Painkillers in the NFL: Marcellus Wiley & the False Choice
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- More than 1,000 former NFL players are addicted to painkillers. Many are without health insurance, or any semblance of a support system. In this VICE Sports Sitdown, NFL veteran and ESPN commentator Marcellus Wiley discusses his use of toradol and the renal failure that he suffered as a result.
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Nothing but respect for Marcellus Wiley. He seems like a very smart and thoughtful guy that actually knows exactly what he's talking about.
Well, he did go to Columbia University after all.
marblee Whatever he knows, he learned it from Max Kellerman!
Brian Cheng
Lol
+BIMMOM good to know all the smart ones took forever to see they were getting f'd over
+BIMMOM this is beyond concussions, people willing to give their lives to peoples with million dollar legal teams is absurd, before their concussions. If it was afterwards well, then we need to give them every effort from us to free them from their strive. Maybe...
Man as Marine i took Oxycodone to stay in shape for the fitness test after surgery. I became addicted after 3 months of taking the stuff. I realized something was wrong. Im crying right now thank you Marcellus
I'm sorry bruh. I resigned from being an officer (need) after they the medical mishaps they did to me. Hope you get better
God bless you. I had to have surgery and i wanted to feel ok and the pills did it
@@smittyjje How are you doing Josh. You good now bro..? Just know, it's one day at a time family.. ...and I'm not kidding..if you need a cat to speak with you let me know.
I left the Marines an alcoholic and didn't realize it. Because everyone in the barracks drank every day none of my brothers noticed I needed a shot of Hennessy to stand up right in formation. No one ever picked up on that including me. Addiction is a funny thing.
@@Forgemno are you okay now?
Cant believe people are stupid enough to say this is Marcellus' fault. He acknowledges that he did take them and he is a grown man, but the DOCTOR prescribed them, checked his medical records every year, and never mentioned any of the side effects, knowing that Wiley also had asthma. Some people are so stupid to claim that he should have know. Nobody has the time to be an expert every field of life. Are we all supposed to check our support beams by ourselves to make sure the construction workers did a sufficient job building our house? Should I take apart my oven to make sure everything is working right and it doesn't explode the next time I turn it on?
soap bubbles i agree with what you general point is but I think maybe what the case is and what he was saying was their negligence in the sense that they actually did not check for cross indicators, as opposed to seeing them and choosing to ignore them. Obviously, both can be harmful/deadly so it may not matter much in terms of the ultimate consequences, but I do think it paints a different picture in terms of the culture
Well said, spot on.
And yet millions of deplorables along with President P-Grabby believe themselves qualified to deny climate science despite never having cracked open a climate science textbook.
@@danielmocsny5066 Honestly thats really it. I've read about it. I understand some but the fact of the matter is 99 percent of the top people in the field say hey it's happening and it's an issue. But big oil and people backed by it deny it.
Kurt Hirschler ????????
Ok people are telling Marcellus to know what goes into his body and do his research. How does one do research? Ask around right? Who best knows about these kind of drugs? DOCTORS. The same doctors who told him he could take said drugs. This was back in the 80's-90's, so you couldnt just google drugs and shit
GURU Even if you could google drugs im going to trust a doctor over 99% of websites. I agee with you man its bullshit idk how you could do that as a Doctor shits insane
seriously............ If you are going to learn to swim, you ask a swim teacher. if you are going to learn how to play basketball, ask a basketball coach. if you are going to learn about the medication you should be taking, ask a mother fucking doctor. And those NFL doctors said it is okay for them taking those drugs, withholding all the negative side effects.
People Always talk like they have all the answers on the internet.
Basically I'm just assuming those talking to be little kids... Or old men. Only those who can't understand simple things
The incident he described happened when he was a radio host from 2010-15.
This sounds like some of the same stuff that happens to military veterans
Sheltwon Well the government is basically run by corporations
I was just about to write that
Yup. Unfortunately
Air Force vet here. VA won’t do anything to fix my problems. They just shell out all these pills for me to take so that it’s dulled. It’s a shame.
Aaaaaaaall those gaw'damn bottles of opiates I saw in Warfighter's hands walking around the WTU barracks at Fort Bliss, while I was recovering from bicep tendon tear/re-attachment surgery. That was fuck'n sobering af!
everyone knows the nfl doesn't give two shits about their players. its sick
It's all about the shield
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
for real defiently after there retired
Why the fuck would they? For every injured player there's two thousand guys willing to take his place. Has no one here heard of economics - supply and demand. The supply is high bruh.
they get paid enough that they don't deserve any remorse from anyone for anything. period.
It always blows my mind that people love these players when they're on your team, all drugged up and taking concussions so you can be happy, and when a player needs medical attention on the field we applaud them but as soon as they need medical attention off the field we do the opposite.
sounds like our veterans.
My thoughts exactly!!.....pop a pill culture....that's why they won't legalize Mary Jane...cause the government isn't get a piece of the pie...but pharmaceutical companies are through pills!! Greed!!
this truth is so terrible... How hugs you're correct we don't take our veterans health as serious as we need to. thankfully trump is working on the VA office
drencrum damn
There mentality is what have you done for me lately.
"This is not about principal with an AL, but about principle with an LE"
Very well said!
adv536 what does this mean?
@@imchanging4008 Principal. Principle.
Its sad how much shady stuff happens behind closed doors in the NFL. For the owners, $ > players health.
pwoo124 every business is like that its shitty
The thing is though if any of us where in the owners situation we would be the same way
+pwoo124 That's capitalism mate
+Yung Derry unfortunately. Nfl is a dirty league
Oh please, this vid should be titled "How I traded health for wealth"
I got a shot of Toradol last month for a major back injury that I didnt want opiates for. I went from calling my mother to help me out of bed at 9am, to manually changing a tire on my car 20min after I got the shot 3 hours later. It was a miracle, and I can totally understand why the players loved it. Its not euphoric and addictive like opiates, but its an insane anti-inflammatory. If you have a job to do that requires huge physical prowess and you are already in pain, its the PERFECT drug.
another great piece by vice
+Derrick Wade
Wtf Dwayne Rose how did you do that, it looks so real.
Very nice Derrick Wade
Not sure if D Rose or D Wade 🤔
Derrick Wade This is actually the first legit VICE piece. The other one they did on Opioids was a joke. Vice is know for telling half truths. They did a western themed piece about ISIS awhile back, that oddly enough seemed like it was marketing for ISIS rather than reporting.
Fuck vice
"let's fix this together"
mad respect for mr Wiley
a brave intellectually honest man
thank you sir
Wiley is an Awesome guy who tells it like it is.
Damn. Talk about an eloquent speaker with a charismatic personality.
Wish this video was longer
jaynaz2k5 I know your comment is over 2 years old but you should watch the 30 for 30: broke athletes. That’s an hour and a half and it’s a huge eye opener.
@@mikenelson8377 I love 30 for 30. I never seen that one. Need to find it so I can watch
Yeah, for everyone saying Marcellus should know everything about the drugs he was given. You do realize that this is before the internet was as big as it is? His only frame of reference for the drug info are the doctors giving him the drugs and they aren't being up front and honest in the first place.
SoulGrind what I believe every nfl player should be doing is to have a private doctor prescribe all your medications.
The internet existed tho dummy. It's not like he was waiting for the web bandwagons
Why do people keep bringing up the lack of internet as an excuse? The usage instructions are right on the bottle. They even highlighted the part where it said usage not to exceed 5 days.
He was also told to stay off his foot for 8 weeks and instead went back after only two. Dude was chasin that money he mentioned in the first few minutes of the video. This video should be titled, "How I traded my health for wealth."
SoulGrind
MN u
Thank you Vice Sports, this way way more informative than i imagined.
Luke Harskin your a sucker
*this was
playinragz *you’re
Omniscient 1 shut up bitch
I met Marcellus in 02 at Bills training camp I never have seen a player who made himself so accessible to the fans he talked to us for 10 minutes Go Bills
Great piece. Very articulate guy.
As opposed to......
@D K Totally agree, on top of that, Rowan went ahead and assumed Marcellus' gender, what a piece of shit.
He was valedictorian of his high school class. Brilliant guy by any meausure
Anyone who follows his commentary will know that he I'd extremely well spoken and well read. He is on POINT.
This happening in All professional sports! Thank you for sharing your story🙌🏽
Now I know why Kawahi wanted out of San Antonio after his injury assessment
kipmbachu the KD situation too
Kd shoulda sat for the finals! The owner and team doc shoulda said no
ibrahim konare they did say no nigga but KD wanted to play himself so others don’t think he a bitch so it’s his own fault
@@AfG_313 that should never be his call to make. He was limping coming into the arena. No doctor in there right mind should've cleared it.
@4:02 That dance with a broken foot 😂
Love this guy man! Such a stand up guy!
“Not everyone is blessed to have the real world smack them in the face” love that quote
i had Marcellus he comes off like kind of an arrogant athlete but after watching this i got respect for thw guy
Lol never got that from him
you know, he graduated from Columbia ... he arrogant in a I'm very very intelligent
He doesn't come off like that at all...lol wtf
@@luvjon3s the oc is a gringo ... par for the course ...
Nah he comes off as the token black guy in a room full of white folk. I Bet you his wife is white
I miss SportsNation, Marcel was arguably the biggest reason I watched the show, but finding this out... man I'm lost for words, I'm glad Marcellus is doing better since that day and I hope all NFL players can receive the proper medical care they deserve for the time they put into the League.
This dude is 100% real. NFL needs to get their stuff together
"Twenty years old, Six pack, pressin' 500lbs, and you cant make it through your forties?" brilliantly put.
Everyone had an idea of what may be going on in the NFL to produce such "monsters" and "invincible" human beings, but we never (at least I didn't) had a clue to what extent the NFL went to-- to produce them and MAINTAIN them. This series is compelling.
NFL isn't what anyone thinks. Should do more on this! I like this, and the exposure.
Real Talk from Marcellus Wiley. There's so much that NFL athletes deal with concerning injuries we don't know about.
Dat dude is DAT dude!
Marcellus is a legend and his honor is second to none. To not get on the concussion lawsuit when he easily could have bc he didnt feel he experienced it enough or the same as some is pretty epic, what a Gentleman and a Pro!
Marcellus Wiley rules!
Wow, you’re the first I have heard respond to this. For eight years I had been self injecting Toradol at the rate of once or twice a month. This was for acute migraine. They took me off of earlier meds for migraine due to interaction issues. No one warned me about Toradol. I ended up on hydro morphone as a last result. Toradol eventually ate up 1/3 of my kidney tissue. Everyone got all worked up over the opiates, but it was Toradol that did the damage. I’m now off of both medications and finding relief for daily migraines through lyrica and flexor I’ll combined. Thanks for speaking up. I’m a retired wrestling coach and football coach of thirty years. I appreciate you bringing this forward. They lied about concussi9ns and they are not being up front about the malpractice of pain killers.
Love watching this man on fsn every day. Eloquent and deep. Pure delight.
But you can't smoke weed. The NFL is a joke.
Listen to scott fujita on marijuana in the NFL, its on youtube.
He pretty much says coaches had all but encouraged him to smoke as opposed to going out drinking etc. Coaches more or less from his experience didnt care at all about their players smoking weed, as long as they didnt get caught. He implies that most guys are made well aware of upcoming drug tests , and as long as they figure out how to pass the test in time then smoke all you want at the end of the day when you get home.
It sounds like the way that the testing is, if you fail a test still even knowing when you will get tested then the problem is carelessness more than smoking itself.
CBD not THC. If it's about pain then it's CBD if it's thc then all you want is to get high. Stay sober.
the only joke is people like you think Cannabis is a pain killer when its proven not to be, www.smh.com.au/national/in-major-study-cannabis-shows-no-benefit-for-chronic-pain-20180702-p4zp0z.html
Medically speaking the only thing Cannabis has been proven with science to do is reduce nausea for people on Chemo.
@@SuperJohn12354 no.... theres so many more medical benefits
He a real dude man! He always keeps it 100 and let u make a decision!
Marcellus I am a recovering addict and I have nothing but respect for u as an athlete and a man.Btw I'm a Titans fan.Lol.Much love!
What happened to the hippocratic oath. These team "doctors" make me sick.
Money is the only oath most believe in can we agree...🐰🔥😬😕😔
more like hypocritical oath
Exactly. I guess "do no harm" goes out the window.
The changed the Hippocratic Oath to the hypocritical oath.
Listen to any given sunday about that shit
Wiley is not a dumb jock, he’s one of the most smartest guys from the NFL. He need his own TH-cam channel.
Well spoken, educated awesome player. I'm glad he's doing good.
Respect... One of my favorite person to watch and listen too
Huge respect for Mr. Wiley.
You can see in these videos the look of being betrayed when they mention their coaches. Coaches like teachers serve as pseudo parents.
Reminds me of the movie: Any Given Sunday, with Al Pacino ...when he went off on the team doctor and the team doctor spoke on omitting info from the player/s. Hek of a movie, and to hear my LA brethren speak on it just hits home. Damn
Man I love Marcellus, miss him on ESPNLA
I love his shows. So much respect for the guy
400k and 500k, I'm playing for the wrong team.
deharleyva Facts
@Cool Breeze really? You know uncle Sam gets half right?
@Cool Breeze lol. 20 years ago I might agree. But today with inflation it wouldn't last you 5 years. 1600 a month in rent is almost 20,000 a year. Add electricity, internet, kids wife(no money no honey) beer. I could go on forever.
Lol what team do you play on?
Remember the he man said the 400-500 k was off season bonus money. Invest that . 4% of 400 k would pay a few bills if your careful.
0:55 love that part legends not friends and brethren
Damn, it's amazing that he can reveal all this with intelligence and honesty, but no anger. Wow just wow. I have watched Sports Nation for years mainly for his insightful commentary on sports.
This is excellent and insightful.
The MDs in the NFL are not there to maintain player health or safety. They're hired by the organizations as mechanics to see if the machines are in operating condition. It's sad, but he doesn't understand why NFL teams hire the Doctors.
Yes BUT these same Doctors are also obligated to take care of their patients,. they maybe employed by the League but in the end they answer to medical boards and the courts for malpractice..
Please let me know an instance when an NFL doctor was brought before a medical board. Whoever the team doctor was when RG3 played for the Redskins would be an example of a doctor whose actions need to be reviewed.
Ignorance is strong in this comment section.
Great piece V.S.
Great video. I love his last line the best.
Awsome interview. So raw and real. Keep making noise Marcellus!
Hes awesome!
"Do your damn job" sounds right but just like when he saw those uncashed checks and that kind of money motivated him to do what he had to so he could play it has the same affect on everyone else to do what they have to.
Outstanding message
Great piece
what.a.great.speaker !
They need to get Shannon Sharp on here
skkiiiiiiuuupp
He works for NFL network.
Long Schnozzed Tribesman preach
Yes. To speak on the benefits of PED use during those bronco years.
EAS supplement was based right in their back yard Golden CO. EAS was a huge proponent of PED use. Shannon was an EAS athlete. So were a few of the other bronco players.
Nothing but respect for this man.
Well said! I'm happy these brave men are speaking up. It can't be easy.
Always liked that guy, smart as hell, great at his job
He's great. Sports nation all day
Love this dude man
Vice you do a good job.
i don’t blame andrew luck
And now Keuchly :/
Andrew Luck was the smartest football 🏈 player ever
He knew when to retire before his body was ruined
This is another reason why weed needs to be allowed in the NFL.
exactly. but Stephen A Smith will keep saying to GET OFF THE WEEEED. I feels for Josh Gordon
Ben,
Marijuana needs to be legal for the country,not just the Not For Long crowd...
Except weed doesnt work as a painkiller. It can manage aches and bruising; light stuff. Try managing the pain of a broken leg with weed.
@@leorickt.9604 they dont wanna hear that.
Niggas just wanna get high
All you uneducated saying weed dont cure head injury or pain could take a 1,000 mg h-bomb and tell me what they see or feel in an hour.
Wow smh 🤦🏽♀️ this is so sad ! Unfortunately these are the things that go unnoticed !
Great video
Allow medical cannabis use in the NFL.
These don't have nearly enough views....why aren't more people seeing these?
Because most people believe that they get paid so much who cares about the after effects.
extremely intelligent and well spoken. I hope you accomplish your goal and help others.
I dislike a number of Marcellus’ take on sports and teams, but I do find him incredibly entertaining, relatable and honest so to finally find out what sidelined him and to now hear his experience is really insightful. Keep it up Dat Dude.
Yet Cannabis Marijuana is a band from the NFL smh
It is banned not band but marijuana cant be ruled by big pharma so it will be a hell of a fight to get it legal on a federal level.
I searched music for ‘Cannabis Marijuana’. That band doesn’t exist 😂
Marcellus Wallace
We are associates of your business partner Marcellus Wallace. You do remember Marcellus Wallace don’t you Bret?
What does he look like?
that's real talk right there. I may not always agree with his takes but that's real talk. props to him for having the INTEGRITY to stand up and say something.
Indica strains help with pain!
+Renato Simic bruh ... maybe after 10 bong rips you might not feel the pain
It's literally nothing compared to painkillers
Bs Opiods are for real men, Pot is for boys
Andre Barsc as the filthy commie swine says behind his screen
@KOLUX 97 Ok who will have more brain cells and drive home w/o intoxication
0:59 how he says *Ted* Washington
very well said
you kno what, first off i respect this man here's the kicker i don't even watch sports or football but for him to be straightup honest w/his story is not only inspiring ppl look up to these guys to play and when they can't not only do the players feel bad because they can't deliver every single time their not super heroes maybe to a five yr old or a 50 yr old idk but their human beings just like us at the end of the day ty god bless, from New Jersey...
1:24 what a life to leave 400000 &500000 check lying around😋
And I'm looking for change between the seats.
Don't say the name.👌🤔
i wonder how health NFL kicker long term health is
You can fuck your up your back just from kicking.
Andrew tran these days players faster to kickers or punters
I remember they gave me ketorolac when I had mono. I couldn't feel anything and felt my recovery time was amped up 20x.
Wiley is a really good storyteller. Very well done piece.
I listen to him and Max Kellerman almost everyday
+Devante they should take over first take when skip and stephen A. are done.
Alexander Cooney That would a dream come true... Max was actually on Espn first take about 10 years ago...
+Devante Porter well max is taking over first take
If you close your eyes and listen to him and Will Smith it's so similar vocally.
Cooley96 holy shit! Lol
wow no, not even close the fuck you talking about
Pretty close
No, he sounds like Marcellus Wiley.....
Yea I do hear it!!! But the laugh there only could be one will Smith
Great commentary brother Wiley!
Understand this happens on every level in football from high school on up. My senior year I was doped up for 6 games after seriously hurting my knee and that was in 1996.
This is what happens when we live in a cut throat world. We throw away our morale values all for the sake of producing. NFL will does not have time to wait for a player, they will move on from you in an instance. Because producing equals money.
in capitalism... people 'protect' the ones that write their checks.. so unless you are seeing your doctor or your union doctor their priority isn't to protect you or your future.. and that is for those who are good at their jobs
It's true. If the incentive is profit, why cure anyone?
Goes to show you how bad the alternative is that we still stick with it despite issues like that
Nonsense regurgitation of a socialist viewpoint on Capitalism. You take care of your customer also because without the customer you make no profit.
In this case the NFL is the customer not the players.
socialist/commie bullshit
Great insight.
Sounds like the VA, to me. I had 4 accidental overdoses taking pain meds, AS PRESCRIBED. It was the other meds I was taking, mixed with the opioids, I guess. After I would get out of the civilian hospital, I'd go to the VA Clinic, tell them what happened they'd just put me on a different med, to "see how this one works out". I finally quit most everything(except B/P and insulin), on my own. Nasty withdrawals, "redecorated" the house a couple of times. Sorry I got off track, but I've always looked at NFL players as heroes. Looks like I've found a new one. Thank you for your effort in what you do.🏈🤜🤛
They should have a bigger roster and more backup players.. Pay a little less and hire more players so that if somebody is hurt they can sit out until they heal.. He'll have a 100 man roster and go 5 deep in every position..
Very interesting concept.
Means less money for everybody, and no players want that,or owners.
NFL stands for Not For Long
No its national football league
A great speaker. Hope Marcellus' health problems get fixed.
Good guy. I hope is ok and the other Vets that need help.
Selling your soul. That’s all it is.
But how.many guys will sell there soul for possibly generational weath?
@Theron Neal well said.