@@grzegorzmlacki6590 I have 2007 3.2 Q4 with manual and yes, it is a lot quicker. I wrote handful of comments under each of the 3 videos of this same car on this channel in naive hope that it can decrease the amount of usual trash talk about this engine/platform.
@@Jaredscott89 Also I guarantee you it goes faster than 220kph they achieved on this *broken* car and accelerate quicker. If you don't believe me, it's your problem. I am not saying that 159 3.2JTS is blazing fast.. but it is surely quicker than the car shown in video.
Doesnt matter how slow or fast it is - its arguably the best looking estate ever made, looks gorgeous from all angles, driving experience is fantastic and you get the sense of connection to the car. Its not an overpowered Audi A6 with wide skirts and 700 horses (which is also pretty dope) or the usual boring BMWs. (your new M4 is amazing tho) Love to see more Alfas on this page :) Running a MY18 170hp Giulietta here in Misano Blue with carbon details :)
*Max @AutoTopNL* , you actually said it in your review like 3 or more times- this particular engine does not have full 260Hp. Therefore it is ridiculously slow. Carbon buildup in engine? This review is unfortunately not doing a justice to a real performance of a healthy 3.2JTS. Other than this I agree with you :) It is very thirsty as it has to cope with Q4 and heavy weight of a platform initially planned for much larger vehicle (luxury sedan with v8). My pre-facelift 3.2JTS Q4 SW weights 1805kg per documents. After facelift (2008) they lighten up mainly suspension components and saved around 50kg. But 159 had the biggest torsional rigidity of all its competitors that time (3 series, A4, C class..). And I would 100% rather crash in 159 than in 156/147 (watch crash tests) :D Ti version of 159 has (apart from visual changes you mentioned in video) also lowered sport suspension by 20mm. That's only difference drive-wise. JTS was first introduced in facelifted 156 2.0JTS. Jet Thrust = direct injection. Stoichiometric in the abbrevitation means it keeps ideal air to fuel ratio, so all fuel is burned. In this engine it means that it burned lean mixture until 1500rpm to save some fuel and then used stoichiometric AF ratio. BTW: *only engine block* was sourced from Holden. Alfa used their own heads: JTS, variable timing, higher compression ratio. Last remark as many times this engine/ car is compared to 156 (even to 147). Yes, Busso was lovely to look at and sounded amazing and reved quicker, but also it was not possible for this engine to pass new Euro4 emission standards. Remove some of the CATs from this car (there are 4 of them) and put it in 156 and it would be quicker than with Busso. Also more economical since this is direct injection. You can't really compare 147GTA FWD light car with horrible crash test results with 3.2JTS Brera (which was more likely Q4 too) built on much heavier platform. That's not fair comparison. As an owner of 159 SW 3.2JTS Q4 I can tell you that they drive faster and accelerate harder. You can reach 240+kph and quicker too. So if you want a relevant result in your table, please find another car and do the measurements again. If you read up to this point, well done sir. Thank you for your video reviews :)
@@Darkside42340 Hahaha you're joking. Better than the Busso in every aspect, apart from character. This specific model has carbon build-up issues - which affects all direct injection engines. Gotta know what you're talking about before commenting.
And if it comes to interior, there is no good angle, not one good spot. Cheap plastics. 90s design. If it comes to fuel economy or reability there is no better one, if you have the tow company.
Sounds better than expected, but what you want is a 159 with the 1750TBi engine. I have a late, low mileage 159 TBi SW tuned by Squadra tuning, and it is properly quick from about 1800rpm.
@@swansmeisterany car could be expensive if you buy broken car or unreliable enginge. And yes i have AF159 and i wouldnt replace for another car with the same budget
@@swansmeister did you ever own an alfa or are you just another idiot repeating like a parrot ? We have a 1.9 jtd 147 for 14 years now, 300k km, no big issues and I still go 1100km on one tank. And after 14 years, you still enjoy the drive. But hey, they're terrible amirite
@@dwade3202 there are always exeptions on the rule bit Alfa are problem cars, it's not an opinion but a fact. I like my c63 s204 also but it jas it share of problems and I am not such a fanboy that I couldnt say anything negative about the car I own. Alfa Romeo has the nickname Alfa Romelo over here for a reason.
@@swansmeister thats my point, exactly. literally audi bmw merc from the late 2000s break as hell too, but you see nobody having that reputation but alfa. My dream car is audi rs5 with the v8 and when I go and see how many issues the car can have it's crazy, but the reputation is intact. Idk why but its like people want alfa to fail and to re-enforce the belief they're crap. Sure, some parts are questionable, but I hate when they act its an alfa only problem. Buy a bmw v8 from the late 2000s, you're gonna go broke.
Italian invisible horses, beautiful sound, beyond beautiful looks. That's an Alfa! Having this in a Brera, the fuel economy compared to the speed and power is laughable.... but the looks, the sound, the feeling it gives... priceless!
yeah i think it should be faster too. there's a video of a chipped 3.2 159 with 290hp. And while that is a +10% increase in power it did 0-100 in about 6s and 100-200 in about 15s. This one took almost 30s 100-200 which really is slow. Plus the chipped one hit 230 before the video stopped but would definetly break 240 when topped out. Probably something wrong with the car. Maybe carbon build up and in need of a retune?
@@nvl2691 Hey mate, another video of this car, another avalanche of crap comments. If you want to amuse yourself, read the comment thread under " _MegaBaron91: Slow acceleration, high consumption, but it has an V6 and it's red! xD_ " comment where I had a "discussion" with some Jared Scott :-D
The biggest “problem” with the 159 is that the best engine in its series is either the 1.750 petrol or the 2.4 diesel. The V6 was never considered to be a good petrol as it was made by Holden (sacrilege for any alfisti!), and the 2.2 petrol is too slow, as is the 1.9 diesel. I have driven the 2.2 and thought it was horrible, and I own a 2.4 since many years that I’ve pushed on the autobahn without problems up to 230. The top speed (on gps) that I’ve reached in the 2.4 was 245 km/h, meaning that something must be wrong with this V6 as it really seems slower than the 2.4 diesel that has 60 bhp less. Still a very pretty car, and I get plenty of comments on mine despite its 200K km on the clock and it’s tender age of 14 years.
For the 159 the best option would be the 1.7tbi engine and then tune it with a stage 1 tune. But like you said, v6 engines are becoming more and more special even if they aint that fast
@@Mr995pippo oh yes i have one, its an automatic gearbox but igdaf, its so fun to drive. I'm thinking to manual swap it but ive heard that its very difficult even for poeple who understand alfas and everything, expesnive too, but my 166 is my love 😍
I have an Alfa Romeo 159 SW Q4 with a diesel engine 2.4 jdtm. 5 cylinders, 210hp. When i was on the high-speed road from St. Petersburg to Moscow, reached a speed of 210 km/h, but i felt that Alfa could do it faster, and I couldn't :) Hello from Russia, sorry for my English. Good luck, AutoTopNL!
No way, I've driven a Brera 3.2 jts (so same engine) in stock mode for 4 months and I was flying. This car has problems. The only V6 engine I love Is Busso ❤
i had 159....sedan and diesel, but still very good car, i love it. turned heads in city bc not common in my country. always looked back after parking it and walking away :D
That particular Alfa is broken. Not the normal acceleration at all. You should know better as a car journalist. Yes the engine is not a busso v6 but GM but still. The acceleration is not normal.
156 2.0 Twin Spark takes 8.6 s to 100 and the top speed is just as seen in this vid. Has 155hp and the weight is 1375. Something is wrong with this one.
@@Wh04m1 Nooooice. Would love to get me some older alfa again. Only had twin sparks\boxers in the past. Is jts at least somewhat similar in character to TS?
@@215alessio Lets be real, that questionable deal with nasty GM V6 (and some inline 4) engines was already set in stone, when Marchionne came to FIAT in 2004. However "Marchionnes V6" for Alfa Romeo is the F154 - in Giulia & Stelvio QV.
@@alfisti93 It really isn't nasty. It's just strangled by strict emission standards, and in the case of the car in the video, strangled by carbon build-up. Now, the JTS is definitely not as enjoyable as the Busso, but it's much better than people make it out to be.
Early direct injection petrol engines are known for clogging up with carbon, and losing power as a consequense... maybe this one suffers from that? The 159 was hugely compromised but it’s a beauty and the interior still looks very good today
Last Sunday I accompanied my fourteen year old son (159 employee 😁) to the "Quantum of Solace" rally on Lake Garda: 1 Aston Martin on the run and a pack of 70 Alfa 159s in tow, along the tunnels between Salò and Riva, bringing the scene of the life of the film oo7. 😂 funny. (Aston from Great Britain, 159 from Italy, Austria, Slovakia, Denmark, Poland, NL, Switzerland, Slovenia, Romania, mostly black)
Unfortunately this 3.2 is the JTS engine that we call "mezzosangue" is very bad... this car and the Brera with the Busso V6 could be the best ever made after the GT
You should try a 159 ti TBI around some corners. It solves the weight problem and I consider it the perfect engine for this car. But unfortunately, it's not a v6. :(
yeah i have it too, and it's rather boring engine indeed. That's why i upgraded to 3.2v6 166, now that is not boring at all :D But i still can't get myself to sell the 159, it's beautiful and comfy
I’ve got this car in a sedan/saloon. I’ve had GTAs and other bussos. This is a much better cruiser and more reliable. Doesn’t sound as good but still sounds great.
Actually the (low) mileage IS the problem. It was probably used for lots of short trips and caused a lot of carbon build up which is choking the engine
@@Johan-fw8re I believe that is also a problem, but I am afraid that the bigger problem is that the engine, at it best, does not achieve nearly the same power as it says on paper. This was even a problem with the old JTS engines in the Alfa Romeo 156 and GT. I may be wrong, but I think that’s the main problem, regardless of the weight of the car.
@@goranvego3 The issue isn't Alfa Romeo overestimating their power outputs - the JTS did make 260 hp when new. But carbon build-up has completely strangled this specific engine... thank you direct injection.
It should have come from factory the way one German car dealer modified it. They put a supercharger in and by that created about another 100hp giving it a total of about 360hp which fits it very well. But the car isn't as heavy as many people tell. Sure thing 1760kg is a lot, but if compared to other mid-class cars of its era it isn't that heavy. An Audi A4 oder Mercedes C-Class also weigh about 1600-1800kg depending on the trim you chose.
they had a GTA version planned with a V8 - it was on the nurburgring a few times but it got cancelled after the economic crash. such a shame because that wouldve been awesome
Alfa Romeo has a spirit , a car that makes you to feel an amazing experience , isn't about top speed or fast acceleration , and those engines aren't a true Alfa ADN , And doesn't expect something impressive form those engines . The Gulia Qv V6 2.9 is a true Alfa ADN
This car might have some serious issues between the direct fuel injection system and the lambda probe (emissions measurement). Wrong infos between both systems, which result in poor performance.
That precise alfa you're having on your channel may have some engine issues, because if you look on other 3.2 159 accelerations on you-tube they're much faster that that.
De intern gebruikte materialen zijn wel mooi. Veel hedendaagse auto's hebben goedkoop glanzend zwart plastic in het dashboard etc. Dat krast enorm. En ziet er m.i. erg cheap uit.
I still regret mine sometimes... but then I remember why I sold it, the insane fuel consumption, worst is in the city at slow speed, I had an average of 22l/100km, very difficult to go under 11l/100km cruising on highway at legal speed. Sold because of that, I wasn't able to afford the thirst of this inefficient nightmare (refuel twice a week at some point)
I own the V6 sedan and, yes, it's a heavy ass car. It does 0-100km/h in 5,6sec but it doesn't feel like it. And fuel economy truly is absolutely awful. Despite all the "bad" stuff I still love it to bits. I call myself an alfista and it's my first ever car. I plan on doing stage 1 and fit a catback or something for the exhaust. There's potential!
@@Scyrixusdamn £1230 insurance a year for that would be impossible here. people are lucky to get that on a 0.9L toyota aygo with a black box, most of the time even higher lmao
nice video, 159 has a gm (LLT) engine from the holden commodore SV6.the engine is long stroke, the busso has a short stroke engine. it is not the best engine. alfa did some tuning on it to make it a bit more sporty. it is such a dissapointment it lets it down a lot .
I have the 159 2.4 jtdm of course is more slow of this alfa on video but the top speed of my alfa is 245km/h and I don't touch the engine or work on this is only in good condition........for me the Alfa on video have problem........whenever W Alfa Romeo😉🍀😍❤
I actually want to take mine (same spec) to the dyno. It seems slow even for a heavy car. I actually think its more due to the awd system than the weight itself. I estimate it would come back with about 200 to the wheel max.
I love the 159 Alfa Romeo,very nice car with good immagine. Unfortunatly, the car was havy likes a tank. I think Busso V6 was a motor art,the V6 you test is poor of Power. Max, congratulation for your Channel,i like this. You have ti test the 159, 1.750, 200 hp..it's more focused for this car. Thanks.
Let's look at the good sides: it is pretty heavy due to it being a very safe car for both front and rear passengers, 5-star rating at EURO NCAP, plenty of options on it (depending on the trim level you have), the 3.2, as far as I know, it is pretty reliable (never driven one tho) if you maintain it according to the service book, plenty of space inside, the sportwagon model is usually 50-60 kg heavier than the sedan version. The basic models have around 1.500 kg, they were designed to be comfortable, not sporty. Even so, they still pack some power under the bonnet.
Hi guys I want to buy my first car and idk what model. So I love the sound of the Busso V6 (GTA Models). It could be a Brera or 159 too. I want to stay below 20k€. Are the models good in this price range?
I would really advise you to go for an alfa 159 1.9 jts with 160hp, or 2.2 with 180-190 hp. You can also get the 1.8 ti model but don't go over 10-11k€. I would go for the 1.9jts (160hp) with low mileage, very good consumption too! No need to go higher engine capacity as their performance doesn't change accordingly. These cars, except for their breathtaking design, are amazing for corners, if you wanna do mostly highway driving they are nice, but their sound insulation is not the best. For twisty roads these are like the Ferrari of the "poor"! I love my 156 and my father's 159! Forza Alfa!
@@TheLordofcod yeah really good cars and engines. My grandpa has a Alfa romeo spider (916) 2.0. What a great car. But im the sound type of guy i thought maybe a GTV 3.2 would be the right thing maybe but thanks for the advice I could look for some 4 cylinders too :)
@@Luca-vl6ep I'd recommend the GT 3.2 - pretty much a GTA without the name and price associated with it. Won't be cheap for long though. Could get a 166 3.2 TI too. I'm hesitating between that and a 159 3.2 Q4.
@@Luca-vl6ep are you a soundfreak? Haha! I would sacrifice the sound for the consumption and price, you can find amazing prices for 1.9 or 2.2 . You won't believe it. Oh! And check for the front tires for over wearing, it means that the previous owner didn't change front suspensions on time and he drove it aggressively (I don't judge him, I drive it crazy fast in the corners)
Dovrai tenerla come un gioiello però, c'è gente che dice che se le usi tutti i giorni le spacchi ma non è vero, devi trattarla da dio, nel mio paese c'è uno che usa una GTA per andare a lavoro da anni
I'm probably wrong but.. it doesn't really seem that much faster than my saab 1.9 diesel lol. Although i did drive this Alfa 1.9 diesel version and it was super responsive for a diesel.
IT´S SLOW, IT´S HEAVY, BUT HEY: IT HAS A V6. & btw: Most of Alfas have a really fantastic and intense driving experience, for the driver´s comfort and the view. Not every german-car (french, english-´merican, & so on) could offer something like that feelings: with some Alfas you rlly get the sense of connection to the car. No matter if u are a novice or an older driver. NICE V6 LOUDY SOUND BY 200-220 BTW DUDE, HEERLIJK :D
It is not much slower, but the JTS has taller gearing and much more isolation material, which reduces the impression of speed. It is also slightly slower, but that is down to the couple extra kilos of the car. And purely the block is from GM, everything else is designed by Alfa. stoichiometric stands for the ideal ratio between fuel and oxigen. In my opinion this should have been part of your research.
![Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 | REVIEW on AUTOBAHN [NO SPEED LIMIT] by AutoTopNL](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/01z0yzyhs9c/mqdefault.jpg)
"Man, it's really-really slooow" - 4th gear 210 kph
seems not many noticed this...lol
For a car with 260 hp, 8 seconds is pretty slow when a Fiat Punto with 150 hp does 9 seconds. But it doesn't matter because it's an Alfa
@@rishavganguly92 Yeah, my abarth punto does a 7.5 sec with 180 hp. But the alfa is very heave
@@allan2k195 my 159 with v6, automatic sedan does 0-100kmph in 7.0s at all times
@@piotr5591 Love that car😍
Still among THE most beautiful wagons EVER made ♥️
Audi
@@jovan4382 Nice joke Jovan
Saab 9-5!
Still a shitty car tho. Its like having a beautiful girlfriend but she has an extra chromosome.
@@jovan4382 Audi biturbo ko ima love, para
13 years later and still looking great!!
Yes
Henry Ford: "Every time I see an Alfa Romeo pass by , I lift my hat "
Every Lada owner ever: "Every time I pass an Alfa Romeo, I floor it to win... (my life not to rear-end the tow trucque)"
@@miljororforsprakpartiet290 because he saw how they build them and saluted that they actually could get one done like they did...
Slow acceleration, high consumption, but it has an V6 and it's red! xD
same thought! xd
@@grzegorzmlacki6590 I have 2007 3.2 Q4 with manual and yes, it is a lot quicker. I wrote handful of comments under each of the 3 videos of this same car on this channel in naive hope that it can decrease the amount of usual trash talk about this engine/platform.
@@Matus.S lol. So they apparently only ever get given broken ones?
Nope, these cars are just straight up slow. Low power, high weight.
@@Jaredscott89 They created 3 videos of the same broken car from one shoot. Not 3 different 159. What you don't understand about that comment?
@@Jaredscott89 Also I guarantee you it goes faster than 220kph they achieved on this *broken* car and accelerate quicker. If you don't believe me, it's your problem. I am not saying that 159 3.2JTS is blazing fast.. but it is surely quicker than the car shown in video.
Doesnt matter how slow or fast it is - its arguably the best looking estate ever made, looks gorgeous from all angles, driving experience is fantastic and you get the sense of connection to the car. Its not an overpowered Audi A6 with wide skirts and 700 horses (which is also pretty dope) or the usual boring BMWs. (your new M4 is amazing tho)
Love to see more Alfas on this page :) Running a MY18 170hp Giulietta here in Misano Blue with carbon details :)
We love Alfa for their looks and handling. Connections between the driver and the car. Italians can evoke emotions.
We had one, it wasn't that slow. This one might have a problem, you should dyno it to check the numbers and go from there.
Mine does 240kph easily. You need to have the engine checked.
@@jjnel1 did you see what gear he was in?
probably the most beautiful estate ever made! even compared to this year's estates! Forza Alfa!
Even... lol even. Have cars ever been as ugly as now?
If only they made the guilia a sportwagon. Imagine the QV
@@Seatter_S it would be amazing...
@@TheLordofcod certainly would
*Max @AutoTopNL* , you actually said it in your review like 3 or more times- this particular engine does not have full 260Hp. Therefore it is ridiculously slow. Carbon buildup in engine?
This review is unfortunately not doing a justice to a real performance of a healthy 3.2JTS. Other than this I agree with you :) It is very thirsty as it has to cope with Q4 and heavy weight of a platform initially planned for much larger vehicle (luxury sedan with v8). My pre-facelift 3.2JTS Q4 SW weights 1805kg per documents. After facelift (2008) they lighten up mainly suspension components and saved around 50kg. But 159 had the biggest torsional rigidity of all its competitors that time (3 series, A4, C class..). And I would 100% rather crash in 159 than in 156/147 (watch crash tests) :D
Ti version of 159 has (apart from visual changes you mentioned in video) also lowered sport suspension by 20mm. That's only difference drive-wise.
JTS was first introduced in facelifted 156 2.0JTS. Jet Thrust = direct injection. Stoichiometric in the abbrevitation means it keeps ideal air to fuel ratio, so all fuel is burned. In this engine it means that it burned lean mixture until 1500rpm to save some fuel and then used stoichiometric AF ratio.
BTW: *only engine block* was sourced from Holden. Alfa used their own heads: JTS, variable timing, higher compression ratio.
Last remark as many times this engine/ car is compared to 156 (even to 147). Yes, Busso was lovely to look at and sounded amazing and reved quicker, but also it was not possible for this engine to pass new Euro4 emission standards. Remove some of the CATs from this car (there are 4 of them) and put it in 156 and it would be quicker than with Busso. Also more economical since this is direct injection. You can't really compare 147GTA FWD light car with horrible crash test results with 3.2JTS Brera (which was more likely Q4 too) built on much heavier platform. That's not fair comparison.
As an owner of 159 SW 3.2JTS Q4 I can tell you that they drive faster and accelerate harder. You can reach 240+kph and quicker too. So if you want a relevant result in your table, please find another car and do the measurements again.
If you read up to this point, well done sir. Thank you for your video reviews :)
I wish this was the pinned comment for everyone to read...!
Ie got one too totally agree this is sluggish. At least he portrays the fun of the car I’ve had many bussos love this just as much
There is no official 156 crash test.
Bro wrote an essay on the jts. Busso engines are 69 times better 😏
Me: doing homework
AutotopNL: Uploads video 7 mins ago
Me: I shall rather watch this masterpiece instead
Go study
If you wanna own one
AUTOBHAN: no speed limit
Alfa 159 v6: huge speed limite because of anemic engine..
It's Alfa Romeo. It's not meant to be fast. It's meant to look good while waiting for tow truck.
Do not forget that is a 2005 aspired engine :)
@@maxz2552 of course. . The old busso engine was fantastic, the last holden a piece of crap
@@Leonidae 😂😂
@@Darkside42340 Hahaha you're joking. Better than the Busso in every aspect, apart from character.
This specific model has carbon build-up issues - which affects all direct injection engines.
Gotta know what you're talking about before commenting.
I had a friend who had one and I can tell you that engine is not running well. The 159 v6 was never a fast car but it was never this slow.
If you check other 159 3.2 accelerations they are actually faster, something is off with this particular car
of course something is wrong with it, its an alfa!
@@marcodalfonso2449 I dont think so
@@marcodalfonso2449 haha very funny kid
More alfa stuff please
And Lancia !!
@@jareknowak8712 Wanna have a Lancia Musa or Ypsilon review?😐
@@Estrema939 At least Delta 1.8T 200hp, or 1.9TD 190hp.
@@Estrema939 yeah! Destroying terrible new Lancia series!
@@rachelmiglionico8121
Thema (from 2011) had 3,6L V6 286hp, and diesel with 240hp.
Still one of the best looking cars out there! Alfa Romeo really knows how to make beautiful cars!
IMO this is the most beautiful Alfa Romeo ever. When it comes to the exterior there is not a single weak spot, no bad angle.
And if it comes to interior, there is no good angle, not one good spot. Cheap plastics. 90s design.
If it comes to fuel economy or reability there is no better one, if you have the tow company.
@@Nitroat-xo4tj not gonna contest that... that interior is acceptable in full dark/black, otherwise the center console is fkin horrible
what ab the brera?
I mean the rear of the car could be a little less boxy
Sounds better than expected, but what you want is a 159 with the 1750TBi engine. I have a late, low mileage 159 TBi SW tuned by Squadra tuning, and it is properly quick from about 1800rpm.
I'm a simple man. I see Alfa. I press play.
Also a dumbass man, Alfa's suck your wallet dry. They are beautifull I give em that.
@@swansmeisterany car could be expensive if you buy broken car or unreliable enginge. And yes i have AF159 and i wouldnt replace for another car with the same budget
@@swansmeister did you ever own an alfa or are you just another idiot repeating like a parrot ? We have a 1.9 jtd 147 for 14 years now, 300k km, no big issues and I still go 1100km on one tank. And after 14 years, you still enjoy the drive. But hey, they're terrible amirite
@@dwade3202 there are always exeptions on the rule bit Alfa are problem cars, it's not an opinion but a fact. I like my c63 s204 also but it jas it share of problems and I am not such a fanboy that I couldnt say anything negative about the car I own. Alfa Romeo has the nickname Alfa Romelo over here for a reason.
@@swansmeister thats my point, exactly. literally audi bmw merc from the late 2000s break as hell too, but you see nobody having that reputation but alfa. My dream car is audi rs5 with the v8 and when I go and see how many issues the car can have it's crazy, but the reputation is intact. Idk why but its like people want alfa to fail and to re-enforce the belief they're crap. Sure, some parts are questionable, but I hate when they act its an alfa only problem. Buy a bmw v8 from the late 2000s, you're gonna go broke.
It may be slow, but it's 6 cylinder and it sounds fairly good. I have driven the Brera with this engine and actually quite enjoyed it.
@Hermann Froh Absolutely, that's also something you have to take into consideration. All in all it's very good and solid choice.
Italian invisible horses, beautiful sound, beyond beautiful looks. That's an Alfa!
Having this in a Brera, the fuel economy compared to the speed and power is laughable.... but the looks, the sound, the feeling it gives... priceless!
"Bad fuel economy". Man you drive on 4th gear, 200 km/h in red rev counter. Very smart. Put 5th , 6th gear.
It definitely is not a slow car. It's not a race car, but is has more than enough power under its belt. It's so easy to criticize...
I don't think that engine is running at its best. I'm not saying it's fast, but should be faster that.
Yup. Carbon build-up issues.
yeah i think it should be faster too. there's a video of a chipped 3.2 159 with 290hp. And while that is a +10% increase in power it did 0-100 in about 6s and 100-200 in about 15s. This one took almost 30s 100-200 which really is slow. Plus the chipped one hit 230 before the video stopped but would definetly break 240 when topped out. Probably something wrong with the car. Maybe carbon build up and in need of a retune?
definitely 8:06 its taking over 10 seconds for 20-100 kph. this car should do 0-100 in ´7 seconds flat.
Maybe some power problems?
@@nvl2691 Hey mate, another video of this car, another avalanche of crap comments. If you want to amuse yourself, read the comment thread under
" _MegaBaron91: Slow acceleration, high consumption, but it has an V6 and it's red! xD_ " comment where I had a "discussion" with some Jared Scott :-D
I agree 100% with the fact that is beautiful! Incredible stylish design!
The biggest “problem” with the 159 is that the best engine in its series is either the 1.750 petrol or the 2.4 diesel. The V6 was never considered to be a good petrol as it was made by Holden (sacrilege for any alfisti!), and the 2.2 petrol is too slow, as is the 1.9 diesel. I have driven the 2.2 and thought it was horrible, and I own a 2.4 since many years that I’ve pushed on the autobahn without problems up to 230. The top speed (on gps) that I’ve reached in the 2.4 was 245 km/h, meaning that something must be wrong with this V6 as it really seems slower than the 2.4 diesel that has 60 bhp less. Still a very pretty car, and I get plenty of comments on mine despite its 200K km on the clock and it’s tender age of 14 years.
No way that engine has 260hp...
I have 2.4 SW and can confirm what you are saying.Also 2.4 response is better,its torqueier hehe.
@@queenhelebron5717 it‘s a crap engine. especially compared to the real alfa v6
Absolutely the most beautiful wagon made!! I'll take a Q4 manual in green with tobacco interior! 😍😍
Driving a slow car fast is another kind of happiness:)
For the 159 the best option would be the 1.7tbi engine and then tune it with a stage 1 tune. But like you said, v6 engines are becoming more and more special even if they aint that fast
The 2.4 JTD 5 cylinder is good too. Avaible with awd and with a ECU it arrive quite Easy at 250-260 cv
No. V6 aint fast. Just look at the Giulia qv at 510 hp. Peanuts.
@@Mr995pippo oh yes i have one, its an automatic gearbox but igdaf, its so fun to drive. I'm thinking to manual swap it but ive heard that its very difficult even for poeple who understand alfas and everything, expesnive too, but my 166 is my love 😍
I have an Alfa Romeo 159 SW Q4 with a diesel engine 2.4 jdtm. 5 cylinders, 210hp. When i was on the high-speed road from St. Petersburg to Moscow, reached a speed of 210 km/h, but i felt that Alfa could do it faster, and I couldn't :)
Hello from Russia, sorry for my English. Good luck, AutoTopNL!
No way, I've driven a Brera 3.2 jts (so same engine) in stock mode for 4 months and I was flying. This car has problems.
The only V6 engine I love Is Busso ❤
But the Brera never had a Busso 🤦♂️🤷♂️
@@luba2425ify Indeed Sir, Busso wasn't eco- friendly so they used GM engines
@@luba2425ify he never said he drove a brera with a buso?
@@SOUNDSTORMGD then you haven't seen the V6 in the Giulia Quadrifoglio.
@@robertjusic9097 actually I have One... 😉
i had 159....sedan and diesel, but still very good car, i love it. turned heads in city bc not common in my country. always looked back after parking it and walking away :D
That particular Alfa is broken. Not the normal acceleration at all. You should know better as a car journalist. Yes the engine is not a busso v6 but GM but still. The acceleration is not normal.
156 2.0 Twin Spark takes 8.6 s to 100 and the top speed is just as seen in this vid. Has 155hp and the weight is 1375. Something is wrong with this one.
@@donaldfenner6891 for sure. My Brera 2.2 runs nearly 230 (speedometer, not gps) with 75hp less
I agree ☝🏻.
I own 159ti V6 and i go to 200 faster than this and it’s full stock mine is just saloon.
@@Wh04m1 Nooooice. Would love to get me some older alfa again. Only had twin sparks\boxers in the past. Is jts at least somewhat similar in character to TS?
If you never measure the time.properly for yourself, that what you get. Buy or borrow a draggy and try your car
I think the 1.8 TBI is most faster than this! Beautiful desing from Mr. Giorgetto Giugiaro
1.750 TBI not 1.8
@@marcinsquadracorse8021 thats the 1.8l mate
Maybe old Alfa 75 is faster too:)
@@marcinsquadracorse8021 Lol I am Engineer My Math sorry but is true I got damn to reduce 1.75 to 1.8
@@marcinsquadracorse8021 The engine called 1.8 TBI and not 1.750 !!!
Aussie engine Italian design, BRILLIANT and with an exhaust and some tuning that engine sounds amazing (its in the Holden commodore SV6)
Ah yes, the actually v4 Alfa we've seen often lately
V4?
@@milan5159 it's a joke on its performance
Looks like a Soviet nuclear ice-breaker.
😂😂
Go test the 1750 tbi. not that marchionnen Holden v6
wtf
@@215alessio Lets be real, that questionable deal with nasty GM V6 (and some inline 4) engines was already set in stone, when Marchionne came to FIAT in 2004.
However "Marchionnes V6" for Alfa Romeo is the F154 - in Giulia & Stelvio QV.
@@alfisti93 It really isn't nasty. It's just strangled by strict emission standards, and in the case of the car in the video, strangled by carbon build-up.
Now, the JTS is definitely not as enjoyable as the Busso, but it's much better than people make it out to be.
One of the best looking wagon ever.
Early direct injection petrol engines are known for clogging up with carbon, and losing power as a consequense... maybe this one suffers from that? The 159 was hugely compromised but it’s a beauty and the interior still looks very good today
For sure. Such low mileage on a 13 year old car - it's pretty much a certainty.
My thoughts too. Decoke it and put in a oil catch can.
It's strangely slow, too slow.
I've driven one and it had no hazzard reaching 240 km/h!🤔
Carbon build-up due to low mileage. Affects all direct injection engines.
same as 2.7 V6 Audi quattro xd
He didn't put on the 6th gear if you notice. He was on the 5th as he was trying to reach full speed
@@Ashraf.A What has this in common with the fact it's slow across the range?
@@JKV. No way. The 2.7 is twin-turbo so you need the glorious 147 or 156 GTA for that.
K bought one of these after many GTAs for £2500 can’t believe how good it is. GTAS are amazing but this is an amazing cruiser
Last Sunday I accompanied my fourteen year old son (159 employee 😁) to the "Quantum of Solace" rally on Lake Garda: 1 Aston Martin on the run and a pack of 70 Alfa 159s in tow, along the tunnels between Salò and Riva, bringing the scene of the life of the film oo7.
😂 funny.
(Aston from Great Britain, 159 from Italy, Austria, Slovakia, Denmark, Poland, NL, Switzerland, Slovenia, Romania, mostly black)
Unfortunately this 3.2 is the JTS engine that we call "mezzosangue" is very bad... this car and the Brera with the Busso V6 could be the best ever made after the GT
You should try a 159 ti TBI around some corners. It solves the weight problem and I consider it the perfect engine for this car. But unfortunately, it's not a v6. :(
Suppose it's one of the most beautiful vagon ever.
Yooo, this thing has a V6!
Soundcheck: 7:23
Drive: 7:44
Autobahn: 10:40
I own a 2.2 JTS as my daily its incredibly slow but its so comfortable and pretty perfect daily but you do need a second car to have some fun in
yeah i have it too, and it's rather boring engine indeed. That's why i upgraded to 3.2v6 166, now that is not boring at all :D But i still can't get myself to sell the 159, it's beautiful and comfy
I wasn't able to count the number of times you said "it's a V6" ahaaha
Fuel economy is horrible but its V6:):)
Damn it, I`ve had 215km/h on the clock of my 120HP diesel Croma. However this Alfa is a beauty and... it has a V6.
I’ve got this car in a sedan/saloon. I’ve had GTAs and other bussos. This is a much better cruiser and more reliable. Doesn’t sound as good but still sounds great.
Obviously there is a problem with the engine. This seems more like 160hp not 260hp.Probably due to carbon build-up.
AutotopNL nailed it
Nice to see you taking on these old horses! Well done!
Yes this Alfa is very nice ... I have Alfa Gt (2005), very nice too. 3.2 busso is master piece!
Man, how can it be so slow?! It feels like something with 2x less power.
Wonder if the engine has a problem, as mileage can’t be to blame.
Actually the (low) mileage IS the problem. It was probably used for lots of short trips and caused a lot of carbon build up which is choking the engine
@@deramon1000 Shorts trips and more importantly, huge time intervals between drives!
@@deramon1000 good point
Please take it to dyno test and inform us about results. Thanks!!
The transmission in that drivetrain eats allot of horsepower, it would be a treat to se how bad it is 😁
@@Johan-fw8re I believe that is also a problem, but I am afraid that the bigger problem is that the engine, at it best, does not achieve nearly the same power as it says on paper. This was even a problem with the old JTS engines in the Alfa Romeo 156 and GT. I may be wrong, but I think that’s the main problem, regardless of the weight of the car.
@@goranvego3 oh, i se 🙂
@@goranvego3 The issue isn't Alfa Romeo overestimating their power outputs - the JTS did make 260 hp when new. But carbon build-up has completely strangled this specific engine... thank you direct injection.
Commenting as we need to know
Bro in this video the 159 is slow because of the age of the car normally is a little faster mine makes 240km/h and 0-100 in 7 seconds
It should have come from factory the way one German car dealer modified it. They put a supercharger in and by that created about another 100hp giving it a total of about 360hp which fits it very well.
But the car isn't as heavy as many people tell. Sure thing 1760kg is a lot, but if compared to other mid-class cars of its era it isn't that heavy. An Audi A4 oder Mercedes C-Class also weigh about 1600-1800kg depending on the trim you chose.
they had a GTA version planned with a V8 - it was on the nurburgring a few times but it got cancelled after the economic crash. such a shame because that wouldve been awesome
Work of art
Something is wrong with this engine a have the same Alfa in black and it is not slow matte
It really has some type of engine problem, th acceleration is neraly the same as 1.9 JTDm and much slower than 2.4 JTDm.
Alfa Romeo has a spirit , a car that makes you to feel an amazing experience , isn't about top speed or fast acceleration , and those engines aren't a true Alfa ADN , And doesn't expect something impressive form those engines . The Gulia Qv V6 2.9 is a true Alfa ADN
I love Alfa Romeo car´s !!!
It is a beautiful car. Would suite my daily needs.
Unfortunately the 4 celinders diesels car benz , bmw doest much better. 😶 really disappointed with this V6! With 260hp!! with such a sporty sound
Are the timing chains reliable on these as I heard they can stretch over time and need to be replaced
I had a 2011 with a turbo on it and that was fast as flip boi but some of the older models aren't as fast but they are just as cool in my opinion
Hey, but it has a V6! 😂😂👍🏼
This car might have some serious issues between the direct fuel injection system and the lambda probe (emissions measurement). Wrong infos between both systems, which result in poor performance.
That precise alfa you're having on your channel may have some engine issues, because if you look on other 3.2 159 accelerations on you-tube they're much faster that that.
De intern gebruikte materialen zijn wel mooi. Veel hedendaagse auto's hebben goedkoop glanzend zwart plastic in het dashboard etc. Dat krast enorm. En ziet er m.i. erg cheap uit.
Ok ok you can drop this off at my driveway!
Very nice lines. Looks really good! 👍😁
It's a true alfa romeo, what could be wrong?Hummmm everything... Kkkk
Slow,but have a V6..KKKKKK
This car is absolutely beautiful.
I still regret mine sometimes... but then I remember why I sold it, the insane fuel consumption, worst is in the city at slow speed, I had an average of 22l/100km, very difficult to go under 11l/100km cruising on highway at legal speed. Sold because of that, I wasn't able to afford the thirst of this inefficient nightmare (refuel twice a week at some point)
I own the V6 sedan and, yes, it's a heavy ass car. It does 0-100km/h in 5,6sec but it doesn't feel like it. And fuel economy truly is absolutely awful. Despite all the "bad" stuff I still love it to bits. I call myself an alfista and it's my first ever car. I plan on doing stage 1 and fit a catback or something for the exhaust. There's potential!
first car? where do u live? in england theyd charge you about 30 grand to insure that lol
@@Archman155 Sweden. Cost me around £5600 with 134000km on the clock. Insurance is around £105 a month
@@Scyrixusdamn £1230 insurance a year for that would be impossible here. people are lucky to get that on a 0.9L toyota aygo with a black box, most of the time even higher lmao
nice video, 159 has a gm (LLT) engine from the holden commodore SV6.the engine is long stroke, the busso has a short stroke engine.
it is not the best engine. alfa did some tuning on it to make it a bit more sporty. it is such a dissapointment it lets it down a lot .
Thanks for the video! Love the car!
Bro love ur videosss❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Beautiful! I am waiting the review for Afla Romeo Giulia Veloce. Thank you!
You mean the Diesel or Petrol
The 2.0 Petrol with 280hp or the 2.2 with 210hp
@@jannisthali2421 petrol 2.0/280 HP
I have a refreshed giulia veloce 280hp. Awesome car, 3 series killer. Go for it, you wont regret it any bit
@@RanulfoKnox My Brother wants to buy this Car
I loved my 159
I have the 159 2.4 jtdm of course is more slow of this alfa on video but the top speed of my alfa is 245km/h and I don't touch the engine or work on this is only in good condition........for me the Alfa on video have problem........whenever W Alfa Romeo😉🍀😍❤
I actually want to take mine (same spec) to the dyno. It seems slow even for a heavy car. I actually think its more due to the awd system than the weight itself. I estimate it would come back with about 200 to the wheel max.
I’ve been waiting!!!!!
How would you fancy driving my 156 2.4 Ti Sportwagon, running 350hp. I am planning a European trip next year, I have 4 alfas which I will be taking
I love the 159 Alfa Romeo,very nice car with good immagine. Unfortunatly, the car was havy likes a tank. I think Busso V6 was a motor art,the V6 you test is poor of Power. Max, congratulation for your Channel,i like this. You have ti test the 159, 1.750, 200 hp..it's more focused for this car. Thanks.
It feels quite slow for 260hp (1700kg as he said in the video. A Saab 9-5 Aero (also 260hp) has about the same weight and is much quicker.
Let's look at the good sides: it is pretty heavy due to it being a very safe car for both front and rear passengers, 5-star rating at EURO NCAP, plenty of options on it (depending on the trim level you have), the 3.2, as far as I know, it is pretty reliable (never driven one tho) if you maintain it according to the service book, plenty of space inside, the sportwagon model is usually 50-60 kg heavier than the sedan version. The basic models have around 1.500 kg, they were designed to be comfortable, not sporty. Even so, they still pack some power under the bonnet.
+ 3.2JTS in good condition goes actually faster :)
BTW: Mine has written 1805kg in documents (SW Q4)
I don't think anyone will buy it after this review.
But hey, it has a V6.
Well, they reviewed a broken car with 30% less power than it should have, due to carbon build-up.
Really surprised they didn't notice it...
Hi guys I want to buy my first car and idk what model. So I love the sound of the Busso V6 (GTA Models). It could be a Brera or 159 too. I want to stay below 20k€. Are the models good in this price range?
I would really advise you to go for an alfa 159 1.9 jts with 160hp, or 2.2 with 180-190 hp. You can also get the 1.8 ti model but don't go over 10-11k€. I would go for the 1.9jts (160hp) with low mileage, very good consumption too! No need to go higher engine capacity as their performance doesn't change accordingly. These cars, except for their breathtaking design, are amazing for corners, if you wanna do mostly highway driving they are nice, but their sound insulation is not the best. For twisty roads these are like the Ferrari of the "poor"! I love my 156 and my father's 159! Forza Alfa!
@@TheLordofcod yeah really good cars and engines. My grandpa has a Alfa romeo spider (916) 2.0. What a great car. But im the sound type of guy i thought maybe a GTV 3.2 would be the right thing maybe but thanks for the advice I could look for some 4 cylinders too :)
@@Luca-vl6ep I'd recommend the GT 3.2 - pretty much a GTA without the name and price associated with it.
Won't be cheap for long though.
Could get a 166 3.2 TI too. I'm hesitating between that and a 159 3.2 Q4.
@@Luca-vl6ep are you a soundfreak? Haha! I would sacrifice the sound for the consumption and price, you can find amazing prices for 1.9 or 2.2 . You won't believe it. Oh! And check for the front tires for over wearing, it means that the previous owner didn't change front suspensions on time and he drove it aggressively (I don't judge him, I drive it crazy fast in the corners)
Dovrai tenerla come un gioiello però, c'è gente che dice che se le usi tutti i giorni le spacchi ma non è vero, devi trattarla da dio, nel mio paese c'è uno che usa una GTA per andare a lavoro da anni
Ik denk dat hier nog geen 200 pk meer in zit als je die teller zo langzaam ziet oplopen wtf 😕
Love the Brera styling on this one
I'm probably wrong but.. it doesn't really seem that much faster than my saab 1.9 diesel lol. Although i did drive this Alfa 1.9 diesel version and it was super responsive for a diesel.
Such a good looking wagon. Like it
But it does have a v6
Variable valve solenoids are not working on this car.
My uncle had one with a 1.9 diesel engine and it was going 215 km/h
IT´S SLOW, IT´S HEAVY, BUT HEY: IT HAS A V6.
& btw:
Most of Alfas have a really fantastic and intense driving experience, for the driver´s comfort and the view. Not every german-car (french, english-´merican, & so on) could offer something like that feelings: with some Alfas you rlly get the sense of connection to the car.
No matter if u are a novice or an older driver.
NICE V6 LOUDY SOUND BY 200-220 BTW DUDE, HEERLIJK
:D
It is not much slower, but the JTS has taller gearing and much more isolation material, which reduces the impression of speed. It is also slightly slower, but that is down to the couple extra kilos of the car. And purely the block is from GM, everything else is designed by Alfa. stoichiometric stands for the ideal ratio between fuel and oxigen. In my opinion this should have been part of your research.
before buying a car i come on this channel