My traumatic yet hillarious evening with Death In June and Boyd Rice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2024
- Telling a story in English is actually a rather good practice for me since I rarely get a chance to speak English. Also, memory is fading.
#deathinjune #boydrice #douglaspearce
Thank you very much for sharing this story, and doing so in such an honest and humorous way :)
I was at that gig too, involved as I was with the "scene", and I remember the turnout larger than expected (and a few actual neo-nazis among them, if only a handful at most), but Doug was pretty chill after the show, so it can't have been that bad. At least for him!
Going with Tony's assessment here, as everyone knows that Doug was (and probably still is) quite the diva.
Thank you very much for your visit and your comment. I guess on the one hand, it is an advantage to be young, because it makes you reckless, so you don't question things, you just go for it and do it. But on the other hand I have a tendency to look back in time and to wonder: "What was I thinking?" Probably not much. :)
'Pearls Before Swine'. Boyd Rice.Douglas P...great film...1999....
'you must be a man of refined taste'
We booked Di6, it was 3 months of hell before the gig, that thankfully happened with no problems at all.
In which year was that? The contract rider was probably hefty. And how did it show being hell before the gig?
Great story !
I saw Death In June when I was 22 as well ,( during the All Pigs Must Die tour) in a tiny club in Denver, Colorado on a snowy night. I was just a spectator , but the atmosphere was tense for me too. I just didn't know what Douglas P. 's deal was ... all these dark insinuations with Nazi/ third Reich imagery, especially. At the time I just really enjoyed the neo- folk, apocalyptic vibe of the music. That live album you showed was a particular favorite of mine. Kept me great company on a long train ride I took one time . Any how, it was an alright show, but I wish he had performed with his mask instead of that stupid mop helmet 🪖 he used. Thanks for sharing. I wouldn't feel too guilty, btw. He was probably at least ten years older that you. He could've been more mature.
Thank you so much for your comment and for telling about your own experience with the band. Regarding Douglas' deal: I think Death In June is mostly about gay erotica and certain type of fetishism, that lends itself well to images and emotions around the Germanic part of WW2. Ya' know, sweaty hugging guys in brown uniforms being shot to pieces. And that is not entirely new, which is why DIJ had always this strong kink for Mishima Yukio, who is probably Douglas' biggest hero, next to Uncle Ernst Röhm. The rest is melancholy, misanthropy and a strong tendency to provoke, which is an artist's good right, as I strongly believe. But it doesn't mean that people have to take it without a reply. Although the main theme of homoerotica was very much misunderstood by people particularly in Germany. Regardless if those people were fans or haters of the band. So a lot of the rumpus was a result of a misunderstanding, or maybe a lack of willingness to understand. But controversy can sell records.
That "mop helmet" is the wwii German sniper veil. But yeah, it looks like a mop. It's the worst sniper veil.
@@AliceBowie ahhh ok....
Douglas P., Singer, Songwriter, Sniper extraordinaire!
I've found myself in rather awkward situations before due to being innocent enough to think I could simply talk about DI6 anywhere. In my head it was "I get what's going on, others are smart enough to do the same", turns out they weren't. And it's such a shame, I've come to a point where I feel I can only talk about some of the music I enjoy online. It's just not worth the trouble trying to explain things to others and in the end all that matters is that I listen to what I like. I made the mistake of telling a guy in my university to listen to 'Brown Book', to which he eventually asked me if I was a nazi. It's funny, but at the same time annoying when you're often in places where people get too political and their acts are not of the rational kind, such as trying to argue with you, but rather try to make your life harder through this bullshit cancel culture. I thought I'd be safe among the goths too, but at least here they're mostly tankies who will get you banned from any underground scene. City ain't too big, am yet to find any neo-folk/industrial enthusiast. And DI6 at this point is the mildest example, there's some stuff - like Von Thronstahl - that could easily get you beaten up around here. Did we ever get to the age of reason?
Thank you for your comment. I can imagine that those misconceptions have become much worse today. In my time (so 30 years ago) there still seemed to be a certain slowness in any public discourse that allowed someone to explain something. In today's culture, people seem to be less willing to internalize and are much more ready to be constantly offended. Probably what Noam Chomsky meant, when he wrote: “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” - So if you are someone, who is different today, not in sync with the Zeitgeist, you can easily find yourself at the epicentre of some "screamathon".
Thank you for sharing your story.
I recently did a couple of Death in June covers would like to know your thoughts on them.
I've just listened to the Heaven Street version. That's really intense. I like how you reference the "probing wonkiness" of particularly their live playing at the beginning. But then you set it tight - this music certainly lends itself well to the Heavy Metal aesthetic.
Great buildup. I could really visualize those heated characters backstage.
Thank you very much for your visit. I was young and stupid, now I am not young anymore. :)
WOW! If bin on this Concert and was also involved in the scene at this time. If you need a really shady recording of this concert I can try to find the old cassette. 🤣 Thank you for sharing the story!
Thank you for your kind comment. You should put it online. :) I would probably not have the patience to listen to it. I think, memory tends to glorify the past, so we sometimes forget, how awful some of these bands sounded live. Which of course didn't take anything away from the immediate experience of being there, in the moment, at that particular point in time.
Thank you so much for inviting us in your Time Machine ! I guess we have more or less the same age. Your whole story sounds very familiar and means a lot for me and probably all the people who put these artists on a shared pinnacle, especially at this time. I like a lot the way you introduce the "fun" fact, the story behind the story and how you describe the context of the underground scene and Ant-Zen label. Fortunately all the artists I managed to meet, including a very impressive and nervous Genesis P-Orridge or a fascinating and very high John Balance, were pleasant, kind and polite. I would like to ask you something : were you still able to listen to Death In June after this traumatic experience or did it partially or definitely ruin your passion for this band ?
Thank you so much, I really enjoyed reading your comment. And it is a very good question.
I guess you are right: I think on some mental level I was done with the whole thing and I certainly have not listened to Douglas' music for years or decades. But over time - whenever I remembered that incident - I felt like I certainly had not been in the right. I was a very stupid young man. But that is not very original. I certainly never regarded these two artists as the "bad guys" in this story.
For a long time I felt like writing some weird apology letter to Douglas. Although the irony of life is, that those who are most influenced by some events do inflate its importance, while someone like Douglas would probably wonder about my letter, because it's something he hardly thought about 2 days later. But my musical tastes had moved to other directions anyway, so in the end it didn't matter. Now I look very amused on the whole incident.
But you know what - now that I think about it - I believe those events generally turned me off "meeting artists", something I have avoided ever since. And I certainly don't want them to smear their sharpies over some nice record cover. I made it a habit to never talk to musicians from bands I was listening to. I wouldn't go near them. :)
@@AlesPickarI think I agree with your point of keeping artists at a distance, knowing them almost interferes with function or utility of their art it's capacity to communicate.
@@shannonm.townsend1232 Thanks for saying that - because it is one of those things that can as well be explained through "me just being socialy awkward" - which I probably am, but on the other hand there is subliminal element in modern art, probably created through Hollywood and Rock'n'Roll that forces people to expect some special kind of wisdom from famous or great artists. Which once you think about it somewhat philosophically doesn't make much sense. Worst example are "actors" and this weird expectation that they have some kind of answers to things that lie beyong the learning of lines in a script. But I feel like most actors are somewhat airheaded, certainly not great thinkers. They can be smart, they often are entertaining, but there is almost nothing they can offer me beyond their art. But I've never felt this "meet the artists backstage" urge. I am not saying that it is wrong. People enjoy standing outside of backstage-doors with a stack of records to sign. Good for them. It's not for me.
Thank you for sharing your story
Thank you for your visit and patience. I wish I was less long-winded sometimes. :)
@@AlesPickar The long-windedness gave me more insight into that scene than I was expecting going into it! Thanks for sharing and cheers
Douglas was once a guest on my concert, and I've seen both Boyd and Di6 in Zagreb on separate occasions.
Boyd Rice, your typical calm and nice guy to have something like a relaxing chat 4 sure LOL. I wouldn't like to be in your shoes that evening at all
In all fairness I was incredibly stupid as a young man. Now I am just a little daft. And they were not in the wrong. But then again, when people do controversial stuff (as they both do), it creates an endless trail of weird situations like this.
Longtime DI6 fan here, also committed Christian and radical socialist, and even I agree with the concerns you expressed to Douglas P. His music had great spiritual and existential depth going on, I know it wasn’t political, but also he didnt take seriously enough his duty to disavow fascism so that no one could be misled.
Thanks for your visit and comment. I guess part of the problem is the ongoing assumption that some artistic endeavours - whether misunderstood or not - have any influence on the tides and ebbs of social ideologies, which they rarely do. Basically no one cares. That's why in hindsight, after the dust settles (like the situation in the 90s with Death In June in Germany), it very much feels like much ado about nothing. The notion that this fringe stuff is corrupting the youth is just ridiculous.
@@AlesPickar you’re right. The evangelical boomers who thought punk and metal were leading the youth to anti establishment violence and the occult, respectively, are basically the same as the PC mainstream-left who think that other music will lead the kids to fascism.
I appreciate this statement.
great story sir i enjoyed it very much, as being born in 95... u are lucky to live trough this era and trying to shine a light on underground scene.. i find your story inspiring! on the personalities of those two.. it would be probably hard to deal with for any of us 😅 but we still love the music, it's really transcendental and life-changing.. and i love your perfect description of their album and their artistic imagery in general. 🙂
Thanks a lot for your visit and comment. I hope I managed to get across that the grievances of that evening were to a large extent my fault. I was far too young and just not professional enough to shut up. I thought for years about reaching out to Douglas and to apologize to him, but after decades that thought lost its meaning... The one thing I took from it all was that I am not the right person to organize concerts for bands. :) But the entire experience certainly curbed my desire to be around popular artist and bands for good, now that I think about it.
Thanks for the nostalgic moment
must have been a great time
Thanks for your visit. Regarding the great time: I guess... But I am probably far too much a miserable SOB to fully appreciate that. But I guess that's my problem. :-) What a bliss it would be to have no memory at all - or as Sophocles once wrote: not to be born at all.
At times i didn't know whether to laugh or cry XD. Some parts of the anecdote sounded funny, but i can't imagine just how awful that must have felt. Really interesting memories nonetheless!
Thanks for your comment. Thankfully I was not an avid fan of the band - so in the spirit of "never meet your idols" nothing was really broken. But it influenced me, because afterwards I felt that I am not really interested in ever meeting any of those artists that I really like. And I guess I stuck to that. But it's not always like that. I remember I once ran into Richard Gere in India and he was just top-notch and swell.
Man. Please give Nirvana more listens, the whole discography. The earlier material is truly amazing and powerfully raw. Obscure art does not always indicate quality.
I hear you. I was being rather hyperbolic and trying to paint a picture, how I felt about those bands 35 years ago! Usually I don't trash bands. My musical rejection happens mostly in complete silence. :)
@@AlesPickar i 100 % relate
@@AlesPickar Ah, gotcha it's all good! I'm certainly overly literal sometimes.
Thanks for sharing an interesting story! Maybe there is a chance you'll tell us more about Sol Invictus some other time?
Thank you so much for your comment. It would be difficult to talk about the Sol Invictus concert, because compared with others, it went very smoothly and Tony Wakeford was such an uncomplicated, charming gentleman. As a personal experience, I have only positive things to day about Tony, but that doesn't make much of a story. It was actually the Ordo Equitum Solis concert around the same time that was a little more complicated, for very different reasons.
As you describe it this should have been the ‘92 tour… With Simon Norris on keyboards wan’t it?
I did see them in Bochum then and asked Douglas for a concert in Bruges / Belgium… I distinctly remember him telling he that if we we’re would be doing it we’d better do it right with a very commanding voice… (which off course rather intimidated me as a (then) 18yo fan 😂)…
All in all the gig was booked but eventually was cancelled due to reasons not totally clear to me up to this point, although jealousy and gossip from another Belgian promoter might have something to do with it…
All in all I got my chances later on and organised them 3 times in 1998, 2013 and 2014… Memorable evenings with lots of stories that can not be disclosed… Even when I was not so really into it musically the last two times, it was more out of respect and friendship. Douglas and stayed in contact ever since.
But regarding the shady elements in the audience on your night… Are you referring to the stasi like VF guys that had to blend in or the the uniform cloud? I think I know who you’re referring …. Met a lot of those on our Germany trips, me and a friend spent a lot of time in the Erlangen scene in 90ties… So chance is we did meet back then… We knew Stefan very well…
Thank you for your wonderful commentary. By now I could pin down the date of the concert, because I have a lot of the printed tickets still here, using them as bookmarks in books. So it was only a matter of time that I opened a book and one of those Stefan-designed tickets fell into my lap. So I could see, that the concert was 28. November 1993. I am pretty sure that Douglas had Simon Norris with him, playing keyboards. So the sound was very much in mood of "But what ends ...". They were a three-piece on stage, with Boyd Rice doing whatever he felt like doing - mostly beating a huge timpani.
The endless obsession of some Germans to constantly try to cancel Death In June felt always so ridiculous and almost embarassing. Particularly because we knew, that such a large portion of the audience identified rather as anarchists or socialist, if anything... But mostly didn't care about this old-fashioned polarity. And you could not "sell" this music to "proper Nazis", because those just threw up thinking it is some weird gay-shit. Well, which it is - that's the beauty about it.
I stopped thinking abouth those things rather shortly after. But I remained friend with Allerseelen and 15 years later I visited a concert by Allerseelen - just for kicks and was quite surprised, that this whole nonsense was still going on: there were like 20 guys with Arafat-scarves in front of the club, more like a posse, intercepting everyone, handling out leaflets against Allerseelen and demanding we don't go inside. Some people just have nothing betting to do.
Indeed, it was '93 because the cancelled gig for Bruges was planned in '94... The '92 tour was the one involving the whole situation on that dark Christmass festival in Bonn
Interesting abd quite amusing story. Ive never met Boyd but i met Douglas many times and always got on well with him, very friendly and polite. Maybe its because we are both British?
No, I think it's mostly because 35 years ago I was an obnoxious lanky asshole. If I met Douglas today I would probably get along with him very well.
@@AlesPickar 😂
Yep it was a cassett mail order world back in 86-93 for this type (NoN type noise?).
I still have boxes filled with these tapes. Maybe time to put it all on TH-cam. But a lot of these jackets (particularly those from Japan) are pure P*rn. I would spend forever trying to blur it all out.
Boyd Rice thought it is another prank but it costs him a lot. People take any Marxists lightly but being a facist became a hugh liability for anyone. People don’t condone one with the past in facism. He probably didn’t realize how much it hinders his musical career.
Actually he was isolated completely even by Albin Julius and Doug Pearce who were part of the scene.
I don't think it's a prank anymore
there are appearances in racist tv shows all over youtube @@shannonm.townsend1232
Funny thing is as we see everywhere now we always knew the clamorers who shriek 'fascist' are the essential fascists.
@@pinecone9045 well that's a dumb logic
That was a great tale! I held those artists and their peers in the highest regard during the 1990s, I probably would have similarly carried around the onus for that argument but glad you divested yourself of the burden, you seem like a very sweet & relatable guy, and it's not too controversial to say that Boyd & Douglas are or can be, assholes of a classic type, or difficult personalities, or some combination. I will say I saw DIJ in 2014 in a tiny club and was surprised by both the mellow vibe, and pleasantness of Douglas P.
Thank you so much. I enjoyed your comments a lot! I am deeply convinced that if I met Douglas today I would have a very different experience with him. On the one hand: I am not too crazy about the 23-year-old-me (I could be a bit of a twat back in the day - probably trying to mask my lack of life experiences) and on the other hand I wouldn't be so stressed out by the entire situation. Besides I've always felt somewhat drawn to Douglas. I don't know if it is some homoerotica thing, or just that fact that he represents the soft-spoken, thoughtful artist so well. Which I always liked much more in an artist than the limelight-greedy self-promoter. I will always prefer someone like Brendan Perry to some narcissist. And a part of me admires when someone is able to take something that doesn't seem to have any real commercial value and still make a living out of it. I respect that.
Great story. I've always had so many questions about DIJ's politics and gestalt. When I was in high school I bought "burial" and it still today is one of my favorite albums of all time by anyone. Later, I learned about Crisis ( who I adore) and how they used to play rock against racism shows and had very pro-LGBTQ lyrics. I then heard how they were related to Above The Ruins and how they were asked to write a theme song for the national front or something, and then the bands that followed as you mentioned. I was puzzled how they went from those rock against racism shows to basically dressing like third Reich officers and their use of some of the familiar symbols that were related to that era. I just figured they were gay dudes who were REALLY into WW2, (which I can relate to at least on the WW2 history fascination. I used to collect german uniforms, as well as Soviet and other Allied nations) much like the late Lemmy Kilmeister, I may collect these things but I do not espouse any of the fascist political views whatsoever. This can be hard to convey to people sometimes, so I don't really bring it up much. I'm basically a Democratic socialist, anti-capitalist, anti-colonialist, 3-arrows person. I used to be really fascinated with boyd rice in his early, prank-driven years, especially. Most recent footage I've seen of him, post COVID, appears like he's gone full, trump-lover, maga-jerk. It's pretty disappointing. COVID broke a lot of people's brains I guess. America is an increasingly stupid place these days. Its embarrassing and I feel ashamed quite often as an american in front of the rest of the world. A majority of us are pretty decent and intelligent people. It's the brainwashed reactionary yokels and maga-cult goobers that tend to be the ones you see on the news though. They are still a significant minority of all Americans, at least... Well, at least for NOW, anyway. Cheers.
@@JustV-e5x Mate with respect, don't feel bad on behalf of your government, or the apparatus of imperialism which is it's main export. Also, try not to completely write off any radical portions of the population, we share a commonality of exploitation that can be built into a resistance with the broadest possible base.
Also, I afore Crass too! Especially Penis Envy, when Eve Libertine was allowed to stretch her legs
Oh goodness. Sounds like Doug and Boyd were having a bad day 😅 I do enjoy listening to a lot of Death In June’s music. It sounds relaxing to me most of the time. I had posted some of the music on TikTok and sure enough I caught some grief. Mostly from users who only had content taken from somewhere else and reposted, not their own, and of course showing no image of their face. The others were Taylor Swift fans who are so anti-fascist that they are fascist about being anti-fascist.
Well, I am sorry that you had a bad experience upon meeting Doug and Boyd. Kindly making a suggestion toward them didn’t warrant their reaction. However, I do believe they are both magic wizards in their own right. Perhaps the unkind energy you had thrown at the girl in the bathroom who just suffered something probably no one even knows about, got thrown directly right back in your face through Doug and Boyd.
I hope you don’t find that comment insulting. I will say at least you don’t look like someone who would have been 22 years old in the 90’s. I thought you were maybe closer to my age.
Thanks for sharing your story ❤
You are not wrong. And I hope my video did not neglect to express that I do not think Douglas and Boyd were in any way "in the wrong", or did not have a valid point. I mean, the only real point in this story is, that I was too young, too stupid and too unprofessional.
That being said: things were always like that. Even back in the 1960s, when the bands were 19 years old, managed by managers who were 20 years old and performing in venues organized by guys who were 22 years old. So usually chaos and confrontation. But in the end, that's why there are interesting and funny stories to tell. If we were always wise and professional, it would probably be better - but there would be almost no stories to tell.
And I really did grow um in the 70s and 80s. The first band I ever saw live was "The Police". :-)
I guess the lack of a receding brow can go a long way for a man. Or maybe it's because I don't drink alcohol. :-)
I think your story is great, although it was traumatic for you at the time, but you were 22, Tony agreed with you, greetings from Chile. ant-zent STORY... ALL THE BEST
Thank you very much for your visit. I'm glad you could enjoy it - I tend to be long-winded... :)
Very uncomfortable but that was the underground at the time, even more uncomfortable now, hummmm, old is new! Cheers!
You are absolutely right. I hope I didn't sound in any way whiny. :)
And all because of those damn Nazis... right??? Oh wait, no... all because of people looking for "Nazis" who aren't there... even when there aren't any they will find someone to agrees against no matter where they are.
I feel the edginess was definitely an attitude of bands during the 90s. Then again even before then the Sex Pistols wore some controversial clothing. I find DIJ to be the type to flirt with the taboo or to elicit some uneasiness probably for the amusement of the band.
Today I feel that some artists use a similar method of being controversial to get attention. Social media being the main way of seeking exposure. Unfortunately, troubled people with their own political ideologies can misinterpret the music and the irony of a gay man using fascist symbolism is lost on them and seen as a validation of their perceived grievances.
Perhaps I am wrong as I don't know a lot about Douglas. However, it seemed like he was trying to get a rise out of people like so many artists of his time.
I think your analysis is spot on. I guess it is not always ment to be "humorous" and reflects sometimes a vague sense of nostalgia, or some strange longig. Actually it might not be that different from contemporary women, identifying with the world of 20s Burlesque, which everybody then finds very sexy, despite certain realities of life of the 20s probably not being that charming.
Big difference between boyd rice and douglas p
Interesting story ❤
Thank you.
I like my copy of Brown Book. Its quite lovely.
Hard to believe that DiJ’s music, despite imagery, would drag along a weird, violent crowd, along with those antifa nuts and even intelligence services, what with it being somewhat mellow folky music sang by an openly gay English man who has played concerts in Israel.
Boyd Rice is another thing altogether. I’ve never really liked his music, but I’ve been fascinated by his character and I can definitely picture him yelling his lungs out at you.
Yeah, you are very right. People often need to latch onto something they can declare as dangerous and as something that "corrupts our children". Now in the mid-90s, people should have been getting up by the millions and protesting the systematic neo-liberalization of Europe - which, as we can see now, is the real pre-apocalyptic event. But people loved consumer technology in those days and dancing empty-headed on the Loveparade. The German effort to demonize DIJ and Boyd Rice was always slightly ridiculous and always somewhat reactionary. As if a guy, selling in Germany 1000 records a year would make any kind of difference.
But the problem goes deeper, because Germans lack any kind of substance in understanding what Fascism or Nazification is. You can teach a child, why it is not good, to touch their own faeces, or you only teach a child that "doo-doo bad". Germany is in the latter category. It's understanding of Fascism is infantile. On the surface. It is a reflex, whenever something appears, that might smack of Third Reich, to present a certain reaction. Of course, at the same time, Germany constantly finances Nazis around the world, while being completely blind to that fact.
A few years ago Death in June was going to come to my country, Argentina, but some idiots filed a complaint with a public body, accusing Douglas of being a neo-Nazi. Finally, harassed by pressure, the organizer canceled the show...we still haven't lost hope of being able to bring Douglas one day. As I understand it, he wants to come. Best regards and thank you very much for sharing the story!
Thanks for your comment and your insight. It is very similar in Germany. I think after the "Rose Clouds" album, the German system completely shut down in regard of DIJ. And in the current atmosphere, some people think "banning & cancelling" is the answer to everything. It almost feels like someone thinks George Orwell's "1984" is manual and not a warning.
@@AlesPickar I agree!!! the dictatorship of the political correction.....Greetiings from Buenos Aires, Agentina!!
I was there.
Interesting story! I really like Death in June‘s music but I don’t condone their aesthetics or Douglas’s lyrics. Your story kinda confirms my suspicions that Douglas is a bit of a weirdo and is definitely not somebody to idolize.
Thanks for your visit and comment. I am kinda mixed on that. I think he is a great lyricist and I think there is always the trap in his work, that people think it is political, while it is much more about him being a gay man and about his somewhat humorous way to come out to people as a pervert. But his style of course invites confusion and misunderstanding. People in Germany basically never got him properly. But I can imagine in France people understand the context better. Nonetheless - it is what it is - intentional provocations that invite protest. But in all fairness he was never whining about the backlash. On the other hand - as an artist who feeds himself, he always had to accept that a certain part of his audience gets it all backwards, and yet had to avoid to bite that feeding hand. So there always was a problem there.
@@AlesPickar Honestly, Douglas really did it to himself with the whole Nazi fetishization thing. If it wasn’t for the really offputting aesthetics, I would show Death in June to a lot more people than I currently do.
It’s actually amazing how you people go through your lives neuroticizing over everything. Doesn’t it get tiresome?
@@Astavyastataa I agree people really need to get a life. The aesthetic is a huge draw imo
Everyone who does not see the "trolling" aspect in DIJ or Boyd Rice is a damn idiot. Seriously Boyd Rice flirts with anything that causes shit storm. Satanism, fascism, chauvinism... He likes to push buttons and get reaction. He is like Seth Putnam and does not give a fuck about social standards. Its more about good laughs
You booked a band in a 400-500 persons venue but entrance/tickets weren't limited to 500...?? At OJC Kompas in Sint-Niklaas we did had a problem when punkband Oi Polloi attracted more costumers than we could let in or had tickets for... They simply showed up thinking they could get in at the entrance, but that was a no-go... So the rest of the visitors were guided towards the upstairs Kompas café and to the city... A lot of punks stayed outside at the sidewalk, prompting some neighbours to call the cops due to 'nuisance'... Cops arrived and proceeded to push the punks back in, where they were told to get out again... Things were tense but managable until one of the cops pushed a punk girl against the wall for 'coming to close'... her boyfriend didn't let that pass and the rest is local history... It's funny, years of selfless dedication towards the local alternative scene and giving the misfits a home to create beautiful things and no word in the press... and then suddenly you're making the frontpages...
Interesting story. Thanks for sharing it. Yeah, we didn't even keep it to "real" tickets, once people starting to arrive. I think we had like 300 tickets printed, but I gave out maybe 100, and then it was only a stamp against the fee, because it was getting chaotic anyway... We were totally incompetent.
I know oi polloi. I've drink a many of drink and even was so wasted I ask one of the memembers "are those white laces on them boots!?" He responded " we are under a weird florescent light. These laces are yellow" 😂 I'm a black man from pdx who helped book di6 at a show protested by antifa.
Wow a snippet of unknown music history brought to light after nearly 3 decades, talk about being underground all that raw anti-publicity and vows of silence😤...so that indie underground uber kool "zine" that could have been, caused by a real hard core nilhistic values system, that sadly prevented a great printed news outlet (pre-internet boom) from ever materializing. If it had existed, wow it coulda published that live performance, and many other future shows, serving as a unofficial limited edition, cheap paper, with black and white printed directory and couldsla offered advertising and supported its own cost...showing first hand hints of the ultra chic music scene, a gritty glimpse into the a rare 1990's Soviet Era music scene in West Germany. A well kept secret, from pure resistance to an over commercialized, pop mainstream music industry...man that would be a valuable collectors item nowadays for sure. Oh well, at least now it's a short video documentary, all thanx to you, an your youtube channel, now uploaded forever into the vastness of cyberspace... nice 🤟 😎 👌
Oh BTW speaking about that magic time in the late 80'- early 90's, did you ever get to see Throbbing Gristle, Revolting Cocks, or perhaps Skinny Puppy? Thought Boyd Rice, or Monte Cazzaza had a correspondence with Genesis Porridge or Lady J.? now sadly both gone...🖤.R.I.P. 🖤.. They had their second awesome band Psychic T.V. was around back in that same timeline right?
Thanks for your visit. I was a year or two too young to really come across Genesis or Psychic TV. We knew people like Tony Wakeford, lot of people from Japan ... I remember bumping into Rodney Orpheus from Cassandra Complex on a regular basis. And I had a really stupid falling-out with Frans de Waard, which still pains me, since he is one of the great pioneers of underground zine culture and 80s underground music in general. But... what can you do? Life goes on. After 1995 I kinda lost interest. The only band I kept in contact basically up until now is O Yuki Conjugate. By the way - underground fanzines... That's a good point. I have a whole stack of those. This might indeed make material for some nice videos. At least for us weird people. Take care!
@@AlesPickarlove Cassandra Complex!
@@shannonm.townsend1232 Almost a bit of an underrated band, right? I really like "Satan, Bugs Bunny, and Me" and they had a great New Wave energy. Probably influencial on a band like Nine Inch Nails. I also saw them live a few times back in the day, particularly because they were on many Indy festivals. I remember Rodney being a very professional frontman, because back in the day their synths were all running on Atari and that thing broke down like once in every concert - so it was up to the singer, to somehow keep the flow going so people didn't get bored or angry.
bro you're afraid to hang out with a musician? come on.. you sound like a scientologist
Yeah, so when people project something on other people, it is usually that what they represent themselves, but can't acknowledge.
I was a huge DIJ fan when I was younger and didn't know my history as well as I do now, and I'm all for preserving artistic integrity and not overexplaining art. At the same time, if you've commented that you ran across National Bolshevism and eventually Strasserism in search of a new political future, you drone on about the greatness of Europa and European Culture in your music and interviews, your band is named after The Night of the Long Knives when the SA was purged, you happen to be a gay man just as leader of the SA Ernst Rohm was, and you'd rather have gigs cancelled than make a statement in opposition of fascist ideologies, you have some explaining to do beyond calling everyone stupid for not 'getting it'. If this stuff weren't a factor, sure, maybe I could give a little more benefit of the doubt, but if it walks like a duck...
At bare minimum, even if he didn't go into some drawn out explanation of what it all means, he could be like yo fuck fascists, fuck nazis, fuck all this right-wing bullshit... but he doesn't. He tries to pretend it's all too clever and mysterious and it's all superficial misconceptions blahblah. It's the same crap we hear from even scummier characters like Mikko Aspa. You can find an interview with Peter Christopherson floating around where he more succinctly says this same thing about Douglas.
He may not be a Nazi in the Hitler sense or cover everything in swastikas, and he's not so blatant as groups like Xenophobic Ejaculation, but he is unquestionably a fascist and xenophobe whose conception of 'left-wing' when he was younger morphed into Third Position fascism. So when he talks about having read more of Kapital than Mein Kampf, or plays a show in Israel (which is a whole other issue itself), it sounds like a suggestion he's not a Nazi, but it's actually just a dodge. Most people don't even know what Third Position fascism even is, despite that the modern presentation of fascism is much more in accordance with those ideologies. Even if the people engaged in propagating it probably aren't even aware of it.
It's not hard to say "fuck Nazis" or "fuck fascism", and if you actually hold such principles, there is no chance in hell you're gonna be shy about it. Even if we pretend Douglas isn't a fascist, and maybe is a full-blown leftist at heart, then he's at best a fucking coward. I realize this is all well-tread ground and people choose to believe there's some deeper purpose behind it all, and I used to make the same equivocations, but it's really not as complex as people want to believe. Dude sucks.
Poor baby :(
Do you feel better now?
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fuck explanations, fuck having opinions on everything, fuck this new puritanism , you have a choice to like art for what is presented - or not, changing your likes on the basis of info not presented is self-flagellation.
@@rattusvore9259 That info is literally presented front and center and blatantly obvious. People's willingness to equivocate and get super defensive at the idea that ol' Doug is a fascist isn't really my problem. You don't accept what's been presented because you don't want to. Read some books on Third Position fascism, it's not hard to figure out.
@@cathoderituals that is a lot of assumption, I dislike D.I.6 because the music is dreary nonsense - not because of symbols used, getting upset over squiggles takes a hell of a lot of bands out of the playlist..
Never a Nirvana fan. It’s all moan, moan, moan and his voice is awful.
Well generally speaking the whining had never really stopped until now... Soon after that the entire Brit-Pop thing happened, which I still hate with a vengeance... But don't tell that to anyone, because I am all about the message of peace and love (to quote Ringo). And today everybody is whining in the microphone plus autotune. I guess I am old.
@@AlesPickar I’m 63. I loved Brit pop. I can’t stand current, overproduced selfie “music “. Check out Space Engineer, coming down, here comes that feeling, don’t know why, 2 am.. all on TH-cam, Spotify etc. Thanks for video, I enjoyed it. ✌️
I'm much younger than you (32 years old) but I too wasn't really aware of what I was dealing with when I started listening to Neo-Folk. I ended up getting some disgusting stares while asking for Death in June records in certain record stores that I used to frequent in NYC. I of course always eventually found what I was looking for. I can also say that I never had that issue while browsing for these sort of records (not only DIJ) while in Europe. I ended up getting some records signed by Douglas in a basement in Mexico City. Then I got introduced to someone else in Mexico City who was friends with Douglas and who also hanged out with Boyd a few times. I also ended meeting up with some people in Los Angeles that I found online at some random Tiki bar (because Boyd loves Tiki bars) and believe me, some of those meetings were tense. Not everyone was there for the same reason. Both in Mexico City and Los Angeles and some other places with much more forgettable experiences. No trouble happened but I guess you can imagine. I still have an extensive collection of Neo-Folk and records from other genres from those gatherings. The books I got into, the people I got to know, the places I got to frequent, the websites I used to visit, everything changed for me after kind of naively getting into DIJ. I still love DIJ but I treat the whole situation with respect nowadays. I ended up being called a Neo Nazi or an extremist (which I'm not) in my own music scene. I don't regret anything, I'm still into it but much more carefully.
Hi there, thanks so much for sharing. I can totally understand the discomfort of situations like that. It certainly evokes a notion that as a civilization we are not advancing. Particularly when people try to judge you based on the art you occupy yourself with. In Germany there is a word, that gains popularity: Kontaktschuld. So basically guilt by association. It is destroying culture from the inside and thrives on scandal. This year "Ramstein" was probably a good show-case of hot air packed in Media nonsense. But probably nothing can compete with the collective psychosis that elements in the German society constantly try to build up in regard of Roger Waters. It is all just a orchestrated effort, to shun the one dangerous notion: that our lives should be dedicated to fight the entire political class and their creepy donors. But it starts with someone telling you that something is wrong with you if you listen to this oder this music.
you should take the REAL good from it, you bringed in an antifa place, death in june and boyd rice, you're a legend because of this, especially at 22 :) cheers
p.s. i saw also the AWESOME ep, cathedral of tears, shaped, i own it as well, awesome work; death in june are so great