Coming from a North supporter 2016 was rough. Yeah we go 9-0 but not only do we win only 3 more games but we lost Boomer, Petrie, Firrito, Dal Santo retiring but Wells also moving to Collingwood. Tough Year 2016
Losing Higgins and Brown in later seasons, alongside no trading luck whatsoever destroyed the leadership of the team, hence why we have no captain awaiting today.
It pissed me off how Wells played nearly a full season at North in 2016 and then only played a handful of games the next few years at the Pies. It would've been so nice having Wells, Moore and Dunn available for the 2018 GF.
I remember that 2016 season as a north fan and I remember being happy halfway through the season just to choke to barely make the 8 and begin a rebuild we are still in today
2014 Collingwood. After 8 straight seasons of finals including a premiership, they started the season with a 70 point thrashing to the hands of Fremantle, luckily they bounced back and at the halfway point of the season they were 8-3 sitting in 4th. Collingwood's second half of the season wasn't so great, going 3-8, finishing the season in 11th at 11-11.
2016 was so hurtful. The highest I've ever seen north finish in my life is 4th (2007) and I don't even remember it. Seeing North go 9-0 was surreal, I felt like North was actually gonna do something in my lifetime. Then the injuries to key players and tougher opponents suddenly came along and that essentially ruined the club for me. I will never be optimistic or get excited from a good start ever again, because I know we will always find a way to blow it.
Watched them win 96, 99 GF, on tv I'm in the West, was the best years, Pagan coaching Carey, Corey Mc, glad I got to see that era also the night premiership when it was actually a decent competition, unlike the pre season shit show that it is today
Fitzroy 1993 were hovering around the top 6, having beaten North, the Eagles at home, and Carlton the eventual grand finalists. Alaister Lynch was kicking arse. They fell away though, and never came close again until they folded/merged at the end of 96. There's a little history lesson for you Riles from an old guy who grew up watching 90's football lol.
A famous one from the VFL era is 1965 Melbourne, coming off as reigning premiers (and 11 consecutive finals series for 6 flags) went 8-0 to start the season, famously sacked their coach Norm Smith (only to reinstate him) and then only won 2 more matches to slump to 7th with a 10-8 record. It would then be 23 years before they played finals again.
I remember Hawthorn were undefeated after 8 rounds in early 2000s and then only won prob 3 more for the year and missed the finals. This was pre-Clarkeson and Crawford was at his peak.
Port Adelaide 1997, went from 8/5 in third spot at round 13, looking to make finals in their very first year, to 10/11 and 1 draw, barely missing out on percentage in 9th spot.
Thx for another great video riles, as a Saints fan I reckon we should’ve been in the video for our 2022 season, it was just how many we lost after the bye and the record we had at the bye (8-3) then to only win 3 more games. We should’ve played finals cos in the end it was either a win+percentage or 2 wins. We should’ve bet port, which was a loss, we should’ve bet Brisbane in round 22, that is just naming a few there were heaps more that we should’ve won
@BadgerFromOz cool my apologies, trying to sound smart and just sounded dumb 👍, tbh I'm a 22 year front row centre wing member for the Eagles and found it very hard to get into the footy this year....what a shit year.....my memories are purposely hazy
if carlton didn't take the spotlight last year, st kilda's collapse would need to be on this list beating the eventual premiers just before the bye to only winning 3 more games after the bye it was a huge collapse
Norths in 2016 was more than just an easy draw early, with impressive early wins against Adelaide and the eventual premiers the Dogs there was a clear difference in the way they were playing in the first half of the season vs the second half. It was more a lack of depth that got exposed when injuries hit, Waite was pretty much the best player in the comp in the first part of the season, Goldstein hurt his knee and wouldn't get anywhere near his best again until probably 2018, Ben Jacobs was crucial to Norths success in that era and missed most of the year, Higgins missed much of the season as well.
Melbourne in the mid 00s i think it was 2004 could be wrong but midway ish through the season we were first on the ladder only to lose every game for the rest of the year including the first final At the time the team was training at the junction oval which didnt even have goal posts
As a north fan I was happy with our 9 and 0 start in 2016 I was thinking we could go deep in finals and possibly win the flag as well but when we only won three games from that season and then we lost Boomer and firrito and Petrie and dal santo all retiring and we also lost Daniel wells in free agency to the pies it was a tough year for north to lose in finals to the crows
Geelong Cats in 1999. Won the first 5 games, lost the next 9 games between rounds 6 to 15 and finally won in round 16. They got their season on the right path towards the end but had to have a large string of wins in order to make the finals. Lost against Hawthorn in Round 21 in a 22 round season and they missed out on Finals by 1 win difference between 8th to 10th teams.
North still did play finals in 2016 but finished 8th in a season where was probably the most even top 8 in recent memory they were just making the numbers after looking so promising
2018 made me genuinely give up on footy. 2017 was painful enough for us Port fans, but to start the year 11 - 4 and be in the top 4 in round 19 and yet somehow finish 10th? I only turned the footy back on mid 2020 because there was nothing else to do in lockdown not because we we're actually playing well
Yooo, g'day, Mr Riles. I definitely remember the 2010 Brisbane (4-0), the 2012 Essendon (8-1), the 2016 North Melbourne (9-0), the 2018 Port Adelaide (11-4) and the 2022 Carlton (9-3) all having shocking finishes to a season. I never knew that the 1999 Geelong team missed the finals after a 5-0 start. I also never knew that the 2005 Richmond missed the finals after a 7-2 start. Premiers on those mentioned years are the 1999 Kangaroos (35-point win over Carlton), the 2005 Sydney (4-point win over West Coast), the 2010 Collingwood (drawn original GF with St Kilda before thrashing the Saints by 56 points in the Replay), the 2012 Sydney (10-point win over Hawthorn), the 2016 Bulldogs (22-point win over Sydney), the 2018 West Coast (5-point win over Collingwood) and the 2022 Geelong (81-point win over Sydney). I can't believe I'm typing this up at 2:05am AWST.
Alright I don't really wanna make a whole thing of this but I have to correct some of your points on the 2012 Bombers. First and foremost the original and uncorrupted official ruling for the Essendon supplements saga was that there was inconclusive evidence of doping and the sanctions handed down to the club were for a failure of governance and bringing the game into disrepute. After those findings from the independent board of lawyers put together by the league, WADA, embarrassed by sticking their nose into a case for the first time in history and have it thrown out, then decided to put together its own board which was made up of its own employees to review the case which is where the 2nd guilty verdict came from. The guilty verdict was reached with the only evidence to back it up was the word "Thymosin" written down once in a 120+ page document. The club was therefore convicted of using the not yet banned in 2012 Thymosin Beta 4, but the fact is most clubs use Thymosin Alpha as a steroid to help players recover from injuries such as broken bones. While all this was happening by the way ASADA was running a deliberate smear campaign by letting the public believe Jobe Watson had admitted to taking the substance which was under investigation, it wasn't until years after he did that interview that ASADA said that what Jobe admitted to taking, AOD-9604, was not a banned substance, but by then the entire country had already labelled the club as cheats. Multiple Essendon players were randomly drug tested throughout the 2012 season and preseason with not one positive result recorded. There is also data that measured the fitness levels of all players across the league and Essendon in 2012 did not make a significant jump upwards in terms of physical fitness, in fact there were several teams that had much bigger leaps from the season before.
That north collapse was bs in 2016. People wrote off north as having an easy draw.... they beat the bulldogs in that 9 game run at the start you know... the premiers? After that They lost to the swans by 4 goals and 2 goals, lost to reigning premiers Hawks by 9 points, lost to dogs a second time by 2 goals. Does that sound like a collapse? They lost Higgins, wells, dal Santo, Waite, Goldstein played with a hurt knee and other injuries meant the second half of the year they couldn't field their best 22 at any point post round 6. I counted at one point 9 starting 22 out in the middle of the year. You can't win with that many players out. Take 9 of any teams best 22 out and see how they go. People will say "oh but the dogs had injuries that year, yes but a few here and there not almost half their team out for most of the middle part of the year, but even then, they were gone by the end of the year but the bye got them back 5-6 players and they had their golden final run. North had no real depth after that 22 I agree 100% but I maintain to this day if that team stayed healthy, they absolutely had a real chance.
@Soussy they played the other top 8 teams missing multiple key players and none of the games were blow-outs except the final when they were cooked. Richmond, West Coast and Melbourne all had almost no Injuries in their premiership years, you think they would have won if half their team were missing for half the season?
@Soussy Still salty that the Bulldogs beat the Eagles over in Perth? Or did the umpires win that match for them too, even though the margin was near enough to 8 goals?
Could you say the 2008 Cats or the 2017 Crows had a season collapse? I reckon that deserves a mention, Cats won 23 games in 2008 (including the qualifier and preliminary final) only to lose by a 3rd place Hawthorn in the grand final. And we all know what happened in 2017 to Adelaide
Crows are a good shout, this video only featured single season collapses, but yeah still a good one. For me the 2008 cats was more of a choke then a collapse, losing that GF that they should've won.
@@darrenmiles-morland8038 Yeah, from memory, at the end, Geelong lost two games for the year (including GF obviously) and Hawthorn only lost four. Or else it was 3 Geel 5 Haw. Geelong fans think it was a "collapse" because they beat Hawks twice in H&A (close games) and were the most over-confident of any fans I'd ever seen in any season.
Inexperience is the reason why Carlton cannot be considered a genuine flag contender in 2023, even if they make the finals and even if they finish the home and away season inside the top 4. History shows that no team within at least the past 40 seasons or more has come straight into the finals after a long finals absence and won a premiership without first tasting finals heartache in at least one finals series. Premierships are won through experiencing finals heartache.
Melbourne 1965. They had won 6 of the previous 10 premierships and sat 8-0 in 1965. They finished 10-8 and missed the finals. That's up there. If you make a video titled Biggest Season Collapes EVER, you need to do a bit more research on the past.
Great suggestion man, but since it’s an AFL video I just do from 1990 onwards, unless I have it as AFL/VFL. Also I didn’t want to have the video too long, might do a part 2 in the future.
No proof of doping. Shit affair for every fan and for the game as a whole but it wasnt proven and thats just a fact. A few teams were linked to dank and the weapon afterwards and no one said shit because it benefited them. But anyone that went through that as a fan wouldnt sit there and condemn another team yet again without fact.
Carlton didn't need to win against the pies, all they had to do was draw. If they did they would of been versing the pies again in an elimination final.
This list is incomplete without Carlton last year
Yeah..... :(
Carlton 2022 season was his last team in this video.
@@l214laus yeah... we watched the same video
*This list is complete with Carlton last year
Did you watch the video?
Coming from a North supporter 2016 was rough. Yeah we go 9-0 but not only do we win only 3 more games but we lost Boomer, Petrie, Firrito, Dal Santo retiring but Wells also moving to Collingwood. Tough Year 2016
Losing Higgins and Brown in later seasons, alongside no trading luck whatsoever destroyed the leadership of the team, hence why we have no captain awaiting today.
Not only that, they did make finals, finishing 8th.
@@DivergentRailways "...no trading luck..." That's not how many people see it. North have just been sh-t with list management for a long time now.
It pissed me off how Wells played nearly a full season at North in 2016 and then only played a handful of games the next few years at the Pies. It would've been so nice having Wells, Moore and Dunn available for the 2018 GF.
The 2014 suns was also a big collapse. They were 3rd after round 10, in round 16 they lost Gary Ablett and ended up in 12th
abletts injury = no gc that season, a cruel testimony to how good he was
Shows you how incredible of a player he really was
I remember that 2016 season as a north fan and I remember being happy halfway through the season just to choke to barely make the 8 and begin a rebuild we are still in today
2014 Collingwood. After 8 straight seasons of finals including a premiership, they started the season with a 70 point thrashing to the hands of Fremantle, luckily they bounced back and at the halfway point of the season they were 8-3 sitting in 4th. Collingwood's second half of the season wasn't so great, going 3-8, finishing the season in 11th at 11-11.
Talk about a rollercoaster of emotions. What will 2023 bring?
St Kilda last year with 8 wins in the first 11 games but only 3 wins after that and losing the last 3 games
2016 was so hurtful. The highest I've ever seen north finish in my life is 4th (2007) and I don't even remember it. Seeing North go 9-0 was surreal, I felt like North was actually gonna do something in my lifetime. Then the injuries to key players and tougher opponents suddenly came along and that essentially ruined the club for me. I will never be optimistic or get excited from a good start ever again, because I know we will always find a way to blow it.
dont worry mate 2023 is your year #flagnorth
Take it from a dees fan, things will get better. Hopefully it won’t take 57 years for you though!
Watched them win 96, 99 GF, on tv I'm in the West, was the best years, Pagan coaching Carey, Corey Mc, glad I got to see that era also the night premiership when it was actually a decent competition, unlike the pre season shit show that it is today
Nice job mate, as long time Richmond supporter, I'm certainly glad we've made up for the yrs of misery for fans👍😎
2022 Carlton stiff not to make it. All the wheels came off then season ended in the final game losing to Collingwood. You love to see it
They were the last team featured in the video.
Fitzroy 1993 were hovering around the top 6, having beaten North, the Eagles at home, and Carlton the eventual grand finalists. Alaister Lynch was kicking arse. They fell away though, and never came close again until they folded/merged at the end of 96. There's a little history lesson for you Riles from an old guy who grew up watching 90's football lol.
Happy no one talks about the 2015 Magpies.
Started 8-3. Lost 6 straight. Finished 10-12.
A famous one from the VFL era is 1965 Melbourne, coming off as reigning
premiers (and 11 consecutive finals series for 6 flags) went 8-0 to start the season, famously sacked their coach Norm Smith (only to reinstate him) and then only won 2 more matches to slump to 7th with a 10-8 record. It would then be 23 years before they played finals again.
The 2022 Blues Collapse for a Carlton fan like me was like the Ludovico Technique from a Clockwork Orange. Just pure unending Pain and Torture.
I remember Hawthorn were undefeated after 8 rounds in early 2000s and then only won prob 3 more for the year and missed the finals. This was pre-Clarkeson and Crawford was at his peak.
Port Adelaide 1997, went from 8/5 in third spot at round 13, looking to make finals in their very first year, to 10/11 and 1 draw, barely missing out on percentage in 9th spot.
Thx for another great video riles, as a Saints fan I reckon we should’ve been in the video for our 2022 season, it was just how many we lost after the bye and the record we had at the bye (8-3) then to only win 3 more games. We should’ve played finals cos in the end it was either a win+percentage or 2 wins. We should’ve bet port, which was a loss, we should’ve bet Brisbane in round 22, that is just naming a few there were heaps more that we should’ve won
Melbourne this year, won 11 straight and out if finals in straight sets
Uh, it was actually a 10-0 start for 2022, before shock losses to Fremantle, Sydney and Collingwood.
@BadgerFromOz cool my apologies, trying to sound smart and just sounded dumb 👍, tbh I'm a 22 year front row centre wing member for the Eagles and found it very hard to get into the footy this year....what a shit year.....my memories are purposely hazy
I went to that Carlton vs. Collingwood game in 2022 and I just remember not talking to anyone until I got home
I also forgot about the Fremantle 2017 mens team. They started 6-3 to be 5th (albeit with a poor percentage), and fell to 8-14 to finish 14th.
if carlton didn't take the spotlight last year, st kilda's collapse would need to be on this list beating the eventual premiers just before the bye to only winning 3 more games after the bye it was a huge collapse
Even though it’s cricket season this vid deserves way more than 165 likes.
Norths in 2016 was more than just an easy draw early, with impressive early wins against Adelaide and the eventual premiers the Dogs there was a clear difference in the way they were playing in the first half of the season vs the second half. It was more a lack of depth that got exposed when injuries hit, Waite was pretty much the best player in the comp in the first part of the season, Goldstein hurt his knee and wouldn't get anywhere near his best again until probably 2018, Ben Jacobs was crucial to Norths success in that era and missed most of the year, Higgins missed much of the season as well.
Melbourne in the mid 00s i think it was 2004 could be wrong but midway ish through the season we were first on the ladder only to lose every game for the rest of the year including the first final
At the time the team was training at the junction oval which didnt even have goal posts
As a north fan I was happy with our 9 and 0 start in 2016 I was thinking we could go deep in finals and possibly win the flag as well but when we only won three games from that season and then we lost Boomer and firrito and Petrie and dal santo all retiring and we also lost Daniel wells in free agency to the pies it was a tough year for north to lose in finals to the crows
It's still sad about the 2005 Tigers, if Brown didn't go down we would've played finals for sure
Geelong Cats in 1999. Won the first 5 games, lost the next 9 games between rounds 6 to 15 and finally won in round 16.
They got their season on the right path towards the end but had to have a large string of wins in order to make the finals.
Lost against Hawthorn in Round 21 in a 22 round season and they missed out on Finals by 1 win difference between 8th to 10th teams.
North still did play finals in 2016 but finished 8th in a season where was probably the most even top 8 in recent memory they were just making the numbers after looking so promising
Along with Carlton 2022, I think st Kilda 2022 should be here as well
My Crows shit the bed so hard in 2017 they had to burn the bedsheets... They still haven't recovered yet
2018 made me genuinely give up on footy. 2017 was painful enough for us Port fans, but to start the year 11 - 4 and be in the top 4 in round 19 and yet somehow finish 10th? I only turned the footy back on mid 2020 because there was nothing else to do in lockdown not because we we're actually playing well
You would’ve included saints last year, they were first for so long then crashed out, other wise great video loved it 👍
Cool video. Would like to see biggest turn arounds in a season.
I think North in 2016 were victims of an easy draw early on. You can only beat who you draw.
As soon as Geelong touched them up in round 12, it all went tits up
@Caleb Smith yeah exactly. Once they had a test, they were exposed.
@@joeybersa6783 such a hyped up game as well and it was barely a contest after half time. It became the Danger show.
“See you laters fellas”
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Yooo, g'day, Mr Riles. I definitely remember the 2010 Brisbane (4-0), the 2012 Essendon (8-1), the 2016 North Melbourne (9-0), the 2018 Port Adelaide (11-4) and the 2022 Carlton (9-3) all having shocking finishes to a season.
I never knew that the 1999 Geelong team missed the finals after a 5-0 start. I also never knew that the 2005 Richmond missed the finals after a 7-2 start.
Premiers on those mentioned years are the 1999 Kangaroos (35-point win over Carlton), the 2005 Sydney (4-point win over West Coast), the 2010 Collingwood (drawn original GF with St Kilda before thrashing the Saints by 56 points in the Replay), the 2012 Sydney (10-point win over Hawthorn), the 2016 Bulldogs (22-point win over Sydney), the 2018 West Coast (5-point win over Collingwood) and the 2022 Geelong (81-point win over Sydney).
I can't believe I'm typing this up at 2:05am AWST.
What about Collingwood 2000? They went 5-0 to start the season and ended up 7-15
@@FidgetMDCCLXIV I never thought about that.
Gotta mention the crows😂
the last team to be in the top half every round except the last happens to infact be carlton lol, sometimes in the 70s i believe
2000 Collingwood Magpies. Won the first 5 games then lost the next 9.
Collingwood 2000 ,, 5-1 and 2nd after Rnd 6 ,,finished 2nd last 7W-15L....
Alright I don't really wanna make a whole thing of this but I have to correct some of your points on the 2012 Bombers. First and foremost the original and uncorrupted official ruling for the Essendon supplements saga was that there was inconclusive evidence of doping and the sanctions handed down to the club were for a failure of governance and bringing the game into disrepute. After those findings from the independent board of lawyers put together by the league, WADA, embarrassed by sticking their nose into a case for the first time in history and have it thrown out, then decided to put together its own board which was made up of its own employees to review the case which is where the 2nd guilty verdict came from. The guilty verdict was reached with the only evidence to back it up was the word "Thymosin" written down once in a 120+ page document. The club was therefore convicted of using the not yet banned in 2012 Thymosin Beta 4, but the fact is most clubs use Thymosin Alpha as a steroid to help players recover from injuries such as broken bones. While all this was happening by the way ASADA was running a deliberate smear campaign by letting the public believe Jobe Watson had admitted to taking the substance which was under investigation, it wasn't until years after he did that interview that ASADA said that what Jobe admitted to taking, AOD-9604, was not a banned substance, but by then the entire country had already labelled the club as cheats. Multiple Essendon players were randomly drug tested throughout the 2012 season and preseason with not one positive result recorded. There is also data that measured the fitness levels of all players across the league and Essendon in 2012 did not make a significant jump upwards in terms of physical fitness, in fact there were several teams that had much bigger leaps from the season before.
Collingwood’s 2000 season? Started 5-0 then finished 7-15. From a pies fan too, still stings lol.
Can't wait for the season to start... Hopefully more drama, exciting games 🔥😅
Amazing team! keep up the good work
Collingwood in 2000 started 5-0 then I believe only won one more game for the year. I could be wrong though.
You forgot the 2022 dees
Collingwood in 2000 very similar to Geelong 1999
That north collapse was bs in 2016. People wrote off north as having an easy draw.... they beat the bulldogs in that 9 game run at the start you know... the premiers? After that They lost to the swans by 4 goals and 2 goals, lost to reigning premiers Hawks by 9 points, lost to dogs a second time by 2 goals. Does that sound like a collapse?
They lost Higgins, wells, dal Santo, Waite, Goldstein played with a hurt knee and other injuries meant the second half of the year they couldn't field their best 22 at any point post round 6. I counted at one point 9 starting 22 out in the middle of the year. You can't win with that many players out. Take 9 of any teams best 22 out and see how they go.
People will say "oh but the dogs had injuries that year, yes but a few here and there not almost half their team out for most of the middle part of the year, but even then, they were gone by the end of the year but the bye got them back 5-6 players and they had their golden final run.
North had no real depth after that 22 I agree 100% but I maintain to this day if that team stayed healthy, they absolutely had a real chance.
@Soussy they played the other top 8 teams missing multiple key players and none of the games were blow-outs except the final when they were cooked.
Richmond, West Coast and Melbourne all had almost no Injuries in their premiership years, you think they would have won if half their team were missing for half the season?
@Soussy Still salty that the Bulldogs beat the Eagles over in Perth? Or did the umpires win that match for them too, even though the margin was near enough to 8 goals?
Fremantle dockers 2011 9 wins from 15 games before crashing into 11th place with 7 consecutive losses
I didn't think about that one.
You missed 2011 Fremantle Dockers
great video
2012 Carlton should be on this list
Could you say the 2008 Cats or the 2017 Crows had a season collapse? I reckon that deserves a mention, Cats won 23 games in 2008 (including the qualifier and preliminary final) only to lose by a 3rd place Hawthorn in the grand final. And we all know what happened in 2017 to Adelaide
Crows are a good shout, this video only featured single season collapses, but yeah still a good one. For me the 2008 cats was more of a choke then a collapse, losing that GF that they should've won.
Are you serious? Come on, one Grand Final defeat hardly constitutes a season collapse. And for the record Geelong lost to a 2nd placed Hawthorn.
@@darrenmiles-morland8038 Yeah, from memory, at the end, Geelong lost two games for the year (including GF obviously) and Hawthorn only lost four. Or else it was 3 Geel 5 Haw. Geelong fans think it was a "collapse" because they beat Hawks twice in H&A (close games) and were the most over-confident of any fans I'd ever seen in any season.
Why on earth did melbourne and Richmond play a game at marvel
The thumbnail is misleading, North didn't miss finals in 2016
Nathan Brown...before he married the betting industry.
as a carlton supportor i feel like we have a better reason as to why we didnt make finals u cant help inexperience, and sheer unluckyness
Inexperience is the reason why Carlton cannot be considered a genuine flag contender in 2023, even if they make the finals and even if they finish the home and away season inside the top 4. History shows that no team within at least the past 40 seasons or more has come straight into the finals after a long finals absence and won a premiership without first tasting finals heartache in at least one finals series. Premierships are won through experiencing finals heartache.
By the way the title is clickbait. North made finals that year.
Freo 1st to 16th??
That's a season-to-season collapse, not a single-season collapse.
Who’s here after Carlton made finals last year?
Ofc North get a feature in this video lol
Fremantle in 2004 honourable mention to
2004?
Melbourne 1965. They had won 6 of the previous 10 premierships and sat 8-0 in 1965. They finished 10-8 and missed the finals. That's up there. If you make a video titled Biggest Season Collapes EVER, you need to do a bit more research on the past.
Great suggestion man, but since it’s an AFL video I just do from 1990 onwards, unless I have it as AFL/VFL. Also I didn’t want to have the video too long, might do a part 2 in the future.
Missing the 2014 Suns
North were the worst 9-0 team of all time
RIP Norf going after b graders and cooked their list for years.
No proof of doping. Shit affair for every fan and for the game as a whole but it wasnt proven and thats just a fact. A few teams were linked to dank and the weapon afterwards and no one said shit because it benefited them. But anyone that went through that as a fan wouldnt sit there and condemn another team yet again without fact.
Carlton didn't need to win against the pies, all they had to do was draw. If they did they would of been versing the pies again in an elimination final.
First
Incorrect thumbnail, north made finals in that 2016 slide
Haha Carlton crack me up
Collingwood in 1997?