Asmongold Reacts to "How Blizzard Killed WoW"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 เม.ย. 2021
- Asmongold watches a video by dodgykebaab, who breaks down what in his opinion was Blizzard's worst decision in bringing World of Warcraft forward, getting Expansions wrong. Especially after the release of the Shadowlands expansion it is clear how an infinite amount of features from the previous WoW iterations are being abandoned just to release new unfinished features. The insane subscribers drop off just months after Shadowlands release brings also the infamous question to the forefront, is retail WoW Dead!?...
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imagine paying for the expansion, paying for sub and then still have no new content
You'll pay for the new content too, in the in-game cash shop lol. It's kind of like the Swedish taxation system, where first you work for money, and one third of that is payed in tax, then you buy stuff in a store, and a fourth of that price is tax, then you get your pension from your tax money, a pension that is ridiculously low, and you still have to pay tax on that pension, in the end you just pay tax upon tax upon tax. You even had to pay a fee to pay your taxes before.
I like how professions in WoW since after Mists of Pandaria have been them re-releasing the exact same profession recipes with different names rescaled to the new level cap. The developers of the game are a fucking joke with no creativity.
Brainless people paying more money and spending time levelling professions for the exact same shit.
imagine paying for WoW when you can just buy tokens with gold.
@@Radaney This is WoW. Recipes? They do the same thing with gear.
@@Warcore9 New players don't have 100k gold bud.
"People's jobs depends on this game." Apart from those who got fired during record revenue year... Twice in a row.
just what i was looking for
Those were mostly in the marketing & esports department though iirc. Blizzard cutting down on tournaments etc. naturally means cuts in HR as well. I don't see why people get this upset with blizzard about this, it's corporate, they're aiming to make the most money, why would they keep people employed that work in departments they're cutting?
@@anony88 No, you didn't earn a right to play on a private server. It's illegal, it'll be illegal forever. The other option is to quit the game forever and invest your time to something else. No matter how much you are upset at Blizzard, the game is still their product, and no one has the right to play it illegally. This is not being a Blizzard shill, this is having a proper and honorable attitude; unlike your piracy-loving, arrogant, impudent, shameless and brazen way of thinking. If you are angry at Blizzard, that's perfectly fine. But to think that you have a right, you have earned a right to play it on illegal servers? That's not.
@@anony88 Those income numbers are in the past. WoW is nowhere near that subscriber count anymore, not by a long shot, hasn't been for years now. They're still making money, otherwise WoW would no longer be available to play, but again, nowhere near the 75 million $ monthly that they used to get.
The "right" to play a private server is purely fictional. The IP is within Activisions possession, and no amount of time spent on WoW will ever change that. Play whatever you like, but don't try to justify actively acting against globally enforced IPs with hours played, that just looks OMEGAdumb.
Also, again, please understand that the prime directive every large corporate operates under is to make as much money as possible whilst investing as little as possible. You don't have to like it, but calling Asmon a shill while he's giving Activision shit for basically every decision they've made since BFA is going overboard. :)
Not to mention Bobby gave himself a 200 million dollar bonus then fired a bunch of staff. They're going to fire staff anyways
Retail andys defending blizzards microtransactions...
Lmao address your community first Mr. 58 boost. Also, Andy is used to describe people lacking skill, which classic doesn't even require.
@@TylerRayPittman lol malding over WOW
@@TylerRayPittman litterly only people who play retail like the idea of the 58 boost idk what your talking about.
@@TylerRayPittman retail doesn’t require and skill either. You’ll just do what DBM tells you and you down my mythic easily.
@@Random-yb5di let's see your 2k cr and cutting edge
Private servers are 100% The reason blizz made classic. Nothing else...
true, private servers made people want classic end of story. Without them, the need for it would not have been as strong so blizzard would not have done it.
Yeah, and you can't say it didn't work out it their favor. I remember most vanilla private servers before the launch of classic had about 10K average daily players, which is really good for a private server. After classic launched, the daily average went down to about 500 players and that's absolutely mental, these numbers remain the same even now.
Reason they made classic is money.
Yeah but now they're making day care servers? So people will probably go back to a progression private server?
Thank you, my little asmon is sponsored
Says the one who says " dood I was so close to playing In nostarlius and I wish I did"
@@wolfdragox5563 you must not watch a lot of asmongold.
He prolly played on the downlow . Not the 1st time he has been a hypocrite
Maybe I'm crazy but it kind of seems like Blizzard employees will lose their jobs regardless of how well the games do these days.
They will eventually just have an AI spit out procedurly generated expansions. Calculate the appropriate amount of micro transactions and systems, then add 5-10 to that number based on the current stock price. Badaboom.
All the money goes to the people at the top like bobby. The rank and file employees just get whatever salaries or wages they give them just like any other corporation.
They didnt fire any dev though. Just community managers, which are being mass fired from every company. Why have them if streamers are just better at maintaining communities and the advance of algorithms which pretty much says what players will do regardless.
@@rickroll9705 And all the GMs and other support staff that were fired years ago? Your statement is wrong anyway.
Dunno why this is a surprise. Name a handful of game companies and you'll notice few last 5 years. The ones that are big swap out employees about as fast as a year or two, moving em out on a per project basis
The last 5 mins is so wrong lol. Of COURSE private servers played a role in them bringing classic out.
Ya i think you need to live under a rock as a wow player to not hear how nostalrius even met blizzard.
Yeah the whole debacle got memory holed
For someone who claims he has a great memory, he sure foegot fast about the facts
Blizz had no intent on making classic. We forced their hand on every turn to the point of breaking. The "you think you do" quote is but icing on the cake
Im actually unsubbing bc of his video (i know. it doesn't mean shit). but you dont post a REACTION video then barely react and skip thru it. almost like he couldn't handle hearing something (if Asmon doesn't agree, when DOES HE EVER SKIP, he talks shit). maybe he thought his Blizzard contacts wouldn't like something abut this subject. and btw that dude DOESNT own a piece of the server. strange video.
@@briankeys5941 you should be a detective brah
@@briankeys5941 same I feel like un following but I can't but I rlly feel let down from this vid
Big disagree on private servers not being THE reason we have Classic now. If nostalrius never happened would Classic have come out in 2019? Would TBC be coming out in 2021? Big doubt.
IIRC it simply wouldn't have happened, Blizzard needed game data and expertise from the Nostalrius guys because they no longer had the backups.
If anything Private server shows that people want the classic
Private servers were not a main reason for releasing classic?...bruh. starts an organization and is now in conflict with his actual values. Shilling for blizzard. Yikes
Big yikes agree
Thought I’d never see him change like this. It’s actually really sad seeing him be so passionate about making the game better and now he’s just passively upset about it every now and then cause they’re the reason why he makes money.
What is a feature/update/removal of a system that you guys think would save (or at least truly help) the game?
Get rid of pandas
Remove activision
Content actual content and not pumping out xpacs to meet a timeline. And refocus on the avtual core content and experience of the game is enjoyable.
Not just a few systems you cycle through endlessly to the next patch.
I honestly believe the game is getting more and more hollow with each content update. People, in the middle of excitment for new content and out of emotional attachment to the game, forget to ask themselves if they are having fun with the game or not and what the game offers you dosen't feel like ... FUN at all it feels like a chore, a necessity to get the content done. A HUGE overhaul is what the game needs honestly, a breath of fresh air with the core elements of the game. World, class design, progress those are the 3 main pillars that blizzard seriously needs to make them work together and make the game work fun, the reliance on temporary unfun systems are just a doze to keep the players around until the next raid or content update woohoo I got purple stuff that won't matter next patch ... yeah ...
Stop spending dev time on stuff like conduits and soul binds and make more actual content. Imagine having more side activities in shadowlands, or more dungeons.
Sounds like he legally has to say that he does not support them.
Yeah, he has to legally say that because he is a streamer. He would lose his account (banned) otherwise or get contacted by blizzard not to talk about it. Since streaming is also unofficially promoting something. That's the downside of being a public figure playing a company's game. That's all it is really at the end xD
Pretty sure he meant private servers of projects that already exist from blizzard, aka free alternatives.
You can't defend corporate greed with saying undervalued workers will lose their jobs if company doesn't reach quarterly targets because they keep reaching it and keep firing people regardless.
And will they keep the workers if they lose money?
Blizzard can spend millions of dollars and years of time to develop a product, while the private servers take a hundred bucks and a week of time to copy it, then sell the product for a lower price. Why spend 100 dollars on a product when the exact same product can be bought for 10 bucks? Oh and they develop their own content, and any time Blizzard makes an update for their product, the private server just copies it.
@@happydemon3038 Yes, this is called a free market dumbass. You allow the market and the people to decide the price, not the people selling the product themselves. Idiot.
I'm paying for a sub why should I pay for the expansion too????
I don't know, why do you? Gonna do what? pay subs and buy expansions from ffxiv and eso?
yea its honestly a joke to pay for expansions. This is exactly the reason I never returned to wow over all these years after vanilla/tbc. If I just had to pay the month, I would have played atleast 2 months of every single expansion. But since I had to pay the exp just to try it out, I never returned
@@rickroll9705 yeah come to 14. At least our sub money gets used making content every 3 months, unlike blizzard with several 8+ month content droughts
@@Armadan7 Shadowbringers 5.2 had content drought from feb to august 5.3. 5.4 was launche din late december.
Those arent 3 months honey.
Unless you wanna count 0.0.5 patches ... but then it means wow did beat FFXIV in that, which is sad lmao.
@@rickroll9705 obviously because of covid restrictions. Almost every single patch has been on schedule dude
Every cod can be considered expansion, his point was you don't also pay monthly sub for cod
The whole point of my comment was clarifying the creator's point. His argument is wow or any game, shouldn't require a box cost for the original, box cost for every expansion, a monthly sub fee, and an in game store. That's the difference between wow and rhe games he mentioned. With wow, you never own what you purchase, even when buying the box game, you then have to keep renting it every month. Then you pay up front again for the privilege of being able to rent the content.
he wasnt advertising a private server, he was showing how well it could have been / has been done on an alternative platform / private server. you really should have watched it.
@@bikespj22 asmongold looked so betrayed at the end, I felt that
@@bikespj22 Even if it was an add what's wrong with showing it. Asmon just used his content.
@@AtilonWoW
Who cares about TOS you bootlicker
@@osborne3 It's an ad for plagiarized content.
Blizzard spends millions to make content which the plagiarizer can copy for a hundred bucks. This allows the plagiarizer to make the price tag very low, because on his end, the development cost is trivial. This is why copyright is a thing.
@@happydemon3038 copyright isn't a thing, but communism and fascism is. Asmongold's entire life is plagiarism according to bootlickers like you
Private servers communities are awesome. Some of my best time has been on them. Compared to retail classic the difference is night and day imo and my expectation for BC classic has only lowered.
Yeah and Blizz is pushing cash shop to BC. I don't know if i even want to play it.
Asmongold has an impressive talent of taking a 10 min video and turning it into a 45 min journey, love it.
That is his job. Talking, talking/commenting and playing a game while talking. Same as twitch thots - showing b**bs, a** and sometimes play a game while showing b**bs.
@@DC-bi3pn doesnt mean you cant talk shit or hate on him for it, being part of his job has never been a reason to respect someone.
That’s how it also qualifies under “fair use.” Without all his commentary it’s copyright infringement to just sit and watch other people’s videos on stream.
@@AtilonWoW Yep, I get that, but there’s also a certain amount of commentary vs original footage that’s required for it to be considered “transformative,” and covered under fair use laws. He’s lucky that he talks enough naturally that he has no problem, lol.
is this a complement or a complaint i don't know. isn't that why we are all here?
2 years of subscription = $360 or $312 If you bought the 6-months Sub
Blizzard: still charges for expansion
WoW playerbase: "yeah this is fine"
Every other gamer: "WTF NO! That literally cost more than 6 Triple-A games and you still need to pay for a fucking expansion?? "
And it's not even worth a full game, it's like a 10lvl expansion so worth around 1/5 of the game
@@wolfdragox5563 dont forget the overworked and burnt out workers!
30$ one time payment plus the expansion.
I mean,come on,no kid or teenager would want to feel like they wasted their money because they decided to take a week's break or have no time.
Applies to adult mostly,actually.
Back when i started playing WOW I had to buy game time cards from the store every 60 days. My parents wouldn't put their credit cards online. I knew a lot of people that were like that. It was still taboo to use your card online.
back when i started playing wow i was looking for jobs at 15 coz my parents would laugh at me if i asked them to pay for such subscription.
@@DJake1992 Most of the time it was the same for me. I used to shovel snow In the winter and cut grass in the summer to pay for it.
Im a zoomer and i still Need to do that xD
Shout out to the editors for correcting the right ear audio at 6:40 - I see you!
I honestly believe that the expansion system that they have used to update the game over time worked for the first 2 or 3 expansions, from then on it becomes almost unfeasible, even though I think the biggest mistake was abandoning the content from previous expansions and as it says in the video, make it obsolete.
Maybe if they had followed a line of expansion + keep updating the "old" content, we would have had a game with perhaps fewer expansions but a story, gameplay and cohesion that would have been much better in my opinion.
Something is wrong when raid gear from vanilla were replaced from simple quests as soon as you entered outland etc.
They could have thought of other more suitable rewards.
This might be rather simplistic but why put out new content if there's no "incentive" to do it? Making a dungeon that gives worse gear than the last expansion would make that dungeon immediately obsolete.
@@vidalplays2533 Take a look at how other MMOs solves this. For example ESO and GW2. It's not rocket science.
@@wartem i would appreciate one or two examples of how they are done. Sorry but not gonna go play x hours of x games just to find that out. Thank you.
Yeah 100% agree. Putting out free base game content in tandem with expansions would probably also make the paid expansion stuff more tolerable.
I disagree about how Blizzard would have made Classic regardless of Nostalrius being a thing, they needed the community outrage from shutting it down just like Jagex needed the community outrage from shutting down 2006scape to make OSRS. Think a part of the issue is the devs calling the shots now werent the ones that made the original game, so have a bit of disdain and spite towards the fact that players want to play the older version of the game that they dont even consider 'theirs' as it invalidates all the work that they themselves did in the time that they were the ones in charge.
If people ignored private servers, we wouldn't have classic today.
That’s not necessarily true. Right now is the time of nostalgia. Old school RuneScape led that front and the push. I think it would’ve happened regardless of private servers. Private servers just sped up the timeline for when classic was taken on by blizzard. But the remakes like Spyro, crash bandicoot, Tony Hawk, age of empires, etc.
@@Warpgatez No way. Activision Blizzard doesnt do anything if they are not sure they Will make a huge profit. They even spoke against classic saying players didnt know what they wanted.
But when Nostalrius got so Big that Blizzard themselves had to shut It down, and they noticed the community backlash, they realized that Classic was a good money making machine for the future
@@Warpgatez People where nostalgic about vanilla already in tbc and wotlk. There was always threads on forums about vanilla servers and Blizz said they would never do them. That is when players said fuck it and made vanilla servers themselves.
God Asmon is on such copium with this stuff. The only reason why he says achievements and transmogs is because that is literally all that is left to do in WoW. The game is supposed to be an MMORPG, not a flash game
Haha hit the nail on the head, it legit is just some shiny flash game now
"I'm not a fan of private servers, because they do actively take money away from blizzard." Is that a bad thing? Old asmon would not have thought so :(
He went the shill route
If you think Asmon is a shill for saying this then you're either not an adult or your IQ is sub 80.
@@Mike-uk2oq and if you think private servers aren't the reason classic is even a thing, you're a sperg
I think private servers still exist because people dont want to deal with the toxicity that is classic wow and the dumb minmax meta. Also people who play on a private server are most likely not going to go play on classic wow if private servers were shut down
But if you don't care for stuff like mounts, transmogs and achievements, like me, there is really no reason to do old content :D I just don't understand people that play for collecting things, that are completely redundant. I want more interaction with players and a living world that is populated.
I find it fun to collect things and I don't need any other reason than that lol. It's chill.
@@trollolkid Same, it's actually the main reason I play the game. I dont enjoy raiding or PvP so I play WoW like a big collectathon.
Honestly, I'm actually enjoying RP Servers so much more than anything else at this point because the player create their own content. It can be kinda hard to get into it since most people already have their established groups and guilds but once you made some friends its truly amazing.
Just stay away from Goldshire tho.
I love my Proto drake from wrath I got from grinding a profession in wrath. That's not even getting into the useful mounts. One like the gathering mount and Water Strider (water walking has been replaced by a mount accessory now) from Pandaria.
Realistically I don't think there's that many great solutions for pure power based players like yourself in WoW specifically which is a huge letdown. FFXIV helps encourage some of this by providing certain progression tokens if you queue for older dungeon content daily, but it's way harder to find people to do old raid content unless it's for certain cosmetic or collection reasons. Ultimately, I think the most successful systems for purely chasing power long-term involve some sort of RNG drop/crafting system. If you look at ARPGs, most characters can continue to increase their power level past what's needed to easily clear everything, and it's because they have a lot more relevant stat pools to draw randomized items from, so chasing the "Perfect" items is a goal to chase. I could see a similar system rolled into WoW, where running certain older content could grant you items to let you reroll or weight the stat rolls of items at the end of the most recent raids/dungeons. You could easily even make a weekly list of old dungeons/raids that give you this new currency to keep it fresh week to week. Unfortunately, items in modern WoW are set to always have your perfect stat combo so they've limited themselves to only increasing values instead of making interesting gearing decisions. Honestly, the big downfall of modern WoW is in it's linear itemization.
Every time I try to play retail WoW I get bored quickly and switch to private servers. They are much more fun and competitive, with regular bug fixes, pvp events, and non-timegated progression. Let us press F to pay respects to Asmon who has to continue playing retail to make a living using twitch or youtube. Hopefully he knows that he can switch to any other (less crappy) game and people will follow his stream regardless of what he's playing.
haha he's locked into this shill lifestyle which is basically killing him because they keep releasing trash games and he does nothing but drink Dr. Pepper for food
what a cooked take from asmon about paying for expacs, we pay for content every month - we should get new content as apart of that
Ok. Then unsub go to blizzard concurrence. Which do the same exact thing lmao.
5:45 i would be okay to pay for expansions if the game isn't subscibtion based
Exactly. You already pay full AAA game price for an expansion. Why in the world would you pay a subscription after that?!
Except the private server at the end actually gives a shit and expands on it instead of constantly releasing the same content like other private servers. Shit on p.servers all you want but they are a huge part of why WoW is relevant.
Yeah, he's saying the people who get payed with in-game currency need their jobs.
What they need is a reality check, and the playerbase boycott the game until it dies, or changes for the better.
I’m not boycotting. I just got bored and quit. I guess I’m boredcotting
@@ilunc As long as you're not giving activision money, I'm happy.
@@idiom2805 sometimes i may disagree with blizzard, but im playing because i enjoy the game, regardless of retail or classic, not because im a slave and worship bobby soyboi or whatever the fuck. I just enjoy doing mythic raids , high rated pvp , m+ mount farming and what not, just too bad the game is fro mthis company. Is there a special category for those who are like me ? Basically im not going to quit because blizzard did something controversial you know what i mean ?
@@razien9941 You are just a regular consumer, relax. I mean people here are using either windows or ios and needless to say both companies made way worse things than any videogame company could dream of.
One thing I miss is farming old instances. I like getting the old mats and selling them on the AH. Now its not needed because each xpac has its own professions making all the old mats pretty much obsolete.
Bigly True. And it was actually difficult to figure out how to solo it, it was quite a fun grind.
Nowadays the power gains are so large, you can do epic raid mobs health of previous expansion x20 in 1 hit. It's a joke.
Professions in general feel like ass. In tbc/wotlk you could get a decent set of starting gear to go into dungeons/heroics/early raid content. Then the drops from later content let you make shit that was often BiS or equivalent to current raid tier.
True, I didn't play in Vanilla but started in mop, as Xbox 360 CoD player MMORPG's were extremely new to me, I remember getting excited when I sold my fel iron ore on the AH for 100g it felt awesome as a new player and than WoD came out and made profession leveling useless and all reagent farming completely pointless, I tried to sell fel iron again and made 2 thirds less of 100g, I wish old content was always relevant, tmog doesn't count.
@@alondor8157 yep. I legit running the stuff. Legacy mode just ruined everything.
@@joshholmes1372 I agree. Professions used to give bis gear back in the day but now it's lost a lot of weight. Just leggos n that's about it. No perks either
Farming old dugeons for transmog is not fucking content LULW
I really hope Mike Morhaime's new studio creates something incredible that gets the old school wow players onboard and becomes the next big mmo and that he never sells it to a greedy corporation.
Assume whatever dreamhaven puts out will be liquid dogshit, so that when/if they do release good games, you'll be pleased, and if they end up shit.. hey, you expected it.
@@fatcatsnuggleparty4272 So its like Blizzard.
Asmongold getting defensive of Blizz because he's that invested in WoW he farms anima and does whatever the game design tells him to do. It's weird seeing him abandon common sense at times to defend his game. Emotion clouds his judgement and he goes from being well-reasoned and calm to refuse, refuse, refuse without any critical thought applied, just one knee-jerk, emotional reaction after another.
@@AtilonWoW comfort obsessed
As much as I love watching his content, seeing him complain about private servers and defend Blizzard was cringe AF
But why? It's a fair point that private servers do take money away from the company who has all the intellectual rights
@@theblackphoenix2135 well that's the thing at least private server owners listen to their players. personally I stopped playing at cata and I won't pick the game back up retail wise it's trash it's not what I bought. at least with private servers I know for sure that I can play my favorite expansion. I know in 2 weeks a Nerf isn't going to happen that completely crushes the last three months of progress on a character.
@@theblackphoenix2135
Lol no one who works at Blizz had anything to do with WoW pre cata
If someone is running a server better than Blizzard and they are improving the game then let the people choose where to play.
@@theblackphoenix2135 the people playing on private servers(not all of them are money shills btw) are either not paying blizz for wow because its not the game they like anymore so not loss in profit or they have a sub and pay both, they lose no money.
Just to be clear, I'm not talking about whether what private servers do is better gamewise or philosophically, but purely from a legal and economical perspective
I just tried both classic and retail for the first time the other day. Holy shit they're two entirely different games
Battle Pass. Get 100% content and can play at any time without sub. WoW retail Sub and expansion. Get an update every 2 years and do some leveling zone you ignore for the rest of the expansion.
asmongold thinking they would still release classic wow even if they didn't see all the sucess of classic wow private servers is the worse take and then he realizes he's wrong and is like "oh well this is a waste of time i dont wanna talk about this anymore" he really is turning into a politician.
big true, he cant support P servers because how else would he get into the tbc beta :/
@@Z1mm3rs Lol asmon is the biggest WoW content creator. Unless he literally gets cancelled by twitter mobs he'll always get invites regardless. He doesn't need to suck up.
Outlands should've happened in 2nd expansion, should've done more with eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor.
that doesnt make the problem better, it just moves it to a later date
@@goliver9991 The problem is how the content is implemented, not the content itself. The original Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms had a lot of unfinished content and potential to explore. Asmon says "And everyone hated it!" in regards to Cataclysm... people hated Cataclysm because it completely removed the old content making it totally inaccessible and replaced it with the new brand of zany/humorous tone that quests often take these days. They loaded the entirety of Azeroth with dated memes and pop culture references, roll through Westfall now and it's hard not to roll your eyes every few minutes. Asmon doesn't pay attention to quests, has said before he does not enjoy it and doesn't read shit, so of course his opinion on it is pretty shallow.
The reason why they went with the Outlands first is because they had technical issues with adding more land to the existing world, which is why zones like Eversong Woods and Azuremyst Isle take place in an instance seperate from the rest of Azeroth
@@TeddyBearAssassin Yeah i was so hyped about Cata back in the day. I was huge Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms fan and i really didn't like how they moved everyone away from there for 4 years (i still did like TBC, Wotlk not that much). But then when i started to play Cata i saw what Blizz had done to old zones and i quit WoW after 2 weeks. I came back to retail few times but never longer that few months.
I’ll be honest. I came back after a few years to get some Dino mounts in Zandalar, but farming transmogs was so damn fun, soloing old content that I never got to try before, it was content to me.
Man how is collecting mounts and achievements content, I get wanting to make a transmog with a matching mount because its cool.
(although that takes away from the aesthetic of the game, a serious raider should be easily recognizable, looks mean nothing in wow now)
If there was not private server there would be much less current players in WoW - many players (including me) started on Private server and there we got the love for WoW.
the main issue, that's new wow is not RPG anymore...
Dafuq does that even mean, it definitely classifies as a role-playing game, what drugs you on?
@@stefanmilovanov3398 if u dont understand, so this comment is not for you.
in cata I replaced my ICC gear with random q rewards :/
cata was the exp u say to urself, ok got to find another game this is the end.
What i liked about Everquest, was that expansions brought little to no gear while leveling, if you spent time raiding previous expansion. What ends up happening, you gear new people thru old raids so they can manage new raids. In WoW solo quest items and leveling rewards should never be over high end pvp or pve from last expansion.
not the first time i fully disagreed with Asmon, also not the first time The Bald One has changed his tune
w/e.
Imma head out boys. Was fun whilst it lasted.
Same
Wish i never six month subbed played first 2 months havent touched it since.
@@TriscoG Yea. Don't recommend those types of subs. Ever. I subbed for one month recently and only to play classic for a bit.
@@TriscoG 6 month sub is a fucking scam
Oh no. He HaS A DiFfErEnT OpInIoN. REEEEEEEEEE
You know Asmon, I much, much prefer watching you do things like this video that aren't physically playing WoW. Reactions, news, real life stuff, everything is better than actually playing the game. WoW's dead but your channel and brand won't die with it.
True, literally no one plays wow anymore. Idk how they haven't shut the servers down yet.
@@KC-py5vq Look around fool! Asmongold is the ONLY person who plays this game, don't even try to fool yourself. This game has been dead since Cata, when all the players realized that Activision is gonna take over, and fuck their wives, and hold them hostage, so they just quit.
LMFAO for Asmon to say that farming boring ass old raids SOLO with 0 actual skill repeatedly as content is a joke... come on dude! Also him shitting on private servers for no reason is absolutely dumb.
There are a lot of things that get taken away from each expansion that combined with the fact that you have to pay $60 does feel really bad. Yes they are adding content, but also taking a lot away. That being said they could easily reduce the cost of the expansion to something like $30. The fear with making expansions free is that someone pays $15 does everything in 2 weeks then quits.
Remove Sub, get 70€ for a Expansion, no game needs subs, imagine every game needed a sub???
Fortnite F2P, 2 Weeks 1 patch.
R6 10 Bucks, every 3 Months Big Patch
I expect atleast 3 things from a new exp. New Spells, New Talents, New Race or Class. SAD THEY DON'T DO THAT.
Too hard to balance. Blizzard cant even balance the already existing classes, adding new classes would make it even worse. Same for spells.
It does not need to be that balanced. Just introduce something new and then you balance it later. Remember how broken DKs were in WotLK? I do.
Asmon, don't sit on that fence too long, bro, you'll get problems with circulation..
Ikr
I never saw a problem in paying for retail while playing a good private server and not feel bad about it.
Look at old school Runescape you don't have to pay for expansions and they bring more shit out constantly than wow does and they listen to the community
Well technically we don't have to pay for tbc. And osrs still has a sub fee.
100% disagree on asmon caring that blizzard loses money. Why should you care about a multibillion-dollar company losing a small fraction of their money, when they can give no shits about you. The whole "what if blizzard makes even less money and they need to fire employees because of these private servers" reason is dumb. Fix your game so that it does not get to that point. Why do people leave? cuz they don't like it anymore. The fact that he cares that bobby is making 1million less because of these servers, just based on a future that will prob never happen.
Hell, they still firing people now. On March of this year, they let go of over a dozen people. Even though they were doing even better now thanks to the pandemic. I doubt a Private server had anything to do with that. Most likely they deemed those workers unnecessary and not paying them would line their pockets with more cash, simple.
Remember its just science, by forcing people to pay that sub fee you enact an importance/investment of TIME. When you buy a game like Diablo 2 lets say, you just get to play it and have fun when you want to. By subbing you now feel like I should play this as I paid for 30 days of play, like showing up at an arcade and buying 14 days of fun -- you'll want to go back as many times as you can within those 14 days to play.
Thats why I love private servers so much. No sub fee so no obligation to play, you can just log in anytime you want
If Classic WoW was actually Classic WoW then I wouldn't be playing on a private server. It's super simple. Don't offer me super screwed up version and say hey look it's the vanilla WoW you wanted.
Damn dude the last 10 minutes you spoke you just went off the deep end
totally. Everyone knows classic wow was brought back from the grave solely by private server efforts.
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This "reactor" skipped a huge chunk of the video because of getting offended on behalf of billion $ company. A bloody shill.
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"Blizzard chose to leave alone"? You are the one lying here, pal. Actiblizz destroyed Nostalrius, but cannot catch others because they are based overseas.
And who cares whether it's legal or not. Actiblizz deserves this and more.
Why do you care? Asmy boy at least gets paid to shill. Are you the idiot who does it for free?
You are paying a monthly fee for them to update and maintain the game. The extra cost for the expansion I always found beyond greedy. Other mmos give free expansions if they have a sub fee. Hence why most peoples think wow is way too expensive to play and also the reason why I myself are playing classic/tbc servers because you are paying for a downgrade by buying expansions honestly.
I feel like ff14 handles expansion gear better, where instead of either out of the gate or just one level in, the best gear you can get will actually last you till about the 7/10 level range for the new expansion, and even then, its only marginally better, and in some slots, still just under what you got.
So basically, most of the expansion doesn’t invalidate your gear until your nearing the end if you got the best stuff from the end of the previous expansion. Feels good knowing you can still get a lot of mileage out of your old gear for a new expansion.
ESO does it even better: u level up to level 50 (max level), then level to champion level 160 (an accountwide level that gives u bonusses for all ur characters) and all the gear is capped at champion level 160. Meaning u can farm whatever set u want for your build and keep using it for as long as u like. Meaning u only farm once for the sets and makes u able to have multiple builds per character for different kinds of content and making u able to focus on actual content, rather than grinding for gear ^^
This is exactly the same as how WoW handles gear.
If you're geared from the last raid of the previous expansion, most gear won't get replaced until the last few levels of the new level cap, and some items (like trinkets) probably won't be replaced at all until you start doing some dungeons from the new expansion.
@@luksp96 is that post Wod? Cause I remember from bc to wrath, wrath to cata, mop to wod[ took a break pre mop launch, and quit after wod] that some of my gear would be replaced within a level or two, I know if you had the heroic stuff it lasted a bit longer, but barely a level or two is not a lot of mileage in a expansion that's 10 levels[ the ones with 5 last a good bit more].
I wasn't a endgame heroic raider but I did do some of the last raids normal and even that stuff went out the window from the first dungeons gear or blue quest drops.
@@Loyd64 Idk. what game you played but this has been happening since like Wrath, even kinda in TBC if you had Naxx gear or something like Thunderfury for example.
It's been fairly known that Tier 7, the first Tier of Wrath, was cleared with people in mostly Sunwell gear (part of because the Tier was so easy) and some world firsts in TBC the tanks had Thunderfury equipped because it generated more threat I believe.
Sure, you would replace some gear in the first 2-3 levels, but most gear you wouldn't, even if a piece like a chest is better, you sometimes wouldn't replace it because you had that tier set bonus still from the raid so you would wait until you get more pieces before replacing them.
Look at SL, if you've been playing BfA and were geared. You wouldn't replace your neck and your azerite pieces well into being level 60 because they just gave so much stats that the pieces from SL were just so much worse until you got one from like a mythic dungeon.
Point is, if you're geared from the previous expansion's last raid, you would always wait until you're almost finished with leveling before replacing most gear, and as I mentioned, in the case of specific items like trinkets, you probably wouldn't replace them at all before hitting the new level cap.
I love how Turtle WoW added High Elf as Alliance race, that is something people has been asking a lot in retail taking into consideration the amount of them living in Stormwind and other main cities.
I liked that they made heroic versions of classic dungeons. They should have kept doing things like that
Of course the guy who makes a living off retail WoW and incentivizing people to subscribe to the live service of a multi-billion dollar company is going to take a position against private servers and diminish their importance in fueling the drive to have old world servers available. The petition was almost entirely born out of private servers and the problems facing their running, as Blizzard was actively and ramping up their efforts to shut servers down, thus the major outrage once Nostalrius was closed. Active retail players, like Asmongold, were not only disengaged from that wing of the community but has openly stated he in no way participated in those communities and was even reluctant to do so. Naturally then he can use that distance to claim that somehow Blizzard's actions in response to all that leading to the creation of classic was a so-called natural progression, but this is blatantly ignoring the "You think you do, but you don't" policy Blizzard proudly proclaimed only a few years prior and showed no signs of budging until the petition emerged and the Nostalrius team pushed the idea directly to them.
Blizzard is in no way responsible for Classic, the community is. Asmongold is little more than a shill for a company of the game that make him the fortune he gained by sitting around semi-AFK with the game in the background as a permanent advertisement to it. He can say what he wants about the state of the game and Blizzard's decisions, so long as he keeps coming back to pushing the paid service, nothing else matters. He will never truly quit the game or oppose the company, because it would be driving a wedge between he and his primary financial engine. This is why he will never support private servers, it could severely damage his relationship with Blizzard, the community's opinion of him doesn't matter because it's Blizzard with the power to shut down and censor content creators, not the community. So long as he doesn't violate acceptable codes of conduct via streaming, he'll happily trash anything that doesn't inherently make him money. Private servers? Fuck em', gotta go pay for those 58 boosts ;)
You big mad or little mad? I'm guessing big.
yeah people forgot about this pretty quick
Classic happened because of a Private Server, blizzard gets 0 credit for that.
Asmongold saying that Blizz needs the money from classic so they don't fire people is plain ridiculous... classic is the sole reason they can keep firing people and cause more content droughts on retail without losing money, because classic players will keep paying sub for a game that doesn't progress, and doesn't need people to work on it.
@@thatboipatty criticism = malding and bad
The argument that private servers are harmful for people working at Blizzard has to be the silliest thing I've heard all year. Yeah, instead of Blizzard making 100 million dollars a month, they make 99.9% of 100 million. Surely costing someone's job!
Many companies that are older than Blizzard have the same problem, usually the community comes down and make their own "versions" or "hacks" of the games. I think the same will happen with WoW in many years from now if its not already happening.
They should either remove the sub fee and microtransactions or expansion cost and microtransactions
I can't believe how wrong Asmon's take is on this topic
Which part? Newer raids being better? I'd agree. But not in the form they are now. Power gains Double with every raid tier, it's gotten pretty nuts.
WoW needs to go back to minimal gains. Similar to classic. Which I'm assuming is what Asmon was trying to express. But I think people have taken that the wrong way.
Ludicrous position on private servers. It doesn't matter if it took away from blizzard, they lost those players themselves, and got some back when they released classic. I left wow after wotlk and played TBC for 10 years now I'm paying for retail classic because they earned it, and they are finally doing TBC for real again! If they don't find a solution for the economy and bots though they'll lose people again.
Exactly! I gave blizz a good chance with classic, but I dont agree with the changes they will do to tbc, so I stopped playing it for now, and chose a private server instead. Would I continue playing in blizz tbc if private servers wouldn't exist? Of course not, private servers do not offer a "better choice" to me, they give a very specific alternative, that can not be provided by Blizzard. And I didn't even get into the monetary aspect: If someone can't afford to play Blizzard's game in the first place, then how would he rob them of money by playing on a private server instead? I understand that actively supporting private servers can be harmful, but they have clearly shown that they could just slap down the more dangerous ones if they need to.
Thanks for the edits like fixing the audio on the collectors edition video!
No, without private servers there wouldn't have been a Classic Vanilla. Now they are adding boosts, a random mount, and giving Alliance Seal of Blood in this fake version of TBC. On top of all this there is no Fresh Servers for TBC they said at launch. The game is garbage.
Lol imagine thinking the game doing well would safe-guard peoples' jobs at Blizzard.
Asmon is just so hard on the copium he can't see how far gone wow truly is
Why would say the game is terrible? he made what? 2 millions froms it? lmao.
do you even watch the streams? he complains about the game every day
I'll be honest, at this point in time, when I look at it - Timewalking, picking which expansion you wanna level in, transmogs, mounts, pets, achievements, There are a lot of things to go back to... I think the problem arises with veteran players, because the fact of the matter is that those people pretty much got all the things from the expansion while it was live, so for them there really is no reason to go back unless for nostalgia. I think if Blizzard added new rewards that you could get from previous expansion content, that would maybe get more people back in the old zones.
Hell why not add like a weekly reset crate for each expansion - so scale the dungeons/raids more or less to your level so it's not one shot, and then make it so you have to do like 3 dungeons, 2 raids or something like that, and boom you get a crate which has a handful of useful items, like say gold, materials for your selected professions, a rep bonus for current factions for an hour or something, stuff like that. And each expansion has a crate that you can get every week. This would not only give players who already are grinding for mounts/transmog etc. but also maybe give a reason for even veteran people to revisit old content.
I don't think wow players are thinking right when they think "ok, this is BiS for 2 expansions, so I have a reason to play this raid later, cool game design"
BiS is a player created way to min max, not the way devs thought you were going to play
FFxiv does it best to incorporate old world content, doing old world shit scales you down to fight with new players.
I agree on the sub fee being dumb, its such an old concept in the modern games market and it doesn't help that theres more fees on top of it. If I didn't have game time from WoW tokens I wouldn't pay for sub, its not even close to worth it especially when were in a massive content drought in a fresh expansion.
You might change your stance toward private servers once we get unlimited boosts later in TBC, and then they continue unlimited boosts to WoTLC launch, and add in classic tokens. Private servers are very soon going to be the only way to experience WoW how it was meant to be played.
They should expand time walking leveling to be repeatable at max level with challenge modes. Add significant gold and valor rewards. They could use the older professions as suggested by this guy through time walking.
Some seconds after the 8:00 mark he mentioned Call of Duty and Asmon mentioned battlepasses.
I'd like to chime in as a voice of reason here that you can still play that game without buying the battlepass. WoW's subscription costs are recurring amounts that you must pay, or you can't play.
Or you can make gold in game very easily and buy a token. The cost is about the same amount of time you'd spend doing a world quest.
@@helvete983 LOL
@@kasdjkfghalksjdhg Assuming you aren't a complete mong of course. It's just one of those things, spend a little time researching and you'll never need to pay a sub again with cash. Also if you want multiplayer content Wow is not pay to win, COD is with blueprints providing an advantage over anything available in the base game. I can play WoW without ever spending a penny and be on a level playing field with everyone else.
@@helvete983 That's good for you, unfortunately your flexing here has nothing to do with the point.
Its crazy watching like 1/4 of the comments just mocking the guys accent/minor speech impediment
Yeah but they mock everything always, so it evens out in the end.
that's just how his chat always is unfortunately
Mythic castle should be on par with the first half of 9.1 heroic raid, and on par with normal version on 9.2 raid.
So there's some cross over for non-hardcore raiders, and hearing alts, while the top tier doesn't care or get affected
Pretty sure mechagon is as lively as ever with how many people wait for arachnid harvester or rustfeather.
You know what I really miss... Back in wotlk I got a mage and for those who remember you had a talent tree back then and I love specing in to fire frost mage and be 50/50 in talents and it worked my frostfirebolts dealt amazing damage
Now you just restricted to the classes and talents they give and no more own design able to make.
oh wow I completely forgot about this. Also played a mage back in the day
@@13Fenix ye man rest In peace frostfire bolt was my favo spell
IT'S A RINSE AND REPEAT SYSTEM, GRIND OUT ALL THE GEAR AND BONUSES AND THEN START FROM SCRATCH EVERY TIME MAKING ALL THAT WORK POINTLESS BECAUSE IT'S ALL NOW WORTHLESS.
LET'S DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I think it sums up every other mmorpg
Nice old school pt shirt. I used to own a few of those back in the 90s.
Private servers don't actively take away money from Blizzard in any meaningful way at this point. I play on private servers. I don't play retail. I have no desire to play retail. And I also have little desire to play Classic TBC.
Did this guy really take GTA as an example of "just pay for the game" they literally made their multiplayer into a micro transaction or modder simulator.
@@UnimportantAcc If you wanna actually play the new content, yes probably, it's always a choice of either modding money or just buying shark cards, no one grinds new update content in GTA Online anymore, people who do, are actually stupid, I used to grind shit out and it would take weeks to months if you didn't own any businesses to grind out 1 new thing. and while you grind you have to make sure you manipulate the system to get into a solo online lobby to not be griefed by whales and modders.
I see what you are trying to pull here with your argument but in a game that literally became the Microtransactions, that stuff does not apply anymore. You probably also think BDO MXT are okay, dont ya?
@@OLBarbok Have you even heard about Cayo Perico? ez 1.5mil or more in like 1 hour and 30 min or less
@@nureinbratwurst2109 Just because there is a way to get something quick every few updates that probably will be patched quickly after, doesn't change the fact that the game is literally a microtransaction simulator.
There're reasons to private servers to exist. First of all, much people can't aford paying all blizzard puts infront of them. Also, people like me, who likes to play Wrath or Cata what has to do? Wait 4 5 years untill Blizz makes Wotlk classic? That in case they do because seeing what's their comercial strategy with the game nowadays, proplably it won't ever happen
Cba about achievements, I will miss the freedom of classic game that you are free to do what ever you want. After some time the game went far away from what it was. Community disappears
Expansions are made irrelevant by the next one. It is a bigger problem that old raid tiers are made completely irrelevant within the same expansion. I know it lowers the barrier of entry into new raid content which can be good for bringing in new players but it also makes the amount of meaningful content that the player can engage with much more shallow.
Class homogenization, skill tree neutering/removal, no real new powers, rabid recoloring of items, group finder all played a part. Minimal effort expansions were bad too sure. Ion H is so disconnected from the players, or he just wanted to kill WoW, regardless he has been killing off this game since he started to rise in rank. Blizzard thinks they're still AAA Rockstars, but they're not, indie studios make more compelling products visually and content wise.
Private servers are great...some are better than retail , which isnt a hard thing to do, but still.
I wouldn't really pay Blizzard any money for wow if private servers didn't exist. I'd just not play private server wow anymore and thats about it tbh. I am not a big fan of the current borrowed power system they implemented again and again. I get that some, if not most, of the current playerbase really loves it but I don't enjoy the endless grind, not my kind of thing (and it doesn't feel very alt-friendly).
Private servers aren't why retail is shit. I'd wager most people who just play private servers wouldn't actually play retail.
I only sub twice per year. Maybe add an extra month, but in that month I can catch up. I'm not subbing to just wait for a week to do 1 day content
Best part of Elder Scrolls Online is expansions don't invalidate previous expansions. The Horizontal progression system in the game makes the game have thousands of hours of actual character progression, it is insane. And awesome. They actually make expansions that expand on the game.
After Mists of Pandaria WoW expansions haven't even been expansions, they've just a shitty re-release of a barely half baked game that they never finish baking that sells on nostalgia, trailer marketing power and peoples Stockholm syndrome hoping it'll get better.
Yes! I wish WoW never had a gear/tier progression like it had all these years, I would rather see transmog available from day one of the game and making all the raids reward only cosmetic armor/weapon appearences. Add that to a nice housing system to complement the cosmetic creative tools for a player, and leave PvP/PvE a skill based challange instead of a grind challange.
Finally found this comment! ESO is just the perfect balance of new and old content, some people still use basegame gear and do amazingly well and the cost is like 20$ or something like that, should be a few 100 hours worth of content for 20$. The cheap expansions add to the game instead of replacing them.
Only thing i would like to see in eso is crossplatform between xbox and playstation. I play on pc, xbox and ps5 now and jumping between accounts isnt what i would preffer. (I understand the reason behind it but i dont like it)
The new blizzard company name is Dreamhaven.
About the raid tiers, I feel like there should be way more overlap in the power of the gear than not. This would make it to where all/most raids are worth doing throughout an expansion, in theory.