I had this epiphany myself not long before you posted this video. But there's just one more step I was waiting for you to take that you didn't! (The "Weil" "Vial" "Vialism" connection I definitely did not catch - that was brilliant! And it supports my larger theory!). So, you keep saying Andre Weil is the real enemy. I think you're right! But here's the thing... I think Tyler is Andre Weil. I've been wanting to drop these notes somewhere online, and this video seems the best place since you've helped clarify things for me. So, here's where my thesis started, before watching your video: Clancy is Nico. The only time all nine Bishops appear on screen is in the Nico and the Niners video, which intercuts between them doing the neon gravestone ceremony and Tyler/Clancy in his apartment. However, these two scenes could be asynchronous. There's no correlation between them suggesting they take place simultaneously. Aside from that, every time the Bishops appear on screen at a time that directly correlates to Clancy (the end of the NatN video when they approach the kids while Clancy leaves the city; during the assassination scene at the beginning/end of The Outside video) there's never more that seven or eight at the most on screen. In the Navigating video, we see that Clancy has hallucinated Josh traveling with him ever since the Submarine (and maybe before then), as when he sees Torchbearer Josh standing before him, the Josh by his side disappears. This has happened before. In the Heavydirtysoul video, Clancy is in the back seat of the car with Nico/Blurryface in the front, driving. We know Nico is driving because Clancy says as much in the "I Am Clancy" video, saying he tricked Nico into taking him out of the city. In the HDS video, as the car starts to fall apart, at one point the camera pans from Clancy in the back to the front seat... which is empty. Nico has disappeared. Is this all a visual metaphor for what happens when his dark side (Blurryface) takes over? Next, the end of the Jumpsuit video shows the moments immediately following the car crash. Clancy goes to the trunk of the burning car, opens it, and pulls out... a Bandito jacket (which he is seen wearing throughout the video). Why would there be a Bandito jacket in Nico's trunk? And more importantly, why would Clancy know exactly where to find it? Also, if Josh was in the middle of the street, thus causing the car crash, where is he as we transition into Jumpsuit? In "I Am Clancy", he says he created a fiery diversion to escape from Nico... but where is Nico after the crash? It's easy to assume Josh was a hallucination in this video... but why would Clancy's hallucination of Josh cause *Nico* to crash the car? And why would Clancy take credit for it ("*I* created a fiery diversion.")? It kinda seems like Clancy was the one driving in the HDS video. Which, from the songs "Ride" and "Car Radio", we know he likes to do when he needs to get away from his bad thoughts. The rest of the Jumpsuit video shows him wandering Trench, hair having grown in so we can assume it's been a while. He's being watched by the Banditos - why has it taken them so long (all that hair growth) to say anything to him. In fact, why don't they directly intervene to stop Nico when he comes to reclaim him? He's presumably a helpless victim in their eyes, right? Or is he? Let's fast-forward to the Nico and the Niners video.When the Bandito's, led by Torchbearer Josh, enter the city, he and Clancy seem to recognize each other. In fact, they greet each other with an elaborate secret handshake. Where have we seen that handshake before? In the Stressed Out video, which depicts Tyler (Clancy?) as a kid, riding his bike to his friend Josh's house, where they do the same handshake. And what's the pre-chorus of that song say? "My name's Blurryface and I care what you think." What if that video depicts Nico's early years, before he became a Bishop and founded Vialism? And what if his line in Goner, "I have two faces, Blurry's the one I'm not" is about Clancy rejecting that dark persona? So... why would Josh lead the Banditos into the city to rescue this random stranger? Maybe Josh recognizes him as the same childhood friend he shared that handshake with. But then, why wouldn't they just attack Nico in the wilderness, instead opting to put themselves in more danger by entering the city? Well, maybe, when they saw him in the wilderness, they weren't sure if they could trust him. Maybe something had to convince them? Something like... maybe seeing your childhood best friend, who grew up to be the founder of a dark religion, having a mental break where he seems to be at war with himself internally? Maybe that might seem like a risk worth taking, indulging the side of him that wants to be an "adversary to the evil he has done" (as he says in Polarize). And maybe, to Clancy, Josh represents a purer side of himself that he hasn't felt since childhood (basically everything the song "Stressed Out" is about), and as he takes a ride outside the city to clear his mind, he hallucinates his childhood friend in the road, thus causing the car crash and beginning his dissociative episode. More supporting observations: - "I Am Clancy" describes the Saturday video simply saying, "Then Nico was betrayed." But Nico doesn't appear in that video. Only Clancy, "Josh", and a bunch of guards which might be bodies being "seized" by the other Bishops. But if that's so, why would Nico have accompanied him personally while the rest possessed bodies? - (Almost?) Every video from the Clancy era (including the Overcompensate video) depicts Tyler wearing a "stole" which is apparently something worn by ordained bishops. - Also, holyshit, I just found this wiki article while looking up the name of the garment from the last point: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Joseph_Clancy_(bishop) Final theory: I think this whole story is about Tyler/Clancy/Nico/(Weil???)'s inner struggle against his worst impulses. I think some heavy trauma in his youth (Car Radio + Next Semester) sent him down a dark spiral. I think he created (co-opted?) Vialism without fully understanding where it would lead, and once he realized what he'd done, he couldn't handle the consequences of his own actions (Choker), and this internal schism created the Clancy persona (and maybe Blurryface too?). At this point, I think he considers himself a hostage of the world he's created, and specifically of his fellow bishops, who see him crumbling, but need him as the figurehead of the religion. I think "Clancy" is the part of him that identifies with with his pre-trauma self, as embodied by his childhood best friend Josh. Which is why so much of the story appears to be Josh helping him break free, but Blurryface coming to take him back. (also literally embodied by the songs Backslide + Snap Back) I think the "Trench Trilogy" of videos shows this cycle, but things are different this time because Josh recognized his old friend having a breakdown in the wilderness, and he really DOES come to get him out this time. Clancy isn't imagining this. It's real. But that doesn't stop the darkness from taking over again, which is why he ends up "captured" again. In reality, I think he "choked" and returned to Dema, and promised his fellow Bishops this was the last time, he would not have another episode. I think he promised them, "Clancy is Dead." But one Bishop didn't believe him, and so during the gathering in the Saturday video, I think that Bishop tried to change him from a figurehead to a martyr by sinking the submarine with him in it. Thus, Clancy/Nico is betrayed. I think the back half of the Clancy album is all about Clancy sliding back into Nico again, only this time his friends are there to help him, and he finally comes to terms with the fact he IS Nico. I think the climactic moment of the Paladin Strait video (IF IT EVER RELEASES) will be Nico revealing himself to be Blurryface-era Tyler and speaking the final words of the album. .......all of which corresponds pretty nicely to your Andre Weil theory, I think! :D
This makes me think of disassociative identity disorder. Think of Moon Knight, how Marc will be doing something, but Steven wants to stop him, But then they both black out and wake up to everyone dead around him. Who did that? A third personality they haven't even met (Jake)
Yeah if you know anything about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) or Other-Specified Depressive Disorder (OSDD) then you really picked up the signs of this in the Navigating music video. If the Navigating music video really speaks to Tyler's state of mind, this might explain why he doesn't want to perform the song live and that the song would've been removed from the album. It's revealing about what's actually going on in Tyler's head (maybe - all speculation still; could still be part of this story TOP is telling). And as we saw in the livestream, Josh is there to support Tyler even against Tyler's best wishes, echoing Josh's role in the Trench world. I think Tyler is both Tyler, Clancy, and Nico. I think Paladin Strait will be an attempt for Tyler, at least fictionally because we have no clue if this is actually real, to integrate both alters of Clancy and Nico and come to grips with the trauma that might have split his mind into two so long ago. After learning about DID from the show Mr. Robot and the TH-cam channel DissociaDID, having multiple alters/personas doesn't have to be a bad thing. Some systems choose to integrate, some have no choice as integration happens automatically, and some choose to stay fragmented. It's no unheard of for "persecutor" type alters to integrate with their hosts, and to be honest with the amount of damage Blurryface/Nico does to Tyler when they "front", integration might be the only path forward. Also, regarding the Bandito jacket in Blurryface's car, many people with DID share that it's not uncommon for alters to front against the host's will to avoid engaging with certain activities. I think it was explained to me that a system might be driving to a therapist appointment, and halfway through the drive an alter might front to drive the system back home and miss the appointment. This is just an example of what can happen when alters/personas/identities aren't in harmony. This example also points to how it could have been Nico's car in HDS, and Clancy could have also put the Bandito jacket in the trunk. Tyler might know the jacket is there because Clancy is fronting and had memories of putting it there. Oftentimes alters have amnesia barriers and don't share all of the same memories, so Nico might not have known about the jacket but Clancy did.
"I created this world to feel some control, destroy it if I want" - it makes sense if Tyler=Clancy=Nico=Andre. Andre is the creator of Vialism and Dema, his alter ego Clancy now wants to destroy it "I'll morph to someone else. Defense mechanism mode" - he morphs to all this diferent personas as a defense mechanism because of his trauma. "Polarize is taking your disguises Separating 'em, splitting 'em up from wrong and right It's deciding where to die and deciding where to fight Deny, deny, denial" He has many disguises, he wants to split them from wrong (Nico and Andre) and right (Clancy), deciding where to die (give in to Dema) and deciding where to fight (with the Banditos against Dema), but ultimately he is always in denial of what is really going on. "Domingo en fuego I think I lost my halo I don't know where you are You'll have to come and find me, find me" When he is in a "domingo en fuego"="sunday in fire" (remember "sundays are my suicide days"), he losts his halo, becoming Nico or Andre, then he needs Josh, the Torchbearer, to guide him back to the right path.
In the last part of the video we can watch that there are like 6 doors, 3 red (clancy x2, blurryface), 1 yellow(don t know if its a door but is yellow and we can say now he is in trench, because he is standing there), 1 blue (SAI)and the last one green (self-titled). I dont know, i think im getting crazy😵🥴
I've always felt like this was the case myself, my theory is that Tyler was a bishop, perhaps the original bishop, and he changed over time and came to understand Vialism isn't the way, and so he keeps trying to escape, but his past self, Nico, keeps haunting him. And that's why at the end of Paladin Strait he is searching for Nico and confronts him, the sound of the door opening isn't a real door, he's unlocking that box in his head where he locked Nico away, he must confront his dark past to overcome it and be stronger to face the rest of his demons. He must embrace and overcome his monster, to find his true self. Just my theory anyway
i kinda agree with this, i think chlorine is showing how tyler/nico got the ned antlers before nico went to trench and became a bishop (also if this is true then i think josh in the chlorine music video is andre)
You are such a genius! Tyler is Blurryface- he will be facing himself, the mirror moment and that part of himself has to die in order to live. You could also say it’s the shadow confrontation- he has to integrate it as Jung would suggest in psychology. Overall, It’s definitely a Christian ideal because you need to understand how and the appropriate times to do that, which is difficult to do without faith that someone is leading you in the right way. And in Isle of Flightless Birds it talks about the angels and demons molding our emotions. Thats who these Bishops are. The Fallen angels and their deceased kin (demons) speaking to us and telling us spiritual lies that we believe about ourselves and we name them Blurryface because the best trick of the enemy is to convince us he doesn’t exist. We have to die to the part of ourselves that believes these lies. Your soul knows good and evil, your soul knows both sides, and we need to pick our battle side. There is a LOT of evidence from ancient culture studies that backs up the truth of angels and demons. I could point you to scholars that discuss these supernatural evidences in scripture that the institutional ‘church,’ and its leaders have masked and led believers astray on. Morph is an incredibly deep song. It discusses the idea that numbers and math are all we are as a form when we die- 1s and 0s that can be copied. This is very different from an alive original spirit, and came from Bourbaki’s systematic mathematics which tried to prove the empty set is the foundation you need to create from. The Aristotelian enlightenment only depends on scientific (empirical) knowledge yet (stemming from math), it contradicts itself at its end because there is an end to the evidence and the love question still remains. It just circles ‘around’ the issue. But it’s a hard lie to get around because the other requires ‘blind belief’ or faith. Ironically, if you look into the mathematician Kurt Gödel, he PROVED in his incompleteness theorem that there will always be something bigger than we can conceive of. We were designed to have faith. ❤️
Trapdoor- He wakes up early today Throws on a mask that will alter his face Nobody knows his real name But now he just uses one he saw on a grave Does this mean anything? Maybe idk, but this whole taking his name from a neon gravestone makes me think of this lyric.
I love this video because it finally gives a good reason as to why blurry face was Tyler in blurryface and was his own person (Nico) in trench. It finally gives clarity as to why he is portrayed so differently in those albums
I always thought that Tyler is/was a bishop who came to the realization of the bad things he did, then tried to run away from Dema and this world, in DENIAL of the things he did and made other citizens do. 'I have killed a man and all I know is I am on the run and go,' 'Reminding me of who I killed inside my dream,' 'Nothing kills a man faster than his own head.' These are lyrics that make me think about Tyler, not literally killing someone, but making them committed to vialism since he knows that sometimes, to stay alive, you gotta kill your mind. But also, the mind is the fastest way to not make it through. And your theory makes perfect sense to me. I'm not a good theorist, and I can't explain or elaborate more than that, but I hope you get it.
My theory for the number 25 is that it means the Trench and Scaled and Icy albums. In Snap Back he says "Running from a thing, that I kicked in '17" as in, "leaving" DEMA at the end of Blurryface, but then he says "Fool you once, it's been twenty-five times", as in all the songs from Trench and Scaled and Icy. So my interpretation of this is that he has been fooling everyone since 2017.
The Pantaloon Fall Away Johnny Boy Forest Addict with a Pen March to the Sea Kitchen Sink I think these seven songs are heavily connected to the lore as well since these were included in tour de Columbus ending that era that he "kicked in '17" they all have something to do with the creation of Trench i.e. the darkest part of Tyler's mind.
There’s something else in the song Clear that stands out to me, but starting off, the name Clancy to my understanding means “son of the RED warrior”, and in No Chances we hear who I believe to be maybe Nico or the bishops say “ride or die MY SON”, right? So, in clear Tyler states that he’s the “son of all he’s done” making his metaphorical father “all he’s done”, so perhaps Nico is metaphorically Clancy’s father and also everything “he’s done”
The song "Two" is a very interesting song that most likely is related to the story, since the number 2 keeps popping up in the videos. If you think about it, obviously Tyler has "TWO" faces, Clancy and Blurryface. The song "Two" also has two different emotions. For example, the song is calming, but it can also make you feel anxious. Blurryface is anxiety and Tyler/Clancy is himself. Goner also has relations to this as well. In the song, Tyler says, "I have 2 faces, Blurry's the one I'm not." The 9th circle on the Blurryface album art represents Goner. The 9th bishop is Listo. Listo's name also comes from the lyrics in Ride, "LIST Of people." That "list of people" must mean Clancy and Blurryface. Then again, considering east is up it might not be Listo, it could be Nills. Nills comes from the lyrics in "GONER" "and beaten dowN, ILL Slip away"
Yeah I was going to comment this but also Two really connects with this theory because the lyrics are "I'm two Be gone, you see me I'm two Be gone, you see me I'm two Be gone, you see me I'm two Be gone, you see me." Also "Two" was made during the regional at best era, proving that Nico is not real and just Clancy alter ego.
Thanks for these comments y'all. I'm a huge fan, but I don't know all this lore. Some of it. I got the book with the CD and the one he's talking about. The "E" book❤️💃 l-/ I love it. This is fun to try and figure out and find clues
I find it curious that Nico's voice at the end of Paladin Strait is clearly just pitched down Tyler's/Clancy's voice. And it sounds almost somber, not menacing or mocking. I bet we'll see Tyler's face behind the veil in the music video.
I think that voice is Josh’s voice. In the live stream, after Navigating, Tyler said Josh has 3 parts like a triangle (or words to that effect). Josh wasn’t physically with Tyler when he was leading him, but he could project himself. Josh as a Bandito is the real Josh. I think the voice we always say is Nico or Blurryface is going to be Josh. Josh is the Torchbearer, he is the guide, he is the one with the plan, and I think he is going to be the one Tyler/Clancy sees at the top of the tower. I think Josh is going to help Clancy, maybe an ongoing helper, with Clancy’s mental health. Mental health is an ongoing battle, so I don’t think the ending will be a definite ending with all the answers to the lore. Clancy can’t do it alone, but he can with the help of Josh. Just like mental health for everyone, sometimes we all need the help of our friends, or family, or a mental health professional.
I definitely think there is some truth to this theory. It makes me wonder if I figured out the end of the Paladin Straight music video. What if at the end, Clancy opens the door and sees his reflection. However, it won’t be of himself as Clancy, but rather Nico. Nico and Clancy are one and the same. They’re both Tyler. This ties in with your reference to Clear from RAB. The whole song is referring to how Tyler likes to refer to Christian themes and ideas in his songs without being explicitly religious. And when he unveiled the DEMA storyline for the first time with Trench, he actually said that this was an attempt to make a fictional world where he wasn’t a Christian. This would all tie together with a major tenant of the Christian faith: We can’t get rid of evil on our own; we need a savior. In other words, think of the answer to the question, “Why can’t an omnipotent God just rid the whole world of all evil?” The answer is that because we are all sinners, doing so by God’s standards would rid the world of everyone. By this ending, Tyler would essentially be saying that he can’t defeat the evil of DEMA on his own, because he is a part of it. Clancy and Nico are two sides of the same coin. So, if the double album theory is correct, I might expect a Christ-like figure to enter the storyline and defeat all of the evil of DEMA once and for all, while at the same time, saving Clancy from his alter-ego of Nico.
Bro, I've been thinking Tyler's faith has been halted by his fame because he doesn't want to be controversial. I'm totally missing the hints in his songs. Your theory is so cool and i hope its true. I was really perplexed about why Tyler thinks he can get rid of this evil on his own. None of us can rid ourselves of evil, we need a savior to do it. Thank you so much for opening my eyes to this side of the story.
@@beaubilator7234 In Goner he does say: "I need your help to take him out." Often, the "You" in his songs refers to God. Especially in Vessel, but even in songs like HDS...
One other point about the song Clear. He references being a general. Which may tie into the source of the original Bourbaki name. Although they had different first names. The original Bourbaki was General Bourbaki, whom as I am sure you are aware, was a very successful French general. Until the battle where directly because of his decisions, he lost no less than 63,000 mens' lives. He tried to commit su*cide using a modern day, at the time, firearm, which was a blunderbuss with a large metal ball and powder. Even though he did not misfire, and even though he had it aimed directly at his head, he still was not able to take himself out. Instead, he dented his thick-ass skull. In one day, he went from succeeding at every task he tried his hand at to failing at every task he tried his hand at. For some reason, the group thought it would be hilarious to name themselves after this man. Because everything about his story just screams math, math, math. In the original video where I learned this info, many in the comments were drawing correlations between the general and the man in All My Sons who made airplane parts in the second world war. He also made a huge mistake and as a result, 21 men lost their lives, and as we know, the man goes on to take his own life, but successfully. This is what I know. I don't have any conclusions yet to draw from this data. I'm gonna go listen to Clear right now to see if there is anything else that is relevant.
He literally mentions Nico by name in Morph. He told him he's a copy. "Hell always try to stop me, That Nicolas Bourbaki, Those who know him most know he goes by Nico."
That could just be unreliable narration. After all, Tyler's Clancy is the only character who actually talks about Nico. And we had letter from a Clancy who's bishop was Keons, describing Keons as a figure they looked up to and felt safe with. But Nico is, apparently, only seen when Tyler sees him. Unlike Torch-Bearer, we never see him on his own, doing anything Tyler is not aware of.
I think the whole lore story will end like this. There will be a final battle but no one wins. It’s all gonna come back to the end of heavydirtysoul with Tyler in the car after it blowing up and everything. It’s an ongoing cycle.
You are such a genius! Tyler is Blurryface- he will be facing himself, the mirror moment and that part of himself has to die in order to live. You could also say it’s the shadow confrontation- he has to integrate it as Jung would suggest in psychology. Overall, It’s definitely a Christian ideal because you need to understand how and the appropriate times to do that, which is difficult to do without faith that someone is leading you in the right way. And in Isle of Flightless Birds it talks about the angels and demons molding our emotions. Thats who these Bishops are. The Fallen angels and their deceased kin (demons) speaking to us and telling us spiritual lies that we believe about ourselves and we name them Blurryface because the best trick of the enemy is to convince us he doesn’t exist. We have to die to the part of ourselves that believes these lies. Your soul knows good and evil, your soul knows both sides, and we need to pick our battle side. There is a LOT of evidence from ancient culture studies that backs up the truth of angels and demons. I could point you to scholars that discuss these supernatural evidences in scripture that the institutional ‘church,’ and its leaders have masked and led believers astray on. Morph is an incredibly deep song. It discusses the idea that numbers and math are all we are as a form when we die- 1s and 0s that can be copied. This is very different from an alive original spirit, and came from Bourbaki’s systematic mathematics which tried to prove the empty set is the foundation you need to create from. The Aristotelian enlightenment only depends on scientific (empirical) knowledge yet (stemming from math), it contradicts itself at its end because there is an end to the evidence and the love question still remains. It just circles ‘around’ the issue. But it’s a hard lie to get around because the other requires ‘blind belief’ or faith. Ironically, if you look into the mathematician Kurt Gödel, he PROVED in his incompleteness theorem that there will always be something bigger than we can conceive of. We were designed to have faith. ❤️
Hey, super interesting video! Just wanted to point out one detail that may add or take away from the whole thing. We know that Tyler does in fact exist as himself in the world of DEMA because in the Scaled and Icy livestream he is specifically referred to as "Tyler Joseph" by the hosts of Good Day DEMA. This makes me think that Clancy is very much just a codename used to protect his identity. Or perhaps Clancy is what he calls one half of himself like you mentioned in your theory. Either way, great video!
I wonder if their song “Two” has anything to do with the lore. It sounds somewhat ominous, was released technically after RAB and mentions being two and be gone. Maybe it isn’t related, but it was something I’ve noticed.
I think that's definetly what they'll show in the Paladin Strait music video, in the end it won't be two Tylers (one Clancy the other NIco) it will be more like a "Split" or "Moonknight" scene, where the one Tyler who is Clancy until the end, shakes his head and assumes his split personality, Nico without realising, likely in front of all the Banditos. The "I got two faces" lyric to me was always pretty telling that "they" are just the one person, Tyler, also because why would have Clancy "Come up with Josh Dun" (Overcompensate) otherwise
Great video! Always looks forward to hearing your theories. Me and my kids have a few. 1. Tyler is and always has been a Bishop. 2. Blurryface is the name of the entity Tyler becomes when he is being seized by Nico. 3. The city of Dema is a power grid, the Neon Gravestones are the batteries. 4. Torchbearer can shapeshift into a dragon.
Ok ok. This might be a stretch because Routines In The Nights isn’t “lore” but around 1:45 in the music video there are only 8 bishop cloak/robes pictured! Great video btw!!
I definitely think Routines in the Night is part of the lore. It's not part of the "Clancy Trilogy" (if you will), but I can't see how it's not lore-related. The 8 clocks clue in that video is a very good point. Thank you!
I am completely on board with this theory, and it even fills in some of the holes of what I've been pushing around in my head. One thing I want to add to lend credence to your theory - especially on the evolution of Blurryface to Trench where Tyler splits his two faces into Clancy and Nico respectively. One specific lyric keeps coming up from Tyler - "I created this world to feel some control. Destroy it if I want." It was in Bandito and then repeated at the beginning of Overcompensate. But it was also the first thing Tyler said at the beginning of his Clancy livestream; as if to bring even more attention to it. This was always a weird lyric to me, because it pops up during lore-heavy songs (bandito, overcompensate) - but it always felt more like a message from Tyler. But it would make way more sense if that message from Tyler was part of the lore. Like the Tyler from the Blurryface album saying he's making this distinction between his two faces, but he needs an arena for them to duke it out. That all said - I think there are a few permutations of your theory: 1. Exactly as you said - Nico isn't real and Clancy is just Tyler identifying himself with the non-blurry face. 2. None of Trench -> Clancy is real and it is more of a simulacrum of Tyler's experiences brought into story-form. 3. Nico is real, but he and Clancy can't be in the same place at the same time since they're the same person. Fun afterthought - I wonder if the something soft and soaked in pain that the leader of the bad guys sang was "Sahlo Folina" - I'd sure call him crazy.
In Snap Back Tyler says “I commandeered a hot ride, drove it till the engine died” referencing the Heavydirtysoul music video, which also supports the fact that blurryface doesnt actually exist and it was just him.
This makes so much sense just replace Nico with himself. For example, the banditos saved Tyler from himself. Like friends saving u from Yourself aka suicide maybe. Or he’s trying to escape from himself saying it like that just makes sense
Brother as someone who has been in the theories business from the beginning, followed the band/lore since the time of RaB/Vessel. Has been into this from the start. You cooked here. I've been saying for the longest time that nico/Clancy are just the opposite sides of the battle in Tyler's mind and this nails that home. Great theory, I love this.
Also for the record, submitted this theory to the discord verified theories group (you have to pass a hard-ass test to get in there) for review/discussion. A lot of the people in there see this as plausible/real. And this is a group of all the og ogs. Great work with this
Clancy has long had an established connection to the bishops, first the picture from the journals that’s title was self.png and it was andre weil and a child. Plus Clancy having the ability to seize bodies just as the bishops do. My theory is that maybe the whole time the bishops were testing Clancy to prepare him to be the nineth bishop or maybe even he already was but after finding the original clancy letters (some of the clancy letters are written from a perspective that see Tyler Clancy doing things) he took on that name to distance himself from the persona that the bishops were trying to force on him. Now that he’s own his own with the ability to seize bodies he will either fill that slot as a bishop or take down that side of himself. apologies if this makes no sense my thoughts are very scrambled.
FPE as Failed Perimeter Escape is an extremely dark identity and badge. It also represents both sides potentially with vialism. It could be the shame of failing to follow through when someone fails or it could be the shame of slipping back and even thinking of it which could also be construed as a failure (both types of failure being self imposed thoughts/feelings).
@@perligo Also, in a similar vein, Oldies station could be sad at some parts. "Little less concerned/when there's nothing in the tank" could be a reference to the lethargy that comes with deep depression and how it's easier than recovery because the lethargy often prevents people from following through on bad ideas, while recovery can give the energy to do those things so the thoughts are less frightening when you know you couldn't do it. Sorry for seeming like such a downer, it's a favorite and I still think it's extremely hopeful. Like most of their songs, it's double sided and that adds to it's beauty.
Ahhh!! Josh just did an interview (th-cam.com/video/XmWzd8H54eA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hYy81L1MYcLbm7or) where he said this era of this specific side of the story or POV (Clancy’s side of the story) will be ending. So does that mean we will be getting the other side?? ALSO! He said that the storyline/story first started when him and Tyler first met! So the Clear and Two predictions could be right! Also why else would they put the red tape over Vessel if it wasn’t meant to be apart of the “lore”?
Another one about there only beign 8 bishops present, in the video for Routines in the Night, Tyler is sitting in front of an open closet with only 8 robes inside.
I feel like it's possible about the double album but it's more likely that maybe we get a few more songs I think more likely we just get 25 songs or maybe something to do with the number 25 they may already have the extra track or extra tracks done by now maybe they're waiting to release it on the 25th of June
i love this theory, but also would like to advise you with looking up for some information about simone weil, andre's sister, who died on a hunger strike, therefore inspiring a real thing called weilism
Will do! I have been thinking about a video solely dedicated to a study of Vialism and the Bourbaki group. There seems to be a lot of fascinating ideas and philosophy behind those. Thanks for pointing me in that direction!
I've officially lost track of the characters in the world of Trench, and how the world translates into this massive analogy about mental health. I should probably let theory experts figure shit out, as we get more content, before I make my mind about stuff going on 😅
Was gonna say this as well. I was talking with some people recently, and I do think that Clear is relevant to it. Tyler has two faces, one which yells on the street corner (Clancy, writing letters, seizing to hold a lecture/sermon for the Banditos, etc.) and another which cleverly masks his words (Tyler writing SAI. That's why the name is an anagram for Clancy is dead, and also why so many of the songs seem to have double meanings. Listen to them from the perspective of a Bishop, and then from the perspective of a Bandito and you'll see what I mean. Just as an example, No Chances. The Bishops would hear “We get bodies every day, we want you home in one piece now” as “People are committed to Vialism, we don’t want you to leave and get hurt outside of these walls so you can’t achieve a Glorious Gone” while Banditos/residents will hear it as “We’re losing each other to Vialism every day, we want to get you out of Dema and back to where you belong without any harm being done by the Bishops.") Then I came up with the idea that it's sort of an "Unholy Trinity" if you will. Tyler is not Clancy is not Nico, but Tyler is Blurryface, Clancy is Blurryface, and Nico is Blurryface, whether each individually or only all together I'm unsure of, but it seems possible to me
OH MY GOD VENOM STYLE NICO/CLANCY TEAMUP???? absolutely here for it. i actually cobbled together a medley of clear, stressed out, and morph back in 2019, so glad to see those similarities followed up on
I just haven't had time to read both books. Work. I really appreciate this. It helps me A LOT. I remember someone talking about the lights, yellow dashes in road, the sparks, being part of all this. They do turn blue towards the end. Pretty sure. Could be in other parts of video too
I have a genuine question, I just got back into like the whole lore thing recently and I’m trying to catch up. Isn’t there a letter from Clancy that talks about him watching what happens to Tyler in the Jumpsuit music video? And how different Nico is from Keons? So were we actually seeing Nico in that scene or was it someone else?
Yes, there is a letter like that. However, a later letter from Clancy appears to claim that was an out-of-body experience. The "I Am Clancy" video also seems to confirm that. (Definitely watch that video if you are trying to catch up again). Fair question though!
@@perligo okay, yeah I have seen the “I am Clancy” video but it’s been a while and I have terrible memory, I’d just been wondering for a while now if Clancy was an actual person who wrote the first several letters and then Tyler took on his name and picked off where Clancy left off (either after Clancy died or disappeared) or if it was Tyler writing them all along. I don’t think it would’ve been that big of a question if it wasn’t for Clancy talking about Keons being his assigned Bishop while Tyler’s was Nico. But I haven’t actually read the letters for myself, I’ve only watched people talk about them so I probably need to read them for myself before I start asking too many questions. Thank you for answering though!
yeap that's, imo, the only thing that contradicts this otherwise brilliant theory: if Clancy is actually a part of Tyler as well as Nico is, then how and why a "real" Keons might be his (Clancy's) bishop
Yeah since Navigating where they revealed Josh's odd existence within the music videos to be a genuine plot point we should have been keeping track of (found how he "teleported" about in The Outside weird but didn't think too hard lol), the way Nico disappears and is at points not even in the driver's seat in in the Heavydirtysoul MV probably indicates something. I also remember someone reacting to the I Am Clancy video shouting "but HOW??" when Tyler* mentions tricking Blurry into taking him outside the city walls....and this is implied to have been done knowingly.......uhm............cause like yeah legit wait what wait what HOW THE HECK DID YOU DO THAT AGAIN??????
6:11 sorry, but you forgot the "East Is Up" thing. Keons would be top left, which the circle TØP red-taped (and he is the already dead bishop). Anyway, very GREAT video, you mentioned a lot of things I didn't noticed!
You are cool. This is such a good theory and it feels right. It more deeply roots the lore into somethibg very real and personal to Tyler, which is exactly what we would expect. His creativity combined with his executive functioning ability and foresight to tie everything together so intricately is absolutely genius and also totally mind boggling. I really feel this could be a masterpiece feature film one day. It would be so cool if signed off on that. A movie derived from a musical story would be so cool. And Josh should Direct it. And they should only do that after a few more albums first haha.
I think it would help everyone in this conversation if we all learned more about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) and Other-Specified Depressive Disorder (OSDD). Once you make the connection that either Blurryface, Clancy, or Tyler can front, then the lyrics make much more sense. I'm speaking fictionally of course. We have no evidence that Tyler actually has DID/OSDD irl, and it would be extremely insensitive to claim things about someone else's mental state without full knowledge up front.
I love this theory. One thing I don't get though is that one of the clancy letters describes the Jumpsuit music video in 3rd person. Then when you get to the SAI Era it's all first person. Why was clancy a different person from Tyler in Trench but the same person in SAI?
Tyler is a bishopm he created that world and maybe is the leader without knowing? - "I used to be the champion of a world you cant see, now I am drowning in logistics."
Am I the only one that sees the guy in the borbacci group in the middle of the picture as like a long lost relative of Tyler? Like they even have a similar smile
in the minute 1:45 you can see 8 robes hanging in his closet but the 9th robe is worn by someone behind josh while he's drumming and in the music video of the outside you can see 8 neds in the campfire and one 9th ned with bigger antlers on the shore waiting for tyler to come and btw if so didn't keons die in the outside music video cuz he tired to help him or he tired to killed him cuz keons represents the fear of death, and also in the end you see that only 8th neon light remains 9th is left out and also i feel like trash the dragon has more meaning that we didn't discover yet so many question left i hope there is a second album that give us the anwsers
I believe it is Andre speaking at the end of Paladin Strait. I think he is really the one behind that "pitched-down voice". However, I am not sure who Tyler will actually come face to face with, based on this theory. It could be Blurryface (or someone he thinks is Blurryface) or it could be Andre himself. What do you think?
@@perligo That’s interesting. I think it could be either. But, if Paladin Strait is truly the end and we don’t get another song or anything, I think is more likely to be Blurryface because that would mean that the story ends when Tyler “accepts” that Blurryface will always be a part of him, because the battle against insecurities and dark thoughts never really end, you only confront them. But also it could be the the beginning of the story or the cycle, with Paladin Strait connecting directly with Fairly Local.
I think the nico and Blurryface character count is a huge stretch. You can add many words together to get 25 but it is I guess interesting. I personally don’t buy it but still a great theory of everything else
Do ppl not remember the end of the live stream The official music video for paladin strait is coming out June 25th Maybe 25 means more but like a lore related video coming out on the 25th is what they've told us
What specifically at the end of the live stream are you referring to? They did mention the video would be early June, so I would be surprised if it ends up being June 25th - but maybe.
@@perligo yeah at the end of the filler video for paladin strait it says a video will be released in June for the same and before they played it tyler said it would be very lore related and follows navigating's video
I think your video proves what I've had in mind for a while (I may have missed it but I haven't seen anyone talk about it) And maybe it's just in my imagination but from the moment I saw it I couldn't not see it. I noticed that in front of Blurryface's face on the cover of Clancy's there is a silhouette of a man standing facing Blurryface (looks a bit like Tyler to me)
Wow. I have never seen just such a superb synthesis all of the albums into one solid story. With a fascinating new finding (or three) no less. You are my new “true north” for TøP lore @Perligo. Wait. What? True 👆🏻east! Following.
@@perligo ur really good at this, keep them coming!!! U will surely get a lot of views as soon as the algorithm catches u, ur videos are really well made and u seem very experienced
Nico’s name is hidden in a strange way in stressed out: “my names blurry face aNd I Care what yOu think” if you look closely it spells out his name, I’m not sure how lore important that is but still a cool detail!!
Andre Weil sister was Simone Weil. Look into her works. An influencer asked Tyler about her and he was like what did you say? And then something about that being too much to get into right there.
Thanks for this suggestion. I am hoping to do a deep dive into those figures and their philosophy soon. It all seems really interesting - and similar to what I normally do with this channel, when I'm not talking about TOP (haha).
I agree with this theory a lot, but when you mention that there is only eight bishops, didn’t one of them get killed when mentioned in the I am Clancy video?
I had this epiphany myself not long before you posted this video. But there's just one more step I was waiting for you to take that you didn't! (The "Weil" "Vial" "Vialism" connection I definitely did not catch - that was brilliant! And it supports my larger theory!).
So, you keep saying Andre Weil is the real enemy. I think you're right! But here's the thing... I think Tyler is Andre Weil.
I've been wanting to drop these notes somewhere online, and this video seems the best place since you've helped clarify things for me. So, here's where my thesis started, before watching your video:
Clancy is Nico.
The only time all nine Bishops appear on screen is in the Nico and the Niners video, which intercuts between them doing the neon gravestone ceremony and Tyler/Clancy in his apartment. However, these two scenes could be asynchronous. There's no correlation between them suggesting they take place simultaneously.
Aside from that, every time the Bishops appear on screen at a time that directly correlates to Clancy (the end of the NatN video when they approach the kids while Clancy leaves the city; during the assassination scene at the beginning/end of The Outside video) there's never more that seven or eight at the most on screen.
In the Navigating video, we see that Clancy has hallucinated Josh traveling with him ever since the Submarine (and maybe before then), as when he sees Torchbearer Josh standing before him, the Josh by his side disappears.
This has happened before.
In the Heavydirtysoul video, Clancy is in the back seat of the car with Nico/Blurryface in the front, driving. We know Nico is driving because Clancy says as much in the "I Am Clancy" video, saying he tricked Nico into taking him out of the city.
In the HDS video, as the car starts to fall apart, at one point the camera pans from Clancy in the back to the front seat... which is empty. Nico has disappeared. Is this all a visual metaphor for what happens when his dark side (Blurryface) takes over?
Next, the end of the Jumpsuit video shows the moments immediately following the car crash. Clancy goes to the trunk of the burning car, opens it, and pulls out... a Bandito jacket (which he is seen wearing throughout the video). Why would there be a Bandito jacket in Nico's trunk? And more importantly, why would Clancy know exactly where to find it? Also, if Josh was in the middle of the street, thus causing the car crash, where is he as we transition into Jumpsuit?
In "I Am Clancy", he says he created a fiery diversion to escape from Nico... but where is Nico after the crash?
It's easy to assume Josh was a hallucination in this video... but why would Clancy's hallucination of Josh cause *Nico* to crash the car? And why would Clancy take credit for it ("*I* created a fiery diversion.")?
It kinda seems like Clancy was the one driving in the HDS video. Which, from the songs "Ride" and "Car Radio", we know he likes to do when he needs to get away from his bad thoughts.
The rest of the Jumpsuit video shows him wandering Trench, hair having grown in so we can assume it's been a while. He's being watched by the Banditos - why has it taken them so long (all that hair growth) to say anything to him. In fact, why don't they directly intervene to stop Nico when he comes to reclaim him? He's presumably a helpless victim in their eyes, right?
Or is he?
Let's fast-forward to the Nico and the Niners video.When the Bandito's, led by Torchbearer Josh, enter the city, he and Clancy seem to recognize each other. In fact, they greet each other with an elaborate secret handshake. Where have we seen that handshake before?
In the Stressed Out video, which depicts Tyler (Clancy?) as a kid, riding his bike to his friend Josh's house, where they do the same handshake.
And what's the pre-chorus of that song say? "My name's Blurryface and I care what you think." What if that video depicts Nico's early years, before he became a Bishop and founded Vialism? And what if his line in Goner, "I have two faces, Blurry's the one I'm not" is about Clancy rejecting that dark persona?
So... why would Josh lead the Banditos into the city to rescue this random stranger?
Maybe Josh recognizes him as the same childhood friend he shared that handshake with.
But then, why wouldn't they just attack Nico in the wilderness, instead opting to put themselves in more danger by entering the city?
Well, maybe, when they saw him in the wilderness, they weren't sure if they could trust him. Maybe something had to convince them? Something like... maybe seeing your childhood best friend, who grew up to be the founder of a dark religion, having a mental break where he seems to be at war with himself internally? Maybe that might seem like a risk worth taking, indulging the side of him that wants to be an "adversary to the evil he has done" (as he says in Polarize).
And maybe, to Clancy, Josh represents a purer side of himself that he hasn't felt since childhood (basically everything the song "Stressed Out" is about), and as he takes a ride outside the city to clear his mind, he hallucinates his childhood friend in the road, thus causing the car crash and beginning his dissociative episode.
More supporting observations:
- "I Am Clancy" describes the Saturday video simply saying, "Then Nico was betrayed."
But Nico doesn't appear in that video. Only Clancy, "Josh", and a bunch of guards which might be bodies being "seized" by the other Bishops. But if that's so, why would Nico have accompanied him personally while the rest possessed bodies?
- (Almost?) Every video from the Clancy era (including the Overcompensate video) depicts Tyler wearing a "stole" which is apparently something worn by ordained bishops.
- Also, holyshit, I just found this wiki article while looking up the name of the garment from the last point: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Joseph_Clancy_(bishop)
Final theory:
I think this whole story is about Tyler/Clancy/Nico/(Weil???)'s inner struggle against his worst impulses.
I think some heavy trauma in his youth (Car Radio + Next Semester) sent him down a dark spiral.
I think he created (co-opted?) Vialism without fully understanding where it would lead, and once he realized what he'd done, he couldn't handle the consequences of his own actions (Choker), and this internal schism created the Clancy persona (and maybe Blurryface too?).
At this point, I think he considers himself a hostage of the world he's created, and specifically of his fellow bishops, who see him crumbling, but need him as the figurehead of the religion.
I think "Clancy" is the part of him that identifies with with his pre-trauma self, as embodied by his childhood best friend Josh. Which is why so much of the story appears to be Josh helping him break free, but Blurryface coming to take him back. (also literally embodied by the songs Backslide + Snap Back)
I think the "Trench Trilogy" of videos shows this cycle, but things are different this time because Josh recognized his old friend having a breakdown in the wilderness, and he really DOES come to get him out this time. Clancy isn't imagining this. It's real. But that doesn't stop the darkness from taking over again, which is why he ends up "captured" again.
In reality, I think he "choked" and returned to Dema, and promised his fellow Bishops this was the last time, he would not have another episode.
I think he promised them, "Clancy is Dead."
But one Bishop didn't believe him, and so during the gathering in the Saturday video, I think that Bishop tried to change him from a figurehead to a martyr by sinking the submarine with him in it. Thus, Clancy/Nico is betrayed.
I think the back half of the Clancy album is all about Clancy sliding back into Nico again, only this time his friends are there to help him, and he finally comes to terms with the fact he IS Nico.
I think the climactic moment of the Paladin Strait video (IF IT EVER RELEASES) will be Nico revealing himself to be Blurryface-era Tyler and speaking the final words of the album.
.......all of which corresponds pretty nicely to your Andre Weil theory, I think! :D
Very cool idea and well thought out!
This makes me think of disassociative identity disorder. Think of Moon Knight, how Marc will be doing something, but Steven wants to stop him, But then they both black out and wake up to everyone dead around him. Who did that? A third personality they haven't even met (Jake)
Yeah if you know anything about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) or Other-Specified Depressive Disorder (OSDD) then you really picked up the signs of this in the Navigating music video.
If the Navigating music video really speaks to Tyler's state of mind, this might explain why he doesn't want to perform the song live and that the song would've been removed from the album. It's revealing about what's actually going on in Tyler's head (maybe - all speculation still; could still be part of this story TOP is telling). And as we saw in the livestream, Josh is there to support Tyler even against Tyler's best wishes, echoing Josh's role in the Trench world.
I think Tyler is both Tyler, Clancy, and Nico. I think Paladin Strait will be an attempt for Tyler, at least fictionally because we have no clue if this is actually real, to integrate both alters of Clancy and Nico and come to grips with the trauma that might have split his mind into two so long ago.
After learning about DID from the show Mr. Robot and the TH-cam channel DissociaDID, having multiple alters/personas doesn't have to be a bad thing. Some systems choose to integrate, some have no choice as integration happens automatically, and some choose to stay fragmented. It's no unheard of for "persecutor" type alters to integrate with their hosts, and to be honest with the amount of damage Blurryface/Nico does to Tyler when they "front", integration might be the only path forward.
Also, regarding the Bandito jacket in Blurryface's car, many people with DID share that it's not uncommon for alters to front against the host's will to avoid engaging with certain activities. I think it was explained to me that a system might be driving to a therapist appointment, and halfway through the drive an alter might front to drive the system back home and miss the appointment. This is just an example of what can happen when alters/personas/identities aren't in harmony. This example also points to how it could have been Nico's car in HDS, and Clancy could have also put the Bandito jacket in the trunk. Tyler might know the jacket is there because Clancy is fronting and had memories of putting it there. Oftentimes alters have amnesia barriers and don't share all of the same memories, so Nico might not have known about the jacket but Clancy did.
"I created this world to feel some control, destroy it if I want" - it makes sense if Tyler=Clancy=Nico=Andre. Andre is the creator of Vialism and Dema, his alter ego Clancy now wants to destroy it
"I'll morph to someone else. Defense mechanism mode" - he morphs to all this diferent personas as a defense mechanism because of his trauma.
"Polarize is taking your disguises
Separating 'em, splitting 'em up from wrong and right
It's deciding where to die and deciding where to fight
Deny, deny, denial"
He has many disguises, he wants to split them from wrong (Nico and Andre) and right (Clancy), deciding where to die (give in to Dema) and deciding where to fight (with the Banditos against Dema), but ultimately he is always in denial of what is really going on.
"Domingo en fuego
I think I lost my halo
I don't know where you are
You'll have to come and find me, find me"
When he is in a "domingo en fuego"="sunday in fire" (remember "sundays are my suicide days"), he losts his halo, becoming Nico or Andre, then he needs Josh, the Torchbearer, to guide him back to the right path.
That bishop in Jumpsuit might actually be Keons.
In fact, in the routines in the night MV there’s 8 cloaks and Tyler
This is what I thought of too. Everyone was saying the 8 was because Keons died, but this makes more sense.
the 9th cloak is behind josh actually, at 2:13 minute
When the 9th appears behind Josh, Tyler is never there
In the last part of the video we can watch that there are like 6 doors, 3 red (clancy x2, blurryface), 1 yellow(don t know if its a door but is yellow and we can say now he is in trench, because he is standing there), 1 blue (SAI)and the last one green (self-titled). I dont know, i think im getting crazy😵🥴
I've always felt like this was the case myself, my theory is that Tyler was a bishop, perhaps the original bishop, and he changed over time and came to understand Vialism isn't the way, and so he keeps trying to escape, but his past self, Nico, keeps haunting him. And that's why at the end of Paladin Strait he is searching for Nico and confronts him, the sound of the door opening isn't a real door, he's unlocking that box in his head where he locked Nico away, he must confront his dark past to overcome it and be stronger to face the rest of his demons. He must embrace and overcome his monster, to find his true self. Just my theory anyway
That is a very interesting theory for sure! I could see that being the case.
Like in the video game, Celeste. You cannot destroy the part of yourself that you don't like or think to be bad.
i kinda agree with this, i think chlorine is showing how tyler/nico got the ned antlers before nico went to trench and became a bishop (also if this is true then i think josh in the chlorine music video is andre)
Just thinking about the bandito lyric "I created this world
To feel some control
Destroy it if I want"
Or, he opens the door and see no one inside but an actual mirror, then he understand it was him all this time
He mentions the word "disassociate" in Navigating. The whole song is heavy on lore and feels very much like a confrontation with the two sides he has.
also bringing back mental health references
You are such a genius! Tyler is Blurryface- he will be facing himself, the mirror moment and that part of himself has to die in order to live. You could also say it’s the shadow confrontation- he has to integrate it as Jung would suggest in psychology. Overall, It’s definitely a Christian ideal because you need to understand how and the appropriate times to do that, which is difficult to do without faith that someone is leading you in the right way. And in Isle of Flightless Birds it talks about the angels and demons molding our emotions. Thats who these Bishops are. The Fallen angels and their deceased kin (demons) speaking to us and telling us spiritual lies that we believe about ourselves and we name them Blurryface because the best trick of the enemy is to convince us he doesn’t exist. We have to die to the part of ourselves that believes these lies. Your soul knows good and evil, your soul knows both sides, and we need to pick our battle side. There is a LOT of evidence from ancient culture studies that backs up the truth of angels and demons. I could point you to scholars that discuss these supernatural evidences in scripture that the institutional ‘church,’ and its leaders have masked and led believers astray on.
Morph is an incredibly deep song. It discusses the idea that numbers and math are all we are as a form when we die- 1s and 0s that can be copied. This is very different from an alive original spirit, and came from Bourbaki’s systematic mathematics which tried to prove the empty set is the foundation you need to create from. The Aristotelian enlightenment only depends on scientific (empirical) knowledge yet (stemming from math), it contradicts itself at its end because there is an end to the evidence and the love question still remains. It just circles ‘around’ the issue. But it’s a hard lie to get around because the other requires ‘blind belief’ or faith. Ironically, if you look into the mathematician Kurt Gödel, he PROVED in his incompleteness theorem that there will always be something bigger than we can conceive of. We were designed to have faith. ❤️
just wow, very nicely summed up! @@Beccaboo739
Plus, in Christianity, you need to kill your flesh and old self and live as a new creature
Trapdoor-
He wakes up early today
Throws on a mask that will alter his face
Nobody knows his real name
But now he just uses one he saw on a grave
Does this mean anything? Maybe idk, but this whole taking his name from a neon gravestone makes me think of this lyric.
Exactly.
I think they are definitely related and I think that Tyler playing trapdoor live in the small concerts is a hint for us to look at the song again
@@hollyp.5426 same with slowtown and isle of flightless birds
Honestly the whole self titled album actually hints at a lot of things, even the album cover has most of the concepts we know about now
I love this video because it finally gives a good reason as to why blurry face was Tyler in blurryface and was his own person (Nico) in trench. It finally gives clarity as to why he is portrayed so differently in those albums
I always thought that Tyler is/was a bishop who came to the realization of the bad things he did, then tried to run away from Dema and this world, in DENIAL of the things he did and made other citizens do.
'I have killed a man and all I know is I am on the run and go,' 'Reminding me of who I killed inside my dream,' 'Nothing kills a man faster than his own head.' These are lyrics that make me think about Tyler, not literally killing someone, but making them committed to vialism since he knows that sometimes, to stay alive, you gotta kill your mind. But also, the mind is the fastest way to not make it through.
And your theory makes perfect sense to me. I'm not a good theorist, and I can't explain or elaborate more than that, but I hope you get it.
I do get it! That's very intriguing. Thank you for your comment.
My theory for the number 25 is that it means the Trench and Scaled and Icy albums. In Snap Back he says "Running from a thing, that I kicked in '17" as in, "leaving" DEMA at the end of Blurryface, but then he says "Fool you once, it's been twenty-five times", as in all the songs from Trench and Scaled and Icy. So my interpretation of this is that he has been fooling everyone since 2017.
The Pantaloon
Fall Away
Johnny Boy
Forest
Addict with a Pen
March to the Sea
Kitchen Sink
I think these seven songs are heavily connected to the lore as well since these were included in tour de Columbus ending that era that he "kicked in '17" they all have something to do with the creation of Trench i.e. the darkest part of Tyler's mind.
There’s something else in the song Clear that stands out to me, but starting off, the name Clancy to my understanding means “son of the RED warrior”, and in No Chances we hear who I believe to be maybe Nico or the bishops say “ride or die MY SON”, right? So, in clear Tyler states that he’s the “son of all he’s done” making his metaphorical father “all he’s done”, so perhaps Nico is metaphorically Clancy’s father and also everything “he’s done”
The song "Two" is a very interesting song that most likely is related to the story, since the number 2 keeps popping up in the videos. If you think about it, obviously Tyler has "TWO" faces, Clancy and Blurryface. The song "Two" also has two different emotions. For example, the song is calming, but it can also make you feel anxious. Blurryface is anxiety and Tyler/Clancy is himself. Goner also has relations to this as well. In the song, Tyler says, "I have 2 faces, Blurry's the one I'm not." The 9th circle on the Blurryface album art represents Goner. The 9th bishop is Listo. Listo's name also comes from the lyrics in Ride, "LIST Of people." That "list of people" must mean Clancy and Blurryface. Then again, considering east is up it might not be Listo, it could be Nills. Nills comes from the lyrics in "GONER" "and beaten dowN, ILL Slip away"
Yeah I was going to comment this but also Two really connects with this theory because the lyrics are "I'm two
Be gone, you see me
I'm two
Be gone, you see me
I'm two
Be gone, you see me
I'm two
Be gone, you see me." Also "Two" was made during the regional at best era, proving that Nico is not real and just Clancy alter ego.
Thanks for these comments y'all. I'm a huge fan, but I don't know all this lore. Some of it. I got the book with the CD and the one he's talking about. The "E" book❤️💃 l-/ I love it. This is fun to try and figure out and find clues
I find it curious that Nico's voice at the end of Paladin Strait is clearly just pitched down Tyler's/Clancy's voice. And it sounds almost somber, not menacing or mocking. I bet we'll see Tyler's face behind the veil in the music video.
I think that voice is Josh’s voice. In the live stream, after Navigating, Tyler said Josh has 3 parts like a triangle (or words to that effect). Josh wasn’t physically with Tyler when he was leading him, but he could project himself. Josh as a Bandito is the real Josh. I think the voice we always say is Nico or Blurryface is going to be Josh. Josh is the Torchbearer, he is the guide, he is the one with the plan, and I think he is going to be the one Tyler/Clancy sees at the top of the tower. I think Josh is going to help Clancy, maybe an ongoing helper, with Clancy’s mental health. Mental health is an ongoing battle, so I don’t think the ending will be a definite ending with all the answers to the lore. Clancy can’t do it alone, but he can with the help of Josh. Just like mental health for everyone, sometimes we all need the help of our friends, or family, or a mental health professional.
@@PAB-r4eits not josh's voice- if you pitch it up you can hear that it's tyler
It sounds like love, like a benevolent father to a son who was expected.
I definitely think there is some truth to this theory. It makes me wonder if I figured out the end of the Paladin Straight music video. What if at the end, Clancy opens the door and sees his reflection. However, it won’t be of himself as Clancy, but rather Nico. Nico and Clancy are one and the same. They’re both Tyler.
This ties in with your reference to Clear from RAB. The whole song is referring to how Tyler likes to refer to Christian themes and ideas in his songs without being explicitly religious. And when he unveiled the DEMA storyline for the first time with Trench, he actually said that this was an attempt to make a fictional world where he wasn’t a Christian. This would all tie together with a major tenant of the Christian faith: We can’t get rid of evil on our own; we need a savior.
In other words, think of the answer to the question, “Why can’t an omnipotent God just rid the whole world of all evil?” The answer is that because we are all sinners, doing so by God’s standards would rid the world of everyone. By this ending, Tyler would essentially be saying that he can’t defeat the evil of DEMA on his own, because he is a part of it. Clancy and Nico are two sides of the same coin. So, if the double album theory is correct, I might expect a Christ-like figure to enter the storyline and defeat all of the evil of DEMA once and for all, while at the same time, saving Clancy from his alter-ego of Nico.
This is very interesting and definitely a way of looking at it that I had not fully considered. Thank you very much for this insight.
@@perligo what if trash is the leviathan and the same saviour who will defeat DEMA is also what killed trash?
@@Tristan_Willcox True. Cause Trash was already dead before the Saturday MV...
Bro, I've been thinking Tyler's faith has been halted by his fame because he doesn't want to be controversial. I'm totally missing the hints in his songs. Your theory is so cool and i hope its true. I was really perplexed about why Tyler thinks he can get rid of this evil on his own. None of us can rid ourselves of evil, we need a savior to do it. Thank you so much for opening my eyes to this side of the story.
@@beaubilator7234 In Goner he does say: "I need your help to take him out." Often, the "You" in his songs refers to God. Especially in Vessel, but even in songs like HDS...
One other point about the song Clear.
He references being a general.
Which may tie into the source of the original Bourbaki name. Although they had different first names.
The original Bourbaki was General Bourbaki, whom as I am sure you are aware, was a very successful French general.
Until the battle where directly because of his decisions, he lost no less than 63,000 mens' lives.
He tried to commit su*cide using a modern day, at the time, firearm, which was a blunderbuss with a large metal ball and powder.
Even though he did not misfire, and even though he had it aimed directly at his head, he still was not able to take himself out.
Instead, he dented his thick-ass skull.
In one day, he went from succeeding at every task he tried his hand at to failing at every task he tried his hand at.
For some reason, the group thought it would be hilarious to name themselves after this man. Because everything about his story just screams math, math, math.
In the original video where I learned this info, many in the comments were drawing correlations between the general and the man in All My Sons who made airplane parts in the second world war.
He also made a huge mistake and as a result, 21 men lost their lives, and as we know, the man goes on to take his own life, but successfully.
This is what I know.
I don't have any conclusions yet to draw from this data.
I'm gonna go listen to Clear right now to see if there is anything else that is relevant.
That is a very interesting parallel that is worth keeping in mind. Thank you for pointing it out!
He literally mentions Nico by name in Morph. He told him he's a copy.
"Hell always try to stop me,
That Nicolas Bourbaki,
Those who know him most know he goes by Nico."
This song is not a part of the Blurryface album
That could just be unreliable narration. After all, Tyler's Clancy is the only character who actually talks about Nico. And we had letter from a Clancy who's bishop was Keons, describing Keons as a figure they looked up to and felt safe with.
But Nico is, apparently, only seen when Tyler sees him. Unlike Torch-Bearer, we never see him on his own, doing anything Tyler is not aware of.
I think the whole lore story will end like this. There will be a final battle but no one wins. It’s all gonna come back to the end of heavydirtysoul with Tyler in the car after it blowing up and everything. It’s an ongoing cycle.
Definitely could be!
You are such a genius! Tyler is Blurryface- he will be facing himself, the mirror moment and that part of himself has to die in order to live. You could also say it’s the shadow confrontation- he has to integrate it as Jung would suggest in psychology. Overall, It’s definitely a Christian ideal because you need to understand how and the appropriate times to do that, which is difficult to do without faith that someone is leading you in the right way. And in Isle of Flightless Birds it talks about the angels and demons molding our emotions. Thats who these Bishops are. The Fallen angels and their deceased kin (demons) speaking to us and telling us spiritual lies that we believe about ourselves and we name them Blurryface because the best trick of the enemy is to convince us he doesn’t exist. We have to die to the part of ourselves that believes these lies. Your soul knows good and evil, your soul knows both sides, and we need to pick our battle side. There is a LOT of evidence from ancient culture studies that backs up the truth of angels and demons. I could point you to scholars that discuss these supernatural evidences in scripture that the institutional ‘church,’ and its leaders have masked and led believers astray on.
Morph is an incredibly deep song. It discusses the idea that numbers and math are all we are as a form when we die- 1s and 0s that can be copied. This is very different from an alive original spirit, and came from Bourbaki’s systematic mathematics which tried to prove the empty set is the foundation you need to create from. The Aristotelian enlightenment only depends on scientific (empirical) knowledge yet (stemming from math), it contradicts itself at its end because there is an end to the evidence and the love question still remains. It just circles ‘around’ the issue. But it’s a hard lie to get around because the other requires ‘blind belief’ or faith. Ironically, if you look into the mathematician Kurt Gödel, he PROVED in his incompleteness theorem that there will always be something bigger than we can conceive of. We were designed to have faith. ❤️
Hey, super interesting video! Just wanted to point out one detail that may add or take away from the whole thing. We know that Tyler does in fact exist as himself in the world of DEMA because in the Scaled and Icy livestream he is specifically referred to as "Tyler Joseph" by the hosts of Good Day DEMA. This makes me think that Clancy is very much just a codename used to protect his identity. Or perhaps Clancy is what he calls one half of himself like you mentioned in your theory. Either way, great video!
I wonder if their song “Two” has anything to do with the lore. It sounds somewhat ominous, was released technically after RAB and mentions being two and be gone. Maybe it isn’t related, but it was something I’ve noticed.
That's a very good point. It definitely could be related.
I think that's definetly what they'll show in the Paladin Strait music video, in the end it won't be two Tylers (one Clancy the other NIco) it will be more like a "Split" or "Moonknight" scene, where the one Tyler who is Clancy until the end, shakes his head and assumes his split personality, Nico without realising, likely in front of all the Banditos.
The "I got two faces" lyric to me was always pretty telling that "they" are just the one person, Tyler, also because why would have Clancy "Come up with Josh Dun" (Overcompensate) otherwise
I love this lore it gives me chills
Great video! Always looks forward to hearing your theories. Me and my kids have a few.
1. Tyler is and always has been a Bishop.
2. Blurryface is the name of the entity Tyler becomes when he is being seized by Nico.
3. The city of Dema is a power grid, the Neon Gravestones are the batteries.
4. Torchbearer can shapeshift into a dragon.
Very interesting! I'd hadn't considered most of those. Thank you! 2 and 3 in particular are quite compelling.
Tyler said in an interview, "Trash Dragons" are slang in Dema for vultures... and what do they do? Eat the dead...
Oof… #3 is the Matrix! 1s and 0s. Anybody listening? The Bishops are trying to turn our world into the Matrix! Makes so much sense with Morph!
How did you come up with the torchbearer shape shifting into a Dragon? Who is Keons then?
@@FireInTheSoulchains around his neck?? Where?
Ok ok. This might be a stretch because Routines In The Nights isn’t “lore” but around 1:45 in the music video there are only 8 bishop cloak/robes pictured! Great video btw!!
I definitely think Routines in the Night is part of the lore. It's not part of the "Clancy Trilogy" (if you will), but I can't see how it's not lore-related. The 8 clocks clue in that video is a very good point. Thank you!
I am completely on board with this theory, and it even fills in some of the holes of what I've been pushing around in my head.
One thing I want to add to lend credence to your theory - especially on the evolution of Blurryface to Trench where Tyler splits his two faces into Clancy and Nico respectively. One specific lyric keeps coming up from Tyler - "I created this world to feel some control. Destroy it if I want." It was in Bandito and then repeated at the beginning of Overcompensate. But it was also the first thing Tyler said at the beginning of his Clancy livestream; as if to bring even more attention to it.
This was always a weird lyric to me, because it pops up during lore-heavy songs (bandito, overcompensate) - but it always felt more like a message from Tyler. But it would make way more sense if that message from Tyler was part of the lore. Like the Tyler from the Blurryface album saying he's making this distinction between his two faces, but he needs an arena for them to duke it out.
That all said - I think there are a few permutations of your theory:
1. Exactly as you said - Nico isn't real and Clancy is just Tyler identifying himself with the non-blurry face.
2. None of Trench -> Clancy is real and it is more of a simulacrum of Tyler's experiences brought into story-form.
3. Nico is real, but he and Clancy can't be in the same place at the same time since they're the same person.
Fun afterthought - I wonder if the something soft and soaked in pain that the leader of the bad guys sang was "Sahlo Folina" - I'd sure call him crazy.
gosh, you are such a genius!!!! you would say something and i would immediately go “oh crap! he’s right!!”
Haha, thank you!
hey girlieeeee
In Snap Back Tyler says “I commandeered a hot ride, drove it till the engine died” referencing the Heavydirtysoul music video, which also supports the fact that blurryface doesnt actually exist and it was just him.
This makes so much sense just replace Nico with himself. For example, the banditos saved Tyler from himself. Like friends saving u from Yourself aka suicide maybe. Or he’s trying to escape from himself saying it like that just makes sense
In a scene in routines of the night it shows tyler sitting in front of a wardrobe with only 8 robes further proving your theory
Very true.
Fairly Local wasn’t the first time we heard the pitched down “Blurryface” voice. See Screen 2nd verse.
Brother as someone who has been in the theories business from the beginning, followed the band/lore since the time of RaB/Vessel. Has been into this from the start. You cooked here. I've been saying for the longest time that nico/Clancy are just the opposite sides of the battle in Tyler's mind and this nails that home. Great theory, I love this.
Thank you!
Also for the record, submitted this theory to the discord verified theories group (you have to pass a hard-ass test to get in there) for review/discussion. A lot of the people in there see this as plausible/real. And this is a group of all the og ogs. Great work with this
@@ztaylor2036 Wow!! Thank you so much. I really appreciate that, it means a lot.
I thought that was apparent though. Nico/clancy/Tyler are all the same person just different sides of his personality/mental state.
In the lore Tyler uses Clancy’s name from the gravestone, what if he actually referencing a real person who has died or commited suicide?
What if at the end of paladin strait he is looking at himself in the mirror saying hello Clancy
Always look forward to getting your insight on TOP lore. Keep 'em coming
Thanks! More thoughts, but don't want to rush anything :)
Clancy has long had an established connection to the bishops, first the picture from the journals that’s title was self.png and it was andre weil and a child. Plus Clancy having the ability to seize bodies just as the bishops do. My theory is that maybe the whole time the bishops were testing Clancy to prepare him to be the nineth bishop or maybe even he already was but after finding the original clancy letters (some of the clancy letters are written from a perspective that see Tyler Clancy doing things) he took on that name to distance himself from the persona that the bishops were trying to force on him. Now that he’s own his own with the ability to seize bodies he will either fill that slot as a bishop or take down that side of himself.
apologies if this makes no sense my thoughts are very scrambled.
FPE as Failed Perimeter Escape is an extremely dark identity and badge. It also represents both sides potentially with vialism. It could be the shame of failing to follow through when someone fails or it could be the shame of slipping back and even thinking of it which could also be construed as a failure (both types of failure being self imposed thoughts/feelings).
Good point!
@@perligo Also, in a similar vein, Oldies station could be sad at some parts. "Little less concerned/when there's nothing in the tank" could be a reference to the lethargy that comes with deep depression and how it's easier than recovery because the lethargy often prevents people from following through on bad ideas, while recovery can give the energy to do those things so the thoughts are less frightening when you know you couldn't do it. Sorry for seeming like such a downer, it's a favorite and I still think it's extremely hopeful. Like most of their songs, it's double sided and that adds to it's beauty.
Ahhh!! Josh just did an interview (th-cam.com/video/XmWzd8H54eA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hYy81L1MYcLbm7or) where he said this era of this specific side of the story or POV (Clancy’s side of the story) will be ending. So does that mean we will be getting the other side?? ALSO! He said that the storyline/story first started when him and Tyler first met! So the Clear and Two predictions could be right! Also why else would they put the red tape over Vessel if it wasn’t meant to be apart of the “lore”?
Hadn't seen that interview yet, thanks for linking it! Great thoughts.
Another one about there only beign 8 bishops present, in the video for Routines in the Night, Tyler is sitting in front of an open closet with only 8 robes inside.
Tyler thought of something funnier than 24.
I feel like it's possible about the double album but it's more likely that maybe we get a few more songs I think more likely we just get 25 songs or maybe something to do with the number 25 they may already have the extra track or extra tracks done by now maybe they're waiting to release it on the 25th of June
Goner is probably the biggest giveaway the Tyler is Blurryface
Definitely.
i love this theory, but also would like to advise you with looking up for some information about simone weil, andre's sister, who died on a hunger strike, therefore inspiring a real thing called weilism
Will do! I have been thinking about a video solely dedicated to a study of Vialism and the Bourbaki group. There seems to be a lot of fascinating ideas and philosophy behind those. Thanks for pointing me in that direction!
This actually makes so much sense 🤯🤯🤯
Im pretty sure that Tyler is 9th bishop in this story
could their old song "two" have soemthing to do with all the number two references as well maybe??
Definitely.
I've officially lost track of the characters in the world of Trench, and how the world translates into this massive analogy about mental health.
I should probably let theory experts figure shit out, as we get more content, before I make my mind about stuff going on
😅
U say Tyler doesn’t exist in the universe but in the livestream sally calls him Tyler
Was gonna say this as well. I was talking with some people recently, and I do think that Clear is relevant to it. Tyler has two faces, one which yells on the street corner (Clancy, writing letters, seizing to hold a lecture/sermon for the Banditos, etc.) and another which cleverly masks his words (Tyler writing SAI. That's why the name is an anagram for Clancy is dead, and also why so many of the songs seem to have double meanings. Listen to them from the perspective of a Bishop, and then from the perspective of a Bandito and you'll see what I mean. Just as an example, No Chances. The Bishops would hear “We get bodies every day, we want you home in one piece now” as “People are committed to Vialism, we don’t want you to leave and get hurt outside of these walls so you can’t achieve a Glorious Gone” while Banditos/residents will hear it as “We’re losing each other to Vialism every day, we want to get you out of Dema and back to where you belong without any harm being done by the Bishops.") Then I came up with the idea that it's sort of an "Unholy Trinity" if you will. Tyler is not Clancy is not Nico, but Tyler is Blurryface, Clancy is Blurryface, and Nico is Blurryface, whether each individually or only all together I'm unsure of, but it seems possible to me
Wow. I feel like you nailed it. This makes more sense than any other theory I’ve heard before. Great job!
Thanks!
OH MY GOD VENOM STYLE NICO/CLANCY TEAMUP???? absolutely here for it. i actually cobbled together a medley of clear, stressed out, and morph back in 2019, so glad to see those similarities followed up on
I just haven't had time to read both books. Work. I really appreciate this. It helps me A LOT. I remember someone talking about the lights, yellow dashes in road, the sparks, being part of all this. They do turn blue towards the end. Pretty sure. Could be in other parts of video too
I have a genuine question, I just got back into like the whole lore thing recently and I’m trying to catch up.
Isn’t there a letter from Clancy that talks about him watching what happens to Tyler in the Jumpsuit music video? And how different Nico is from Keons? So were we actually seeing Nico in that scene or was it someone else?
Yes, there is a letter like that. However, a later letter from Clancy appears to claim that was an out-of-body experience. The "I Am Clancy" video also seems to confirm that. (Definitely watch that video if you are trying to catch up again).
Fair question though!
@@perligo okay, yeah I have seen the “I am Clancy” video but it’s been a while and I have terrible memory, I’d just been wondering for a while now if Clancy was an actual person who wrote the first several letters and then Tyler took on his name and picked off where Clancy left off (either after Clancy died or disappeared) or if it was Tyler writing them all along. I don’t think it would’ve been that big of a question if it wasn’t for Clancy talking about Keons being his assigned Bishop while Tyler’s was Nico. But I haven’t actually read the letters for myself, I’ve only watched people talk about them so I probably need to read them for myself before I start asking too many questions.
Thank you for answering though!
yeap that's, imo, the only thing that contradicts this otherwise brilliant theory: if Clancy is actually a part of Tyler as well as Nico is, then how and why a "real" Keons might be his (Clancy's) bishop
Another strange point to consider. Andre Weil's last name is actually pronounced "Vial". Where have we heard that? Hmm. That's right. VIALISM.
Yep, exactly! See 8:25.
@@perligo Just got there. Didn't know you spoke on it. Awesome!!
Yeah since Navigating where they revealed Josh's odd existence within the music videos to be a genuine plot point we should have been keeping track of (found how he "teleported" about in The Outside weird but didn't think too hard lol), the way Nico disappears and is at points not even in the driver's seat in in the Heavydirtysoul MV probably indicates something.
I also remember someone reacting to the I Am Clancy video shouting "but HOW??" when Tyler* mentions tricking Blurry into taking him outside the city walls....and this is implied to have been done knowingly.......uhm............cause like yeah legit wait what wait what HOW THE HECK DID YOU DO THAT AGAIN??????
Very true. I was wondering that myself and it was another sticking point which sort of fell into place under this theory.
I wonder if “I commandeered a hot ride” could be him referring to the Heavydirtysoul MV
@@albertohernandez3118 It definitely could be!
6:11 sorry, but you forgot the "East Is Up" thing. Keons would be top left, which the circle TØP red-taped (and he is the already dead bishop). Anyway, very GREAT video, you mentioned a lot of things I didn't noticed!
You are cool. This is such a good theory and it feels right. It more deeply roots the lore into somethibg very real and personal to Tyler, which is exactly what we would expect. His creativity combined with his executive functioning ability and foresight to tie everything together so intricately is absolutely genius and also totally mind boggling. I really feel this could be a masterpiece feature film one day. It would be so cool if signed off on that. A movie derived from a musical story would be so cool.
And Josh should Direct it.
And they should only do that after a few more albums first haha.
I think it would help everyone in this conversation if we all learned more about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) and Other-Specified Depressive Disorder (OSDD). Once you make the connection that either Blurryface, Clancy, or Tyler can front, then the lyrics make much more sense.
I'm speaking fictionally of course. We have no evidence that Tyler actually has DID/OSDD irl, and it would be extremely insensitive to claim things about someone else's mental state without full knowledge up front.
But in the natn music video there's 9 bishops at the church. Then at the end when they are walking just 8, but at the begining they are 9
nico and the niners..... if he is the 9 t hen why is there niners? JOSH DUN IS THE NINTH AND NICO IS TYLER🤣
In the livestream they introduced tyler as Tyler joseph from twenty one pilots
I love this theory. One thing I don't get though is that one of the clancy letters describes the Jumpsuit music video in 3rd person. Then when you get to the SAI Era it's all first person. Why was clancy a different person from Tyler in Trench but the same person in SAI?
Don’t we first hear blurryfaces voice in Screen (“I’ll get no radio play”)
You've got nice info, mate! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for listening! :)
Tyler is a bishopm he created that world and maybe is the leader without knowing? - "I used to be the champion of a world you cant see, now I am drowning in logistics."
You've got a lot of nuggets here. Thanks for the insight and discussion!
So. It was leaked btw. And I've heard it. Can confirm it's real. Don't know when it will be out tho.
What if it’s all clues to the ending? What if 25 is the 25th song which is Not Today? What if 9 is for every 9th song of their albums?
The idea of hyping up their new album to get the money made and then sneaking a second album in a few months later is really cool.
This is fantastic! Thanks dude💃❤️✌🏻
Thanks!
@@perligo you're very welcome!!!
CRAAAAAZZZYYYYY!
Promise me this,
If I lose to myself,
You won't mourn a day,
And you'll move onto someone else
He told me I'm a copy
When I'd hear him mock me
Commandeered hot ride
Drove until the engine died
Tyler was driving the car all along...
Am I the only one that sees the guy in the borbacci group in the middle of the picture as like a long lost relative of Tyler? Like they even have a similar smile
Does My Blood MV has to do with the Clancy/Nico thing then? Or am I just too far hahaha
Mmm thia double personality, could explain and give a little more sense to My blood video?
I got two faces... Blurry is the one I'm not... WOW
So if clancy isn’t real, does that make the entire dema storyline a forest fic joke?
in the minute 1:45 you can see 8 robes hanging in his closet but the 9th robe is worn by someone behind josh while he's drumming and in the music video of the outside you can see 8 neds in the campfire and one 9th ned with bigger antlers on the shore waiting for tyler to come and btw if so didn't keons die in the outside music video cuz he tired to help him or he tired to killed him cuz keons represents the fear of death, and also in the end you see that only 8th neon light remains 9th is left out and also i feel like trash the dragon has more meaning that we didn't discover yet so many question left i hope there is a second album that give us the anwsers
Clancy letters mention watching Tyler.....
So, based on this theory, who’s talking at the end of Paladin Strait? Is Tyler facing his dark side (Blurryface) or is Andre talking to him?
I believe it is Andre speaking at the end of Paladin Strait. I think he is really the one behind that "pitched-down voice". However, I am not sure who Tyler will actually come face to face with, based on this theory. It could be Blurryface (or someone he thinks is Blurryface) or it could be Andre himself.
What do you think?
@@perligo That’s interesting.
I think it could be either. But, if Paladin Strait is truly the end and we don’t get another song or anything, I think is more likely to be Blurryface because that would mean that the story ends when Tyler “accepts” that Blurryface will always be a part of him, because the battle against insecurities and dark thoughts never really end, you only confront them. But also it could be the the beginning of the story or the cycle, with Paladin Strait connecting directly with Fairly Local.
Definitely. If PS is the end of this story, then I don't see how it couldn't be Blurryface. Good point.
I think the nico and Blurryface character count is a huge stretch. You can add many words together to get 25 but it is I guess interesting. I personally don’t buy it but still a great theory of everything else
Oh yeah, that's very fair. I just thought it was interesting. But I definitely don't think that's WHY we've been seeing 25.
imagine a short film called Paladine Strait explaining everything and opening the door to a new lore!!!
CHILSS Literally CHILSS 🤯
That would be really cool.
So would it follow that all the glorious gones had their own blurryface?
Do ppl not remember the end of the live stream
The official music video for paladin strait is coming out June 25th
Maybe 25 means more but like a lore related video coming out on the 25th is what they've told us
Except the end of the livestream says Paladin Strait music video EARLY June and nothing about June 25th is early.
@@lindseyk60 fuck your right it did say early June
Shi mbmb
@@xavierlara5239 haha all good, it happens. Lots to keep straight haha
What specifically at the end of the live stream are you referring to?
They did mention the video would be early June, so I would be surprised if it ends up being June 25th - but maybe.
@@perligo yeah at the end of the filler video for paladin strait it says a video will be released in June for the same and before they played it tyler said it would be very lore related and follows navigating's video
I think your video proves what I've had in mind for a while (I may have missed it but I haven't seen anyone talk about it) And maybe it's just in my imagination but from the moment I saw it I couldn't not see it.
I noticed that in front of Blurryface's face on the cover of Clancy's there is a silhouette of a man standing facing Blurryface (looks a bit like Tyler to me)
Interesting!
"He goes by Nico, he told me I'm a copy" - Morph
Soooo good!!! What a twist of events. I can see it though
okay amazing video BUT where in the world did you find the vinyl for the trench sessions??? thats literally awesome
I got mine a few years back. Definitely one of my favorite vinyls. I don't think they are that hard to find actually! Try Merchbar, Discogs, or eBay.
This is the cheapest copy I've been able to find:
www.merchbar.com/rock-alternative/twenty-one-pilots/twenty-one-pilots-location-sessions-lp-vinyl
@@perligo WOAHHHHH
Thank you so much, you are an angel🙏🏻
@@maxbigboyb7260 Anytime!
I sometimes wonder whether twenty one pilots’ music is either for our enjoyment or to keep us wondering
Perhaps both
That makes entirely too much sense.
Wow. I have never seen just such a superb synthesis all of the albums into one solid story. With a fascinating new finding (or three) no less. You are my new “true north” for TøP lore @Perligo.
Wait. What? True 👆🏻east!
Following.
Thanks!
Pretty sure that clancy is the son of Nico. I think when clancy destroys Nico, clancy will become a bishop and can turn dema around for the better
That would also be very cool to see.
Why dont u have more subs and views man
Haha, idk...
(But probably because my channel is still very new.)
@@perligo ur really good at this, keep them coming!!! U will surely get a lot of views as soon as the algorithm catches u, ur videos are really well made and u seem very experienced
Thank you! I appreciate the encouragement. :)
Josh is also talked about in the sai stream.
Nico’s name is hidden in a strange way in stressed out: “my names blurry face aNd I Care what yOu think” if you look closely it spells out his name, I’m not sure how lore important that is but still a cool detail!!
@@brodiepace1719 The ultimate fusion... Clancy/Blurryface take out Tyler/Nico
I’m so confused. How big does this thing get?
W theory, love this
Wow. Great theory!
Andre Weil sister was Simone Weil. Look into her works. An influencer asked Tyler about her and he was like what did you say? And then something about that being too much to get into right there.
Thanks for this suggestion. I am hoping to do a deep dive into those figures and their philosophy soon. It all seems really interesting - and similar to what I normally do with this channel, when I'm not talking about TOP (haha).
Tyler even used a line of her work in Overcompensate- “ overtake your former self”
Wow!
🤯
We do see all nine in the outside music video
and the Nico and the Niners video
I agree with this theory a lot, but when you mention that there is only eight bishops, didn’t one of them get killed when mentioned in the I am Clancy video?
In Snapback he says "fool you once. it's been 25 times"