Michael Jordan's 1988 Defensive Player of the Year award is under fire! Fake stats or who gives a shit because they always fake stats like wwe? NBA #nba #michaeljordanhighlights
Here is the best video that actually goes through the video proof. Way better video breakdown than mine - th-cam.com/video/MD2kOti016U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4Khj7CsGH9t4XAIz
Lemme help u out: 1. Stats were inflated for players across the league during this time. It was home cooking, & literally every player from assist credit, steals credit, blocks credit, rebound credit had a lil #2 pencil love. 2. If u actually look at more than those 6 gameswhich another YTer graced us w/finding an archive site, yes MJ’s steals were inflated by about 1-1.3 per game overall, cumulatively, at home; but, ironically his blocks were actually lower than he what he was credited for by the same statistician. So if anything, his steals should’ve been lower, but his blocks should’ve been higher which is mind numbing when u think about a 6’6 guard as prolific in that dept. 3. All defensive metrics, and analytics showed he was by far the most deserving of DPOY in 1988, even if u reduced his spg to like 2.1. There’s a lot of things that didn’t show up in the box score but count towards his defensive impact including deflections, altering shots, hard traps disrupting offenses, etc.
1. you're basing this on 6 games, there's 82 games in a season, check them all out. 6 games of 82 games is only 7.317%. 2. back then majority of players have better stats during home games than road games, you know, flying commercial to other cities, sometimes in back to back games is tiring, back to back to back games. with home games, the players are better rested. 3. those times that you've seen Leflop play defense, have you seen the advance stats during those seasons? like defensive rating and such? he is not even in the top 10.... he got voted into the defensive 1st team by journalists not due to his defensive stats, maybe those people that voted him got in contact with klutch, who knows.
@@constanciokurdapio541 I feel that my recent video didn't quite capture the points I wanted to make. If Michael Jordan's stats were boosted, it would significantly alter many advanced metrics. I've pinned another TH-camrs video that explains this concept more effectively. While LeBron James' stats might also be padded, I'll be addressing the integrity of the game in an upcoming video next month, comparing the NBA to WWE.
I bet if MJ is watching this trash he's laughing his head off like he did against the Glove, Gary Payton! Plus, if you're to try to tarnish MJ's legacy, why you nitpick the 1988 season and not the other 2 seasons where he led the league in steals? Why don't you say anything about the fact that his own teammate Kyle Kuzma pushed him to play some defense? There's video evidence of that, too! What about his turnovers and all the flopping he does? And I haven't even gotten to the worst parts! But I'm gonna throw them in for good measure! LeBron needs The Avengers and the Justice League he still has a losing record in the NBA finals plus 2011 did happen! MJ on the other hand just needed one all-star in Scottie Pippen! Plus in 91 and 98 he was the only all-star!
What LeBalco camp Will trying to do next .! Go against the two times Slam Dunk champions or 10 time scoring title or Six time FMVP. The worse thing happened to LeBlame is his camp and his fan is trying to compare him with the GOAT MJ.!! Is no fear to LeBron. Is not even close. Sorry the door 🚪 was never even open.!!
Facts! Because even if you remove MJ's DPOY in 1988, and you give LBJ the 2013 DPOY, MJ still has all the accolades that you mentioned, plus MJ never even came close to losing in international competition! And on the other hand, there was a time when LeBron was nicknamed LeBronze!
@@alexandrossimitzis146 yeah .! And you what make more crazy.! The more you search on MJ records and numbers the wild is get. Go look at when he was playing with the wizard. From 38-40 you will see how many records he has that never going to be Brock. I tell you is crazy!!!
@@BBallBlueprints Sorry but Haberstroh provided ZERO VIDEO PROOF. That's exactly why his article is not being taken seriously by any rational person. Habrstroh's article DID NOT prove that Jordan's home stats were gifted or inflated, his article simply established that the biggest majority of DPOY candidates in the 1987/88 season (and throughout NBA history) have recorded more steals and blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's home steals and blocks in 1987/88 are marginally higher than the number of steals and blocks his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Establishing a disparity between home and road stats is NOT PROOF of home stat inflation, players generally perform better at home, that’s not unique to MJ and it’s not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. BOTTOM LINE...Regardless of what your opinion is of Jordan, the ONLY way to prove that home stat inflation contributed to him winning the DPOY in 1987/88 is to complete the following 3 steps... 1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score. 2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if it occurred) was limited to one player. 3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent review. Haberstroh failed to complete ANY of the 3 steps laid out above, in fact he didn't even come close! Jordan played 41 home games in his DPOY season, Haberstroh analysed just 6 of those games (what about the other THIRTY FIVE!!). Since when is ANY investigation considered credible when 86% of the data in question is eliminated from analysis! Of the 6 games he claims he did analyse, 1 game was found online and has since been reviewed by several sources (ZERO evidence of stat inflation, the film matches the box score) and the other 5 games he sourced from Latvia on VHS tapes. Here's the kicker though...Haberstroh claims that there is evidence of home stat inflation in these 5 VHS games but he failed to make the VHS footage available for independent verification!!! We are expected to simply take his word on what he has observed on those tapes?? Ask yourself this…if he is so confident that the footage on those VHS tapes supports what he is alleging in his article, why hasn't he made that footage available to the public so that his claims can be verified?
@@BBallBlueprints I watched the games. Didn’t go look at highlights. And if it’s factual why didn’t you present it in your video? Instead of just hurling accusations? I get it you were brainwashed into believing that LeBronze is as good as MJ. But it’s a false narrative. He’s 4-6 in the finals. And if it wasn’t for Allen, Kyrie, or Dwade he would only have his bubble title to his credit. The sad part is your boy isn’t even top 5. Top 10 sure him being the 10th best. MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Olajuwon, and Shaq were all better players than LeBronze. With winning records in the finals.
@@paulfigueroa3885 You cant be serious right? you actually think your little pea size brain was keeping track of steals & blocks 20 plus years ago? grow up bro
Insane evidence that can't be proven 100% 🤣 Seriously, just watch some of his games with the Bulls and you'll see for yourself how big of a threat MJ was on both offense and defense, and if you can't see it then you're just blind or in denial lol
Uh oh LeBronze Stan alert!! When the hell was Lames known for his defensive greatness? Hahaha wtf he talks about Lechokes great defensive skills yet shows him dunking lmao.
I personally think MJ deserved the award because they all have some subjective stats even Lebron- But to say lebron wasnt a good defender in his prime is crazy
Not the first time that has happened. The media votes dpoy, the coaches vote the defensive teams. If anything gasol was robbed on first team, him and Tim Duncan. Sorry bron fans lol
@@rickeysmiley1055 u can't be robbed of first team all defense. that is also insinuating that the media knew more than the coaches. which if you believe that I don't know what to tell you. there's a reason the coaches voted gasol for 2nd team. because tony allen was the best perimeter defender in the league, was 5th in dbpm, had the same defensive rating as gasol, and was voted first above lebron by one point for first team all defense. Mike conley was 3rd in steals, 10th in dbpm and was voted for 2nd team all defense. both had more votes than gasol. so gasol finished as the 3rd best defender on his own team and also voted as the third best defender at his position. but he wasn't even voted third best, he was voted fourth best. he had 12 votes and larry sanders had 16. gasol was the third best defender on his own team and fourth best at his position.
Here is the best video that actually goes through the video proof. Way better video breakdown than mine - th-cam.com/video/MD2kOti016U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4Khj7CsGH9t4XAIz
Lemme help u out:
1. Stats were inflated for players across the league during this time. It was home cooking, & literally every player from assist credit, steals credit, blocks credit, rebound credit had a lil #2 pencil love.
2. If u actually look at more than those 6 gameswhich another YTer graced us w/finding an archive site, yes MJ’s steals were inflated by about 1-1.3 per game overall, cumulatively, at home; but, ironically his blocks were actually lower than he what he was credited for by the same statistician.
So if anything, his steals should’ve been lower, but his blocks should’ve been higher which is mind numbing when u think about a 6’6 guard as prolific in that dept.
3. All defensive metrics, and analytics showed he was by far the most deserving of DPOY in 1988, even if u reduced his spg to like 2.1.
There’s a lot of things that didn’t show up in the box score but count towards his defensive impact including deflections, altering shots, hard traps disrupting offenses, etc.
1. you're basing this on 6 games, there's 82 games in a season, check them all out. 6 games of 82 games is only 7.317%.
2. back then majority of players have better stats during home games than road games, you know, flying commercial to other cities, sometimes in back to back games is tiring, back to back to back games. with home games, the players are better rested.
3. those times that you've seen Leflop play defense, have you seen the advance stats during those seasons? like defensive rating and such? he is not even in the top 10.... he got voted into the defensive 1st team by journalists not due to his defensive stats, maybe those people that voted him got in contact with klutch, who knows.
@@constanciokurdapio541
I feel that my recent video didn't quite capture the points I wanted to make. If Michael Jordan's stats were boosted, it would significantly alter many advanced metrics. I've pinned another TH-camrs video that explains this concept more effectively. While LeBron James' stats might also be padded, I'll be addressing the integrity of the game in an upcoming video next month, comparing the NBA to WWE.
I bet if MJ is watching this trash he's laughing his head off like he did against the Glove, Gary Payton! Plus, if you're to try to tarnish MJ's legacy, why you nitpick the 1988 season and not the other 2 seasons where he led the league in steals? Why don't you say anything about the fact that his own teammate Kyle Kuzma pushed him to play some defense? There's video evidence of that, too! What about his turnovers and all the flopping he does? And I haven't even gotten to the worst parts! But I'm gonna throw them in for good measure! LeBron needs The Avengers and the Justice League he still has a losing record in the NBA finals plus 2011 did happen! MJ on the other hand just needed one all-star in Scottie Pippen! Plus in 91 and 98 he was the only all-star!
@@alexandrossimitzis146 I agree there is video proof on both sides of fake stats. Its actually a issue that needs to be addressed
What LeBalco camp Will trying to do next .! Go against the two times Slam Dunk champions or 10 time scoring title or Six time FMVP. The worse thing happened to LeBlame is his camp and his fan is trying to compare him with the GOAT MJ.!! Is no fear to LeBron. Is not even close. Sorry the door 🚪 was never even open.!!
I agree MJ is #1
Facts! Because even if you remove MJ's DPOY in 1988, and you give LBJ the 2013 DPOY, MJ still has all the accolades that you mentioned, plus MJ never even came close to losing in international competition! And on the other hand, there was a time when LeBron was nicknamed LeBronze!
@@alexandrossimitzis146 yeah .! And you what make more crazy.! The more you search on MJ records and numbers the wild is get. Go look at when he was playing with the wizard. From 38-40 you will see how many records he has that never going to be Brock. I tell you is crazy!!!
So where was the proof of what you’re claiming? There is no debate bruh. Yes they’re both great. But one of them is the greatest. Ever.
There is 100% video proof but the same could be said about some of bron stats
@@BBallBlueprints Sorry but Haberstroh provided ZERO VIDEO PROOF. That's exactly why his article is not being taken seriously by any rational person. Habrstroh's article DID NOT prove that Jordan's home stats were gifted or inflated, his article simply established that the biggest majority of DPOY candidates in the 1987/88 season (and throughout NBA history) have recorded more steals and blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's home steals and blocks in 1987/88 are marginally higher than the number of steals and blocks his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Establishing a disparity between home and road stats is NOT PROOF of home stat inflation, players generally perform better at home, that’s not unique to MJ and it’s not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. BOTTOM LINE...Regardless of what your opinion is of Jordan, the ONLY way to prove that home stat inflation contributed to him winning the DPOY in 1987/88 is to complete the following 3 steps...
1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score.
2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if it occurred) was limited to one player.
3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent review.
Haberstroh failed to complete ANY of the 3 steps laid out above, in fact he didn't even come close! Jordan played 41 home games in his DPOY season, Haberstroh analysed just 6 of those games (what about the other THIRTY FIVE!!). Since when is ANY investigation considered credible when 86% of the data in question is eliminated from analysis! Of the 6 games he claims he did analyse, 1 game was found online and has since been reviewed by several sources (ZERO evidence of stat inflation, the film matches the box score) and the other 5 games he sourced from Latvia on VHS tapes. Here's the kicker though...Haberstroh claims that there is evidence of home stat inflation in these 5 VHS games but he failed to make the VHS footage available for independent verification!!! We are expected to simply take his word on what he has observed on those tapes?? Ask yourself this…if he is so confident that the footage on those VHS tapes supports what he is alleging in his article, why hasn't he made that footage available to the public so that his claims can be verified?
You can log into the nba classic games and count yourself- it 100% factual. But it’s not just Jordan - people are finding LBJ padded stats too
@@BBallBlueprints I watched the games. Didn’t go look at highlights. And if it’s factual why didn’t you present it in your video? Instead of just hurling accusations? I get it you were brainwashed into believing that LeBronze is as good as MJ. But it’s a false narrative. He’s 4-6 in the finals. And if it wasn’t for Allen, Kyrie, or Dwade he would only have his bubble title to his credit. The sad part is your boy isn’t even top 5. Top 10 sure him being the 10th best. MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Olajuwon, and Shaq were all better players than LeBronze. With winning records in the finals.
@@paulfigueroa3885 You cant be serious right? you actually think your little pea size brain was keeping track of steals & blocks 20 plus years ago? grow up bro
Insane evidence that can't be proven 100% 🤣 Seriously, just watch some of his games with the Bulls and you'll see for yourself how big of a threat MJ was on both offense and defense, and if you can't see it then you're just blind or in denial lol
@@jasondress1345 there is 100% evidence just go and watch the games but again Lebron is guilty of the game thing I feel like
Uh oh LeBronze Stan alert!! When the hell was Lames known for his defensive greatness? Hahaha wtf he talks about Lechokes great defensive skills yet shows him dunking lmao.
I personally think MJ deserved the award because they all have some subjective stats even Lebron- But to say lebron wasnt a good defender in his prime is crazy
@@paulfigueroa3885 there’s video evidence of Kyle Kuzma literally pushing the self proclaimed king to play defense!
When lebron was in Miami, Gasul won where he was only in second defensive team.
Not the first time that has happened. The media votes dpoy, the coaches vote the defensive teams. If anything gasol was robbed on first team, him and Tim Duncan. Sorry bron fans lol
Go look at the defensive ratings gasol had better ratings and his team was better defensively
@@rickeysmiley1055 actually it was the only time in nba history a guy has made second team all defense and won it over a guy that won first team.
@@rickeysmiley1055 u can't be robbed of first team all defense. that is also insinuating that the media knew more than the coaches. which if you believe that I don't know what to tell you. there's a reason the coaches voted gasol for 2nd team. because tony allen was the best perimeter defender in the league, was 5th in dbpm, had the same defensive rating as gasol, and was voted first above lebron by one point for first team all defense. Mike conley was 3rd in steals, 10th in dbpm and was voted for 2nd team all defense. both had more votes than gasol. so gasol finished as the 3rd best defender on his own team and also voted as the third best defender at his position. but he wasn't even voted third best, he was voted fourth best. he had 12 votes and larry sanders had 16. gasol was the third best defender on his own team and fourth best at his position.
Evidence? you just hating 😆
there is 100% game footage of him getting fake stats. Same with Lebron tho. it happens
@@BBallBlueprints yeah sure
@@mutasimmuhammad9672 why don’t you actually go back and watch ?
@@BBallBlueprints why don’t you actually present evidence in your video instead of telling people it’s true just believe me and go watch. Lmao clown
Come on bro this is the WWE now its all padded