Navy Seal thinks The British SBS are better than Navy Seals🤯⚔️🇬🇧

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  • @Joe-Marco
    @Joe-Marco ปีที่แล้ว +2203

    British banter is a survival skill

    • @darrandavies9557
      @darrandavies9557 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Thats very true the british always turn a bad situation into a joke

    • @ned_1963
      @ned_1963 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Army banter is brilliant! 😂

    • @peterkenny5787
      @peterkenny5787 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Im Irish grew up haten British but respect sas sbs

    • @darrandavies9557
      @darrandavies9557 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@peterkenny5787 hating

    • @crossfire1122
      @crossfire1122 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@peterkenny5787of course you do

  • @jeffell
    @jeffell ปีที่แล้ว +677

    Training in Wales. It is either raining, just finished raining, or is getting ready to rain.

    • @JohnSmith-ki2eq
      @JohnSmith-ki2eq 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Welsh children are born with a natural waxy coating to repel the rain.

    • @ianjenkins1905
      @ianjenkins1905 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Or it's sleeting (horrible sticky rain), snowing (cold sticky rain) or hailing (hard rain)

    • @scottessery100
      @scottessery100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@ianjenkins1905and every direction is uphill

    • @ianjenkins1905
      @ianjenkins1905 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@scottessery100 Even the rain goes uphill. I was born in Wales, I didn't know till I was 18 that I could remove my cagoule :)

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Then it's getting ready to snow lol

  • @omblackwell1183
    @omblackwell1183 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    Illustration. Year: 1982. Place: The Falklands. A platoon of Paras is getting heavily shelled. Suddenly there is a cry as the shells fall in abundance: “Me leg,….’ave lost me bloody leg!!”
    To which there was a distant response from a fellow soldier: “Don’t worry mate, I’ve found it over here.”
    You cannot beat soldiers like that.

  • @ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13
    @ORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Thats coming from a NAVY SEAL you can't get a higher recommendation than that just glad we are allies..🇺🇸🇬🇧

  • @Rogue66669
    @Rogue66669 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    The Brits do have of the best armies in the world despite its size and being constantly let down by governments

    • @marcwindle7
      @marcwindle7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      They have cut ot alot but the military sign an oath to the queen well it was when I did my stint be king now. And if the government get out of hand the army will take over till king elects new government.

    • @1chish
      @1chish 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@marcwindle7 Errr ... no not quite. The UK military would never 'take over' anything constitutional becasue there is no need.
      If there is a tyrannical or non functioning Government the King can just dissolve Parliament and call an election. The King does not elect a new Government at all.
      The Queen did just that in Australia in 1975 - Sacked the PM, appointed another to get legislation cleared and called an election.

    • @kingsmegger4089
      @kingsmegger4089 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      yer we have the sas and when thay get in trubel we send in the beter one sbs lol

    • @edwardbateman3094
      @edwardbateman3094 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@marcwindle7you live in a fantasy lmao

    • @kingsmegger4089
      @kingsmegger4089 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@edwardbateman3094 my uncal allways sed my dad as is number is he needs help lol

  • @robharris8844U
    @robharris8844U 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    British banter keeps stress under control and builds and keeps team spirit and togetherness.

  • @garywilson6047
    @garywilson6047 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    A mate of mine in the army had his foot crushed in an accident back in the 80s. The most caring reaction he got from his mates was “get up you girl”

  • @MoA-Reload...
    @MoA-Reload... 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Something that can sometimes baffle non Brits is the relationship between the English, Scottish, Welsh and the Norn Irish. It's complicated kinda sums it up. We're kind of like 4 siblings. We'll take the mick out of each other, beat the crap out of each other but the moment you mess with one of us, you've got the other 3 to deal with! It's that constant banter though, it's part of our culture and it's almost to the point the more we slag you off and take the mick, the more we like you. We're an odd wee bunch 😂

  • @Toenail2000
    @Toenail2000 ปีที่แล้ว +296

    The British are awesome and I’m an American 🇺🇸🇬🇧

    • @theog700
      @theog700 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      This is the first time I’ve seen a yank actually say good things about the UK. Cheers man🫡

    • @Switch8th
      @Switch8th 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      🇬🇧🤝🇺🇸

    • @howey935
      @howey935 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@theog700 I’ve seen lots of American’s praising the British special forces and they’re usually ex military who have worked with them. There’s a mutual respect from both sides and I for one am happy to have the U.S. as probably our closest allie.

    • @theog700
      @theog700 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@howey935 yes we are closest allies but on yt Americans normally talk down on us and start an argument lol

    • @damnthatscrazy9231
      @damnthatscrazy9231 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @theog700 tbf british people like to talk down to americans too

  • @Andy-mr8te
    @Andy-mr8te ปีที่แล้ว +198

    Gallows humour genuinely gets us Brits through the day.

    • @eriklarsson3188
      @eriklarsson3188 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The English way, it's just a massive part of their culture, same thing with their banter etc.

    • @overthewebb
      @overthewebb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@eriklarsson3188 British my Scandi friend, coming from a Scotsman

  • @haydentrudgill
    @haydentrudgill ปีที่แล้ว +506

    Gallows humour is a huge part of the Brits. There's so many war stories where they would make witty jokes in unbelievably dire situations. That, coupled with the confidence in your ability both independently and as a team is such a formidable force.

    • @nrkgalt
      @nrkgalt ปีที่แล้ว +23

      That is also in their literature. In A Tale of Two Cities, Charles Dickens wrote that the guillotine was a good way to relieve a headache.

    • @colonelturmeric558
      @colonelturmeric558 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Don’t forget the british tendency to understate things rather considerably

    • @haydentrudgill
      @haydentrudgill ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@colonelturmeric558Absolutely.

    • @P5YcHoM4N
      @P5YcHoM4N ปีที่แล้ว

      Gotta piss with the dick you got. No point stressing over a shitshow, just roll with it. I got nerve damage to my right eye from a head injury on my first deployment, on my last deployment I received another head injury. I would've been worried if the lads didn't come to check if it fixed my eye.

    • @naebhor6931
      @naebhor6931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very true. MIG teams have the same.

  • @ianmorris5501
    @ianmorris5501 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I love how there is BIG respect for the British SF. Especially from a former Navy Seal, Seals being also one of the most respected SF units in the world .☮️🇬🇧🇺🇸

  • @darbyheavey406
    @darbyheavey406 ปีที่แล้ว +256

    I’m a Yank but everything I see on the SAS/SBS impresses the hell out of me.

    • @As.11.11
      @As.11.11 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Sbs Sas are same level so Americans comparing them to marines or delta is a joke

    • @PortmanRd
      @PortmanRd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Whu? 🤔

    • @Daz759
      @Daz759 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@akhilShah-wu7pp calm down treacle

    • @timsutherland4033
      @timsutherland4033 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@As.11.11once again in English

    • @ablobfish5104
      @ablobfish5104 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@As.11.11this is a navy seal tho

  • @mac2626
    @mac2626 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    We will always be stronger together.🇬🇧🇺🇸

    • @MaryBradley-s3s
      @MaryBradley-s3s 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      not with Biden 😢

    • @liamjohnny335
      @liamjohnny335 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Presidents come n go...the people are the strength of a country...peace from UK 👍

  • @thomasb4152
    @thomasb4152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    The Commando Spirit: courage, determination, unselfishness and cheerfulness in the face of adversity.

  • @miken56
    @miken56 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Funniest guys I’ve ever met are special forces guys, funniest being a serving SAS guy that had us all in stitches about his recent Afghan deployment. Dry, dark humour that if spoken on the streets would probably get him sectioned because it was it’s a survival trait and around fellow squaddies it’s a moral boost.

    • @paul8161
      @paul8161 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks for sharing your funny story.

  • @markward3184
    @markward3184 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I used to be an expedition leader for young kids training to be cadets in the UK. We used to train on Dartmoor, replicating 35 & 45 milers with 25-30 hour cut offs. We'd meet Marines and members of the rifles on hikes and they'd have nothing but respect for the kids on the hikes.
    The British army trains on some of the most miserable terrain you've ever seen. It's wet, cold, exposed and bleak. It's hard to navigate, fog rolls in so hard to see, rivers swell so you can't pass, wind rips through so you get exposed. But you absolutely love it.
    No weather in the world will ever be worse than Dartmoor in February, yet there's no place you'd rather meet your enemy if you're in the British military.

    • @Sophie_Loves_all_animals
      @Sophie_Loves_all_animals หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Loved going on Dartmoor, one of a few places where in 24 hours you will get all seasons. Snow, rain, thunder and lightning, fog, sun etc. It really is one of the best places and very unique!

  • @jonathanlawrie552
    @jonathanlawrie552 ปีที่แล้ว +422

    The UK has the best Banter (FACTS)
    Genuinely could be in the middle of a tornado and be ripping the piss out the guy next to us.

    • @ned_1963
      @ned_1963 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Too right, mate! It's a skill we've adapted, if you can't laugh at a tornado, you may as well give up! 😂🇬🇧😂

    • @salahad-din4114
      @salahad-din4114 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I remember being hunched down behind a wall and the muckers telling our Sgt it better not be him that followed through when he farted, could hear the snap above our heads. Us all laughing in what had been a worrying situation

    • @newton18311
      @newton18311 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      One British guy stood on an IED in Afghanistan, Sadly it blew his foot off, The medic rushed to assist him , he was screaming, I have lost My foot, The medic said off the cuff, No mate its over there.

    • @themanwithnoname3636
      @themanwithnoname3636 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Better to laugh, than cry.

    • @briantilke
      @briantilke ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@salahad-din4114😅

  • @philmc4033
    @philmc4033 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    He’s not the first Seal to say this.

    • @Johnny-sj9sj
      @Johnny-sj9sj ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thanks buddy! 🇬🇧

    • @tokillthedragon
      @tokillthedragon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      who else has?

    • @BurnerTurner
      @BurnerTurner ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For sure lots of praise coming from guys like DJ Shipley and the likes as well.

    • @asnpirantjedi5015
      @asnpirantjedi5015 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tokillthedragonall of 'em

    • @prodigypenn
      @prodigypenn ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Nost SEALs are not at the same level as SBS. The US equivalent would be ST6

  • @Sir_Wanks_Alot
    @Sir_Wanks_Alot ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The SBS are true pioneers of maritime ops.
    For example they conceptualised the fast rope technique for boarding ships from helicopters. Traditional methods of being attached to a rope was deemed to be too slow leaving the team and the helicopter vulnerable. What they needed was a technique that got them on the deck quickly.
    One of their members tried it out using a pair of his wife’s gardening gloves and sliding down the rope in their gymnasium, and thus the fast rope concept was born.

    • @IO-zg8md
      @IO-zg8md 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rubbish. Abseiling, rappelling, etc has existed for centuries.

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@IO-zg8md🤡

    • @SteveKiberd
      @SteveKiberd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@IO-zg8md Wow are helicopters that old?

    • @iatsd
      @iatsd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fast roping was used by the SAS, Commandos, and NZ SAS in Malaya for jungle insertions from helicopters in the mid-1950's. SBS didn't invent it. Commandos (probably) did.

  • @blackcountryme
    @blackcountryme ปีที่แล้ว +132

    I had a friend who took a bucket and spade to the first gulf war... the bucket shaped like a castle... he would build the fu**ing things everywhere 😂😂

    • @budte
      @budte ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Hahaha. Brilliant.

    • @OnASeasideMission
      @OnASeasideMission ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Did someone tell him he was going on a...
      What do you call it...
      'Seaside' mission?🤔

    • @lukeysharp94
      @lukeysharp94 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Booooo​@@OnASeasideMission

    • @blackyout7824
      @blackyout7824 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Could just a imagine a random sand castle in between a firefight

    • @davidspence4564
      @davidspence4564 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Brilliant 😅

  • @Smog104
    @Smog104 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    There’s much admiration , love and respect between both 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇸

  • @roywalker2649
    @roywalker2649 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    SBS/SAS They just get on with the job!

    • @ianmedford4855
      @ianmedford4855 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      SAS- Surprisingly Average Soldier
      SBS- Significantly Better Soldier
      That one cracks me up... absolutely no idea if it reflects reality at all; but it's funny.

  • @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate
    @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate ปีที่แล้ว +387

    Cheers mate, it’s nice when the guys get some recognition. Even us old guys (RM & C Squadron, SBS 1978-2008) appreciate when other professional agencies appreciate what we’ve been up yo.

    • @probablynot879
      @probablynot879 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Thankyou for your service mate

    • @Charles-nc4zj
      @Charles-nc4zj ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Thank you for the service sir

    • @Charles-nc4zj
      @Charles-nc4zj ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Though I have to ask, how was the SAS and SBS rivalry settled during your time sir? I read in Duncan Falconers book that the SBS was underfunded during his time and he also said in his book that the SBS did not see action during the Malayan Emergency.

    • @MrDwightKSchrute
      @MrDwightKSchrute ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ask an employee of Dunder Mifflin can i thank you for your survive

    • @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate
      @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@MrDwightKSchrute We all appreciate it and the increasing public support, but you’ll notice that Brits tend to be reserved when it relates to a career that you volunteered for. It’s nice to be acknowledged by the public, but we’re still none too keen on our political masters being involved as they’re more dangerous than the enemy, even to the extent of them releasing the plan’s/timetable of an operation that had to be changed, irrespective of it being Northern Ireland, the Falklands, or both of the Gulf Wars, the Balkans, Iraq and Ghanners and most points on the compass!
      It reached a point that the Boss said he’d “have a chat” with any politician’s/media muppets should any of our squadron being maimed/killed following the release of information by politicians that were hoping to make a name fore themselves and they didn’t think about what they were doing (sociopath.narcissist behaviour) but they only thought of themselves.
      Never give politicians any information before the operation is under way - they’re so unworthy that we don’t trust them with the day of the week, yet if it helps to get their names in the news then that’s all they care about and the troops can get fecked. In a full on war they would rightly be in gaol, or better yet - shot/hung as traitors but not anymore.
      Sorry for the rant but it’s the anniversary of a particular incident and between the alcohol and opiates I’m not sure if I’m maintaining the degree of OpSec that’s expected! Thanks for putting up with my rant but I suspect you understand it better than most?!
      Take care and all the best,

  • @mikewinston8709
    @mikewinston8709 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The British army are taught in basic training to laugh at hardship; it’s only cold, it’s only wet, it’s only mud , the barracks heating has broken down, et cetera. It stays with you all your life. I’m 68, did my 22 years, It helps in all situations.

  • @aj-tp2yh
    @aj-tp2yh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Always Remember Never Forget Thankyou Britain

  • @user-ro2wg9ie6z
    @user-ro2wg9ie6z 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Don’t forgot the majority from Poole have a background from the Royal Marines, ranging from 3-10+ service before deciding to attempt UKSF selection. They genuinely are a cut above.

  • @salahad-din4114
    @salahad-din4114 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Had been in the British army, not any of the special forces. The greatest thing our military does is have us train in very diverse weather conditions from extremely hot areas such as Cyprus to the Scottish Highlands, Wales and Europe in winter months.
    The SBS and SAS are another level all together

    • @goodputin4324
      @goodputin4324 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cyprus is hot? 😂😂😂

  • @didgerb72
    @didgerb72 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I served 3 different times in the British Army. From Rear Eceholon MF (REMFE), lol. To Tier 2 63 SAS Sigs Sqn T.A. Those Tier 1 guys are just another level. We did elements of The selection as we had our own internal selection. Mindset is 1 million percent banter upbeat never quit attitude.
    I served 3 times as mentioned.
    1st time:
    June to Oct 88 (5 months) in Royal Artillery as a 16 yr old Junior Leader. I ruptured my Achilles tendon so either backsquad or rejoin at 17.5yrs. So reinlisted in 89 as Adult (Regulars) entrant.
    2nd time:
    03/01/90 to 14/03/93 (3yrs) in Royal Corps of Transport. As a Mariner (Army Maritime trade title). As a Deckhand/Nav, on Army Landing Craft and Mexeflote rafts etc. Attached to 3rd Commando Brigade RM.
    3rd time:
    02 to 04 in A Troop 63 SAS Royal Signals Sqn T.A. Unfortunately I broke my back doing a charity parachute jump on a weekend off from SAS Signals pre Selection in March 03. I went on the June 03 summer selection. Unaware I had broken it. Miracle I made it as far as I did. All part of my 29yr ongoing physical and mental chronic and acute health battles. I'm still battling a 30yr ongoing multiple degenerative physical and mental chronic and acute health battles. Which back then It was hard to prove.As my gp was crap.22 yr battle to get the prove. So a few months after my 5th Spinal Op in Nov 2014. So in 2015, I wrote a letter to 63 Sqn OC. I mentioned my journey (my then battle, as still on going), with what my health battles were etc. So I apologised for wasting their time. I got an amazing reply from the Adjutant from the 18 Sigs SF Regt. That was formed in 2005 along, with other newly formed Tier 2 units. SFSG, SRR, 63 SAS Sigs Sqn, other units etc. He said considering how far I got before my body gave out. I would've passeed without the injury. Plus mentioned my mindset was like a tier 1. As he said my attitude was so positive considering what I was facing (At time of writing this in July 2023. I have so much more issues than I had then. However I still live with the same attitude that keeps me going.I have a multiple degenerative, physical and mental, chronic and acute, unbearable health battles, to face without respite. My current pain score is 21 out of 10 pain!!
    My Physical Chronic Issues Are:
    My Severe Degenerative - Spinal Stenosis Disease, Sciatica - that feels like I'm dipped in it from the waist down, to the souls of both feet! Also a formerly Acute-now Chronic boderline Thoirid issue.
    My Mental Chronic Issues Are:
    My OCD, PTSD, Aspergers, Anxiety, Depression, Stress. Possibly ADHD.
    My Acute Health Issues Are:
    Then there are My Acute issues. That started 2 yrs before Covid around Nov 2018. Resulting into - All delayed Acute consultations, and surgeries, which are still at present - mostly untreated. My left hip is out of position, and needs replacing. . My right knee is also in need of replacing. I had two abcesses finally removed in 2023..But they affected 7 Teeth, that caused sporadic pain in ear, head and neck. They finally removed 6 teeth, in mid 2022. The 7th broke Dec 2022, which is still broken in my mouth, along with an 8th broken tooth. Plus possible Gallstones with blood in urine and painful.
    All the above pain with no respite.
    I Still wont ever let it beat me though.
    . So my short time with UKSF. I met remarkable guys,, that were awesome mentors.
    My mottos which are proudly tattooed next to my Army tattoos are:
    "Forward Forever - Backwards Never. Progress Not Perfection. Adapt & Overcome. Never Give Up Or In".
    "Be comfortable with being uncomfortable".
    I won't ever let it best me though.x

    • @goodputin4324
      @goodputin4324 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hope you recover from your back ailment 😢

    • @mountainbearoutdoors
      @mountainbearoutdoors 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what an absolute crock of shit, you would have struggled at parcel force let alone sf, feckin walt.

    • @RoxOutdoors
      @RoxOutdoors 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know it’s a long time since this vid was uploaded, I’ve only just came across is but as a former remf myself I have the urge to just say: cheers dits 😂

    • @didgerb72
      @didgerb72 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@RoxOutdoorsbro even us Remfs served with pride. The teeth arm units get all the glory and rightly so. But without our backup and support they can't stay in the fight long without our resupply drops etc. The machine of war is full of multiple cogs and links. The weakest to the strongest, are all vital. Without the cogs being oiled then the machine breaks down. Remfs are that oil, are that food, are that ammo, are the tool that keeps the machine running. The teeth arms blaze a path into battle. We help them to maintain that momentum. Etc.
      Of course we get banter from them teeth arm units, but we give as good as they get lol.
      Total respect to the US Military.

    • @RoxOutdoors
      @RoxOutdoors หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@didgerb72 preaching to the choir brother 😂

  • @Grayman58
    @Grayman58 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This British banter and positive attitude has been with us since WW2 also its the way we grew up do the job and getting on with it

  • @Steveb7281
    @Steveb7281 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    If you're going to complain as a Brit you must complain in a funny manner and finish off by laughing at how shit your situation is

    • @leedave9314
      @leedave9314 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly that!

    • @davidhardie5644
      @davidhardie5644 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well said

    • @thatonebritishidiot3037
      @thatonebritishidiot3037 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      or in the most bitingly sarcastic fashion possible

  • @Carl15O3
    @Carl15O3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Seen this documentary on the Royal Marines fighting in Afghan once. To improve morale they would dress in ridiculous outfits while they were not on active duty. So a few guys came out in dresses n huge sun hats. Next thing a number of taliban started attacking the base so without even thinking twice, grabbed their rifles and took positions to lay down fire. Imagine the taliban firing back thinking who the hell are we up against here? Hilarious.

  • @liamjoyce7831
    @liamjoyce7831 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    If that doesn’t settle it for you, nothing will. Coming from the Royal Navy, seeing and knowing the RM, then having some rare interactions with the SBS, you know you are in very safe, very capable hands.

    • @ssgtomen621
      @ssgtomen621 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      DEVGRU is more comparable. In all honesty, I'm not at all surprise SBS having a slight edge over vanila teams. But whatever.

    • @robocop3961
      @robocop3961 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ssgtomen621yeah what ever the f*ck ever! F*ck outa here with your B.S!!!

  • @phatphung7154
    @phatphung7154 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is what makes elite military units so effective at what they do. They never ever believe in the BS that is created about them.
    They can honestly be critical about themselves and see who can do things better. Then copy and improve on what they've learned.

  • @treds75
    @treds75 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Proud to be British knowing me and my kids can sleep at night thanks to these guys

    • @bushwhackeddos.2703
      @bushwhackeddos.2703 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The dinghies are arriving daily.

    • @85481
      @85481 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bushwhackeddos.2703 you scared of them pal? you should be. they're after your very way of life!
      (they aren't you melt)

    • @alex-E7WHU
      @alex-E7WHU 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@bushwhackeddos.2703 true enough. Don't forget though, our politicians are prodding the Russian bear on behalf of American corporations and their shareholders. If I were an immigrant I'd look elsewhere for safety, this place is heading for a disaster.

    • @alex-E7WHU
      @alex-E7WHU 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@85481 you saying they aren't a danger to life...? Pretty delusional.

  • @user-fq7tt4wr2q
    @user-fq7tt4wr2q 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Fair play for his honesty 👏

  • @farmerned6
    @farmerned6 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    nothing better than an honest British tommy.Gets shit all the time but when the chips are down will smile, pick his gear up and head back in to the fray. some of my best years when i was serving. the mates the banter !

  • @Bellend361
    @Bellend361 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Banter and making tea no matter what’s happening to you.🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @TheVCAwards
    @TheVCAwards ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Most of the SBS come from the Royal marines and one of their core values is cheerfulness in the face of adversity. This is an important character trait because it lifts up the team when times get tough but at this point I don't thing there's much difference between the US/UK special forces in terms of skill. We've just been doing it longer so it's easier to look back at our culture and ops the old boys went on and think if they managed to do x in y conditions then there's no reason we can't pull through now

  • @WAKE-UP-BRITAIN
    @WAKE-UP-BRITAIN ปีที่แล้ว +86

    SAS/SBS side by side with the U.S elite special forces is an unstoppable force, I'm sure our SAS would have the same views on recognising areas of expertise 🇬🇧🇺🇲✌

    • @colinmcclymont
      @colinmcclymont ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nah brits well better

    • @mussolini.axis.5705
      @mussolini.axis.5705 ปีที่แล้ว

      💯

    • @elitegroup7461
      @elitegroup7461 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The US forces have a $700 billion dollar a year budget. Don’t ever forgot that. Stay humble.

    • @WAKE-UP-BRITAIN
      @WAKE-UP-BRITAIN ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@elitegroup7461 🤡👈💯

    • @happyapple4269
      @happyapple4269 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@elitegroup7461it goes into the trillions if you add R&D into the equation.

  • @JohnMoore-xf5wy
    @JohnMoore-xf5wy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Worked with an ex SAS guy in UN food relief in Sudan in 1989.
    He was First Rate!

  • @gussampson5029
    @gussampson5029 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Brits are by far are best allies and one of the few that I'd be willing to use American lives to defend. There's really only Canada and Australia, maybe Poland on that list. But the UK is definitely #1.
    Her Majesty having the national anthem played after 9/11 still tugs my heartstrings. And Tony Blair, despite his many many faults, will always have a special place in my heart for having our backs completely.
    🇺🇸 ❤️🤍💙 🇬🇧

    • @chongxina8288
      @chongxina8288 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I remember as a Brit going to school after 911. We had minute silences every day for about 2 weeks. Not a single person broke a single silence. It was somber for awhile. New York might as well have been London. Cousins is the best way to describe the relationship between the US and UK. If somebody attacks your cousin what will you do? We knew we were at war. Being young I thought it could be coming to my street. At the very least we knew we’d be sending a lot of our guys. But it was without question.
      I remember getting off school at 3:30pm and my step dad picked me up and said “America is on fire!” I was massively annoyed that he couldn’t explain to me what that means, being my sisters birthday we went to an electronics shop to pick up her sound system she wanted, guess what was on all the TVs on the walls. 😮 I could easily forgive Americans for not realising how much that day shook the world. You’d have to see it to believe it. Never seen anything like it.

    • @JustDaniel6764
      @JustDaniel6764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Shoulder to shoulder my brother.
      🇬🇧🇺🇸

    • @concise707
      @concise707 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oooohhh! Going so well until you mentioned the despicable Tony Blair.......

    • @gussampson5029
      @gussampson5029 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@concise707 I know... I've learned much more about him since those carefree days of yore. But he made Britain feel like a solid ally of the US and for that I'll always appreciate him.

    • @concise707
      @concise707 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gussampson5029 I genuinely appreciate your underlying feelings and thank you warmly for your kind words, but save your sympathies for more deserving causes than that self-serving charlatan and blackguard, Blair. He is, justifiably, now despised by a large segment of our nation for leading us into a war on the premise of lies, deceit and deception that has irrevocably tarnished the UK's reputation internationally. But I reciprocate the 'good vibes' generated in this thread. 👍🤝

  • @paulblundellfilm
    @paulblundellfilm ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Never complain, never explain

    • @tubefreakmuva
      @tubefreakmuva 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good attitude

    • @garthwick19
      @garthwick19 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mmm. British soldiers including SF do plenty of complaining. But it has to be funny. It's called bumping.

  • @alexiskiri9693
    @alexiskiri9693 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Britain has been playing this game a long time. Remember, they are, historically, the largest empire that ever walked the earth. Read a history book. They didn't get there by complaining.

  • @tonyBobb5209
    @tonyBobb5209 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I served in RM Poole as 148bty. Great memories parachuting into the sea with SBS and navy seals when we visited Camp Pendleton. Great banter on both sides of the pond. Oh and one thing I learnt in America on my second jump in mid air I was told to use the toggles on the USMC parachutes, this helped prevent me crashing when landing on solid ground haha! Unlike the UK parachutes, you have to climb the rig lines. Great memories.

  • @garethwigglesworth8187
    @garethwigglesworth8187 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    With British know how and American firepower we will be family forever

  • @user-if6bx1gq5w
    @user-if6bx1gq5w 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well I mean, we did invent modern warfare tactics and had the largest empire in history and at one point owned 24% of the planet so you know, you’d kinda expect us to be pretty good at it. 🇬🇧

  • @newton18311
    @newton18311 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thankfully they are on Our side.

  • @MrBCAM
    @MrBCAM 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    They are both phenomenal fighting forces 💪

  • @olo2539
    @olo2539 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Mud. SAS trainees live in mud for 6 weeks in Wales, non stop rain and non stop running with full gear, the distance to run increasing every day, after that you start appreciating just not moving

  • @norahdenovan8658
    @norahdenovan8658 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you sir for that as a Brit who is so very proud of our forces 👏👏👏👍

  • @TRS-Tech
    @TRS-Tech 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Our special forces in the UK have a lot of pride in the job. Just like all our armed services do 👍

  • @christopherstenton2745
    @christopherstenton2745 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Best special forces in the world...

    • @testbooster
      @testbooster ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agreed!!!

    • @atae7185
      @atae7185 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re both forgetting about the RAF reg!

    • @derekgreenwood396
      @derekgreenwood396 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@atae7185hahahahah 😂

    • @goodputin4324
      @goodputin4324 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not SF, but SOF

    • @dukejohnson1956
      @dukejohnson1956 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m a delta fanboy but don’t really know enough to form an accurate opinion

  • @MaryBradley-s3s
    @MaryBradley-s3s ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We do have Summers here. Hot sun and drought too. But the best think is Our Humour is what gets us through.

  • @JohnMoore-xf5wy
    @JohnMoore-xf5wy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Worked with a lot of Brits Third World.
    Their humor is unbeatable!

  • @dirkdiggler3605
    @dirkdiggler3605 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    RIP Scruff McGough ⚓️🇬🇧👍🏻

  • @robinwatters572
    @robinwatters572 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm British and am biased but it's good to hear a Seal give his appreciation. Cheers mate!

  • @vendeux
    @vendeux ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One important cultural difference between UK and US is that in the UK we have a very grim and vulgar sense of humour, the protagonist is is the butt of every joke and can never do anything right. In the US the general culture is far more upbeat, idealist and the humour is obvious where the protagonist is a hot shot always saying the perfect line at the perfect moment. I've heard the ptsd rate between British and American soldiers being notably different because of this difference in culture and outlook. Basic take away, British people are quietly miserable and joke about how awful everything is. Lol

    • @marcwindle7
      @marcwindle7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a vet I can agree with this once I took A SSGT how lost a leg for his physio and a lad with no legs in a wheel chair comes up and calls him paper cut 😂😂

  • @jonevansauthor
    @jonevansauthor 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Having seen what SEALS put up with in their selection I've gotta say, they've got a great attitude far beyond us mere mortals. All kidding aside, when you hear these guys speak about each other there's a lot of respect.

  • @nyrvash
    @nyrvash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As I’ve been told by my friend who is a seal, SBS are all the same, guys calm as a cucumber ready to put you and your pals in a body bag. Seals are a mix, stone cold tier 1 operators but mixed with guys who shouldn’t be there and are more “recon” oriented

    • @jamesevans938
      @jamesevans938 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      only seal team 6 are tier one the rest are tier 2 and 3

  • @JasonTKilkennyboxinfo
    @JasonTKilkennyboxinfo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much I’m from uk. I think you are both fantastic and love the seals. We fight together and you are are brothers and we love you.

  • @IKB28513
    @IKB28513 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The SBS are unreal. They’re mostly Royal Marines anyways with their training, so you know you’re getting a high quality soldier. Some of them are mountain leaders, and people don’t realise what that entails, but they’re very professional. I’d put them at number one just for their training plus the swimmer canoeist aspect too.

    • @qp4367
      @qp4367 ปีที่แล้ว

      mountain leaders?

    • @danpearce4547
      @danpearce4547 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@qp4367 Yeah, they're so hard they swim up mountains!

  • @Swans_And_Ducks
    @Swans_And_Ducks หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They don’t have to be, we’re brothers ❤️ from 🇬🇧

  • @selwynhingston9484
    @selwynhingston9484 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    SAS and SBS pro's all day

  • @hachimanjiro
    @hachimanjiro 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cheerfulness in Adversity.Courage. Determination. Unselfishness (I know it comes from RMC but still has the same ethos)

  • @mjhartstoppers6685
    @mjhartstoppers6685 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    That's British humour for you Bro.

  • @jasonleon1976
    @jasonleon1976 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great insight and very humble.
    One thing i remember working alongside the yanks, banter aside. There was huge mutual respect on both sides.

  • @dadams1437
    @dadams1437 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    There certainly isn't as much drama in SBS as there is in NSWF

  • @argyllbaker
    @argyllbaker 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All military serving, are the bees knees, thank you for your service

  • @frodej6640
    @frodej6640 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The percentage of population that become SAS/SBS is far lower than those for Seal. And the Seal has competition from god knows who.

  • @karenrhoads1598
    @karenrhoads1598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome that such good statements were so honestly given....true brotherhood ❤️

  • @soggytatty3845
    @soggytatty3845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In WW1 a german soldiers bottom half had been ran over by a tank i believe, he was apparantly bloated with his guts hanging out, an English soldier walked over and put a smoking pipe in his mouth and told him to get up. We use humor as a coping mechanism

  • @thomasshepard6030
    @thomasshepard6030 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The British military have been at this shit for a long long long time

  • @parkin8595
    @parkin8595 ปีที่แล้ว

    A true operator admits. Hats off to you sir for your service and honesty.

  • @testbooster
    @testbooster ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Read the book "First into Action" by Duncan Falconer youngest guy to ever complete SBS selection, great read!!!!

    • @Sidney1WG
      @Sidney1WG ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I read that recently mate. Crazy life story.

    • @vitigaymer1053
      @vitigaymer1053 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe he was the only dude(or was one of two) who got into the SBS straight out of Basic Training.
      Really interesting account of a UK SF Operator.

    • @deckearns
      @deckearns ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you for this suggestion. I have just bought it and currently reading. I'm only a few pages in and already I'm gripped.

  • @teslataxi4546
    @teslataxi4546 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Some" British people have to best sense of humour of anybody in the world.

  • @odrs
    @odrs 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That’s a tier 1 vs tier 2 unit lmao give me a break

  • @minigrande1939
    @minigrande1939 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We have a saying in the UK "you can lose everything but you will always have your sense of humour"

  • @jonah406
    @jonah406 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    That’s because we don’t create robots who simply follow orders, we let our soldiers think for themselves

    • @alextv293
      @alextv293 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Aye, initiative is encouraged not discouraged

    • @Brasil942
      @Brasil942 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You British can’t say thank you can you?

    • @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate
      @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Brasil942 For what? You need to provide some context to your comment if you expect an answer, but hopefully it’s not another expectation of saying “thank you” because you were late for bothe World Wars? Perhaps you should check your history and your own country’s history of reneging on deals which were supposed to be a two way street of research and development, but when it came to it suddenly the American government was as trustworthy as Russia!
      Both countries were given for free, the R&D for jet engines as well as some of the latest jet engines along with the manufacturing techniques and the metallurgy to cope with the temperatures. The agreement was that further research,testing etc was to be shared and whilst the Russians ignored the idea, it was something of a shock when American officials were just as bad. Same for RADAR (as described by Arthur C. Clarke as he was involved in improving the accuracy, capabilities and reliability in a smaller package so it could be used in the new jet powered aircraft.
      Would you like us to thank you for going back on your agreement (again? which seems to be something of an consistent theme going on?
      In a similar manner to the German Enigma machines with Hollywood Pictures trying to push revisionist history about American submariners/sub hunters forcing the sub to surface and grab the latest Enigma machine with all the code books!
      All nice escapism but too many people are so ignorant of history that they accept these fairytales as true and as we all know, repeat a lie/revise history often enough it becomes accepted as fact.
      But sadly it’s just one of those things that are regularly done - litigation against anyone who might have come up with a better solution but can’t patent it in America because just like that overly pompous Thomas Edison gets undeserved credit for things he never did but he was an expert at playing the system to his own credit, then had the hubris to claim an invention was his, his intellectual property rights but without any evidence of his R&D. Must be nice to be friends with people in the patent office that would mysteriously predate the date of the true inventor.

    • @Brasil942
      @Brasil942 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate i men’s you britânicos think that you do whatever you want it’s not cool and the faceted you stole out gold from country is dick move from and Portugal

    • @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate
      @Lord_Ronin_The_Compassionate ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@dukebonde which country’s military would you be referring to? A lot of the American military training was based around the Prussian “follow orders without question” model but not entirely as there are some differences depending upon the branch.
      The UK has had its own version but its more akin to “follow orders but use your own judgement if the local conditions couldn’t be known by the brass” which is fine for for the army and air force, but not for navy or the RM Commandos. The latter are very different in approach and are expected to use their initiative so long as they achieve the objectives.
      I found that most of the European military are somewhere between the Prussian model or if you prefer, the American model and the British Army model. It probably stems from the hundreds of years we’ve been fighting each other so it’s not too surprising that each would learn the best bit’s from the other.
      [veteran RM Commando Officer 1978-2006, incl several years C Squadron, SBS]

  • @mikeycraig8970
    @mikeycraig8970 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Watching this from Bournemouth, just up the road from Poole.

  • @willm687
    @willm687 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Shows Aussie 2nd commandos nice one mate

    • @rossdawson5575
      @rossdawson5575 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      To be fair the Australians have the same training

    • @rossdawson5575
      @rossdawson5575 ปีที่แล้ว

      @AsgardianTimeLordJedi funnily enough I was working in the centre off Edinburgh today (the international festival is on) and commented that the Australian tourists are more than welcome to come any time. Nothing but helpful, polite and a smile

  • @beefy8269
    @beefy8269 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think a large part of the attitude is based in the sure and certain knowledge that somebody is going to attempt to fuck up your day either reasons of necessity or just for the malicious joy of seeing you suffer. Once you accept that fact you can laugh at anything

  • @Michael-xg5gn
    @Michael-xg5gn ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow that's such a great accolade to hear from another specialist

  • @YernaMean365
    @YernaMean365 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm from the UK and i am so proud of our army in all departments i am also seriously impressed with the us forces because without each other we would be in a very bad place... peace and love

  • @Sidney1WG
    @Sidney1WG ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember many a time during my service where humour was the answer to everything. There were ocassions on operational tours when we laughed so much, I literally though that if we had a contact at that very moment we would have been useless because we laughed so much. We had a saying that probably still exists today. "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined!"

  • @heretic9344
    @heretic9344 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The SBS are the equivalent of DEVGRU. They’re held to the same standard as the SAS, as their selection process is identical. The training after selection differs slightly, but about 90% of what they do is the same as the SAS. Compare the SBS to DEVGRU, no any other SEAL team. Navy SEALS are recruited from the civilian population. UKSF are selected from the already serving military service personnel. There’s a big difference.

  • @cab6273
    @cab6273 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the British talent for understate. They can be facing a screaming hoard, outnumbered 100 to 1, and still turn to their mate and say, "Well, this is a sticky wicket."

  • @SypherXIII
    @SypherXIII 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Banter keeps you sharp

  • @GarethEdwards-oj7qh
    @GarethEdwards-oj7qh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Most Special Boat Service selected are former Royal Marine Commandos, there mantra is as follows “The Commando Values - Excellence, Integrity, Self Discipline and Humility. The Commando Spirit - Courage, Determination, Unselfishness and Cheerfulness in the face of adversity!
    In other words they keep there spirits up and find a way no matter what shit there in!

    • @adods9824
      @adods9824 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Their

    • @adods9824
      @adods9824 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They're

  • @gavinsperring9261
    @gavinsperring9261 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    We suffer we don't show it. British stiff upper lip. 😁🇬🇧🇺🇸

  • @qbenziz5075
    @qbenziz5075 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All those guys are special humans hopefully they will save us

  • @neilt1889
    @neilt1889 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The SAS/SBS may not have the best equipment but we just get the job done !!

    • @avarvar8102
      @avarvar8102 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who said they don’t have the best equipment?

    • @camefaceh8380
      @camefaceh8380 ปีที่แล้ว

      They have fucking class equipment, this myth needs to die.

    • @vilhjj
      @vilhjj ปีที่แล้ว

      ... no matter which unit you serve in, every unit in the world has this exact same sentiment lol

  • @TheJon2442
    @TheJon2442 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If it ain't raining, it ain't training. If it's not snowing, I am not going!

  • @johnmcgrail8781
    @johnmcgrail8781 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The British special forces are the best in the world 🌎
    Fact

  • @keithjackson4985
    @keithjackson4985 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's good to hear him say this. I've lived long enough not to care who says, " We're so tough. We're so bad!" You very well may be? But the situation is coming where you will be humbled.

  • @first--class
    @first--class ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GOD SAVE THE QUEEN ❤

    • @lynnm6413
      @lynnm6413 ปีที่แล้ว

      you didn't install the latest update 😅

    • @first--class
      @first--class ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lynnm6413 I still like to say God save the queen because I am a British Man 🤣 I just grew up with that as my national anthem and thats how it will stay for me 🤣😫😫😫🤣🤣🤣

    • @first--class
      @first--class ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lynnm6413 your channel is great 👍

    • @lynnm6413
      @lynnm6413 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@first--class I don't have a channel ? 🤔

    • @lynnm6413
      @lynnm6413 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@first--class Yeah, probably takes time getting used to...
      I'd have guessed the Monarchy would be done after the Queen dies, but not yet?

  • @kestrels-in-the-sky
    @kestrels-in-the-sky 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Us brits have two modes
    1) moaning constantly this is reserved for within families or dead inside hospitality industry work
    2) constant jokes and banter for everybody else

  • @ej5376
    @ej5376 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love it when an American admits it. As, the average American isn’t aware of the SAS, so they just assume because America is the most powerful country on Earth that their soldiers are better. I get it, but it’s great hearing it from an American Special Forces Warrior

  • @altaylor3988
    @altaylor3988 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your honesty ... took a lot of courage on your behalf... Cheers Mate

  • @douglasduran9020
    @douglasduran9020 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What’s with the rainbow writings 😂

    • @FORTISWARRIORS
      @FORTISWARRIORS  ปีที่แล้ว

      What?

    • @Thee_Penguin
      @Thee_Penguin ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you actually serious?!

    • @douglasduran9020
      @douglasduran9020 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thee_Penguin it's a farken joke that's why. Pride month? Give me a farken break

    • @Thee_Penguin
      @Thee_Penguin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@douglasduran9020 No it wasn't a joke, you just guilty because you've been called out 😉

    • @douglasduran9020
      @douglasduran9020 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thee_Penguin yeah nah mate, all this woke bullshit, pandering to minority groups. Why can’t they just live their lives and leave the rest of us alone. And before you go off, I have a niece and nephew that are both gay. And like others, they don’t agree with this crap.