoples intentions. 😳
The last couple made me think of a case whereby a homeless, not-all-there man constantly, constantly harrassed the owner of the home over a long period of time. Turns out he used to own the house and the back had foreclosed. Perhaps someone wanted them out of the house for whatever reason?
I think katie definitely knew her attacker. I think he or she was able to get close and kill bowie first because they were familiar with the dog. Then the level of brutality and the fact that the word fat was carved into her makes it see really personal.
The first one sounds like a planned hatecrime, considering the stab wounds onto her rainbow tattoo and if that was the case, they were most likely familiar with her sexuality and also the fact that Bowie was a timid pitball.
I once was left University still wearing my headphones while walking back to my car. It was late, and I was walking down the middle of a dark side street. I turned around and there was a man walking towards me also in the middle of the street. Pulled my headphones down at that point and kept walking. Every time I looked he was still heading my way. I walked casually but very cautiously until my car was next to me and I quickly unlocked the door, got inside and locked it. I saw him move to the sidewalk where he literally just stood acting occupied on his phone. The back door to my van properly shut and I quickly to hopped out to close it but the moment I opened the door he started walking towards me again. I almost lost a pair of pants lol. But luckily I made it back inside in time to lock my car again. To which again he tucked himself off to the side. Scary stuff!
Poor doggy. Don’t walk alone at night guys and especially not with earphones. It’s probable this was a hate crime as they targeted her tattoo but having any technology on you makes you a target. This was terrible. RIP Katie and Bowie
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 For killers that think the victim being identified to begin with could then be traced back to the killer... you know, like in hate crimes where it was personal.
@@soopersooper3291 It's anyone that has that knowledge *and* ,like I mentioned in my prior post, if they think the identity of the victim could be used to trace it back to the killer. Is it more common among organized crime? Probably.
@@zacharyshort384 yeah and having said that, as rare as this kind of hate crime is, the idea that this woman was mixed up with organized crime is even harder to believe.
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Lazy! I don't know how you do it but the way you present mysteries is better than all other channels focusing on things like this. Always a pleasure to see a new video from you.
I haven't watched your whole video, yet, but my own two cents on homeless medical workers: I am homeless, and I've been a certified veterinary assistant since I graduated high school. I took on several vet tech roles in the hospital I worked in, then continued my medical education into college- though, I was forced to drop out due to the 2008 economy crash. While in college, I met a man that spent his entire last two years in university, living out of his car, and didn't work up to a home for several years, while working in a hospital. I've been on the streets for about a decade, and have met MANY medical workers also out of work and home. I've met many individuals with college degrees, including Ph.D.s- anyone, from any background, and any level of education, or work security can become or even actively be homeless. My time at the local soup kitchens would suggest that most in there have jobs, but the jobs aren't enough to cover rent and utilities. I don't know what the average rate of pay, versus cost of living is in Atlanta, but here in western Washington, I could easily believe that a doctor- eating, showering, washing clothes every day, and generally keeping up on hygiene and wellbeing- could still be homeless. I knew an ER surgeon and an EMT in my early days on the streets- the ER surgeon showered at work, before his shift, and had his clothes run with the hospital linens. He just had a very messy divorce, and wasn't on the streets long. They were both fairly happy and content with their lives, too. If I don't edit this to comment on anything else, I still want to thank you for covering these topics, and being relatively mindful of these people as fellow thinking, feeling beings worth respecting.
@@xSwordLilyx I agree wholeheartedly (or, at least, I hope that to be our reality), I'm just responding to Lazy's suggestion that the skill set alone is worth discrediting the chance that the person could be homeless. Then again, one thing that hadn't crossed my mind while watching this is that butchers and hunters often have some level of precision with their cuts, too- and those don't take a dozen or so years of training.
@AandJay'sEndlessPlaylist's 1 I knew him about a decade ago, so I'm not sure what I could say about him that I haven't, already. I recall his house, kids, and a majority of joint finances went to his wife, and that he was building up from scratch from that. He was amicable about leaving the money for his kids, though, so maybe it was a child support lump sum?
@@OlyChickenGuy thank you for your reply. ooh my bad I read it wrong I thought you were talking about the EMT in your above comment going through the divorce
Being from the metro Atlanta area, the first one doesn't surprise me. It's definitely not safe to walk around Atlanta at night. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, and doesn't really know Atlanta. I was once threatened to be shot because of my skin color, just for driving through one area at night. People can be very hateful just in passing in general. Also, one doesn't need medical training to cut like that. Just needs to listen to a lot of crime or medical related content. I've learned a lot about terrible wounds just from listening to stories like these. Stay safe out there, frens.
I live in Atlanta and basically quit/got fired for not wanting to walk alone at 3am (time I got off) and this happened a week later. I only worked 5 mins away from that park.
It's always horrible when things happen like this to people, but why do the bad guys have to kill the dog, too? Not only did Katie have to worry about herself, but she also had to be scared sick worrying about Bowie, too. Just horrible. It sounds like some kind of hate crime because of the specific attack on her tattoo.
Killer sound like an opportunity type, took out her one protection, the gorgouse dog. I’m a dog owner, I hate hearing perps kills someone’s cat or dog, angers me.
I think Katie was stalked by someone who hated her lifestyle or her fiancé. Whoever killed her waited for the opportune time to strike and knew her habits.
@@adrianc6534 You do good to put Christian in quotes there. No Christian would do that. Yes we hate homosexuality, and all sin, and no we aren't gonna budge that the lifestyle is wrong, but we're not murderers. Hating someone personally for their sin makes no sense unless it's something especially emotionally triggering like a sex offender or murderer. Even then we're to pray for our enemies and preach the Word to the world, not condemn them and kill them. This was more likely someone of right wing politics, whether far right skin head stuff or a Republican who was also a literal psychopath. Could also be religiously motivated, but it in no way speaks to the will of the true Christian God. Who is real by the way. Believe in Him and be saved. Don't hold Him to blame for this action
how are ppl still blaming katie and NOT the guy who fucking murdered her? i mean yea don’t wear headphones at night in a city, but holy shit she didn’t need to die
We're not blaming her, but we are saying if she hadn't worn them, the circumstances could have been slightly different she could have screamed for help, but she was caught in surprise cause she didn't hear them
Maybe just maybe lazy masquerade had something to do with with story 3. He knew a lot about the situation and the UK/ London slang. Plus he wants us to stay spooky and in the dark. I'm onto you Lazy.
The Masee disappearance sounds eerily similar to Ray Gricar's in the fact that they both were involved with high profile trials right before their respective vanishings
If Katie's rainbow tattoo was stabbed repeatedly, this sounds like a hate crime to me. This broke my heart. And as a gay man, I'm really upset that I never heard about this until just now. 💔
@@fancyflautist That being said, it doesn't have to be someone who knew them well. If Katie and Emma practiced PDA then all it would have taken was someone seeing them hold hands or kiss and it would have triggered the attack eventually. I've dealt with idiots online who straight up said if they ever saw two guys kissing in public they'd punch them.
The Last Story is truly heartbreaking I feel so sorry for them to have had to put through that, and for him to get away with it is truly sickening and scary.
Not really. At the time there were multiple attacks in the park against random people. Also it's not really clear she's gay unless you're familiar with how some butch/lesbian types like her dress. He would've had to have been already attacking her to have seen the rainbow tattoo.
Someone else said it in these comments but it might even be that the killer was at the bar where Emma worked. That would explain how they knew Katie was queer, having seen her come in to visit her girlfriend. Because that rainbow tattoo seemed like it was fairly discreet, and the killer obviously targeted it.
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Story #1: I lived in Atlanta around the time this happened. I was so scared after my coworkers shared this incident with me soon after it went public. As someone who loved going to Piedmont Park (only during day time on weekends) and have attended activities near the 10th street entrance, I didn't go back since.
I'm 70 and American and I absolutely grew up using both "a laugh" ("that's a laugh!" as sarcasm) and "do someone in" (meaning to kill someone). If the stalker was in his 30s, as I was when the events happened, they would have been very common expressions for him to use.
I don't think those phrases are especially British sounding at all. If he was purposely using British phrases tho, imo it'd be more likely he did it purposely (either to throw people off or as some kind of clue) rather than it being an actual clue that he's from the UK
i live just south of atlanta and the first one is horrific. really shook me up, i cannot image the trauma emma went through finding her and her dog. the dog trying to save her breaks my heart.
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The first story was literally at the end of my road, it’s so surreal hearing about this looking back. I wish I had heard something it was literally less than half a mile from where I had to have been relaxing
1st story: They must have know the cameras were out. I feel like they have some DNA evidence unless unless it was premeditated or the person knew exactly what they were doing.
The cameras don't surprise me. One old saying about security cameras: having them is a deterrent, whether they work or not. Bystanders can't see what the cameras are recording... or even if the cameras are recording anything. If the park was complacent enough it might have been known to some people that the cameras were a bluff.
@@katwilliams2950 I don't think an opportunistic killer would take on a victim that was with a dog. It would be much easier to wait for the next victim. That's why I think it was premeditated.
Most people wouldn't attack someone with a dog. That alone says either this is a person who very much didn't gaf, or was very confident, potentially knew exactly what they were doing/who they were killing and how/when they were gonna do it. The rainbow focus obviously means this was motivated by her being gay, and they suspect medical knowledge so I'm guessing this was a smart calculated person who knew their victim or at least enough about her to know her orientation and habits and probably the area. The lack of DNA could definitely be a sign of someone smart like a surgeon. I'm thinking smart person who was also psychotic. Probably knew the cameras didn't work, or they were disguised and didn't care. Tbh if I were gonna kill somebody cameras wouldn't stop me. How many unsolved murders are on film in broad daylight? A lot. But attacking with the dog there.. Shows either determination or confidence. Maybe they knew the dog and knew it wasn't a protector. Or maybe they snuck up and took the dog out first. Either way this seems like someone who really wanted to show that gay person what's up.
It was regular at the bar who hated the lgbt community, knew the dog wouldn't be immediately hostile/was comfortable with people, knew her vulnerability wearing earbuds, and knew she knew their face so wouldn't be immediately scared. Never wear headphones at night, especially alone. There are lots of crazy people out there, but they're mostly harmless neurotics like in Seinfeld, the one's that are scary are the ones who conceal their craziness in order to harm others. Most neurotics, myself included, don't want to appear neurotic, but true predators use that desire to shield their internal inadequacies IN ORDER to inflict harm, rather than the usual human response: to belong.
Could have been her partner, she could have also staged it to make it appear as a hate crime towards lgbt for clout and also got rid of a "toxic" partner. It's about impossible to prove as it being an actual hate crime considering there are almost countless things that could have happen. Who knows
Don't even be looking at your phone. I've seen videos of people targeted for that, just outright killed for their phone. Of course they didn't even get a chance to realize what was about to happen since they were so distracted.
No headphones after 8pm I say, this is so so sad. Poor darlings 🧡 Also Katies killing sounds like a hate crime? Her rainbow tattoo being stabbed alot and just the shear brutality seems very hateful
reminds me of the doodler killer and since the doodler killer is assumed to have done the killings out of self loathing I assume this killing is also were also a self loathing killing
The first one feels like either someone who knew her, or a hate crime. Usually when someone is so severely injured it's a personal attack, and especially mauling their face
The first case is really sad, it is clearly a hate crime but this gory and still the perp is out roaming free makes me sick! Glad you brought the music at 12:37, miss it from your old videos. And what kind of a fool would bother an old couple for that long, unless it was a paid job?!
I love music, and it's hard for me to exercise without it, but I would never wear headphones at night while alone. Even with someone else, I still wouldn't do it late at night. No shame to the victim. It was just a horrible piece of shit that did that to her. I really feel like the attacker was known to her with how that went down though.
Katies case absolutely seems like a hate crime to me. The targeted stabbing of the pride tattoo, the brutal mutilation and carving of demeaning words.. it just reaks of bigoted hatred.
He mentions that Katie from story 1 had 1) both a female fiance and 2) she had a rainbow tattoo that was mutilated by her killer. Pretty sure it was just some horrible person who didn't like gay people and decided to murder her. I wonder if cops ever interviewed patrons at the bar her girlfriend worked at. Could have been someone who either liked the girlfriend or didn't like the gays and was offended either way.
Neo-Nazis are pretty prevalent in the South, dude's probably either an old doctor or field surgeon, I think he's Ex-Mil, no way a normal person can kill a pit bull like that.
@@caleshriver134 yeah no you're just incorrect. Just plainly and simply completely wrong. Hate crimes happen. I hate the name, since it sounds like some crazy buzzword which makes people dismiss it, but it seriously is real. People get killed specifically for being women, black, or queer too often. And people get crime-d for being those things all the time.
Once two garbage bags led to one of the FBI's most wanted getting caught, the organization that he was affiliated with getting took down, a couple of murders, and several attempted murders. It started in Georgia and hopefully ended in Colorado. Very few people know about it, and I'm not sure that the authorities know how everything connected together. In fact, there may only be one person in the entire world that does.
I cannot even start imagining being the fiancé and finding not only my dog stabbed to death, but also finding the person I love ripped into pieces, with her head about to fall off. Fucking sickening. I hate this world sometimes
5:10 I lived in Atlanta at the time this story happened. It’s common knowledge that you should not go to piedmont park at night, people are really bad about robbing and killing down there. I don’t remember but I do believe they found the scumbag who did this to her. A total sociopath
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Regarding Katie: I'm thinking a jealous ex-girlfriend of either Katie or Emma? The fact that the word 'fat' had been carved on her and her face was targeted by the knife makes me believe a woman did it. The tattoo was on her lower back, doesn't matter what it was of, I think it was viewed as a 'tramp stamp' to the killer and that's why it was targeted. I think the suspect is a woman that is known to one or both of them, that the dog had been around before and that would be thin, or at least, thinner than Katie was.
I’ve grown up in Stark county Ohio my entire life, and I want to say the phrase “do you in” isn’t really commonplace here, BUT I have heard phrases like “____ is a laugh”. I’ve grown up with much older parents, so it feels like it could be a generational thing rather than a geographical thing. The thing that stumps me is Dorothy had spoken with the man before, so you’d think she would mention if he had a British accent to the police. Everyone in Northeast Ohio has a pretty flat accent, so an accent like that would be pretty noticeable??
One detail about the Wackers story that always bugged me is Dorothy getting knocked out and waking up tied up. Unlike the movies most people when knocked out wake up within seconds, maybe 2 minutes at most. Anything longer than that is very rare! She’s old so it’s not impossible but it just seems like something someone would imagine up from something they’d seen in a movie.
@@pietropes1322 I’ve thought that the entire time. I used to do investigations for my State Office- obviously I don’t have the police reports, but boy does it all point to her. Sad.
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The fact that she had a pit bull with her and was still attacked this brutally- in a public space-is extremely unnerving. Most opportunistic killers target victims that have as few obstacles as possible. I really hope this psycho is found and justice served to her and her loved ones.
Or, the dog didn't see the culprit as a threat because he knew the person that attacked him and Katie.
@@datheamore6395 That or the dog just didnt attack, not all dogs will attack someone if they attack you regardless of breed.
@@amp4105 pitbulls will literally rip a baby's throat out without being provoked man. Defo a familiar face or maybe with treats or something
I recently looked into it there have been absolutely no updates and honestly it seems like the police haven’t bothered to try and keep this case going they say they have but it has been almost what a year now and they still havent found a single suspect which i call BS, start looking for people who have some kind of medical training who knew her and her parent!! They KNEW she was in a same sex relationship and targeted her for that fact or knew to make it LOOK like a hate crime…and unless they knew her personally or had been following her for awhile how would her killer just KNOW she was gay??
@@banjokuma6797 Not every pitbull has that level of drive. In a dog that did, a familiar face or treats wouldn't stop them at all.
How awful for Katie's fiancée to be the one to find her and Bowie. I hope she's doing ok, can't imagine you easily get over something like that.
Yeah that is just awful.
Maybe she did it
@@kylespratt4072 Unfortunately that is possible
@Jayson Raphael Murdock Ikr?? The way he was describing it, that seemed very possible!! Especially the explanation about the dog breed and them needed to know the attacker to get so close...that's really sad. For her and the other young woman slan around the same time.
@@kylespratt4072 she was at work remember?
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He's productive masquerade
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He has a cool voice that's perfect for this kind of content
That just show how messed up the world truly is...
Can we appreciate what a queen Dorothy is? Being able to make 2 full recoveries at that age, even after a major surgery! What an absolute trooper.
You just as naive as the narrator, huh?
They weren't some sweet innocent elder couple. They had done something to someone to initiate all of this.
Also, why wait until the 3rd time your home is ransacked to call the cops? The only logical reason would be because they have something to hide.
Thinking that some rando is going to invest this much effort and risk on some complete strangers on nothing more than a whim is preposterous
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 Sounds like you're the naive one; scammers, and violent crimes against the elderly is shockingly common. They're weaker, and much more vulnerable, and if you don't have morals, thats a perfect target.
cringe
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 damn, didn't know people were going around accusing others of warranting their own harassments and possible deaths, even if they did do something to someone at some point that wouldn't warrant this baseless discussion over what is ostensibly the crime someone else is committing . The fact that Dorothy would get up and allow a stranger into her home when she is alone and reovering from a surgery shows enough of their character to at least somewhat testify for them.
@@MontySlython that's not character, Tonto. That's a fundamental lack of common sense. But nice try.
And you assume that nothing could have warranted this. I challenge that. What if they were personally responsible for Jeffrey Epstein getting the sweetheart deal he got the first time he was convicted of 60+ counts of diddling and the person doing the harassing were the parent of a child he was only able to diddle because he got away with it the first time?
Yeah that first murder sounds very personal.. but never go stroll walking in a park at midnight wearing headphones, man or woman, with or without a dog. And if you have to walk at night bring some kind of protection and stay in well lit areas..
It seems quite clear that the first murder was not personal. She was fighting off the guy and almost definitely had DNA from the perp on her person. If it were someone close to the victim then they would have caught them. I could be wrong, but to me, I’m not getting “personal” from it.
@@staceythomasharding agreed. I don't know about the DNA thing but I do think it could've just as easily been a stranger who saw Katie, didn't like her appearance and then targeted her because of that. They carved "f a t" into her skin and targeted her pride tattoo so I think it was a misogynistic homophobe who saw Katie and got deeply offended and enraged by her mere existence. That would also explain why it seems so personal. It obviously could be someone she knows as well but I think it was a wrong time wrong place situation. Regardless I really hope they catch them. Katie and Bowie deserve justice.
@@mrcountchoculitis3284 wtf is your problem?? This is an innocent human being who got brutally murdered, potentially because of their sexuality, and this is your response? More homophobia? Agreeing with a murderer? Are you a psychopath?
@@frances9975 lol
@@mrcountchoculitis3284 do the people around you know you behave/think like this? Did anyone bother sticking around?
That fact that ALL 9 cameras were non functional in the park is extremely frustrating. I would have tried to sue the state, if there was any avenue to do so. Such blatant incompetence from the city.
It seems cameras are always not working, yeah? Talk about job security /s
How about...maybe 1.30 at night isn't a great time to go out walking????
Sue the state? That would be a huge waste of money. Your city is not legally obligated to have and maintain cameras in public spaces. The suit would be dismissed immediately.
atlanta has the most CCTV cameras in the US per capita and i bet maybe a quarter of them work
Drug dealers destroy them constantly
Thanks for covering Katie and Bowie’s story. I live in Atlanta and I am one block away from Piedmont Park where her life was taken. It’s a horrible story but I am thankful to people like you who bring awareness ❤️
People of ATL lack awareness I tell you. Piedmont park is the worst place to be at night.
I hope and pray you will always be safe ❤️
Please buy a weapon and get your concealed carry. And avoid places like this.
@@udednow - It’s almost impossible to get a concealed carry in many states. Dunno about Georgia though?
You should not give such info online about where exactly you live, not safe!
I believe that Nick's kids were somehow instructed by Nick himself to hire a private investigator after they ran off, so that it looks like they were murdered, and that's why the kids were not cooperative. It's all a cover to make it seem like they have died, so that their enemies go on with their business and not look for them any further
As for the first story, NEVER Wear noise-canceling earphones while walking. At all! Or even loud music. You can’t hear anyone around you, and can’t hear cars coming. It’s very dangerous.
Hahahaha lazy in the mud
And carry a defensive weapon, whether it be a gun, knife, taser, spray, or whatever else.
In my profession, we are taught that thieves target people wearing headphones. This is true.
I always just wear one so I can still hear, but if I was running on secluded area I think I would not wear them at all.
You can wear them in the house and during commuting to wherever you are going, bus, plane, tram, metro. But not while walking. I wore them once walking, and felt uneasy. First time I wore such noiseless headphones I got the feeling I was dancing while walking and that everyone can hear the music... very weird feeling. Nevertheless, I use them only in public transport, at home I have a sound system ready to rock the whole neighborhood (but I use it reasonably too, so that my neighbors won't get irritated).
The first story seems unlikely that a random attacker jumped her. It sounds premeditated. You said she routinely took the dog out for a walk. It's possible she had a stalker, watching her over a period of time and waiting for their opportunity. The killer was some sicko with fantasies of murder and plotted a means to live out their urges.
I think someone obsessed with her partner. Her face and features were attacked, they need to look there imo.
Seems highly possible to me it was her partner, though since I'm not an internet expert I'm not going to explain the things I researched.
Right? And if it was a serial killer thing we would know about more attacks, more victims. The attack screams rage and the only way to get that without a personal connection (imo) is through a serial killer mindset. Since it doesn't fit that, it HAS to be personal.
@@johnnymo4000 Partner was at work though, with multiple witnesses. Also would have been next to impossible for her to get to the park without being caught on a camera, even if all the cameras in the park were down.
@@AllieAllieOxenFree21 I haven't seen any information weather or not she was seen on camera or not. It's very possible she could have been dressed up. I also didn't see anything marking her supposed exact time of death only the last footage of her, and supposedly when the partner got off. You claim that it would be impossible to not get seen on cameras in the park even though they where all down....I'm not sure how to respond to that but I disagree.
Still think it's highly possible it was her partner, but again I'm not an internet expert so we can ultimately agree to disagree.
There are a lot of people with medical training that are predatory. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals aren't above sick desires and impulses just because they are educated in the medical field.
Exactly, very naive to believe otherwise. Like saying all cops are good people working to help citizens...
I don’t know about a lot, I’d say most ppl in the medical field pick that profession to help others but there certainly are people like George Hill Hodel Jr. who was the physician who killed (and cut meticulously in half) Elizabeth Short aka The Black Dahlia
@@larsonfamilyhouse I really need to listen to that episode of Morbid again
Harold Shipman for example
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On Katie and Bowie, just some guild guesses to add: the killer could have been watching their late walkings for a few days, or even weeks. Might have followed her home, seen her with her fiancé, noticed Bowie was shy, noticed she had earphones on all the time, and on that night felt confident enough to attack.
Or it could have been someone that was at the place Katie's fiancé worked, that followed Katie and Bowie when they left. Someone that, as Lazy said, already knew them and harbored awful feelings for the couple.
Re: the Wackers, I'm surprised that no one checked out telephone company employees and their relatives, who could have easily have tracked every change of number.
Or a dr office or pharmacy or school (were they emergency contacts for kids? etc)
What they should have done after the first assault is arm themselves with more than kitchen knives, bought better locks, installed a security system (if possible), and begged the police to run a stakeout. Two men sitting in the front seat with binoculars are much more obvious than a cop sitting in the back of a van watching through a peephole camera or tinted windows. As a former PI, I’ve very rarely failed to spot a person approaching or leaving a house, and in the handful of times I did, the other team saw them. Whoever had it out for them obviously felt it was personal, but who or why is anybody’s guess. It could have been a neighbor who thought they backed into their car, or someone they didn’t pay, or it could have been just some nutjob trying to entertain himself. We’ll probably never know.
@@robertbeard6380 Yeah, it feels like they didn't do enough. Even if they did nothing like get better locks or arm themselves, why didn't the police do a stakeout? This is as much the Wacker's fault as it is their local police agency's for not insisting on doing such a thing.
How do you know the police didn't check the phone records? They probably did.
"Your lights are a laugh" and "do you in" are both phrases I grew up hearing in the Western US however it was mainly used by people that were WW2 and Baby Boomer generation and not usually heard or used by people growing up after the late 1970's-1980's
I’ve grown up in stark county my whole life and I want to say “do you in” is definitely something I haven’t heard, but I have heard the occasional “____ is a laugh”. The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is if the man was British, wouldn’t Dorothy think to mention that to the police?? It would be incredibly noticeable.
You’ve heard the exact phrase “your lights are a laugh”?
What do they mean
I think the wife in the 3rd story did everything
I’m from the North of England and ‘do you in’ is quite a common phrase 👍🏻
First story is so scary and upsetting. Obviously it can happen to anyone but it's particularly dangerous to be a woman out walking alone. Not just at nighttime but nearly anywhere, at anytime. It's sad and I wish I could feel safe doing so. Also there were NINE security cams in the park and NONE of them were working?! That's egregious.
Yes, the camera part is crazy. And how long had they been down? Was it a known issue that the cameras didn't work? I think it's time to research this case cuz I have a few questions at this point
It's so frustrating. It seems women can't do anything without being attacked. A friend of mine was assaulted in a park in the middle of the damn day and people told her she shouldn't have done that. You can't go out at night, during the day and going home isn't an option bc you never know. It's a sick joke.
That's Atlanta for you.
She kinda had it coming, she should have listened to her partners warning.
@@luxuscarnage4828 Lol
For case 1: I think the killer must have live nearby the park, I mean how else can you kill someone, with your clothes cover in blood and no one noticed you. Not to mention the killer must have known the camera in the park were not working and they have knowledge of which camera was actually working.
Or maybe the person knocked out the cameras...
White Supremacists, Atlanta PD are covering for them.
Or they could have had a change of clothes or something to wear over what they had been wearing.
Two good points….
@@split-wb7bg Unlikely, they are monitored and powered at an off site location. So unless they cut a power line (they couldn't have) there isn't a chance they did that
It's very possible Katie knew the killer but no one else she knew did. If she had the habit of walking her dogs alone it's possible she could have befriended other dogwalkers casually.
The strangest thing for me is how the numerous amount of times Katie and I had walked her other dog late late at night and never went into the park. We even discussed several times how we would never go into the park after dark...maybe she was tricked by a face she knew ...and entered.
@@fillupmidtown did you know her?
Smart
@Emelie Deery very well...we were roommates.
If there's one thing I learned during my years of law enforcement and being a private investigator, is everyone, even the nicest of people, have enemies.
Especially the nicest people.
@@glamdolly30 and most murders are still done by someone the victim knows. So, at the very least, at one point, they did have an enemy that would end them. Whether they knew it or not.
@@glamdolly30 I'd bet that many people know people that want and would murder them but the timing just isn't right. It takes one more push, one more bad day, or one more year or two of things building up without letting off steam before someone snaps. Doesn't always happen but I think a lot of people have that person somewhere in their lives.
Sometimes it isn't even personal. Many people are on edge than people realize. You can stumble into their life one day and it's just all bad timing.
@@secularbelt Statistically, that’s true. I feel like she was the target of a complete stranger. Or maybe they knew Katie but she didn’t know them.
Where are our tax payers money going, if we can’t even depend on CCTV working that could have caught this horrible crime on tape along with the face of her and Bowie’s killer.. I would say it was definitely a hate crime because of the tattoo being demolished! So sad 😞
The tat could’ve been demolished for a different reason. This is why they’ll never call you for jury duty
@@wolfetteplays8894 it was def a hate crime💀 or at the least a hate fueled attack, I mean the perpetrator literally carved "FAT" onto her torso
I interrupted a break in last night (it worked out fine, everyones ok) but my roommates all insisted I relax by watching something _other_ than true crime. But Lazy uploaded, what else am I suppose to do?
Exactly
Yikes, I hope you all have security cameras around the building somewhere
Did no one tell you it's rude to interrupt, Sarah?
Good on ya!
thats scary!
I’m from the Atlanta area and I remember how sad and scary the news of Katie and Bowie was. I was getting texts from people saying there was a serial killer on the loose due to the other murder Lazy mentioned. That was never proven and the cops said it wasn’t connected, but still…you never know. Be safe out there everyone.
For Story #1: Ever since I first heard this case I thought besides a "medical professional" the perp could have been someone else who was familiar with knives and carving e.g. someone like a hunter or a butcher. I lean towards hunter because the person was skilled with a knife and was comfortable being around an animal and being able to subdue it.
Yeah, there really aren’t many people with medical backgrounds stalking people in public and killing them. Not to say it’s impossible but it’s usually an “Angel of Death” type thing than a brutal bloody killing.
@@marquisdelafayette1929 except for jack the ripper
I was thinking a butcher, too.
Honestly it’s 2022. It just means any asshole with google and a suspect search history
I think most sleuths who have studied the Whacker case have concluded that Bob hired the blonde guy, and he orchestrated most of the events.
The events concluded completely after Bob died; so his wife had ten years of relative calm.
Interesting. What is his suspected motive?
@@Sarah-eh7bw maybe he had another woman and was trying to drive her to suicide or kill her.
Could it be that Bob fathered the blond man but left the mother and wanted nothing to do with them? Instead staying with his wife. Would explain the hate.
@John James But, Bob didn’t die until 6 years later. So, Bob’s death would have no bearing on the time frame of the harassment.
That's what I was thinking. everyone is ruling out the husband but it could still be possible. Not sure though
Weird - The Masees look just like some guests I used to bartend for at a casino. Rose and Doug. Doug would spend most of the night hanging out by the bar, talking about English castles he's done business in and his yacht while Rose would come and go, chatting with randoms at the bar or otherwise going out to gamble. They look dead on to these two, mustache especially.
We found em, boys!!
Where was your casino?
Get that $50,000 reward then what are you waiting for
@@chinditone Western Washington State
@@JunkerBunker It's been yeaaars, no idea if they even go there anymore.
In the first case, Katie may not have known her attacker, but they certainly knew her, based on what was done to her. Maybe it was someone who asked her out and got rejected by her, or maybe it was just some weirdo who obsessed over her from afar, but in any case they hated her enough to destroy her face, and apparently also hated the fact she was gay. So it definitely wasn't some rando. They probably knew her habits and knew she visited that park to walk her dog, and also knew that the security cameras were out. I would have thought this would help the police narrow down suspects, but many of the stories you cover feature police incompetence and corruption, so this is likely another example of that.
I was thinking.. They said Katie always goes to say hi to Emma while she’s at work while along on walks. Could it be a customer/regular from the bar? That could explain quite a bit.
@@Daziesandconfuzed But off of Katie's fashion, it seems that lower back tattoo would have only been seen by those in her small circle...I wonder if she had any exes?
For the second one...it's the cat for me. I'm thinking foul play because yeah, they could have started over somewhere, and yeah, leaving the cat is better to convince people you were abducted or something happened to you, but then why call and prevent people from worrying about you for longer, thus leaving your cat without proper care for longer? By all accounts they were good people, so I don't understand why they would do that to their pet if they left willingly. And if they'd gone on an impromptu trip and something happened along the way (foul play or an accident), they would have contacted someone to take care of the cat.
Zip ties...
Katie's murder was so clearly personal. Lots of hugs to Emma. Re: Nick and Lisa, it's very unusual for someone to offer a 10mil investment. I think it was a setup related to the trial and/or his business - it seems they were panicking. That Cayman Island trip is a clue. I hope they're living well in the Maldives or another remote place. As for the Wackers, how horrifying. As it was pre-internet, perhaps their stalker worked at the phone company or had some access to their phone records. It also seems he wanted revenge for something and maybe had the wrong people? Also clear he was watching the house. He did sound British. Never allow a stranger in your home, no matter what!
On the first case, hear me out my fellow sleuths.
1: I don't think it was the fiance. She was at work, with witnesses, and I'm sure they got a pretty accurate time of death to rule her fiance out by having loads of staff and customers as witnesses. Her alibi is pretty air tight.
2: I would never rule out a mentally unstable stranger, be it homeless or otherwise. But, I don't think that is the answer. None of her possessions were stolen, you would think that if the motivation was robbery,or even as an after thought, someone begging for food would have managed to steal something. Anyone who did this would be absolutely covered in blood after that many stab wounds on Katie and Bowie, carving words into her, and the mutilation of her body. Any mentally unstable homeless person with no car to hop in close by would probably be seen. It's possible, but not probable.
3: Due to the very personal nature of the attack, I think the culprit knew Katie, but she may not have known her attacker all that well (or at all). I'll go more deep into that in a second. Stabbing someone that many times is really hard work, not to mention they targeted her face, tattoo, and took the time (in the entrance of a park completely exposed) to carved a very personal message on her stomach. That screams personal, whether that is a perceived grudge that she knew nothing about or something that may have happened, but she blew off as not that serious. Whatever the case, it was personal for the murderer.
4: I'm going to float a few people who were left off the list of people who could definitely have done this and still flown under the radar. The first one I would love to hear if the police checked are coworkers of her fiance. I can't tell you how many times I've had coworkers develop unwanted feelings and the need to try and force some sort of relationship with me. Her coworkers would know that Katie comes in as her routine, they would know her fiance's schedule, they would no doubt have been introduced to both the dogs, and if they were a man feeling that the fiance should be with them because they felt Katie was too fat, too ugly, and of course because she was a woman... that would explain all the very personal attacks on specific body parts. On top of this, Katie would probably have already met them, so they could get right up on her, chat with her, squat down to "pet" Bowie before taking the pup out first since they would be the biggest threat. Also none of the murderer's blood was found at the scene or in the dog's mouth, so I don't think Bowie even had a chance to react and defend either of them. I do believe Katie tried to defend Bowie, began taking defensive wounds, turned to run, then was struck on the neck and taken down. It seems more logical to the evidence that has been presented. Then, they could run to their car and just drive away.
5: A stalker of either Katie or her fiance. The same scenario above can account for a stalker for her fiance, maybe Katie hadn't met them like with a coworker, but since she does the walk-the-doggo-in-the-park as a routine...a stalker could definitely be a local routine customer and have stopped Katie to ask to pet the dogs regularly. Most dog owners love showing off their fur babies, especially pittie owners, since they are such love bugs. It wouldn't have been hard to establish a friendly relationship with a pittie, and could explain again why they were able to get so close without Bowie attacking. If they were stalking Katie through her nightly routine, maybe they had asked her out, found out she was a lesbian, and that pushed them over the edge. If they were stalking her fiance, the same scenario as the coworker could have taken place.
6: Katie's stalker was one of *her* coworkers or customers as a bartender. You get closer to your coworkers and regulars after a bit. You share things about your life, and if you add coworkers to your social media... well they have a window into your life that you may not realize. Not to mention, I share stuff about my dog a lot easier than I do about anything else in my life. It wouldn't feel unsafe to talk about your pet and what they like, places you go with them, or fun routines. Just because the murder took place near her fiance's work, doesn't mean it had to have anything to do with her fiance. They just knew her routine really well.
These are the things I think should be combed over by the police, dig deeper into anyone who may have been a coworker with a night off, or an overly friendly regular from both women's jobs.
This comments need more likes! I wish I could magically be a detective to work on this case- or any case in these videos. All of these story’s are so brutal..Trip how at this moment the very thing that happened to her could be happening to someone as I write this or as you read this. It’s a cruel place tbh. Anyways you’re really pretty btw!
@@dulapeeps3043 Thank you so much, unfortunately comments get buried pretty quickly! 😅 I wish I could work on it too, even if it is just brainstorming with all the evidence. I love me a good who-done-it, and I want to see the person who did this to get justice handed to them. ⚖️ Aww, thank you so much for the compliment! That's super sweet and I appreciate you. 🤩
I have a feeling that the coworker theory could be true since Katie could have let her guard to talk of something. I just have a strong feeling the murderer knew who she was and was familiar with her routines and her pets. It’s really sad that nobody witnessed this horrific crime :( may Katie and Bowie Rest In Peace
I'm going to suggest... someone was a regular to the park. You don't have to be homeless to be a regular at the park, spontaneously take an interest in someone... and turn stalker-ish to find out more about them, no matter how guarded they might be.
As you say, particularly (for some reason) pittie owners are proud of their dogs and LOVE to share them with other people. Unfortunately, even that I rather hate the notoriety pit's had in the past for dog-fighting and inbreeding... Too many shows like "Pitbulls and Parolees" and "Too Cute" and anything with Cesar Romirez have informed people how undeserved the label is (provided the pitbull has a relatively clean bloodline)... SO they're not the abominable monster that they used to be...
AND finally, ANYBODY can become homeless. It's a sad reality in our society. Just because someone has some medical training, or even a lot of medical training, it doesn't make them actually graduate med' school. Almost anything can disrupt their chosen academic direction, and land them in "dire straits"... and after "the chain of events" and getting overloaded... They're on the streets with nothing...
BUT it doesn't require someone to be homeless to be regular at the park... AND since she was predictable, that might even be where Katie met him/her (probably him)... A relatively charismatic stranger at the park, good clothes, "clean cut"... funny... That's all it takes, really. Hell, I'm a biker with black leather 90% of the time I'm in public... scruffy wind-battered beard, a "resting bitch face" series of lines developing in my mid-40's... AND people come up all the time with jovial small talk... laugh at my remarks... even my darkest humor (and former Navy on a Gator Freighter who's seen action, so it's pretty dark)...
I'm not saying it's just that easy... obviously. BUT from the tone of the story... the earphones... refusing to even carry pepper spray??? Yeah, those are the marks of a naive person. Katie would've been more than the average kind of "trusting" in strangers that didn't appear to pose a threat at the time. Then it wouldn't have been difficult to get close... track her down or back track her...
...AND from dubiously secret infatuation... to perhaps a deluded ideal of her sharing his feelings... then the bombshell that she's got a fiance... a GIRLFRIEND??? AND this otherwise unassuming type goes "Jekyll and Hyde"...
It's not necessarily right.. BUT this is just how "random" it can get, especially in a city the size of Atlanta... AND it's a kind of a... well... kind of a screwy town down there. ;o)
@@chellebethel You covered the basics : So, Let's close the case with what actually happened
It was a Teenager. Living few blocks from her place. They both didn't knew each other.. being the age difference. But, seen eachother.
The Teen got obsessed with Killing by watching crazy old tapes of killers... and wanted to try out for himself. That night he went out looking for any victim ..found the woman and her Dog.
Teen back-stepped a little but soon couldn't hold the urge to KiLL. Approached the Woman. Woman stopped and asked if its the same teen from few blocks... Teen pat the Dog and smiled while replying with a Yes.
Teen stabbed the Dog near the neck... making the DOG incapacitated. Woman tried to push the Teen only to met with countless stab in quick succession.
After the woman DiED, Teen looked at Dog who dragged itself few metres. He went in close and stabbed it many more Times. But, had to leave because he heard someone approaching. This was her lover. Teen went back to the house from the basement... cleaned itself and went to bed 🛏️
Omg that first one absolutely broke me, for both Katie and Bowie. Her fiancé Emma seeing the love of her life butchered and eviscerated. I can’t even think about what poor Bowie went through trying to protect his mom. I think she was targeted by some homophobic pos, there’s a lot of anger behind that many stab wounds. Fly high Katie & Bowie 🏳️🌈🐾
I see where you're coming from with the tattoo, but that is also a readily accessible area to repeatedly stab. Especially if you're struggling.
You could be correct. The "I think" is the only thing you really know for sure.
@@TaxMan1776 a lot of parts of the body can be easily targeted/stabbed
The way she was mutilated repeatedly with almost medical precision and had letters carved into her back seems to me that who ever did this felt a lot of hatred and knew exactly what he (most likely) was doing. This combined with the fact that no money or possessions were stolen suggests a premeditated crime, most likely not the work of a random drunk/stoned homeless person. I personally think it was either someone who knew her and held some grudge against her or a hate crime (or both).
@@marianatheschizoid5912 I agree, adding all that to poor Bowie: Most criminals take the easiest route possible-they will not take a chance on someone with a dog, _especially_ a pitbull or other large/aggressive breeds. The perp had to have known Bowie (and obviously Katie by extension) in order to get close enough to kill the dog without getting mauled or alerting Katie via the dog making a ruckus. I think they knew them both, came up to Katie, went to pet Bowie, and then swiftly killed him before switching gears.
@@gobalbucs no the perp didn’t have to know the dog. Consider this: “hey there! What a handsome boy. I love pits. Can I say hi?”
- sure
:pets the dog:
“Can I give him a treat?”
Okay
:gives treat:
Then stabs the dog. Owner in shock, with any reaction, gets stabbed.
as someone from atlanta, the first story is extremely unnerving. i used to live in that area. the main entrances to piedmont park and the surrounding neighborhood are pretty well lit - and no matter the time of day or night, there are usually a handful of people mingling around. it’s also not far from the beltline which is almost never without late night runners or party goers walking home. it’s incredibly strange and terrifying that seemingly no one saw or heard anything that night. i hope there’s some movement in this case and the perp is caught, i want to know how this happened - something so brutal in a popular area without anyone seeing - and i want justice for katie and bowie.
side note: this story brings up the memory from 2019 when my girlfriend and i were walking home from a bar off of ponce back to the virginia highlands area and noticed a barefoot dirty shirtless man swinging a hatchet around while walking down the street… so honestly, an opportunist passing through being the perpetrator wouldn’t be too surprising. though, i really hope not.
It’s just wild to think of the amount of time the attacker would have had to be present at the scene to attack and kill both the dog and Katie, stabbing her SO many times, without ANYONE seeing or hearing. It’s bizarre they chose such a public spot whether it was the middle of the night or not. You’d think there would be some witnesses. Not to mention NONE of the cameras working at the time. So infuriating. I’ve lived in ATL all my life as well and visited piedmont park numerous times. This case is unfathomable. I pray it gets solved.
That first story made me think of my mom. She also has a pit and walks him during the day and night. I do worry about them when they go out but try not to think about the worst case scenario. She always says to be aware of your surroundings and pay attention. Katie and Bowie's story is so unfortunate. 😔
Katie and Bowie’s story is sooo heartbreaking. I hope whoever did that to them gets caught and isn’t able to hurt anyone else like that ever again.
You didnt mention her sexuality or tattoo, bigot.
The wackers lived in that same house for many many years. I wonder if it was in the way of some business trying to put a factory on their land or something and were using some scare tactics to try and make them leave.
This is a really interesting theory because they clearly could have killed or physically harmed them if they wanted, but they were only trying to scare…
Hmm sounds plausible, specially with the "get the message" final note
for nine years? nah
Yes but they would know if someone wanted to buy their land.. so they'd be able to put 2 n 2 together. I wondered if it were one of her children, who was eventually going to kill them 4 inheritance... but even then why would they harrass them 4 years b4. Either way I feel very sorry 4 them. Even after just one year of it , I'd have moved to the other side of the country. Fuck that, 4 a decade!
That actually happened in my neighborhood. A neighbor wanted to buy the lot directly next to his mother’s, tear the house down, and put a garage. The old man that lived in the house was half nuts. This neighbor would throw tiny pebbles at windows in the middle of the night and stuff like that. The crazy old man developed a habit of walking the neighborhood at all hours “Looking for prowlers.” As a baby, my mother was feeding me in the middle of the night when she looked up and saw this nut on his “prowler” search. He was literally standing directly outside the window staring in. When my grandfather heard my mother scream he sprinted outside and almost killed the guy. In the end the neighbor did get that lot and his business is still there in 2022. That all happened in the early 1980s.
One other incident with him, on one of his 3am searches he was caught cutting through the local police chief’s driveway. When confronted he gave his normal Prowler story, to which the officer replied “You’re the god damn prowler.”
Thank you for covering that Atlanta story. I live there and it is absolutely terrifying to know this happened. I feel like people outside the city commented that it’s unsafe to walk alone at night and unsafe to walk with earphones in…the truth is, where she was walking is a relatively safe and affluent area and even at night there is a lot of foot traffic due to nearby bars. I’ve definitely become more mindful after several incidents involving women this year in Atlanta. What happened to to Katie is absolutely tragic and terrifying. I wish her family, friends, and fiancé peace and healing.
The first story is extremely unnerving as it happened very near to where I go to school. I remember when the news about Katie got out, everyone was freaking out and kept posting about it on social media. Sadly, the buzz died down as soon as it first started with no new leads from the case. What made me more disturbed was when my friend and I were talking about it and she mentioned how we were at the same exact spot where Katie was last seen on video footage(the rainbow road) a few days ago...
This murder was deeply devastating and my heart goes out to Katie's family, I hope authorities will come up with something eventually.
The last case reminds me of the Cindy James case … it also reminds me of this other case I saw on an old episode of forensic files where an elderly couple was getting sick over and over again with no explanation. The police thought it was the husband poisoning his wife and feigning illness but when he died and lethal levels of poison were in his system that theory went. Long story short it ended up being their neighborhood errand boy that just came over to lend a helping hand and be like a surrogate grandson out of the kindness of his heart. He got them to sign some financial documents and then he started picking up their groceries for them as a favor and that’s when he would slip in the poison. So sometimes these cases are just literally people in the background that you would never suspect or even think about and that’s how these type of perps want it. I think it’s important for family and friends to check up on each other and be more present to see who our loved ones are letting into their lives whether it’s a neighbor, handyman, church acquaintance or anyone outside of the normal circle of people cus you never ever know peoples intentions. 😳
The last couple made me think of a case whereby a homeless, not-all-there man constantly, constantly harrassed the owner of the home over a long period of time. Turns out he used to own the house and the back had foreclosed. Perhaps someone wanted them out of the house for whatever reason?
I think katie definitely knew her attacker. I think he or she was able to get close and kill bowie first because they were familiar with the dog. Then the level of brutality and the fact that the word fat was carved into her makes it see really personal.
Poor Bowie. RIP goodboi 🐕❤🙏
The first one sounds like a planned hatecrime, considering the stab wounds onto her rainbow tattoo and if that was the case, they were most likely familiar with her sexuality and also the fact that Bowie was a timid pitball.
definitely, possibly an ex lover who was male and she left him to get with a woman?
@@amp4105 could be a woman since lesbians have a lot of issues with themselves
@@amp4105 could be another women too. Exes are exes
Poor doggy
the first story (Katie and Bowie) is SO sad.
sick disgusting people in this world.
I once was left University still wearing my headphones while walking back to my car. It was late, and I was walking down the middle of a dark side street. I turned around and there was a man walking towards me also in the middle of the street. Pulled my headphones down at that point and kept walking. Every time I looked he was still heading my way. I walked casually but very cautiously until my car was next to me and I quickly unlocked the door, got inside and locked it. I saw him move to the sidewalk where he literally just stood acting occupied on his phone. The back door to my van properly shut and I quickly to hopped out to close it but the moment I opened the door he started walking towards me again. I almost lost a pair of pants lol. But luckily I made it back inside in time to lock my car again. To which again he tucked himself off to the side. Scary stuff!
Jesus that first story is horrifying.
Her partner having been the one to find her and her dog is so heartbreaking. She has to live with that forever.
Poor doggy. Don’t walk alone at night guys and especially not with earphones. It’s probable this was a hate crime as they targeted her tattoo but having any technology on you makes you a target. This was terrible. RIP Katie and Bowie
Not really, disfigurement of distinctive tattoos is quite a common way killers use to try to slow the identification process.
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 For killers that think the victim being identified to begin with could then be traced back to the killer... you know, like in hate crimes where it was personal.
@@zacharyshort384 isn't disfigurement of the corpse to prevent identification more of an organized crime thing?
@@soopersooper3291 It's anyone that has that knowledge *and* ,like I mentioned in my prior post, if they think the identity of the victim could be used to trace it back to the killer. Is it more common among organized crime? Probably.
@@zacharyshort384 yeah and having said that, as rare as this kind of hate crime is, the idea that this woman was mixed up with organized crime is even harder to believe.
All these missing people and unsolved murders, someone needs to be a voice for them so they're not forgotten
I’ve recently discovered your channel and content a couple days ago by accident. And I’m really great full for it. Because I’ve kinda burnt through all my normal channels and need new stuff to watch and your content is just perfect for me. I can tell you’re going to go down as one of my favourites over time.
Lazy! I don't know how you do it but the way you present mysteries is better than all other channels focusing on things like this. Always a pleasure to see a new video from you.
I haven't watched your whole video, yet, but my own two cents on homeless medical workers: I am homeless, and I've been a certified veterinary assistant since I graduated high school. I took on several vet tech roles in the hospital I worked in, then continued my medical education into college- though, I was forced to drop out due to the 2008 economy crash. While in college, I met a man that spent his entire last two years in university, living out of his car, and didn't work up to a home for several years, while working in a hospital. I've been on the streets for about a decade, and have met MANY medical workers also out of work and home. I've met many individuals with college degrees, including Ph.D.s- anyone, from any background, and any level of education, or work security can become or even actively be homeless. My time at the local soup kitchens would suggest that most in there have jobs, but the jobs aren't enough to cover rent and utilities.
I don't know what the average rate of pay, versus cost of living is in Atlanta, but here in western Washington, I could easily believe that a doctor- eating, showering, washing clothes every day, and generally keeping up on hygiene and wellbeing- could still be homeless. I knew an ER surgeon and an EMT in my early days on the streets- the ER surgeon showered at work, before his shift, and had his clothes run with the hospital linens. He just had a very messy divorce, and wasn't on the streets long. They were both fairly happy and content with their lives, too.
If I don't edit this to comment on anything else, I still want to thank you for covering these topics, and being relatively mindful of these people as fellow thinking, feeling beings worth respecting.
This is true but I think the ones who are homeless and working are not murdering. Probably an insane persone or drug addict with past training.
@@xSwordLilyx I agree wholeheartedly (or, at least, I hope that to be our reality), I'm just responding to Lazy's suggestion that the skill set alone is worth discrediting the chance that the person could be homeless. Then again, one thing that hadn't crossed my mind while watching this is that butchers and hunters often have some level of precision with their cuts, too- and those don't take a dozen or so years of training.
Curious about the ER surgeon if you don't mind sharing what's his story was it university debts?
@AandJay'sEndlessPlaylist's 1 I knew him about a decade ago, so I'm not sure what I could say about him that I haven't, already. I recall his house, kids, and a majority of joint finances went to his wife, and that he was building up from scratch from that. He was amicable about leaving the money for his kids, though, so maybe it was a child support lump sum?
@@OlyChickenGuy thank you for your reply. ooh my bad I read it wrong I thought you were talking about the EMT in your above comment going through the divorce
Being from the metro Atlanta area, the first one doesn't surprise me. It's definitely not safe to walk around Atlanta at night. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, and doesn't really know Atlanta. I was once threatened to be shot because of my skin color, just for driving through one area at night. People can be very hateful just in passing in general.
Also, one doesn't need medical training to cut like that. Just needs to listen to a lot of crime or medical related content. I've learned a lot about terrible wounds just from listening to stories like these.
Stay safe out there, frens.
I agree, the whole "they must've been a medical practitioner" because they know where to cut is such weak evidence and isn't affirmative of anything.
DesWulf, huge up and coming star in the oppression Olympics
@@khalil7011 Yes butchers and chefs can cut like that, or say someone who likes cooking or hunting.
@@wulfsorenson8859 13 50
@@dizasteroid7 nice dog whistle, dick. You seem like a lovely person. Totally rational too. I am sure those around you feel so lucky to know you.
I live in Atlanta and basically quit/got fired for not wanting to walk alone at 3am (time I got off) and this happened a week later. I only worked 5 mins away from that park.
It's always horrible when things happen like this to people, but why do the bad guys have to kill the dog, too? Not only did Katie have to worry about herself, but she also had to be scared sick worrying about Bowie, too. Just horrible. It sounds like some kind of hate crime because of the specific attack on her tattoo.
Killer sound like an opportunity type, took out her one protection, the gorgouse dog.
I’m a dog owner, I hate hearing perps kills someone’s cat or dog, angers me.
I think Katie was stalked by someone who hated her lifestyle or her fiancé. Whoever killed her waited for the opportune time to strike and knew her habits.
being LGBT+ isnt a "lifestyle", but yes, it seems likely she was targeted by a sick bigot given how they mutilated her pride tattoo
@@adrianc6534
just no
Do you have Down syndrome ?
@Adrian C
Typical christianphobe. Nah I say the killer was muslamic
@@adrianc6534 You do good to put Christian in quotes there. No Christian would do that. Yes we hate homosexuality, and all sin, and no we aren't gonna budge that the lifestyle is wrong, but we're not murderers. Hating someone personally for their sin makes no sense unless it's something especially emotionally triggering like a sex offender or murderer. Even then we're to pray for our enemies and preach the Word to the world, not condemn them and kill them. This was more likely someone of right wing politics, whether far right skin head stuff or a Republican who was also a literal psychopath. Could also be religiously motivated, but it in no way speaks to the will of the true Christian God. Who is real by the way. Believe in Him and be saved. Don't hold Him to blame for this action
how are ppl still blaming katie and NOT the guy who fucking murdered her? i mean yea don’t wear headphones at night in a city, but holy shit she didn’t need to die
Right she’s not asking to die.
We're not blaming her, but we are saying if she hadn't worn them, the circumstances could have been slightly different she could have screamed for help, but she was caught in surprise cause she didn't hear them
Maybe just maybe lazy masquerade had something to do with with story 3. He knew a lot about the situation and the UK/ London slang. Plus he wants us to stay spooky and in the dark. I'm onto you Lazy.
The Masee disappearance sounds eerily similar to Ray Gricar's in the fact that they both were involved with high profile trials right before their respective vanishings
If Katie's rainbow tattoo was stabbed repeatedly, this sounds like a hate crime to me. This broke my heart. And as a gay man, I'm really upset that I never heard about this until just now. 💔
Agreed. Soon as I heard about the stabs to the tattoo I didn't doubt it was personal, or a hate crime.
I know. It’s 2022 and they still target gay people, homophobes should burn
Absolutely agreed. That and the viciousness of the attack scream hate crime to me
@@fancyflautist That being said, it doesn't have to be someone who knew them well. If Katie and Emma practiced PDA then all it would have taken was someone seeing them hold hands or kiss and it would have triggered the attack eventually. I've dealt with idiots online who straight up said if they ever saw two guys kissing in public they'd punch them.
@@liltoaster_v276 r u serious? 💀
I’ve been watching Lazy since the beginning back in 2015 I think it was, and still one of my favorite channels 💕
Poor Bowie 😔
The Last Story is truly heartbreaking I feel so sorry for them to have had to put through that, and for him to get away with it is truly sickening and scary.
Katie was my roommate and im glad you are reporting on this horrible tragedy....The police are still clueless.
Katie's murka was very personal. Police need to look at friends acquaintances
Bowie was killed first
Stop the bullshit
Just buy a gun. Never would’ve happened if she was armed
@@wolfetteplays8894so your only takeaway from this tragedy is that she should’ve had a gun?
Can we get some more global folklore? I loved the Philippines stories.
The first story is clearly a hate crime and it makes me so sick, Katie deserves justice
Not really. At the time there were multiple attacks in the park against random people. Also it's not really clear she's gay unless you're familiar with how some butch/lesbian types like her dress. He would've had to have been already attacking her to have seen the rainbow tattoo.
I like love crimes
@@theSemiChristdon’t say that. It’s not right.
@purrlyna Do you just not understand my point? Do you think that someone is really espousing "love crimes"?
Someone else said it in these comments but it might even be that the killer was at the bar where Emma worked. That would explain how they knew Katie was queer, having seen her come in to visit her girlfriend. Because that rainbow tattoo seemed like it was fairly discreet, and the killer obviously targeted it.
I’ve been following you since the start, but had to take a break from utube for a year and a half. I’m so happy to see you’re channel doing so well, you deserve it and more. Thanks Lazy for many… many long hours spent listening to your excellent story telling! Much respect from Alberta, Canada
Bowie was such a good boy, he defended his person to the end.
Story #1: I lived in Atlanta around the time this happened. I was so scared after my coworkers shared this incident with me soon after it went public. As someone who loved going to Piedmont Park (only during day time on weekends) and have attended activities near the 10th street entrance, I didn't go back since.
Smart you💕
Smart you💕
Third story: It would definitely be unusual for someone from that part of the US to use such British-sounding phrases.
Absolutely. Never heard it even on television
Yeah, im from that region and we'd say "a joke"
Unless they’re from London, Ohio lol
I'm 70 and American and I absolutely grew up using both "a laugh" ("that's a laugh!" as sarcasm) and "do someone in" (meaning to kill someone). If the stalker was in his 30s, as I was when the events happened, they would have been very common expressions for him to use.
I don't think those phrases are especially British sounding at all. If he was purposely using British phrases tho, imo it'd be more likely he did it purposely (either to throw people off or as some kind of clue) rather than it being an actual clue that he's from the UK
i live just south of atlanta and the first one is horrific. really shook me up, i cannot image the trauma emma went through finding her and her dog. the dog trying to save her breaks my heart.
Every time I hear your voice it brings me back a few years to when I first started listening to horror stories.. it’s the reason I love them so much!! Never stop, for our sake!❤️😂
I read about Katie's and Bowie's story in the dailymail last year and just cried and cried at the photos of them together. Just so sad.
The first story was literally at the end of my road, it’s so surreal hearing about this looking back. I wish I had heard something it was literally less than half a mile from where I had to have been relaxing
1st story:
They must have know the cameras were out.
I feel like they have some DNA evidence unless unless it was premeditated or the person knew exactly what they were doing.
Right. This is bothering me. Naturally the dog would have tried to attack the murderer. There should have been some sort of evidence in the dogs mouth
The cameras don't surprise me. One old saying about security cameras: having them is a deterrent, whether they work or not. Bystanders can't see what the cameras are recording... or even if the cameras are recording anything. If the park was complacent enough it might have been known to some people that the cameras were a bluff.
@@katwilliams2950 I don't think an opportunistic killer would take on a victim that was with a dog. It would be much easier to wait for the next victim. That's why I think it was premeditated.
@@marhawkman303 interesting
Most people wouldn't attack someone with a dog. That alone says either this is a person who very much didn't gaf, or was very confident, potentially knew exactly what they were doing/who they were killing and how/when they were gonna do it. The rainbow focus obviously means this was motivated by her being gay, and they suspect medical knowledge so I'm guessing this was a smart calculated person who knew their victim or at least enough about her to know her orientation and habits and probably the area. The lack of DNA could definitely be a sign of someone smart like a surgeon. I'm thinking smart person who was also psychotic. Probably knew the cameras didn't work, or they were disguised and didn't care. Tbh if I were gonna kill somebody cameras wouldn't stop me. How many unsolved murders are on film in broad daylight? A lot. But attacking with the dog there.. Shows either determination or confidence. Maybe they knew the dog and knew it wasn't a protector. Or maybe they snuck up and took the dog out first. Either way this seems like someone who really wanted to show that gay person what's up.
It was regular at the bar who hated the lgbt community, knew the dog wouldn't be immediately hostile/was comfortable with people, knew her vulnerability wearing earbuds, and knew she knew their face so wouldn't be immediately scared. Never wear headphones at night, especially alone. There are lots of crazy people out there, but they're mostly harmless neurotics like in Seinfeld, the one's that are scary are the ones who conceal their craziness in order to harm others. Most neurotics, myself included, don't want to appear neurotic, but true predators use that desire to shield their internal inadequacies IN ORDER to inflict harm, rather than the usual human response: to belong.
Katie and Bowie’s case feels like a hate crime, especially as Katie’s rainbow tattoo was a main target.
Could have been her partner, she could have also staged it to make it appear as a hate crime towards lgbt for clout and also got rid of a "toxic" partner.
It's about impossible to prove as it being an actual hate crime considering there are almost countless things that could have happen. Who knows
@@johnnymo4000 Very unlikely that it was her girlfriend, she was at work that night with multiple witnesses
@@johnnymo4000 No way it could be her partner. If we are factoring partners in, maybe a jealous ex.
her girlfriend hired someone to kill her
@@johnnymo4000 that level of brutality is uncommon. There is murder, then there is rage killing.
Why did I continue listening when a dog is involved? I hate it when people kill dogs!
the tale of the Whackers is like one of those campfire urban legends that would be told to scare campers/holidaymakers
Katie and Bowies story is heartbreaking. I cannot fathom Emma having to find them as well, I hope she’s doing okay now
It's rare, but I've said "that's a laugh" and "did him in" and all that quite a few times, and I'm from the Midwest US
That first story is why I stopped going out after dark and wearing ear buds in both ears. When I do listen to music, I only wear 1
Guys and girls- don’t wear both headphones when walking at night it could save your life… sad but true
Don't even be looking at your phone. I've seen videos of people targeted for that, just outright killed for their phone. Of course they didn't even get a chance to realize what was about to happen since they were so distracted.
@@nejinaji if you look at your phone make sure youre calling someone
No headphones after 8pm I say, this is so so sad. Poor darlings 🧡
Also Katies killing sounds like a hate crime? Her rainbow tattoo being stabbed alot and just the shear brutality seems very hateful
Based on the number of dumb laws being passed up north, I’d say you have a chance
No headphones outside imho. They were probably stalked in the AM.
Perp was either estranged or followed her from the bar. Maybe they wanted her fiance.
reminds me of the doodler killer and since the doodler killer is assumed to have done the killings out of self loathing I assume this killing is also were also a self loathing killing
It wasn’t a hate crime, that’s a false flag. It’s an ex girlfriend who murdered her.
The first one feels like either someone who knew her, or a hate crime. Usually when someone is so severely injured it's a personal attack, and especially mauling their face
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Love your stories Lazy! Can't wait to see what you have in store for us
The entire first story i was screaming these words:
"DONT TAKE THE DOG"
"IS THE DOG OKAY?"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
i dont know how her fiancee is supposed to live with such trauma. i can barely imagine it. not just a tragedy but so many haunting details.
The first case is really sad, it is clearly a hate crime but this gory and still the perp is out roaming free makes me sick! Glad you brought the music at 12:37, miss it from your old videos. And what kind of a fool would bother an old couple for that long, unless it was a paid job?!
I love music, and it's hard for me to exercise without it, but I would never wear headphones at night while alone. Even with someone else, I still wouldn't do it late at night. No shame to the victim. It was just a horrible piece of shit that did that to her. I really feel like the attacker was known to her with how that went down though.
Katies case absolutely seems like a hate crime to me. The targeted stabbing of the pride tattoo, the brutal mutilation and carving of demeaning words.. it just reaks of bigoted hatred.
He mentions that Katie from story 1 had 1) both a female fiance and 2) she had a rainbow tattoo that was mutilated by her killer. Pretty sure it was just some horrible person who didn't like gay people and decided to murder her. I wonder if cops ever interviewed patrons at the bar her girlfriend worked at. Could have been someone who either liked the girlfriend or didn't like the gays and was offended either way.
No…. Only CNN makes up hate crimes like that. They RARELY actually happen.
@@caleshriver134 Oh shut the hell up and let victims of hate crimes rest in peace.
Neo-Nazis are pretty prevalent in the South, dude's probably either an old doctor or field surgeon, I think he's Ex-Mil, no way a normal person can kill a pit bull like that.
@@Dexter037S4 sure they could. Pet the dog, offer a treat, pet again, stab.
@@caleshriver134 yeah no you're just incorrect. Just plainly and simply completely wrong. Hate crimes happen. I hate the name, since it sounds like some crazy buzzword which makes people dismiss it, but it seriously is real. People get killed specifically for being women, black, or queer too often. And people get crime-d for being those things all the time.
Once two garbage bags led to one of the FBI's most wanted getting caught, the organization that he was affiliated with getting took down, a couple of murders, and several attempted murders. It started in Georgia and hopefully ended in Colorado. Very few people know about it, and I'm not sure that the authorities know how everything connected together. In fact, there may only be one person in the entire world that does.
I cannot even start imagining being the fiancé and finding not only my dog stabbed to death, but also finding the person I love ripped into pieces, with her head about to fall off. Fucking sickening. I hate this world sometimes
I'm in love with your rabbit hole videos
So excited to see what you have for us today
5:10 I lived in Atlanta at the time this story happened. It’s common knowledge that you should not go to piedmont park at night, people are really bad about robbing and killing down there. I don’t remember but I do believe they found the scumbag who did this to her. A total sociopath
Noise-Cancelling headphones, Atlanta, and midnight are 3 of the dumbest possible combinations. Just tragic.
You honestly never dissapoint with your videos Mr. Lazy..all your content is just superb..always interesting and insightful...just had to say I'm a fan (if you couldn't tell) lol
"Who was this guy?"
A douche.
"And why did he torment an elderly couple for 9 years?"
See above.
He’s Jaded and Empty or he’s a douche?
Regarding Katie: I'm thinking a jealous ex-girlfriend of either Katie or Emma? The fact that the word 'fat' had been carved on her and her face was targeted by the knife makes me believe a woman did it. The tattoo was on her lower back, doesn't matter what it was of, I think it was viewed as a 'tramp stamp' to the killer and that's why it was targeted. I think the suspect is a woman that is known to one or both of them, that the dog had been around before and that would be thin, or at least, thinner than Katie was.
I’ve grown up in Stark county Ohio my entire life, and I want to say the phrase “do you in” isn’t really commonplace here, BUT I have heard phrases like “____ is a laugh”. I’ve grown up with much older parents, so it feels like it could be a generational thing rather than a geographical thing. The thing that stumps me is Dorothy had spoken with the man before, so you’d think she would mention if he had a British accent to the police. Everyone in Northeast Ohio has a pretty flat accent, so an accent like that would be pretty noticeable??
The first story is definitely a hate crime.
One detail about the Wackers story that always bugged me is Dorothy getting knocked out and waking up tied up. Unlike the movies most people when knocked out wake up within seconds, maybe 2 minutes at most. Anything longer than that is very rare! She’s old so it’s not impossible but it just seems like something someone would imagine up from something they’d seen in a movie.
Exactly. I’ve always thought Dorothy was behind it all
@@kelligray1848 Yeh, saw another vid about this case and it all points to her actually doing it all herself.
@@pietropes1322 I’ve thought that the entire time. I used to do investigations for my State Office- obviously I don’t have the police reports, but boy does it all point to her. Sad.
@@pietropes1322 She was calling the house herself all that time? Doesn't seem too plausible
She was 80……….and just had surgery…….. ???
I wouldn’t put it past anybody but still man