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"Too skinny and her chin is too pointy..." Seeing as how the actress is really hot and it's the Weinsteins, I'm going to go ahead and guess what actually happened to 'piss them off.'
According to the story, they also hated Donald because they considered him 'too old and boring' which is why they kept trying to cut his role smaller. So yes, GARBAGE PEOPLE.
@@mrdreamy1747 I think they just have a general disrespect toward all people, and because they view actors as replaceable, they try to plug 'ordinary' people into acting jobs in order to gain leverage over them.
@@cookiesontoast9981 It's just not my thing. At least not when I was easily scared back in the day. It didn't seem fun to me to deliberately scare myself. Now that I've grown up, I get the appeal, although more in terms of the techniques they use for gore, the psychology of the murderers etc.
Just wanna put it out there, the knife being removed while she’s on the operating table is how it’s treated in real life. If an object(this case the knife) has punctured say an artery or vein, the only thing keeping the Vic from bleeding to death is the knife, so generally it is removed while on the operating table so the surgeons can stop any life threatening bleeding and close up the wound. I apologize and Excuse me for any grammatical errors.
Yup they have to cut it out happened to my by he was involved in a horrible stabbing being stabbed as he was walking out the door of a bar into a group fighting each other so he got attacked and was stabbed bad t h e knife was stuck all the way into his side only the handle out , entire blade in him. Fuckers almost killed him. Inches away from knicking his lung. Had to have surgery and they had to cut the knife out. My bf was in such shock when it happened he tried to pull it out and thankfully he couldn't it wouldn't even move one bit. It was so bad. And just nasty having to clean that cut it was massive since they had to cut the knife out.
Exactly, I'm still SO pissed when in "Starship Troopers" they remove that piece of Arachnid that bit into Dizzy, DON'T REMOVE IT YOU IDIOTS, that's the only thing that's at least keeping the hemorrhage as closed as possible!!! She could have survived it damn it
That producer's version seems LEAGUES better than the theatrical. While it still isn't the best, it at least makes a lot of sense, and is way better than the other, more dumbed down and silly version. The only thing it lacked was memorable kills, which I guess the theatrical version sort of had, mostly just with the electrical head explosion kill.
There are aspects of the Producers cut that are better, like the music and the pacing. The only better thing about the theatrical cut was that it did give the impression that Michael was pure evil that was only contained, and not controlled, by the cult, and eventually, he ends them after too much interference on their part.
The Halloween franchise was never really about memorable kills or gore though. Halloween 1 and 2 are both pretty tame, but made up for it in better suspense and rooting for the characters. Same with 4 and 5 with Jamie Lloyd, though those weren't as good, i did enjoy 4 a lot.
@@Noobie2k7 Thank you. Halloween was always better when it concentrated on suspense and build up to something and left more to your imagination. Hell, the music alone is sometimes creepier than what is actually happening onscreen. It's why I prefer the Producers Cut as well as the original Halloween as well. Less is more.
Awesome new series James! I've never seen the Producer's Cut before so it was interesting seeing what they changed. Wish they kept more of Loomis in the theatrical cut, that man is a legend and always added so much gravitas to a series even when the story lacked.
I think the producer's cut ending is a cool closure to that era of Halloween films before they went onto H20. Loomis being cursed with Thorn and forced as their new leader has a "we're destined to do this forever" vibe followed by the jack o lantern candle being blown out. it's a haunting and cool ending.
Make it yourself or have someone make it for you. I've done that before with several lines I've heard from sci fi and horror flicks. Plenty of T-shirt companies out there will make custom shirts for you.
I don’t understand why they cut Donald’s narrating in the beginning. Tommy is a main character in this film, but Dr. Loomis was a huge part of the franchise up until his death. I’m sorry, but it’s kind of hard for me to feel like the latter movies are as good without Loomis. I know they wouldn’t nor shouldn’t recast to keep him alive, but I loved Dr. Loomis and his dramatic scenes. He was awesome! Rip Donald 💔💯
I'm remembering this from watching Phelous's review of this movie, and he said that apparently, the director (or, well.. the company) chose to show more Tommy and less Dr Loomis because...... they found him boring. Wtf???
Annausagi2- Boring? Lmao-they’re crazy....I always found Dr. Loomis very entertaining and the obsession he had with stopping Michael from killing was the best! Donald was an amazing actor! 💯💯
Absolutely! I've never been a 'Halloween' fan, but I've always enjoyed the scenes with Donald Pleasence in them, whenever they aired the movies on tv. "Boring", my ass.
15:32 I'm guessing it makes a touch more sense in the movie itself, but I'm really confused as to why Michael finding out that the baby is his would make a difference; Laurie and Jaime being related to him didn't stop him from trying to kill them (or worse in Jaime's case) and he's supposed to be evil incarnate. Plus, why wouldn't he know it was his kid at that point if the cult had that whole gross ritual?
Well the implication with the 4-6 Michael is that he's not evil, he's being manipulated by evil forces that he can't understand and is desperately trying to free himself from them (and he was lead to believe killing his family would do that)
@@demonteprice5870 But his son is also his family, so why wouldn't the same "Kill your whole family, Michael, it'll totally work I swear" promise apply then? The movie was just written by hacks, that's the problem.
Jamie being raped by her uncle is too disturbing, especially since we and Micheal first saw her as a little kid, it's too dark and real for me and I guess for most people too
How did I miss "Arthurian fist clench" the first time through this? I love the cut comparisons and am looking forward to more of them when you get the chance
I was hoping for you to cover some aspects of the troubled production of Curse and also comment on the differences between the two versions and voila - here comes the Cut Comparison. It's like you've been reading my mind. I'm looking forward to more of this. The Alien series is a good place to start, part 3 is gonna be a shit ton of work, though
Yeah I'm actually kinda hoping James does go back and do the Alien movies at some point for this series, especially since all four of the original movies have director's cuts (with Aliens and 3 being the most popular ones for obvious reasons). Same with any other film he's covered previously that has an unrated/extended version.
Ya as much as the theatrical version makes no sense to have him as a father and rapist is completely stupid. Loomis getting the thorn tattoo at the end was dumb too. Without those to elements producers was better. To be honest though, they both sucked compared to other sequals in the franchise.
I absolutely loved this! I'm so happy you're finally launching this new series. I've been keeping my eyes out for such a video since you mentioned wanting to compare the different versions of Alien 3. I love the humor and wit of your "Kill Counts" but I really like that you took a more "real talk" approach to this series. For lack of better phrasing, it feels a bit more "intimate" than the usual Kill Count. I don't mean this negatively but there's a clear performance aspect to the Kill Counts, but that's stripped away here and it's just you talking to us, much like with Chelsea and your podcasts. Excited for the next installment!
Tommy did not find the runes he brought them himself. he had them in the scene when he explained the curse to Kara another difference in the films you forgot too mention.
I really love how you keep thinking about new things to do on your channel and I think this in particular is a great idea. Keep up the good work James :D
I’ve recently found this channel, and I love it. You’re such a laid back and chill dude. I used to be terrified of horror movies but now I love them thanks to you. I’m glad that there’s someone out there like you James.
Theatrical: -Better color correction -Better kills -Faster paced -Better Loomis send off Producers: -Better use of music (Halloween theme used better) -Includes key information -More Loomis -More Wynn
DoYouWannaGetThe SUCC I never said that I prefer one cut over the other, I merely stated some pros of each. This was to inform others and let them make their own decision, not to force my opinion on to anyone.
DoYouWannaGetThe SUCC You can’t say you wanted to let people make their own decisions when instead of stating facts you said ‘The producers cut is WAY better’ that’s not letting others make an opinion, that’s just you forcing your opinion on others. I do agree that the producers cut is better, but you shouldn’t hate on someone because they think the theatrical is better.
Would love to see a version with the producer's cut story line, but with the gorier, and more graphic kill scenes of the theatrical version inserted. Aka the BEST of both versions.
Thank you for doing this! As someone who adores the franchise and was in the midde of a marathon, this film confused the hell out of me 😅 I had also seen the Producer's cut years ago so I thought I had a Mandala effect happening when I realized how bizzarely different the theatrical cut I saw recently was
I didn't expect it that soon for some reason, but I'm SO not complaing. A great idea and of course an equally great execution. Feel free to make more, you got my vote! (Too bad that the late 90s Mel Gibson joint PAYBACK isn't a horror movie, because I can't think of any other movie that has such drastically different cuts.)
Here are my pros and cons for both versions of Halloween 6. P-Cut pros: 1. Opening narration with Loomis 2. More scenes with Loomis. 3. Since Jamie survives Michael’s attack, that gives Loomis a reason to be at the hospital. 4. I like the music that was composed for the cult scenes as well as some of the classic Carpenter music. 5. More scenes with other characters that help develop them more. P-Cut cons: 1. Michael impregnating Jamie. 2. Wynn telling Loomis that he gave Michael the “gift of Thorn,” which makes Michael less mysterious since Wynn made him murder his sister and has been controlling him ever since. 3. Michael being stopped by magic rocks. I don’t want there to be extremely obvious supernatural things in the Halloween films. Hint at it, but don’t confirm it. 4. The entire last act has almost no intensity and feels more like a soap opera than a Halloween movie. 5. When John Strode gets electrocuted you can see the stuntman’s face and he looks nothing like the actor. 6. The film relies too heavily on the classic Carpenter music. It’s used way too much and doesn’t know when to fade out. 7. Michael is basically a sidekick. He should be the main villain. 8. Thorn tattoo appearing on Loomis’s wrist. This Thorn stuff was getting ridiculous. It’s fine to talk about it a bit but it’s focused on way too much and takes away from the suspense and mysterious nature of Michael Myers. 9. The nighttime shot of Smith’s Grove is actually a recycled shot from Halloween 4, except in Halloween 4 it was a different building. Seems like a lazy and unprofessional thing to do. T-Cut pros: 1. Michael is brutal. The last act of the film shows how relentless and uncontrollable he is. 2. The Curse of Thorn seems more like a theory to explain why Michael is evil instead of being an indisputable fact as in the producer’s cut. 3. I really like the song “And Fools Shine On” as well as a lot of the music composed for the theatrical cut. 4. The death of John Strode is much more intense. Even if you don’t like the exploding head, all the shots leading up to it are much more effective than they are in the p-cut. 5. I really like the scene of Jamie walking around in the barn and how she sees Michael lit up by a flash of lightning and then he seems to disappear. Very creepy because it gives Michael a ghost-like quality. In the p-cut she just sits on a bale of hay waiting to get stabbed. 6. Instead of Wynn saying he gave Michael the Curse of Thorn as he does in the p-cut, in the t-cut he just says that Loomis was the first one to recognize that Michael was “evil. Pure, uncorrupted, ancient.” This keeps Michael’s evil more mysterious because it doesn’t directly tell us that Wynn made him evil. 7. There’s nothing in the film that suggests Michael is the father of Jamie’s baby. I thought having him be the father was ridiculous and in the t-cut it’s a mystery who the father is (or maybe the baby was the result of a genetic experiment conducted by Wynn). T-Cut cons: 1. Not enough Loomis. 2. The ending isn’t explained. What is Wynn’s plan? What does he intend to do with Danny and the baby? There needed to be at least a minimum amount of explanation so that we can try to make some sense of it. 3. Too much crazy “flash cut” editing. 4. They overdid it with the jump scares and some other sound effects. 5. I’m not a fan of how Jamie dies in such a brutal, over-the-top way. 6. Since Jamie dies early on in the film there’s no reason why Loomis hangs out at the hospital all day. Why is he there? Does he just really like the cafeteria food? After comparing all the pros and cons of the two cuts I prefer the theatrical cut. My two main reasons are: 1. It’s more intense 2. The nature of Michael’s evil is a bit more mysterious.
Good breakdown. I agree. There should be a mystery around why Michael does what he does. Explaining it away with him being controlled by another entity makes him more of a side character than the full blown antagonist
I think one of the cult members impregnated Jamie on Wynn's orders, and Michael just sat and observed. And I honestly like the Rock version of the iconic score. Gives it a bit more variety. And maybe the effect of the curse of Thorn was too much for Loomis when the mark appeared on his wrist that it eventually killed him? I mean, it could have different effects on certain people. Wynn embraced it, but when he passed it on to Loomis, it might've been too powerful for the guy that it killed him. Just a theory, but I think it'd make sense.
The reasons why I prefer the Theatrical Cut are exactly the same as yours. Michael is not treated as the cult's pet dog, he still seems to be his own thing, uncontrollable. This added to the way gorier kills make him way more menacing and mysterious
@@Lonewolf_665 dude the name Halloween can't clear this of the shit show it was so many diffrent produces stupid storyline to go off of, it was doomed to fail
I'm so excited for this series! I love comparing different versions of movies. Idea that I'm sure others have said before: Saying "Let's get to the cuts!" before starting your analysis. It just seems like a natural thing to say and echoes your Kill Count line.
I didn't think I would find a new series that I could enjoy just as much as the "Kill Counts". I am so happy to be wrong! I loved this content, I can't wait for more!
Halloween 6 is a mess, but it was just trying to make sense of the elements introduced in 5, and was a labor of love by many involved. I'd still say I like Halloween 6 more than Halloween 5 and Resurrection.
6 is my 4th favourite film in the franchise. My list: 1: Halloween 2 2: Halloween 3 3: Halloween 1 4: Halloween 6 5: Halloween 2018 6: Halloween 2007 7: Halloween 4 8: Halloween H20 9: Halloween 2 2009 10: Halloween 5 11: Halloween Resurrection I enjoy them all, even 5 and Resurrection, they have flaws but I'm someone who can easily recognise flaws, accept them and put them aside to enjoy the rest of a film. I can say that 5 is the most boring and Resurrection is the most offensively stupid but still like I said... Don't care too much, I like them, which one I like more can alternate from time to time, same for H4 and H20, sometimes I like one more, others I prefer the other. But my favourites being 2 and 3 are set in stone, fucking love those films.
Honestly before I heard about this I thought that Jamie got together with Billy from the last film or with another man when she was older and got pregnant but she gets kidnapped when she was due and the rest of the film continues. I guess the only reason why they added this is so the Weintens can show the horrible actions they do behind the scenes.
It definetly would've been better if the two were combined to have the theatrical ending with Loomis dying alongside with the gorier deaths, but with the smoother timeline explaining parts the theatrical cut removed.
Some sick fan of Halloween 6 with will probably make such a cut some day. Just gotta color grade the two to match, made easier since the producer's cut is practically raw footage without an intense grade to work against.
in Producer's cut, this is originally titled "Halloween 666: The Origin of Michael Myers" but they changed into "Halloween: The Curse Of Michael Myers", James!
As per usual, James, you always find new ways to bring something fresh and cool to the channel, we as viewers really appreciate the effort you put to each and everyone of this series. I loved the Cut Comparison, is a great addition to Dead Meat. Keep the good work, pal!
There’s another cut comparison that might get a comparison: Saw III (Original and Director’s Cut). There’s some scenes in the Director’s Cut such as a Catfight between Amanda and Lynn, Amanda getting nightmares about Adam, and Jeff playing the tape instead of John.
Seriously i watched the Movie on Prime Video but was confused about the missing ritual scene so many reviewers showed. I didn't know that there has actually been a directors cut. Thank you so much for showing me everything that i missed.
This is the first time I've seen your channel, and I really liked the concept of this video. As a filmmaker, I know just how hard editing is and I'm fascinated by alternate cuts of movies. Please do more of these. :)
I tuned in for parts of the editing livestream, and these look much harder to edit than a kill count. The extra effort required is totally gonna pay off and bring some more variety to the channel, though, so keep up all the hard work you do! I'm a huge fan already :)
I really dig this channel because of the insight on movie making and the decisions that do or do not happen. They feel a bit nicer segmented (not that kill counts aren't) and have a DOPE ASS song playing over it B) you go guys, I can't get enough of this already, I hope to see more!
Here's some trivia, the music during the producer's cut with Donald pleasence is narrating is using the track "on the way" by popol vuh from the film nosferatu the vampyr. Took me a 2nd watch of this to remember that track
Is it just me or does the Smith's Grove sanitarium look exactly like the Ridgemont mental hospital that Micheal was getting transferred back to Smith's Grove from in the beginning of Halloween 4???
Halloween 6 has always been the most fascinating film in the franchise to me, not in that it’s any good but just with how there are two vastly different cuts and the behind the scenes drama.
Imo the first 2 acts of the producers cut is superior, but the 3rd act of the theatrical is not as bad. It's not good, but the Producers ending is just atrocious. You missed the stingers and jump scares in the different versions, and Kara's dialogue is changed when she's standing over Michael at the foot of the stairs. Overall, I love this and I'm glad someone put in the effort! Great job!
I'm definitely down with the Cut Comparisons. I love James' insight into the processes that go into making a movie- he makes learning fun! And another series means more Dead Meat, and that's something we all want
The tattoo is the rune Thurisaz which is often used to symbolize unconscious forces, sociological forces, chaos, destruction by natural forces, complexities of aggression, conflicts, disputes, psychological problems, breakthrough, aggressive male sexuality, battering down barriers, thorn of awakening, and trouble which pretty much means it symbolizes Michael Myers
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►CORRECTION I HAVE TO MAKE: The doctor smashed against the gate isn't played by George P. Wilbur. I could've sworn I saw BTS stuff where they said it was, but apparently the actor was Fred Lerner, who, fun fact, was the father of the replacement Michael Myers actor A. Michael Lerner. MY BAD! SORRY!
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James's after evil dead you should do JAWS if not busy
Hai I luv your videos :3 especially this 1
I love Halloween 6 :)
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New series...who dis?
I don't know how to respond I guess I'll put 😂,thats good enough
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Cut Comparison
"Too skinny and her chin is too pointy..."
Seeing as how the actress is really hot and it's the Weinsteins, I'm going to go ahead and guess what actually happened to 'piss them off.'
According to the story, they also hated Donald because they considered him 'too old and boring' which is why they kept trying to cut his role smaller. So yes, GARBAGE PEOPLE.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid I think this is one of the most agreeable statements you could utter on TH-cam.
Why can't film makers have more respect toward actors, man?
@@mrdreamy1747 I think they just have a general disrespect toward all people, and because they view actors as replaceable, they try to plug 'ordinary' people into acting jobs in order to gain leverage over them.
@@mrdreamy1747 I don’t think it’s filmmakers in general I just think it’s trash people givin power
This entire channel is actually making me interested in horror, something I'd never thought would happen. Thanks for making videos, man!
Not interested in horror? Oh god.. I couldn't live without horror movies.
@@cookiesontoast9981 It's just not my thing. At least not when I was easily scared back in the day. It didn't seem fun to me to deliberately scare myself. Now that I've grown up, I get the appeal, although more in terms of the techniques they use for gore, the psychology of the murderers etc.
@SpoonForkSpork It's really fun. I watched the newest Halloween last week and really enjoyed it.
Same
Me too
Just wanna put it out there, the knife being removed while she’s on the operating table is how it’s treated in real life. If an object(this case the knife) has punctured say an artery or vein, the only thing keeping the Vic from bleeding to death is the knife, so generally it is removed while on the operating table so the surgeons can stop any life threatening bleeding and close up the wound.
I apologize and Excuse me for any grammatical errors.
Yup they have to cut it out
happened to my by he was involved in a horrible stabbing being stabbed as he was walking out the door of a bar into a group fighting each other so he got attacked and was stabbed bad t h e knife was stuck all the way into his side only the handle out , entire blade in him. Fuckers almost killed him. Inches away from knicking his lung.
Had to have surgery and they had to cut the knife out. My bf was in such shock when it happened he tried to pull it out and thankfully he couldn't it wouldn't even move one bit. It was so bad. And just nasty having to clean that cut it was massive since they had to cut the knife out.
The guy in the video isn't very smart about taking out the knife before going to the hospital.
@@gjk2012 duh he’s not a doctor....
That was literally perfect English...
thought of that while he questions it
like, "ain't that a good thing?"
The movie was actually being medically accurate when showing the doctors not removing the knife until Jamie was in surgery
Exactly, I'm still SO pissed when in "Starship Troopers" they remove that piece of Arachnid that bit into Dizzy, DON'T REMOVE IT YOU IDIOTS, that's the only thing that's at least keeping the hemorrhage as closed as possible!!! She could have survived it damn it
@@DeepEye1994 DIZZZY !!!!!!! yep as soon as they removed that she was done..
Like I’m Christine when ardie took that glass shard out of his side
That producer's version seems LEAGUES better than the theatrical. While it still isn't the best, it at least makes a lot of sense, and is way better than the other, more dumbed down and silly version. The only thing it lacked was memorable kills, which I guess the theatrical version sort of had, mostly just with the electrical head explosion kill.
However, the final frontier did suck, like "objectively".
Yea Michael rapping his niece is alot better
There are aspects of the Producers cut that are better, like the music and the pacing. The only better thing about the theatrical cut was that it did give the impression that Michael was pure evil that was only contained, and not controlled, by the cult, and eventually, he ends them after too much interference on their part.
The Halloween franchise was never really about memorable kills or gore though. Halloween 1 and 2 are both pretty tame, but made up for it in better suspense and rooting for the characters. Same with 4 and 5 with Jamie Lloyd, though those weren't as good, i did enjoy 4 a lot.
@@Noobie2k7 Thank you. Halloween was always better when it concentrated on suspense and build up to something and left more to your imagination. Hell, the music alone is sometimes creepier than what is actually happening onscreen. It's why I prefer the Producers Cut as well as the original Halloween as well. Less is more.
Awesome new series James! I've never seen the Producer's Cut before so it was interesting seeing what they changed. Wish they kept more of Loomis in the theatrical cut, that man is a legend and always added so much gravitas to a series even when the story lacked.
I love you dude
Tell It Animated hey have you made more evolution videos
Me to, also love your channel!
Should be another out mid October :)
@@TellItAnimated sounds good
I think the producer's cut ending is a cool closure to that era of Halloween films before they went onto H20. Loomis being cursed with Thorn and forced as their new leader has a "we're destined to do this forever" vibe followed by the jack o lantern candle being blown out. it's a haunting and cool ending.
"The power of the runes stopped him" - where can I get that on a shirt?
Which yet it didn't because he still got out the circle with no problem.
@@thehalloweenheavymetalwarrior He go out by giving Dr. Winn the curse
The Halloween Warrior he’s asking for a damn shirt not for you to explain the damn story
Make it yourself or have someone make it for you. I've done that before with several lines I've heard from sci fi and horror flicks. Plenty of T-shirt companies out there will make custom shirts for you.
I don’t understand why they cut Donald’s narrating in the beginning. Tommy is a main character in this film, but Dr. Loomis was a huge part of the franchise up until his death. I’m sorry, but it’s kind of hard for me to feel like the latter movies are as good without Loomis. I know they wouldn’t nor shouldn’t recast to keep him alive, but I loved Dr. Loomis and his dramatic scenes. He was awesome! Rip Donald 💔💯
that was my major gripe with the Theatrical cut. Not enough Dr Loomis and it was just as much his story as Micheal's
I'm remembering this from watching Phelous's review of this movie, and he said that apparently, the director (or, well.. the company) chose to show more Tommy and less Dr Loomis because...... they found him boring.
Wtf???
Annausagi2- Boring? Lmao-they’re crazy....I always found Dr. Loomis very entertaining and the obsession he had with stopping Michael from killing was the best! Donald was an amazing actor! 💯💯
Absolutely! I've never been a 'Halloween' fan, but I've always enjoyed the scenes with Donald Pleasence in them, whenever they aired the movies on tv. "Boring", my ass.
Lloyd Duff you’re exactly right 💯
holy shit I loved James pulling in a new james 😂😂
Givani De La Cerda lmao when he compared the cuts
15:32 I'm guessing it makes a touch more sense in the movie itself, but I'm really confused as to why Michael finding out that the baby is his would make a difference; Laurie and Jaime being related to him didn't stop him from trying to kill them (or worse in Jaime's case) and he's supposed to be evil incarnate. Plus, why wouldn't he know it was his kid at that point if the cult had that whole gross ritual?
The relation of father and child differs from that of brother and sister, I guess...
Well the implication with the 4-6 Michael is that he's not evil, he's being manipulated by evil forces that he can't understand and is desperately trying to free himself from them (and he was lead to believe killing his family would do that)
@@demonteprice5870 But his son is also his family, so why wouldn't the same "Kill your whole family, Michael, it'll totally work I swear" promise apply then? The movie was just written by hacks, that's the problem.
My guess was that Kara was trying to distract him for a second while she was waiting to be rescued
Jamie being raped by her uncle is too disturbing, especially since we and Micheal first saw her as a little kid, it's too dark and real for me and I guess for most people too
This is a great new Series. Please continue.
Bryce Mckenzie huh there’s only probably alien 3, rob zombies both Halloween’s.
He might have to go to other genres to keep up the series. Imagine him doing this to BvS theatrical vs Ultimate Cuts.
Doctor Cthulhu have to have been covered on the kill count
AGREED
666th like 😳
I love how happy you sound when you call out the shitty parts of these movies, not just Halloween but every movie
H1&2 and H4-6 > H20-HR
@@03bgood Yes indeed! H1, H2, H4, H5, H6 P-Cut are way better than H20 and Resurrection.
@@03bgood They are also better than both Rob Zombie garbage films and also better than that crappy garbage Halloween 2018 movie!
How did I miss "Arthurian fist clench" the first time through this? I love the cut comparisons and am looking forward to more of them when you get the chance
Your comparison of both movies at the very end, with their pros and cons, oddly reminded me of Professor Oak grading my photos in Pokemon Snap, lol
You were close.
Haha
“Well my student, this cut comparison is good, I give you... A CHARIZARD!!!!”
This is fantastic work. The amount of thought and effort put into it shines through. Thank you James. You're a godsend to the horror community.
Shane Cook- Laliberte
AGREED
Satansent*
You should totally say “let’s cut to the comparison” instead of “lets get to the kills” for this new series
Yeah, I'm gonna love this series. Who wouldn't love this?
67 people apparently lol
Dang the producers cut is way better except the part where Loomis gets the thorn
Considering the letter thorn was in use up until at least the invention of the printing press, that producer's cut title card reads 'Hthlloween 6'.
The Producer's Cut is the best one. The theatrical one was a total mess and made no sense!
After the invention of the printing press, it was often substituted with "y." e.g. "Ye olde shoppes."
So, "Hylloween 6"?
@@grantorino2325 Hylloween 6.
The Producers Cut was the best, but I would rather the ending to the theatrical cut ending.
@@teeveestudios8594 and cut the parts where Jamie was raped by her uncle boogeyman
I was hoping for you to cover some aspects of the troubled production of Curse and also comment on the differences between the two versions and voila - here comes the Cut Comparison. It's like you've been reading my mind. I'm looking forward to more of this. The Alien series is a good place to start, part 3 is gonna be a shit ton of work, though
Yeah I'm actually kinda hoping James does go back and do the Alien movies at some point for this series, especially since all four of the original movies have director's cuts (with Aliens and 3 being the most popular ones for obvious reasons). Same with any other film he's covered previously that has an unrated/extended version.
I was sold on the producers cut version until they made the father of the baby Michael Myers. That was unnecessary.
Michael... I don't think he is the father of the baby.
To be honest, I think that scene was fine since it wasn't explicit. I can't imagine seeing Michael-fucking-Myers rape someone.
And the ending sucks
Michael is the father of Jamie baby.
Ya as much as the theatrical version makes no sense to have him as a father and rapist is completely stupid. Loomis getting the thorn tattoo at the end was dumb too. Without those to elements producers was better. To be honest though, they both sucked compared to other sequals in the franchise.
I absolutely loved this! I'm so happy you're finally launching this new series. I've been keeping my eyes out for such a video since you mentioned wanting to compare the different versions of Alien 3.
I love the humor and wit of your "Kill Counts" but I really like that you took a more "real talk" approach to this series. For lack of better phrasing, it feels a bit more "intimate" than the usual Kill Count. I don't mean this negatively but there's a clear performance aspect to the Kill Counts, but that's stripped away here and it's just you talking to us, much like with Chelsea and your podcasts.
Excited for the next installment!
"jailbreaking Michael like he was the lastest Iphone"
lmao
If he’s going to continue this series, he has to compare Little Shop of Horrors. The two versions are drastically different endings.
That would be cool, except that’s the only change in the director’s cut, so there’s not much to talk about.
*Inhales* I'M JUST A MEAN GREEN M-
Tommy did not find the runes he brought them himself. he had them in the scene when he explained the curse to Kara another difference in the films you forgot too mention.
I really love how you keep thinking about new things to do on your channel and I think this in particular is a great idea.
Keep up the good work James :D
I’ve recently found this channel, and I love it. You’re such a laid back and chill dude. I used to be terrified of horror movies but now I love them thanks to you. I’m glad that there’s someone out there like you James.
This is going to be an amazing series! Thank you so much for all your hard work James!
I can already tell this is going to a be great series! Keep up the great work James and Chelsea!
Always felt like michael finally became fully aware at the end of the PC. I like that version better because it actually gives us an ending.
I love dead meat because I’m too broke to watch a movie so your videos are like a movie in 20 minutes and review! Thank you James
Streaming is free bud
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Theatrical:
-Better color correction
-Better kills
-Faster paced
-Better Loomis send off
Producers:
-Better use of music (Halloween theme used better)
-Includes key information
-More Loomis
-More Wynn
DoYouWannaGetThe SUCC I never said that I prefer one cut over the other, I merely stated some pros of each. This was to inform others and let them make their own decision, not to force my opinion on to anyone.
DoYouWannaGetThe SUCC You can’t say you wanted to let people make their own decisions when instead of stating facts you said ‘The producers cut is WAY better’ that’s not letting others make an opinion, that’s just you forcing your opinion on others. I do agree that the producers cut is better, but you shouldn’t hate on someone because they think the theatrical is better.
DoYouWannaGetThe SUCC DoYouWannaGetThe SUCC Saying ‘The producers cut is WAY better’ is not ‘actually facts’ it’s still just your opinion
Wow. WIll you leave the guy alone? Dick.
@@reesemiller9337 You're a waste of space.
Would love to see a version with the producer's cut story line, but with the gorier, and more graphic kill scenes of the theatrical version inserted. Aka the BEST of both versions.
can't wait for the Friday the 13th part 7 cut comparison
koa022
If the footage still exists
I think the footage is gone :(
It exists, i saw it in a documentary, but the quality is worse than My Bloody Valentine
Hey, that gives me an idea
Even if the quality suxx, we still can see how violent and gore the kills were before the cut
th-cam.com/video/x9zf6eOZmMo/w-d-xo.html
Is it weird that I was way too excited for this?
AceWire802 No
Im excited for every dead meat videos
Not at all
AceWire802 yes
Thank you for doing this! As someone who adores the franchise and was in the midde of a marathon, this film confused the hell out of me 😅
I had also seen the Producer's cut years ago so I thought I had a Mandala effect happening when I realized how bizzarely different the theatrical cut I saw recently was
I love this new addition to the channel!
wow you are bloody beautiful bless be💀🎃🕷🌷
how is that your comment was posted '21 hours ago' the video was uploaded 30 mins ago !?
@@joeygrenova7635 patreon
Lucky patreon
fu#* it i'm pledging .
6years from Halloween 5
6 film
6months into the year
(A coincidence? I think not)
CakeLick DOO WEE DOO WEE WEE DOO
666
Hmm…666 ?
FILM THEORY!!!!!!!!
You missed a golden opportunity;
*6% rotten tomatoes*
Seriously, im not even joking, it has 6% rotten tomatoes.
R.I.P
Dr. Loomis
Donald Pleasance
@@gamleskalle1 the guy who will be known as Dr.Loomis
Awesome video and concept. Who can top your content? NO ONE, that's who. Thanks!
I ALREADY LOVE THIS SERIES YESSS
javier q same
16:39 “Sounds stupid but the story checks out…”
😂
“standing there like an idiot” 😂😂
“Michael’s impotence”
😂😂😂
James is the GOAT
He really is
No Eminem is.
@@gaindalfthewhey5845 yea but James is the goat of horror TH-cam channels
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Zer' atai no Tupac is
I didn't expect it that soon for some reason, but I'm SO not complaing.
A great idea and of course an equally great execution. Feel free to make more, you got my vote!
(Too bad that the late 90s Mel Gibson joint PAYBACK isn't a horror movie, because I can't think of any other movie that has such drastically different cuts.)
Here are my pros and cons for both versions of Halloween 6.
P-Cut pros:
1. Opening narration with Loomis
2. More scenes with Loomis.
3. Since Jamie survives Michael’s attack, that gives Loomis a reason to be at the hospital.
4. I like the music that was composed for the cult scenes as well as some of the classic Carpenter music.
5. More scenes with other characters that help develop them more.
P-Cut cons:
1. Michael impregnating Jamie.
2. Wynn telling Loomis that he gave Michael the “gift of Thorn,” which makes Michael less mysterious since Wynn made him murder his sister and has been controlling him ever since.
3. Michael being stopped by magic rocks. I don’t want there to be extremely obvious supernatural things in the Halloween films. Hint at it, but don’t confirm it.
4. The entire last act has almost no intensity and feels more like a soap opera than a Halloween movie.
5. When John Strode gets electrocuted you can see the stuntman’s face and he looks nothing like the actor.
6. The film relies too heavily on the classic Carpenter music. It’s used way too much and doesn’t know when to fade out.
7. Michael is basically a sidekick. He should be the main villain.
8. Thorn tattoo appearing on Loomis’s wrist. This Thorn stuff was getting ridiculous. It’s fine to talk about it a bit but it’s focused on way too much and takes away from the suspense and mysterious nature of Michael Myers.
9. The nighttime shot of Smith’s Grove is actually a recycled shot from Halloween 4, except in Halloween 4 it was a different building. Seems like a lazy and unprofessional thing to do.
T-Cut pros:
1. Michael is brutal. The last act of the film shows how relentless and uncontrollable he is.
2. The Curse of Thorn seems more like a theory to explain why Michael is evil instead of being an indisputable fact as in the producer’s cut.
3. I really like the song “And Fools Shine On” as well as a lot of the music composed for the theatrical cut.
4. The death of John Strode is much more intense. Even if you don’t like the exploding head, all the shots leading up to it are much more effective than they are in the p-cut.
5. I really like the scene of Jamie walking around in the barn and how she sees Michael lit up by a flash of lightning and then he seems to disappear. Very creepy because it gives Michael a ghost-like quality. In the p-cut she just sits on a bale of hay waiting to get stabbed.
6. Instead of Wynn saying he gave Michael the Curse of Thorn as he does in the p-cut, in the t-cut he just says that Loomis was the first one to recognize that Michael was “evil. Pure, uncorrupted, ancient.” This keeps Michael’s evil more mysterious because it doesn’t directly tell us that Wynn made him evil.
7. There’s nothing in the film that suggests Michael is the father of Jamie’s baby. I thought having him be the father was ridiculous and in the t-cut it’s a mystery who the father is (or maybe the baby was the result of a genetic experiment conducted by Wynn).
T-Cut cons:
1. Not enough Loomis.
2. The ending isn’t explained. What is Wynn’s plan? What does he intend to do with Danny and the baby? There needed to be at least a minimum amount of explanation so that we can try to make some sense of it.
3. Too much crazy “flash cut” editing.
4. They overdid it with the jump scares and some other sound effects.
5. I’m not a fan of how Jamie dies in such a brutal, over-the-top way.
6. Since Jamie dies early on in the film there’s no reason why Loomis hangs out at the hospital all day. Why is he there? Does he just really like the cafeteria food?
After comparing all the pros and cons of the two cuts I prefer the theatrical cut. My two main reasons are:
1. It’s more intense
2. The nature of Michael’s evil is a bit more mysterious.
Good breakdown. I agree. There should be a mystery around why Michael does what he does. Explaining it away with him being controlled by another entity makes him more of a side character than the full blown antagonist
I think one of the cult members impregnated Jamie on Wynn's orders, and Michael just sat and observed. And I honestly like the Rock version of the iconic score. Gives it a bit more variety. And maybe the effect of the curse of Thorn was too much for Loomis when the mark appeared on his wrist that it eventually killed him? I mean, it could have different effects on certain people. Wynn embraced it, but when he passed it on to Loomis, it might've been too powerful for the guy that it killed him. Just a theory, but I think it'd make sense.
@@EntertainmentFan11 maybe Loomis killed himself afterward as he doesn’t want forced to be part of the Cult
@@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 That's also possible.
The reasons why I prefer the Theatrical Cut are exactly the same as yours. Michael is not treated as the cult's pet dog, he still seems to be his own thing, uncontrollable. This added to the way gorier kills make him way more menacing and mysterious
Both versions have their Strentghs and Weaknesses
Star Platinum And both kind of suck.
@@megashark1013 nah
@@Lonewolf_665 dude the name Halloween can't clear this of the shit show it was so many diffrent produces stupid storyline to go off of, it was doomed to fail
Mostly just weaknesses
Both rly? Producers seem a lot better
that barry kicks ass shirt is cool if you believe it's applies to barry burton ;)
YES! The first Resident Evil game was Awesome!
The best waifu
I want the kill counts for that series
you were almost a jill sandwich!
"let's get to the cuts" sounds a little better. Can't wait to see more of this. Great job with the channel.
YES KEEP DOING THESE! Love yah James 💖
Love the double uploads James keep up the good work
I'm so excited for this series! I love comparing different versions of movies.
Idea that I'm sure others have said before: Saying "Let's get to the cuts!" before starting your analysis. It just seems like a natural thing to say and echoes your Kill Count line.
IM IN THE FUTURE NOW!!!
Fun fact, there is actually a small town in Kentucky named Smith's Grove, that happens to be in Warren County.
John Carpenter is from KY in the nearby town of Bowling Green. It was an intentional name choice just like Haddonfield.
So we gone act like Michael wasn't walking fast in this movie
Please keep going, you really are big influence and I love that you guys are doing this. Always forward and that's inspirational
This is the coolest concept I’ve seen in a while. This concept is amazing for other films! Looking forward to more!
I didn't think I would find a new series that I could enjoy just as much as the "Kill Counts". I am so happy to be wrong! I loved this content, I can't wait for more!
Halloween 6 is a mess, but it was just trying to make sense of the elements introduced in 5, and was a labor of love by many involved. I'd still say I like Halloween 6 more than Halloween 5 and Resurrection.
Nice dog.
6 is my 4th favourite film in the franchise.
My list:
1: Halloween 2
2: Halloween 3
3: Halloween 1
4: Halloween 6
5: Halloween 2018
6: Halloween 2007
7: Halloween 4
8: Halloween H20
9: Halloween 2 2009
10: Halloween 5
11: Halloween Resurrection
I enjoy them all, even 5 and Resurrection, they have flaws but I'm someone who can easily recognise flaws, accept them and put them aside to enjoy the rest of a film. I can say that 5 is the most boring and Resurrection is the most offensively stupid but still like I said... Don't care too much, I like them, which one I like more can alternate from time to time, same for H4 and H20, sometimes I like one more, others I prefer the other.
But my favourites being 2 and 3 are set in stone, fucking love those films.
Halloween 6 Producers cut is the best one in the Halloween franchise. Too bad they did not do the sequel that was planned for it
If you only read the sequel that was planned for it you wouldn't be saying it's a mess.
The planned sequel to Part 6 would be FAR better than the shit that has come out since
Definitely a series I'd look forward to seeing more installments of. Keep it up, James!
As a LONG time Halloween Series Fan this comparison of the 2 versions of the film is the most comprehensive & thorough one I've seen! Well Done!
So is no one gonna talk about how nasty it was that Mike raped his niece to make his grand nephew?
I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN THE PRO CUT IF IT WASNT FOR THAT. ONE. SCENE.
@@AsickJoke woah, it actually shows that??? I thought the cult people just inseminated her???
@@leahconners5054 It's not exactly showed but yeah. Kara said that the baby was Michael's.
@Freddie Krueger 😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly before I heard about this I thought that Jamie got together with Billy from the last film or with another man when she was older and got pregnant but she gets kidnapped when she was due and the rest of the film continues. I guess the only reason why they added this is so the Weintens can show the horrible actions they do behind the scenes.
This is a quality addition to the channel. Keep up the good work James. Any movies you've already covered have enough to make a cut comparison of?
It definetly would've been better if the two were combined to have the theatrical ending with Loomis dying alongside with the gorier deaths, but with the smoother timeline explaining parts the theatrical cut removed.
Some sick fan of Halloween 6 with will probably make such a cut some day. Just gotta color grade the two to match, made easier since the producer's cut is practically raw footage without an intense grade to work against.
I wanna do this someday and call it the "definitive version". Then I upload it to TH-cam
in Producer's cut, this is originally titled "Halloween 666: The Origin of Michael Myers" but they changed into "Halloween: The Curse Of Michael Myers", James!
Everytime you upload, I get excited.
As per usual, James, you always find new ways to bring something fresh and cool to the channel, we as viewers really appreciate the effort you put to each and everyone of this series. I loved the Cut Comparison, is a great addition to Dead Meat. Keep the good work, pal!
There’s another cut comparison that might get a comparison: Saw III (Original and Director’s Cut). There’s some scenes in the Director’s Cut such as a Catfight between Amanda and Lynn, Amanda getting nightmares about Adam, and Jeff playing the tape instead of John.
love all the new series keep it up
Thank you for making this 🖤🧡🖤
Hey James!
Loving the kill
Counts and the new content too! Love seeing the differences between movies and the context you give them!
Enjoyed both cut comparisons. Really good stuff
Seriously i watched the Movie on Prime Video but was confused about the missing ritual scene so many reviewers showed.
I didn't know that there has actually been a directors cut.
Thank you so much for showing me everything that i missed.
16:48 "And he doesn't notice when the Killer does an Arthurian fist clench at his side"
I cannot believe you just referenced that meme
I can't believe I didn't notice this. Can we get a version of that scene with Micheal and Evil Spooky Cult Dude?
The fact you think "Arthurian" means Arthur from the cartoon makes me real damn sad.. Read up on history..
@@trod146 mmm...no. sorry. If it makes ya feel better I liked your comment.
I really like this Cut Comparison and think you should definitely do more of these.
90th time watching this. Thanks James. Love the George P Wilbur reference here and in family guy.
You should’ve said let’s cut to the comparison
I thought the same thing.
This is the first time I've seen your channel, and I really liked the concept of this video. As a filmmaker, I know just how hard editing is and I'm fascinated by alternate cuts of movies. Please do more of these. :)
Producer cut might be my new fav Halloween movie
*_*Evil laughing*_*
*_THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT SERIES_*
i love these cut comparisons you make. bravo!
I tuned in for parts of the editing livestream, and these look much harder to edit than a kill count. The extra effort required is totally gonna pay off and bring some more variety to the channel, though, so keep up all the hard work you do! I'm a huge fan already :)
17:20 when your mom says we're all out of pizza rolls
Honestly I thought the color looked better raw and unedited
Same
I really dig this channel because of the insight on movie making and the decisions that do or do not happen. They feel a bit nicer segmented (not that kill counts aren't) and have a DOPE ASS song playing over it B)
you go guys, I can't get enough of this already, I hope to see more!
“What are you doing to that picture” you know what, James. Blame Harvey for that.
More dead Meat? OH HELL YEAH
Here's some trivia, the music during the producer's cut with Donald pleasence is narrating is using the track "on the way" by popol vuh from the film nosferatu the vampyr. Took me a 2nd watch of this to remember that track
James, this is a really cool thing you’re doing. My wife and are digging it. Great work.
it would be "My wife and me are digging it"
Is it just me or does the Smith's Grove sanitarium look exactly like the Ridgemont mental hospital that Micheal was getting transferred back to Smith's Grove from in the beginning of Halloween 4???
It is. I believe it is stock footage.
Halloween 6 has always been the most fascinating film in the franchise to me, not in that it’s any good but just with how there are two vastly different cuts and the behind the scenes drama.
Imo the first 2 acts of the producers cut is superior, but the 3rd act of the theatrical is not as bad. It's not good, but the Producers ending is just atrocious.
You missed the stingers and jump scares in the different versions, and Kara's dialogue is changed when she's standing over Michael at the foot of the stairs.
Overall, I love this and I'm glad someone put in the effort! Great job!
Great video James
The Cut comparison is een Great Idea for a new serie en please Do Alien 3 Next for the Cut comparison
I'm definitely down with the Cut Comparisons. I love James' insight into the processes that go into making a movie- he makes learning fun!
And another series means more Dead Meat, and that's something we all want
The tattoo is the rune Thurisaz which is often used to symbolize unconscious forces, sociological forces, chaos, destruction by natural forces, complexities of aggression, conflicts, disputes, psychological problems, breakthrough, aggressive male sexuality, battering down barriers, thorn of awakening, and trouble which pretty much means it symbolizes Michael Myers
I’m so excited for this series
The Producer's Cut is and will always be my go to version of Halloween 6 I will watch. More Dr. Loomis and it makes more sense
Well, I hope this series don’t get...cut!
I regret nothing...