Let me guess, they care more about qualifications than DEI? Here in 2 months DEI will fade away and any company that continues to force it will face racism charges.
Most commentators here assume that Tsmc comes there so happily to build plant in the US, and makes money. They conveniently forgetting the fact that tsmc was arm twisted to set up their plant in the US. Despite the billions of dollars enticement from the US government, tsmc may not be able to recoup back their investment here.
Im kinda wondering who's doing the complaining. I worked out there for 1.5 years, it goes like this On the construction side its at least 85% undocumented migrants from south of the border the rest are white and black from the US thats a fact.. As for TSMC itself they are predominantly Taiwanese in the operating Fabs and inner offices of that less than 10% are American... People can lie all they want to and deny what im saying, but i was there!!!!!
Having TSMC in Arizona is good for the U.S. and lower prices to avoid tariffs. It creates jobs locally. It’s good to have it here because China can invade Taiwan. Trump wants peace and not wars he said. He wants to negotiate peace for all the wars. He won’t fund Ukraine anymore. Thus this could give China the green light to invade Taiwan and take over TSMC without military repercussions.
TSMC's Arizona plant has just been established, many tasks and confidential information need to be handled by Taiwanese experts. How much authority do employees of a newly established company expected to have? How could this be considered discrimination? The demands of the U.S. employees are excessive and will anger TSMC's management. I think the Texas plant construction plan might end up stillborn. Instead of going to the U.S. and inviting humiliation, it would be better to keep advanced manufacturing process in Taiwan and relocate mature processes to countries like Japan, Germany, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, or Vietnam, which would be more cost-effective and easy to manage. The subsidies from these countries won’t be inconsistent or treat TSMC like a fool.
TSMC is SMART not to let DEI policies interfere with them hiring the "Best Candidates" for those jobs!! Just ask BOEING how their DEI programs have worked out...?!
@@CBeard849 it’s not about dei. They are getting billions to create American jobs but they are getting foreign workers instead. if they weren’t getting the govt incentives they could hire whoever they wanted
@@Helloworld0011-q2m They are getting billions to open a chip plant to improve America's chip production, you moron. The jobs the factory provides are inconsequential compared to expanding our ability to make semi conductor chips.
@@darthvadeth6290 Where do you see that we begged? We have chip manufacturers already in the US that we could have expanded. This specific company greased some palms to operate on US soil to avoid tariffs and now they're failing to uphold their end of the agreement.
TAIWANESE ENGINEERS & ASIAN ENGINEERS WORK SO HARD FOR TSMC 24 HOUSRS ON DUTY SO THEY CAN MAKE SUCH A GREAT COMPANY & PRODUCT ! BUT AMERICAN EMPLOYEES DONT WANT TO BE WORK LIKE THAT , THEY WANT TO BE OFF ON TIME & YOU EXPECT THEY CAN HAVE SAME EFFICIENCY AS TAIWAN OR JAPAN TO PRODUCE HIGH -END CHIPS FROM AMERICA 'S FACTORY ,ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? !!
Those are skilled workers from Taiwan, they know what they are doing. Every new builded factory needs leadership to train the newbies in order to run the manufacturing products in smooth, why all these stubborn knuckleheads don’t understand about it!
@billyhorton5779 This is being constructed as a matter of national security. China wants Taiwan. If they take it they dominate the chip industry. Good for China, bad for the U.S.
@ do you think they really wanna build the most advanced high tech chip factory in US ?? The honest answer is no !! US government wanted their factory is to be built in here is because of geopolitical issues, US knows pretty damn well that China will invade Taiwan not only for the island, they want the technology of semiconductors as well. Taiwan has provided of the high tech chips up to 90% for the world, they’re the only one know how to make 3nm chip production. No one in the world can compete with Taiwan’s chip technology nowadays which including US, so if Taiwan is taken over by China, the whole world will face semiconductor issues under China’s regime and China would dominate the world with this special technology. So definitely US wouldn’t let this scenario happened, and it’s better to be built in US than anywhere in the world.
@@donlye7698 the technology was moved to taiwan strategically by the US in a plan dubbed the silicon shield. The idea was so dissuade china from attacking taiwan, as this plan seems to be failing they are changing course. Obviously after decades of silicon shield most people globally who have experience in this industry are taiwanese, this needs to change but will obviously require taiwanese workers in america training the new work force
I fully fully support tsmc pack up and leave Arizona; maybe setup a plant in Mexico or Texas. tsmc is a trillion company, just pay back the 7 billions or whatever and leave. Is not worth all the lawsuits and wasted time and money here. the japan plant started later than Arizona, and is already functional and producing, and plant 2 japan is almost finished, and tsmc already investing to build plant 3 in japan, while Arizona plant is still not finish. is a waste of money and time to build factories in the US
I work at Intel Chandler and I know a few people that took the package and went to TSMC and complains about the culture is way different than Intel. Intel maybe struggling and trying to get back on there feet but least Intel has a Safety first mentality.
Why do those plants even need to be here ?? We wouldnt have any job or housing shortages if people would just STOP moving here under the falsity of " we have the right " !! What else did you expect a foreign corporation to do ?? Its just like inviting a CA company to relocate here with tax breaks and them bring their work force with them. Didnt do squat for REAL Arizonans. The majority of construction workers were from other states also. After these projects are completed it seems like everybody forgets to GO HOME !!
The entire world relies on Taiwanese semiconductors and microchips. If you don't know why they( the US government) are massively moving to expand the US base for that manufacturing.....you don't pay attention to World News.
@@neeksor right, I lived in Chandler, and I am a native Arizonian, it sure af helped me. That aside though, more chip plants are a serious strategic asset to have in the country.
@@TheTerryscotttaylor I agree but it shouldn't be owned by a foreign country that are a threat to our national security. Especially when American taxpayers are paying for it while those profits mostly benefit that country.
@@remarkableriots They still pay taxes here like anyone else. They aren't a threat. They are a very small island and do not even affiliate with their neighbor country which is China.
@remarkableriots I believe this is the reason tsmc didn't bring over their latest technology to the usa. They save the most advanced nodes in Taiwan because they know thisbwas going to happen.
@@remarkableriots from a purely economic perspective, it does not make sense to make anything in the usa because it will never be competitive. You can make advanced chips but if no one is buying them, how will you still in business? Invoking eminent domain to take over a foreign company will scare the heck out of other companies that may be looking to invest in the usa. They probably won't even bother.
@@freetorobandloot the government alone will be spending billions on chips for Advanced AI, robotics and weapons. the semiconductor industry has announced nearly $80 billion in new investments in the United States through 2025. We will be automating a lot of industries so they will have a lot of customers. Take the money that was going to be given to TSMC and give it to American companies.
Who cares! TSMC makes the world's most advanced semiconductors. If Taiwan falls to China it would be advantageous NO MATTER WHAT to have a domestic plant producing top tier technological architecture. What does America want, manufacturing for American technology made outside or inside the USA?
@@freetorobandloot even tsmc last gen node is lightyears ahead of intels. infact intel is having tsmc makes chip for intel. how the mighty have fallen.
...a taste of their own medicine generally speaking not every American individually speaking though, but yes I've been there even if you are better qualified some one of their own country is preferred
People complain about them being here but they are the leading producer of chips in the world. A domestic supply of chips is essential to national security especially after China threatens to invade Taiwan.
We will not need them for long. We have the upcoming "10 billion to establish the High NA EUV Center, which will include building a new facility at the Albany NanoTech Complex, called NanoFab Reflection, and purchasing ASML’s 5200 High NA EUV equipment." Intel also received the High NA EUV Tool for the Oregon Factory. We also have other projects starting soon over the next few years.
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tsmc is foreced to hire taiwanese because the American workers have no experiences and work slower than needed to be to complete the plant so US can start making advance chips for the USA. Tsmc has all the money in the world to hire American workers if there are enough qualified workers for the jobs. Taiwanese people most of them do not want to be here, they are highly paid in taiwan and lived a better life there. visit taiwan for yourself, and ask yourself if I am get just as much why would I want to move to Arizona. Just visit taiwan and you will see why.
Now that they are a US based company they can do sponsorship programs for visas like any other US business that brings people over from India to put on phones/IT and so forth So they are basically sponsoring all the workers and getting the work visas themselves
@@tibedog5629 They aren't a "US based company"! "U.S-based companies-those that maintain their primary business affairs in the U.S.-are a major component of many global sectors and industries." They maintain their primary business affairs in Taiwan!
Wanting to not take advantage of people is a unique cultural thing and exposes us to everyone else who wants revenge for being exploited in the past by other people.
Don't tell me don't tell me 🙈 Let me guess......Asians?? Ha! I knew it was Asians. Reminds me of Qualcomm in San Diego. They did the same thing, you could be the best candidate for the job but "You no look right" sorry round eye
I highly believe this Arizona foundry becomes another American manufacturing failure. Chip making is highly skilled business. TSMC success all depends upon team work. It is very difficult to let community college grads work for them. 😂 It is more like construction workers with engineering skill kind of work. Very demanding job. I doubt how many americans can do the job they require. They do not need 10 vice presidents for one factory worker. 😅
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Let me guess, they care more about qualifications than DEI? Here in 2 months DEI will fade away and any company that continues to force it will face racism charges.
Most commentators here assume that Tsmc comes there so happily to build plant in the US, and makes money. They conveniently forgetting the fact that tsmc was arm twisted to set up their plant in the US. Despite the billions of dollars enticement from the US government, tsmc may not be able to recoup back their investment here.
I hope they lose their entire investment and heavily fined for violating multiple laws.
TSMC is not an American company so I’m not surprised by these allegations.
This might be tsmc's biggest blunder, opening a plant in usa. 😂😂
@@freetorobandloot I think so.
Something like 9 out 12 board members are Americans. Americans owns the majority of shares in TSMC.
@@masmik70 11 billion from taxpayers money not fed money
Exactly, huge mistake @@freetorobandloot
Im kinda wondering who's doing the complaining.
I worked out there for 1.5 years, it goes like this
On the construction side its at least 85% undocumented migrants from south of the border the rest are white and black from the US thats a fact..
As for TSMC itself they are predominantly Taiwanese in the operating Fabs and inner offices of that less than 10% are American...
People can lie all they want to and deny what im saying, but i was there!!!!!
My sister is working there rn. She said thw Taiwanese workers are a trip. We're native btw
I work there and most new hires are American or they are interns. Idk about this lawsuit. I don't think it is 100% correct at all.
Having TSMC in Arizona is good for the U.S. and lower prices to avoid tariffs. It creates jobs locally. It’s good to have it here because China can invade Taiwan. Trump wants peace and not wars he said. He wants to negotiate peace for all the wars. He won’t fund Ukraine anymore. Thus this could give China the green light to invade Taiwan and take over TSMC without military repercussions.
TSMC's Arizona plant has just been established, many tasks and confidential information need to be handled by Taiwanese experts. How much authority do employees of a newly established company expected to have? How could this be considered discrimination? The demands of the U.S. employees are excessive and will anger TSMC's management. I think the Texas plant construction plan might end up stillborn.
Instead of going to the U.S. and inviting humiliation, it would be better to keep advanced manufacturing process in Taiwan and relocate mature processes to countries like Japan, Germany, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, or Vietnam, which would be more cost-effective and easy to manage. The subsidies from these countries won’t be inconsistent or treat TSMC like a fool.
Saw this coming. They claimed Americans were not “qualified”. I can’t believe the US was that stupid to allow this!
TSMC is SMART not to let DEI policies interfere with them hiring the "Best Candidates" for those jobs!! Just ask BOEING how their DEI programs have worked out...?!
@@CBeard849 it’s not about dei. They are getting billions to create American jobs but they are getting foreign workers instead. if they weren’t getting the govt incentives they could hire whoever they wanted
@@Helloworld0011-q2m Those foreign workers have the experience and work ethic that American workers don’t have yet to make them chips.
@@masmik70
well then don't take the grant money for providing american jobs
@@Helloworld0011-q2m They are getting billions to open a chip plant to improve America's chip production, you moron. The jobs the factory provides are inconsequential compared to expanding our ability to make semi conductor chips.
Merit is the only thing to be used to judge. I believe TSMC is an ethical company based on merit and nothing else.
You must really like crackpipes.
They're about as ethical as most liveleak videos out of China.
Huge liberal move by the Biden administration
You are one dense mf. you do realize without TSMC, US is in the stoneage.
China 🇨🇳 Joe
Screw DEI
A company can’t hire who it wants?
A company can hire who they want, but not getting $11 billion in taxpayer money. Those taxes didn't come from just Taiwan citizens
So you think foreign owned companies should be using American tax dollars to import workers?
@@droolalot5795 the money given to them is in exchange to America stealing their tech.
@@oedhelsetren America begged them to come to set up factories in America to boost domestic chip production industry 😂
@@darthvadeth6290 Where do you see that we begged? We have chip manufacturers already in the US that we could have expanded. This specific company greased some palms to operate on US soil to avoid tariffs and now they're failing to uphold their end of the agreement.
Why chip makers in U.S. can't compete. Tons of litigations.
This shouldn't be allowed to begin with.
WTF do you expect when you pay a foreign company to build their factory in the US. Time to build more American companies.
Unfortunately we Americans aren't smart enough and don't have the ability to create the chips we require from TSMC.
Not true. We are just as capable.
😂😂😂 You are living in 1967
@@SV-nk2we then why havent we? Everything we need from TSMC we cannot make.
They probably didn't want to deal with the American work culture, lazy and inefficient.
TSMC Japanese fabs are doing so well, I wonder why? 😏
americans are notortiously hard to mange. need i say more????
TAIWANESE ENGINEERS & ASIAN ENGINEERS WORK SO HARD FOR TSMC 24 HOUSRS ON DUTY SO THEY CAN MAKE SUCH A GREAT COMPANY & PRODUCT ! BUT AMERICAN EMPLOYEES DONT WANT TO BE WORK LIKE THAT , THEY WANT TO BE OFF ON TIME & YOU EXPECT THEY CAN HAVE SAME EFFICIENCY AS TAIWAN OR JAPAN TO PRODUCE HIGH -END CHIPS FROM AMERICA 'S FACTORY ,ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? !!
Those are skilled workers from Taiwan, they know what they are doing. Every new builded factory needs leadership to train the newbies in order to run the manufacturing products in smooth, why all these stubborn knuckleheads don’t understand about it!
Why cant they build their own factory in Taiwan then?
@billyhorton5779 This is being constructed as a matter of national security. China wants Taiwan. If they take it they dominate the chip industry. Good for China, bad for the U.S.
@ do you think they really wanna build the most advanced high tech chip factory in US ?? The honest answer is no !!
US government wanted their factory is to be built in here is because of geopolitical issues, US knows pretty damn well that China will invade Taiwan not only for the island, they want the technology of semiconductors as well. Taiwan has provided of the high tech chips up to 90% for the world, they’re the only one know how to make 3nm chip production. No one in the world can compete with Taiwan’s chip technology nowadays which including US, so if Taiwan is taken over by China, the whole world will face semiconductor issues under China’s regime and China would dominate the world with this special technology. So definitely US wouldn’t let this scenario happened, and it’s better to be built in US than anywhere in the world.
GTFO of America
@@donlye7698 the technology was moved to taiwan strategically by the US in a plan dubbed the silicon shield. The idea was so dissuade china from attacking taiwan, as this plan seems to be failing they are changing course. Obviously after decades of silicon shield most people globally who have experience in this industry are taiwanese, this needs to change but will obviously require taiwanese workers in america training the new work force
Sell your TSMC! lol They want DEI! Sell!
DEI is brought to you by lefties, and made legal requirements to certain extent, at least business people have to take the face value.
Too dang funny. I thought it was about the best person for the job.
So who is really complaining,and of what nationality are they??????
Wonder how much that would go to build more housing around here
you can not stop the war machine which is exactly what this plant is being built for.
I fully fully support tsmc pack up and leave Arizona; maybe setup a plant in Mexico or Texas. tsmc is a trillion company, just pay back the 7 billions or whatever and leave. Is not worth all the lawsuits and wasted time and money here. the japan plant started later than Arizona, and is already functional and producing, and plant 2 japan is almost finished, and tsmc already investing to build plant 3 in japan, while Arizona plant is still not finish. is a waste of money and time to build factories in the US
At least until the plant gets up and running shouldn't they try to get people with prior experience?
TSMC should leave the US
You should if you don't like it here.
The fine for the death of a truck driver amounted to pennies less than a parking ticket
W people crying for fair treatment classic lol
I was hoping this issue was going to be highlighted as unacceptable!
It’s ok, the government doesn’t give a shit, as long as they get their cut.
Umerican now u know how it feels like!
I work at Intel Chandler and I know a few people that took the package and went to TSMC and complains about the culture is way different than Intel. Intel maybe struggling and trying to get back on there feet but least Intel has a Safety first mentality.
From recent news it sounds like Intel has a China first policy.
Trump will fix this.
Time to Educate US in the USA, how to do what they do WELL> Hire and Train ME plz
Throw the company out of America
Why is this a thing?
Thanks Biden
Why do those plants even need to be here ?? We wouldnt have any job or housing shortages if people would just STOP moving here under the falsity of " we have the right " !!
What else did you expect a foreign corporation to do ??
Its just like inviting a CA company to relocate here with tax breaks and them bring their work force with them.
Didnt do squat for REAL Arizonans.
The majority of construction workers were from other states also.
After these projects are completed it seems like everybody forgets to GO HOME !!
uhhhhh so, where are you from? what do you think happens to an area when new development stops and people stop coming?
The entire world relies on Taiwanese semiconductors and microchips. If you don't know why they( the US government) are massively moving to expand the US base for that manufacturing.....you don't pay attention to World News.
@@neeksor right, I lived in Chandler, and I am a native Arizonian, it sure af helped me. That aside though, more chip plants are a serious strategic asset to have in the country.
@@TheTerryscotttaylor I agree but it shouldn't be owned by a foreign country that are a threat to our national security. Especially when American taxpayers are paying for it while those profits mostly benefit that country.
@@remarkableriots They still pay taxes here like anyone else. They aren't a threat. They are a very small island and do not even affiliate with their neighbor country which is China.
American workers tend to be rife with entitlement.. 😅
Trump will fix that too
They should be shut down immediately...trump will close them down on day one
😮😮 UNION MEMBER only... UNION will not all this B.S. 😮😮
There is a diversity clause in CHIPS Act? damn! But again, dont worry, Trump will rip the CHIPS Act, so no worries there.
nvda bullish
Close them down , not acceptable
CCP clown...
Foreign company not used to American laws and culture
Those chip plant needs to move to Florida, they should demolish everything of Walt Disney World and put the chip plant there.
Take over the plant and hire all Americans
They should use eminent domain to do so.
@remarkableriots I believe this is the reason tsmc didn't bring over their latest technology to the usa. They save the most advanced nodes in Taiwan because they know thisbwas going to happen.
@@freetorobandloot Good thing other companies here will be doing that very soon.
@@remarkableriots from a purely economic perspective, it does not make sense to make anything in the usa because it will never be competitive. You can make advanced chips but if no one is buying them, how will you still in business?
Invoking eminent domain to take over a foreign company will scare the heck out of other companies that may be looking to invest in the usa. They probably won't even bother.
@@freetorobandloot the government alone will be spending billions on chips for Advanced AI, robotics and weapons. the semiconductor industry has announced nearly $80 billion in new investments in the United States through 2025. We will be automating a lot of industries so they will have a lot of customers. Take the money that was going to be given to TSMC and give it to American companies.
Who cares! TSMC makes the world's most advanced semiconductors. If Taiwan falls to China it would be advantageous NO MATTER WHAT to have a domestic plant producing top tier technological architecture. What does America want, manufacturing for American technology made outside or inside the USA?
Inside the USA as long as it's owned by American companies!
They are keeping their most advanced nodes in Taiwan for this very reason.
@@freetorobandloot I wish them the best when Trump decides to no longer waste money protecting them.
Perhaps if we all spend less time on social media and more time studying physics, mathematics and engineering…..
@@freetorobandloot even tsmc last gen node is lightyears ahead of intels.
infact intel is having tsmc makes chip for intel.
how the mighty have fallen.
Hold them accountable
It’s been hard to get in here I’ve applied for sometime even with great background and experience. It’s now I see they have a preference for hiring.
...a taste of their own medicine generally speaking not every American individually speaking though, but yes I've been there even if you are better qualified some one of their own country is preferred
Its what we get for setting up chip foundries in Taiwan all those decades ago.
People complain about them being here but they are the leading producer of chips in the world. A domestic supply of chips is essential to national security especially after China threatens to invade Taiwan.
We will not need them for long. We have the upcoming "10 billion to establish the High NA EUV Center, which will include building a new facility at the Albany NanoTech Complex, called NanoFab Reflection, and purchasing ASML’s 5200 High NA EUV equipment." Intel also received the High NA EUV Tool for the Oregon Factory. We also have other projects starting soon over the next few years.
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tsmc is foreced to hire taiwanese because the American workers have no experiences and work slower than needed to be to complete the plant so US can start making advance chips for the USA. Tsmc has all the money in the world to hire American workers if there are enough qualified workers for the jobs. Taiwanese people most of them do not want to be here, they are highly paid in taiwan and lived a better life there. visit taiwan for yourself, and ask yourself if I am get just as much why would I want to move to Arizona. Just visit taiwan and you will see why.
LOL!
welcome to our america.
Tom homann will shut them down
You need workers that no what they are doing.....they're not painting license plates there.
Lot of workers from Intel looking for jobs after the force reduction
Who gave them visas
Biden.
Now that they are a US based company they can do sponsorship programs for visas like any other US business that brings people over from India to put on phones/IT and so forth
So they are basically sponsoring all the workers and getting the work visas themselves
@ of course
@@tibedog5629 They aren't a "US based company"! "U.S-based companies-those that maintain their primary business affairs in the U.S.-are a major component of many global sectors and industries." They maintain their primary business affairs in Taiwan!
Invest in Intel!
Should we trust Intel considering they support China so much recently?
Wanting to not take advantage of people is a unique cultural thing and exposes us to everyone else who wants revenge for being exploited in the past by other people.
They also have taken technology from US suppliers and shopped it to Chinese manufacturers. We stopped supporting the project due to this.
We pay!
Since they're breaking American law, the government should use eminent domain to seize those factories.
What a shocker....lol
Trumps should cut all federal funds to tsmc
Lmfao
On watch in commiefornia🤫the western province of china 😢
When the regulatory exemptions expire such companies move back home.
Yup and the taxpayers get hosed, but the government doesn't care because it wasn't their money wasted.
@@remarkableriots Water usage is equivalent to a town of 400,000 people a day. In a region with water restrictions and metered fines.
@@robcampbell2164 Hosed is another word for screwed.
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0:29 really why is everyone surprised because I wanted a job here but I never got anything.
Of course they would
America has less engineers
That will be changing soon.
All these Asian people are rude too. There I said it. North Walmart is crap now.
Don't tell me don't tell me 🙈
Let me guess......Asians??
Ha! I knew it was Asians. Reminds me of Qualcomm in San Diego. They did the same thing, you could be the best candidate for the job but "You no look right" sorry round eye
Unsafe and racist yet you show up to work every day. lol.
Do you guy’s commenting TSMC is based in Taiwan. We’re we currently manufactured our military chips. Research before commenting dummy!
They'll just move to Mexico 😂
I highly believe this Arizona foundry becomes another American manufacturing failure. Chip making is highly skilled business. TSMC success all depends upon team work. It is very difficult to let community college grads work for them. 😂 It is more like construction workers with engineering skill kind of work. Very demanding job. I doubt how many americans can do the job they require. They do not need 10 vice presidents for one factory worker. 😅
Wow??
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