@@morriszachrisson8359 Doesn´t look exactly like Python but is quite similar to a Pyhon. Obviously the Python is more atractive, but not 2,000 dolars more attractive.
586-1 stared production in 1986. There was a recall in the no dash and dash one. If it has an M stamped near the model number it was sent back to smith and fixed. If not no big deal and makes it more collectible to some guys.
David Bliss Thank you for pointing that out and reminding me about when it was made. I think when I stated it was made in 79 I was confused with 29-2 nickel that I recently picked up as well. This one does not have the M stamp. I actually contacted Smith and Wesson and received the information and label to send it in but decided not to.
Mine a no dash came from the factory with the M stamp. It stands for modified apparently there were issues with the hammer so they fixed the ones that hadn't left the factory yet and stamped the M.
Steve Hoffman Thanks for watching. You are right about the finish on the older blued Smith And Wesson’s. Beautiful indeed. I also don’t mind the fact that I can shoot all day and never worry about burn marks on the cylinder.
Thanks for the video! I have pretty much every popular S&W model from the 70’a and 80’s - models 27,28,29,19,586,686,17,617,64, 60, etc and the best factory trigger is the one on a model 19-5 made in 88. Unbelievably smooth, 7.5 pounds DA, 2.5 pounds SA. A little better is on a model 28 with a trigger job, about half a pound lighter than the 19-5. I think the number of 19’s produced made S&W perfect them over the time...
Thank you so much for watching it. I really do have a thing for older Smith And Wesson’s but I’ve kind of run into a stumbling block when it comes to the acquisition of more of them. 21 years ago when my first daughter was born we started putting money away for their education. We had two more children and started putting money away for them too but now that the time has come to start spending it I need to put most other things on hold. It’s really not a bad thing because with the acquisition of each holy grail firearm comes a different, more expensive holy Grail. Here is a video of my model 19. Like yours, the trigger pull is absolutely outstanding. th-cam.com/video/m2eS9zFFjP8/w-d-xo.html
Same here - my 4 inch 19-5, also produced in 1988 has the same specs - 7 pounds DA and 2.5 pounds SA, butter smooth. My second best is a model 28-2 from the mid 70s that has had a trigger job - 8 pounds DA and 3 pounds SA. After those come a model 29-2, and so on. You are right that the model 19 was perfected by then given how many they had produced by then - repetition makes it perfect!
These are the times I wish I could do a 'double thumbs up'. Immaculate firearms, take good care of them - and enjoy shooting them, too! Thanks for sharing.
Pythons are absolutely beautiful, but spendy. I bought a no dash 586 with a triple K leather holster from my buddies boss for 700 canadian dollars, probably around 550 US or so at the time. Yeah I'd love a python but the smith is also an absolute beauty. I had it on my hip at the range the other day while I was shooting my 1951 winchester 94, felt nostalgic of an Era I wasn't even alive in. The elderly gentlemen shooting next to me complimented me on my choice of firearms. I replied "polymer and aluminum have their place, but blued steel and walnut will never go out of style"
I feel the exact same way. I’m at the point in my collecting when at the gun store nothing catches my eye until I get to the revolver or lever action section. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of competition grade 9 mm I have my eyes on but aesthetically speaking I much prefer classic guns
@@bripro68 To me a fine revolver is comparable to a steam locomotive. Powerful and alive and you can see them work. It's a thing of beauty. An auto loader is more comparable to a diesel electric locomotive. Not much personality. I like to see things live and breathe and move.
I have them both in 4" barrel. Alot of people don't notice that the 586 cilinder cycles to left and the Colt Python cycles to right. With out a doubt, great guns.
TN6565 Thanks for watching. There is something about a blued revolver, especially with factory wood grips. The 586 and 686 are just great guns. I’m still feel so lucky I stumbled upon this one. 586-1. I sought in a local shop when I was there looking for something else. A few weeks later I came to my senses and drove there saying to myself if it’s there it’s mine. I figured for sure it would be gone but I walked in and there it was.
Thanks for watching and sharing that. I was at my local shop today just checking things out and I saw a 19-3 that blew my mind. Normally I prefer factory grips but whatever this used revolver hat on them complemented it wonderfully. It’s not the best time for me to spend that type of money so I had to leave it for someone else.
Agreed. I have a 686-2 I bought brand new in 87. that pistol is a dream to shoot, One thing about the Python, Ya, it is a work of Art, many hours of fitting went into that pistol and it looks sexy as hell. However on the practical side, those pistols have very small parts, that is the reason they are so smooth and that comes with a cost, full magnum loadings in the python Can lead to breakage and timing issues, that is why people that shoot PPC don't use them, the Smith will outlast it and the Smith is elegant, durable and dynamic handling. Unlike a Ruger GP-100 which is like shooting a boat anchor for me. Good evaluation video dude. Nice Video. -Dave
Thor's Axe Thanks for watching. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I do have a GP 100 with some simple spring swaps and it’s like a whole different gun. Nowhere near the same level as the Python or Smith&Wesson but far better than stock.
@@seanmathews1826 I hear that. Is it funny how such a simple spring swap can make it feel like a whole different gun. Are you getting consistent firing though in both single and double action. I originally went to light on my GP 100 and it became unreliable in double action
@@bripro68 It still goes bang every time. I don't change the spring weight on the hammer spring because of what you are talking about. Only the trigger return springs. I have done it on a few Smiths and two Rugers. I use Wolff gun springs.
Cherish it. Growing up in New Jersey with a dad who worked in NYC guns weren’t passed down. I guess it’s up to me to start the trend. Here’s a link to my highway patrolman th-cam.com/video/UDWm5AKwWtU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching. I’ve just been popping videos up of some of my firearms I tend not to get too technical, that opens the door to be corrected anyway!! What a gift, a model 586 from father-in-law would be something I would value forever! I have three daughters, none of which are interested in my guns. Their future husband’s may become the lucky recipients of a few of them.
Arthur Morgan Thanks for watching. These are definitely two of mine as well. I was actually able to bring a GP100 up to their level as well with a few simple spring swaps. I do admit a soft spot for the Smith & Wesson model 29 though.
I have a 2020 python 586-8 classic and a 686-6 plus. I love the 586-8 classic a little more than the others because of the factort stocks that came with the gun. They feel much better in my hand. Also the bluing on is fantastic. All 3 perform the same
Roger that. I’ll go with it. I think someone else pointed that out. When I made this recording I’m pretty sure I just confused the dates with one of the other guns. You know your stuff, do you have similar revolvers?
@@bripro68 I stupidly sold my 6 in 686 no dash, Dan Wesson 44 mag and S&W 6 inch 29 years ago. But kept the 586 thank God and added the new 4.25 Python and I'm picking up a new 3 inch Python tonight at the gun shop I work at.
@@iceman5006 that’s sucks about the ones that got away but it’s awesome you’re rebuilding the wheel gun collection. I sold a DW model 15 complete kit for next to nothing over a decade ago. I’d love to get that back.
I got a used 1980s Python (6", Bright stainless, original grips) in about 2000 for $500 which would translate to about $900 in today's money. It's as tight as a tick and appears to have seen very little use.
bripro68 I’ve not had any experience with the python but from mine with the S&W and of course the great Jerry Miculek even says the trigger and handle of them he prefers. That thing hits whatever you look at. Still want a python though. They are the better looking. But I’m kind of wanting a 586 too.
Very nice 👍! My favorite is the 19 in classic blue with full wood square stock. All 3 are awesome. Which one groups best at 25 yards or even 50? Thank you for sharing you have a beautiful collection. and I'm totally with you send me automatic is too boring unless you're talkin 1911. Thanks
Thanks for watching, I do also have a very nice blued model 19 with 4 inch barrel and original stocks. That thing is a work of art as well. As far as these three go I would have to say I personally get the best groups from the Python. Not by much but they generally are a little tighter.
@@bripro68 Cool. Very nice mix. How does the model 19 4 vs 6 compare? I'm trying to decide what length I want. I will not be carrying it and it'll be for fun so I've been thinking 6? Thanks
Brian Lee This is a link to my 4 inch if you want to check it out. th-cam.com/video/m2eS9zFFjP8/w-d-xo.html The 4 inch has the smoothest trigger I’ve ever felt and a double action revolver. When shooting double action it’s very hard to beat but when I take slow intentional shots in single action mode I will say that I feel the 6 inch barrel will outperform the four on a regular basis. If I was only to have one revolver I think I would make it a 6 inch. With that said though my radar is still scanning the area for a model 29 with that 10 and five eights barrel.
Artty 1975 Believe me, with two of three kids in college and the third still to go I have thought about reducing my collection. Unless shtf really bad one day these two aren’t going anywhere. Thanks for watching.
I have a 586-3 and I did a trigger job on it and it's as a dream. Factory trigger weight was 14# and got it down to 71/2#, the single action is a hair trigger now. Much easier to shoot after the trigger job, follow up shoots are fast now in double action. Never a light strike.
- Fearfulpath2 - Thank you, they both truly are finally crafted revolvers. I would say fit and finish are slightly better on the Colt but not by far. Accuracy is spot on for both but overall feel, in my hands anyway, goes to the Smith and Wesson.
bripro68 I agree. The craftsmanship that went into the Pythons were just unmatched. I was lucky to get my Smith as old new stock and the action on it is really finely tuned and it never had a trigger job. Staging in DA is seamless and SA is crisp. It was definitely and lucky find.
- Fearfulpath2 - That was a lucky find indeed. Congratulations. I am planning to get a nickel Python someday but I would consider myself more of a Smith and Wesson guy than a Colt guy. About a year ago I had a real lucky streak where in the course of two or three months I found four of my grail guns. Two model 29-2s, a nickel 19-4 and this 586-1. Luckily I was in a position where I was able to buy all four which is somewhat unusual for me with two daughters in college. One of the more unpleasant feelings about collecting guns is stopping by a local shop for ammo or something small and seeing something you’ve been after but not being in the position to buy it. Out of the four Smith and Wesson’s I recently bought three were from local mom and pop shops while the fourth (the nickel 19) was my first acquisition from GB. This is a link to a video showing my 357’s and if you’re interested in seeing the 29’s I do have videos up as well. th-cam.com/video/_Zo2QWpzNm8/w-d-xo.html
bripro68 Nice My acquisition of my Python was all perfect timing too. It’s worth about $3500 but I didn’t pay anywhere near it. I got with a trade and bargained the price and got it for under $700. I think It was a real steal for me, and I would say it’s a good 96-98%.
Pythons out of there first batch had timing problems just like the Pythons of years ago. I know of a handful of cases where new S&W have had cracked forcing cones with a small round count. Me, I'm sticking with Ruger. Never had a problem out of any I have owned.
Thanks for watching. I thought about doing some spring swaps but then decided to leave it stock as I’m not sure exactly what role this will fit in my collection. I’ve gone too light in other guns and then they became unreliable.
I have a 586 4", no-dash, pre-lock that's better than any of the current S&W classic line ever hopes to be. I sold my Python for 1911A1 that I've been after for years. I didn't get heartburn after the sale. My gunsmith told me that parts are harder to find. If I were to damage the Python with full mag loads its likely that it could take months or longer to repair. If I shot .38 spl instead of magnums it would last longer. Not my idea of having a magnum.
I love hearing from people who appreciate the quality craftsmanship of an era gone by. The Smith and Wesson classic line is an utter disappointment if you ask me. TH-cam is filled with people pointing their “classic” magnums at the mirror and quoting Harry Callahan. I don’t usually laugh out loud but I come pretty close at some of them. There was also talk that the current production Python will bring the cost of our older ones down. Not a chance. Again, embarrassment. Thanks for watching
resolute123 Thanks for watching. It’s a dash one. I can’t watch the video right now to see what date I mentioned it was but another viewer pointed out I was off by a few years. I think I say it’s like a 79 but it’s really an 80 to 81. Something like that. Do you have on yourself? It’s a great revolver
Smith is better in every way even pre 2020 Pythons. The new Gen Pythons are beautiful and well fit. I have a 2020 6 inch Python and a 2022 Anaconda 6 inch. You pay for the name. The old Pythons would beat themselfs out of time and you really needed a Python smith to correct them. The new ones are far better but still not perfect. Heavy DA, rear sight fit loose, short cylinder length and the sight adjustment is comical. My Smith is smoother and lighter, great sights, won't beat itself out of time, cylinder spins the right way, cylinder release is push not pull and is a fraction of the cost. The Smith would be perfect except for the Hillary hole, but hey, the Python has UID rolled marked into it so there's that.
LetThatBassDrop Interesting question. The new Colt certainly is an eyecatcher but initial quality reports seem a little spotty. The newer Smith And Wessons seem to be a little spotty too so I’d really have to think long and hard with the specific examples in front of me but probably lean toward the Colt.
I wouldn't call $700-800 for a 686 versus $1500+ a "few hundred bucks". The new Colts are having lots of issues with not working at all. I can only find them on gunbroker right now too, listed by scalpers at $1700 or more. Plus Colt isn't making blued Pythons while S&W still makes the 586, which is also in the $700s. I wouldn't call the new Python a good deal personally because you can get a decked out Performance Center 686 for less than a Python that works better and is of at least as good quality.
Bob Strawn Perhaps. The only real benefit may be that there is less material removed around the firing pin hole on frame mounted firing pins. Mine still have hammer block safeties so there is no downside to hammer mounted pins. I prefer them.
Smith 19 held a 2" group at 50 meters on an ISU target. I have seen in 10 years time only once a Python in Australia (West). The owner was never among the medal winners. It is not the gun and you can't buy a gun which shoots bullseye's. You need to train and most guns don't let you down.
i aquired a python 6 inch some years back. had always heard this and that, and when it fell into my hands, i couldnt wait to try it. my mistake was taking my 4 inch 586 along. i shot them side by side, and the smith and wesson was three times the gun the python was. and i WANTED to like the python more. the smith was so much better it was undeniable. the 586 was called the "python killer" for a very good reason. doubt me? ask Jerry Miculak; he has a video out where he compares guns and gives his perspective. i agree with you. the 586 and 686 beat the pants off the python.
Thanks for watching. I agree that Smith And Wesson is far more durable. When I bought the Python I got it to shoot and it has actually performed very well. There’s days when I can’t miss with it but at the end of the day there’s just as many days when I can’t miss with the Smith And Wesson as well.
Pure opinion 69 was the last great year for pythons. Theres more to a gun than it going bang, feel and pride of ownership, etc. I personally have wanted a puthon and swore one day I would since I was about 15. 46 years ago. So, like anything else, my snake is worth plenty, but who in their right minds except a trader or despot even consider selling it? Heirloom item. Swiss watch or timex, both tell time really well.
I agree. From a shooting standpoint they both perform exceptionally well. They both feel great in the hand and they’re both lookers. I do have pride in ownership regarding the snake. It’s something I really wanted and many things had to line up just perfectly before I could make that happen. I just stumbled on the 586 but love owning it as well. The Python will be passed to family someday but for now I plan to enjoy the heck out of it.
keycontrol I do love owning a Python. I paid a good dollar for it but not quite current market prices. Knowing what I do about both the Python and the 586 I would tell people if they only have one 357 and it’s a 586 (or 686) they’re doing just fine. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I have some other videos up of different Smith And Wesson’s if you’re interested. A personal favorite are my 29-2s. I have videos of both up. Brian.
Val Chavez Thanks for watching, they are both great guns. When I have them out to the range everybody wants to ask about the Python. They definitely have the popularity but the Smith is every bit as solid.
I would personally go with the Python though admittedly I don't know that much about Smith & Wesson's. From what I heard they are good quality, though Colt's are generally seen as even better. (anyone have an opinion on this?). The Python is just so iconic and the prices have been climbing on them significantly though I do believe they started back up production which may drag it down a bit. I definitely prefer the blued models to the plated ones and given the thickness of these guns I would say 6 inches is the perfect length in both cases. There is a 586 for sale in my area that I am considering buying... like I said, I would go for the Python but it's like 3x as expensive if not more. Also love those wooden grips as opposed to the black 'tactical' ones.
If the 586 is priced right I would suggest you grab it. They are great guns, generally the older the better. As far as the new Pythons bringing down the price of the originals it didn’t happen. If anything they have had the opposite effect. The new ones got off to a very rocky start and that certainly didn’t do anything for Colts current reputation.
Ive had a lot of guns never had a python but picked one up and they are nice! I like my guns practical and strong! Neither of these guns offer that! That's why i have 3 blackhawks which are the strongest handgun money can buy! I reload also and if i want to push velocity with reloading i can! I would never use these 2 guns in this video! Infact in most reloading data books they never list the S&W or the Colt for hi pressure loads!
G Shock I have only two single action revolvers. One is a Super Blackhawk the other is a Virginian Dragoon 357. They make the 44 and 357 caliber feel like these two make a 38 feel.
An L-Frame Smith is a plenty strong gun. And more than practical. If someone was shooting back at me I'd want the ability to shoot fast and accurate a whole lot more than a single action whose bullets happen to be moving 200 ft/sec faster.
G shock, are you for real? Blind or just an idiot? Pythons and S&Ws whale on rugers, anybody with a clue of mechanical engineering understands this. Rugers are fine, but they are built just like a boat anchor, no need to reply, I know how you think, you've already shown everyone that.
Quick Dubbs Thanks for watching and thanks for the compliment. I think I prefer revolvers for looking at and for the range but for business I don’t think they compare to a reliable semi automatic.
@@bripro68 The Kimber Eclipse, is one of the 1911's I really like. Even more so than the new kimber black ice rapide! After looking @ your collection. I wished I had of kepted, some of the guns, I sold 🤔. Either calibur, .45 or 10mm the kimber eclipse, 👁 I want in my collection 💯%
My 586-1 has AUUxxxx serial number and was manufactured in 1985. Your BADxxxx is later than that. The 586 is a stronger and better version of the Python. Mines has 10's of 1000's of rounds and is still tight as a bank vault.
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en los estados los medios acusan la violencia de los perpetradores de nuestra capacidad de poseer armas como estas. En mi opinión, se trata de una crisis de salud mental, no de la disponibilidad de armas. Son máquinas hermosas pero en las manos equivocadas, como tantas otras cosas, muy peligrosas
I have a late model Smith 586, a Smith 19-4 and '69 blue 4 in Python. I'm too embarressed to say how much I paid for my Python. A total safe queen. Anyway the 586 looks great, shoots great. I love the wide hammer and trigger on the 19-4. The python is cool times a thousand. Looking for a nice nickel python a shooter. The new Colts don't have the flare of the old pythons.
Agreed but the new Colts are nothing compared to the old ones. Have you ever shot the four-inch python? My 6 inch is in flawless condition but I can’t not shoot it.
jimbo9357 I think if I had something like that in the safe I would be convinced to hear it calling my name when I’m laying in bed. Briproooooooo shoooooottttt mmmeeee!!
I think your paying for the Brand Colt as well as this Phython firearm. Brand is the history of the quality gun maker. Colt stopped production of the sexiest handgun ever made and it raised the price. Supply and demand. I also like the pull cylinder lock on the Colt over the Smith's push release when drawing from a holster. Please sell me your Phython since you don't think it's worth the money. LMAO!
I own a 686 no dash 6", 686-5 plus 4" and four Colt Pythons 4" and 6" both blued and nickel. I talked to a gentleman back in the 90's who worked at Colt making these revolvers . You have excellent craftsmanship with many man hours polishing parts to obtain that finish and action, something he was proud of. That quality is not found on any S&W revolver. The S&W company had a poor quality product during the Junta owned era. I find the Python more accurate than any Smith and Wesson revolver I own. The Python was used for decades in Law Enforcement and Competition shooting. The Python gained it's stellar reputation in the revolver world. The Python is still popular today, it was always a pricey revolver.
boostimalaka1 Thank you so much for taking the time to comment on my video. I know the topic is the same as apples to oranges and I absolutely welcome feedback and opinions from both sides. When I manually cock the hammer for single action shots the better accuracy is definitely with the Python as well.
Eric S I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying, are you referring to the guns themselves or my ability to make a video? Either way thanks for watching and feel free to clear it up.
Eric S No problem at all and thank you for clearing it up. These are indeed two great revolvers. Colt just introduced the updated Python but I’m still glad to own an original.
That’s a hard statement to disagree with. There’s so much talk of it not being a solid revolver that will hold up but I’m putting it to the test. As beautiful as it is, I don’t hesitate to push it.
@@bripro68 It is not solid regarding quality of function or materials (today we have much better revolvers), but it´s design is the most beautiful of all time.
@@morriszachrisson8359 I hear ya. So far it eats whatever I put through it. I don’t abuse it I just don’t baby it. It actually handles loads pretty well. I feel more recoil from a Smith and Wesson 28 highway patrolman that I do in the Colt.
586/686 all day long. Can do everything the Python can at a a fraction of the cost.
The only thing they can't do is to look like Python.
@@morriszachrisson8359 Doesn´t look exactly like Python but is quite similar to a Pyhon. Obviously the Python is more atractive, but not 2,000 dolars more attractive.
I have a 1982 586 6" nickle and I'll put it up against a Python any day.
@@raymondeaton5692 😆
they do more than a python can do. try firing a full box of 50 magnums as fast as you can without having your python lock up from the heat.
586-1 stared production in 1986. There was a recall in the no dash and dash one. If it has an M stamped near the model number it was sent back to smith and fixed. If not no big deal and makes it more collectible to some guys.
David Bliss Thank you for pointing that out and reminding me about when it was made. I think when I stated it was made in 79 I was confused with 29-2 nickel that I recently picked up as well. This one does not have the M stamp. I actually contacted Smith and Wesson and received the information and label to send it in but decided not to.
Mine a no dash came from the factory with the M stamp. It stands for modified apparently there were issues with the hammer so they fixed the ones that hadn't left the factory yet and stamped the M.
I think the top ribbing over the barrel really makes the Python more appealing to the non-revolver enthusiast.
Casey Flentye Thanks for looking. It definitely is a nice touch.
I have a 686 6" no dash but man, that 586 finish, tempting... Thanks for the video.
Steve Hoffman Thanks for watching. You are right about the finish on the older blued Smith And Wesson’s. Beautiful indeed. I also don’t mind the fact that I can shoot all day and never worry about burn marks on the cylinder.
Thanks for the video! I have pretty much every popular S&W model from the 70’a and 80’s - models 27,28,29,19,586,686,17,617,64, 60, etc and the best factory trigger is the one on a model 19-5 made in 88. Unbelievably smooth, 7.5 pounds DA, 2.5 pounds SA. A little better is on a model 28 with a trigger job, about half a pound lighter than the 19-5. I think the number of 19’s produced made S&W perfect them over the time...
Thank you so much for watching it. I really do have a thing for older Smith And Wesson’s but I’ve kind of run into a stumbling block when it comes to the acquisition of more of them.
21 years ago when my first daughter was born we started putting money away for their education. We had two more children and started putting money away for them too but now that the time has come to start spending it I need to put most other things on hold.
It’s really not a bad thing because with the acquisition of each holy grail firearm comes a different, more expensive holy Grail.
Here is a video of my model 19. Like yours, the trigger pull is absolutely outstanding.
th-cam.com/video/m2eS9zFFjP8/w-d-xo.html
Same here - my 4 inch 19-5, also produced in 1988 has the same specs - 7 pounds DA and 2.5 pounds SA, butter smooth. My second best is a model 28-2 from the mid 70s that has had a trigger job - 8 pounds DA and 3 pounds SA. After those come a model 29-2, and so on. You are right that the model 19 was perfected by then given how many they had produced by then - repetition makes it perfect!
These are the times I wish I could do a 'double thumbs up'. Immaculate firearms, take good care of them - and enjoy shooting them, too! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching. You bet they’re well taken care of!! I plan to pass them to my kids and hopefully so on and so on.
Pythons are absolutely beautiful, but spendy. I bought a no dash 586 with a triple K leather holster from my buddies boss for 700 canadian dollars, probably around 550 US or so at the time. Yeah I'd love a python but the smith is also an absolute beauty. I had it on my hip at the range the other day while I was shooting my 1951 winchester 94, felt nostalgic of an Era I wasn't even alive in. The elderly gentlemen shooting next to me complimented me on my choice of firearms. I replied "polymer and aluminum have their place, but blued steel and walnut will never go out of style"
I feel the exact same way. I’m at the point in my collecting when at the gun store nothing catches my eye until I get to the revolver or lever action section.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of competition grade 9 mm I have my eyes on but aesthetically speaking I much prefer classic guns
@@bripro68
To me a fine revolver is comparable to a steam locomotive. Powerful and alive and you can see them work. It's a thing of beauty. An auto loader is more comparable to a diesel electric locomotive. Not much personality. I like to see things live and breathe and move.
@@michaelboss7321 That indeed was a fine comparison.
I have them both in 4" barrel. Alot of people don't notice that the 586 cilinder cycles to left and the Colt Python cycles to right. With out a doubt, great guns.
If for some reason you could only keep one which do you think you would hold on to?
I have both to two of the best revolvers you can buy in America
I gotta get a blued revolver. I like my two stainless but I’m going for 586 tomorrow.
TN6565 Thanks for watching. There is something about a blued revolver, especially with factory wood grips.
The 586 and 686 are just great guns. I’m still feel so lucky I stumbled upon this one. 586-1. I sought in a local shop when I was there looking for something else. A few weeks later I came to my senses and drove there saying to myself if it’s there it’s mine. I figured for sure it would be gone but I walked in and there it was.
Nice vid!
I'm very happy with my '58 Colt.
Boy! Such a beauty.
I almost got a 57 Python but it seemed too god to be true. I hesitated and someone beat me to it. Turns out it was a legit deal.
Both beautiful but my favorite smith wesson
Thanks for watching and sharing that. I was at my local shop today just checking things out and I saw a 19-3 that blew my mind. Normally I prefer factory grips but whatever this used revolver hat on them complemented it wonderfully. It’s not the best time for me to spend that type of money so I had to leave it for someone else.
Agreed. I have a 686-2 I bought brand new in 87. that pistol is a dream to shoot, One thing about the Python, Ya, it is a work of Art, many hours of fitting went into that pistol and it looks sexy as hell. However on the practical side, those pistols have very small parts, that is the reason they are so smooth and that comes with a cost, full magnum loadings in the python Can lead to breakage and timing issues, that is why people that shoot PPC don't use them, the Smith will outlast it and the Smith is elegant, durable and dynamic handling. Unlike a Ruger GP-100 which is like shooting a boat anchor for me. Good evaluation video dude. Nice Video. -Dave
Thor's Axe Thanks for watching. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I do have a GP 100 with some simple spring swaps and it’s like a whole different gun. Nowhere near the same level as the Python or Smith&Wesson but far better than stock.
@@bripro68 I swapped out the trigger return spring on my Ruger SP101. It now has a trigger pull that rivals a Kimber K6S .
@@seanmathews1826 I hear that. Is it funny how such a simple spring swap can make it feel like a whole different gun. Are you getting consistent firing though in both single and double action. I originally went to light on my GP 100 and it became unreliable in double action
@@bripro68 It still goes bang every time. I don't change the spring weight on the hammer spring because of what you are talking about. Only the trigger return springs. I have done it on a few Smiths and two Rugers.
I use Wolff gun springs.
I inherited a Highway Patrolman from my Dad ( Rest his soul) and with the exception of a little holster wear, it's a DREAM.
Cherish it. Growing up in New Jersey with a dad who worked in NYC guns weren’t passed down. I guess it’s up to me to start the trend.
Here’s a link to my highway patrolman th-cam.com/video/UDWm5AKwWtU/w-d-xo.html
Just found your channel........very interesting.....just gave my son-in-law my 586 for Christmas....still have my 620......just subbed
Thanks for watching. I’ve just been popping videos up of some of my firearms I tend not to get too technical, that opens the door to be corrected anyway!!
What a gift, a model 586 from father-in-law would be something I would value forever!
I have three daughters, none of which are interested in my guns. Their future husband’s may become the lucky recipients of a few of them.
Two of my very favorite pistols.
Arthur Morgan Thanks for watching. These are definitely two of mine as well. I was actually able to bring a GP100 up to their level as well with a few simple spring swaps. I do admit a soft spot for the Smith & Wesson model 29 though.
👍 Awesome 357s! I would be thrilled to own either one.
They are out there. I heard they are turning at shops as people trade them in toward high cap stuff. I’m glad I got mine before this craziness though.
I love the older revolvers. I am considering buying a new 686+ with a five inch barrel to compliment my S&W 629 Classic 44 magnum 5”.
@@marcallen7233 that would be a great addition!
Nice collection!
Thanks for watching. I am very fond of the older ones!
Beautiful hardware!!!
Thank you. Are you a collector of Smith And Wesson’s or Colt yourself
@@bripro68 No, I have a 686-3 that I bought brand new in 1989..home defense gun..still like new, shot less than 50 rounds.
I have a 2020 python 586-8 classic and a 686-6 plus.
I love the 586-8 classic a little more than the others because of the factort stocks that came with the gun. They feel much better in my hand. Also the bluing on is fantastic. All 3 perform the same
They started making the 586 in 1981. So that can't have been made in 1978-79.
Roger that. I’ll go with it. I think someone else pointed that out. When I made this recording I’m pretty sure I just confused the dates with one of the other guns.
You know your stuff, do you have similar revolvers?
@@bripro68 I stupidly sold my 6 in 686 no dash, Dan Wesson 44 mag and S&W 6 inch 29 years ago. But kept the 586 thank God and added the new 4.25 Python and I'm picking up a new 3 inch Python tonight at the gun shop I work at.
@@iceman5006 that’s sucks about the ones that got away but it’s awesome you’re rebuilding the wheel gun collection. I sold a DW model 15 complete kit for next to nothing over a decade ago. I’d love to get that back.
I had the first 586 to come to town here, and it was 1981.....
Nice. How was it?
I got a used 1980s Python (6", Bright stainless, original grips) in about 2000 for $500 which would translate to about $900 in today's money. It's as tight as a tick and appears to have seen very little use.
That was still a great price in 2000 and certainly what it translates to now.
‘Back before the dark times, before the empire!’
Old Smith owner
Thanks for watching.
The 586 began production in 1980. I have a 586 that was manuf in 1985. The 586-1 began production in 1986. They are awesome revolvers!
I agree. I realize I miss spoke in the video and put it in the description. Thanks for watching.
Dude those grips on the 586 are just delicious. Almost the same as my 19’s but a little darker. Me likes
They are in great shape. I’m glad to hear from someone who appreciates them.
For all the hype that comes with the Pythons I may prefer the 586.
bripro68 I’ve not had any experience with the python but from mine with the S&W and of course the great Jerry Miculek even says the trigger and handle of them he prefers. That thing hits whatever you look at. Still want a python though. They are the better looking. But I’m kind of wanting a 586 too.
@@nikdrown I know the feeling. I wasn’t going to rest until I got a Python. As a matter of fact I found this 586 while snake hunting.
Very nice 👍! My favorite is the 19 in classic blue with full wood square stock. All 3 are awesome. Which one groups best at 25 yards or even 50? Thank you for sharing you have a beautiful collection. and I'm totally with you send me automatic is too boring unless you're talkin 1911. Thanks
Thanks for watching, I do also have a very nice blued model 19 with 4 inch barrel and original stocks. That thing is a work of art as well. As far as these three go I would have to say I personally get the best groups from the Python. Not by much but they generally are a little tighter.
@@bripro68 Cool. Very nice mix. How does the model 19 4 vs 6 compare? I'm trying to decide what length I want. I will not be carrying it and it'll be for fun so I've been thinking 6? Thanks
Brian Lee This is a link to my 4 inch if you want to check it out. th-cam.com/video/m2eS9zFFjP8/w-d-xo.html The 4 inch has the smoothest trigger I’ve ever felt and a double action revolver. When shooting double action it’s very hard to beat but when I take slow intentional shots in single action mode I will say that I feel the 6 inch barrel will outperform the four on a regular basis.
If I was only to have one revolver I think I would make it a 6 inch. With that said though my radar is still scanning the area for a model 29 with that 10 and five eights barrel.
How much you want for them?
Artty 1975 Believe me, with two of three kids in college and the third still to go I have thought about reducing my collection. Unless shtf really bad one day these two aren’t going anywhere.
Thanks for watching.
I have a 586-3 and I did a trigger job on it and it's as a dream. Factory trigger weight was 14# and got it down to 71/2#, the single action is a hair trigger now. Much easier to shoot after the trigger job, follow up shoots are fast now in double action. Never a light strike.
I prefer hammer mounted firing pin
Me too actually.
Very nice pieces 👍. I own both a 686-4 plus 6” made in 96 I think, and an E-nick 82 Python 6.” They both shoot like a dream.
- Fearfulpath2 - Thank you, they both truly are finally crafted revolvers. I would say fit and finish are slightly better on the Colt but not by far. Accuracy is spot on for both but overall feel, in my hands anyway, goes to the Smith and Wesson.
bripro68 I agree. The craftsmanship that went into the Pythons were just unmatched. I was lucky to get my Smith as old new stock and the action on it is really finely tuned and it never had a trigger job. Staging in DA is seamless and SA is crisp. It was definitely and lucky find.
- Fearfulpath2 - That was a lucky find indeed. Congratulations. I am planning to get a nickel Python someday but I would consider myself more of a Smith and Wesson guy than a Colt guy. About a year ago I had a real lucky streak where in the course of two or three months I found four of my grail guns. Two model 29-2s, a nickel 19-4 and this 586-1. Luckily I was in a position where I was able to buy all four which is somewhat unusual for me with two daughters in college.
One of the more unpleasant feelings about collecting guns is stopping by a local shop for ammo or something small and seeing something you’ve been after but not being in the position to buy it. Out of the four Smith and Wesson’s I recently bought three were from local mom and pop shops while the fourth (the nickel 19) was my first acquisition from GB.
This is a link to a video showing my 357’s and if you’re interested in seeing the 29’s I do have videos up as well.
th-cam.com/video/_Zo2QWpzNm8/w-d-xo.html
bripro68 Nice
My acquisition of my Python was all perfect timing too. It’s worth about $3500 but I didn’t pay anywhere near it. I got with a trade and bargained the price and got it for under $700. I think It was a real steal for me, and I would say it’s a good 96-98%.
bripro68 Also too, I do remember stumbling across that video link a few weeks ago. Those are some really solid pieces. I’m a little jealous 🤣
Pythons out of there first batch had timing problems just like the Pythons of years ago. I know of a handful of cases where new S&W have had cracked forcing cones with a small round count. Me, I'm sticking with Ruger. Never had a problem out of any I have owned.
586 is an excellent shooter just install Jerry McCullec trigger springs polished some parts and you will enjoy a reduce trigger pull weight
Thanks for watching. I thought about doing some spring swaps but then decided to leave it stock as I’m not sure exactly what role this will fit in my collection.
I’ve gone too light in other guns and then they became unreliable.
I have a 586 4", no-dash, pre-lock that's better than any of the current S&W classic line ever hopes to be.
I sold my Python for 1911A1 that I've been after for years. I didn't get heartburn after the sale. My gunsmith told me that parts are harder to find. If I were to damage the Python with full mag loads its likely that it could take months or longer to repair.
If I shot .38 spl instead of magnums it would last longer. Not my idea of having a magnum.
I love hearing from people who appreciate the quality craftsmanship of an era gone by. The Smith and Wesson classic line is an utter disappointment if you ask me. TH-cam is filled with people pointing their “classic” magnums at the mirror and quoting Harry Callahan. I don’t usually laugh out loud but I come pretty close at some of them.
There was also talk that the current production Python will bring the cost of our older ones down. Not a chance. Again, embarrassment. Thanks for watching
Is your 586 no dash?
resolute123 Thanks for watching. It’s a dash one.
I can’t watch the video right now to see what date I mentioned it was but another viewer pointed out I was off by a few years. I think I say it’s like a 79 but it’s really an 80 to 81. Something like that. Do you have on yourself? It’s a great revolver
Smith is better in every way even pre 2020 Pythons. The new Gen Pythons are beautiful and well fit. I have a 2020 6 inch Python and a 2022 Anaconda 6 inch. You pay for the name. The old Pythons would beat themselfs out of time and you really needed a Python smith to correct them. The new ones are far better but still not perfect. Heavy DA, rear sight fit loose, short cylinder length and the sight adjustment is comical. My Smith is smoother and lighter, great sights, won't beat itself out of time, cylinder spins the right way, cylinder release is push not pull and is a fraction of the cost. The Smith would be perfect except for the Hillary hole, but hey, the Python has UID rolled marked into it so there's that.
I’m an S&W fan. I’ve had a bad taste for Colts for 5-6 decades. It’s a business thing. 🤠
DOBERMAN PAC I heard that. You can’t go wrong with an old Smith And Wesson
Now that the 2020 Python is out and can be had for a few hundred bucks more than the 686, which would you go with?
LetThatBassDrop Interesting question. The new Colt certainly is an eyecatcher but initial quality reports seem a little spotty. The newer Smith And Wessons seem to be a little spotty too so I’d really have to think long and hard with the specific examples in front of me but probably lean toward the Colt.
I wouldn't call $700-800 for a 686 versus $1500+ a "few hundred bucks". The new Colts are having lots of issues with not working at all. I can only find them on gunbroker right now too, listed by scalpers at $1700 or more. Plus Colt isn't making blued Pythons while S&W still makes the 586, which is also in the $700s. I wouldn't call the new Python a good deal personally because you can get a decked out Performance Center 686 for less than a Python that works better and is of at least as good quality.
Those old Smiths have firing pins!
Bob Strawn yes they do!
Well I thought firing pins on revolvers were out dated. Transfer bars in the MODERN world
Bob Strawn Perhaps. The only real benefit may be that there is less material removed around the firing pin hole on frame mounted firing pins. Mine still have hammer block safeties so there is no downside to hammer mounted pins. I prefer them.
Smith 19 held a 2" group at 50 meters on an ISU target. I have seen in 10 years time only once a Python in Australia (West). The owner was never among the medal winners. It is not the gun and you can't buy a gun which shoots bullseye's. You need to train and most guns don't let you down.
No doubt. I hate seeing average to subpar shooters blaming the gun for their lack of ability
The 586 came out in 1980
I’ll buy that.
1981 was the first year for the 586.
I’m sure you are correct about that. Another viewer stated that mine was more likely built in 85 or 86.
i aquired a python 6 inch some years back. had always heard this and that, and when it fell into my hands, i couldnt wait to try it. my mistake was taking my 4 inch 586 along. i shot them side by side, and the smith and wesson was three times the gun the python was. and i WANTED to like the python more. the smith was so much better it was undeniable.
the 586 was called the "python killer" for a very good reason. doubt me? ask Jerry Miculak; he has a video out where he compares guns and gives his perspective.
i agree with you. the 586 and 686 beat the pants off the python.
No comparison there, Smith wins every time. Python is over rated a nice gun but only a safe queen. Now the Smith is a gun you can take out and shoot.
Thanks for watching. I agree that Smith And Wesson is far more durable. When I bought the Python I got it to shoot and it has actually performed very well. There’s days when I can’t miss with it but at the end of the day there’s just as many days when I can’t miss with the Smith And Wesson as well.
Pure opinion 69 was the last great year for pythons. Theres more to a gun than it going bang, feel and pride of ownership, etc. I personally have wanted a puthon and swore one day I would since I was about 15. 46 years ago. So, like anything else, my snake is worth plenty, but who in their right minds except a trader or despot even consider selling it? Heirloom item. Swiss watch or timex, both tell time really well.
I agree. From a shooting standpoint they both perform exceptionally well. They both feel great in the hand and they’re both lookers. I do have pride in ownership regarding the snake. It’s something I really wanted and many things had to line up just perfectly before I could make that happen. I just stumbled on the 586 but love owning it as well.
The Python will be passed to family someday but for now I plan to enjoy the heck out of it.
The smoothness of the Python makes it a superior production handgun, but thousands more? Maybe for the purist collector.
keycontrol I do love owning a Python. I paid a good dollar for it but not quite current market prices.
Knowing what I do about both the Python and the 586 I would tell people if they only have one 357 and it’s a 586 (or 686) they’re doing just fine.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I have some other videos up of different Smith And Wesson’s if you’re interested. A personal favorite are my 29-2s. I have videos of both up. Brian.
Pure and simple......NICE ARSENAL......
Val Chavez Thanks for watching, they are both great guns. When I have them out to the range everybody wants to ask about the Python. They definitely have the popularity but the Smith is every bit as solid.
@@bripro68 Thanks....get back to you and let you know which I bought....Shoot 'em Up.....🔫
I would personally go with the Python though admittedly I don't know that much about Smith & Wesson's. From what I heard they are good quality, though Colt's are generally seen as even better. (anyone have an opinion on this?). The Python is just so iconic and the prices have been climbing on them significantly though I do believe they started back up production which may drag it down a bit. I definitely prefer the blued models to the plated ones and given the thickness of these guns I would say 6 inches is the perfect length in both cases. There is a 586 for sale in my area that I am considering buying... like I said, I would go for the Python but it's like 3x as expensive if not more. Also love those wooden grips as opposed to the black 'tactical' ones.
If the 586 is priced right I would suggest you grab it. They are great guns, generally the older the better. As far as the new Pythons bringing down the price of the originals it didn’t happen. If anything they have had the opposite effect. The new ones got off to a very rocky start and that certainly didn’t do anything for Colts current reputation.
Ive had a lot of guns never had a python but picked one up and they are nice! I like my guns practical and strong! Neither of these guns offer that! That's why i have 3 blackhawks which are the strongest handgun money can buy! I reload also and if i want to push velocity with reloading i can! I would never use these 2 guns in this video! Infact in most reloading data books they never list the S&W or the Colt for hi pressure loads!
G Shock I have only two single action revolvers. One is a Super Blackhawk the other is a Virginian Dragoon 357. They make the 44 and 357 caliber feel like these two make a 38 feel.
An L-Frame Smith is a plenty strong gun. And more than practical. If someone was shooting back at me I'd want the ability to shoot fast and accurate a whole lot more than a single action whose bullets happen to be moving 200 ft/sec faster.
G shock, are you for real? Blind or just an idiot? Pythons and S&Ws whale on rugers, anybody with a clue of mechanical engineering understands this. Rugers are fine, but they are built just like a boat anchor, no need to reply, I know how you think, you've already shown everyone that.
U have sum beautiful guns, like Eric 💯
Quick Dubbs Thanks for watching and thanks for the compliment. I think I prefer revolvers for looking at and for the range but for business I don’t think they compare to a reliable semi automatic.
@@bripro68 The Kimber Eclipse, is one of the 1911's I really like. Even more so than the new kimber black ice rapide! After looking @ your collection. I wished I had of kepted, some of the guns, I sold 🤔. Either calibur, .45 or 10mm the kimber eclipse, 👁 I want in my collection 💯%
Quick Dubbs I just checked out the black ice. That thing is sweet. That in 10 mm tho.....damn
@@bripro68 I would like 2 shoot it in 10mm! Style, wise it is sleek.
Very Nice!
Due opere d'arte ❤
My 586-1 has AUUxxxx serial number and was manufactured in 1985. Your BADxxxx is later than that. The 586 is a stronger and better version of the Python. Mines has 10's of 1000's of rounds and is still tight as a bank vault.
That’s great to hear. They are great guns.
I'll take the Colt!
neogeoriffic Thanks for watching. It really is a beautiful revolver. Extremely accurate as well.
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en los estados los medios acusan la violencia de los perpetradores de nuestra capacidad de poseer armas como estas. En mi opinión, se trata de una crisis de salud mental, no de la disponibilidad de armas. Son máquinas hermosas pero en las manos equivocadas, como tantas otras cosas, muy peligrosas
I have a late model Smith 586, a Smith 19-4 and '69 blue 4 in Python. I'm too embarressed to say how much I paid for my Python. A total safe queen. Anyway the 586 looks great, shoots great. I love the wide hammer and trigger on the 19-4. The python is cool times a thousand. Looking for a nice nickel python a shooter. The new Colts don't have the flare of the old pythons.
Agreed but the new Colts are nothing compared to the old ones. Have you ever shot the four-inch python? My 6 inch is in flawless condition but I can’t not shoot it.
@@bripro68 no haven't shot my Python yet like new very faint turn line. I guess sooner or later I'll run some 38s through it.
jimbo9357 I think if I had something like that in the safe I would be convinced to hear it calling my name when I’m laying in bed. Briproooooooo shoooooottttt mmmeeee!!
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The BEST double-action revolvers in the world (and the most copied) were always Smith & Wesson's. And still are the best.
Alberto Jorge Soares I cannot argue with that point. Companies like Taurus Brazil have been borrowing their designs for a long time.
@@bripro68 And Rossi (Brazilian), and Llama and Astra (both Spanish).
Brasileiro aqui?
@@perrywithcigar217 Sou português.
@@AlbertoJorgeSoares DEVOLVAM NOSSO OURO SEUS DESGRAÇADOS
Smith all the way!
Good choice.
I have to be honest with you and say I have a new found appreciation for Ruger’s too.
What’s your thought on them?
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I think your paying for the Brand Colt as well as this Phython firearm. Brand is the history of the quality gun maker. Colt stopped production of the sexiest handgun ever made and it raised the price. Supply and demand. I also like the pull cylinder lock on the Colt over the Smith's push release when drawing from a holster. Please sell me your Phython since you don't think it's worth the money. LMAO!
Thanks for watching. The Pythons not going anywhere! I love having it in the collection I just don’t think it’s worth the hype.
@@bripro68 thanks for sharing. Sweeet! collection.
I own a 686 no dash 6", 686-5 plus 4" and four Colt Pythons 4" and 6" both blued and nickel.
I talked to a gentleman back in the 90's who worked at Colt making these revolvers . You have excellent craftsmanship with many man hours polishing parts to obtain that finish and action, something he was proud of. That quality is not found on any S&W revolver. The S&W company had a poor quality product during the Junta owned era.
I find the Python more accurate than any Smith and Wesson revolver I own. The Python was used for decades in Law Enforcement and Competition shooting. The Python gained it's stellar reputation in the revolver world. The Python is still popular today, it was always a pricey revolver.
boostimalaka1 Thank you so much for taking the time to comment on my video. I know the topic is the same as apples to oranges and I absolutely welcome feedback and opinions from both sides. When I manually cock the hammer for single action shots the better accuracy is definitely with the Python as well.
At $125+tax for a Colt Python in 1966, that was pricey. Not too many guys used them to crack walnuts.
This should have been your test video. Spielberg would be cringing.
Eric S I’m not sure exactly what you’re saying, are you referring to the guns themselves or my ability to make a video? Either way thanks for watching and feel free to clear it up.
The guns were great. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my criticism. Apologies.
Eric S No problem at all and thank you for clearing it up. These are indeed two great revolvers. Colt just introduced the updated Python but I’m still glad to own an original.
Python is the most beautiful not only revolver but firearm ever produced in the world.
That’s a hard statement to disagree with. There’s so much talk of it not being a solid revolver that will hold up but I’m putting it to the test. As beautiful as it is, I don’t hesitate to push it.
@@bripro68 It is not solid regarding quality of function or materials (today we have much better revolvers), but it´s design is the most beautiful of all time.
@@morriszachrisson8359 I hear ya. So far it eats whatever I put through it. I don’t abuse it I just don’t baby it. It actually handles loads pretty well. I feel more recoil from a Smith and Wesson 28 highway patrolman that I do in the Colt.