Death in June vs Current 93
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- Death in June and Current 93 have both been deeply influential to me as an artist. They are two band which often come as a pair in people's minds, but here I outline the fundamental differences in their aesthetics, poetics, politics, and their visions of the occult.
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"A lonely antique dealer excited to show you his wares" Probably the best description i've ever heard to describe David Tibet's vocal delivery. 🤣
Ha right? Nice Snow Crash handle btw
yeah I love it lol
Or an English mouse with a knife.
@@lunarvision
Nice and fitting!
" In a foreign town , in a foreign land " and " I have a special plan for this world " are some of the greatest Party music recordings I can think of .
@@ulehlud9027 Faust is incredible ... you slowly get into Tangerine Dream ( Kraftwerk had always been there in one shape or another so ... no need to expand , I think ) , some Ash Ra temple ... Can and NEU! might follow next ... 1 year later and you´re irreversibly messed up in the head to one extent or another by a bunch of pretty adventurous and sexy German lads 😂 .
Fields of rape!
DI6=Apollonian energies, C93=Dionysian energies.
Good way of putting it. But who would be Cygnus here?
Thanks Fred
@@dandemont5838 was gonna say the same lol
Hi, popping in a year later cause I’ve got a question. What the hell does this mean?
@@pietandersen6120 It's a reference to Friedrich Nietzche's The Birth of Tragedy. Two expressions of culture related to a left and right brain relationship. Rational
(Apollonian) vs Chaotic(Dionysian). Death in June vs Current 93. :p the perfect balance.
I collaborated with David Tibet on a book, and I love both bands, but I remember before David committed to being part of the book, he said to me, "This can have NOTHING to do with hate". Obviously it didn't, but I think the misperception of DIJ has weighed heavy on David, and made him weary of people misinterpreting these things. Think about it. Most DIJ and C93 stuff delves deeply into the lexicon of darkness.
If I'm not mistaken, David actually cut ties with Douglas and DIJ. If that's true, then that really shows what impact that weariness has had on him. To my knowledge, David's doing pretty good in life right now, and good for him (I've heard he was going through depression around the time of the Imperium album, which was also when he was working with DIJ), I just hope he's ok
@@goldalien2016He's doing great from what I've seen. Also the most recent music C93 has put out has been, in my opinion, some of Tibet's best work. Light is Leaving Us All and If a City is Built Upon a Hill are two of my absolute favorites.
@@nicknickson3650 Good to hear he's doing alright! I have yet to listen to the full album for "The light is leaving us all", but I've listened to "If a city is set upon a hill", and I really enjoyed that one. My first exposure to his music was with Imperium, and only becuase it was in a Warhammer 40k video, lol, but I was amazed by the variety of music in each album. Most of Imperium sounded creepy/depressing, but then you've got If a city is set upon a hill, which has many songs that are more somber, but almost in a peaceful way. It was like an adventure of some sort, discovering more about Current 93 and their music, it felt like diving into a well of dark water, not knowing where I'd end up, and resurfacing with a pearl in my hands. In the end, I'm glad I found out about Current 93, and even just neofolk in general. It helped me through some rough times, I'll admit
@@goldalien2016You should listen to The Light is Leaving Us All! That album and I Am the Last of All the Fields that Fell are very easily digestible C93 albums.
Also glad you're enjoying Neofolk. I have to recommend my favorite neofolk group, The Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus. If you have the time I hope you can give them a listen th-cam.com/video/zENXZYhY_vs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HxcpQc_J5ugKETtE
@@goldalien2016really? i heard that douglas cut ties with david, not the other way around, and because david recorded that album with tiny tim in the 90s, who was i believe, homophobic, hence why doug p left.
That book has been sitting on my shelf for a while now. Time to resume my eternal game of catch up. Really great to see someone speaking about these bands and the underlying ethos. Became utterly consumed with C93, TG, Di6, et al in the past year. Excellent work.
Been a fan of both of these bands for a very long time and just happened upon this video expecting to just watch a couple of minutes, and before I knew it I watched the whole thing. Just an absolutely fantastic video, very insightful, and amazingly spoken. Definitely got a sub from me for this. Great job.
This is such a wonderful video, I have watched it several times and really enjoy your insight and thoughts on these two incredible groups.
I’m surprised there aren’t more videos out there dissecting what these two groups have to offer. So similar and yet so different, both with plenty to unpack.
I’m glad people feel that I’ve done the groups justice 🙏
And Sol Invictus (Tony ex Death in june) his project is like the middle ground between the two!
That guy *cannot* sing.
@@paolovallejo8022 That's nothing, you should hear him play piano.
Oops wrong vocalist.
@@ardillarojo Mozz
This was a brilliant analysis - two artists that mean a lot to me.
Amazing analysis. Helped to see some things through different perspective and sets of eyes.
Some interesting and well constructed thoughts/insights, two of my favorite artists since the late 80's. Cheers, well done.
This video is excellent, and a wonderful & welcome find! Thank you for encapsulating all this! Even as I'm now, still, more in preference of David Tibet/Current 93, this video contextualized my love/appreciation for both DIJ and C93, and the possibilities of their meaning and weight in my life. Close combat with that threat of "crisis of meaning". A reinvigoration of symbols, I suppose, and their nourishing vitality. Thank you
Really glad for the positive engagement Aniket
@@charlielookerNYC Thank you for your reply! If this somewhat 'weird' subgenre of ... postpunk-postindustrial-apocalyptic-neofolk has any "essence!" or otherwise essential qualities, I think this video held that spirit firm and intact as well. (might as well throw in 'postmodern' , maybe, to the genre tag, less so for the spirit in neofolk of course but maybe more so for the world of 1980 and beyond, the then world and cultural interior of postmodernity etc). DIJ and C93 continue on, in an ever-evolving capacity I suppose, where the 'post' of modernity is maybe more accelerated now, more 'hyper' than ever. Sorry for this wall of text! Excellent, excellent video, and thanks again for the reply sir, take care
excellent analysis, thanks for this video
loved the comparison
Had been looking for a way into C93 for years and finally found it with A Sadness Song and Thunder Perfect Mind. I think the penny just dropped. Thanks 🙏🏻
Wow man, you're video has been floating in my recommended vids forever. Glad I caved and clicked on it. You did a great job at articulating the profound.
I’ve been aware of both projects since the 90s, but am only really starting to get into them now. This was a great video, thanks man.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Enjoy the neofolk explorations
Damn I’m 21 and if I would put on DIJ at a party people would think I’m either suicidal or a serial killer.. or both
Rough. Well there are definitely plenty of kids your age who are down with it. Just gotta find them and have them over
@@charlielookerNYC DIJ is one of my all time favorite bands and I am currently getting into current 93 (no pun intended). The problem rather is that most of my friends are punks so they probably would get very confused by Douglas P but I don’t really care i have no problem with listening to DIJ on my own :D
i’m 21 and i love dij :)
Put it on at a party! 🤟🏽
@@charlielookerNYC I'm 23 and luckily know more than enough people into this glorious music! It's a blessing
dude great video, i have had this debate with myself many a time
also in regards to something you mentioned, i CAN tell you that i have put on current 93 at a party before, and it MAYBE just led to all of us sitting around the tv in a stoned stupor in complete silence listening to thunder perfect mind
Such a great topic. Thank you
Nailed it, amazing!
I wonder if even just holding onto the thought of “i won’t divert into politics” is letting you go deeper
I can't stay away :/
Lol @ the thumbnail... Great video Charlie, really interesting :)
Glad you liked
This guy knows what's up... good work
So awesome. You done ur homework very well :-) And Its good that you openly spoke about this whole "scandalous" DI6 thing and explained it very well. And on top, Im a DI6 fan for years now and you made me wanna dig in deeper into Current now. Your doing it all with a fan heart but also from a realistic point of view. Thats the video I would show people to explain them the big DI6 dilemma :-) Cool guy, definetely.
Its so funny, cause I gotta friend whos a Tibet and Wakeford - ultra when it comes to this, whereas Im a queer DI6-addict. We somehow know to appreciate the others music and reason to like it, we can hang out together and always end up listening and dancing to both our bands :D but we alsways keep making some snippy comments about each others musical heroes XD and this you can perfectly feel in your video as well.
Cool man, definetely! Greetings from germany :-)
I love hearing all of this Fabian. Thanks for your serious engagement! Stay tuned for more...
Summarizing Death in June and Current 93's respective aesthetics, from classic songs in their back catalogues..."Power Has a Fragrance" and "Anyway, People Die".
The idea of putting on Current 93 at a party is so funny
Great Video, thanks alot for this comparsion of DiJ and C93. I could have watched & listened to it for hours more.
And a very positive benefits is, that i discovered your Band Seaven Teares through this and Just ordered the Power Ballads on Vinyl; amazing music and i Love the "Them Bones" Cover
Very cool. I enjoyed this.
Very interesting video. Ive been listening to C93 loosely over the last few years but never dove really deep into them or David Tibet, this helped put things in perspective.
I have to recommend you some music from the swedish progg scene of the 1970s. It shares some interesting thematic similarities with C93 that i think you might appreciate.
They mixed the progressive rock sound of the time with traditional swedish folk music, which creates a really unique sound. Though, they are usually not nearly as dark and menacing as C93 often is
Merit Hemmingson and her albums ”Huvva! Svensk folkmusik på beat” and ”trollskog” are gems largely forgotten to time.
I realize that this is an older video, but it's still cool to come across a content creator talking about these bands. I agree with what you were saying about the difference between both bands and the reactions that you get when you put them on at a party haha! I really adore both these bands but I rarely come across others who are familiar with them. What do you feel about Swans? The Swans newest album is really good, but I haven't come across anyone that I can really talk to about it (These days I'm living in a very small mountain town). Im always a little afraid to listen to new music by these bands (that I love) especially after they haven't released anything for quite some time. It can either be incredible or incredibly disappointing.
It's also interesting that you mentioned Coil too. Recently I've been having a Coil revival, Coil and Einstürzende Neubauten.The cover of Soft Cells version of Tainted Love is so haunting on multiple levels. The video really makes it. I've always really loved Throbbing Gristle too, but I just really like the direction that Coil went in. There's a handful of wonderful bands that dwell under that umbrella, that unfortunately go unnoticed by these younger generations. That vein of occultism is almost wholly ignored at least in my experience. It's very sad. TOPY is an interesting subject unto itself. I'm definitely going to check out your channel.
If you haven't checked out King Dude yet than I highly recommend him, especially his record Full Virgo Moon. King Dude is varied in style (in a good way), but I definitely hear influences of these bands in his work, especially Death June.
I never thought I'd hear analysis of my records; interesting video
fantastic video!
I am a normie when it comes to music, and only discovered Douglas P last week.
Hope you can introduce me to more great music :)
What an amazing video. Went much further than I expected into tons of interesting directions. Thanks for the brain dump.
Excellent commentary. I've always felt that Tibet and Pearce were on the same path but chose very different paces and noted very different things along the way.
Tibet is ephemeral and ultimately hopeful, while Pearce marches along stolidly and taking more note of where he was. I kind of get a vibe from Tibet's music that he's nearly discovering things as he goes along- almost like he's with the listeners and by no means is he in a hurry to take anyone anywhere.
Pearce, on the other hand, doesn't dance about with wonder. Some pain somewhere along the way won't let him go, and he will take whomever he can down into his labyrinth.
I love both but if I'm being honest, Pearce is my Pied Piper. Currently on a Nurse With Wound/Blind Cave Salamander kick, but I'll always go back to DI6 and Current93.
Damn I didn’t know Squidward’s house had a channel
Loved this video you have an amazing way of speaking
Thank you!
also Coil's title "Further Back and Faster" comes from the film "performance" from 1970.
Great video!
I can’t believe I’ve just heard someone else call douggie P “daddy” 😂. Was once on an 18hour bus ride listening to some DIJ and that exact thought went through my mind, glad I’m not the only one
David Tibet gives me an Edward Ka-spell vibe, but more urgent sounding
This is a conversation I would like to have with some strangers at a bar
Great video, really enjoyed that.
On David's voice, I think the closest person I can think of is Robin Williamson from the Incredible String Band - a band that I know David has cited as an influence - but his voice is very unique.
Interesting breakdown of thoughts and ideas on both groups. I’ve been interested in these groups since I’ve been aware of them. Out of all of the “Hidden Reverse” artists, I’ve appreciated COIL the most. They were incredible artists exploring sound in a very deep way. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on COIL. I’m not sure how you could make it into as interesting a video as this one. Anyways I appreciate the video. Very insightful.
A Coil video would be so fun! I like to mix it up genre-wise though, so I probably won’t so one. They’re a big influence on me though.
@@charlielookerNYC That would be super awesome! Time Machines as a full album would be very interesting to discuss too.
you should make a video about coil too!!! great video, cant wait to watch the xiu xiu one
also any reason you’re omitting doug’s surname?
Hey man, I really enjoyed this video. I’m only just getting into Current 93, having listened a lot to Black Ships Ate the Sky; I’ve only listened to Heaven Street by Death in June. Can you maybe recommend where I should go next? Obviously they both have pretty vast and unwieldy discographies. Cheers
“What ends when the symbols shatter “ , “ Brown Book “ and “ NADA”.
Very nice video, I just sat to 40 minutes of this without realizing. I’ve learned so much from this, thank you for this
Thanks, my pleasure
Wyattximmm brought me here and that Orphic egg looks familiar but can’t place it…
love both
Hey Charlie, have you ever listened to Backworld? Joseph Budenholzer, the sole figure of Backworld, was associated with Tibet and other World Serpent neofolkers. Their focus is more on Christian Mysticism in the Catholic/Orthodox sense. Good stuff!
Very intelligent analysis. But although Tibet is a singer, a poet, an artist and a visionary, he is not a composer. When speaking about the music of Current 93, one should at least mention the wonderful Michael Cashmore who composed most of their songs in their classic period. Others have taken up that role since then, but not Tibet. On the other hand, Douglas writes the music of Death of June. The differences between the two bands are not only due to the different personalities and ideologies of Tibet and Douglas, but also to the different approaches to music between Douglas and the composers of C93's music.
I remember my friend playing current 93 when my band was on tour.i kept making fun of his voice i mimmicked it singing about goblins,castles,and magic but it grew on me and when we went camping we listened to thunder perfect mind and i became a fan
Maybe this only applies to the albums I tried, but I found current 93 more accessible. I couldn't get into death in june. Thunder perfect mind seems pretty normal to me. I've also always like sing talking, he reminds me of lou reed. I'm also kinda into the occult.
I think this is an excellent video and I do believe you've done a lot of work for it . but can you put the songs you mentioned into the video? I think it would make it even better. (by the way, you reading about mark Fisher is quite inspiring and does help me a lot)
So glad you like the Mark Fisher video. As for putting the songs in the videos, I''m trying to avoid putting actual music in these because it prevents me from monetizing the videos in certain ways. I still will do it for certain videos, but not always
"Falling back in the fields of rape..." if one has travelled through England and noticed massive fields of rapeseed, they will know. I can see an image of someone diving backwards, carelessly into these yellow surreal sea.
As if it only grew in England 😆
@@bgggshtAs if the artists being discussed are from England.
"Backward into fire, forward into ice".. sounds like a Boyd Rice reference maybe. 🍻
I don't love Rice's work in general, but he has really cool titles and imagery. He was actually the first noise music I ever heard.
I believe it is actually a TS Elliot reference. I may have a little inside knowledge on this one ; ]
DIJ doing Magnetic Fields... YES PLEASE!
That egg & snake is on the back of TAG'S The Delivery 1985 Berlin Atonal album
Does anyone know the C93 song where he is talking about the women fortune telling with a thread wrapped around pegs in the ground
Comus is the direct precursor to C93 to my ear. DIJ is extremely different.
Absolutely. Comus and Johnny Rotten.
I love imagining listening to Rose Clouds of Holocaust for the first time, having heard the rumor that David cut ties with Douglas after the last album, and then getting to the last track and hearing David hissing "IT'S ALL A DREAM, WAKE UP, WAKE UP" in your ears. freaky!!
Hey Charlie great vid. Wondering if you were a fan of Whitehouse and/or would be up to do a video about them?
A little late with my reply here. I'm not really big into pure noise in general, so Whitehouse was never a meaningful thing for me. They're interesting to think about. I would definitely watch a video about them if someone made one. I will say, I saw Cut Hands, Bennett's project, open for Godlfesh and I was pretty into it. But that was pretty different from Whitehouse
“Falling back into Fields of Rape”
It was also intended to reference the flower rapeseed or rape.
It wasn’t just Tiny Tim (rip) but also the royalties that supposedly World Serpent owed Boyd & Doug. I think that drew a line and broke up the family of all those bands on that label. Not even sure that Rice & Pierce are friends any longer last I heard but that was a few years ago now.
Thank you for the great upload 👍
Boyd and Doug aren't really in contact as far as I know, but Boyd posts some fairly positive Things about Di6 on social media from now to then, so I guess they still like each other.
Thanks for watching and commenting :) Good info as well.
Do any of you remember a band on World Serpent named Primordia? They did an album & a CD-single, then disappeared when World Serpent folded. The first time I ever spent time with my wife, even before our first "date", we walked into a record shop in Greenwich Village, NYC and they were playing Primordia, around mid-1992. I bought what turned out to be their whole catalog, and we still listen to it.
Im late to the party here in terms of your video, but not in terms of c93 and dij.
I have been listening to both of these outfits for well over 20 years.
I recall having cassetes of Dogs Blood Rising and back in the day it scared the shit out of me!
David Tibet is a master at what he does.
this is a song for douglas, after he's dead
Current 93 is a religious experience. Death in June feels more political.
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Fully agreed
I feel that both have that effect ( religious ).
Di6 for me was always a spiritual thing. Paganism, Runes, Reincarnation, Magic etc etc...but I think we read into it whatever works on a personal level, so what you and I see might differ, but neither is wrong, you know?
Two awesome bands!
Never thought that I'd be hearing of 'Daddys' and 'Bears' when it comes to these two, Douglas and David.
I was a Club DJ for years and got to a point in the mid-90's where I wanted to play kind of the music I liked, for the kind of people I associate with. That happened to be noise & industrial fans, and older goths (as opposed to high schoolers into Marilyn Manson at the time). The only bars or clubs that would book us were gay bars, so I got to know and befriend many gay men & women over the years. Amongst homosexual men into experimental music, most were of the "bear" type he refers to, these weren't the twee Hollywood hairdresser type you see on TV. Death in June, and especially Coil are icons for a lot of these men, and the reference you made is a big part of that. It doesn't really apply to C93, not with anyone I ever met.
I would love to hear your musings on coil.
Coil is so insanely deep to me
Great video.
Even though I think that lyrically and musically Tibet is superior to Douglas (especially now that Di6 has become quite repetitive) , I always find myself listening more Death In June. It is simple, yet captivating, touches on those topics that fascinate me most.
Love both anyway.
Does Michael Gira have a 'daddy' voice?
Really enjoyed this video. Though one thing I think you missed out on is how each artist talks about relationships.
So many Di6 songs are break up songs, Runes and Men, and the whole album Rule of Thirds seem to talk about loneliness and unsatisfaction and I think C93 often talks about love in a similar light with stuff like Gothic Love Song
I’m much more familiar with Di6 but imo there’s so much homoeroticism in his music. Makes me laugh that a lot of these NS guys probably don’t pick up on that side of it too much
Exactly!
Agreed. For me, "the Cat is Dead" or (coincidentally) "A Song for Douglas When He is Dead"
Yeah Di6 certainly relates on a personal level to the absolute dumpster fire that is my love life 😂. Nah seriously it does at least get what its like to be truly lonely.
Well he’s not actually NS from what I understand.
I'll listen to this talk later, but it struck me as beautiful therapy in poetic lyrical waves.
Does Bonehead or Boyd Rice bore you more?
"Fash'd out vibe" lol
I have been getting into these two artists a lot recently and this was a great video on them! I will say that while I don't particularly AGREE with Douglas P.'s aesthetics and his ties to people who share horrible ideologies, I still love the music and the WAY it's performed MOST of the time (he did go a tad too far on the funny-mustache-man-worshipping side with Brown Book, though). Plus, he handled the split with David quite immaturely based on what I have read of it.
I think Tibet's "Oh Im not into the second world war " speech is odd ~ particulary as his own song "Hitler as Kalki" definetely inspired by Esoteric hitlerist Savitri Devi he also wrote "One is the axis :anynonymous in glory "in "Punishment initiation" .,he told me he wasnt interested in Crowley yet had first editions of his paintings when i visited him in hastings.I think Tibet and Douglas made great music together but i think Tibet knew how to play the game ultimately and he threw Doug under the bus in order to win "Politically correct " vibes. i do like Current 93 particularly the years he worked with Rose and Doug and Freya .But with Death in June the music is on a higher plane.Thank you for having the guts to address these groups many wouldnt!.
Interesting perspectives on Tibet. I guess I hope that's not true, him selling out DP for PC reasons. I just imagined that he sincerely changed his vibes over the years toward a more humanist orientation which happens to be more widely socially accepted. But yeah, maybe it's more cynical, I don't know
I also fell out with Tibet , it most likely didn’t help when he invited me to stay at his house that weekend and his then wife said that I looked like an ex of hers . From then on he was quite rude . I remember when he’d heard about me playing with Boyd Rice ( Another Tibet turned against ) and said he wanted nothing to do with anybody who were friends with him , or Doug . I’m also about to start writing a record with Rose and I guess he’ll not like that much ..but tough ! Haha
@@jeromealexandre4162 Does he and Rose are not in good terms?
@Biarki J*ws I assume?
@@charlielookerNYCI always thought All pigs must die is anti David Tibet album, and maybe other people DP thinks betrayed him in the past, could be wrong of course.
Death In June is Chad music
It is
I never knew or suspected! 😂
I love both bands, two favorites.. but there is no contest.. Current 93 is the best band on the planet right now. And it'll stay that way I'm sure, unless Nick Cave puts Grinderman back together. lol. Nice video. 🍻
5 Stars for the Grinderman props!
whats a good place to start with current 93?
@@xisotopex Swastikas For Noddy, Aleph On Hallucinatory Mountain, Earth vs. Earth, Black Ships Ate The Sky. That’s a few of their master works. 🍻
Nick cave can fall off beachy head for all I care
@@bathroomsexmurder ok..
14:30 That song based on how I interpret it is about Christian colonizers from around the 16-17th century discovering the foreign land America in a foreign primitive/tribal time and going reaping genociding them and taking their land. Douglas has a very deep resentment for Christianity because of his parents from what I recall.
Re Mercury is dancing, you could view dancing as an act of rebellion, so maybe Douglas is acting in spite of himself, seems like a request to return to his origin and be honest.
I'm throwing that out, not thought it through.
Enjoyed the video. Ta
Yeah, I def think it's request. While his soul exists, there is hope and it Rejects his bullshit.
Great video & terrific observations.
My opinion on these two men are
Douglas P knows exactly who he himself is.
Tibet is still searching…..
Mishima gets brought up a few times here. Would you be able to suggest where to start with his work? He seems to have been quite a prolific writer.
“The Sailor Who Fell From Grace with the Sea” is a great place to start. It’s crushingly beautiful, not long, and pretty emblematic of his work.
@@charlielookerNYC thanks man!
Confessions of a mask is a good start. You simply must read the four book "sea of fertility" series, it's amazing!
Also Anohni and Baby Dee 'connected to the occult'?
what is a good point to investigate the "neofolk" of current 93?
"Thunder Perfect Mind" and "Black Ships Ate the Sky" are the longest (track length album length) and best examples of C93's neofolk side, in my opinion. 1994's "Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre" is a shorter album (14 tracks, under an hour) and could be a great entry point to their neofolk sound as well (my favorite song is "The Teeth of the Winds and the Sea"). Make of that what you will!
My compliments for such an insight into two very evasive and complex artistic paths. However, I must point out that you seem to overlook DIJ's esoteric, spiritual and symbolic elements, enphasising on the contrary the military imaginery per se, and not as methafors or symbols. And I think this is a mistake.
@12:30 I just watched Hitler: A Career (1977) on Netflix and the doc ends with the words “But what ends when the symbols shatter?”.
dark!
@@charlielookerNYC Highly recommend the podcast the Perfume Nationalist's episode on Rose Clouds of Holocaust if you haven't heard it already. Theyve also covered Current 93 and have an interview with Boyd Rice.
@@jyberpvnk I've only really heard him on The Beautiful Toilet podcast, which was cool. The whole perfume thing as a premise is pretty awesome.
Tibet is heavily into the theological concept of Patripassianism. Which is a form of theological modalism, the belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different modes of God
Interesting video. Although I enjoy a few C93 tracks (Earth covers earth especially) I am more of a Di6 guy. Nice to hear other folks perspectives on these things.
"I'm with it man. We live in Hell" that's a very powerful statement. Is that your own personal life perspective/outlook, or a consensual based conclusion you have formed? I'm genuinely curious to understand your perspective?
DI6 is more melodic in a traditional sense, C93 is melodic in an unorthodox sense. I can compared DI6 to more post punk artists I've listened to, where as Current 93 is simply incomparable or hard to draw comparisons.
On my god!!!!........Marry me!!!!!!! Please marry me!!!!! You have captured both these bands in words the way I carry them in my head! You have an amazing way of getting down to the grit of each band and it makes my heart so happy to find someone so intrigued and invested in them! Proud to meet you!!! So much symbolism.....yes......exposing capitalism......materialism.....capitalism has overpowered spiritualism....it's kinda sad. I love how David Tibet vocalizes like a sermon preacher and Douglas P vocalizes like a melodic structured song master. I loved your video on this comparison of these two bands! You spoke things I loved so much about each but couldn't find the right words to express properly myself! Brilliant video and explanation!!! You are my new best friend diving so deep into these bands and showing similarities and deep comparison. So happy to see someone else get the deep and complex messages of these two amazing bands!
It brings me great joy to hear this level of enthusiasm! Thank you
Also I think Doug's main gripe was more about Tibet writing a list to those on World serpent recordings to get them to turn on Douglas and accuse him of all ,kinds of stuff.Also Boyd was friends with Tiny Tim and that didnt seem to bother him.
Pretty sure the ranting and raving vocals in "Falling Back in Fields of Rape" are done by Steve Ignorant, not David Tibet.
Yeah I didn't know that at the time I made this. Good to know!
Just found out about Douglas’s tape… wtf
Iconic
Coil is the godhead
Watch the nursery video acephale is David Tibet... much more focused on transmission one
Burial, for sure, smokes TPM
I love the female voice sung version of sadness song the most. The melody is so cold and embodies actual sadness. With the lyrics it has a very chilling, grief filled vibe.
One of the deepest c93 lyrics, though it may be out of context and just a fragment, to me was from the album black ships: "...and I do believe what I don't believe!".
It's interesting that d Moore was gay. It seems contrary to his seemingly trad values.
As always, great podcast! Cheers 🍻
Rose McDowall she is lovely!
Tiny Tim is anything but a novelty singer. If you can’t see his influence in C93, you’re not listening very well.
Withdrawing from politics with Charlie and Douglas P.! He-he, instantly saved to watch queue, already dreading the pummeling by huge CAVEATS. But yeah, this takes me back to my late 90s early 00s 'hipsterdom'. It's somehow funny that this was the mainstream of late 90s early 00s 'hipsterdom' in Russia in Moscow. Oh how the mainstream of 'hipsterdom' has changed
Actually, what's even funnier is that this stuff went beyond hipster circles here at some point. At the height of mp3 CD piracy, you could buy an mp3 cd with complete DIJ discography displayed next to fcking AA batteries and chewing gum at a kiosk in an underground/Metro-adjacent passage, or a cd with complete C93 discography thats being sold next women's nylon pants and homemaking magazines.
@@explicitnought Moscow sounds so cool, both then and now.
@@charlielookerNYC The city's a gift that keeps on giving for sure. Even to a total autistic shut-in like me.
(although that specific era of ubridled pre-web2.0 "physical" music piracy is long gone)