@@thunderlord3183, did he get greedy? I am not so sure. He took his son on a flight through the sky as lightening and storm cloud and froze him in a lake of water. Presumably he needed only a sampling of his son to stabilize his own body, and left his son intact. Thor is from a god and a human, but is not Hulk the same if his father can become any object he touches while also retaining all of the aspects of a personhood?
ReligionOfSacrifice he wanted gamma energy maybe because he knows it’s his most powerful element. I don’t think he wanted to kill his son but just gain some of it just to get really powerful but banner and hulk together gave all of the gamma energy to his dad what is infinite That’s why in the end of the fight his dad was like (TAKE IT BACK) because he’s body could not handle the power so he became week at that point it’s weird.
Yep. Especially this particular scene where David rants about humanity. If they didn’t deserve it in 2003, then they most certainly don’t deserve it now. Oh well.
@@TheItFactorMMA He was talking about what we all know, USA goverment has done a lot of harm to humanity with wars, and this movie was released during Irak invasion by Bush.
I haven't seen a single she Hulk episode. I don't even want to. The trailer was enough. It filled my head with so much disgust and cringe. Go ahead and call me a sexist incel. Watching your mother get stabbed by your father with a kitchen knife while trying to save you from getting killed by your own father must be child's play for women. Getting treated like shit. Growing up in poverty, no girl in life.......fuck. and then this bitch had the audacity of claiming that women are having it tougher than men. Like I wanna slap the dialogue writer and the director so hard.
This is exactly how my father would behave. Completely detached, violent, aggravating, aggressive, intense, abusive, paranoid, angry, apathetic, mean you name it. only thing is he did all that sober. He used to beat my mother too, Watching this scene will always gives me ptsd from when he tried to be fake happy with me afterwards. He would act the same way. People who have never been through that will never even come close to understanding and it shows. They created monsters like that because somehow i still find it in myself to feel sorry for them because i know they weren’t always like that something caused it.
"THINK OF ALL THE HARM THEY'VE DONE!.. To you!.. TO ME!!!.. To Humanity!..." Notice how he emphasizes "to me" the most, outlining his egocentrism which led to him being evil.
This scene is just epic. I love how he instigates. "I didn't come here to see you. I came here to see my son, my real son." and later Bruce says, "I'd rather die!" It just shows all the madness and tension between them.
The one thing I'll say about this movie is how much they tried to develop Bruce as a character , now a days it's just him running away and turning hulk
@@chocobochick5390 In Ragnarok they turned Hulk into a grown baby in a monster's form. Yeah he can talk, but what depth is that suppose to have? And IW, he's so scared that Bruce has to do all the work instead. And most likely that's exactly how he'll be in Endgame.
This is a great encapsulation of Bruce Banner's relationship with his father. David is very clearly behaving like an abusive parent, initially promising a good relationship but indeed his only goal is to leech off power from the Hulk, which is self-serving and he gives nothing back as a parent which is why I always found it a brilliant choice to make him the Absorbing Man: that character just always takes but never gives back which is how these abusive relationship often are, sadly. Eventually the child is discarded once he/she is no longer willing to go along or stands up for him/herself because then it is no longer seen as docile or somehow useful in the eyes of the abusive parent . This is why he frames things in transactional terms ("I gave you life, now you MUST give it back to me"), as if he and Bruce made a contract and that it'd be perfectly normal for Bruce to just give David what he wants and even then his greed comes out ("...only a million times more radiant, more POWERFUL..."). Knowing that this version of the character is the Absorbing Man, one might initially mistake him hugging Bruce for a genuine moment of affection but there's also the possibility that he was just trying to see if he could absorb his son's powers....He's also deliberately trying to get him mad. As parents should love their children and support them, it is clear that David is not capable of these feelings which is why he is pretty clear that he does not view Bruce as his son but rather the Hulk because that's what he ultimately cares more about: power. So when he starts yelling "STOP WHAT?" you get the sense that he has always been this same kind of asshole.
The ending is also great because Hulk doesn't beat his enemy physically. When his dad is full-on Absorbing Man and leeching from him, Hulk directs all his pain and anger into it...and his dad starts absorbing it...but can't withstand it. Despite being the one that inflicted all that abuse onto Bruce, he's not strong enough to endure it himself. Bruce survived it...but his abuser can't. David destroys himself through his own actions and because of his own weakness as compared to the son who he berated for being weak.
I think at one time, at the beginning of the film, David was a loving husband and father, as is evident by how warmly his wife speaks to him, and his interactions with young Bruce are, as well as his trying to find a cure for whatever it was he inadvertently passed on the latter. Ross not only kicking David off the project he was working on, but also knocking over his microscope and smashing those viles next to it, no doubt which contained whatever cure David was working on for his son, drove David into a rage fueled by despair over not being able to cure his son now, I think David thought the only way in that moment to spare his son the pain and suffering his condition would cause him was to kill him, as David said about the event later on to Betty: "I knew I was doing a father's work, fulfilling a father's mercy." And when it resulted in the death of his wife, I believe that was the final thing that pushed him over the edge and into insanity, which only progressed as time went on. I believe that when he first witnessed the Hulk, he was deeply grieved over not only what happened to his son, but also deep guilt knowing he was inadvertently responsible for it. But that soon gave way to obsession, over his son's power, which turned to greed, and afterward nothing and nobody else mattered, except acquiring what he was after. I think David's character arch is the downfall of a good man, a man who was a decent man at one time, but because he let his passion control him, it lead to him destroying both his life but also his family.
Yeah but he was also talking about what we all know, USA government has done a lot of harm to humanity (atomic bomb was the sicckest acts of all) with his soldiers waging wars and rules around the world, and this movie was released during Irak invasion by Bush, clearly it was a hint.
1:28 That moment when Bruce breaks down and starts sobbing is just heart wrenching! It’s like all the grief and sadness over the death of his mother that he’s repressed and kept hidden for so many years finally came to the surface and he reverted back to a little boy again🥺💔
Ang Lee gave us instead a very Adult and serious-minded view of what this man's life and journey would really be like. The comic book version is fun and compelling, but this film goes to such a dark and Real place in human experience. It's not a film for children -as it does go to dark places dealing w/child abuse, spousal abuse and a mentally unbalanced father displaying symptoms of alcoholism.
dannyhuskerjay Different strokes for different folks. Most people enjoy entertaining movies with compelling acting and faithfulness to the comics, but some people (myself included) enjoy introspection and examination of the human mind. What you consider as flaws can also be considered minor annoyances to others.
This is disturbing to watch. At the end of the day (at least in the comics), Bruce suffers from multiple personality disorder brought on by his father's abuse. The Hulk existed before the gamma bomb - he just didn't have physical form yet. It's pretty heartbreaking, honestly.
3:25 *THINK OF ALL THE HARM THEY'VE DONE!!!* His voice cracking His face Acting beyond comprehension You can actually feel his pain when he says that 4:15 ...then you realize he's batshit crazy as hell but.....his acting is trully amazing
To understand David's motives, you need to know some of his past too. David's fear of his own son becoming a monster was based on bruce's lack of emotions and his experiences with his own abusive father, whom he regarded as a monster. He even vowed not to bring another banner into the world, that makes easier to understand why he thinks the hulk is his true son.
I mean they can always bring them back. Tony Stark and Loki in my opinion were the only real deaths in those movies. Everyone else either gets written into a spinoff tv show or gets a stand alone prequel to soften the blow and finally make money off of that character. But I ain't gonna name names, cause I ain't no snitch. *Black Widow Agents of Shield Pepper Pods in Iron Man 3* Edit: Loki is back. This reply could have aged better.
"Let us shed these mortal vessels and have a war as gods!" This to me is one of the most exciting and amazingly conceptual scenes in the film as well as the battle that ensues. What a villain!
This movie was awsome yes I know due to the long boring scenes people were furious.. this is what a real hulk fan loves, his battle with internal conflict and his emotions. Hulk needed to deal with these problems in order to make him truly the greatest super hero.
They weren't boring. Even as a kid I loved this whole movie. Not one part did I skip. It's poetic and real comparer to the shitty version of hulk we have now. Edward Norton hulk is better action wise. But ang Lee hulk is poetic, dark and true to the comics
You know what’s great about this scene? No music. Imagine a modern day franchise superhero movie having a scene this emotionally raw and bleak. Would never happen.
Sometimes I wish their was an immortal man would make every member of the military all branches and every politician in our world disappear in a flash. All those powerful yet disgraceful bastards all those that create laws and acts and constitutions and bills and taxes and their pathetic laws all destroyed by someone more powerful then any human in the universe.
@@ericsantana1184 As someone who's gonna be a sailor in like a month, because he wants to pay for college, can you... not direct your creepy grudge at people trying to make a living and get by in the world? We ain't evil.
this movie didn't try to distract you with funny haha one liners or slap stick, or trying build a world bigger than one movie can handle, or setting up for the next super hero movie. no it was focused on the story and theme it was trying to tell. does it have its own issues? sure. But i can tell you right now compared to this, the MCU is truly a fall from movie making; its all about advertisement now a days.
irkenus It's a lot of movies i enjoy with slow pacing in it, the difference is, those movies had interesting stories and characters that were compelling to me. This in my opinion didn't.
Me too that's the only thing i don't like about the mcu even with the solo movie's the character development isn't there only for iron man since that's where it began but the old marvel movie's felt just like another old movie witch is cool just like the comic's it's not just in your face superhero
not gonna happen, this is the reason why most mcu dont have a feel to be serious as this, there own serious take, did not sold well, the people want action, not a sad or tragic story in a superhero movie.
This is seriously one of the most poignant, emotional, novel, and well-delivered monologs in cinema. You can tell how much the Elder Banner hates what's become of humanity, and really can't blame him for feeling this way.
@@el_chico_punk_contracultur9524 he said the performances just because the movie was bad it doesn't mean the performances were too Eric and David's actor were actually great in their roles
I just watched the 2003 HULK, and I hate I never gave this movie it’s proper credit. this movie is miles ahead of its time. We didn’t deserve this movie until 20-30 years down the line. ANG LEE! Come back and give us the HULK we need
Say what you want about hulk 2003, but the father in this movie is by far the greatest actor in the whole film and arguably one of the best in the whole marvel cinematic universe
Quite interesting? A scientist who tried to play god by changing man and when he developed a God complex he chose his creation in the hulk but it's the hulk ends up destroying his creator. It's like the saying that man kills god but in his attempt to become godlike as a man he created his own destruction.
I just love how this exchange and Nolte’s rant is about the concept of having real individualistic power vs communal power and the society we live in now.
The reason why Bruce turned into the hulk it’s because of his mother, when he was little, David took her away from him and accidentally killed his mother, Bruce really misses his real mother for a long time
I like Ang Lee's version better. Hulk is a hero with a lot of internal conflicts, struggling between emotions and intellect. As a superhero Hulk should be presented that quality in the movie. Ang Lee did a tremendous job brewing that mood. I understand that a lot of audience just want to see things smashed, hero battles villain, but Hulk isn't always that genre. Many times Bruce saw himself as a villain due to his excessive violence. Hulk is not suppose to be a merry character.
(*All due respects to actor Nick Nolte, whose own troubles were unfortunately made public as the Hulk film was being released. God bless, brother Nick.)
The worst thing is, i can see where he's coming from. Everyone hates the government, especially someone like him. A scientist who was forced to stop his research. Feeling cornered, he started to experiment on himself and his son, which got him into even more trouble. Now after being imprisoned for decades and losing his mind, he finally sees a way to get back at them with the very thing he created. And he isn't the only one trying to weaponize Hulk so his hatred for the government isn't even unjustified. If it wasn't for him killing and attacking innocent people, i would probably be rooting for the guy.
Some really good, almost Shakespearian level acting in this scene. There's no doubt had if this scene were in a Disney Marvel movie, it'd be peppered with stupid jokes and one-liners.
This scene... man this is the best acting by Nick Nolte I've ever seen since Warrior. I remember seeing this in the theater when the last two Matrix movies came out back in the day one of the first comic book movies I've ever seen (yes Daredevil was part of them). Truly was honored to see this movie in the theater. I got toys for it too which are gone now.
THINK OF ALL THOSE...MEN OUT THERE IN THEIR UNIFORMS! BERCHING (dk the word) YOU AND SLOWING ORDERS, INFLICTING THEIR PETTY RULE OVER THE ENTIRE GLOBE! THINK OF ALL THE HAREM THEY'VE DONE! TO YOU! TO MEEE! TO HUMANITY! And know this: When we can make them and the flags in hands of government, DISAPPEAR! IN A FLASH!"
A small touch I like with this scene is when David says "Think of all the harm they've done!! To you! To ME!!!" That increase in rage as he's reflecting on their crimes towards him as opposed to the softer rage he demonstrates when trying to appeal to Bruce shows that, in the grand scheme of things, he's more bitter at how they've personally slighted him than he could ever be about Bruce or anyone else. It really shows this man is a sociopath that only wants a "good" relationship with his son to suit his own plans and would be more than happy to kill him if he didn't need him.
@cobbalainen Agreed. I find it unfair when folks compare this to the 2008 version basing it solely on visual effects. What Ang Lee made was a complicated drama that explored the psychosis of the Hulk by examining his inner daemons and repressed memories. What did Louis Letterie do? Make one Hulk fight another and that's the whole story?
I personally think this movie is better than the amazing hulk in 2008. Im not saying that hulk in 2008 was bad, it was amazing but... This movie shows the true nature of hulk, he is invincible(well almost) but still, he has a heart and he can calm himself when nobody attacks him. But in the 2008 movie, all we see of hulk is that hes just a killing machine! But Hulk isn't a killing machine, he only defends himself, thats all. Thats what I loved from the Hulk from 2003 XD
TheCaledan Too bad Jennifer’s acting (facially) sucks in this. Why the director had her convey those “expressions” is beyond me. She really coulda conveyed it so much better and I don’t mean that out of cynicism.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 The Hulk is a genetic manifestation in this movie brought out by the gamma radiation. So he is the physical embodiment of David's toxic masculinity he was striving for: a big green muscle man.
Goddamn after the absolute shredder that the mcu hulk and his lore have been through in the recent years especially in she hulk, I have sooo much respect for this film now, and really always did, I miss when these comic book characters were taken seriously and actually tried to make good movie now its just set ups, terrible off screen development and absolute Disney kid friendly corporate garbage, I love this film
Damn... the villain dropping red pills to Bruce when talking about the Military, following orders, nations and flags people actively worship like a religion. Although most people don't like listening to the truth, most people will probably feel like this... 4:04
I don't care if everyone hated Hulk (2003), this movie was just as cool as I saw it in Grade 5 and now looking back at it; I am going out of my way to say this was Hulk's canonical origin story for Marvel's Hulk.
For a small second when David seems to try to console Bruce, when you consider he's in tears after seeing his son transform into the Hulk for the first time, it seems that perhaps for a split second David is actually being sincere. David even admitted to Betty that he did try to cure his son, but her father put a stop to it, so I think it is reasonable to assume that David, before he became obsessed with his son's power, actually did love his son at one time, same as he loved his wife.
One of the best scenes from an incredible (pun intended) superhero film. The emotional catharsis Ang Lee aimed for really did the comic book antihero justice. Hit the nail on the head. And the comic book type panes and editing were so amazing!
I watch this scene and have always had my anxiety driven up when I watched it as a kid. I watch it now as an adult and am reminded how and why it was so anxiety driving. Disney is really holding back the true potential of the Hulk property.
I think it’s kinda cool when the antagonist and protagonist have a conversation instead of a fight after they discover the truth about each other because they have to learn more about each other and have a reason to try a rip each other ‘s heads off. At least the hero has to give the villain a last chance before the final battle. Marvel doesn’t often do that anymore they just learn about the villain and fight with no discussion about how the villain can change.
"I didn't come here to see you, I have come to see my son"
Ouch...
"My real son...THE ONE INSIDE OF YOU!"
He means to Hulk, his true creation, his true son. Bruce is only a shell to this monster.
Franco Corradi it’s deep and he wanted to absorb his power but got greedy
@@thunderlord3183, did he get greedy? I am not so sure. He took his son on a flight through the sky as lightening and storm cloud and froze him in a lake of water. Presumably he needed only a sampling of his son to stabilize his own body, and left his son intact.
Thor is from a god and a human, but is not Hulk the same if his father can become any object he touches while also retaining all of the aspects of a personhood?
ReligionOfSacrifice he wanted gamma energy maybe because he knows it’s his most powerful element. I don’t think he wanted to kill his son but just gain some of it just to get really powerful but banner and hulk together gave all of the gamma energy to his dad what is infinite
That’s why in the end of the fight his dad was like (TAKE IT BACK) because he’s body could not handle the power so he became week at that point it’s weird.
The world didn't deserve this movie the time it came out, it completely went over their heads.
Yep. Especially this particular scene where David rants about humanity.
If they didn’t deserve it in 2003, then they most certainly don’t deserve it now. Oh well.
Right. Nolte’s monologue seems so ahead of its time.
@@TheItFactorMMA He was talking about what we all know, USA goverment has done a lot of harm to humanity with wars, and this movie was released during Irak invasion by Bush.
@@rebeltough7 interesting, didnt consider the timing
@@TheItFactorMMA Just like American idiot by Green Day
Damn this really feels like a genuine conversation between a father and son who hates each other.
I know. What kind of man would try to do that to his own son?
@@master-of-many-fandoms2020
Someone power hungry.
@@civilwarfare101 ...and hurt. The military destroyed his life. He wanted revenge.
You wouldn’t understand
This scene traumatized me as a kid. Such a badass movie. Ghost rider and hulk are marvel’s realest characters
Surprisingly underrated scene; Eric Bana and Nick Nolte had great performances in this movie
Eh, I found them funny tbh. But in a good way, the classic unintentional kind-of way.
Its so horrible it hilarious
Pifeo mfieo mike fjei
FilmGamer you have to admit he played the fuck out of this scene 💪🏾💪🏾
I love the psychological aspect of this movie, especially growing up in an unstable household myself
that old mans acting is INCREDIBLE.
808MixMaster that's Nick Nolte
@@luislopez3726 Sargent Four Leaf Tayback
Ginga he wrote the book !
@@michaelflores6994 coast guard, sanitation department
That's Nick nolte! He's cool! Very underrated actor
She Hulk: “I have to control my anger infinitely more than you do!”
Bruce in this scene:
3:58-4:03
I haven't seen a single she Hulk episode. I don't even want to. The trailer was enough. It filled my head with so much disgust and cringe. Go ahead and call me a sexist incel. Watching your mother get stabbed by your father with a kitchen knife while trying to save you from getting killed by your own father must be child's play for women. Getting treated like shit. Growing up in poverty, no girl in life.......fuck. and then this bitch had the audacity of claiming that women are having it tougher than men. Like I wanna slap the dialogue writer and the director so hard.
@@beanbroly He means cause he screamed and did not become hulk
I hate that line. It’s such a load of BS. Whoever wrote that knows nothing of Hulk or his struggles.
@@PerryLSuggsSrthat’s cause they try to make it woke
"STOP WHAT?" STOP WHAT??" Damn nolte can perform
Stop It
@@marvinrodriguez7971 STOP WHAT? STOP... WHAT???
Love nick nolte. The man is bad ass .
Good actor.
You could tell he was putting on a show for Ross and his boys.
@@sumthingwikked4257 LOL
this is the best Hulk movie so far. so classic and solid
There are like 2 movies
Yo true that bro, this the best Hulk movie ever made
@@seanfitzgerald8575 avengers..wasn't a hulk movie
@Radical Larry There's an unofficial extended cut with the restored cut scenes
He was mocking Bruce, treating him like a baby.
TheFantastictaco He was talking mostly like he was a damn experiment.
Green Light Comics Bc he is experiment
To unleash His true son the Hulk, Bruce was only a Shell to David.
Stop It
This is exactly how my father would behave. Completely detached, violent, aggravating, aggressive, intense, abusive, paranoid, angry, apathetic, mean you name it. only thing is he did all that sober. He used to beat my mother too, Watching this scene will always gives me ptsd from when he tried to be fake happy with me afterwards. He would act the same way. People who have never been through that will never even come close to understanding and it shows. They created monsters like that because somehow i still find it in myself to feel sorry for them because i know they weren’t always like that something caused it.
he wasn't talking to Bruce he was talking to hulk
Ghoul Hunter 47 thats exactly why Bruce was looking like he was able to Hulk out.
Ghoul Hunter 47 yeah right
That's when THE FREUDIAN FATHER comes to tell a lesson to his son! It's right you; the worst one!
Stop It
"STOP WHAT?! STOP WHAT?!"
jdg20042001 fajfjfhBAhhhhah :c
Nick Nolte would be a great Aku.
That`s intresting.
One of the best pieces of acting I've ever seen, simply amazing. Can't stop rewatching.
"THINK OF ALL THE HARM THEY'VE DONE!.. To you!.. TO ME!!!.. To Humanity!..."
Notice how he emphasizes "to me" the most, outlining his egocentrism which led to him being evil.
This scene is just epic. I love how he instigates. "I didn't come here to see you. I came here to see my son, my real son." and later Bruce says, "I'd rather die!" It just shows all the madness and tension between them.
The one thing I'll say about this movie is how much they tried to develop Bruce as a character , now a days it's just him running away and turning hulk
Tony Montana this is the only thing close to depressing hulk stories like hulk:the end
Infinity war and ragnarok say different . They explored hulk more then any solo hulk film.
dannyhuskerjay no they didn’t they turned him into a scared idiot
@@randycalzone8023 i don't understand
@@chocobochick5390 In Ragnarok they turned Hulk into a grown baby in a monster's form. Yeah he can talk, but what depth is that suppose to have? And IW, he's so scared that Bruce has to do all the work instead. And most likely that's exactly how he'll be in Endgame.
“Think of all the harm they’ve done. To you. To me. To humanity” 🙌🏽
His rant was spot on. He was right.
@@jonathanjohnson9611
Right about what?
"Inflicting their petty rule over the entire globe."
This is a great encapsulation of Bruce Banner's relationship with his father. David is very clearly behaving like an abusive parent, initially promising a good relationship but indeed his only goal is to leech off power from the Hulk, which is self-serving and he gives nothing back as a parent which is why I always found it a brilliant choice to make him the Absorbing Man: that character just always takes but never gives back which is how these abusive relationship often are, sadly. Eventually the child is discarded once he/she is no longer willing to go along or stands up for him/herself because then it is no longer seen as docile or somehow useful in the eyes of the abusive parent . This is why he frames things in transactional terms ("I gave you life, now you MUST give it back to me"), as if he and Bruce made a contract and that it'd be perfectly normal for Bruce to just give David what he wants and even then his greed comes out ("...only a million times more radiant, more POWERFUL..."). Knowing that this version of the character is the Absorbing Man, one might initially mistake him hugging Bruce for a genuine moment of affection but there's also the possibility that he was just trying to see if he could absorb his son's powers....He's also deliberately trying to get him mad. As parents should love their children and support them, it is clear that David is not capable of these feelings which is why he is pretty clear that he does not view Bruce as his son but rather the Hulk because that's what he ultimately cares more about: power. So when he starts yelling "STOP WHAT?" you get the sense that he has always been this same kind of asshole.
This is a fantastic analysis
The ending is also great because Hulk doesn't beat his enemy physically. When his dad is full-on Absorbing Man and leeching from him, Hulk directs all his pain and anger into it...and his dad starts absorbing it...but can't withstand it.
Despite being the one that inflicted all that abuse onto Bruce, he's not strong enough to endure it himself. Bruce survived it...but his abuser can't. David destroys himself through his own actions and because of his own weakness as compared to the son who he berated for being weak.
I think at one time, at the beginning of the film, David was a loving husband and father, as is evident by how warmly his wife speaks to him, and his interactions with young Bruce are, as well as his trying to find a cure for whatever it was he inadvertently passed on the latter.
Ross not only kicking David off the project he was working on, but also knocking over his microscope and smashing those viles next to it, no doubt which contained whatever cure David was working on for his son, drove David into a rage fueled by despair over not being able to cure his son now, I think David thought the only way in that moment to spare his son the pain and suffering his condition would cause him was to kill him, as David said about the event later on to Betty: "I knew I was doing a father's work, fulfilling a father's mercy."
And when it resulted in the death of his wife, I believe that was the final thing that pushed him over the edge and into insanity, which only progressed as time went on.
I believe that when he first witnessed the Hulk, he was deeply grieved over not only what happened to his son, but also deep guilt knowing he was inadvertently responsible for it. But that soon gave way to obsession, over his son's power, which turned to greed, and afterward nothing and nobody else mattered, except acquiring what he was after.
I think David's character arch is the downfall of a good man, a man who was a decent man at one time, but because he let his passion control him, it lead to him destroying both his life but also his family.
Yeah but he was also talking about what we all know, USA government has done a lot of harm to humanity (atomic bomb was the sicckest acts of all) with his soldiers waging wars and rules around the world, and this movie was released during Irak invasion by Bush, clearly it was a hint.
1:28 That moment when Bruce breaks down and starts sobbing is just heart wrenching! It’s like all the grief and sadness over the death of his mother that he’s repressed and kept hidden for so many years finally came to the surface and he reverted back to a little boy again🥺💔
35 years later he was finally able to release all his repressed emotions
David: ''Infected humanity's SOUL!'' Bruce: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! David: ''................NYAAAHH!....'' XD
jejeje lol.
Bruce actually yelled "Don't!"
Leon Duncan lol my favorite part 😂
nyeehh
Crazy old man. 🤣🤣🤣
Ang Lee gave us instead a very Adult and serious-minded view of what this man's life and journey would really be like. The comic book version is fun and compelling, but this film goes to such a dark and Real place in human experience. It's not a film for children -as it does go to dark places dealing w/child abuse, spousal abuse and a mentally unbalanced father displaying symptoms of alcoholism.
pointlesswaste1 yep. And the mainstream wanted a dumb down version.
pointlesswaste1 still had its problems. Wooden acting and slip to far from the comics in terms of hulk dogs and making his dad the absorbing man.
Without this, there would be no The Dark Knight trilogy or Logan.
dannyhuskerjay Different strokes for different folks. Most people enjoy entertaining movies with compelling acting and faithfulness to the comics, but some people (myself included) enjoy introspection and examination of the human mind. What you consider as flaws can also be considered minor annoyances to others.
The mutant poodle, Talbot's goofy death scene and Nick Nolte's overacting kinda ruins any attempts of this movie of being serious.
This is disturbing to watch. At the end of the day (at least in the comics), Bruce suffers from multiple personality disorder brought on by his father's abuse. The Hulk existed before the gamma bomb - he just didn't have physical form yet. It's pretty heartbreaking, honestly.
@SongWriterSaturdays Yeah, it's certainly one of the more interesting things about the Hulk.
In the comics, Brian Banner kills his wife
It’s also unintentionally funny.
@@ChristianFrates1997 how?
@@ChristianFrates1997 just like your pfp
3:25
*THINK OF ALL THE HARM THEY'VE DONE!!!*
His voice cracking
His face
Acting beyond comprehension
You can actually feel his pain when he says that
4:15 ...then you realize he's batshit crazy as hell but.....his acting is trully amazing
He through a little tantrum right there because Bruce was not giving him what he wanted and still ignoring him. He still ain't shit.
It feels... Shakespearean...
To understand David's motives, you need to know some of his past too. David's fear of his own son becoming a monster was based on bruce's lack of emotions and his experiences with his own abusive father, whom he regarded as a monster. He even vowed not to bring another banner into the world, that makes easier to understand why he thinks the hulk is his true son.
Ge@r&@rcher comic history there. The only reason I give this film a pass is due to lee obviously doing research into the peter David Brian banner arc
dannyhuskerjay no You got it wrong
@@dannyhuskerjay I've Peter David was of the best Writers for the comics
@dannyhuskerjay the only reason? Wow you must be fun to watch movies with
Marvel: *(Kills off beloved characters)*
Fans: *Marvel, please stop..*
Marvel: *STOP WHAT?!! STOP WHAT??!!*
Nyyyaaaahhhhh...!
Ohh man that was awesome the way you said it 🤣
I mean they can always bring them back. Tony Stark and Loki in my opinion were the only real deaths in those movies. Everyone else either gets written into a spinoff tv show or gets a stand alone prequel to soften the blow and finally make money off of that character. But I ain't gonna name names, cause I ain't no snitch.
*Black Widow
Agents of Shield
Pepper Pods in Iron Man 3*
Edit: Loki is back. This reply could have aged better.
Marvel: No I don't think I will.
3:08
"Let us shed these mortal vessels and have a war as gods!" This to me is one of the most exciting and amazingly conceptual scenes in the film as well as the battle that ensues. What a villain!
one of the best scenes with great acting
BalloDah ٰ this movie and it's acting both suck
Kevin Reynart the acting is not great, and the movie is snore inducingly boring
i bet you cant even do better than 4:15 if you even tried
So serious to the point of unintentional hilarity.
@Dr. Hannibal Lecter because he didnt like a thing you like? Are you five?
This movie was awsome yes I know due to the long boring scenes people were furious.. this is what a real hulk fan loves, his battle with internal conflict and his emotions. Hulk needed to deal with these problems in order to make him truly the greatest super hero.
I found nothing boring about the scenes. But then again I'm not a schizophrenic 'all action no plot' person
As a kid you may not understand everything but as you age it all becomes clear and it’s pure art.
@@ashlirabid9614 funny thing is that this movie had more hulk action then all the avengers movies
They weren't boring. Even as a kid I loved this whole movie. Not one part did I skip. It's poetic and real comparer to the shitty version of hulk we have now. Edward Norton hulk is better action wise. But ang Lee hulk is poetic, dark and true to the comics
You know what’s great about this scene? No music. Imagine a modern day franchise superhero movie having a scene this emotionally raw and bleak. Would never happen.
Logan was pretty close.
3:31 😂😂😂 "to humanity" oh man Nick should've got a Oscar for this part lol
Always cracks me up for some reason!!!!🤣🤣
Think of all the harm they've done....
To you....
To me....
*....TO HUMANITY!!!!* ✊🧐✊
It's such a hippy, recoiled-sense "stick it to the Man" type of deal which makes perfect sense for David banner.
TheSuperReviewer And what's wrong with that?
It's actually *TO ME* and not *to HUMANITY*
@@nightlife9476 he SAID BOTH !!!
brilliant acting from Nick Nolte what a legend
Nolte made this movie. Ang Lee was wise to cast him.
Eric was great too
Ali Sam Elliot was another great casting choice as well.
"inflicting their petty rule over the entire globe" I have never in a movie heard something as true as that one sentence
deicidemaul That's exactly what im saying! that alone is what made this movie a classic.
Sometimes I wish their was an immortal man would make every member of the military all branches and every politician in our world disappear in a flash. All those powerful yet disgraceful bastards all those that create laws and acts and constitutions and bills and taxes and their pathetic laws all destroyed by someone more powerful then any human in the universe.
Some seriously disturbing comments here.
I am so glad that people see that part and understands it.
@@ericsantana1184 As someone who's gonna be a sailor in like a month, because he wants to pay for college, can you... not direct your creepy grudge at people trying to make a living and get by in the world? We ain't evil.
This is a finest piece of acting in any superhero movie. Looks like a theater stage rather than a movie.
You’ll never be able to convince me that Nick Nolte didn’t just drunkenly stumble onto the set of this movie and they just decided to write him in
Yeah, hardcore method acting at its best. Similar to his performance in "Warrior" with Tom Hardy.
4:13 this is gold
“I gave you life now you must give it back to me”
Wow father of the year everyone
Fr I almost want to laugh at that line because of how completely evil it is 😂
"I didn't come to see you, I came to see my son, my real son."
Nick Nolte literally chews the scenery. That CAN'T be unintentional.
TheGrayMysterious They tried to stop him But he was to insane
Back when Marvel movies had character development and deep dialogs.
Infinity War. The End
Marvel still has that. It just develops over the multiple movies.
this movie didn't try to distract you with funny haha one liners or slap stick, or trying build a world bigger than one movie can handle, or setting up for the next super hero movie. no it was focused on the story and theme it was trying to tell. does it have its own issues? sure. But i can tell you right now compared to this, the MCU is truly a fall from movie making; its all about advertisement now a days.
Now it’s just basically the “pop” genre of the movie industry
James Schamus is a genius!
"stop your bawling....you weak little piece of human trash"
This is a 10/10 performance 😂😂
I know that's so amazing
Stop It
@@marvinrodriguez7971 STAAAAPT IT CAAAAM AAAAAAN DUUUU IT NAOWWWWWWWWWWW
*speck
Underrated movie
Eric Jackson Not really...It's pretty slow and boring, it has it's decent moments tho.
I prefer slow pacing over horrible fast pacing. This is like a real book.
irkenus It's a lot of movies i enjoy with slow pacing in it, the difference is, those movies had interesting stories and characters that were compelling to me. This in my opinion didn't.
irkenus Same here! I thought I was the only one!
Eric Jackson this movie sucks
I wish more marvel movies were like this
Hahahaha
@@ho5722 umm
Me too that's the only thing i don't like about the mcu even with the solo movie's the character development isn't there only for iron man since that's where it began but the old marvel movie's felt just like another old movie witch is cool just like the comic's it's not just in your face superhero
Lol comment was made 8 years ago and has never been so true 💯👌
not gonna happen, this is the reason why most mcu dont have a feel to be serious as this, there own serious take, did not sold well, the people want action, not a sad or tragic story in a superhero movie.
Nick Nolte's speech make absolute perfect sense to me.
You misspelled "perfect" over a year ago.
@@Lamontraymontbundy why thank you
Yeah, he was talking to the Hulk not Bruce.
@Radical Larry go somewhere
Same. That's why I came back to this scene.
Bruce's father was attending to absorb him until Bruce told him to not touch him. That scene was slick lol.
Director: So Nick, we need you to pretend you’re being electrocuted.
Nick: Pretend?! Fire that bad boy up!!
This is seriously one of the most poignant, emotional, novel, and well-delivered monologs in cinema.
You can tell how much the Elder Banner hates what's become of humanity, and really can't blame him for feeling this way.
The setup here along with their anger is like watching a stage play. I think that’s why I like this scene more than the actual Hulk scenes.
She Hulk: I know how to control my anger, I've been catcalled and mansplained
Bruce:
What an amazing performance!
????????????
+Kevin Reynart hello bro you like movie?
@@el_chico_punk_contracultur9524 he said the performances just because the movie was bad it doesn't mean the performances were too Eric and David's actor were actually great in their roles
I just watched the 2003 HULK, and I hate I never gave this movie it’s proper credit. this movie is miles ahead of its time. We didn’t deserve this movie until 20-30 years down the line. ANG LEE! Come back and give us the HULK we need
Congrats, Nick Nolte, you just beat Jim Carrey as the standard for crazy acting. That's a damn accolade.
3:25-3:33. That line was about the MCU.
Armond White would approve. That's a compliment by the way.
Lmao still done more good than harm, don't lie
How is about the MCU? What harm have the movies done?
@@master-of-many-fandoms2020 They are terrible and unimaginitive.
So we just gonna act like infinity war and endgame didnt happen? Ok
Say what you want about hulk 2003, but the father in this movie is by far the greatest actor in the whole film and arguably one of the best in the whole marvel cinematic universe
Two things:
1. That actor is Nick Nolte
2. Hulk (2003) isn't part of the MCU
So...was Nick Nolte playing Nick Nolte? Because it looks like it.
lol
so that's why the media have never asked Nolte his opinion on 9/11 etc
He's not really acting or anything, they just woke him up from his nap and turned a camera on.
Your joke needs work. But Nick Nolte was playing David Banner who was really supposed to be named Brian Banner instead of David.
Somebody get me the joke police
this is the best hulk movie, this movie is like batman begins and dark knight but for the hulk in one movie
Mark It's dark and gritty like the dark Knight was to batman yes, unfortunately this movie wasn't as well made like the Dark Knight.
This started it all. I think Heath Ledger inspired his performance off of Nick Nolte.
Mark this movie freaking sucks.
Eh, it's okay. Bit pretentious at times, but still.
Wrathful Sausage andd you swallow
Quite interesting? A scientist who tried to play god by changing man and when he developed a God complex he chose his creation in the hulk but it's the hulk ends up destroying his creator. It's like the saying that man kills god but in his attempt to become godlike as a man he created his own destruction.
Batman VSuperman anyone? ????
TheSuperReviewer No. Just no. This movie is better.
True
Ian Malcom quote?
@@SB992REBORN where is that comparison even coming from ??
2020: Good news everyone! Murder Hornets!
Everyone: Please, stop...
2020: STOP!? STOP, WHAT!? STOP, WHAT!?
who else is here because She-Hulk thinks she had it harder than Bruce's life?
I wouldn't like to have a man like David Banner as my father. He's crazy.
Tertrue.. here here, Alun!
No shit.
I just love how this exchange and Nolte’s rant is about the concept of having real individualistic power vs communal power and the society we live in now.
Same. His rant perfectly encapsulates how humanity traded its soul and individualism in exchange for meaningless tribalism
It’s so disheartening.
The reason why Bruce turned into the hulk it’s because of his mother, when he was little, David took her away from him and accidentally killed his mother, Bruce really misses his real mother for a long time
It’s better in the novelization because it reveals that Bruce wasn’t talking to David, but to the Hulk that kept agreeing with David.
A loving father and son devolve into bitter enemies. This is hardcore adult storytelling at its finest.
I like Ang Lee's version better. Hulk is a hero with a lot of internal conflicts, struggling between emotions and intellect. As a superhero Hulk should be presented that quality in the movie. Ang Lee did a tremendous job brewing that mood.
I understand that a lot of audience just want to see things smashed, hero battles villain, but Hulk isn't always that genre. Many times Bruce saw himself as a villain due to his excessive violence. Hulk is not suppose to be a merry character.
Nick Nolte is such an awesome actor
Starring Nick Nolte as Himself.
(*All due respects to actor Nick Nolte, whose own troubles were unfortunately made public as the Hulk film was being released. God bless, brother Nick.)
The worst thing is, i can see where he's coming from. Everyone hates the government, especially someone like him.
A scientist who was forced to stop his research. Feeling cornered, he started to experiment on himself and his son, which got him into even more trouble.
Now after being imprisoned for decades and losing his mind, he finally sees a way to get back at them with the very thing he created. And he isn't the only one trying to weaponize Hulk so his hatred for the government isn't even unjustified. If it wasn't for him killing and attacking innocent people, i would probably be rooting for the guy.
4:15 when you mock deathclaws in fallout
You win the internet. 😂
Some really good, almost Shakespearian level acting in this scene. There's no doubt had if this scene were in a Disney Marvel movie, it'd be peppered with stupid jokes and one-liners.
This scene had some wonderful acting. It was the best part of that movie
How do we go from Hulk Projects like this Movie to Now She-Hulk?!?!
This scene... man this is the best acting by Nick Nolte I've ever seen since Warrior. I remember seeing this in the theater when the last two Matrix movies came out back in the day one of the first comic book movies I've ever seen (yes Daredevil was part of them). Truly was honored to see this movie in the theater. I got toys for it too which are gone now.
STOP WHAT STOP WHAT!!!
tita Barajas *NYYYAH*
THINK OF ALL THOSE...MEN OUT THERE IN THEIR UNIFORMS! BERCHING (dk the word) YOU AND SLOWING ORDERS, INFLICTING THEIR PETTY RULE OVER THE ENTIRE GLOBE! THINK OF ALL THE HAREM THEY'VE DONE! TO YOU! TO MEEE! TO HUMANITY! And know this: When we can make them and the flags in hands of government, DISAPPEAR! IN A FLASH!"
Stop ur balling u weak little speck of human trash.
@@leonduncan3327 You and Me
@@ninjacheetah9784 I'd rather die…!
One of the most beautiful stories of Marvel.
4:14 is my most favorite part of the scene
Gotta say, "daddy" Banner here makes some reasonable philosophical points. Almost a Promethean perspective.
Jesus Christ the acting in this scene is top notch, especially Nolte.
A small touch I like with this scene is when David says "Think of all the harm they've done!! To you! To ME!!!"
That increase in rage as he's reflecting on their crimes towards him as opposed to the softer rage he demonstrates when trying to appeal to Bruce shows that, in the grand scheme of things, he's more bitter at how they've personally slighted him than he could ever be about Bruce or anyone else.
It really shows this man is a sociopath that only wants a "good" relationship with his son to suit his own plans and would be more than happy to kill him if he didn't need him.
Dang nice analysis
@cobbalainen Agreed. I find it unfair when folks compare this to the 2008 version basing it solely on visual effects. What Ang Lee made was a complicated drama that explored the psychosis of the Hulk by examining his inner daemons and repressed memories. What did Louis Letterie do? Make one Hulk fight another and that's the whole story?
Both are good.
“I want to absorb your power”
“Fuck off”
I Wish more superhero films today had really intense scenes like this, sadly those days are long gone
Logan had that, too.
@@ChristianFrates1997 yes, and the famous dark knight interrogation scene, brilliant
@@BRONZALiVEI don’t like how The Dark Knight overshadowed Batman Begins.
Why do I agree with David Banner in this regarding soldiers, military and nations? It really seems like he has a great point honestly...
Rite! Then he said you shall die and reborn a hero he was!
Phoenix 4 Aldaes 3:25: One of the truest statements ever.
because hes right
I personally think this movie is better than the amazing hulk in 2008. Im not saying that hulk in 2008 was bad, it was amazing but... This movie shows the true nature of hulk, he is invincible(well almost) but still, he has a heart and he can calm himself when nobody attacks him. But in the 2008 movie, all we see of hulk is that hes just a killing machine! But Hulk isn't a killing machine, he only defends himself, thats all. Thats what I loved from the Hulk from 2003 XD
TheCaledan Too bad Jennifer’s acting (facially) sucks in this. Why the director had her convey those “expressions” is beyond me. She really coulda conveyed it so much better and I don’t mean that out of cynicism.
Well if you remember hulk always tried to initially run away, also said leave me alone, but the soldiers wouldn't quit so he attacked them.
The Hulk and Spider-Man 1 will always be my favourite
wrong, 2008 hulk not only was also defending himself and even protected betty and general ross and didnt even kill abomination thanks to betty.
OH, I'LL GO! *BITES CORD OZZY STYLE* YOU JUST WATCH ME GO!
Sharon Osborne: Dummy, its real!!
*Proceeds to Absorbs Electricity*
4:15 lol had me dying of laughter!!!
Nick deserves an oscar for this scene!
Meanwhile, the pop-Hulk just goes "I'm always angry!" -_-
Who’s here after She Hulk said that her getting Cat Called is harder than this.
This is literally the only media Ive seen outside the comics that explores Bruce's Abusive father problems
It explains why Bruce is so angry and becomes a big muscle man to assert his toxic masculinity, which is why he's green.
@@virgogaming6488 The only toxic person in this scene is Bruce's father, and he's like that because he's insane not because he's a man.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 The Hulk is a genetic manifestation in this movie brought out by the gamma radiation. So he is the physical embodiment of David's toxic masculinity he was striving for: a big green muscle man.
@@virgogaming6488 He was trying to uplift humanity, evolve them to their next stage. All humans. Not just men.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 And ended up using his son as his own personal guinea pig.
Goddamn after the absolute shredder that the mcu hulk and his lore have been through in the recent years especially in she hulk, I have sooo much respect for this film now, and really always did, I miss when these comic book characters were taken seriously and actually tried to make good movie now its just set ups, terrible off screen development and absolute Disney kid friendly corporate garbage, I love this film
Damn... the villain dropping red pills to Bruce when talking about the Military, following orders, nations and flags people actively worship like a religion. Although most people don't like listening to the truth, most people will probably feel like this... 4:04
04:15
fathers know how to imitate you in the midst of a break down to show you they’ve been there before. But your stronger than you think.
This is how my father and me had our relationship especially when hulk said "Takeeeee it all""
I don't care if everyone hated Hulk (2003), this movie was just as cool as I saw it in Grade 5 and now looking back at it; I am going out of my way to say this was Hulk's canonical origin story for Marvel's Hulk.
This movie is a masterpiece in my eyes❤️
For a small second when David seems to try to console Bruce, when you consider he's in tears after seeing his son transform into the Hulk for the first time, it seems that perhaps for a split second David is actually being sincere.
David even admitted to Betty that he did try to cure his son, but her father put a stop to it, so I think it is reasonable to assume that David, before he became obsessed with his son's power, actually did love his son at one time, same as he loved his wife.
4:15 that's funny
3:08
Bruce: "Stop!"
David: "Stop what!? Stop what?!"
STOP WHAT? STOP WHAT?
Stop It
Marvel fans: I love you Mcu but please can you make any Marvel movies without there stupid jokes
Mcu: 3:08
@@MAJIROD_EDITZ Marvel Fans: STOP WHAT! STOP WHAT!
One of the best scenes from an incredible (pun intended) superhero film. The emotional catharsis Ang Lee aimed for really did the comic book antihero justice. Hit the nail on the head. And the comic book type panes and editing were so amazing!
I watch this scene and have always had my anxiety driven up when I watched it as a kid. I watch it now as an adult and am reminded how and why it was so anxiety driving. Disney is really holding back the true potential of the Hulk property.
Prob because they’re trying to stay kid friendly. Imagine a Rated R Hulk movie..
This scene sums up the movie so well. Sparks of great acting and silliness mixed together.
I wouldn’t call this film silly.
I think it’s kinda cool when the antagonist and protagonist have a conversation instead of a fight after they discover the truth about each other because they have to learn more about each other and have a reason to try a rip each other ‘s heads off. At least the hero has to give the villain a last chance before the final battle. Marvel doesn’t often do that anymore they just learn about the villain and fight with no discussion about how the villain can change.