Adding fuel treatment should be done before the cool temps on account of the cloud point of the fuel. If you add most treatments to fuel thats 10* but not gelled yet more than likely you’re wasting treatment. The additive must be introduced to fuel that’s above 40 degrees or so. Adding treatment to fuel that’s already down to 15 degrees or so is a waste. The treatment can’t stop the clouding process if it has already started. 👍🏻
Number 1=winter diesel. Blended diesel will be number 1 and 2 mixed. I'd recommend diesel treatment if coming from warm weather to cold. Use number 1 if you'll be in cold temperatures for an extended amount of time. Save travels
If you want to properly maintain your fuel system you should use fuel additive even in the summer. You don't need it every time you fuel, once a month will do. The reason it will help to keep moisture content down in your tanks. Waiting till cold weather to start treating, you'll be behind the 8 ball. Bio diesel carries water in fuel, just like ethanol does with gas. I had used Aronol for years and had no regrets. Apparently it's not made anymore so will be switching to something else
I will agree with the howes treatment having issues if you wait until its close to cloud point temp wise stuff will start to cloud a full concentration if left outside but if you put it in the freeze it will not freeze,i did two bottles in my freezer one of just howes and one mixed with diesel one without clouded but never gelled or froze,one with never clouded at all
It looks like most manufacturers recommend 1 oz. per gallon of fuel and works best with full tanks. / If the temp drops unexpectedly, can you also add an ounce to each fuel filter?
Can confirm Oklahoma does not have winterized diesel. For the past two days, temps been at or below zero and our international is gelled bad. Auto parts stores out of anti gel as well 🙃
Newer trucks with high pressure injection systems all have fuel return lines so fuel is always circulating thru the system while the engine is at operating RPM's. So waiting or not waiting have nothing to do with adding additive. In my opinion, additives should be used in every fill up just for the lubrication factor alone. The fuel they sell today is just horrible on pumps and injectors. Remember newbies filters are to replaced sooner then later.. they are the life line of your engine..
ALL diesel engines, regardless of age, have fuel return lines. Yes, fuel is always circulating. However, if you buy a bottle of an anti-gel compound and let the fuel gel in your system before remembering to use it, you're toast. You MUST add it before the temperatures drop, while your engine is still able to start and run.
You are right. Our winter and arctic diesel fuels are ready to go. No need to add a thing. Is there any harm in adding some over-the-counter product? Well, probably not, but no-one has ever studied it. You might do no harm, but you might. Why risk it? I've never used additives and get through minus 40C winters just fine.
@@LightWaIker NOOOO!!!! He overlooked a major issue. Water emulsification. I don't remember which one looked the best in his test but I do remember it emulsifies water. Pushing water to the injectors is going to cost big money. On a good day just a set of injectors. Worst day possibly ruin the engine if a cylinder gets washed down, dilutes the oil, then causes bearing damage.
Pretty sure Howes is the only additive that doesn't contain alcohol. Alcohol is an abrasive and a short cut to solve some issues facing today's ULSD. Products that contain alcohol should never be used in your diesel engine.
That's right. My high school science teacher said. Put a glass of water in a room at exactly 33 Fahrenheit. Then hit it with a 100 mph wind. It will not freeze.
While they don't experience evaporative cooling they will cool faster with increased air movement. Air velocity will not allow objects to be cooled below ambient temps. Where this does matter is fuel heaters. Fewer watts are needed on a stationary engine than an over the road engine. Then we complicate it just a bit with road spray that introduces some evaproative cooling effects increasing the heating demands on the fuel system because heat is lost faster than just air alone.
@@rogercarrico4975 How cold is the wind? ....the polar vortex a couple years ago made Chicago look like the Antarctic , -50 because of the wind....in fact meteorologists said it was colder in Chicago than Antarctica at one point
Nope... So there are several aspects to this challenge. First everybody talks about gelling. That is actually the second state the fuel transitions to. The first is the cloud point. The cloud point shuts most inexperienced guys down because the fuel will flow just fine... until it hits the third point and that is filters. Lots of manufactures are specifying sub five micron filtration. Sub five micron filters will pick up those small paraffin structures that make up the cloud point and stop fuel flow. Nothing in the fuel supply chain filters down to sub five micron (15-20 from the filters I see), so you can pump just fine well below the cloud point. A final point worth talking about is ULSD. The process for extracting more sulfur raises the cloud point. Refineries add additives packages to maintain previous gel points, but disregard the cloud point. I've seen far more diesels sidelined as ULSD rolled out. Many had treated their fuel. Many of the products do not work as well with ULSD to combat the cloud point.
What antigel is put in by the the truck stop. And usual it is treated to what the air temperature will be. So if you are going to a colder area then were your buying fuel then add antigel.
Not always true. Fuel is stored in tanks underground. Ground temp isn’t near as volatile as above ground. If you’re traveling in temps less than 17 degrees or so you’re asking for trouble with unblended/untreated fuel.
Adding fuel treatment should be done before the cool temps on account of the cloud point of the fuel. If you add most treatments to fuel thats 10* but not gelled yet more than likely you’re wasting treatment. The additive must be introduced to fuel that’s above 40 degrees or so. Adding treatment to fuel that’s already down to 15 degrees or so is a waste. The treatment can’t stop the clouding process if it has already started. 👍🏻
Number 1=winter diesel. Blended diesel will be number 1 and 2 mixed. I'd recommend diesel treatment if coming from warm weather to cold. Use number 1 if you'll be in cold temperatures for an extended amount of time. Save travels
Thank you Sir!
What product do you use? Stanadyne? Howe? Hot shot?
If you want to properly maintain your fuel system you should use fuel additive even in the summer. You don't need it every time you fuel, once a month will do. The reason it will help to keep moisture content down in your tanks. Waiting till cold weather to start treating, you'll be behind the 8 ball. Bio diesel carries water in fuel, just like ethanol does with gas. I had used Aronol for years and had no regrets. Apparently it's not made anymore so will be switching to something else
I will agree with the howes treatment having issues if you wait until its close to cloud point temp wise stuff will start to cloud a full concentration if left outside but if you put it in the freeze it will not freeze,i did two bottles in my freezer one of just howes and one mixed with diesel one without clouded but never gelled or froze,one with never clouded at all
Also, Opti-Lube fuel treatment.. best in the business.
It looks like most manufacturers recommend 1 oz. per gallon of fuel and works best with full tanks. / If the temp drops unexpectedly, can you also add an ounce to each fuel filter?
Can confirm Oklahoma does not have winterized diesel. For the past two days, temps been at or below zero and our international is gelled bad. Auto parts stores out of anti gel as well 🙃
Newer trucks with high pressure injection systems all have fuel return lines so fuel is always circulating thru the system while the engine is at operating RPM's. So waiting or not waiting have nothing to do with adding additive. In my opinion, additives should be used in every fill up just for the lubrication factor alone. The fuel they sell today is just horrible on pumps and injectors. Remember newbies filters are to replaced sooner then later.. they are the life line of your engine..
ALL diesel engines, regardless of age, have fuel return lines. Yes, fuel is always circulating. However, if you buy a bottle of an anti-gel compound and let the fuel gel in your system before remembering to use it, you're toast. You MUST add it before the temperatures drop, while your engine is still able to start and run.
Any body use Howes. It professes to be a great antigeling/ waxing additive.
Blending your diesel with kerosene works great to keep your fuel from gelling.
Jason Zangrilli do you add diesel fuel conditioner into the fuel tank ?
Do you add diesel fuel conditioner into the fuel tank ?
Thank you kirk
I'm up in Canada and I'm pretty sure our diesel is already winterized at the pump. Is there any issue with adding more diesel treat and doubling up?
You are right. Our winter and arctic diesel fuels are ready to go. No need to add a thing. Is there any harm in adding some over-the-counter product? Well, probably not, but no-one has ever studied it. You might do no harm, but you might. Why risk it? I've never used additives and get through minus 40C winters just fine.
Hey Wayne, nice video. Do you have an email for business inquiries?
Hello Alec, i got your product today.
Wind chill has no effect on fuel geling
Trucker Wayne me and my brother want to join Pam transport. Do they have automatics we can drive by choice after we graduate?
God Drexees moore I believe they do but you should try manual it will be more fun
Automatic? Really? Try riding a bicycle forst...you have to crawl before you can walk
It's a cheap investment so you are not on the side of the road freezing.
I'm currently in south dakota from Arizona.. it's in the negative rn and my truck hates it lol
Mmm what kind of anti gel
See a comparison against many anti-gels here....
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@@LightWaIker NOOOO!!!! He overlooked a major issue. Water emulsification. I don't remember which one looked the best in his test but I do remember it emulsifies water. Pushing water to the injectors is going to cost big money. On a good day just a set of injectors. Worst day possibly ruin the engine if a cylinder gets washed down, dilutes the oil, then causes bearing damage.
Pretty sure Howes is the only additive that doesn't contain alcohol. Alcohol is an abrasive and a short cut to solve some issues facing today's ULSD. Products that contain alcohol should never be used in your diesel engine.
I cringed when you said wind. Trucks and fuel tanks don’t feel wind chill 😉
That's right. My high school science teacher said. Put a glass of water in a room at exactly 33 Fahrenheit. Then hit it with a 100 mph wind. It will not freeze.
While they don't experience evaporative cooling they will cool faster with increased air movement. Air velocity will not allow objects to be cooled below ambient temps. Where this does matter is fuel heaters. Fewer watts are needed on a stationary engine than an over the road engine. Then we complicate it just a bit with road spray that introduces some evaproative cooling effects increasing the heating demands on the fuel system because heat is lost faster than just air alone.
@@rogercarrico4975
How cold is the wind? ....the polar vortex a couple years ago made Chicago look like the Antarctic , -50 because of the wind....in fact meteorologists said it was colder in Chicago than Antarctica at one point
Fuel come with anti-gel already in it. If it didn’t. It would not come out the pump.
Nope... So there are several aspects to this challenge. First everybody talks about gelling. That is actually the second state the fuel transitions to. The first is the cloud point. The cloud point shuts most inexperienced guys down because the fuel will flow just fine... until it hits the third point and that is filters. Lots of manufactures are specifying sub five micron filtration. Sub five micron filters will pick up those small paraffin structures that make up the cloud point and stop fuel flow. Nothing in the fuel supply chain filters down to sub five micron (15-20 from the filters I see), so you can pump just fine well below the cloud point. A final point worth talking about is ULSD. The process for extracting more sulfur raises the cloud point. Refineries add additives packages to maintain previous gel points, but disregard the cloud point. I've seen far more diesels sidelined as ULSD rolled out. Many had treated their fuel. Many of the products do not work as well with ULSD to combat the cloud point.
What antigel is put in by the the truck stop. And usual it is treated to what the air temperature will be. So if you are going to a colder area then were your buying fuel then add antigel.
Not always true. Fuel is stored in tanks underground. Ground temp isn’t near as volatile as above ground. If you’re traveling in temps less than 17 degrees or so you’re asking for trouble with unblended/untreated fuel.