The Pitiful Downfall of PIXAR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2023
- I, Doktor Skipper. Talk Disney Pixar and their recent box office bombs such as Lightyear, Elemental, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, and many more while also talking about Disney Pixar's other classic films such as Toy Story, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Cars, Ratatouille, Wall E, Up, The Incredibles, Inside Out, Coco, and many others. This Video is discussing how Disney Pixar has failed to keep up with other innovative films such as Puss N Boots The Last Wish, Spiderman Across The Spiderverse, Mutant Mayhem, and many more.
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What is your favorite Pixar film?
The modern warfare 2 2022 part 2 is my favorite
The back 4 blood should be left 4 dead 2 is my all time favorite
Monsters Univeristy
mines probably the downfall of red vs blue personally
Joe Biden the Untold Story.
I feel like Pixar won't change their business model until the situation gets so bad that even the sequels are losing money.
They will if they suck. I have no interest in watching a sequel to inside out, i feel they are just going to ruin the legacy of the first one
I think Lightyear was good enough proof of that. Sure, it's not technically a sequel, but it is of the Toy Story brand so it might as well be. If a freaking Toy Story movie can't turn a profit, do you expect an Inside Out film to?
I doubt its even Pixar that really has the say in this. If anything it seems like its executives further up the chain at Disney that are the deciding factor, and those people are likely not even in touch with any animators, storywriters, or anyone even involved with the process of making animation. The only things they see are spreadsheets with dollarsigns on them, wanting the highest yield for their investment (and failing because art isn't to be manufactured). Even the highest leader up in Pixar, is likely powerless to the big suits within Disney who only use Pixar as a sweatshop for what THEY want, while the Pixar teams likely have very little power or freedom to decide anything themselves.
Again its the big people up in Disney that holds the access to the finances, and they likely won't give Pixar the funding they want if they can't prove they'll be making something that'll earn it back. And the higher ups only want more of what made them their highest profits, aka realistic graphic sequels that are uncontroversial.
@benraven9087 That's a good observation, Ben. However, the studio execs do not think like an average consumer and they'll probably come up with some out-of-touch excuse like "audiences were confused that Lightyear didn't take place in the same universe as Toy Story" or "The audiences wanted a more direct sequel to Toy Story." Neither of these is true and you'll find that people didn't watch Lightyear specifically because Lightyear was a bad film and not enough people thought it would be good enough to watch on opening weekend.
It is shocking how much Disney will deny how poorly thought-out these films are and tell themselves (and their investors) they're masterpieces. This way of saving face for the stockholders, ironically, causes them to go further into a downward spiral because they can't admit that their wrong.
And Let's be frank here, admitting that you made a mistake is one of the hardest things you can do. Something I doubt the current management of Disney has the capacity to due.
I feel bad for Pixar. I love their classic movies, but seeing them struggle because of greedy Disney makes it even worse.
Disney is not to blame for Pixar falling off
@@KindlyUmbreonit is they ruin Marvel and Star Wars.
@@KeybladeMaster64you got a point
@@KindlyUmbreonDisney is to blame for literally every failure in Hollywood. Every bad practice that a studio does these days is them following Disney’s example, which is why I say now that every movie today is a Disney movie even when it’s not a Disney movie.
@@Arthus850as a star wars fan i agree
Disney went from the "it's not just for kids" to "it's not even good enough for kids"
Actively *bad* for kids, between the leftist agitprop and flat out imbecilic writing.
Best comment I've ever seen on this topic, by far.
Sad and true
Studio ghibli definitely should be a part of this conversation. It’s rare an animation studio from Asia can make this kind of impact on the western world. But love your video non the less, I appreciate your respectfulness and understanding.
Very real
Nigga that’s Anime lmaooo this video is about western animation studios
@@dr.chidori96Shit still animation blud and had equal impact
Emotional Damage!
Here early
And only
19 likes?
The fact that we are living in a day and age where DreamWorks, Illumination, and Sony are all kicking Disney’s and even Pixar’s ass in the box office at the same time is still mind blowing…
That isn't even close to being the case.
I love it so much. It’s about time we have some quality over quantity and enough of these big budget movies with ZERO creativity which leaves you with a lackluster and not remember movie whatsoever.
@@user-mg5dq6nr7eit is, the last 4 Disney/Pixar movies were flops namely:
-Elemental;
-Strange World;
-Turning Red;
-LightYear.
All of them cost 150-300Milion and all of them flopped hard.
While from DreamWorks, Sony and Ilumination we got:
-Spider Man Into the spider Verse, which revolutionized the genre costing under 100M.
-Puss in Boots which was amazing and very stylistic and was a successful movie.
-Super Mario Bros. Which while not stylistic or very artistic was a breath of fresh air from Ilumination and is one of the biggest Animation box offices ever only behind colossus like Frozen.
So yes, they are all beating Disney Pixar.
@@demontferratDidn’t Avatar 2 make over 2 billion?
@@djhjh9686 Avatar isn’t Disney Pixar or Disney Animation, it’s a Fox Live Action.
Fun fact. A lot of the pixar movies from the innovation era was created in ONE evening
One day, when some of the founders of pixar were having lunch they thought they’d need amazing stories. So they would all pitch ideas for stories and draw rough sketches on the table. They would come up with the stories for wall-e, finding nemo, etc.
That lunch break created 2 billion dollars for them
It's crazy to think that all great creations started from nothing but an idea somebody had in their head, before it materialized into something real
incorrect, the laborers who drew, wrote, and animated those movies created 2 billion dollars for the company. Ideas aren't something you can sell.
@@isaacgame7304 They most certainly are something you can sell and it's been done plenty of times before.
@@isaacgame7304ideas are definitely something you can sell
@@isaacgame7304selling ideas is literally what a pitch meeting is
My brother told me about spider verse and how incredible it was, I didn't believe him.
A month after he told me I had time to sit and watch it, I was blown away.
Puss in boots 2 was unbelievable as well, I went in expecting to laugh at it but ended up really enjoying it, that movie had style and you can tell people enjoyed making it.
tbf i did laugh at it too, it had some good funny moments
its one of my fav movies now
I didn’t care for spider-verse….. but the animation was insane I felt a bit distracted at times
The last wish was pretty good. I loved the story. However, I didn't really like how it becomes choppy during fight scenes. I know it's a style but I find it to be pretty jarring
@@mergat2970 it will be fine. Just next time.
*DreamWorks
I know people don't want to acknowledge that Pixar was John Lasseter. He's why their movies worked and he was the formula. When he was made head of Disney Animation he spear headed some of Disney's most successful animated movies (Frozen, Zootopia, etc). Right now it seems like Pixar is on auto-mode trying to recapture what they once had but without knowing how to execute it properly.
Interesting, John also had a close relationship with Hiyao Myazaki and Isao Takahata. It absolutely shows during the innovation era.
@@magiclover9346 dudes had similar mind sets and grew up in eras were animation was lacking and glorified commercials or plot of the week nothimgs. Now we're in that era again. You can love tmnt and spiderverse all you want but there trendy commercials for franchises. Pixar wouldve just been a buzz to be apart of back in the day as it was always limited to what they could do with each film. Can't animate humans to rich a enough level? Make movies about ants and toys to hide the limitations. Having trouble creating realistic clothing to show for majority of the film? Make them wear elastic hero suits. Need to up your lighting game? Make a project based around a tiny rat and large humans so you can develop your lighting. By toy story 3 they had kind of perfected a good looking and ageless 3d films. After that it was just refining everything. So when youve got everything at your disposal... What then?
Soul is a masterpiece and he wasn’t involved
@@staringcorgi6475 I said successful. Soul didn't even get released in theaters if I remember correctly. PIXAR used to dominate the box office. Now they've had flop after flop. Soul is great, but great doesn't translate to commercial success.
There was no way Pixar was going to survive unceremoniously dumping John Lasseter but I'd also add that Pixar probably even lost a bit of it's soul way back when story artist Joe Ranft died.
Something to keep in mind about Across the Spiderverse's high employment rate is that over 100 animators had to leave during production due to unsustainable working conditions. It's a shame because they could've slowed down production to keep people happy and healthy and still make bank.
They will either sweatshop the artists to death or lay them off as soon as the production wraps. They will never slow down production and give them a steady condition to work, that's how modern slavery works.
@@Youcican The time wasn't the source of the problems. It was the directors who kept changing their mind.
Imagine you're a car painter at an auto body shop and you just finished a paint job on a car. Your boss comes in and tells you to do it all again but this time use a different tint of blue.
THAT'S what was happening. No amount of pushing it back is going to fix that, it'll just inflate the budget instead.
@@Shockgueygreat analogy 👍
@@ShockgueyDAMNN😭
@@sammyjpeg8322it's true they kept changing some character designs. Some merch doesn't match them in the movie.
Spider-verse was SUCH a wake-up call to the animation industry, I genuinely have no idea how Disney/Pixar haven't woken up and smelled their burning toast yet
I am so thankful for Spider-Verse, without it I don't think we'd be getting the "animation renaissance" we're currently experiencing. First time in years I'm genuienly passionate about going to the cinemas, before it was just Marvel and Disney because of FOMO.
No, they're already "woke" up. If you catch my drift.
@@gameredan It's too insignificant to care. Legit 1 frame of a trans flag to pander to gender confused kids when it had nothing to do with Gwen as a character.
@gameredan your a racist do you know that the wo word is used for reacesual slurs
@@jaylet8208I dont fuck with gender confused kids.
I personally like Luca, it's not groundbreaking or anything like that, it's just a simple movie that is just there for you to have a good time and relax a little bit. I also like the art style, it's cartoony without going too far to be annoying like turning red or the boss baby
I think it was the last good Pixar movie
Well not rlly the case for me cuz it too basic and got no emotions seeing it
It do look good tho
@@thayki6260 what do you mean it has no emotions, the movie is so heartwarming and the characters are so sweet to watch >:(((((((
But as mentioned, still has no reason to cost 150M, Captain Underpants had a budget of 35M and look what they did with it.
@@ShallotHare yeah, but that shouldn’t stop someone from enjoying a heartwarming movie
I feel old. This guy is actually 2 years younger than I and he narrates like a wise man who writes a good script to do videos.
How old is he?
@@daikonyum368822 ish
Puss in Boots didnt revive Dreamworks, because it was never dead. Dreamworks always expreimented with different styles and demographics and stuff, the reason people saw Dreamworks as struggling creatively was because they where focusing on younger audiences for a few years. You just cant compare that to Pixar and the great milking
You can't accuse Pixar of milking things but not Dreamworks when prior to Bad Guys, Dreamworks 5 of their last 6 films were sequels, only one of which felt like a genuine effort was put into it (How to Train Your Dragon 3).
Also, Dreamworks' new film, Ruby Gillman: Teenage Kraken, just put Pixar's struggles into perspective. It just opened to half of what Elemental made in its THIRD weekend. That shows A) just how hard it is for original animated films not based off of a familiar brand (Shrek, Mario, Spiderman) to succeed and b) Pixar's name still carries a weight that none of the other animation studios can match. Their worst performing film is going to make more that all but one of Dreamworks' last five films (Last Wish)
Speaking of DreamWorks
Where's Kung Fu panda 4 at ????
@@anasaldesouqi6633 it's coming in 2024
@@DukeSkylockerI think a review of Elemental says it best (I forgot what’s the video): “When you are a studio that keeps releasing great movies (Pixar), an okay one will definitely be seen as a disappointing product. If you are a studio that keeps releasing mediocre movies (Dreamworks), people will try to forget those even exist and will only remember the rare but good ones and call you a great studio.”
@@bluesyrupgc4224 There's too many contradictions in Elemental to call it an okay movie
The only groundbreaking thing Elemental did was having the main characters made out of special effects. Not an anatomy of a model character covered in fire, water, air, ect, actually elements morphed and moved into a body. I don't think any animated flick has done that, ESPECIALLY since special effects, like fire, is the most difficult thing to animate. So to have the special effects the main character has to have some praise.
Honestly quite the innovation, thanks for the info. Though I think I’m starting to see what people say in terms of story+animation. Whilst good animation is important, if it doesn’t add to the overall movie then there’s less reason to watch it. I haven’t seen the film myself, but I can imagine the pretty visuals may not service the actual film, unlike a movie like spiderverse, which is why the box office of elemental is not doing great.
Every Pixar movie has new technology invented for it.
But still, it's the good dinosaur again. A -soulless- tech demo. I'm sure the director was passionate about this project but it just feels so shallow.
It was interesting to see after seeing the water horse in frozen two
But I think the point made in this video is that the nice animation doesn’t justify the movie being made. It’s not enough. Just like a photo realistic painting of a fruit bowl isn’t going to captivate and touch most people. It’s impressive, but without better writing and story telling, it’s not going to get people in the theatre seats. I can appreciate the fire animation in the trailer.
I get what you’re saying about into the spider verse being absolutely incredible on a low budget because it’s stunning but also the treatment of their animators is absolutely insane and exploitative. It should have cost more. They need to have paid their animators more.
It’s funny because they employed people out of state cuz they didn’t need to pay them a reasonable wage
For me, Up and Wall E are the best pixar movies. The montage from Up still tears me up, its insane how pixar fell over the years.
REALISTIC
CERY TELA
ACTUALLY ALLLY
Up is a completely mediocre movie after the excellent first ten minutes
Wall E is definitely a great classic, it’s even my little brother’s favorite film and he would always want to watch it all the time.
Those two films are fine without a sequel, but anything can happen like what they did with finding Nemo and the incredibles (hopefully not with this one).
I think something really important to note is that although Across the Spider-verse employed so many animators, the way they were treated was abysmal. The artists were put through ludicrous amounts of overtime and unnecessary revisions just because the people in charge of the project had the power to do so.
man just let us have this
@@riverscuomo7140It’s still valid to point out the drawbacks of much lower budgets if it comes at the cost of the people making it. Won’t change the fact that it’s a good movie but it gives context
Most of the animators said they had a good time working on the film. It was those 100 animators that said they couldn’t handle the work conditions which is still bad.
Not like Disney is any better.
I can wait longer for beyond the spiderverse
I feel bad for Pixar, I really do. But seeing Disney failing is really satisfying.
their own fault for including gay/trans.
@@patroshannish there’s a lot of reasons for their downfall instead of *”ahem”* THAT
@@ghostcreeper243that is not the problem, the forceful implementation is.
@@Eclin exactly
Disney used to be good but then they got political and money hungry.
Unfortunately while I love Across the Spider-Verse, the treatment that many of animators were and currently still are receiving is atrocious and disheartening. Animators work around the clock to make these movies and their often Underappreciated and underpaid for their hard earned work. Right now a huge writers strike is taking place and it is still not ending. resulting in a years long project that took so much hours of abuse and pain not even seeing the light of day anymore. Beyond the Spider-Verse has been delayed indefinitely and it is unclear when this movie will see the light of day anymore. While Hollywood is currently at war with studios and writers, animators are being laid off because of lack of projects being in development.
When you compared the amount of money that these studios used to create these movies and emphasized Spiderverse's low budget in comparison to other movies, I couldn't help but think about the hundreds of spiderverse artists who were underpaid and overworked over the course of the project, so much so that they had to quit.
Thank you for pointing that out! i've been looking thru the comments and havent seen anyone else talk about it.
Excellent point
Of course. Why wouldn't that be the case.
That's what I thought too
They can always work construction.
Or as janitors
Disney as a corporation is the embodiment of what happens when a business takes over artists. Art dies when you prioritize business over art.
I wouldn’t blame that, even old disney themself acknowledge it. I don’t remember the exact word, but it’s something about what they are doing are business in the end, it only works if they can create art that people want to watch, so they made “art” along the way for the money. Old disney knows they can’t expand without taking a risk, so they did. Current Disney takes the “easy” path by making safe movies, just to keep the cycle and momentum they have keep on going.
Bro I love seeing Disney fail but Pixar is the main party at fault here. The problems with their new movies come from the Pixar writing team itself, they need to get their act together.
@Eclin Wait, which era do you mean by “Old Disney”? If I remember right, the quote that you’re loosely referring to was from Michael Eisner back in the 90’s or so, I don’t think Walt ever said anything along those lines
Its more that they hire cheap indians instead of artists.
@@mistergrool3941 I disagree, the Pixar original features post-2000s have mostly been fine compared to the sequels. Sure, nothing like the run of consistent quality movie from TS1-3 but that's a very high bar anyway. Each and every one of the sequels and prequel and spinoff projects though felt like a cash grab, and almost none of them hold up to the legacy of the original (again, high bar, but because Pixar's thing is they wouldn't do sequels if there isn't a good story to tell, it makes the mediocre sequels feel even worse)
The irony is that the people of the studio absolutely didn’t want their movies during the pandemic to be put on Disney+, but they did it anyways and now look where they are.
The people of Pixar didn't get a say in that, it was then-CEO Bob Chapek who idiotically made that call.
@@stormtraitor6545 Yeah, honestly a ton of stupidity within the disney corporation in the last few years were at the hands of Chapek in everything from the movies to the theme parks and resorts.
It sucks too because I thought Soul, Luca and Turning Red were all really good!
@@burntmilk4058 Yeah! Heck Soul and Luca would've been great to see on the Big Screen, and would've likely been solid hits for Pixar if it werent for the pandemic. Soul is like the last movie Pixar has made thats like traditional Pixar stuff, and Luca is simple but expertly crafted to make a really nice small story!
I didn’t mind Turning Red and Luca at all. They both seemed to almost be like coming of age stories and finding yourself, other Pixar movies have those basic premises as well. With that being said, the cost of these movies is absolutely insane, given what smaller budget movies can do with more effort.
But turning red just did it in all the wrong ways possible
@@vidicuss3933i enjoyed it
@@vidicuss3933 yeah if I had to pick, Luca was definitely my favorite of the two. But idk, Turning red wasn’t that bad to me. It was fun to watch.
@@vidicuss3933turning red was 100% better than Luca🤢
@@joeychau6358no
Those Boxoffice bombs are actually a lot worse when you factor in marketing costs and distribution fees (usually with tickets sales split between the cinema and the studio). Not to mention interest on the money financed to make the movie.
A typical high budget production had to make up around three times its budget only to break even.
The only bomb if recent years is lightyear as it was released theatrical everywhere but underperformed but even them pixars failures are rectified by streaming
@@staringcorgi6475 not really: Disney+ is currently operating on a 1.5 BILLION dollar loss as of today. All streaming services suffered great losses in 2022, Netflix was the only one that turned a profit.
Pixar fell off
Agreed
Ooo I needed that
Blame Disney for ruining them.
Really HARD.
Of the stairs
It's sad that Pixar has been seemingly stuck with going for realism in their animation style. Obviously not all their recent movies focus on realism as their stylistic choice (Turning Red is one good example), but animation is so much more than just recreating real life through animation.
Stuck with realism? Turning Red, soul, luca, coco?
Also Luca and Elio
Elemental is pretty good and looks unique.
@@thexipherino667 true
Turning Red is pretty underrated. That movie deserved to be shown in theatres instead of the boring and bad let down which was Lightyear
I really feel bad for Pixar. They’ve always been one of my favorite animation studios by far and still is. I know they’re still able to make fantastic films as good as the ones in the golden days. Just hope Disney can leave them alone to their own devices…
This is YOUR fault, Disney!
It really is actually
It's not Disney's fault. Most of the guys who used to run Pixar left. They abandoned their own band. It's no wonder the product is different. Compare that to Nintendo, where the people who made the original games are still largely in charge.
@@lukeshioshiothey left because of Disney. Not that Disney is actually Disney anymore either.
@@stackels97 How can you say they left because of Disney when John Lasseter left to become chief executive officer of Walt Disney Animation Studios? He left Pixar to try to bring back 2D animation with films like Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh. He left the company years later.
The fact that Elemental surpassed ATSV in the box office lol
307M lol I wonder if he knows
that was the first not the sequel
It did in foreign markets but not in america but thats because marvel isn’t popular in all foreign markets like how in japan xbox isn’t as popular as it was in it’s prime in the united states
Only in Korean and foreign market it did decent by tax offs it's nothing profitable especially considering its massive budget it's stil a flop.
@@sarov7658 not a flop bc it made double the budget back and probably will make more from streaming merch and home video this is in comparison lightyear which is an actual flop and did piss poor but is probably bc it was out in the same time as mavericks and thor 4
Thank you for making an actual video going through the history of pixar and Disney instead of a twenty minute rant about how terrible the companies are
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Elemental being the movie that marks the 100 year anniversary of disney is such a slap in the face
It’s not even Disney anymore as it’s just another business,so really the true Disney didn’t make it to 100 years
Not even gonna lie I’m a grown ass adult and I still love all of those late 90s early 2000s CGI Disney movies
Wish is supposed to be the anniversary movie
@@mist3995I thought it was the live action Little Mermaid 😭
hey but that reacyion to clod though amirite
I almost cried after this video, you gained a subscription man, great montage, great storytelling, great video from all aspects
Great video. It was surprisingly not boring and quite interesting. I can see alot of effort has gone into this keep it up👌
Across the Spider verse did employ a ton of animators and have a smaller budget. But the animators also got really underpaid and had a terrible experience doing that. So...not a great tradeoff even though the movie turned out great
Agreed, I wish someone from the animation industry could make one of these videos so people can understand how this money is actually used.
Pixar pays their staff really well but the company keeps losing money over the box office. Due to the big budget.
good thing they're delaying the next film
@@anthonyt219 Not really, pixar employees are not paid well, but the crazy OT pay adds up a lot.
and the animation is just bad
The frustrating thing about Elemental is the marketing is so ass it doesn’t talk about the best part of the plot. A movie about someone immigrating with their family to a new country and trying to be their own person separate from their family is a great message for an untapped audience, and the art style looks fun.
But the marketing played it off as a element Zootopia and nothing more.
So they got the Atlantis and Treasure Planet treatment.
"untapped audience"
And a very meagre audience
I didn't even SEE any marketing for it until it already released.
@@markivwilson2891 Yeah I'm sure that would resonate really well with like 2% of the audience and everyone else would just not really care. The marketing team knows what they are doing not highlighting that shit.
I liked elemental, but it’s not a movie any 8 yr old would sit and watch still mostly bc they’re not on some weird sick adventure
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I think it's fundamentally a management problem, when an animator isn't performing they lose their job (which is not to say all animators who lose their jobs lose them because they weren't performing) but when upper management keeps making the same mistakes there's no mechanism to oust them before it brings the whole company down.
Very fair point 👍
Aye, that makes sense. Though how much of it's by the Pixar Top Brass and how much of it's the Disney Top Brass? It seems that it's the fault of both companies. Pixar for trying to be innovative in the wrong sectors and seriously missing their mark, and Disney for their outright ruinous business practices and cantankerous shareholders and corporate executives. I don't exactly know the ratio, but it's definitely a vicious cycle, no doubt accelerated whenever Disney's ill gotten goods don't make as much money as the fat rat wants.
I hate how Pixar went for emotional masterpieces with deep morals to the classic Disney “let’s do this because money” mindset. I think the main thing to blame is Disney they ruin everything they touch.
But in theory Pixar would have been ruined since 1997 😅…
@@melzam7420 Bug’s life reference?????
They just made Elemental and it didn't make money.
Toy Story 3 was not just some money printer, it was a great movie just like most of the ones that came before it and continued the story and message of Toy Story 2 expanding it to some darker territories.
and then toy story 4 came out and took a piss all over toy story 3 message
@@powerneed1023Not really
Fun fact about Lightyear, the film was apparently going to have a more mature tone to it before Disney stepped in and requested a revision, citing that the film had "too much loss" for it to be family-friendly, so the story and script were revised and what we got was the result of Disney's interference.
“Family friendly” but then add lesbian ?
@@dubbycruz9893 It's the same as a straight couple.
@AluminumFusion22 get woke ad you end up broke
@@dubbycruz9893 You do realise that straight or not straight, two person kissing is disgusting to kids all the same? If you consider same sex couple not family friendly, then we shall ban ALL ROMANCE!!!! YESSS. I personnally think that for most movies, romance (and sex) are useless addition that feel forced and does not add much to the story and is boring and so previsible. Then again...this is the opinion of an aroace lol.
@@saragreenfire4515 Same. Let's ban romance then. lool
As amazing as Across the Spider-Verse was, I really do hope that Beyond the Spider-Verse is delayed to avoid rushing and overworking the animators. And I hope studios don't take the wrong lesson of wearing down the animators to make good product.
reminds me of the mappa studio in japan
glad I just found your channel, you've got some great content bro!
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Just to note Nintendo basically had Illumination on a leash so that Mario didn’t fall into common pitfalls of modern films which also contributed to it’s success.
Edit: The film from what I can infer seems decent in that the adults will tolerate it but won’t think it’s awful but little kids enjoy it more. Also the fact of the matter is that name recognition definitely boosted it’s success both in terms of IP and people involved. If Nintendo did not make script changes then it would have been a standard illumination film and a mediocre one overall. Also it probably exceeded expectations from the first trailer drop.
What's funny is was almost the complete opposite with Sega and Paramount for the Sonic movies yet the 2nd movie became the most successful videogame game movie ever until a certain plumber showed up.
And yet it still did.
I have no idea why people keep praising the Mario movie. It has Illumination written all over it. Only thing that was improved was the animation quality.
@@wakkaseta8351 really hope that they'll take more risks with the inevitable sequel, since they have the money for it now.
(LIKE GIVE US ACTUAL SCORES INSTEAD OF POP SONG MONTAGES BRO PLEASE)
@@lukapitkanen3333 I somewhat agree especially when you consider that it’s called Super Mario BROS but the other brother only appears at the end and also Mario only meets bowser at the end should have hindered the movie but it didn’t seem to. The movie is decent from observation but I think that’s What made it succeeded cause of all the perpetual garbage that was coming out.
I wish pixar made more short stories they were so simple and fun
Would you believe me if I said that their last non-film related one was back in 2018? Disney shoving a 21 minute Frozen Christmas special in front of Coco obviously garnered tons of negative outcry from audiences...so naturally Disney's response was to just outright remove shorts in front of Pixar movies entirely. Another great example of Pixar suffering from Disney's greed
@@jaredarenas7542 I'm not talking about big movies having shorts of their own im talking about the other ones like bao, one man band, tin toy etc but they can make it work if they can like what they did with ratatouille (our friend the rat)and mosters inc ( Mike's new car). ( but I really hated when they showed the frozen short, i was telling myself on when was the movie actually going to start
Most of their movies since Brave make me want to have my head melted off my skull.
Yeah those bits like the guy playing chess against himself, the big goofy bird being bullied by a bunch of smaller birds, etc. Those shorts really brought heart to the whole production, even as one-offs unrelated entirely to the feature presentation.
So nobody's gonna talk about how Across the Spiderverse was crunched to all hell with edits were being made from higher ups once scenes were already competed, proving that to Sony money is still more important than creativity.
How it ends by devotchka playing was a sweet treat as soon as I heard that echo-ey synth, I think, love the music choice throughout the video and how every frame of the video doesn't get boring but catches my eye. Thank you. It was at 11:06
Man to be honest Spider Man into the spider verse changed the whole animation genre and just showed us that how good a movie made with passion,soul and love can be instead of being repetitive and continuie adding more numbers of a movies title that is already ended
And Across the Spider Verse shows how you can make a good sequel without being almost the same as the first.
I hate being that guy but *medium
The animation felt human, it showed so much emotions, even the body language it’s honestly insane. The leap of faith scene alone is better than most of these mediocre superhero films.
And it made Miles more likeable unlike the comics.
@@Mike_Oxlong07 how so?
I'll always thank Pixar for creating Mrs Incredible and exposing young me to women with fat dumpers
Alright, I've been on the internet for long enough today 💀
no kidding.
@@giantclaw138 nah let the man cook
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Well written and well edited man.
Fancy seeing you here good sir
A TH-camr with 7 mil subs and only two comments?
What.
Into the spiderverse changed my life, and across the spiderverse made me a whole other person. I will never take these 2 movies for granted and I'm so greatful that it was even released to begin with. I just hope beyond the spiderverse won't be a rushed hot mess
How did it change your life? Did it inspire you to go into animation or something?
@@abstract5249 That's a good question...how can a movie change the life of a person?
@@mrlightwriter I was genuinely curious when I asked.
@@abstract5249 So am I.
he turned gay thats why you know the miles effect @@mrlightwriter
The LEGO movie and Into the Spiderverse is a showcase on how to push animation forward. Pixar and Disney are interested in all these technological specifics that don’t really speak to the general audience. Like the Lego movie and Spider-Man are taking the idea of playing with Lego’s or reading a comic book where we would use our imagination the fill in the “action”- take that now crank it up to 100 and throw it on a big screen! I don’t care how realist water or hair physics is in an animated movie when you can literally choose any other way than realistic.
But giving their films that realistic flair is what defines their work as a studio, much like how Disney prided itself on its fluid 2D animation style. Telling them to drop that in favor of a more popular trend they didn’t create is like asking Disney to animate their films of the 60s like Hanna-Barbara.
As much as i love Spider-Verse, I'll always feel the LEGO Movie is underappreciated nowadays
TBH. The LEGO Movie is my favorite animated movie ever with Kung Fu Panda and both Spider Verse movies at a close second.
okg yeah!! If not for the fact I probably wont stop thinking about spiderverse for a month or two, I'd definitely like them a similar amount
It's why these movies shouldn't just be relegated to just the animation genre one is comedy the other is an action adventure
I absolutely love this video! I never really thought about it the way you're explaining it! I do think the editing is a bit much, kind of distracting at points of the point you're trying to make. But besides that it's awesome! Definitely sharing with friends
This video is amazing and perfectly describes the Pixar situation! Amazing analysis!!
With the success of both Spider-Verse movies and Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, I think it’s safe to say 2D/3D hybrid animated films are the future of western animation.
Thank gawd because I've been asking for a mixed of the two for years when most animation studios (for movies not shows) just drop 2D animation the moment 3D became an instant hit.
Having the two blended and stand together will bring out a lot of imagination and creativity into a story.
I could see an animated walking dead movie that involves Clementine and some of the comic book characters coming together
While it does suck to see Pixar fall off like the teenager in their prime during high school it's great to see animation in general take a big leap that wasn't possible before with it really opening the eyes to people that animation is more than just a way to distract the kids
guillermo del toro’s Pinocchio was absolutely beautiful and had an amazing story, I normally don’t cry at movies but this made me cry, please watch this movie, it has a beautiful story, and beautiful animation, the new Pixar could never amount to that masterpiece
Awesome video man! Highly entertaining, educational, and informative. Easy subscribe, looking forward to more content!
Flaming hot take: Soul was a great movie with a novel concept and could fit in the Innovation Era in terms of quality, but it was sadly overlooked and underrated. Disney did not give it enough exposure or marketing, and it felt like they just dumped it on their streaming service. It's my mom's favorite Pixar movie and it's sad to see it constantly lumped in with the mediocre Pixar movies of recent years.
Soul literally changed how I saw life as a college drop out mid pandemic. I legitimately think its one of the best movies they've ever made. It really does bug me when things like Soul, Luca and Lightyear (yes I saw it and loved it) get lumped as bad when TBH there's a lot of old pixar movies that I'd say are worse. (Bug's Life IMO)
i deadass didnt even know Soul already came out until this video ngl, which is sad and says a lot about the marketing
I agree, Soul was literally the only PIXAR film that made me cry and I’m honestly kinda sad that it didn’t get more attention.
Is it really a hot take??? The vast majority of people seem to love that movie.
I really liked Soul, but I'll readily admit the ending was kind of jank and sent a mixed message. The movie/story should have ended with him dead at the piano in his apartment. It would have hit like a truck, but that's reality. Death is permanent. You don't get to "try hard enough and come back".
It feels so weird seeing Pixar begin to fail, I remember movies like Up being among my favorites when I was younger.
It's not beginning to fail, it's been failing for 3 years now.
Every empire has its end.
That's what happens when you focus too much on sending a "message" rather than offering actual good entertainment that people will remember and love for decades, Marvel and LucasFilm will follow sadly.
lol they are still good. I love soul and luca.
@@beliffywu5804 Soul was meh.
Luca was also meh.
This video, in its coherence and well constructed thesis, is also art. A really good job, I loved it
Okay this is a good video essay with really solid editing, but I also want to bring attention to the banger music choices for the different sections. That is all (:
"Animation is art" is probebly the most important line ever to remember these days in modern animation. This art form can do anything and it's not just one thing I remember watching an interview with Brad Bird and he mentioned this. I remember more specifically Brad Bird said "Animation is an artform."
He f*cked Incredibles 2 and it still hurts.
6:42 Timestamp for Monsters University
(I loved you referencing your video about it!!! Love that video!"
In my own professional opinion, one of the reasons Pixar's failling is because they stopped using John Ratzenberger's voice in their movies. Pixar just ain't what it used to be without him and still will never, ever be the same without him, whatever way it is!
From what I heard they stopped using him because of his political views (he's a conservative).
@@TheIrreverentUncleAlThat's prejudice if they're doing that solely for him being conservative.
His voice is the best! BEHold!!! The underminer!!!!
@@craglerI hate to break up the staff meeting, but THEY'RE HERE!
You're an insanely talented editor. I've seen too many of these Pixar/animation "video essays" and yet yours still stands out as super entertaining and heartfelt.
Zoomer take
@@morallycorruptmaleficentti1194 Ok. Have a good day.
@@michaelroy6630 im joking....im sober
@@morallycorruptmaleficentti1194hello sober, I'm Random
Modern Pixar is so sad because classic Pixar was a shining example of how artistic vision and money-making could co-exist. Their films were immensely profitable while still being engaging, fun, well-told stories. All that was thrown out the window for tons of uninteresting sequels to stories that were self-contained and didn't need to be continued, because it wasn't enough that they were making money, they needed to make _all the money._ Tragic example of how the desire for more and more can damage a studio.
My lord the editing in this BANGS
They have insane technical skills but what lacks is the writers room, it needs to bring a fantastic story again
Lightyear could have worked if they made it a fun, colorful sci-fi adventure like The Fifth Element or Ratchet and Clank, but instead they made an Interstellar Annihilation knock off.
I was expecting that too and came out disappointed.
I feel like it could have worked if they lean more into buzz light-year being from a different generation for his and Izzy character. Plus got rid of the other two characters.
No one was more excited for Lightyear than me.
And now, no one was more disappointed than me. You have one of the best characters in Pixar’s canon and not only do you make him boring and have no personality, you also stick him in a story without any color, aliens, or any charm. I hate the Lightyear tv show but I would never call it boring or generic or forgettable.
Lightyear is all of those things and not only does it ruin Buzz, it also ruins Zurg.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 and it fails from a concept artist perspective, the grounded realistic look causes Zerg and the Buzz suit to look so out of place.
They should have just done a modern update of the animated series from the 90s
I honestly wished it would be really weird, chaotic, and cheesy
My mom said Nemo was my favourite film as a baby. She would reminisce about how I would watch it every day, over and over. The second the Credits rolled, her and Dad would start the movie all over again... And they said I loved every second of it. Recently rewatched it after a few years, and...
*...I still love it.*
Thats adorable! Mine was the original lion king
Me too! I used to be able to quote the film word for word lol
Awww. How sweet.
We don't give a damn :)
@@benjaminjo yeah I know. I didn't give a damn about your damns.
We REALLY DON'T CARE
i love hearing the silly Utopia song once in awhile, fire ass channel keep it up G
Haven't watched the last 3 pixar films. However the quality of the pixar films before that are still head and shoulders above everything else Disney is shovelling out. I love how down to earth Luca was. Actually a breath of fresh air. It took the time to slow down, respect its audience and just be a slice of life film. Im a big fan of Ghibli and believe at a minimum 3 of their films are more deserving than the films that took best animated films of the given year. However I think it is more telling of the Hollywood machine. An eco chamber of out of touch elites that no longer take risks. Btw Coco is my absolute fave, followed closely by The Incredibles and Toy Story OG
Even though it just came out on Netflix this weekend, Nimona totally belongs among the list of innovative films from other studios showing up Disney/Pixar. It has the kind of quirky-yet-relatable characters and heartfelt message that Pixar used to be known for, plus distinct stylised animation. Which is pretty funny given that Disney had the rights to the film at one point, but apparently rejected it for being too gay.
It makes the point about other animation studio running with Spider-Verse's baton considering that Blue Sky completed 75% of the film before it was revived, and it was even directed by the duo that directed their last film.
Disney is passive progressive. Of course they passed on the gay movie.
No the reason it was cancelled was because of blue sky shutting down.
Time stamping every piece of Hotline Miami music
0:43 Scattle - it's Safe Now
1:33 Light Club - She Meditates
5:38 Scattle - Knock Knock
7:53 M|O|O|N - Hydrogen
12:32 Prey Growl - Detection
13:02 Scattle - Knock Knock (again)
14:00 CoConuts - Silver Lights
15:10 Sjellos - Chamber of Reflections
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Thank you for recommending this, mr. Douglass
Amazing video, well done on the writing and editing. I was born in 89, and can relate to all this. Once I saw Good Dinosaur in theaters in 2915, I knew things were different from there on. But I own all their movies on 4K and Blu Ray. Pixar will always be special to me.
As someone born in 2001, I can relate to basically everything you said.
I grew up with the best animation movies, not only feom Pixar, but from everyone - Shrek, Ice Age, Dinosaur(we have these 3 on VHS that my bro and would watch every time we went to our grandma's), Wall-E, Ratatouile, the Toy Story trilogy, The Lion King, Finding Nemo, Cars(the first movie I ever watched in a cinema), How to train your dragon, Kung-Fu Panda, Rango, Despicable me, Madagascar, The penguins from Madagascar(including the TV series) and don't even get me started on all of the other amazing animation series such as Gravity Falls, Sponge Bob, Fairy Oddparents, Transformers Prime, Phineas&Ferb, etc.
Man, did we have the biggest feast as kids.
And now with the Spider-verse movies and Puss in Boots:The last wish, I feel like the creativity and innovation has returned, after a decade of near-constant slop.
Hope Pixar changes stuff around, as unlikely as it sounds with Disney on top. Their innovation era movies will always be part of our childhoods and a part of us.
There definitely needs to be another Stand out like Rango. That film was one and million chance of greatness during its debut.
Never Forge that year am I right
@@FoxNation18true. Rango is the GOAT
i must say puss in boots the last wish is really good too
Dawg your editing is fire
This video got recomennded to me just after elemental PASSED across the spider verse lmao
686> 486 lol
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Sad to see pixar felling in the box office and in movies, didn’t think Skipper would talk about Pixar’s but it was very entertaining as always, thought it would take another month for you to make a new video
As a 2000’s kid, I must say I am so happy I was born in the generation where my childhood was growing up with peak animated movies that were truly the embodiment of “Wholesome Childhood Memories” and felt like magic was truly a real thing.
People born in the 2010s and 2020s will say the same, I'm afraid.
@@Winter-Alpha-Omega well it’s FALSE!
@@Winter-Alpha-Omega if someone was born 2020s tf they on YT FOR
@@probader1456 atopos
@@huntercool2232Nah a lot of good animation came out in the 2010s.
bro just made a whole emotional banger well done bro
The innovation era coincided with my children's childhood perfectly. I loved those movies probably more than my kids. We watched the DVDs over and over and over. Then my kids grew up and we didn't spend time watching Pixar movies together anymore and I just assumed I didn't like the later movies because it just wasn't the same as when they were young, but I realized I didn't like the post innovation era movies, not because my kids were older, but because they just weren't very good. Excellent video and excellent music.
I'm still confused why they continued Toy Story, you could not have asked, or made a more perfect ending with 3. Anything for money I guess.
i decanonize 4 from my brain, there is only 3 toy stories. hear 5 is being made, fuck it, dont care, not watching, not after 4 did me dirty, did woody dirty, brought back bo peep when no one noticed she was gone. fuck 4, and fuck 5
Want a solution for when the newest movie flops? Abuse nostalgia
Money.
And also it's the fact that they could've simply taken advantage of the Toy Story IP and make a 4th movie, but with a NEW set of toy characters and a brand new plot. They didn't even have to use Woody or Buzz anymore yet they did
@@bloodhound1182there are so many new characters in 4 that it easily could have been a soft reboot of the series but woody and buzz make too much money
“Animation is not dead because Pixar lost their way. Animation is in a new Big Bang because the Disney mindset is failing. Not everything is about money, animation is more than just a way to shut up your kids. It touch’s people, it changes their lives, and is art. *Animation is Art.* And I’ll forever love animation and what they’ve done for me, including Pixar.”
That is probably the most beautiful quote I have ever heard from a video synopsis. Very well said! 👏👏
Amazing video essay, enjoyed every second. 🏆
Absolute W for using the Utopia Overture at 3:12 and The Social Network OST throughout the video. The original Utopia show is my favourite show of all time and I love the Social Network, the soundtracks by Cristobal Tapia De Veer and Nine Inch Nails are amazing. Also, Cuphead is my favourite game of all time and it was nice hearing some of its soundtrack in this video.
Did you know that Disney Will Re-Release 8 Classic Movies?
1. Toy Story - July 21
2. Frozen - August 4
3. Beauty and the Beast - August 18
4. The Incredibles - September 1
5. Coco - September 15
6. The Lion King - September 29
7. Mona - October 13
Also, one non-animated movie: Pirates of the Caribbean
Really Disney? After what you did to Johnny Depp? Do they think people who were upset at them for how they treated Johnny Depp will just go back because they release a movie with him in it? Do they want to guilt-trip Depp into returning? ''Look at all your movie fans. Do it for them.''
Let me speculate why those animated movies in particular are being re-released.
1. Toy Story 5 is coming
2. Frozen 3 is coming
3. A ‘’live-action’‘ Mufasa movie is coming
4. ‘‘Live-action’’ Moana and cartoon series is coming
5. Beauty and the Beast was the first full-length animated feature to be nominated for Best Picture. And its remake isn’t hated as much as many others.
6. Coco re-release is for representation. After they canceled ''The Owl House'' and their new show ''Primos'' controversies they are hated from all sides.
7. The Incredibles is just a beloved classic and its sequel made tons of money. All those movies made a lot of money.
I wonder how they will censure the re-releases. Remember how they changed the drier in ''Lilo and Stitch'' into a pizza box? Will they keep all the ''spicy'' scenes from ''The Incredibles'’? Will they keep the horny triplets from Beauty and the Beast? Particularly the scene in which LeFue is checking out their boobs?
If Frozen 3 does not pan out and wins the Oscars somehow, we riot.
This is 2000s for Disney all over again. With the rise of CGI Animation and films like Pixar, Shrek and Ice Age being successful while Disney Animation was struggling by playing it safe and still making hand drawn Animation, which is why films like Treasure Planet, Atlantis and Home on the Range being box office bombs. And now in 2020's, stylized animation took over and realistic CGI fells apart.
thing is Atlantis was trying to deny the Disney formula (they even had a slogan within the Dev team of "more action, less songs" which is really funny to me) and TP is amazing but the latter was lucky to be released at all and the former was too expensive for too little gain
a shame really but I don't think either compare to the white bread Pixar is doing currently
@@Sigismund697 What do you mean "white bread"? I own Atlantis rare animator's mug since 2021
@@Oscar95451 I’ve felt the same for awhile based on videos dissecting all the current early 2020’s Disney and Pixar films. Their boxoffice totals practically mirror the early 2000’s Disney flops except most of these don’t have as much of the same quality as those early 2000’s films.
I guess Disney has Encanto currently for their sole winner of early 2020’s Disney and Pixar can be proud of Soul but the rest aren’t registering as good.
People can still gush about The Emperor’s New Groove, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Monsters Inc, Lilo And Stitch, Finding Nemo to this day but who’s really remembering the early 2020’s Disney and Pixar films outside Encanto and Soul? I guess Luca for a bit but Turning Red Is Divisive, Lightyear is a poor toy story spin-off that had no reason being created, Raya And The Last Dragon seems to mirror Big Hero 6 for weak villains, Strange World is such mediocrity outside the controversy and Elemental while okay isn’t gathering much outside “it’s fine” response.
Then there is Onward that suffered from timing in March 2020 for the boxoffice and it’s a bit of a letdown
@@Oscar95451 most of pixar's recent deliveries have been meh at best awful at worst and among those meh I would call white bread, something edible but not tasty at all
Like FFX's cast, they all exist, they are serviceable but I barely remember anything about them besides Grand Wizard Wakka
Omg the transition from Monster INC to the buzz lightyear box was amazing
This is the first video of yours that ive watched and i cant stop laughing man
Now I know this isn't a movie, but as anyone seen Arcane on Netflix?! The stylistic choices made gives it's own unique mark in the animation landscape. While I will always love Pixar from the 90's to the 2000's era, animation with style and character is alive and well.
YES, FINALLY SOMEONE POINTS THIS OUT, I LOVE ARCANE
YES! I definitely think that this show has contributed to the animation renaissance we're moving into. It also showcased how "adult" animation can be taken seriously and not just made into a joke-show like all the other adult-oriented animated shows.
YES! Arcane was brilliant!
Yes 2022 was great for animation. Studio Trigger with Cyberpunk Edgerunners made a colorful show that was beautifully animated and obviously Riot with Arcane which was gorgeous
@@shydow6870 ok sorry off topic but I **LOVE** your pfp, botw is my favorite zelda game :))
I like the message of hope in here about the Disney model failing in the face of actual art. With the rise of AI and the working conditions that led to the writers' strike, it's good to be reminded that audiences ultimately do want art with their entertainment.
Disney has simply lost what counts as art. Plus, people always want something fresh.
@@Gamfluent that's why we have to make sure they're exposed to real art
Great video , reminded me of why I love animation so much too
Amazing analysis man, you didn't have to start playing the Up song at 18 minute mark though I am currently crying
Your exposition is touching and well crafted! And yes, the day Pixar will stop taking their audience for granted, the day they remember animation is for all ages, not for little kids only, that will be they day of their return with shining colors!
Pixar never took took their audiences for granted. What the hell are you talking about?
6:00 “kids like to play with that woody” that’s definitely one of the quotes of all time 😬