Also Dany 100% was molested most of her life by her brother, we literally see some of it in the show. To find out she banged her nephew wouldn’t bother her in the slightest, it’s what her family is known for. Hell, even in the books she’s constantly pushed to marry people even remotely related to her.
Cersei just being Queen after killing the High Sparrow (who was widely liked) and Margaery (who was widely liked) and her own uncle (kinslaying is supposed to be a big deal) and a quarter of the city kind of ruined that whole plot arc for me. Like.. things like that used to have consequences and know they don't, which makes everything kind of pointless.
there was an entire season worth of consequences we could have seen from Cersei doing this - she killed a military strategist and patriarch of her house, the king, the queen who the smallfolk loved, the head of the religion that dominates the smallfolk, and a bunch of other characters, and there were ZERO fucking consequences for it lmfao
@@Flipitmixit Legitimacy is supposed to still be a thing and once again she pissed off a bunch of people. Nevermind that the Lannisters are broke, been fighting non-stop for a decade, and alienated all their allies.
It would have been OK if they had showed at least some hint of her covering it up by spreading rumors that it was remnants of the mad king. Maybe even use that to stew dissent against Daenerys. Maybe have a couple people not believe in the streets and have the mountain smoosh their head like that one flasher guy. Have some kind of mention of it at all. But noOoOo no time for that, gotta go catch a wight.
What makes it better is when talking about the Dothraki massacre scene Dumb and Dumber say, "what we're seeing is, essentially, the end of the Dothraki"
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 which is also dumb in itself because that's only the grown men. we have NO idea where they left their women and children. They kind of just... vanish. once Dany needs her men to fight. where's the rest of the population?? even without all the men respawning, their people can't all be dead when over half of the population is missing doing god knows what? and even after she dies and the respawned Dothraki are doing crimes all over the country, are they not gonna go back to their wives and kids eventually?? Dothrakies usually travel with their entire groups, I just genuinely don't believe these men are not at least a little bit worried about what's happening to the women and children while they're on war crimes vacation.
Even better when at the end seemingly the only purpose of there still being any Dothraki left is for two of them to nonchalantly stroll past Jon on his way to the ship that will take him back to the Wall without doing anything, even though Daenerys declared ALL members of her horde to be her bloodriders, meaning their only purpose in life should currently be to hunt down and slaughter her killer and then commit suicide themselves. Also we're supposed to buy that there would be no serious repercussions for the introduction of this culture of tribal, nomadic horseback raiders who largely don't speak the local language, openly practise slavery, operate on a might makes right system of ethics and politics and don't answer to any Westerosi authority anymore. Yeah, I'm sure those guys will just abandon their centuries old way of life and bow to a king and lords that they have no reason to respect and won't be causing problems for the smallfolk anywhere.
Death of Joffrey, Tyrion's trial, mountain vs viper, and then capping off with watchers on the wall. Season 4 is definitely one of the greatest seasons of television ever
If there's one silver lining i can get from the disaster of a final season, its that the various videos of script readings all show that the actors probably hated it as much as the audience did
I just like how it made mainstream audiences realize how bad the show got. As early as s6 the show was making insane mistakes (glovers told the Starks they were loyal to the boltons, despite the fact that the boltons killed their whole family in s2), but s8 was so blatant nobody could ignore it
Bless their hearts though, they did TRY to make the rubbish writing work on screen. Emilia Clarke has all of my Sympathies for the Bad hand she was dealt with in the final season.
Honestly, they did not "exhaust" the book material. They purposefully cut out important parts they didn't want to adapt. Even GRRM said that if they copied the five books one-for-one, they could have had at least ten seasons' worth of material.
What I think makes Robb's death during the Red Wedding most effective isn't that we care about Robb dying so much as we care about **Catelyn's son** dying. This whole region was really Catelyn's story, as she was the POV character in the book and present for most of the intrigue in Robb's camp and the West. So when you see Robb go down, you're really grieving with Catelyn, and it primes you for her death as well. I'll never forget Michelle Farley's scream.
The moment in season 7 where Sandor shows great sadness and buries the father and daughter he robbed 3 seasons earlier was one of the saddest moments of the series. Especially how Thoros of Myr asked if he knew them, then helped him bury them.
It all comes down to Tyrion. They made Tyrion a saint when he should've become a sinner. He should've been the one pushing Dany's buttons for total revenge on Cersei. He should've been the devil on her shoulder - before realising he's pushed her too far. As is - Dany has 2 angels on her shoulders (Tyrion & Jon) & decides to go the other way anyway. It comes outta nowhere. It all comes down to Tyrion.
You make a good point.. considering that in the books tyrion seems to be going that dark route, and the idea that GRRM laid out the ending for Daenerys turn but let D&D fill in the gaps. The piece they were missing was Tyrion's vengeance, they didn't wanna alienate viewers to the loveable underdog character that we've grown to love. But in the end, Tyrion does nothing but say "i have faith in her" for the last two seasons anyways.
@@nostalgiatrip7331 Exactly. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but they just didn't want to continue with Tyrion's "I should've let Stannis kill you all" mentality.
Yeeees. I mean, in the court scene he was consumed by hatred and later KILLED his father and lover, and suddenly he is being like “Cersei is not so bad” and “killing your enemies is wrong”?? Make it make sense.
i think Emilias acting got better after season 2, also remember watching bts footage and shes constantly asking the director for ...well.. direction in her line delivery, as time goes on i think she became a more skilled actress. also completely forgot about her major health issues at the time.
Plus later on the directors actually stopped her from giving Dany more nuance. They didn't even let her slouch in chairs even though that's something her character 100% would have done in the books
HUGE NOTE: Emilia Clarke suffered a brain haemorrhage just few weeks before the filming of season 2. A part of her brain was removed due to this and there was a risk of having another one soon. But she pushed on to the set in this very dry desert where she needed constant cooling. To me it's a surprise how she managed to even act on this season so quickly after the surgery and with another health risk on top of that.
In my opinion Emilia had a very strong presence on screen in season 1. After that Season 2 and 3 she was still good. Season 4,5,6 not as much in my opinion, basically the whole essos ruling situation didn’t really impressed me (acting wise) then season 7 and 8 she’s really good again. it’s hard to describe why so don’t quote me on that but i think it’s because she doesn’t really convince me as « ruler ». she’s more convincing when she’s trying to prove herself or directly facing adversity
She's not a skilled actor. The terminator movie was HORRIBLE and she's arguably the worst part of it. I'm not throwing shade at her it's just a fact. She isn't a good actor.
@@wadejohnston4305 so you dont like her peformance in one movie which makes it a fact that she is not a skilled actor? ^^ maybe you are extrapolating from your own opinion a bit too much? I think she perfectly matched the trashy tone of all terminator movies :)
One of my biggest complaints about the show is that Cersei basically blew up the Vatican killing the pope who was really popular with the people and the queen who was really popular with the people. How the hell does she become queen after this. Sure she has an army, but there are no mentions of people rioting or even protesting, meanwhile in season 2 Joffrey almost dies because the people aren't happy. The writers just forgot about consequences for a cool moment.
Her son also kills himself right after it, and it doesn't make sense to me that no one would think "well she killed the pope and the queen, I guess it makes sense she'd also kill the king to be next in line". they'd be wrong, yes, but it's the most logical conclusion. Wasn't kingslaying a big deal in the story? that's Jaime's whole deal.
Not only that, but while I get he's always been a mercenary, his sudden betrayal still came off as a surprise to me. He's spent most of the show bonding with Jaime and Tyrion. For money, yes, I get it. But still, you gotta show me him changing his mind before you have him threaten to shoot them both if they don't promise him a reward. It wasn't even a good surprise like a shocking or impactful plot twist, more of a "huh, really now" moment. Also, why did Tyrion make good on that promise? Once he got back to power, what was forcing him to make him master of coin instead of just.. killing him or banishing him for threatening him or something?
@@zoeb3573 Not only that, but how did he get to Winterfell from King's Landing so fast, how did he sneak past all of the Northern guards, did he really go to all that trouble for the sake of one conversation, and is he really going to just leave afterwards, somehow sneaking past all the guards again and going...where, exactly?
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the plot hole of Bran saying he could never be King since he’s the Three Eyed Raven, just for the next season to become King. Like, did they not check that beforehand?
That seriously made me think that Sansa would become Queen of all of the Realms rather than just the North with Bran as her Hand of the Queen. SHE had a more of an Arc that would have made her rise to power earned ( putting aside her poor treatment in Season 5).
@@nekusakura6748 It's tragic that those dimwits got paid to write such a shit ending and here you are, not getting paid anything and writing a better ending in a TH-cam comment
The whole Sansa and Arya set up Littlefinger subplot is so good on paper, but it really didn't land in execution. Like yes, season 6 ends with Sansa knowing she has to get rid of Littlefinger, and I don't think she could have done so by just snitching on him, so the idea of her laying out a trap, letting him think he was the one manipulating them was such a cool idea that wasn't given its due. Cause basically it all boils down to Bran just saying "yah it's all true" when Petyr is accused. The whole plot would have been so much more satisfactory if we had been misdirected as an audience, but with the last reveal showing us how in retrospective she was collecting the evidence and laying out the trap. This was the plot that could have so fully made use of Sansa and Arya's skills. Like imagine if Littlefinger had been all season believing he was talking with his agents keeping an eye on the sisters, to be revealed that Arya had been impersonating them for most of the time.
I like the idea of Arya impersonating Petyr's agents, but I always thought this plot should've been a call back to what Sansa learned from Tyrion, which is that you can be dishonorable to achieve honorable ends. It wouldve been so sick if Sansa had played Petyr and Aria. Because of Brans's logic-breaking power of knowing everything everywhere all the time, the plot wouldve had to have been that Sansa "kidnaps" Bran and tells Petyr it was Aria explaining she had spent so much time with the faceless men and the Hound and she wanted his power for herself. Alternatively, she tells Aria it was Petyr. She lays all of the evidence herself until Aria kills Petyr and then Sansa reveals she took Bran and needed Aria to kill Baelish. This would obviously hurt their relationship but Bran would explain that Petyr was too clever and there was no other way. I have written this over and over again in my head due to sheer frustration with how this plot played out. I agree with pretty much everything you said, though. A coupla jabronies in TH-cam comments coulda made this series actually worthwhile.
@@stackspace Mmm, I do think that thematically is just stronger if the sisters are working together, you know? To show that Petyr couldn't destroy the Starks. So while he spends the whole season believing he's finally succeeding in isolating Sansa from her sister, it truly is that both of them have been playing him. I just really like the idea of Sansa coming up with the plan and Aria lending her skills. So all they both learn in their journeys comes together, to avenge their family and make Petyr pay.
Meh, I think any plot Arya is in is almost entirely ruined. Like Bran she's too much of an xmen character for the plot to really have any suspense. Also Petyr after season 4 is just too much of a mustache twilry villian, he's like the obvious bad guy we used to see in those cartoons when we were 10, he's just too corny. And his plans are idiotic after a certain point they don't make any sense. Honestly this plot point was a waste of space, they were trying so hard to give Arya and Sansa something to do it felt way too forced and convoluted.
One of the few good things about the show omitting stuff is book readers can plug in details not being utilized in the show. Its like you can bridge the narrative with fanfiction that matches up with GRRM's intentions.
One note - Dany doesn't have a reaction of disgust to sleeping with her nephew because that's sort of what Targs did. A LARGE number of them married their direct sibling. Plus uncle/aunt married to niece/nephew is already established elsewhere in the cannon for her family so she likely grew up just thinking of it as normal. Her brother HAD to have spent the first 14 years of her life doing nothing but telling her stories of their history as she seemed to know a hell of a lot about it for someone who hasn't seen a member of her family outside her brother or ANYONE really who knew them since she was a literal infant so no doubt he included this part as well. Likely mentioned how if he didn't need to sell her to get an army - he would marry her himself to keep the bloodline pure and all that jazz
For real, in the source material Dany grows up thinking that she will be marrying her brother to continue their Targ heritage. It's only when Vicerys becomes desperate for an army that he sells her off to the Dothraki. Otherwise, she would have had to marry him.
Yeah but they ignored that precedent again with the new show… (spoilers) There’s no good reason for the King to deny Daemon’s proposal to marry Rhenera. There’s honestly not much reason for him to even be mad- the people aren’t going to revolt so who cares if they find out about her escapades, and if she marries Daemon, their affairs before their union wouldn’t matter to the other houses. I haven’t watched past episode 4, but for them to make a big stink about her making out with her uncle and then turn around and have her marry a cousin is so weird to me
@@LexieLouLou I think it was more like daemon already has a wife in the vale and therefore can't marry rhaenyra. Westeros can abide the targs incest but even in the North, men are expected to have one wife till death do them part
@@LexieLouLou I think it has to do more with the fact that Daemon always messes with Viserys so it again seems like just a way to insult his king and brother, not some way to solve the conflict, incest is not really a big deal for them, at least for Viserys who also was married at first to one of his close relatives He was even proposed to wed her with her own stepbrother and Viserys was more bothered that Aegon was a child at a time, not that they were siblings
@@Amandor2011 no, in Fire and Blood the reason why Daemon isn't allowed to remarry is because of his wife in the Vale. Also the Vaelyreons were skipped over multiple times and Corlys and Raena were very frustrated by this. Viserys needed to marry Rhaenyra off to Laenor to keep the peace. Plus they're family.
Benioff and Weiss are ENTIRELY to blame for the downfall of the series. The infamous “she just kinda forgot about the iron fleet” line in the post show just proves their incompetence without a book to follow. They deserve all the blame and hatred for killing such a brilliant show.
They literally stated that they just didn't want to keep making it so they rushed the final three seasons. It's incredible that they got work after that.
They rushed the final seasons because Disney asked them to come on for a star wars project down the line, but they botched Game of thrones so bad that Disney walked out of the deal.
@@thechemistamvs5033 tell me where you saw great decision making on her part either on the battlefield or on the "throne"?any moderately good decision came from her advisors clawing her back from making a angry rash one.
They did littlefinger dirty. The guy was _the_ gamer of thrones. He was mastermind behind everything that happened and everything and everyone danced on the pit of his finger (pun intended) and then he, being the paranoid plotmaster is, got thwarted by two sisters who never got along, haven't seen each other for several years and then managed to play him like a fiddle without even talking enough. It was so bizarre to see.
Fr, a big part of what I ADORED about the show and its genius technique for unravelling stories died when Littlefinger was wiped away so inconsiderately and just for a "omg Aria such a boss bitch pog little assassin sansa yas queen" moment for twitter. It abandoned everything and didnt commit to explain how someone so switched onto social and society dynamics like Littlefinger was bomboozled in such a lacklustre way. I just knew DND got handed a character with too much complexity they didnt understand or know how to kill off in a deserving and compelling way.
exactly! I was sooo shocked in the novel 'Storm of swords" to find this minor background guy was behind all of this. Also, I do hope it is revealed in the future books that Varys is a female Blackfyre in disguise trying to bring back young Griff! The books seem to support that, as a parody of the historical boys Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel who tried to overthrow Henry VII Tudor. Most of the plot point in the series are parodies of events in the 1460s-90s
@@woahblackbettybamalam thing is, that’s exactly why we know they *aren’t* hopelessly incompetent. They recognized that the original pilot was bad and fixed it. They *can* do good work. They just chose not to.
@@woahblackbettybamalam thing is, that’s exactly why we know they *aren’t* hopelessly incompetent. They recognized that the original pilot was bad and fixed it. They *can* do good work. They just chose not to.
I think the best way to have ended Dany's story would have been for her to burn the Red Keep and accidentally blow up King's Landing in the process. It's been well-established that there's still a tonne of wildfyre stashed away by King Aerys; burning the Red Keep could ignite the stashes and kill the whole city. We'd get to see her deal with that guilt, which is about 20x more interesting than what we got.
Only half way through the video, so maybe it's referenced later on, but that was the original script and what Emilia believed she was filming. They added in her massacre afterwards with CGI, with her only seeing it at the premiere, apparently with great embarrassment.
There's a theory that was the original plot. You can SEE where they CG'd in green fire (aka wildfire), which feels so out of place in the version we got - not to mention, that is literally what Emilia was told they were filming. She believed that was the plot up until she saw the premiere. So the theory goes that the plot was changed at the last minute, for some reason.
But remember that Cersei blew up the High Sparrow, it would seem (in)convenient that blowing up the Sept didn’t set off all the wildfyre b4 (but its still a better ending xd)
@@LordofFullmetal Also in the scene where Drogon is specifically burning kids in the streets you can see Dany isn't riding him so Emilia didn't film that scene and they just added it with CGI later. And they lied to Kit Harington too, they told him back in season 3 that Jon would be the one who kills the Night King, sometime in season 6 they changed their mind and told Maisie Williams it would be Arya but never told Kit anything. He didn't find out until the table read of 8x03! Remember just 4 episode earlier he was having another stare down with the NK after Dany saved him...All for nothing! And D&D knew it would be Arya but still wrote that scene in 7x06, I'd be pissed if I was Kit tbh. Jon really just became a plot device for them which became way more obvious in season 8. What I realised is those writers just didn't care. Didn't care about lying to the actors, didn't care about the story, the show, the viewers, the actors, everyone involved in making it etc to spend more time on it which HBO was handing out like free Candy plus free money! They didn't care about putting in enough effort to give the biggest show on TV the ending it deserved and I think they knew season 8 was an inconsistent, nonsensical, illogical mess before they put it out. But they just didn't care. That's what makes it still sad until this day, this thing we all loved so much was being handled by people who just didn't care about it.
Your final words about the world being kind of empty at the end reminds me of a dialogue between Jack Sparrow and Barbosa in pirates of the Caribbean 3 while looking at the corpse of the kraken B: the world used to be so much bigger, J: the world is still the same, there's just less in it. It's sad, very sad. Game of thrones used to have a world so rich and alive and by the end it was as if we were seeing a community theater written as a fanfic based on the books.
17.00 - 18.00 In the books the scene is exactly how you envisioned it. The moral lesson is not undermined, but Daenerys is just devastated. She punishes the Maegi even though she understands her message, because she blames her for ruining her life. When she walks into the fire, she wants to die. Only, the miracle happens, she gets the dragons, and instead of a tragic end this becomes the true beginning of her story: the rise to power of a leader who understands power's cost, and who constantly examines her actions to avoid becoming cruel like her husband, stupid like her brother, or naive like she used to be. Really didn't work out in the end but oh well
It really doesn't work as well as in the books as Dany, in the show, is never shown truly hesitant about anything. In the books you get her second guessing herself almost at every choice, but not in the show, no, here she is a stone cold badass who has a plan.
in the show they portrayed it like she already knew that she'd get her three dragons and become a badass by walking into the fire with her eggs. like right at that moment she had a plan and was putting it in motion
@@noneya3635 What other main characters were re-cast? Gregor Clegane? Daario? Tommen? Hardly important characters. Replacing Dany would've been a mistake, way too big of a character. If she wouldn't have been able to continue, sure. But just because she was a little off with her acting for a while? Not a chance.
@@Vario69 they had to refilm the pilot and basically no one had seen the pilot except some executives. Emilia aneurysm happened later, between seasons 1 ans 2. And replacing Daenerys a major character would have been a much bigger deal than replacing Daario or the Mountain.
Man, I never realized that back in season 1, Ned was actually speaking directly to the audience "Winter is Coming". He warned us right from the start that Winter would be awful, and oh boy was it ever. Incredible foreshadowing, really.
Oh please, you loved it just as much as everyone else when it first aired. You're just going along with the majority opinion. There was nothing wrong with the ending.
@@unropednope4644 thanks for informing me how I felt, good thing I have a total stranger like you to tell me the truth about my own opinions. Here, I could have sworn I hated it all as it aired, but now I just realize I was just influenced by the public opinion I hadn't read yet.
@@unropednope4644 it would actually be great to hear what you did like about the ending. And the hatred for the ending was pretty much instentanius, no?
@@unropednope4644 nah I fell off the train when cersei blew up the sept. That was a crack in the plot I wasn't able to overlook and it really ruined the feel of the show.
I think what broke me most is that I saw it coming. When they held the camera to the window as he walked to the left removing his crown, I knew he was gonna jump. And he didn't even jump, he just... allowed himself to fall. Shattering.
7:59 So I just started watching this show for the first time a couple months ago, and now that I've finished it, I've started making the rounds on GOT youtube content, lol. I came into the show completely unspoiled, and I specifically loved Ned in season 1 because of his dedication to honor. Even though it's a big fantasy trope, the "steadfast, badass noble lord who cares about those under his protection" is a completely unique character in GOT, and it very clearly made him the good guy. We didn't have to know he would die to want him to succeed.
Emilia Clarke suffered from two near-fatal brain aneurysms in 2011 and 2013, she didn't speak openly about it until recently. She lost portions of her brain which would explain why her acting was sub-optimal as the aneurysms occurred during filming of GoT.
Clarke's acting in season 2 was direction. After season 8 they did a massive interview with her where she said she had direction to act "cold" when she thought it was weird, and a lot of other issues. It was a terrible attempt at setting up the made queen, that they knew was coming (The actor didn't). Following the books she has like 4 chapters, so they kind of just made shit up. Season 1 is really tight because it follows a book that was supposed to be one of three. After that GRRM decided to write far more then 3, and it feels when reading the books as much as when watching the show. For all the problems the show has, when it had books to follow it followed them really well.
Don’t really agree with that last part considering they didn’t adapt 70% of books 4 and 5. Also ditching characters like Jayne pool and lady stoneheart, and cutting jaimes confession about Tysha created ripple effects that damaged several plotlines and character arcs. They adapted the first three books pretty well, and then kinda just said fuck it and dis their own thing
Can I just say I absolutely LOVE how the murder of Jeoffrey is shot as a murder mystery, with a smorgasbord of suspects with tons of motive appearing to establish alibis and presences, the murder weapon of the chalice getting drank from and poured out numerous times and left unattended multiple times to clearly establish when the cup was poisoned, a great big distraction for not only the victim and witnesses but *the audience themselves* to give the murderer their opportunity, and of course the subtle detail about Sansa's necklace vanishing which could easily be overlooked as continuity error, but is in fact the solution to the murder and the definitive evidence. Even though the murder is never properly investigated and ultimately the killer just has to confess to the audience, it is entirely possible to solve it with nothing but the footage from the episode.
"EVERYYYYYYOOOOONE!!!". I lost my shit... The simple and subtle ways you hilariously support your narration makes me a fan of your work. So glad I stumble upon your channel.
I enjoyed this video! Although I will say Dany does take her advisors advice but their advice is bad xD. Especially because ultimately if she had just used the dragons at king’s landing first she would have been able to take the city very easily. The idea that she couldn’t without massive casualties only relied on the people of Kings Landing rallying behind Cersei … which they have zero reason to do.
Shes the daughter of a lunatic, has 3 nuclear weapons, has an army of savage horse lords and slaves, has burned a well-respected noble and his son alive, and she hasn't lived in Westeros since she was a baby. I think there are plenty of reasons people would take Cersei over Dany
i just realized this while watching but i think stannis killing shireen was based on a story of a greek king/general killing his daughter during the trojan war for better sailing weather so they could attack troy…and it worked. that would be really cool if they intentionally paralleled that edit: wikipedia confirmes yes they did LMAO
You are referencing the story of Iphigenia. And yes in a sense there is such a parallel that will probably go similarly in the books, but I doubt that D&D actually thought about that at all
My favorite part of this retrospective is when Slip Maker points out how small westeros felt in the latter seasons due to no new characters being introduced to replace all the major characters who were killed off, because it highlights what all the great characters who were left out of the show could have provided had they been included. Had the Wall, Iron Born, and Dorne storylines not been gutted of supporting characters and attendant subplots they could have been just as compelling as anything that happened in Kingslanding. As they were in the books.
1:40:52 why would she be disgusted tho? Her parents and grandparents were literal full-blooded siblings😅 Didn’t she expect to be married to Viserys before she was sold to Khal Drogo? But loved your video. Loved every minute!
It's weird how good first seasons are, even the original content written by D&D. After watching the last seasons, you'd think they're too stupid to string two sentences together. I guess they were so nervous and afraid at the beginning, because they were beginner film makers, so they leaned heavily in Martin's work and really took care of the world building. I don't know what happened during season 4-5. Maybe their egos just got a huge boost and they thought they could do no wrong, maybe Dunning-Krueger effect kicked in full force, maybe they just stopped caring, I don't know... But never have I ever seen such drop in quality in any other tv-show.
@@raymondsims7042 I was actually planning on rewatching it at some point in the near future. I didn’t have a clue what it was trying to get across if anything the first time, was vibey though.
@@FLIGHT.1 😂😂trust me man it has no point and is getting nothing across. I’ve never seen anything as bad and weird as that. Good luck sitting through a rewatch man the return was 18 episodes of just weirdness.
The honorable thing for Rob Stark to do would have been keep his word and marry the woman he was promised to, not marry for love. So, being unlike his father actually would lead to his downfall, not being like his father
The “being like his father” aspect was with how he treated the Karstarks. He only needed to go back and grovel with Walder Frey in Season 3 because he executed Lord Karstark, despite everyone telling him not to. Honour compelled him to do so, but the consequences were that he lost half his army and the only house he could replenish them with were the Freys.
What? He married her out of honor not out of love. He barley knew the girl but took her virginity so he felt it was his duty and the honorable thing to do was to marry her. He was acting just like his father. DONT COMMENT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
What? He married her out of honor not out of love. He barley knew the girl but took her virginity so he felt it was his duty and the honorable thing to do was to marry her. He was acting just like his father. DONT COMMENT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
@@economicerudite4924 I don’t think he had a choice in what he did to Lord Karstark. But marrying that random pretty lady when he is betrothed to the Frey girl… I mean, what did he expect?
Robb Stark was infact one of my favorite characters among Tywin, Oberyn Martell, Ned Stark,Jon Snow, The Hound, and Jamie, I enjoyed watching his tragic downfall and really connected with his story and thank you for apologizing lmao.
As a sexual abuse survivor, it does not make you a bad ass, it scars you deeply, often so deeply you don't realize the damage done until years if not decades later.
It's frankly pretty disgusting how the show portrays it, yes. How the show can go "It doesn't matter, Cersei actually loves Jaime deep down" and "It was the catalyst that helped Sansa become her true Girlboss self!" isn't talked about enough.
People react to life experience and trauma differently. You dont get to speak for all sexual abuse survivors, some people are able to break out of victim mentality and use trauma to strengthen their will.
Also worth thinking about now in the shows universe, rape and SA are just way more common. Not that they’re not traumatic, but when it’s so commonplace it would force a lot of people into a mentality that doesn’t allow for such vulnerability
Robb wasn't my favourite character, but I liked and supported him much more in the books. In the books I strongly felt he deserved to win his battle and that he was wise and just, the show made his decisions seem more foolish and reduced the tragedy of his death.
One of those things I never hear anyone point out. At the 49.41 mark, Bron says "when have you risked your life for me" Tyrion did - when they were walking thru the Veil and shagger and his crew have them surrounded, Shagger says "keep the imp, kill the other" Tyrion steps up and saved Bron right there. Anyway, great job on this retrospective, I don't agree with all the points but it's a heavy load to lift to break this show down and you did one hell of a remarkable Job!
39:29 The Queen of Thorns is Marjorie's grandmother, not her mother. We know that because she calls her "Grandmother" multiple times, and we know that Marjorie's father is the son of Elena Tyrell.
Never had an issue with Emilia Clarke’s acting. Never considered any acting to be bad unless it was so over the top or in a way I can’t expect anyone to ever be. Not everyone is nuanced or has a cryptic way about them. Some people are just straight forward and are completely able to be straightforward regardless of what their situation is.
Like Harington I think she failed when it came to the emotional scenes. Emilia can actually fake cry tho so maybe it was the directors telling her not to but idk why they would do that.
Agreed, I thought was fine. Also keep in mind in season 2 she was still recovering from a serious illness between seasons. She was a trooper in season 2 considering.
@@juliohinojosa6923yeah I think the lad in the video is saying she’s “bad” at acting compared to the rest of the cast. I don’t actually agree with that but I can see what I think he’s saying. Like she’s not as great theon, tyrion, Cersei, Jamie, tywin, Joffrey , olenna etc… actors/actresses are. But to me her and kit Harrington and about on the same level acting wise. Not great but definitely not bad
You seem to have missed a major part of season 1's draw. Ned's story arc is a STORY arc. In most stories the badass good guy is going to triumph despite impossible odds precisely because he's the good guy. Killing him off in the first season was a huge shock to everyone used to the trope. That was the moment that cemented Game of Thrones as a unique story where no character is safe.
He misses beyond to much to be taken seriously also his comprehension of character motives in why they do what they do went over his head putting in question his credibility to even be able to critique this show
@@razorreacts1723yeah the lad in the video doesn’t get it at all. Game of thrones took tv by storm killing Ned stark off like that. I’ve never seen something so shocking and well executed like that in tv before. But this lad just brushed past it. I don’t like this review
@@NephritduGrey I'd just call that good casting. No matter what happened we'd be surprised as long as Ned didn't turn into some doomed mentor for John.
It would have been amazing if we had Tyrion in the final season finally hear the truth about Tysha and learns that Cersei let his child work in a brothel instead of telling him. This would have definitely been a point that could have easily made Tyrion push Dany into burning Kings Landing.
I thought at first that the Night King could only raise those he/his wights have killed. When the dead in the crypts started to rise I was so confused. Like, "then why would they have them hide down here?". I assumed maybe they thought the same thing 🤷🏿♀️
I thought they'd come alive but I didn't think they'd break out. They're in stone crypts, how the heck are they punching their way thru yet they can't kill Sam when they're on top of him? They don't even have any muscle left on their bodies, they're all bones so where does their freakish strength even come from?
I honestly thought the noncombatants would be safe in the crypts because most of those bones are centuries old and mostly dust, besides being in heavy stone boxes. Ned’s body is the most recent addition but he was disconnected bones, and the zombies need connective tissue to move. I thought it was too obvious and too dumb to have the dead of Winterfell rise. But NOPE
I spent the first few seasons wishing for him to die already and then when he finally got killed I wished he was still there to deal with all that bullshit, because unlike his brother he would have NEVER let that shit slide. Even if he doesn't genuinely care for Margaery, he wouldn't let them just steal his queen without his permission, he wouldn't let them take power in the city over him, he wouldn't let his mother do whatever she wanted... Margaery also would have an easier job convincing him to help her free her brother than Tommen because Tommen was still too young and innocent and focused on mama.
Thank you for making this, it was a lovely walk down memory lane, When GOT first came out I was a senior at university and now I'm turning 32 on Saturday.
Always looked at the lack of battles early on as very deliberate, as it was the dialogue and politics that were the heart of the story. I remember being impressed by the restraint D&D had- before maybe beliveing it was all just budget concerns. It's like they knew their story had to impress because they couldn't rely on action... my how the turn tables. GREAT video btw! Been binging your retrospectives.
Given she survived two brain aneurysms around the time of S2 that by all rights should have killed her, her ability to even walk let alone act is pretty damn amazing
She had some seriously cringe inducing scenes because of how poor her acting was at times. I think most people seriously over rate her acting in the series
So in the scripts for the massacre at kings landing, Dany was supposed to do exactly what Slip Maker suggested he thought she'd do in the video - start massacring lannister soldiers while making her way towards Cersei. Certainly not exactly moral, but not stone cold evil either. However, the dragonfire set off the wildfire that the mad king had placed around the city, and that is what causes the thousands of deaths. Not only is this more in line with what we already know about Dany as a character, but it makes her death that much more tragic when you consider that Jon may have killed her when it became apparent to him she felt no remorse despite the deaths that she caused - accidentally, but still. It adds some moral greyness that was absolutely needed. The worst thing though? I read somewhere that David and Dan changed the massacre in post production. Emilia Clarke believed that up until the premiere screening of the episode, what was in the script was what was going to happen on screen. That's why we don't see Emilia Clarke herself after the massacre begins - because it was an edited CGI fest that wasn't in line with what Dany was supposed to be actually doing. It would have been interesting to see her reaction to the wildfire blowing up the city, and I reckon that's what they filmed, and it'll be on the cutting room floor somewhere. Honestly, the embarrassment and disappointment she must have felt when she saw it for the first time must have been overwhelming. Poor Emilia. Deserved so much better.
the speech she gives at the beginning is really a top 10 moment in the show its so underrated. the amount of suspense she built & questions we almost were scared to get answers of….. if only they didnt ruin the WW’s
I think your dig on Amelia Clark’s acting for season 2,3,4 can be explained easily by the fact that she had surgery after season one on a brain bleed, but needed 2 more. She had massive migraines and was extremely sick during those seasons. I think she did her best… and when she finally recovered her acting stepped up radically.
The one really great thing to come out of the horrific tailspin this once great show went through is that both of those morons in charge lost their chances to make a Star Wars movie. Trying to rush GOT to the finish line was such a slap in the face to any fan of the show.
This makes me just want the Better Call Saul retrospective that much more. Especially when you compare how GoT follows most shows arcs: worse over time, not better - BCS just got better with each season, never dropped the ball.
This was so well done. I might not have agreed with everything you said but I sure as shit respect you for it. Some points also opened my eyes too. Well done, sir!
I was actually OK with not seeing the battle in season 1. Since we didn’t expect high budget battle spectacles at the time. It felt fine… Like good old fashioned storytelling.
The Hobbit (book) pulled the same schtick too. Bilbo gets hit on the head in the first two minutes of the Battle of Five Armies, is unconscious the whole time, and gets filled in on the events after it’s all over
I will say in the books Tyrion tenure as Hand of the King is far less him being 12 steps ahead, as him barely being more skillful than Ned. He manages to get over the more incompetent players that are Cersei and Pycell, mostly by doing so alienating potential allies, Cersei being his sister and Pycell a Lannister lackey. His attempt at Justice just see him removing Littlefinger pawn to have him replacing him with Varys pawn, and Varys and Littlefinger running circles around him while Tyrion is too busy self congratulating. For example when Tyrion do his letters plot to find the traitor who give information to Cersei Varys outright tell Tyrion he know exactly what he’s doing yet Tyrion still think he played him for some reasons, and for it he end up having to reward with an absurdly large Lordship to Littlefinger for what was overall relatively minor actions. And he’s still very much a villain. He knows he work for the bad side but doesn’t care, he doesn’t have any regrets for the war crimes his side his committing, etc.
Yeah, I don't think the writers got Tyrion, he was a villain (and that's coming from GRRM) In the books they're setting Tyrion up as the devil on Dany's shoulder, he's plotting to bring fire and blood to Westeros and his only want in life is to kill Cersei and Jaime.
Emelia Clark seems like such a sweet and genuine person. I hope she is able to stay healthy and do all she intends with her life. Her candid interviews really show her to be super relatable and thankful for her life.
Say what you want, but STILL some of the best TV ever made. Practically every episode in season 2 and 3 are iconic. Every scene shot is masterful, loaded with near perfect casting, dialogue, and acting. I could watch season 1-4 and maybe even 5 over and over again. Yes they totally fucked up the ending but don't discount the attention to detail in the majority of the series.
Agree with most of what you’ve said but there’s a few characters I think they got seriously wrong in both casting and writing. The main one for me is Cersei, in the books one of her absolute key character traits is that every man wants her and she uses that sex appeal to manipulate them. I don’t think she does this once in the series and I’m not sure Lena Headey was the right cast for that personality type. She did fantastic with what she was given though. Other more minor characters who were seriously miscast were Mance, Renly/Loras (Renly in particular is butchered in the show), Mace Tyrell (who is a bumbling idiot rather than a proud and prickly lord) and Jorah (who they make farrrrr more likeable in the show.
@@lewisthorpe9818you’re nitpicking mate. Who cares if Cersei was different in the show , she put on one of the best performances in tv history 🤷♂️ and no question about that she was phenomenal and gave the character more depth in my opinion. Also Jorah not being a pervert even though he still kind of was is fine with me.
The show does exsplain why Danny burned the witch. Death gives life so her death gave life to the dragons. The show did it justice but yes, they could've explained it more with a few more lines from danny in the show. The books explain it. Also we hear about danny and her dragons in Westeros from season 1 to season 7,they always mention that. King's landing always knows in the show. It always feel like the same place,not the moon lol
Cersei getting away with blowing up the sept reminds me of crusader kings stats lol -50 Kinslayer -50 Murdered Friendly Vassal -100 Murdered Pope... she would've been underwater if these things actually had consequences
We stan Emilia Clark bc she has 2 brain aneurisms between 2 different seasons and still came back to slay Queen Daenerys. There are very few episodes where her acting is ehh even after all that going on in her personal life.
“I haven’t told anyone else yet. So now you’re going to flee to a life of obscurity and not use your power and wealth against me, the only one who’s figured out your secret. Right? Pinky promise?”
Stannis saves the Night's Watch by defeating Mance Rayder and then Mance's army becomes Jon Snow's army which he uses to recapture Winterfell in the Battle of the Bastard's. Also when Stannis is attacking Winterfell it gives Sansa and Theon a chance to escape. So stannis still had a part to play.
I'm not sure why the Rachet and Clank 2 Megacorp soundtrack plays in the background of this but, for the sheer nostaglia, and for the bizarre sense of pride I felt at immediately knowing a song from a game I haven't played in 15, years I very, very much appreciate it
No way, I literally just finished watching it for the first time like a couple of weeks ago. I have no idea why I didn't get a notification for this, I would'e watched it instantly.
She isn't creeped out by doing her nephew because she's from a family that normalized incest. To her it's likely only creepy because he's only remotely related not a true brother.
Emilia Clarke had a stroke just before season 2 started. That’s not a joke, it actually explains a lot about her performance in especially season 2.
I could swear it was an aneurysm
@@chonchjohnch she has a charity dedicated to stroke recovery and rehab so I'm assuming that
It was a brain aneurysm
Kinda unfortunate they extended the Qarth storyline. They had the perfect excuse to keep it book length.
Whaaat
"Deanerys doesn't seem at all disgusted to find out she has been sleeping with her nephew". Bro her parents were siblings lol.
Also Dany 100% was molested most of her life by her brother, we literally see some of it in the show. To find out she banged her nephew wouldn’t bother her in the slightest, it’s what her family is known for. Hell, even in the books she’s constantly pushed to marry people even remotely related to her.
She grew up thinking she would marry her brother
Her grandparents were siblings as well
Targs gonna targ
even if they weren't targs i'm sure Westeros definition of incest is just full fledged siblings 💀💀
The ending essentially boils down to "The real Game of Thrones was the friends we made along the way".
Fax
Its still not over!!! "slowly puts on clown make up"
If you think about it, this story has always lacked focus. It always feels like there's a dozen different plot lines happening at the same time.
@@ThePreciseClimber Yes and?
@@ThePreciseClimber you make this sound like this is a bad thing. ^^
Cersei just being Queen after killing the High Sparrow (who was widely liked) and Margaery (who was widely liked) and her own uncle (kinslaying is supposed to be a big deal) and a quarter of the city kind of ruined that whole plot arc for me. Like.. things like that used to have consequences and know they don't, which makes everything kind of pointless.
there was an entire season worth of consequences we could have seen from Cersei doing this - she killed a military strategist and patriarch of her house, the king, the queen who the smallfolk loved, the head of the religion that dominates the smallfolk, and a bunch of other characters, and there were ZERO fucking consequences for it lmfao
Wasnt that kinda the point. She took the throne by force and ruled by use of fear. Making her the opposite of Dany. Until season 8
@@Flipitmixit Legitimacy is supposed to still be a thing and once again she pissed off a bunch of people. Nevermind that the Lannisters are broke, been fighting non-stop for a decade, and alienated all their allies.
i thought she had become a feared ruler and hated by lords and the common people. but we never see any of that soo....
It would have been OK if they had showed at least some hint of her covering it up by spreading rumors that it was remnants of the mad king. Maybe even use that to stew dissent against Daenerys. Maybe have a couple people not believe in the streets and have the mountain smoosh their head like that one flasher guy. Have some kind of mention of it at all. But noOoOo no time for that, gotta go catch a wight.
I like the respawning Dothraki at the end. Totally didn't just watch them all get killed.
What makes it better is when talking about the Dothraki massacre scene Dumb and Dumber say, "what we're seeing is, essentially, the end of the Dothraki"
Someone pressed start on the player 2 controller
They just kind of forgot they died.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 which is also dumb in itself because that's only the grown men. we have NO idea where they left their women and children. They kind of just... vanish. once Dany needs her men to fight. where's the rest of the population?? even without all the men respawning, their people can't all be dead when over half of the population is missing doing god knows what? and even after she dies and the respawned Dothraki are doing crimes all over the country, are they not gonna go back to their wives and kids eventually?? Dothrakies usually travel with their entire groups, I just genuinely don't believe these men are not at least a little bit worried about what's happening to the women and children while they're on war crimes vacation.
Even better when at the end seemingly the only purpose of there still being any Dothraki left is for two of them to nonchalantly stroll past Jon on his way to the ship that will take him back to the Wall without doing anything, even though Daenerys declared ALL members of her horde to be her bloodriders, meaning their only purpose in life should currently be to hunt down and slaughter her killer and then commit suicide themselves.
Also we're supposed to buy that there would be no serious repercussions for the introduction of this culture of tribal, nomadic horseback raiders who largely don't speak the local language, openly practise slavery, operate on a might makes right system of ethics and politics and don't answer to any Westerosi authority anymore. Yeah, I'm sure those guys will just abandon their centuries old way of life and bow to a king and lords that they have no reason to respect and won't be causing problems for the smallfolk anywhere.
Death of Joffrey, Tyrion's trial, mountain vs viper, and then capping off with watchers on the wall.
Season 4 is definitely one of the greatest seasons of television ever
not to mention the banger finale
If there's one silver lining i can get from the disaster of a final season, its that the various videos of script readings all show that the actors probably hated it as much as the audience did
I just like how it made mainstream audiences realize how bad the show got. As early as s6 the show was making insane mistakes (glovers told the Starks they were loyal to the boltons, despite the fact that the boltons killed their whole family in s2), but s8 was so blatant nobody could ignore it
@@fort809 that was like the least of the mistakes in s6 but i do get your point
Bless their hearts though, they did TRY to make the rubbish writing work on screen.
Emilia Clarke has all of my Sympathies for the Bad hand she was dealt with in the final season.
@@nekusakura6748 if I remember correctly, fans actually organised a big fundraiser for her SameYou charity which was really sweet
@@Lynch2507 By bad hand, I mean the Writing for her character.
The Fan Support for her is genuinely great though.
Honestly, they did not "exhaust" the book material. They purposefully cut out important parts they didn't want to adapt. Even GRRM said that if they copied the five books one-for-one, they could have had at least ten seasons' worth of material.
Imagine they actually used young griff 😭
@@caydenl.4878 and Lady Stoneheart
@@caydenl.4878 and feast for crows
Dance for Dragons
Nah
What I think makes Robb's death during the Red Wedding most effective isn't that we care about Robb dying so much as we care about **Catelyn's son** dying. This whole region was really Catelyn's story, as she was the POV character in the book and present for most of the intrigue in Robb's camp and the West. So when you see Robb go down, you're really grieving with Catelyn, and it primes you for her death as well. I'll never forget Michelle Farley's scream.
AGREED, everybody especially Michelle's acting SOLD IT.
The DVD commentary with Richard Madden and Michelle Fairley features the two of them just sobbing through the whole scene.
Idk I hated Catlyn. If Rob just left her home where she belonged he'd likely have lived and won.
@@thorCastexcept for the fact that he was killed due to his own mistakes lmfao
@@imnotpaulavery7608well yeah his own mistakes but she didn’t make anything easier. She was just as dumb. 😂
The moment in season 7 where Sandor shows great sadness and buries the father and daughter he robbed 3 seasons earlier was one of the saddest moments of the series. Especially how Thoros of Myr asked if he knew them, then helped him bury them.
Great underrated scene
God that scene killed me 💔
Yes - as flawed as the 2 last season's are they did have some moments that were absolutely stellar. That one is definately one of them.
That scene hit me too. The Hound was one of my favorite characters.
@@trevabrodt688Hound, more like the GOAT!! 😎👍
Olenna Tyrell isn't Margery's mother, she's her grandmother. Her son is Margery's dad, you actually see him a few times.
"Not now Mace! Lord Tywin and I are speaking"
@@ljb8157 absolutely love that scene 😂
yeah, guys is like they should have done this! and then he doesnt even know basic character relationship lmao
She even says “grandmother please!” a couple times
and Margerys mother was a Hightower!
It all comes down to Tyrion.
They made Tyrion a saint when he should've become a sinner. He should've been the one pushing Dany's buttons for total revenge on Cersei. He should've been the devil on her shoulder - before realising he's pushed her too far.
As is - Dany has 2 angels on her shoulders (Tyrion & Jon) & decides to go the other way anyway. It comes outta nowhere.
It all comes down to Tyrion.
You make a good point.. considering that in the books tyrion seems to be going that dark route, and the idea that GRRM laid out the ending for Daenerys turn but let D&D fill in the gaps. The piece they were missing was Tyrion's vengeance, they didn't wanna alienate viewers to the loveable underdog character that we've grown to love. But in the end, Tyrion does nothing but say "i have faith in her" for the last two seasons anyways.
@@nostalgiatrip7331
Exactly. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but they just didn't want to continue with Tyrion's "I should've let Stannis kill you all" mentality.
"Tyrion is the key to all this" George Lucas said calmly
Also Tyrion murdered his father but still maintains a bromance with Jaime. So annoying
Yeeees. I mean, in the court scene he was consumed by hatred and later KILLED his father and lover, and suddenly he is being like “Cersei is not so bad” and “killing your enemies is wrong”?? Make it make sense.
i think Emilias acting got better after season 2, also remember watching bts footage and shes constantly asking the director for ...well.. direction in her line delivery, as time goes on i think she became a more skilled actress. also completely forgot about her major health issues at the time.
Plus later on the directors actually stopped her from giving Dany more nuance. They didn't even let her slouch in chairs even though that's something her character 100% would have done in the books
HUGE NOTE: Emilia Clarke suffered a brain haemorrhage just few weeks before the filming of season 2. A part of her brain was removed due to this and there was a risk of having another one soon. But she pushed on to the set in this very dry desert where she needed constant cooling. To me it's a surprise how she managed to even act on this season so quickly after the surgery and with another health risk on top of that.
In my opinion Emilia had a very strong presence on screen in season 1. After that Season 2 and 3 she was still good. Season 4,5,6 not as much in my opinion, basically the whole essos ruling situation didn’t really impressed me (acting wise) then season 7 and 8 she’s really good again. it’s hard to describe why so don’t quote me on that but i think it’s because she doesn’t really convince me as « ruler ». she’s more convincing when she’s trying to prove herself or directly facing adversity
She's not a skilled actor. The terminator movie was HORRIBLE and she's arguably the worst part of it. I'm not throwing shade at her it's just a fact. She isn't a good actor.
@@wadejohnston4305 so you dont like her peformance in one movie which makes it a fact that she is not a skilled actor? ^^ maybe you are extrapolating from your own opinion a bit too much? I think she perfectly matched the trashy tone of all terminator movies :)
One of my biggest complaints about the show is that Cersei basically blew up the Vatican killing the pope who was really popular with the people and the queen who was really popular with the people. How the hell does she become queen after this. Sure she has an army, but there are no mentions of people rioting or even protesting, meanwhile in season 2 Joffrey almost dies because the people aren't happy. The writers just forgot about consequences for a cool moment.
Her son also kills himself right after it, and it doesn't make sense to me that no one would think "well she killed the pope and the queen, I guess it makes sense she'd also kill the king to be next in line". they'd be wrong, yes, but it's the most logical conclusion. Wasn't kingslaying a big deal in the story? that's Jaime's whole deal.
Let's not forget making Bronn master of coin. You know, the guy who literally says he knows nothing about money in season 2.
Not only that, but while I get he's always been a mercenary, his sudden betrayal still came off as a surprise to me. He's spent most of the show bonding with Jaime and Tyrion. For money, yes, I get it. But still, you gotta show me him changing his mind before you have him threaten to shoot them both if they don't promise him a reward. It wasn't even a good surprise like a shocking or impactful plot twist, more of a "huh, really now" moment. Also, why did Tyrion make good on that promise? Once he got back to power, what was forcing him to make him master of coin instead of just.. killing him or banishing him for threatening him or something?
@@zoeb3573 Not only that, but how did he get to Winterfell from King's Landing so fast, how did he sneak past all of the Northern guards, did he really go to all that trouble for the sake of one conversation, and is he really going to just leave afterwards, somehow sneaking past all the guards again and going...where, exactly?
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the plot hole of Bran saying he could never be King since he’s the Three Eyed Raven, just for the next season to become King. Like, did they not check that beforehand?
That seriously made me think that Sansa would become Queen of all of the Realms rather than just the North with Bran as her Hand of the Queen.
SHE had a more of an Arc that would have made her rise to power earned ( putting aside her poor treatment in Season 5).
You think that D & D really cared by that stage...?
They just kinda forgot...
Said he would not be Lord…. He became a king
@@nekusakura6748 It's tragic that those dimwits got paid to write such a shit ending and here you are, not getting paid anything and writing a better ending in a TH-cam comment
The whole Sansa and Arya set up Littlefinger subplot is so good on paper, but it really didn't land in execution. Like yes, season 6 ends with Sansa knowing she has to get rid of Littlefinger, and I don't think she could have done so by just snitching on him, so the idea of her laying out a trap, letting him think he was the one manipulating them was such a cool idea that wasn't given its due.
Cause basically it all boils down to Bran just saying "yah it's all true" when Petyr is accused. The whole plot would have been so much more satisfactory if we had been misdirected as an audience, but with the last reveal showing us how in retrospective she was collecting the evidence and laying out the trap.
This was the plot that could have so fully made use of Sansa and Arya's skills. Like imagine if Littlefinger had been all season believing he was talking with his agents keeping an eye on the sisters, to be revealed that Arya had been impersonating them for most of the time.
I like the idea of Arya impersonating Petyr's agents, but I always thought this plot should've been a call back to what Sansa learned from Tyrion, which is that you can be dishonorable to achieve honorable ends.
It wouldve been so sick if Sansa had played Petyr and Aria. Because of Brans's logic-breaking power of knowing everything everywhere all the time, the plot wouldve had to have been that Sansa "kidnaps" Bran and tells Petyr it was Aria explaining she had spent so much time with the faceless men and the Hound and she wanted his power for herself. Alternatively, she tells Aria it was Petyr. She lays all of the evidence herself until Aria kills Petyr and then Sansa reveals she took Bran and needed Aria to kill Baelish. This would obviously hurt their relationship but Bran would explain that Petyr was too clever and there was no other way.
I have written this over and over again in my head due to sheer frustration with how this plot played out.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, though. A coupla jabronies in TH-cam comments coulda made this series actually worthwhile.
@@stackspace Mmm, I do think that thematically is just stronger if the sisters are working together, you know? To show that Petyr couldn't destroy the Starks. So while he spends the whole season believing he's finally succeeding in isolating Sansa from her sister, it truly is that both of them have been playing him.
I just really like the idea of Sansa coming up with the plan and Aria lending her skills. So all they both learn in their journeys comes together, to avenge their family and make Petyr pay.
Meh, I think any plot Arya is in is almost entirely ruined. Like Bran she's too much of an xmen character for the plot to really have any suspense. Also Petyr after season 4 is just too much of a mustache twilry villian, he's like the obvious bad guy we used to see in those cartoons when we were 10, he's just too corny. And his plans are idiotic after a certain point they don't make any sense. Honestly this plot point was a waste of space, they were trying so hard to give Arya and Sansa something to do it felt way too forced and convoluted.
How come Ned or Littlefinger either of them demanded a trial by combat?
One of the few good things about the show omitting stuff is book readers can plug in details not being utilized in the show. Its like you can bridge the narrative with fanfiction that matches up with GRRM's intentions.
One note - Dany doesn't have a reaction of disgust to sleeping with her nephew because that's sort of what Targs did. A LARGE number of them married their direct sibling. Plus uncle/aunt married to niece/nephew is already established elsewhere in the cannon for her family so she likely grew up just thinking of it as normal. Her brother HAD to have spent the first 14 years of her life doing nothing but telling her stories of their history as she seemed to know a hell of a lot about it for someone who hasn't seen a member of her family outside her brother or ANYONE really who knew them since she was a literal infant so no doubt he included this part as well. Likely mentioned how if he didn't need to sell her to get an army - he would marry her himself to keep the bloodline pure and all that jazz
For real, in the source material Dany grows up thinking that she will be marrying her brother to continue their Targ heritage. It's only when Vicerys becomes desperate for an army that he sells her off to the Dothraki. Otherwise, she would have had to marry him.
Yeah but they ignored that precedent again with the new show… (spoilers) There’s no good reason for the King to deny Daemon’s proposal to marry Rhenera. There’s honestly not much reason for him to even be mad- the people aren’t going to revolt so who cares if they find out about her escapades, and if she marries Daemon, their affairs before their union wouldn’t matter to the other houses. I haven’t watched past episode 4, but for them to make a big stink about her making out with her uncle and then turn around and have her marry a cousin is so weird to me
@@LexieLouLou I think it was more like daemon already has a wife in the vale and therefore can't marry rhaenyra. Westeros can abide the targs incest but even in the North, men are expected to have one wife till death do them part
@@LexieLouLou I think it has to do more with the fact that Daemon always messes with Viserys so it again seems like just a way to insult his king and brother, not some way to solve the conflict, incest is not really a big deal for them, at least for Viserys who also was married at first to one of his close relatives
He was even proposed to wed her with her own stepbrother and Viserys was more bothered that Aegon was a child at a time, not that they were siblings
@@Amandor2011 no, in Fire and Blood the reason why Daemon isn't allowed to remarry is because of his wife in the Vale. Also the Vaelyreons were skipped over multiple times and Corlys and Raena were very frustrated by this. Viserys needed to marry Rhaenyra off to Laenor to keep the peace. Plus they're family.
Benioff and Weiss are ENTIRELY to blame for the downfall of the series. The infamous “she just kinda forgot about the iron fleet” line in the post show just proves their incompetence without a book to follow. They deserve all the blame and hatred for killing such a brilliant show.
They literally stated that they just didn't want to keep making it so they rushed the final three seasons. It's incredible that they got work after that.
They rushed the final seasons because Disney asked them to come on for a star wars project down the line, but they botched Game of thrones so bad that Disney walked out of the deal.
I totally would believe someone so inept at leading would forget about the iron fleet.
@@baronhomer1 How do you see her as inept?
@@thechemistamvs5033 tell me where you saw great decision making on her part either on the battlefield or on the "throne"?any moderately good decision came from her advisors clawing her back from making a angry rash one.
They did littlefinger dirty. The guy was _the_ gamer of thrones. He was mastermind behind everything that happened and everything and everyone danced on the pit of his finger (pun intended) and then he, being the paranoid plotmaster is, got thwarted by two sisters who never got along, haven't seen each other for several years and then managed to play him like a fiddle without even talking enough. It was so bizarre to see.
Fr, a big part of what I ADORED about the show and its genius technique for unravelling stories died when Littlefinger was wiped away so inconsiderately and just for a "omg Aria such a boss bitch pog little assassin sansa yas queen" moment for twitter. It abandoned everything and didnt commit to explain how someone so switched onto social and society dynamics like Littlefinger was bomboozled in such a lacklustre way. I just knew DND got handed a character with too much complexity they didnt understand or know how to kill off in a deserving and compelling way.
exactly! I was sooo shocked in the novel 'Storm of swords" to find this minor background guy was behind all of this. Also, I do hope it is revealed in the future books that Varys is a female Blackfyre in disguise trying to bring back young Griff! The books seem to support that, as a parody of the historical boys Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel who tried to overthrow Henry VII Tudor. Most of the plot point in the series are parodies of events in the 1460s-90s
I’m gonna need a citation on the claim that Benioff and Weiss tried “to the best of their abilities” to wrap the story up. Just saying.
I'm going to have to second this.
@@ALL_that_ENDS 3rd. is that enough to put it to a vote?
They are hopelessly incompetant. Remember the pilot that had to be scrapped?
@@woahblackbettybamalam thing is, that’s exactly why we know they *aren’t* hopelessly incompetent. They recognized that the original pilot was bad and fixed it. They *can* do good work. They just chose not to.
@@woahblackbettybamalam thing is, that’s exactly why we know they *aren’t* hopelessly incompetent. They recognized that the original pilot was bad and fixed it. They *can* do good work. They just chose not to.
I think the best way to have ended Dany's story would have been for her to burn the Red Keep and accidentally blow up King's Landing in the process. It's been well-established that there's still a tonne of wildfyre stashed away by King Aerys; burning the Red Keep could ignite the stashes and kill the whole city. We'd get to see her deal with that guilt, which is about 20x more interesting than what we got.
Only half way through the video, so maybe it's referenced later on, but that was the original script and what Emilia believed she was filming. They added in her massacre afterwards with CGI, with her only seeing it at the premiere, apparently with great embarrassment.
There's a theory that was the original plot. You can SEE where they CG'd in green fire (aka wildfire), which feels so out of place in the version we got - not to mention, that is literally what Emilia was told they were filming. She believed that was the plot up until she saw the premiere. So the theory goes that the plot was changed at the last minute, for some reason.
But remember that Cersei blew up the High Sparrow, it would seem (in)convenient that blowing up the Sept didn’t set off all the wildfyre b4 (but its still a better ending xd)
@@LordofFullmetal Also in the scene where Drogon is specifically burning kids in the streets you can see Dany isn't riding him so Emilia didn't film that scene and they just added it with CGI later. And they lied to Kit Harington too, they told him back in season 3 that Jon would be the one who kills the Night King, sometime in season 6 they changed their mind and told Maisie Williams it would be Arya but never told Kit anything. He didn't find out until the table read of 8x03! Remember just 4 episode earlier he was having another stare down with the NK after Dany saved him...All for nothing! And D&D knew it would be Arya but still wrote that scene in 7x06, I'd be pissed if I was Kit tbh. Jon really just became a plot device for them which became way more obvious in season 8.
What I realised is those writers just didn't care. Didn't care about lying to the actors, didn't care about the story, the show, the viewers, the actors, everyone involved in making it etc to spend more time on it which HBO was handing out like free Candy plus free money! They didn't care about putting in enough effort to give the biggest show on TV the ending it deserved and I think they knew season 8 was an inconsistent, nonsensical, illogical mess before they put it out. But they just didn't care. That's what makes it still sad until this day, this thing we all loved so much was being handled by people who just didn't care about it.
ooh i like that
Olenna Tyrell was my favourite character in the show...
RIP Dame Diana Rigg.
You're such a sword swallower
@@Maesterful Says you.
Really? Mine was Harry Strickland, to be honest.
@@Carpet_Carplmao😂😂😂I just remember him running and grey worm throwing the sword through him
Your final words about the world being kind of empty at the end reminds me of a dialogue between Jack Sparrow and Barbosa in pirates of the Caribbean 3 while looking at the corpse of the kraken
B: the world used to be so much bigger,
J: the world is still the same, there's just less in it.
It's sad, very sad. Game of thrones used to have a world so rich and alive and by the end it was as if we were seeing a community theater written as a fanfic based on the books.
Thats an insult to fanfic bro
17.00 - 18.00 In the books the scene is exactly how you envisioned it. The moral lesson is not undermined, but Daenerys is just devastated. She punishes the Maegi even though she understands her message, because she blames her for ruining her life. When she walks into the fire, she wants to die. Only, the miracle happens, she gets the dragons, and instead of a tragic end this becomes the true beginning of her story: the rise to power of a leader who understands power's cost, and who constantly examines her actions to avoid becoming cruel like her husband, stupid like her brother, or naive like she used to be. Really didn't work out in the end but oh well
It really doesn't work as well as in the books as Dany, in the show, is never shown truly hesitant about anything. In the books you get her second guessing herself almost at every choice, but not in the show, no, here she is a stone cold badass who has a plan.
Exactly!
in the show they portrayed it like she already knew that she'd get her three dragons and become a badass by walking into the fire with her eggs. like right at that moment she had a plan and was putting it in motion
Between seasons 1 and 2 Emilia Clarke suffered a brain aneurysm. It seriously affected her acting because she was still recovering.
They replaced other main characters without saying a word, no reason they couldn't do it to her too.
@@noneya3635 What other main characters were re-cast? Gregor Clegane? Daario? Tommen? Hardly important characters. Replacing Dany would've been a mistake, way too big of a character. If she wouldn't have been able to continue, sure. But just because she was a little off with her acting for a while? Not a chance.
@@zTxmi to be honest the wisest move would have been delaying season 2. Let her have more time recovering. Would have recovered faster
After pilot they recast Catelyn and... Daenerys. Yes, she initially had different actress
@@Vario69 they had to refilm the pilot and basically no one had seen the pilot except some executives. Emilia aneurysm happened later, between seasons 1 ans 2. And replacing Daenerys a major character would have been a much bigger deal than replacing Daario or the Mountain.
Man, I never realized that back in season 1, Ned was actually speaking directly to the audience "Winter is Coming". He warned us right from the start that Winter would be awful, and oh boy was it ever. Incredible foreshadowing, really.
Oh please, you loved it just as much as everyone else when it first aired. You're just going along with the majority opinion. There was nothing wrong with the ending.
@@unropednope4644 thanks for informing me how I felt, good thing I have a total stranger like you to tell me the truth about my own opinions. Here, I could have sworn I hated it all as it aired, but now I just realize I was just influenced by the public opinion I hadn't read yet.
@@unropednope4644 it would actually be great to hear what you did like about the ending. And the hatred for the ending was pretty much instentanius, no?
@@unropednope4644 nah I fell off the train when cersei blew up the sept. That was a crack in the plot I wasn't able to overlook and it really ruined the feel of the show.
@@unropednope4644
Imagine having this shit ass opinion and no follow-up.
Tommen just stepping out of that window hit me so hard. My heart broke
I think what broke me most is that I saw it coming. When they held the camera to the window as he walked to the left removing his crown, I knew he was gonna jump. And he didn't even jump, he just... allowed himself to fall. Shattering.
It really got me in the feels when Dany said "it's thronin' time" and swooped in on her dragon
Ok, I laughed out loud at that.
She just throned all over the place
7:59 So I just started watching this show for the first time a couple months ago, and now that I've finished it, I've started making the rounds on GOT youtube content, lol.
I came into the show completely unspoiled, and I specifically loved Ned in season 1 because of his dedication to honor. Even though it's a big fantasy trope, the "steadfast, badass noble lord who cares about those under his protection" is a completely unique character in GOT, and it very clearly made him the good guy. We didn't have to know he would die to want him to succeed.
Emilia Clarke suffered from two near-fatal brain aneurysms in 2011 and 2013, she didn't speak openly about it until recently. She lost portions of her brain which would explain why her acting was sub-optimal as the aneurysms occurred during filming of GoT.
"if robb stark was your all out favorite character in all of game of thrones - i'm sorry"
-plays next clip, cue me crying- he was my favorite...
god same sksjf
Actor was way hotter than Jon snow’s
@@マリー-v4p agreed (:
@@マリー-v4p Richard Madden is also a much better actor than Kit Harrington
@@マリー-v4pwrong
Clarke's acting in season 2 was direction. After season 8 they did a massive interview with her where she said she had direction to act "cold" when she thought it was weird, and a lot of other issues. It was a terrible attempt at setting up the made queen, that they knew was coming (The actor didn't). Following the books she has like 4 chapters, so they kind of just made shit up.
Season 1 is really tight because it follows a book that was supposed to be one of three. After that GRRM decided to write far more then 3, and it feels when reading the books as much as when watching the show. For all the problems the show has, when it had books to follow it followed them really well.
Don’t really agree with that last part considering they didn’t adapt 70% of books 4 and 5. Also ditching characters like Jayne pool and lady stoneheart, and cutting jaimes confession about Tysha created ripple effects that damaged several plotlines and character arcs.
They adapted the first three books pretty well, and then kinda just said fuck it and dis their own thing
Honestly, the Danerys stuff is my least favourite part of Asoiaf.
Can I just say I absolutely LOVE how the murder of Jeoffrey is shot as a murder mystery, with a smorgasbord of suspects with tons of motive appearing to establish alibis and presences, the murder weapon of the chalice getting drank from and poured out numerous times and left unattended multiple times to clearly establish when the cup was poisoned, a great big distraction for not only the victim and witnesses but *the audience themselves* to give the murderer their opportunity, and of course the subtle detail about Sansa's necklace vanishing which could easily be overlooked as continuity error, but is in fact the solution to the murder and the definitive evidence.
Even though the murder is never properly investigated and ultimately the killer just has to confess to the audience, it is entirely possible to solve it with nothing but the footage from the episode.
"EVERYYYYYYOOOOONE!!!". I lost my shit... The simple and subtle ways you hilariously support your narration makes me a fan of your work. So glad I stumble upon your channel.
I enjoyed this video! Although I will say Dany does take her advisors advice but their advice is bad xD. Especially because ultimately if she had just used the dragons at king’s landing first she would have been able to take the city very easily. The idea that she couldn’t without massive casualties only relied on the people of Kings Landing rallying behind Cersei … which they have zero reason to do.
Shes the daughter of a lunatic, has 3 nuclear weapons, has an army of savage horse lords and slaves, has burned a well-respected noble and his son alive, and she hasn't lived in Westeros since she was a baby. I think there are plenty of reasons people would take Cersei over Dany
@@kingdaymon6433 No, people will accept ANYONE, other than tyrannical cersei..
@@dhritidutta6231 but we literally saw in the show that the people of kings landing chose Cersei and saw the mad queen as a foreign invader
@@kingdaymon6433 But Cersei blew up the sept, surely the loyal followers of the Seven would side with Dany over her.
i just realized this while watching but i think stannis killing shireen was based on a story of a greek king/general killing his daughter during the trojan war for better sailing weather so they could attack troy…and it worked. that would be really cool if they intentionally paralleled that
edit: wikipedia confirmes yes they did LMAO
Dont compare our boy stannis tp agamemnon, stannis did it to save the world (which failed, but u cant blame a guy for trying)
You are referencing the story of Iphigenia.
And yes in a sense there is such a parallel that will probably go similarly in the books, but I doubt that D&D actually thought about that at all
@@alexandertsamourlidis646 nah i looked it up a couple months back and they directly reference using that as inspo
@@user-yl2cr1cx1u I m surprised they didn’t kinda forget about that play
@@jakobplobeck8006bruh Stannis didn’t do it to save anything lol he did it because he wanted to be king
2 hours of Slipmaker is still not enough! We demand more.
My favorite part of this retrospective is when Slip Maker points out how small westeros felt in the latter seasons due to no new characters being introduced to replace all the major characters who were killed off, because it highlights what all the great characters who were left out of the show could have provided had they been included. Had the Wall, Iron Born, and Dorne storylines not been gutted of supporting characters and attendant subplots they could have been just as compelling as anything that happened in Kingslanding. As they were in the books.
@@Random98-ij8li In comparison to the books?
1:40:52 why would she be disgusted tho? Her parents and grandparents were literal full-blooded siblings😅 Didn’t she expect to be married to Viserys before she was sold to Khal Drogo? But loved your video. Loved every minute!
It's weird how good first seasons are, even the original content written by D&D. After watching the last seasons, you'd think they're too stupid to string two sentences together.
I guess they were so nervous and afraid at the beginning, because they were beginner film makers, so they leaned heavily in Martin's work and really took care of the world building.
I don't know what happened during season 4-5. Maybe their egos just got a huge boost and they thought they could do no wrong, maybe Dunning-Krueger effect kicked in full force, maybe they just stopped caring, I don't know... But never have I ever seen such drop in quality in any other tv-show.
The Simpsons season 9
Twin Peaks season 2 (post Laura)
..also come to mind as other legacy examples of instantaneous quality drop off.
It was their egos
@@FLIGHT.1oh yeah twin peaks is really really bad in season 2 and the return is even worse than anything I’ve ever seen
@@raymondsims7042 I was actually planning on rewatching it at some point in the near future.
I didn’t have a clue what it was trying to get across if anything the first time, was vibey though.
@@FLIGHT.1 😂😂trust me man it has no point and is getting nothing across. I’ve never seen anything as bad and weird as that. Good luck sitting through a rewatch man the return was 18 episodes of just weirdness.
The honorable thing for Rob Stark to do would have been keep his word and marry the woman he was promised to, not marry for love. So, being unlike his father actually would lead to his downfall, not being like his father
The “being like his father” aspect was with how he treated the Karstarks. He only needed to go back and grovel with Walder Frey in Season 3 because he executed Lord Karstark, despite everyone telling him not to. Honour compelled him to do so, but the consequences were that he lost half his army and the only house he could replenish them with were the Freys.
What? He married her out of honor not out of love. He barley knew the girl but took her virginity so he felt it was his duty and the honorable thing to do was to marry her. He was acting just like his father. DONT COMMENT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
What? He married her out of honor not out of love. He barley knew the girl but took her virginity so he felt it was his duty and the honorable thing to do was to marry her. He was acting just like his father. DONT COMMENT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
@@economicerudite4924 I don’t think he had a choice in what he did to Lord Karstark. But marrying that random pretty lady when he is betrothed to the Frey girl… I mean, what did he expect?
@@sparingpickle4918 that was in the books but this Video is only talking about the Show...
Robb Stark was infact one of my favorite characters among Tywin, Oberyn Martell, Ned Stark,Jon Snow, The Hound, and Jamie, I enjoyed watching his tragic downfall and really connected with his story and thank you for apologizing lmao.
As a sexual abuse survivor, it does not make you a bad ass, it scars you deeply, often so deeply you don't realize the damage done until years if not decades later.
thank you for saying that.
It's frankly pretty disgusting how the show portrays it, yes. How the show can go "It doesn't matter, Cersei actually loves Jaime deep down" and "It was the catalyst that helped Sansa become her true Girlboss self!" isn't talked about enough.
People react to life experience and trauma differently. You dont get to speak for all sexual abuse survivors, some people are able to break out of victim mentality and use trauma to strengthen their will.
Also worth thinking about now in the shows universe, rape and SA are just way more common. Not that they’re not traumatic, but when it’s so commonplace it would force a lot of people into a mentality that doesn’t allow for such vulnerability
@@SonoftheWest316victim mentality is not the word to use here ffs
A Prince of Egypt ref AND a Freddy Got Fingered ref in the same insightful retrospective? *subscribes*
Robb wasn't my favourite character, but I liked and supported him much more in the books. In the books I strongly felt he deserved to win his battle and that he was wise and just, the show made his decisions seem more foolish and reduced the tragedy of his death.
Shireen deserved the entire world. She deserved the iron throne
One of those things I never hear anyone point out. At the 49.41 mark, Bron says "when have you risked your life for me" Tyrion did - when they were walking thru the Veil and shagger and his crew have them surrounded, Shagger says "keep the imp, kill the other" Tyrion steps up and saved Bron right there. Anyway, great job on this retrospective, I don't agree with all the points but it's a heavy load to lift to break this show down and you did one hell of a remarkable Job!
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Tyrion didn't risk his life though. He was just talking.
@@briana8088 watch it again, your splitting hairs in regards to "risking his life" and "saving Bron's Life"
@@garyfeuer1071 I watched it again recently. Tyrion didn't risk his life for him.
@@briana8088 okay, so how is Bron still alive
Telling me they ADR'd the pilot makes so much sense. I always thought Arya saying, "It's the queen's twin brother, Jamie Lanister" felt so awkward
39:29 The Queen of Thorns is Marjorie's grandmother, not her mother. We know that because she calls her "Grandmother" multiple times, and we know that Marjorie's father is the son of Elena Tyrell.
Never had an issue with Emilia Clarke’s acting. Never considered any acting to be bad unless it was so over the top or in a way I can’t expect anyone to ever be. Not everyone is nuanced or has a cryptic way about them. Some people are just straight forward and are completely able to be straightforward regardless of what their situation is.
Like Harington I think she failed when it came to the emotional scenes. Emilia can actually fake cry tho so maybe it was the directors telling her not to but idk why they would do that.
Honestly him saying this is one of the many reason this video is just…annoying
Agreed, I thought was fine. Also keep in mind in season 2 she was still recovering from a serious illness between seasons. She was a trooper in season 2 considering.
She was good, I myself never noticed any bad acting on her part.
@@juliohinojosa6923yeah I think the lad in the video is saying she’s “bad” at acting compared to the rest of the cast. I don’t actually agree with that but I can see what I think he’s saying. Like she’s not as great theon, tyrion, Cersei, Jamie, tywin, Joffrey , olenna etc… actors/actresses are. But to me her and kit Harrington and about on the same level acting wise. Not great but definitely not bad
You seem to have missed a major part of season 1's draw. Ned's story arc is a STORY arc. In most stories the badass good guy is going to triumph despite impossible odds precisely because he's the good guy. Killing him off in the first season was a huge shock to everyone used to the trope. That was the moment that cemented Game of Thrones as a unique story where no character is safe.
He misses beyond to much to be taken seriously also his comprehension of character motives in why they do what they do went over his head putting in question his credibility to even be able to critique this show
He seems to have missed much more than that.
@@razorreacts1723yeah the lad in the video doesn’t get it at all. Game of thrones took tv by storm killing Ned stark off like that. I’ve never seen something so shocking and well executed like that in tv before. But this lad just brushed past it. I don’t like this review
To be fair he was played by the walking spoiler of an untimely death and him surviving till the end would have been a shocker.
@@NephritduGrey I'd just call that good casting. No matter what happened we'd be surprised as long as Ned didn't turn into some doomed mentor for John.
The Dean's "no that was a good cover" made me choke laugh at work, absolutely perfect lmao
Season 1 was the closest thing to perfection. Not a single wasted scene and the dialogue was just incredible
It would have been amazing if we had Tyrion in the final season finally hear the truth about Tysha and learns that Cersei let his child work in a brothel instead of telling him. This would have definitely been a point that could have easily made Tyrion push Dany into burning Kings Landing.
Yeah. Literally that would have make more sense...
A nearly 2 hour retrospective from one of my favourite channels just before a long weekend of doing nothing but University work? Don’t mind if I do
I thought at first that the Night King could only raise those he/his wights have killed. When the dead in the crypts started to rise I was so confused. Like, "then why would they have them hide down here?". I assumed maybe they thought the same thing 🤷🏿♀️
I thought they'd come alive but I didn't think they'd break out. They're in stone crypts, how the heck are they punching their way thru yet they can't kill Sam when they're on top of him? They don't even have any muscle left on their bodies, they're all bones so where does their freakish strength even come from?
I honestly thought the noncombatants would be safe in the crypts because most of those bones are centuries old and mostly dust, besides being in heavy stone boxes. Ned’s body is the most recent addition but he was disconnected bones, and the zombies need connective tissue to move.
I thought it was too obvious and too dumb to have the dead of Winterfell rise. But NOPE
Joffrey definitely wouldve dealt with that sparrow shit quick, lol
I spent the first few seasons wishing for him to die already and then when he finally got killed I wished he was still there to deal with all that bullshit, because unlike his brother he would have NEVER let that shit slide. Even if he doesn't genuinely care for Margaery, he wouldn't let them just steal his queen without his permission, he wouldn't let them take power in the city over him, he wouldn't let his mother do whatever she wanted... Margaery also would have an easier job convincing him to help her free her brother than Tommen because Tommen was still too young and innocent and focused on mama.
Thank you for making this, it was a lovely walk down memory lane, When GOT first came out I was a senior at university and now I'm turning 32 on Saturday.
Always looked at the lack of battles early on as very deliberate, as it was the dialogue and politics that were the heart of the story. I remember being impressed by the restraint D&D had- before maybe beliveing it was all just budget concerns. It's like they knew their story had to impress because they couldn't rely on action... my how the turn tables. GREAT video btw! Been binging your retrospectives.
I never though Emilia was particularly bad. But anyway I love the long retrospectives you make! Great sarcastic sounding voice lol.
Given she survived two brain aneurysms around the time of S2 that by all rights should have killed her, her ability to even walk let alone act is pretty damn amazing
She had some seriously cringe inducing scenes because of how poor her acting was at times. I think most people seriously over rate her acting in the series
@@XoldnewsX that may have been the two brain aneurysm that nearly killed her in 2011
@@emilybarclay8831 Isnt the audience the real victim?
So in the scripts for the massacre at kings landing, Dany was supposed to do exactly what Slip Maker suggested he thought she'd do in the video - start massacring lannister soldiers while making her way towards Cersei.
Certainly not exactly moral, but not stone cold evil either. However, the dragonfire set off the wildfire that the mad king had placed around the city, and that is what causes the thousands of deaths.
Not only is this more in line with what we already know about Dany as a character, but it makes her death that much more tragic when you consider that Jon may have killed her when it became apparent to him she felt no remorse despite the deaths that she caused - accidentally, but still. It adds some moral greyness that was absolutely needed.
The worst thing though? I read somewhere that David and Dan changed the massacre in post production. Emilia Clarke believed that up until the premiere screening of the episode, what was in the script was what was going to happen on screen. That's why we don't see Emilia Clarke herself after the massacre begins - because it was an edited CGI fest that wasn't in line with what Dany was supposed to be actually doing. It would have been interesting to see her reaction to the wildfire blowing up the city, and I reckon that's what they filmed, and it'll be on the cutting room floor somewhere. Honestly, the embarrassment and disappointment she must have felt when she saw it for the first time must have been overwhelming. Poor Emilia. Deserved so much better.
Typical anti Stannis propaganda, he made absolutely no mistakes or even unethical moves.
The king who cared, the only one who bothered to turn up to help the Wall and the Night's Watch
The one who burned his daughter at the stake?
@@citiesskylinesmetropolitan8980 "There will be no more burnings, pray harder"
@@gabrieldarce1991 him saying not to stake people anymore doesn’t undo the burning of his child LOL
STANNIS THE MANNIS
the speech she gives at the beginning is really a top 10 moment in the show its so underrated. the amount of suspense she built & questions we almost were scared to get answers of….. if only they didnt ruin the WW’s
I think your dig on Amelia Clark’s acting for season 2,3,4 can be explained easily by the fact that she had surgery after season one on a brain bleed, but needed 2 more. She had massive migraines and was extremely sick during those seasons. I think she did her best… and when she finally recovered her acting stepped up radically.
Ned was going for a strength build, always put a couple of points into luck and perception 😂
"A song of ice and fire wasn't finished". Oh dear sweet slip, I think you mean "isn't and will never be finished"
Much like The Wheel of Time, it will eventually in fact start to go *backwards.*
I rewatched the show and it so SO satisfying to just end it with season 6
Fantastic video! Loved how you came up with an entire seventh and eight season which were noticeably worse to highlight the earlier seasons' virtues.
From best show in TV history to most reviled. Nice job D&D.
Can’t wait to have this on in my head phones on repeat for days these videos never fail to amaze me
It’s good listening
The one really great thing to come out of the horrific tailspin this once great show went through is that both of those morons in charge lost their chances to make a Star Wars movie. Trying to rush GOT to the finish line was such a slap in the face to any fan of the show.
This makes me just want the Better Call Saul retrospective that much more. Especially when you compare how GoT follows most shows arcs: worse over time, not better - BCS just got better with each season, never dropped the ball.
Making a show have a really good ending is hard enough but the fact that the creators of BB stuck the landing twice with BCS is something else.
@Wash my soul with words what makes you feel that way? curious
This was so well done. I might not have agreed with everything you said but I sure as shit respect you for it. Some points also opened my eyes too. Well done, sir!
I was actually OK with not seeing the battle in season 1. Since we didn’t expect high budget battle spectacles at the time. It felt fine… Like good old fashioned storytelling.
The Hobbit (book) pulled the same schtick too. Bilbo gets hit on the head in the first two minutes of the Battle of Five Armies, is unconscious the whole time, and gets filled in on the events after it’s all over
I will say in the books Tyrion tenure as Hand of the King is far less him being 12 steps ahead, as him barely being more skillful than Ned. He manages to get over the more incompetent players that are Cersei and Pycell, mostly by doing so alienating potential allies, Cersei being his sister and Pycell a Lannister lackey. His attempt at Justice just see him removing Littlefinger pawn to have him replacing him with Varys pawn, and Varys and Littlefinger running circles around him while Tyrion is too busy self congratulating. For example when Tyrion do his letters plot to find the traitor who give information to Cersei Varys outright tell Tyrion he know exactly what he’s doing yet Tyrion still think he played him for some reasons, and for it he end up having to reward with an absurdly large Lordship to Littlefinger for what was overall relatively minor actions. And he’s still very much a villain. He knows he work for the bad side but doesn’t care, he doesn’t have any regrets for the war crimes his side his committing, etc.
Yeah, I don't think the writers got Tyrion, he was a villain (and that's coming from GRRM)
In the books they're setting Tyrion up as the devil on Dany's shoulder, he's plotting to bring fire and blood to Westeros and his only want in life is to kill Cersei and Jaime.
This video was already good enough as it is, but the fact that you also used a lot of Super Paper Mario music is such a W bro, good job man.
Oberyn: We don’t kill little girls in Dorne
Ellaria: Y’all hear sumn?
I mean, ffs, she has daughters. Doesn't she realize how hell-bent Cersei will be on revenge for killing Myrcella?
@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 They did my girl dirty! Ellaria tries to talk Oberyn’s oldest daughters out of seeking revenge in the books!
Idk what it is about your jokes but they always crack me up. They feel forced yet they naturally flow into the narration.
Emelia Clark seems like such a sweet and genuine person. I hope she is able to stay healthy and do all she intends with her life. Her candid interviews really show her to be super relatable and thankful for her life.
She’s adorable. “BEST SEASON EVAHHH?!!”
Say what you want, but STILL some of the best TV ever made. Practically every episode in season 2 and 3 are iconic. Every scene shot is masterful, loaded with near perfect casting, dialogue, and acting. I could watch season 1-4 and maybe even 5 over and over again. Yes they totally fucked up the ending but don't discount the attention to detail in the majority of the series.
Shame it went out the way it did. But House of Dragon really feels like a return to form!
Absolutely
@@alt0799 don't say that so soon, it's only season one.
Agree with most of what you’ve said but there’s a few characters I think they got seriously wrong in both casting and writing. The main one for me is Cersei, in the books one of her absolute key character traits is that every man wants her and she uses that sex appeal to manipulate them. I don’t think she does this once in the series and I’m not sure Lena Headey was the right cast for that personality type. She did fantastic with what she was given though.
Other more minor characters who were seriously miscast were Mance, Renly/Loras (Renly in particular is butchered in the show), Mace Tyrell (who is a bumbling idiot rather than a proud and prickly lord) and Jorah (who they make farrrrr more likeable in the show.
@@lewisthorpe9818you’re nitpicking mate. Who cares if Cersei was different in the show , she put on one of the best performances in tv history 🤷♂️ and no question about that she was phenomenal and gave the character more depth in my opinion. Also Jorah not being a pervert even though he still kind of was is fine with me.
The show does exsplain why Danny burned the witch. Death gives life so her death gave life to the dragons. The show did it justice but yes, they could've explained it more with a few more lines from danny in the show. The books explain it.
Also we hear about danny and her dragons in Westeros from season 1 to season 7,they always mention that. King's landing always knows in the show. It always feel like the same place,not the moon lol
Cersei getting away with blowing up the sept reminds me of crusader kings stats lol -50 Kinslayer -50 Murdered Friendly Vassal -100 Murdered Pope... she would've been underwater if these things actually had consequences
Slip Maker is to TV what Mandalore Gaming is to video games, and I love it.
I appreciated that Carl reference: "It don't matter, none of this matters." 😂😂
This is excellently written and edited, you definitely deserve more subs ❤️
The references you make are fantastic. casually dropping paramore lines. "Once a whore you're nothing more, i'm sorry that'll never change."
Slip maker
We can all agree Charles dance was awesome 😊
You are the one person I’ve actually heard using the word “myriad” grammatically correctly in a sentence! Bravo!
Just came here to say laying the Cornered theme of Ace Attorney over Tyrion‘s trial scenes made my week. Thank you for this
We stan Emilia Clark bc she has 2 brain aneurisms between 2 different seasons and still came back to slay Queen Daenerys. There are very few episodes where her acting is ehh even after all that going on in her personal life.
Exactly I personally feel like she did an amazing job
worst thing about slip uploading is that you now have to wait 8 years for his next video
I’ll do it every time
It takes as long as it takes.
Ned; the Hero who explains his whole plan to the Villain.
Didn't happen. He gave Cersei a choice. He thought he was being magnanimous. He thought he had more power than he did.
“I haven’t told anyone else yet. So now you’re going to flee to a life of obscurity and not use your power and wealth against me, the only one who’s figured out your secret. Right? Pinky promise?”
Stannis saves the Night's Watch by defeating Mance Rayder and then Mance's army becomes Jon Snow's army which he uses to recapture Winterfell in the Battle of the Bastard's. Also when Stannis is attacking Winterfell it gives Sansa and Theon a chance to escape. So stannis still had a part to play.
I'm not sure why the Rachet and Clank 2 Megacorp soundtrack plays in the background of this but, for the sheer nostaglia, and for the bizarre sense of pride I felt at immediately knowing a song from a game I haven't played in 15, years I very, very much appreciate it
That is really cool i noticed it aswell xD
Def shouldve done a nightking season and a cersei season, great point. Writers were tripping
Nah then what to do with Cercei in s7?
They weren't tripping they just wanted that sweet Star Wars money.
@@indoorplant2392 nothing
Season 7 should have been 10 episodes and the Dany vs Cersi war. Season 8 should have all been the White Walkers and Jon vs Night King
No way, I literally just finished watching it for the first time like a couple of weeks ago. I have no idea why I didn't get a notification for this, I would'e watched it instantly.
Ngl the new show is pretty good so far. It could still all go wrong again, but I find myself getting excited every weekend for the next episode.
She isn't creeped out by doing her nephew because she's from a family that normalized incest.
To her it's likely only creepy because he's only remotely related not a true brother.
Thanks for this. I keep needing to remind myself how absolutely fantastic those first 4 seasons are.