Never expected this video to blow up the way it did (thank you!) but it does mean I'll be haunted by some of these dated takes: -Way too harsh on Goob, I don't know why now I put him on the bottom, all things considered he's done well, but I think at the time I found him more annoying than funny. -Should have included Atlantis and Syndrome, -I say it doesn't matter if it guessable and then spend too much time analyzing if it's guessable. -Everyone brings up Hans'face at that moment being misleading but I think it makes sense for it to be read as 'Wow this is going to be easier than I thought'
Also, I think it's a bit odd that you put Hans higher than Callaghan when you had more to criticize about him and his shift in character in the reveal, even when justifying the twist. Personally, I also think that Callaghan is better than Hans and Bellwether because the twist is done before the climax, giving the audience time for the revelation to sink in and understand how he came to be this way before the final confrontation. If they went the Frozen way, the reveal would likely be done at the beginning of the final battle, and would possibly leave even more of a bad taste in people's mouths. Thought I still think Hans is better than people tend to say he is (when you have a movie as well-made as Frozen, it's hard to say that a character as prominent as Hans just doesn't work).
I think the reveal that King Candy was Turbo was exceptional. They introduced the character of Turbo as seemingly a throwaway character only used as a reason why it was wrong to game jump. This made it so there was no way it could've been seen coming because Turbo isn't even really a character yet, just a plot device. The thing is, it makes perfect sense with the character of King Candy and flows so well. It's also revealed in such a chilling way with the glitching in between Turbo and King Candy that it's also an incredibly well-animated sequence.
Nice analysis and I agree! I knew King Candy had bad intentions, but him being Turbo didn’t cross my mind. I thought him glitching was terrifying at first, but I really liked the detail and thought put it!
i really like the glitching too. Because throughout the movie, he was getting everyone to hate on Penelope because "she was a glitch" when in reality, he was really the glitch (who glitched her out in the first place)
I was youre 469th like, nice. And also that was totally what i thought too! This villain was so perfectly put together and when it was revealed that King Candy was Turbo it somehow made total sense!
With Coco, I actually got so caught up with the storyline and colorful settings that I forgot there was supposed to be a villain. For once, I had no suspicion of the actual villain
There is the theory about Turbo that makes him a nastier villain than we first saw. The theory is that King Candy was a proper character in the game "Sugar Rush," but when Turbo entered the game, he rewrote King Candy's code, taking over his body, thus "killing" the character. We all know that Vanellope was a princess, so... he had killed her father, and posed as him, while making everyone else in the game forget who she was. That's dark.
@Ba Ba Well, it supposes the existence of another character in the game, which was basically murdered by Turbo. Then Turbo stripped off his skin and wore it. More or less..
Especially since for a good portion of the movie, the characters fool you into believing that Bruno is this "horrifying future teller that makes your goldfish die", when in reality, Bruno is actually a lovely guy, just suffers from a bad case of serial awkwardness
@@puppetpawss Adding onto that is how they didn’t actually make Alma out to be a bad guy either. Sure, the way she treated Mirabel and the rest of the family was wrong and largely the reason why the house became unstable. But her actions were understandable as she was desperate to keep her home and village safe. She just needed to have an honest discussion with her family and realize that she shouldn’t be projecting her own stress and trauma onto them.
@@olaf-chan-728 ... I never said he was? I know why he was "banished" as you say, doesn't take away the fact that as a person, he was displayed as being kind of awkward.
If he kissed her and it failed, the entire scene would have made much more sense. Anna probably wouldn't marry him if she didn't think he was his true love. So he would have to act fast to maintain his claim
Shout out to Mother Gothel for being a twist villain to the protagonist but not the audience. You get the best of both worlds, both the dramatic reveal and the fun villain song
Mother Gothel was the last traditional villain Disney made before getting obssesed with twist villains. Thankfully, they have gotten over twist villains now, which means they can finally go back to the traditional villains, and also those good old villain songs, those are awesome
I always love appreciating Mother Gothel as a villain. It’s nice to see Disney create a villain that isn’t a constant antagonist in the main character’s life because we can tell that there is some sort of connection and love in the relationship that Gothel had with Rapunzel. Yes we see Gothel as the villain because she stole Rapunzel as a baby for her hair, but we really only see the gravity of her true vain and villainous intentions exposed to Rapunzel as her manipulative affection towards her. Basically, the villain isn’t always the person behind a mask or someone with an evil scheme, they can be someone you love and care for, they can be your family. But you are not always the person/people who love you. With Rapunzel’s side of the story we see how damaging this toxic mother-daughter relationship is to her but this doesn’t always happen in fairy tales, it can happen in real life too and I love that Disney does that: (even toxic relationships can be what make the real villain). If any of that makes sense...
The only thing I don't like about Gothel is that she's awful at fake parenting. If she wanted to live as a young adult for the rest of her life, why couldn't she give Rapunzel a fake birthday and stuff so she wouldn't become too suspicious of the lanterns appearing every year? Why a large tower that's quite close to the kingdom, that she might get out of one day with a stranger? That aside though, she's pretty good!
Well, the point is that twist villains work on protagonist who found out the person who used to be good back then turned into a monster now, but not the audience as the villain knows what to do while the hero wasn't looking or never realized. Imagine that a person who happened to be your friend turned into an enemy you have fought. Maybe the cause of being the villain is the effect that come from the accidents, natural causes, or even the hero who is to blame.
22:44 Mariachi outfits exaggerate masculine characteristics, such as overdeveloped shoulders and chest. You need the cultural understanding to catch it, so the man in the photo's "stockiness" is more in-joke than mislead.
Imo the turbo reveal gave him SO much more motivation and backup on his uncaring behaviour suddenly. He HAS caused the death of 2 games. He HAS lied to everyone just to KEEP what HE has stolen again! The Turbo reveal gave him the solid ground to stand on as to why he was evil and why he risks everything to keep Vanelope away. He was number one. He had the pride to poison him. The jealousy to drive him. It solidified his reasoning and also provided setting that he could actually be defeated
I will add just a little aside that there was a TINY reference to Vanellope's identity in the movie as well, which was when Ralph mentions that King Candy is into pink when he sees his castle and King Candy mentions it's salmon very heatedly before changing the subject. The princess dress Vanellope wears is the same color later in the movie when she finally crosses the finish line.
A nod to all of this is early in the castle scene where King Candy becomes unglued over Ralph going turbo and possibly taking away all that he has done. With the verdict of having him leave immediately or get thrown into the dungeon. Later with Ralph still there giving him the medal to not only sway him but get him to stop mucking about and leave. Which he does momentarily.
Another great motivator for turbo is that he is also regarded as the black sheep among video game characters to the point where his actions are used as a cautionary tale to deter others. But instead of bettering themselves as a person, they lie, manipulate and scheme their way into a new life, still being the egomaniac he is. This also contrasts with Ralph who is the cause for the space bug Armageddon but grows as a person and fixes their mistakes in the end.
character: "hi, my name is mister evil mcevil evil face and I'm definately a good guy." Protagonist: "yeah sure, you seem like a good person and I totally won't regret this"
You know, not only did Anna have less chemistry with Kristoff, they were missing something else as well! A PROPER DUET! Think about it. Hans and Anna have "Love is an Open Door" which is an absolute bop, and what do she and Kristoff get? People ad-libbing a song on the spot begging Anna to fuck this guy while the two smile at each other awkwardly. That and "Lost in the Woods" is all they have! And in a world where core, character-defining moments happen through song???? It just sort of communicates to the audience that, "oh yeah, you shouldn't marry a guy you just met. However, you should also leave yourself open to the possibility your first real relationship might not be your last." Like I always got the impression (before the second movie came out) that Anna and Kristoff would probably share a very happy five years together before mutually breaking up as it became obvious the two lacked the necessary communication skills, common interests, and ambition to really make it till Marriage, you know? Like even after they get married I'm not convinced they'll stay together forever or get divorced or what. All I know is that Kristoff kinda feels like....... settling. I mean seriously what do they have in common?
Yeah like Anna meets Hans at a party and they immediately hit it off meanwhile Anna finds this crusty ass dude isn’t eh middle of the woods who she almost immediately cannot relate to at all and is weirded out by him The troll song was so bad and had absolutely no romantics Opposites don’t attract half as well as people like to think
It would be cooler if Hans would try to turn Anna against Elsa. Like using the abuse tactics so we gradually see that he is the villan. Anna would be torn and would have to choose, in the end helping her sister and breaking the abusive cycle.
Ima get real deep but yeah so in Hand and Anna’s relationship it was CARRIED by its song and rhythmic flow other then there actually care and feelings towards eachother. However with kristoff and Anna they had chemistry in my opinion as they went through tough times with eachother which in a way kinda bonded them together as the song didn’t have to carry them in the relationship it was much more realistic based. ( BTW IT WOULD STILL BE NICE FOR THEM TO HAVE A DUET BUT WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT JUST BCUZ THEY WERE AWKWARD AND DIDNT HAVE A MUSICAL PIECE TGTHR DOESNT ME THEY DIDNT HAVE CHEMISTY OR THEY WERENT A GOOD DISNEY COUPLE )
I personally liked gabby gabby’s character, she wasn’t exactly a “villain” to me but the fact that she just wanted to fix her voice box so she could get the attention of harmony was sort of heartwarming
I just realized King Candy's "multiple phases" is similar to actual videogame final bosses having multiple phases. If that was intentional writing then that's honestly amazing.
I guess there would be no need since he literally said “welcome to the boss level” and he did have some fighting moves as a candy bug so... all Disney would have to do is make a video game adaptation... to a movie about video games.
I think King Candy actually being Turbo was done at least in part to be able to get rid of him for good, in a universe where characters can be functionally immortal and revive from anything. Because they establish that if you die in a game that you weren't made for, then you don't get any extra lives - you just die. So, having King Candy originally be from another game both acts as another twist, and makes it so they can actually kill him off.
When i heard about a wreck it ralph sequel i was kind of hoping the fact king candy was in the game for so long, and messed with the code, that *maybe* he somehow could come back in some way. But... that obviously didnt happen. Just basically an ad happened.
I actually really like classic evil villains sometimes. I’m a theatre kid so the drama of it all really speaks to me. I actually am not a huge fan of Disney’s whole “Villain Redemption” thing they’re starting to do, or at least I don’t like who they’re doing it with. With Maleficent I didn’t mind so much because we had no idea what her motives or reasonings were in the original Sleeping beauty. Cruella Devil on the other hand… her whole thing is black and white, there is no gray area. Plus, do we really wanna give more of a story to a lady to just wants to wear puppies? Why not think about Scar of Ursula, who already have supper interesting plots in their original movies that would be really interesting to explore, power greed family revenge, those are things I can get on board with… that was kind of a tangent lol
There's one extremely good "Villain redemption" Disney movie, before it was done to death (I agree with you on that): Kuzko. The vilain is the protagonist, and his redemption arc is brilliantly done in this friendship buddy movie! Love that movie, so fun. Technically, he is also a twist vilain for, like, the first 50 seconds of the movie, until the "I'm sorry, you threw off the Emperor's groove" scene! XD
Tbh I was really fascinated while watching cruella..... And when she showed up with the puppy coat. I really got goosebumps. But then what they did later was a huge disappointment
Times Disney and Pixar Twist Villains predicted the future: Stinky Pete/The Prospector (Toy Story 2) after Woody, Buzz and Andy’s toys defeat him Stinky Pete berated them got their loyalty to Andy and human owners warning that human kids destroy toys (Also indirectly referring to how Sid tortured and destroyed toys in the first Toy Story movie.) and they will be ruined forgotten spending eternity rotting in a landfill and are therefore better for toy museums and in Toy Story 3, Stinky Pete’s warnings came true and Andy does outgrow and later donate to Bonnie all his toys, and they would expect Woody be tortured by the toddlers in the Caterpillar Room at SunnySide Daycare and end up in a landfill got escape. Assistant Mayor Dawn Bellwether (Zooptoia): Bellwether said that she would frame Nick and Judy just as she did to Mayor Lionheart before her defeat and Bellwether’s words come true in the non-canon comics, “Prisoners of Zooptoia” and “Nick and Judy’s prison life adventure” where she frames the red fox and gray rabbit on a crime they didn’t commit so they would be thrown in prison with her and Mayor Lionheart and manipulate them into helping her achieve her evil plans once more. Henry J. Waternoose III (Monsters’ Inc.): We warned Sulley after his defeat and arrest that the energy crisis will get worse even if he and Mike become new CEOs of the company and if it’s monsters switch from scarers to comedians which of course comes true to Monsters at Work Season Two where the company faces competition with Johnny Worrington and FearCo that will indirectly lead to another energy crisis in Monstropolis also releasing Randall. Waternoose also sends his son, Henry J. Waternoose IV to deal with the situation while he is stuck in prison. Lotso-Huggin Bear (Toy Story 3): He warned that children don’t stay attached to toys forever and soon enough lose and outgrow or replace them and are therefore better off without them and these warnings of course come true in Toy Story 4 where Bonnie outgrowing and neglecting Woody in favor of Jessie causes Woody to leave the latter and become a lost toy alongside Bo Peep. King Candy/Turbo (Wreck-It-Ralph): King Candy even before his reveal as Turbo Warned that Sugar Rush would get unplugged and leave its residents homeless and it happens Though fixed at the end in the sequel, Ralph Breaks the Internet. Syndrome/Buddy (The Incredibles): He indirectly referred to the actions caused by the discrimination towards superheroes of the villain of the sequel, The Incredibles 2, Evelyn Deavor.
what i LOVE about the coco reveal even though this is a minor thing, is that how he made the movie with the EXACT WAY HE MURDERED SOMEONE to gaslight hector when he did confront him. because it comes off as though hector is thinking that he is living a movie. because imagine if someone famous and well loved actually did murder someone the same way it was portrayed in a famous movie. would it be hard to believe? absolutely.
People don't like Meet the Robinsons? I love that movie. And I don't really care how strong the villain is because I feel like he isn't really supposed to be that much of a threat. It's just a small plot element that was meant to show another side of how people become effected by small things in the past.
@@prosperosmoon "-we altered him." *lightning noises ensues* I can't remember that much of the movie anymore aside from my big sis enjoying it and that *one* line. ,_,
In Moana, I'd never considered Te Fiti/Te Kā to be the villian, much less a twist. The loss of her heart and subsequent rage never made me feel as if she was unjustified in her anger. Haven't watched that movie in a while, but I guess my only impressions of "evil" in the movie were more Moana VS obstacles. Moana's goal is to return the heart, while obstacles prevent her throughout her journey. Her father her entire life telling her the water is forbidden, expectations of the island as future chief, Maui... Interesting!
So fun fact, when Frozen came out I was dating a guy named Haans and we would joke about how he was a Disney villain. Then he lied, cheated, and emotionally manipulated, making him actually the twist villain. That’s probably the only funny thing to come out of that, it was very toxic.
My big brother had a point when he called Evelyn's motives "weak." He said "it's like blowing up a grocery store for not selling cheese because the cheese factory wouldn't make cheese." Superheroes weren't there because the government banned them.
It’s not that she hated supers for not being there, it’s that she hated them for convincing people like her parents to rely on them, which is what led to their death because her dad thought he could contact the super to save them instead of hiding and calling the police. They made people complacent, which is the crux of the Screenslaver’s monologue playing while Elastigirl was tracking him down. So she felt wounded by people’s reliance on supers and didn’t want them to return. And honestly, she may have had SOME right points. People really did get complacent, and life moved on fine without supers, save for Syndrome’s supervillainous weaponry. Her plan was fucking stupid though.
Bro I honestly LOOOOOVE King Candy and his whole deal, his reveal was just so good and everything about him and his actions suddenly made sense when you now know he was actually Turbo. Everything from why he took over the game to why he wanted to imprison Penelope (both because of the whole 'she's the actual ruler' thing and the fact that she's glitching and that could get the game unplugged erasing all his work) to the whole scene in the coding area. He's absolutely great I will never think different.
Hans would’ve been even more surprising if he’d turned out to just be a genuinely sweet prince despite the movie trying to frame him as suspicious. I feel like we’ve seen so many twist villains that it would shock us even more to just see a nice character that doesn’t pull a reveal for once.
The same went to Professor Callaghan, Bellwether, Buddy Pine (Syndrome) and Evelyn Deavor. That showed how Lewis, Alistair Krei, Lionheart and Mr Incredible were unintentionally jerkasses.
@@SigfriedBigcheeseVanMemelordII Not to mention DOR-15 (Doris) being the actual Twist villain of the film that a few people didn't saw coming. I honestly would've preferred if Bowler Hat Guy being an Adult version of Goob would be the only plot twist in the film instead of adding another plot twist (DOR-15).
Bowler hat guy is a masterpiece of a character, him being goob and holding that grudge his whole life is such a great part of the story and it takes a true movie lover to understand him.
Twist villains be like: And worst of all, he could be any one of us. He could be in this very room! He could be you! He could be me! He could even be...
I actually recently rewatched Toystory 2 as I now have a kid. Going in with an adult mind set it is actually kind of terrifying. Stinky uses cult leader tactics when he finds out Woody is an owned toy (had a real support system), to the point of painting Andy as a possible abusive owner. He isn't just manipulating Woody either in that scene. Jessy, who had already been abandoned and kept in isolation, has no problem believing the worst in someone she has never met. Stinky has been her support. There are actually a few parallels to cults and how they recruit new members, and Woody almost falls victim to it.
I just turned 18 a few months ago and I've studied Cults due to my dream of becoming a Crime expert.. That's a real terrifying way to think of a kids movie. Really opens up your mind on how some movies can be interpreted.
I remember audibly gasping during the Hans reveal. Not only because he seemed like such a milk-toast good guy, but even the voice actor tended to play protagonists and "good guy" roles. They literally bamboozled us from the very beginning 😭😭 He will always be at the top of my list because of the audible shock that happened to me and others in the movie theatre.
The Ravenous Lamppost well he’s still a Disney villain who reveals himself to be a bad guy at the end. And coco also fits into that mystery genre with Miguel finding his great great grandfather or Zootopia when they try to find out who is darting the predators
@@zanderlogan8351 i do. He was aright. Not as iconic as The Prospector or Waternoose but still serviceable to the story of pixars worst film but still pretty ok compared to The traubwrecj that was Onward and The Emoji Movie
The point of Ernesto making a movie about killing Héctor is that he is UNABLE to think up his own material- that's why he stole everything from Héctor to begin with. All of his stories are at least partially true, but exaggerated.
15:53 Ok but I've actually heard an explanation on why Hans gets a bad reputation in the villains book, but can make sense I saw it on tik tok I do not remember who talked about it but I'll sum up what I can remember: Hans has ways wanted to have a place to rule And he actually intended on marrying Elsa in the first place But he met Anna first That smile was genuine at first And as he revealed in Love is An Open Door, he was tired of being shut out just like Anna But he ask to marry Anna because he wants to get close to Elsa, who is becoming queen And he was going to settle for prince, until Elsa refused to give them her blessing This is where his arc starts He begins the subtle manipulation on Anna so she begins to think highly of him and not her sister But the act that really pushed him to the edge was Anna leaving Arendell in his charge He realized how much power he could have So his new plan was to kill both sisters tp keep it But he only kept Elsa alive when he left to appeal to "Anna's wishes" to prove that he cares for her to the audience and the guards Sure, they could've tried a little harder on the twist, but I feel this explanation worked out for me
Fun fact: The reason that Hans's actions are so misleading is that originally, he wasn't supposed to be the villain. Elsa was supposed to be that. But then the writers decided that the song "Let it go" was too empowering for a villain, so they turned her into one of the good guys, and, not wanting to give up on a bad guy completely, they made Hans the villain instead. This decision was made only a few months before they finished creating the movie and since they didn't want to start all over again, they just used some of the old footage instead of creating new ones. Hence, the many plot holes in that twist.
And that was one of the dumbest creative choices Disney has ever made. It's so baffling how it managed to become so damn successful and popular worldwide despite it's many, many severe problems that ultimately prevent it from being one of Disney's best animated films of all time. Instead, it ended up becoming Disney worst and most overrated animated film of all time along with it's sequel. It really should've flopped had everyone known better, if you ask me.
1992disney the only reason why frozen is popular is because one of their characters has ice powers and a catchy song to go with the character if u ask me.
@@misschocoholic2126 Disney movies aren't just for kids, you know. Walt himself said so. I'm an adult who loves Disney too. But Disney movies like Frozen & Frozen 2 only appeal towards kids and not smart adults like me as well. I mean, the parents are the ones who spend their money to take their kids to see crappy and style-over-substance animated movies like Frozen & Frozen 2. And Disney always judges a movie's actual quality and worth by how much money it made at the box-office and not by it's audience reception, which is just plain stupid, ignorant, and biased. Profit is the only thing Disney really cares about now.
@@maisondecait Well that's part of the reason. Others include being woke and "progressive" with feminist and misandrist propaganda, being self-aware by mocking the Disney Princess formula just for being "sexist", having painfully-modernized music, lyrics, dialogue, and humor, the many "firsts" such as true love is family and not just romance and the main focus between sisters, and so much more.
I miss when we had the obvious, theatrically evil villains who would deceive the hero, but not the audience. We all knew Jafar was evil, and it wasn't too hard to realize he was the old man helping Aladdin, but the _characters_ didn't know. So as the audience, we're thinking "Don't trust him , he's evil!" and the suspense comes from _knowing_ the characters are in danger. It's the old bomb under the table thing, as said by Alfred Hitchcock; If you just have a bomb explode, it isn't going to be very thrilling. But if you have a group of people sitting at a table, and tell the audience that a bomb under the table will explode in ten minutes, and the people in the film don't know it....That is far more suspenseful.
I recently rewatched Atlantis, and Rourke was a great villain because we knew pretty early on that he and the other mercenaries didn’t have *good* intentions, but it’s the lengths he’s willing to go to for money (kill off a civilization and probably sell a super power source to a corrupt leader for big $$$$) that made him so evil, and made the other mercenaries break away from him because they never signed on for killing. So Milo knew that Rourke was only in it for the money, but by accepting his less-than-altruistic/adventurous intentions he was distracted from realizing just WHAT lengths he would go to for it, which makes his proper reveal effective.
For the Coco movie. You forgot to mention that Disney ACTUALLY TOLD US that Ernesto de la Cruz WASN'T related to Miguel since the very moment Ernesto was granting his blessing to him. The flower petal ISN'T glowing when he says the words "Miguel, I grant you my blessing". You can see that when Mamá Imelda and Héctor bless the petal, it starts to glow immediately whereas with Ernesto's is not. It's a great detail really covered up when Hector comes in to interrupt dressed as Frida Khalo.
Agreed. There are a lot of great details that lead up to the reveal of Hector as his great great grandfather instead, but because Hector appears to be a liar and a conman(not because he really is, but because he's desperate), we don't consider him and take Miguel's beliefs on Ernesto at face value instead.
There is actually a fan theory that Hans wasn't a villain to begin with. At the start of the movie, he seems like a charming and kindhearted person. But he doesn't do anything villainous until AFTER Anna and Kristoff are done with their visit from the trolls. They're "Love Trolls." And basically forced Anna to be with Kristoff. So they probably (most definitely) put a curse on Hans, and turned him into something that wasn't initial. And like you said... Hans had a better interaction with Anna then Kristoff ever did. So there's that, too.
i honestly LOVE the turbo/king candy twist. wreck-it ralph came out when i was around 6 or 7 years old, and i fell in love with it instantly. the turbo twist was REALLY effective to little-kid me, and i couldn’t get enough of it. it’s just calm enough to where it can still be in a kid’s movie, but just scary enough to where it scared the hell out of me at that age. something about that scene on vanellope’s car where he’s glitching out and revealing himself all up in her face was just so spooky and fascinating to me, and his status as a twist villain still has a special place in my heart.
I totally agree!! As a kid I was so surprised and I thought the twist was amazing. For a marketed ‘kids’ movie, I think the turbo king twist was perfect
Me too! As a kid I still didn't like him for whatever reason from the beginning. But when it was revealed, I was like: "Woah, he is Turbo? That kinda makes sense! Yes! That's cool!"
First time I watched it when I was younger I did not see King Candy being Turbo coming at all, the twist hit me right in the face (in the best way possible)!
Bowler Hat Guy (aka Goob) is probably one of my favourite villains. He's just a mixed up bungling goof being led by a sinister master. He's really more of a doofy side-kick than the actual villain which is made clear quite numerous times in Meet the Robinsons.
*bad villains the great villains are the villains that stand in contrast to the main character, and while the reason for why they became dicks is not as important as in what way they contrast the main characters goals. It's still never really gonna sell a character if you dont have some form of reason, i can only think of few exceptions to this. Like the demon from "welcome to demon school iruma-kun" but like, demons, the hole point for devils is they ment to be evil dicks. contrasting Iruma-kun Sigma chad levels, of pure niceness. Stil even there i kinda find there to be som flaws with the consept of "pure evil" And how do we even rank evil? max pain? physically or mentally? If there is no reason for your evil doings, are you even trully doing evil? the joke is maybe the best example of evil with no reason, as he is just pure chaos. Yet then again even he has one simple theme: fun. I supose he is the exeption, but the joker is always the exeption.
@@MouseGoat Totally agreed!I could name a lot more villains that have this characteristics,or even missunderstood ones who even get a redempion,making them an antagonist or anti-hero Also u ever though of becoming a writer?
True but sometimes even those villians who don't have a tragic backstory can still be amazing Like Malificent or Cruella. They were iconic without any reason to do bad things. (I'm aware of the movies but I don't really want to discuss that lmao)
It was the lack of a bad guy and the pairing of Kristoff with Anna that made it clear they were gonna need a plot device to get rid of Hans. Bc there was no solid villain as the movie moved towards the end, it was getting more & more obvious what Hans role was.
It’s ashamed that the sequel doesn’t even mention him at all nor the concept of going turbo. I mean the fact that Vanellope when decided to ditch her own game or doing something that causes the game to get plugged off like interfering with the gamer’s controllers just for her own selfish desire and is never called out once for going turbo
@@xanderg.1070 IKR? And what's more infuriating is her excuse that "nobody will notice she's gone because there's plenty of other racers." B*tch, please! She's the main character of her game! Everyone will eventually notice she's gone, and the game will get unplugged anyway, making the entire trip to the internet, the entire plot, and the ENTIRE MOVIE, completely null, void and a pointless waste of time!
@@cintronproductions9430 FINALLY someone points this out! Even if they don't think the game is broken, she's easily the most popular part of the game. Heck, I'd argue that she's borderline the ONLY reason people still play the game. I mean, at the time of RBTI, it's canonically been in the arcade for 21 years! And eventually (by which I mean "immediately") people will stop playing the game, leading it to be unplugged. Oh, and don't think there wouldn't be any other way to combat Vanellope's boredom. Ralph could easily build her more shortcuts, heck, he could probably build entire new tracks with enough time. Not in broad daylight, though - after hours, when the arcade is CLOSED and there's no one PLAYING. During open hours, she'll race with the others. She doesn't like it? Guess what, honey! You made a willing commitment as the president of this place - get off your ass and commit to it! Then as soon as the arcade closes, race on brand new tracks to your heart's content. Just as long as you don't *deliberately drive against the person playing the game* then you should be fine. Whew, that was a long one. Rant over.
@@applebee28 OMG, you are so right. So, so right. And here's yet another crappy thing I noticed. Ok, so in the first movie they make a big deal about how Ralph is an integral part of the game despite his status, and without him, the game is in danger of being unplugged. Here? Nah, Felix can just "cover for Ralph" so that Ralph can go to the Internet. What!? They don't even explain how he covers for Ralph, and if he can cover for Ralph, why wasn't that done in the first one? It feels like they just pulled that convenience out of their ass just to allow the plot to advance. 🤦♂️
One other thing that makes King Candy’s talk with Ralph seem believable is that, it’s partially true. The part about Venelopie’s glitching making players want to pull the game seems plausible, and Venelopie not being able to leave Sugar Rush because of her glitch status is 100% true. Just more a reason why I love King Candy as a villain.
Ever since _Wreck-It Ralph_ and *ESPECIALLY* _Frozen,_ Disney has been shoehorning the Plot-Twist villain trope in EVERY one of their Animated films these days where it just becomes repetitive, obvious and predictable and you can thank Pixar's influence (mainly John Lasseter) for making Walt Disney Animation Studios utilizing this in their films these last 6-7 years. Sometimes it works (e.g. King Candy, Te Ka) other times it becomes TOO predictable and cliched (e.g. Hans, Callaghan, Bellwether). 😑 It Still feels baffling for CellSpex to have Bowler Hat Guy (Goob), Callaghan, and Bellwether ranked way below Hans when literally their Plot Twists and motivations were more believable and made the most sense compared to Hans' Plot Twist and Motivations in Frozen IMAO. I'm hopeful and optimistic, that future Disney animated films from Walt Disney Animation Studios will bring back the classic Disney villain trope that was utilized from the Renaissance era and in their earlier Disney animated films since Snow White, cause we haven't had a classic Disney villain since Dr. Facilier and Mother Gothel respectively.
@@noname8354 Even so, Hans being the villain was just an afterthought and a last-minute add-in by the people who made Frozen during the final stages of development for the film. On top of that, I have to disagree with Cellspex on putting Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether way below Hans cause frankly, Professor Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether's motives and twists were more understandable and believable when compared to Hans motives, regardless if both of their plot twist reveals were too "cliched" and felt more like "Scooby-Doo" than the former. Even Bowler Hat Guy (Goob) should've been put way higher on the list and above Hans if you ask me. Personally, King Candy/Turbo was one of the few recent Disney villains that was actually handled very well with the Plot Twist when compared to Hans, Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether released after him, as the twist not only shocked the audience but also Felix and Ralph in the film as they thought that Turbo was gone for good up until Vanellope’s glitching revealed King Candy’s true identity. Even Te Ka was also another Disney Plot Twist villain that was also handled very well and right on par with King Candy. THIS is how I would rank the Disney and Pixar Plot Twist villains from Best to Worst (in my opinion): 1. Lotso 2. Stinky Pete 3. Ernesto De La Cruz 4. King Candy/Turbo 5. Te Fiti/Te Ka 6. Charles Muntz 7. Mr. Waternoose 8. Bowler Hat Guy (Goob) 9. Bellwether 10 Callaghan/Yokai 11. Evelyn Deavor 12. DOR-15 13. Rourke 14. Hans 15. Miles Axelrod
Ernesto De La Cruz's twist genuinely made me cry, it was such a solid and cold scene, I think I knew well before. I strongly agree it's a perfect movie
I know I'm a bit naive but I didn't see De La Cruz coming at all. In the trailers and TV spots, they all pretty much stated De La Cruz was Miguel's grandfather from the very start which established the idea in my mind before I had even walked into the theater. Not to mention that recent movies like Finding Dory had established that Pixar is capable of doing no villain, so I went in expecting it to be about the quest to find De La Cruz. The stupid 30 minute Frozen short film beforehand also really messed with my sense of time, so I didn't realize there was still 30 minutes left.
Wow... so Endeavor did become evil after all.... no wonder he abused Shoto and the brother that is most likely Dabi..... (BTW I do know that Endeavor was a word before MHA)
I actually really like the old theatric, pure evil "Disney villains". Villains don't have to be complex to be good, they just have to be well written. Sometimes it's nice to just have a good old pure evil villain that's down for wrecking up shop while looking fabulous without any complex strings attatched.
honestly I feel the complex, well intentioned villain is overused and tends to be put in the wrong stories just to make it 'deeper'. Like, Thanos didn't really NEED to be a well intentioned extremist, he worked fine in the comics just wanting to romance death. Attempting to make a more 'complex' villain sometimes results in a villain's motives making no sense, or as a poor attempt to make the villain come across as more redeemable (as in the case of several anime such as fairy tail, naruto and others). PLus its overall more satisfying to see the hero punch an absolute bastard in the face then it is to listen to an asshole's sob story so we can ignore them doing things like say murdering innocent people or something.
Sara Fontanini Oh my god this. I absolutely hate how much people like MCU Thanos, because I despise the bastard and how full of himself he is, and I don’t think he feels like a better villain because of it, but soooo many people eat him up and that just means another blow to fun, impactful, mustache-twirling evil villains that have become a bit of a lost art
@@sarafontanini7051 Dude you're crazy. Thanos was the most perfect example of a GOOD well-intentioned villain. The story line of "He destroyed half the universe to get with a chick" was so stupid and people would've hated that. His motivations in the MCU are way better, make more sense considering how smart he is, and he's a really good villain in those movies. The best part is while he's complex and humanized, he isn't redeemed. He sticks with his ideal until the end and is eventually put down. He was incredibly well written. I agree that well-intentioned villains are overused, but Thanos is NOT an example of that. He was an amazing villain. There's nothing wrong with the sympathizable, well-intentioned villain concept, but it is done a lot and it could be done less. Some people just don't wanna be redeemed and are just selfish, y'know? I want more variety, is what I'm saying. But again, nothing wrong with the redeemable villain thing, I just wanna see other types of villains.
I agree that sometimes fleshed out villans are in the wrong places and sometimes don't make sense to the story. But to be completely honest I prefer characters who seem more human to the ones who do evil just to do evil. That doesn't mean I don't want to see those fleshed out villans beaten up at the end, cause I do, but I still think they are pretty good if done right.
although evelyn deavor as a twist villain was lackluster, the character design (wide eyed innocence versus narrow skepticism, gradually outfit changes to more black and white) and the visual motifs (being shown in lights versus in shadows) are both very neat notes that i hadn’t noticed when watching! maybe not so good for a *twist* villain, but pretty cool nonetheless!
i could be entirely wrong, but personally i feel like the hans twist was more of a last minute decision once they decided to make elsa good, considering someone needed to fill the villain role
Jana Welch they were gonna originally make Elsa the villain. If you search up “first drafts of Elsa”, you can see how they first drew her to look like a villain
No, i believe he even has an official “birthday” or something in the summer of 2011 or 2012 - a date when they came up with this character and/or finally decided to put him in the movie. He was always a villain as a replacement to Elsa. But him being a twist villain could have been a last minute decision.
@@bananabro1010 that early draft was just the legend of the snow queen, an entirely more interesting story then frozen turned into at least there's still that one old russian version to enjoy for a snow queen movie
They MUST have done the scene where he meets Anna before making him the villain. That look was NOT a "I'm gonna manipulate you into marrying me and kill your sister" look.
Jana Welch i agree with you dude,it looks a bit too studden “hey don’t marry people you just met they might be a psycho” just to give a surprise,giving an unsatisfactory twist,the duke of wiselton was better as a villain idea,the personification of the fear and hate Elsa should fight,I mean,you can still have Hans trying to kill elza but convinced by the duke of wiselton that this would save Anna,who has a ticking clock near death,that would be a good twist,like waternoose kidnapping boo,he’s not evil,but he has no choice in his perspective,he feel bad for doing this,but it’s his duty that’s a more relatable twist villain
@@sugaryheaven4089 listen to the cut song "Life's too Short" there's a line in there where Elsa says to Anna, "You're a fool who married a stranger" also, in some original concept art, Anna can be seen wearing a wedding dress
Coco was such a good movie, it was beautiful, the story was amazing, the characters were spectacular, and the ending was the perfect bittersweet way to wrap up the the entire movie and I loved it. Also all the extended family reminded me of my Hispanic side of the family especially grandma Coco, overall I think the writers did well to capture the energy of the household
Ernesto as a villain isn’t very compelling himself, but it’s what he and his actions mean to the main characters that makes him such a good villain in my eyes. The fact he’s the one who tore the family apart by killing Héctor, and that despite being the reason Miguel loves music it’s also De La Cruz’s fault his family looks down upon it, brings it all together really nicely. Abuela was half right after all. You really don’t wanna end up like Ernesto
Apparently he was based off of someone existent (dead of course but like still a person who existed and played songs and etc) so that only makes the character more fortified before the reveal
well Héctor is also the reason the family looks down upon music since he “left the family to be successful and popular since music was more important” even though they didn’t know he was coming back but died in the process. i think they blame Héctor more than De La Cruz since apparently they didn’t know who de la cruz is?? if i remember correctly?
*I know right!* I actually think it would be better for Frozen if it went like it would be originally since Hans sounds suspicious as he's nice to Anna, but actually gets along with her. Elsa has such cool ice powers, which would make her a difficult opponent against Arendelle's soldiers.
Vanellope being the real ruler of sugar rush actually does make sense because it gives Turbo a reason to do literally everything he did. If she wasn't the ruler of sugar rush, why did he replace her specifically? Why did he feel the need to delete her code and make her a glitch? He wouldn't have any reason to do so or forbid her to cross the finish line if she wasn't important. If she was an ordinary racer, then when she crosses the finish line and resets the game she isn't a glitch and everyone remembers her and... nothing happens. Maybe Turbo would look like Turbo again, but if that were the case he'd have no reason to create a liability like "if this one racer crosses the finish line I will lose all my power." Maybe it didn't have any hints or build up, but if you think about it, it's kinda necessary for King Candy to make any sense. Also, I think King Candy is a great twist villain. Well, he isn't a twist villain... he's a villain with a twist. Turbo is the twist villain because surprise he's King Candy! He's pretty antagonistic the whole movie which gives him time to be a fun villain, but the twist is still great. They have seeds laid out that he's not really meant to be there, and isn't just a character like Taffyta. Like the fact that the castle is pink (which makes sense when we know who the real ruler is meant to be), the fact he can access the code and we see Vanellope's code, hinting at the fact he did something to it, and also Turbo's own story as told by Felix: he's a racer, who left his game to take over another racing game, and Sugar Rush is a racing game. His design also sticks out: an adult, specifically an old man, with a large nose, a different build from the others (thin legs, defined foot shape, large nose, a balloon shaped head), and no clear candy inspiration in his design. We dismiss this in our heads as "well, he's the ruler, his design should stick out" but thinking back, he doesn't fit in with the other racers, because he's from a different game. He wasn't able to change his build, only reskin himself. And I'll be honest, he had me on my first watch with what he told Ralph. The way he delivered it felt genuine, plus what he says makes perfect sense and he's right, she can't leave the game. Vanellope herself says so. If someone thought the game was broken, she would die with it. The only part of his story that isn't true is that if she were to cross the finish line, well she wouldn't be a glitch. But what he says makes it so you can't challenge him on his word because if he's right, the consequences are dire. If you test his theory and he isn't wrong, Vanellope has a good chance of being picked and then dying. He's smart that way, making it the safe option to take his word. His whole plan is really good and it's likely he told the other racers something similar to what he told Ralph. If Vanellope makes it on the roster and gets chosen, players will think the games busted and make them all homeless. They hate her not just because she's a glitch and supposedly shouldn't exist, but because in their eyes she's willing to risk making all of them homeless for a chance to race. In their eyes, she's selfish and a threat. And because she's a glitch, they probably also see her as not a real person. This secured her as unable to race. He would have succeeded in everything if Ralph hadn't gone to Sugar Rush, or if he just hadn't noticed Vanellope on the side of the game. Or even if Ralph had gotten his medal and went home. His downfall was entirely from stuff he didn't expect to happen nor could control.
My quick thoughts on the Coco twist: The way de la Cruz was built up in the introduction, directly after the story of a musician who sought fame, made me immediately go "Oh, he's Miguel's great-grampa" and for the most of the film I felt accomplished for guessing that. Later on, part of me wondered if he was going to end up as the villain, but I never guessed at Hector being his relative because I thought I'd already guessed the big twist. It's a clever little deception - set up one predictable twist, then pull the rug out while the audience is patting themselves on the back.
@@saraluciaforerogarcia THE GUITAR AND HECTOR BOTH HAD GOLD TEETH!? awesome, thanks for sharing that! I thought something looked familiar about the guitar but I couldn't figure out what it was ^u^
*"They hated me..."* *"HEY GOOB WANNA COME OVER MY HOUSE TODAY"* *"NICE BINDER GOOB"* 😂😂😂 Man Meet The Robinsons deserves more recognition I love that movie so much
that was really overdramatic and confusing. the movie itself was good but a hat taking over the world because one kid over reacted? i agree with celly thats just ridicuolous
Disney needs to make a movie where the protagonist slowly becomes the villain, while the villain slowly becomes the protagonist. Edit: since ive seen people in my replies say that i copied: i didnt, from what i remember, when i made this comment i didnt see the other comment that said something similar to mine, theres 7 billion people on earth, its common to think of the same idea and comment about said idea.
The recent Star Wars trilogy would have been more engaging if Kylo Ren/Ben's redemption had run in counterpoint to Rey's, or the 'hero', lapse into the dark. Tehn they could have ended up, in the very end, saving each other. Hurra hurray.
I think many issues with Frozen were fixed in the musical (RIP). Kristoff and Anna met before the journey up the mountain, and then had more time to build a really sweet, awkward relationship. Hans' motivations are also way more obvious, but still vague enough for his betrayal to be realistic. I've only seen it a couple times, but enough to know that the musical was a spectacular show and was robbed.
meet the robinsons made 1 joke that has stuck with me for over 10 years now. and its just one of the dumbest yet greatest jokes ever done. its when the villain puts the hat on the dinosaur to make him attack the kid. and the dinosaur chases him into a corner and gets stuck unable to grab him and then villain: "why arent you seizing him?" dino : well master, its just that i have a big head and little arms and im just not too sure how well this whole plan was thought out.............maa....master??? the billion year old dino had all of 30 seconds of human intelligence and already started finding huge flaws with his plan.........just the dumbest joke to remember from a otherwise good movie but now its the only thing i remember after my 2 viewings of the film over a decade ago
Also this one: Kid Goob: *walking through school after baseball incident* Kid 1: Hey, Goob! I like your notebook! Kid 2: Wanna hang out after school? Adult Goob voiceover: They all hated me. XD
I mean...it was supposed to be a joke..because the frog guy said it first. It’s what people call “comedy” or a “joke”...it’s not meant to have some whole elaborate story or common sense behind it...it’s a kids movie. Kids aren’t thinking about the whole backstory behind a joke. They’re thinking, “Hahaha, that dinosaur is a goofy one.” The whole joke was that a dinosaur that was meant to have a teeny brain, and on top of that, be under mind control was talking back to his “master” (that sounds weird for some reason) resulting in him giving a funny reaction and his plan failing. Just comedy purposes.
Tbh I always saw Frollo as a realistically theatric villain: a representation of the extremist church proudly and dramatically proclaiming its righteousness in the face of what is obviously horribly unethical. One of the few that really nails the balance for me.
I was going to say the same thing I mean his hell fire song (Probably Disney's best villain song ever) is literally him using his faith to talk himself up to killing Esmeralda because he can't come to terms with his lust for her opining that "That its in God's plan to make the Devil so much stronger than a man" declaring if she won't indulge his lust he'll kill her for inspiring it and then meekly asks for God's mercy on her and himself. His relationship with Quasimodo comes down his resentment for the penance he must endure for killing his mother in his wrath which why he was so gleeful about killing Quasimodo after Quasimodo's action gave him the perfect excuse to do so in the eyes of the church finally freeing him of his decades of guilt. He's a very human villain, twisted up by his darker impulses being at war with what he knows to be right. Religion for him ultimately becomes a vehicle that he uses to get deeper and deeper into darkness instead of away from it.
I personally found Hans’ “twist” extremely predictable. Not only was Disney on a surprise villain kick, but it was obvious that Anna was going to end up with Kristoff: the typical boy and girl go on a journey together and fall in love formula. That meant that Hans had to go, and what’s the easiest way to go about that? Make him the bad guy. I thought King Candy being Turbo, when we already thought he was awful enough as it was, was brilliant.
I think Frozen would have been way better if Hans wasn't a villain and the "true love" twist remained the same but true love doesn't blossom in a day. Like Hans is sincere but the kiss doesn't work because they like each other but aren't in love.
@@squawkietalkie56 i don't know, i thought Goob was pretty funny. I don't think he's a villain that should be taken seriously in terms of character, but more of a antagonist who is fun to watch
*HAHA!!! Perry the Platypus!!! You have fallen into my trap!!! Now you will witness the firing of my...* *TURN-MYSELF-INTO-A-DEPRESSED-EMO-FROM-THE-OVER-EXAGERATED-YET-VERY-BEAUTIFUL-DISNEY-FUTURE-ANATOR...!!!!!*
Don’t forget that King Candy’s reveal as Turbo is to highlight the dangerous path that Ralph himself is on. “Going Turbo” isn’t just abandoning your game and letting the other characters inside it suffer your absence. It also corrupts the games you flee to.
@Thomas Light To be fair, it is a key story item behind the mystery of the attacks: intentional distribution of a psychotic-inducing substance used as means of controlling political narrative. Zootopia makes for a good setting of a mystery. Beastars is a whole different genre sharing similar themes.
Thomas Light But that was the point, there wasn’t a primal urge, there wasn’t this quintessential thing that made x group more dangerous than the other, it only looked like it was from external bias
Bellwether being the twist villain of Zootopia would be like if Isabelle from Animal Crossing was a violent killer. Maybe the DOOM crossover makes more sense.
Fun Fact about Isabelle: She was a pretty wild teenager, beeing pretty much a rebel and also acting really violently when confronted to the point that there's a term in new leaf that is "Isabelle is going isabellelistic" that some rude villagers can sometimes bring up when telling a story about how the misbehave and Isabelle find out, this is confirm with some conversations with his brother and Tom Nook.
a lot of people don't seem to understand that stories don't need villains. there are multiple forms of antagonizing forces in narrative. The ones they usually teach are: man vs man, aka protag(s) vs antag(s) man vs world, aka protag(s) vs a concept, society, or a belief man vs nature, aka protag(s) vs an obstacle that wasn't caused by anyone, such as an earthquake or a bear attack man vs themselves, aka internal or otherwise personal conflict such as grief, guilt, uncertainty, lack of confidence, etc. that's why i love inside out, it's one of the few kids movies i've seen where they don't rely on a man vs man plot to get their message across. it's a man vs themselves story, about learning to address your feelings in a healthy way. definitely my favorite disney movie.
I just wanted say Hans probably was gonna kiss anna like he originally planned. But, then he realized that if he let her die then he can easily kill elsa without anyone questioning what really happened plus more power.
At the same time, the kiss wouldn't have worked. Hans' love wasn't genuine. Though I do like the idea that he did grow fond of her and refused to save her to help his cause, which probably would've been a better characterization as a tragic character who happens to be the antagonist. Plus, Anna would still resent him for it, so they could still let her punch him.
Yea, but I don't think Hans knew that it wouldn't work if he did it, for all he knew it was an exaggeration on Anna's part, I think, I haven't watched Frozen in a while
@@tasha1955 What about Bill Cipher and Horned King? I know they aren't realistic villains like Frollo, but they definitely are more evil since all they desire is chaos and destruction. In any case all 3 of these villains make Hans look like a wimp
Waternoose’s reveal has always been a really good villain reveal. It always put me off as a kid. Especially when I would rewatch it because he really did seem nice and good but then on the flip of a switch he’s terrifying. But he doesn’t switch complete personalities and his motives are already shown before he’s revealed as the villain. I love it
The other neat thing about Ernesto De La Cruz is that the line “you have to do whatever it takes to seize their moment” is first interpreted as something positive, like do whatever it takes be great in life! But then after the twist, it interpreted as something dark and bad, ESPECIALLY when we see that pan from Ernesto saying the famous line only to see Miguel horrified
Yeah, you’re right, I couldn’t have put it any better myself. When I was watching the movie for the first time I was suspicious of Ernesto. He was too perfect, everything was too easy, but I really did like him as a villain, because he works with the layout of the film, with the layout being that the film is about family.
I love that line too, especially how everything he's shown to have done and proceeds to do in the movie _make sense_ and is perfectly logical if that's been his lifelong philosophy. It's basically a confession that he makes his own rules to get what he wants, with absolutely no moral qualms.
Hans was the worst for me cause when I first watched Frozen and “Love is an open door” started playing and he sang “Wanted to find my own place.” I immediately knew from my Barbie movie background that this wasn’t gonna go well...
@@purpolpukepandaa3392 yes thanks Barbie u were always the best and no one can tell me the Barbie princess movies are not the best nothing can beat them
As someone who has the classic Barbie movies as one of my favorite cinematic universes, I gotta admit that Love is an Open Door has some pretty bad foreshadowing.
8:31 i think i remember reading somewhere that this move was pretty smart because if you got everyone to love supers again, having them fuck up twice stings more than "the supers just did one thing after being gone for x amount of years"
As a writer, I've kind of found there's almost three tiers or classes of villains. Now this doesn't mean one WILL be better than the other, it just means there's more complexity to them. For the sake of example I'll use the Avengers movies. Tier 1 is where the bad guy proclaims themself to be the villain. You often see this in kid's movies where they might literally say, "I'm the bad guy!" Think of Loki in this how he's the villain because he's the villain. Tier 2 is slightly more complex in that they don't see themselves as the villain, and everyone else is an antagonist to them. It's an, "I'm not the bad guy, you're the bad guy!" Ultron believed the Avengers to be a curse on the world, and he was saving the world by ridding it of them. Tier 3 is where the bad guy knows they do bad things, but for what they truly believe to be a good goal. Think of Thanos. He knew he had to do bad things, but all to achieve a goal to save everyone and the universe. He was only the villain because his methods were questionable.
I don’t think Loki is a Tier 1 villain. He had a motive, and that was to help Thanos collect the Space Stone (but he failed). Of course, when the movie was released no one knew that. Just saying. 🤷♀️
I like villains that are more like Dr. Facilier. A villain who’s revealed to be working for a bigger, much worse villain. It gives you the sense with the first villain of how terrible they are, but seeing that they are working with a bigger baddy makes you wonder how much worse they are, especially when their capabilities make their underling villain fear them.
this is great till a show pulls a naruto and does that like 1000 times till they eventually end at a fucking god. the limit is twice anymore and the audience gets bored
It's actually pretty weird that he became one of the bugs. Yes, they turn into what they eat, but imagine one of the characters like Ralph gets eaten by the bugs, and they become what King Candy did. XD Anyways jk-
Yeah I think it is, actually. Like, King Candy was said to be an original character in Sugar Rush, but Turbo came in and killed off the original character and took over him. King Candy's data is fucked up, and the bug fighting him glitched onto himself, like how Venellope glitched and got it with him.
I'm 90 percent sure that the story of Hero's Duty has Calhoun getting eaten by a Cy-Bug and becoming a boss that the player has to fight. Mostly because (a) why else would the coders have included that mechanic and (b) there's a different NPC giving the congrats and the medal.
Something about King Candy that I realized on a rewatch is that, since the bugs become what they eat, King Candy isn't from Sugar Rush, and he was eaten by the bugs; the bug King Candy was a bug with King Candy in it, and not King Candy turned into a bug. King Candy died by a bug, the bug that ate him turned into him, and this would explain why he was now suddenly attracted to the light,
Not to mention Waternoose was willing to make Randall, Mike, and Sulley mainly the latter two be the scapegoats for the conspiracy on kidnapping Boo when he hired the CDA just so he can continue doing his illegal activities hidden while at the same time leaving no witnesses. Eventually, Mike, Sulley and Boo outsmarted him when they trick him into the simulation room and Mike replays Waternoose's: _"I'll kidnap a thousand Children before I let this Company die!!"_ causing him to get arrested instead. Other than that, most people ONLY remember Waternoose for his plot twist and his quote that got him arrested, but Randall seems to be the Pixar villain everyone will associate as the villain of the film, instead of Waternoose.
Fuzzywolfe Duck Actually, when Mama Imelda gave the blessing, it lit up before she said that, and according to the accountant guy, the lighting up occurs when the family member holding the petal simply _looks_ at the one receiving the blessing (Miguel)
On the subject of Syndrome, his twist isn't that he was a "good guy" character revealed to be the villian, but rather he was the villian that no one knew existed until the big reveal. The story even plays off of this: he was a fan-one of the little guys-ignored and forgotten by everyone. His character wasn't important in the hero's story, and that becomes part his motivation. He isn't a twist villain, he just remained hidden and didn't reveal himself. Like a good villain should.
I never minded the 180 personallity twist, in fact, I loved it. So much so i use it in my own stories and characters (I roleplay online with friends), and it works really well. To me, it showed "This character is done with wearing the carefully crafted mask they've built and no loger care if they're seen as they really are, a monster". It could either show desparation to acheve their goal, underestimating their opponent (the protagonists), or a strategic reveal. I've seen some crazy things and been friends with some crazy people, so believe me, the 180 shift is something that can happen with a person *if they're given a reason*. Think of Mother Gothel; she had a total personallity flip but it was because being nice wasnt working anymore. She still had the same goal and she was still the same person, but we were seeing a different side of them.
“It’s pretty clear to anyone who’s seen even a handful of Scooby-Doo episodes when the person is behind a MASK, it’s most likely it’s gonna be someone that you’ve already been introduced to.” *(Shows the SINGLE episode when the reveal is someone we haven’t met before)*
Never expected this video to blow up the way it did (thank you!) but it does mean I'll be haunted by some of these dated takes:
-Way too harsh on Goob, I don't know why now I put him on the bottom, all things considered he's done well, but I think at the time I found him more annoying than funny.
-Should have included Atlantis and Syndrome,
-I say it doesn't matter if it guessable and then spend too much time analyzing if it's guessable.
-Everyone brings up Hans'face at that moment being misleading but I think it makes sense for it to be read as 'Wow this is going to be easier than I thought'
Was that "Rainbow Factory" I heard?
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What would be your updated ranking if you added Rourke, and Syndrome and took into account your less harsh feelings on Goob?
Also, I think it's a bit odd that you put Hans higher than Callaghan when you had more to criticize about him and his shift in character in the reveal, even when justifying the twist. Personally, I also think that Callaghan is better than Hans and Bellwether because the twist is done before the climax, giving the audience time for the revelation to sink in and understand how he came to be this way before the final confrontation. If they went the Frozen way, the reveal would likely be done at the beginning of the final battle, and would possibly leave even more of a bad taste in people's mouths. Thought I still think Hans is better than people tend to say he is (when you have a movie as well-made as Frozen, it's hard to say that a character as prominent as Hans just doesn't work).
Thank you for that interpretation of Han's facial expression. That honestly bugged me for years.
I think the reveal that King Candy was Turbo was exceptional. They introduced the character of Turbo as seemingly a throwaway character only used as a reason why it was wrong to game jump. This made it so there was no way it could've been seen coming because Turbo isn't even really a character yet, just a plot device. The thing is, it makes perfect sense with the character of King Candy and flows so well. It's also revealed in such a chilling way with the glitching in between Turbo and King Candy that it's also an incredibly well-animated sequence.
Nice analysis and I agree! I knew King Candy had bad intentions, but him being Turbo didn’t cross my mind. I thought him glitching was terrifying at first, but I really liked the detail and thought put it!
And then when he fused with the Cybug.
“I would thank you, but I think I’m just going to kill you.”
“Let’s watch her DIE together, shall we?!”
i really like the glitching too. Because throughout the movie, he was getting everyone to hate on Penelope because "she was a glitch" when in reality, he was really the glitch (who glitched her out in the first place)
I think she was referring to that at 4:05 . No one expected turbo, and it was just disguised as an old story, when it turns completely relevant
I was youre 469th like, nice. And also that was totally what i thought too! This villain was so perfectly put together and when it was revealed that King Candy was Turbo it somehow made total sense!
With Coco, I actually got so caught up with the storyline and colorful settings that I forgot there was supposed to be a villain. For once, I had no suspicion of the actual villain
Yeah, at first I thought it was going to be one of those movies without a villain. But boy, I was wrong.
i was to busy crying
It surprise me at the theater tbh
I had my on the guy I don't know his name the person friend which is cocos dad
Yeah, same
There is the theory about Turbo that makes him a nastier villain than we first saw. The theory is that King Candy was a proper character in the game "Sugar Rush," but when Turbo entered the game, he rewrote King Candy's code, taking over his body, thus "killing" the character. We all know that Vanellope was a princess, so... he had killed her father, and posed as him, while making everyone else in the game forget who she was. That's dark.
Wow. I wish Disney did this instead
@Ba Ba Well, it supposes the existence of another character in the game, which was basically murdered by Turbo. Then Turbo stripped off his skin and wore it. More or less..
"You are my father."
"No, I killed your father."
"What?"
Damn I'm scared
..d a n g. That's my headcanon now. Too badass of a theory to not.
I love how in Encanto they fool you into thinking their was an actual villain but turns out there was just an emotional obstacle.
Especially since for a good portion of the movie, the characters fool you into believing that Bruno is this "horrifying future teller that makes your goldfish die", when in reality, Bruno is actually a lovely guy, just suffers from a bad case of serial awkwardness
@@puppetpawss Adding onto that is how they didn’t actually make Alma out to be a bad guy either. Sure, the way she treated Mirabel and the rest of the family was wrong and largely the reason why the house became unstable. But her actions were understandable as she was desperate to keep her home and village safe. She just needed to have an honest discussion with her family and realize that she shouldn’t be projecting her own stress and trauma onto them.
@@Cure_Hana Me who is still massively pissed at Alma:
@@puppetpawss stop projecting you into bruno, he wasnt banned of the family bc he was ankward
@@olaf-chan-728
... I never said he was? I know why he was "banished" as you say, doesn't take away the fact that as a person, he was displayed as being kind of awkward.
I didn’t even notice just how many twist villains there are in Disney movies until now.
A lot of these are Pixar movies, not Disney
Chicken Little Pixar is owned by Disney. They are referred to as "Disney Pixar" movies
If anything, that goes to show how most of them fit very naturally to the point you wouldn't even think of them as a twist villain.
Ukuleila That’s true. It just rubbed me the wrong way for some reason but I understand
Alex Or Whatever oh yeah
Prince Hans be like:
"Well, the plot decided i'm a villain now, so... Mua ha ha, i guess..."
“I guess” 🤣😅
If he kissed her and it failed, the entire scene would have made much more sense. Anna probably wouldn't marry him if she didn't think he was his true love. So he would have to act fast to maintain his claim
Magentapurple YAP I’m sorry but this made me snort
@@Jonarrthan that's a really good idea
It’s because she ate his sandwich
The thing about twist villian is the fact we don’t time for villain songs
This.
I can't believe I have to give this movie the W here, buut
Hoodwinked pulled if off
Hugh Jara it’s a great movie in writing and wit. The animation is the only thing ‘holding it back.’
Umm, Coco?
you dare have the audacity REMEMBER ME
Shout out to Mother Gothel for being a twist villain to the protagonist but not the audience. You get the best of both worlds, both the dramatic reveal and the fun villain song
And she's the villain with such an ominous villain song
ahh yes dramatic irony, Shakespeare would be proud
Mother Gothel was the last traditional villain Disney made before getting obssesed with twist villains. Thankfully, they have gotten over twist villains now, which means they can finally go back to the traditional villains, and also those good old villain songs, those are awesome
I always love appreciating Mother Gothel as a villain. It’s nice to see Disney create a villain that isn’t a constant antagonist in the main character’s life because we can tell that there is some sort of connection and love in the relationship that Gothel had with Rapunzel. Yes we see Gothel as the villain because she stole Rapunzel as a baby for her hair, but we really only see the gravity of her true vain and villainous intentions exposed to Rapunzel as her manipulative affection towards her. Basically, the villain isn’t always the person behind a mask or someone with an evil scheme, they can be someone you love and care for, they can be your family. But you are not always the person/people who love you. With Rapunzel’s side of the story we see how damaging this toxic mother-daughter relationship is to her but this doesn’t always happen in fairy tales, it can happen in real life too and I love that Disney does that: (even toxic relationships can be what make the real villain). If any of that makes sense...
The only thing I don't like about Gothel is that she's awful at fake parenting. If she wanted to live as a young adult for the rest of her life, why couldn't she give Rapunzel a fake birthday and stuff so she wouldn't become too suspicious of the lanterns appearing every year? Why a large tower that's quite close to the kingdom, that she might get out of one day with a stranger?
That aside though, she's pretty good!
I think Syndrom is an interesting point because he's not so much a twist to the audience, but he is a serious twist for Mr Incredible himself.
So dramatic irony but in a weird way
Well, the point is that twist villains work on protagonist who found out the person who used to be good back then turned into a monster now, but not the audience as the villain knows what to do while the hero wasn't looking or never realized. Imagine that a person who happened to be your friend turned into an enemy you have fought. Maybe the cause of being the villain is the effect that come from the accidents, natural causes, or even the hero who is to blame.
Probably how Evelyn's brother felt in Incredibles 2 (What was his name, Winston? I forget)
@@seandabest4329 Winston Deavor
22:44 Mariachi outfits exaggerate masculine characteristics, such as overdeveloped shoulders and chest. You need the cultural understanding to catch it, so the man in the photo's "stockiness" is more in-joke than mislead.
The Disney Corporation itself is the biggest twist villain.
True including Mickey Mouse itself
Disney has enough money to make nuclear weapons
I mean yeah
Don't be ridiculous. If it WAS a twist villain, they'd PRETEND to NOT be evil.
*oh shit*
Imo the turbo reveal gave him SO much more motivation and backup on his uncaring behaviour suddenly.
He HAS caused the death of 2 games. He HAS lied to everyone just to KEEP what HE has stolen again!
The Turbo reveal gave him the solid ground to stand on as to why he was evil and why he risks everything to keep Vanelope away.
He was number one. He had the pride to poison him. The jealousy to drive him.
It solidified his reasoning and also provided setting that he could actually be defeated
That makes sense, thanks!
I will add just a little aside that there was a TINY reference to Vanellope's identity in the movie as well, which was when Ralph mentions that King Candy is into pink when he sees his castle and King Candy mentions it's salmon very heatedly before changing the subject.
The princess dress Vanellope wears is the same color later in the movie when she finally crosses the finish line.
A nod to all of this is early in the castle scene where King Candy becomes unglued over Ralph going turbo and possibly taking away all that he has done. With the verdict of having him leave immediately or get thrown into the dungeon.
Later with Ralph still there giving him the medal to not only sway him but get him to stop mucking about and leave. Which he does momentarily.
Another great motivator for turbo is that he is also regarded as the black sheep among video game characters to the point where his actions are used as a cautionary tale to deter others.
But instead of bettering themselves as a person, they lie, manipulate and scheme their way into a new life, still being the egomaniac he is.
This also contrasts with Ralph who is the cause for the space bug Armageddon but grows as a person and fixes their mistakes in the end.
Turbo is one of the best
The real moral of Disney movies: Scooby-Doo format works best with Scooby-Doo
Oop. That’s the tea
yes
lmao, yes
UNCREATIVE SCREECHING true
Nah, Persona 4 did it pretty well too but that whole game was just Japan making a Scooby-Doo clone.
“You wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses, would you?”
[smacks him with his glasses]
………indeed he would, yes.
"you hit a guy *with* glasses...well played,"
@@merninjamarshmallow The best line in a great movie.
"you hit a guy WITH glasses.... Well played"
That goes through my head every morning. I hit myself with my glasses alot. 😂
@@kifflom498 that line is worth more than your life
My boyfriend was all for all the puns in this movie. "You good sire? "Yeah, he just glazed me."
character: "hi, my name is mister evil mcevil evil face and I'm definately a good guy."
Protagonist: "yeah sure, you seem like a good person and I totally won't regret this"
So this? th-cam.com/video/DN9DW4rrEjY/w-d-xo.html
kabob 007 How did I guess it’d be the ProZD skit?
Well there is also the second muppet movie
Oh. Is that you Marik Ishtar?
“Your name is mister... bad guy?”
“Actually, it’s pronounced “badgey.” It’s French.”
“Oh, yeah, that makes sense.”
You know, not only did Anna have less chemistry with Kristoff, they were missing something else as well! A PROPER DUET! Think about it. Hans and Anna have "Love is an Open Door" which is an absolute bop, and what do she and Kristoff get? People ad-libbing a song on the spot begging Anna to fuck this guy while the two smile at each other awkwardly. That and "Lost in the Woods" is all they have! And in a world where core, character-defining moments happen through song???? It just sort of communicates to the audience that, "oh yeah, you shouldn't marry a guy you just met. However, you should also leave yourself open to the possibility your first real relationship might not be your last." Like I always got the impression (before the second movie came out) that Anna and Kristoff would probably share a very happy five years together before mutually breaking up as it became obvious the two lacked the necessary communication skills, common interests, and ambition to really make it till Marriage, you know? Like even after they get married I'm not convinced they'll stay together forever or get divorced or what. All I know is that Kristoff kinda feels like....... settling. I mean seriously what do they have in common?
We don’t get enough of their connections and I’m sure they have stuff in common. Plus opposites attract
Yeah like Anna meets Hans at a party and they immediately hit it off meanwhile Anna finds this crusty ass dude isn’t eh middle of the woods who she almost immediately cannot relate to at all and is weirded out by him
The troll song was so bad and had absolutely no romantics
Opposites don’t attract half as well as people like to think
It would be cooler if Hans would try to turn Anna against Elsa. Like using the abuse tactics so we gradually see that he is the villan. Anna would be torn and would have to choose, in the end helping her sister and breaking the abusive cycle.
Anna and Kristoff were going to have a duet in frozen 2 but they deleted that scene
Ima get real deep but yeah so in Hand and Anna’s relationship it was CARRIED by its song and rhythmic flow other then there actually care and feelings towards eachother.
However with kristoff and Anna they had chemistry in my opinion as they went through tough times with eachother which in a way kinda bonded them together as the song didn’t have to carry them in the relationship it was much more realistic based.
( BTW IT WOULD STILL BE NICE FOR THEM TO HAVE A DUET BUT WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT JUST BCUZ THEY WERE AWKWARD AND DIDNT HAVE A MUSICAL PIECE TGTHR DOESNT ME THEY DIDNT HAVE CHEMISTY OR THEY WERENT A GOOD DISNEY COUPLE )
I personally liked gabby gabby’s character, she wasn’t exactly a “villain” to me but the fact that she just wanted to fix her voice box so she could get the attention of harmony was sort of heartwarming
She is kinda like ghost from AntMan 2
shes selfish
@@JazzStation95 Plus she was willing to give Woody the voice box back when she got rejected and wants to redeem herself (unlike Lotso).
What's actually creepy in that movie are her, umm... well.... are they henchmen? sidekicks? I don't exactly know what to call them.
Steven Martin her dummy’s
I just realized King Candy's "multiple phases" is similar to actual videogame final bosses having multiple phases. If that was intentional writing then that's honestly amazing.
King Candy: This isn't even my final form!
Very interesting! I never thought of that!
But what if they made a King Candy boss fight?
I guess there would be no need since he literally said “welcome to the boss level” and he did have some fighting moves as a candy bug so... all Disney would have to do is make a video game adaptation... to a movie about video games.
Cant wait for the kingdom hearts 4 world with him as the boss fight lol
Yeah and he was always a villan the twist was that he was turbo! It’s why I loved wreck it Ralph
I think King Candy actually being Turbo was done at least in part to be able to get rid of him for good, in a universe where characters can be functionally immortal and revive from anything. Because they establish that if you die in a game that you weren't made for, then you don't get any extra lives - you just die. So, having King Candy originally be from another game both acts as another twist, and makes it so they can actually kill him off.
When i heard about a wreck it ralph sequel i was kind of hoping the fact king candy was in the game for so long, and messed with the code, that *maybe* he somehow could come back in some way. But... that obviously didnt happen. Just basically an ad happened.
@@Yipper64 It certainly would have been cool to see King Candy back, but I think it would have taken away much of the impact of the finale.
@@homobissi2872 well you could do it without lessening the impact of the finale, for instance, in an ironic twist he could now be a glitch himself.
@@Yipper64 Wouldn't it have been cool if he was glitch broken into different fragments ? So they have to stop him AND the other fragments
@@homobissi2872 Yeah something like that. Anything would have been better than "We Disney, buy princess stuff"
I actually really like classic evil villains sometimes. I’m a theatre kid so the drama of it all really speaks to me. I actually am not a huge fan of Disney’s whole “Villain Redemption” thing they’re starting to do, or at least I don’t like who they’re doing it with. With Maleficent I didn’t mind so much because we had no idea what her motives or reasonings were in the original Sleeping beauty. Cruella Devil on the other hand… her whole thing is black and white, there is no gray area. Plus, do we really wanna give more of a story to a lady to just wants to wear puppies? Why not think about Scar of Ursula, who already have supper interesting plots in their original movies that would be really interesting to explore, power greed family revenge, those are things I can get on board with… that was kind of a tangent lol
There's one extremely good "Villain redemption" Disney movie, before it was done to death (I agree with you on that): Kuzko. The vilain is the protagonist, and his redemption arc is brilliantly done in this friendship buddy movie! Love that movie, so fun.
Technically, he is also a twist vilain for, like, the first 50 seconds of the movie, until the "I'm sorry, you threw off the Emperor's groove" scene! XD
Still I think that the Cruella movie is great. I just view them as two separate canon verses
Ha! Black and white! I get it!
Tbh I was really fascinated while watching cruella..... And when she showed up with the puppy coat. I really got goosebumps. But then what they did later was a huge disappointment
Times Disney and Pixar Twist Villains predicted the future:
Stinky Pete/The Prospector (Toy Story 2) after Woody, Buzz and Andy’s toys defeat him Stinky Pete berated them got their loyalty to Andy and human owners warning that human kids destroy toys (Also indirectly referring to how Sid tortured and destroyed toys in the first Toy Story movie.) and they will be ruined forgotten spending eternity rotting in a landfill and are therefore better for toy museums and in Toy Story 3, Stinky Pete’s warnings came true and Andy does outgrow and later donate to Bonnie all his toys, and they would expect Woody be tortured by the toddlers in the Caterpillar Room at SunnySide Daycare and end up in a landfill got escape.
Assistant Mayor Dawn Bellwether (Zooptoia): Bellwether said that she would frame Nick and Judy just as she did to Mayor Lionheart before her defeat and Bellwether’s words come true in the non-canon comics, “Prisoners of Zooptoia” and “Nick and Judy’s prison life adventure” where she frames the red fox and gray rabbit on a crime they didn’t commit so they would be thrown in prison with her and Mayor Lionheart and manipulate them into helping her achieve her evil plans once more.
Henry J. Waternoose III (Monsters’ Inc.): We warned Sulley after his defeat and arrest that the energy crisis will get worse even if he and Mike become new CEOs of the company and if it’s monsters switch from scarers to comedians which of course comes true to Monsters at Work Season Two where the company faces competition with Johnny Worrington and FearCo that will indirectly lead to another energy crisis in Monstropolis also releasing Randall. Waternoose also sends his son, Henry J. Waternoose IV to deal with the situation while he is stuck in prison.
Lotso-Huggin Bear (Toy Story 3): He warned that children don’t stay attached to toys forever and soon enough lose and outgrow or replace them and are therefore better off without them and these warnings of course come true in Toy Story 4 where Bonnie outgrowing and neglecting Woody in favor of Jessie causes Woody to leave the latter and become a lost toy alongside Bo Peep.
King Candy/Turbo (Wreck-It-Ralph): King Candy even before his reveal as Turbo Warned that Sugar Rush would get unplugged and leave its residents homeless and it happens Though fixed at the end in the sequel, Ralph Breaks the Internet.
Syndrome/Buddy (The Incredibles): He indirectly referred to the actions caused by the discrimination towards superheroes of the villain of the sequel, The Incredibles 2, Evelyn Deavor.
what i LOVE about the coco reveal even though this is a minor thing, is that how he made the movie with the EXACT WAY HE MURDERED SOMEONE to gaslight hector when he did confront him. because it comes off as though hector is thinking that he is living a movie. because imagine if someone famous and well loved actually did murder someone the same way it was portrayed in a famous movie. would it be hard to believe? absolutely.
only thing i dint get was how the normal world learned. cuz a young kid wouldn't be believed.
@@Thebradleybushell it's because of the letters Coco kept, which had most of the song lyrics and were (presumably) dated before they became hits.
Kimberly Jade | That finally answers my questions about the movie.
It's one of the rare disney movies where the villain kills someone on screen
When I first saw this, and the twist came on, I was like: “PASS THE POPCORN S**T JUST GOT REAL”
People don't like Meet the Robinsons? I love that movie. And I don't really care how strong the villain is because I feel like he isn't really supposed to be that much of a threat. It's just a small plot element that was meant to show another side of how people become effected by small things in the past.
It was a fun movie with a great message, it just wasn’t a well crafted movie.
@@StealthGamer37 I suppose. I liked it better than Bolt and Chicken Little though. Two other movies of that era.
@@TECfan1 I didn't really like Bolt. I ended up liking the games where he's an actual super dog more than the movies.
@@prosperosmoon "-we altered him." *lightning noises ensues*
I can't remember that much of the movie anymore aside from my big sis enjoying it and that *one* line. ,_,
I watched it so much as a kid, I think it’s a good fun movie. It’s not a masterpiece of course but I think it’s a sweet movie with a sweet message
Man I can’t believe that waluigis hat became the twist villain in meet the robinsons
Nathan Lol
The villain being Waluigi's hat would make a killer Super Mario game
*Dick Dastardly
@@vadifadoms Like a reverse Super Mario Odyssey? Awesome!
waluigi stole cappy and made cappy turn into a bowler hat
In Moana, I'd never considered Te Fiti/Te Kā to be the villian, much less a twist. The loss of her heart and subsequent rage never made me feel as if she was unjustified in her anger. Haven't watched that movie in a while, but I guess my only impressions of "evil" in the movie were more Moana VS obstacles. Moana's goal is to return the heart, while obstacles prevent her throughout her journey. Her father her entire life telling her the water is forbidden, expectations of the island as future chief, Maui... Interesting!
So fun fact, when Frozen came out I was dating a guy named Haans and we would joke about how he was a Disney villain. Then he lied, cheated, and emotionally manipulated, making him actually the twist villain. That’s probably the only funny thing to come out of that, it was very toxic.
He just doesn't know when jokes goes to far
Well, hope you find someone else better! 💙
...well that escalated quickly
Tayonna Elca Hodges was gonna say “Phineas and ferb fans” but Dr Doofenshmirtz first name is Heinz not Hans
@@Tay-rm6db uhhhhh someone germanic????
The fact that her name is “Evelyn Deavor” Is like naming a villain “Baddy McBadface”
Or a villain "Cruella DeVille." Oh wait...
Well there's also Victor von Doom for Roger Rabbit lol.
It’s only obvious if you see it written, which most people don’t
well now that i think about it that makes me stupid because when i watched it most people i was with told me her name was just evelyn
I’m shaking
My big brother had a point when he called Evelyn's motives "weak." He said "it's like blowing up a grocery store for not selling cheese because the cheese factory wouldn't make cheese." Superheroes weren't there because the government banned them.
That's why Nando v movies motivation made more, she didn't hate heroes , she hated tv because it caused her father death
also there were very low chances of the superheroes being legal again, it was much easier framing them from the beginning than what Evelyn tried to do
@2A11 Sabreen Heinz's motives makes more sense tbh
It’s not that she hated supers for not being there, it’s that she hated them for convincing people like her parents to rely on them, which is what led to their death because her dad thought he could contact the super to save them instead of hiding and calling the police. They made people complacent, which is the crux of the Screenslaver’s monologue playing while Elastigirl was tracking him down. So she felt wounded by people’s reliance on supers and didn’t want them to return. And honestly, she may have had SOME right points. People really did get complacent, and life moved on fine without supers, save for Syndrome’s supervillainous weaponry.
Her plan was fucking stupid though.
Yes
Bro I honestly LOOOOOVE King Candy and his whole deal, his reveal was just so good and everything about him and his actions suddenly made sense when you now know he was actually Turbo.
Everything from why he took over the game to why he wanted to imprison Penelope (both because of the whole 'she's the actual ruler' thing and the fact that she's glitching and that could get the game unplugged erasing all his work) to the whole scene in the coding area.
He's absolutely great I will never think different.
Her name’s Vanellope, not Penelope.
The fact the nod to he actor in Mary Poppins.
Yeah
Hans would’ve been even more surprising if he’d turned out to just be a genuinely sweet prince despite the movie trying to frame him as suspicious. I feel like we’ve seen so many twist villains that it would shock us even more to just see a nice character that doesn’t pull a reveal for once.
hey its luke atmey
OMG that would be soooo much better!
ah, the fabled twist good guy...a distant dream for disney...
Or, if instead of being totally evil, he had more of a “I don’t want to do this, but I have to” mentality towards being a prick
Luke atmey!
The point of “bowler hat guy” was to show how small actions have big affects. And i cried watching him as a villain.
The same went to Professor Callaghan, Bellwether, Buddy Pine (Syndrome) and Evelyn Deavor. That showed how Lewis, Alistair Krei, Lionheart and Mr Incredible were unintentionally jerkasses.
Same! I was so happy when they wanted to adopt him! 😭
Goob wasn't even the villain in the end. Doris was the real villain.
@@SigfriedBigcheeseVanMemelordII Not to mention DOR-15 (Doris) being the actual Twist villain of the film that a few people didn't saw coming.
I honestly would've preferred if Bowler Hat Guy being an Adult version of Goob would be the only plot twist in the film instead of adding another plot twist (DOR-15).
Mood
Bowler hat guy is a masterpiece of a character, him being goob and holding that grudge his whole life is such a great part of the story and it takes a true movie lover to understand him.
Twist villains be like: And worst of all, he could be any one of us. He could be in this very room! He could be you! He could be me! He could even be...
*Right behind you*
DUN
DUN
DUN
DUN
DUNDUNDUNDUNDUN
I sense the Dark Side in you! Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate... leads to suffering.
i was not expecting a tf2 comment omg XD
*SHOOTS THE SPY*
What? It was obvious! He was the twist villain! Watch he'll become evil anytime now...
I actually recently rewatched Toystory 2 as I now have a kid. Going in with an adult mind set it is actually kind of terrifying. Stinky uses cult leader tactics when he finds out Woody is an owned toy (had a real support system), to the point of painting Andy as a possible abusive owner. He isn't just manipulating Woody either in that scene. Jessy, who had already been abandoned and kept in isolation, has no problem believing the worst in someone she has never met. Stinky has been her support. There are actually a few parallels to cults and how they recruit new members, and Woody almost falls victim to it.
I just turned 18 a few months ago and I've studied Cults due to my dream of becoming a Crime expert.. That's a real terrifying way to think of a kids movie. Really opens up your mind on how some movies can be interpreted.
That's Heavy
@Steamy Mozzarella wait what?? 😳
Holy crap you are right. Just imagine if Woody being sent to the toy museum is like drinking the kool aid and living in a coffin rent free.
Steamy Mozzarella I hope you’re doing better :)
There is one way to identify a villain immediately:
- If their song is a bop to listen to over and over again
True
"Mother Knows Best" and "Friends on the Other Side" are two of the best Disney songs imo.
“Over and over again!”
Cofefe Naomh Be prepared
@@cofefenaomh hell yeah😂
I remember audibly gasping during the Hans reveal. Not only because he seemed like such a milk-toast good guy, but even the voice actor tended to play protagonists and "good guy" roles. They literally bamboozled us from the very beginning 😭😭
He will always be at the top of my list because of the audible shock that happened to me and others in the movie theatre.
Waternoose is the embodiment of "it's nothing personal, it's just business."
"...Lord Business."
Dean Charadon damn you you got to the joke first
Dose anyone remember miles axelrod from cars 2
The Ravenous Lamppost well he’s still a Disney villain who reveals himself to be a bad guy at the end. And coco also fits into that mystery genre with Miguel finding his great great grandfather or Zootopia when they try to find out who is darting the predators
@@zanderlogan8351 i do. He was aright. Not as iconic as The Prospector or Waternoose but still serviceable to the story of pixars worst film but still pretty ok compared to The traubwrecj that was Onward and The Emoji Movie
As a Mexican trust me those mariachi clothes are bulky.
They add layers to a man
Mr. Anderson - Catholic professional monster hunter
O n i o n
truuu tho
Facts
Facts
The point of Ernesto making a movie about killing Héctor is that he is UNABLE to think up his own material- that's why he stole everything from Héctor to begin with. All of his stories are at least partially true, but exaggerated.
15:53
Ok but I've actually heard an explanation on why Hans gets a bad reputation in the villains book, but can make sense
I saw it on tik tok I do not remember who talked about it but I'll sum up what I can remember:
Hans has ways wanted to have a place to rule
And he actually intended on marrying Elsa in the first place
But he met Anna first
That smile was genuine at first
And as he revealed in Love is An Open Door, he was tired of being shut out just like Anna
But he ask to marry Anna because he wants to get close to Elsa, who is becoming queen
And he was going to settle for prince, until Elsa refused to give them her blessing
This is where his arc starts
He begins the subtle manipulation on Anna so she begins to think highly of him and not her sister
But the act that really pushed him to the edge was Anna leaving Arendell in his charge
He realized how much power he could have
So his new plan was to kill both sisters tp keep it
But he only kept Elsa alive when he left to appeal to "Anna's wishes" to prove that he cares for her to the audience and the guards
Sure, they could've tried a little harder on the twist, but I feel this explanation worked out for me
*love is an open door* is literally his villain song lmao. I get this interpretation but his arc wasn't meant to be this way at all
Fun fact:
The reason that Hans's actions are so misleading is that originally, he wasn't supposed to be the villain. Elsa was supposed to be that. But then the writers decided that the song "Let it go" was too empowering for a villain, so they turned her into one of the good guys, and, not wanting to give up on a bad guy completely, they made Hans the villain instead. This decision was made only a few months before they finished creating the movie and since they didn't want to start all over again, they just used some of the old footage instead of creating new ones. Hence, the many plot holes in that twist.
And that was one of the dumbest creative choices Disney has ever made. It's so baffling how it managed to become so damn successful and popular worldwide despite it's many, many severe problems that ultimately prevent it from being one of Disney's best animated films of all time. Instead, it ended up becoming Disney worst and most overrated animated film of all time along with it's sequel. It really should've flopped had everyone known better, if you ask me.
@@1992disney Since most Disney viewers are children, I doubt they'll realized most of the errors in the movie.
1992disney the only reason why frozen is popular is because one of their characters has ice powers and a catchy song to go with the character if u ask me.
@@misschocoholic2126 Disney movies aren't just for kids, you know. Walt himself said so. I'm an adult who loves Disney too. But Disney movies like Frozen & Frozen 2 only appeal towards kids and not smart adults like me as well. I mean, the parents are the ones who spend their money to take their kids to see crappy and style-over-substance animated movies like Frozen & Frozen 2. And Disney always judges a movie's actual quality and worth by how much money it made at the box-office and not by it's audience reception, which is just plain stupid, ignorant, and biased. Profit is the only thing Disney really cares about now.
@@maisondecait Well that's part of the reason. Others include being woke and "progressive" with feminist and misandrist propaganda, being self-aware by mocking the Disney Princess formula just for being "sexist", having painfully-modernized music, lyrics, dialogue, and humor, the many "firsts" such as true love is family and not just romance and the main focus between sisters, and so much more.
I miss when we had the obvious, theatrically evil villains who would deceive the hero, but not the audience. We all knew Jafar was evil, and it wasn't too hard to realize he was the old man helping Aladdin, but the _characters_ didn't know. So as the audience, we're thinking "Don't trust him , he's evil!" and the suspense comes from _knowing_ the characters are in danger. It's the old bomb under the table thing, as said by Alfred Hitchcock; If you just have a bomb explode, it isn't going to be very thrilling. But if you have a group of people sitting at a table, and tell the audience that a bomb under the table will explode in ten minutes, and the people in the film don't know it....That is far more suspenseful.
I recently rewatched Atlantis, and Rourke was a great villain because we knew pretty early on that he and the other mercenaries didn’t have *good* intentions, but it’s the lengths he’s willing to go to for money (kill off a civilization and probably sell a super power source to a corrupt leader for big $$$$) that made him so evil, and made the other mercenaries break away from him because they never signed on for killing.
So Milo knew that Rourke was only in it for the money, but by accepting his less-than-altruistic/adventurous intentions he was distracted from realizing just WHAT lengths he would go to for it, which makes his proper reveal effective.
like syndrome
That’s what’s called ‘dramatic irony.’
You would like Stephen King then
Or like emperor palpatine he decived the whole galaxy but not the audience
For the Coco movie. You forgot to mention that Disney ACTUALLY TOLD US that Ernesto de la Cruz WASN'T related to Miguel since the very moment Ernesto was granting his blessing to him. The flower petal ISN'T glowing when he says the words "Miguel, I grant you my blessing". You can see that when Mamá Imelda and Héctor bless the petal, it starts to glow immediately whereas with Ernesto's is not. It's a great detail really covered up when Hector comes in to interrupt dressed as Frida Khalo.
Agreed. There are a lot of great details that lead up to the reveal of Hector as his great great grandfather instead, but because Hector appears to be a liar and a conman(not because he really is, but because he's desperate), we don't consider him and take Miguel's beliefs on Ernesto at face value instead.
Someone who pays attention
*Y E S*
Also when Miguel asks the dog to take him to De La Cruz he immediately goes to Hector.
Also when we get introduce to Hector you can see the golden tooth just like the guitar.
@@theprankingweasel2592 ahhhhh the e isn’t perfectly spaced in the middle ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
There is actually a fan theory that Hans wasn't a villain to begin with. At the start of the movie, he seems like a charming and kindhearted person. But he doesn't do anything villainous until AFTER Anna and Kristoff are done with their visit from the trolls. They're "Love Trolls." And basically forced Anna to be with Kristoff. So they probably (most definitely) put a curse on Hans, and turned him into something that wasn't initial. And like you said... Hans had a better interaction with Anna then Kristoff ever did. So there's that, too.
i honestly LOVE the turbo/king candy twist. wreck-it ralph came out when i was around 6 or 7 years old, and i fell in love with it instantly. the turbo twist was REALLY effective to little-kid me, and i couldn’t get enough of it. it’s just calm enough to where it can still be in a kid’s movie, but just scary enough to where it scared the hell out of me at that age. something about that scene on vanellope’s car where he’s glitching out and revealing himself all up in her face was just so spooky and fascinating to me, and his status as a twist villain still has a special place in my heart.
I totally agree!! As a kid I was so surprised and I thought the twist was amazing. For a marketed ‘kids’ movie, I think the turbo king twist was perfect
Me too! As a kid I still didn't like him for whatever reason from the beginning. But when it was revealed, I was like: "Woah, he is Turbo? That kinda makes sense! Yes! That's cool!"
It's still somewhat scary to me lol. Not in the same way it was when I was a kid, but it's just so intense and wild that it's almost alarming.
First time I watched it when I was younger I did not see King Candy being Turbo coming at all, the twist hit me right in the face (in the best way possible)!
It was like a chekovs gun
PLOT TWIST: THE TWIST VILLAIN IS ACTUALLY THE HERO AND EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE IS TRYING TO KILL THEM!
Honestly a movie about this kind of twist would be awesome!
Oh so like the twist from that one indie game Braid?
This kind of reminds me of Borderlands
Mega mind? Kinda?
You mean the first season of westworld?
Bowler Hat Guy (aka Goob) is probably one of my favourite villains. He's just a mixed up bungling goof being led by a sinister master. He's really more of a doofy side-kick than the actual villain which is made clear quite numerous times in Meet the Robinsons.
He reminds me of doofenshmirtz
Doofs still cooler
Same!! So funny!!
I only think of him as a meme template
"For the sake of being a dick"
That line describes SOOO many villains in cinematic history lmao
*bad villains
the great villains are the villains that stand in contrast to the main character, and while the reason for why they became dicks is not as important as in what way they contrast the main characters goals.
It's still never really gonna sell a character if you dont have some form of reason, i can only think of few exceptions to this.
Like the demon from "welcome to demon school iruma-kun" but like, demons, the hole point for devils is they ment to be evil dicks. contrasting Iruma-kun Sigma chad levels, of pure niceness.
Stil even there i kinda find there to be som flaws with the consept of "pure evil"
And how do we even rank evil? max pain? physically or mentally?
If there is no reason for your evil doings, are you even trully doing evil?
the joke is maybe the best example of evil with no reason, as he is just pure chaos.
Yet then again even he has one simple theme: fun.
I supose he is the exeption, but the joker is always the exeption.
@@MouseGoat Totally agreed!I could name a lot more villains that have this characteristics,or even missunderstood ones who even get a redempion,making them an antagonist or anti-hero
Also u ever though of becoming a writer?
@@MouseGoat some villains being villains for no reason are fun though, usually they aren’t good ones but rarely they are.
That actually personifies the Joker. Except he does it on purpose. He takes that as his job.
True but sometimes even those villians who don't have a tragic backstory can still be amazing
Like Malificent or Cruella. They were iconic without any reason to do bad things. (I'm aware of the movies but I don't really want to discuss that lmao)
I think Hans's sideburns gave away he was a villain 😂
Lol same
It was the lack of a bad guy and the pairing of Kristoff with Anna that made it clear they were gonna need a plot device to get rid of Hans. Bc there was no solid villain as the movie moved towards the end, it was getting more & more obvious what Hans role was.
YourMajesty143 excuse me sir, but does duke of Weaseltown sound familiar?. He was the villain, there was no need for a twist.
@@YourMajesty143 nah man that was the biggest twist of 2013 to 5 year old me
King Candy wasn’t the best villain twist in my opinion, but when he turned out to be Turbo....
Mind blown.
He's an awesome villain cuz he had TWO twists: being a villain and being Turbo.
It’s ashamed that the sequel doesn’t even mention him at all nor the concept of going turbo. I mean the fact that Vanellope when decided to ditch her own game or doing something that causes the game to get plugged off like interfering with the gamer’s controllers just for her own selfish desire and is never called out once for going turbo
@@xanderg.1070 IKR? And what's more infuriating is her excuse that "nobody will notice she's gone because there's plenty of other racers." B*tch, please! She's the main character of her game! Everyone will eventually notice she's gone, and the game will get unplugged anyway, making the entire trip to the internet, the entire plot, and the ENTIRE MOVIE, completely null, void and a pointless waste of time!
@@cintronproductions9430 FINALLY someone points this out! Even if they don't think the game is broken, she's easily the most popular part of the game. Heck, I'd argue that she's borderline the ONLY reason people still play the game. I mean, at the time of RBTI, it's canonically been in the arcade for 21 years! And eventually (by which I mean "immediately") people will stop playing the game, leading it to be unplugged.
Oh, and don't think there wouldn't be any other way to combat Vanellope's boredom. Ralph could easily build her more shortcuts, heck, he could probably build entire new tracks with enough time. Not in broad daylight, though - after hours, when the arcade is CLOSED and there's no one PLAYING. During open hours, she'll race with the others. She doesn't like it? Guess what, honey! You made a willing commitment as the president of this place - get off your ass and commit to it! Then as soon as the arcade closes, race on brand new tracks to your heart's content. Just as long as you don't *deliberately drive against the person playing the game* then you should be fine.
Whew, that was a long one. Rant over.
@@applebee28 OMG, you are so right. So, so right. And here's yet another crappy thing I noticed. Ok, so in the first movie they make a big deal about how Ralph is an integral part of the game despite his status, and without him, the game is in danger of being unplugged. Here? Nah, Felix can just "cover for Ralph" so that Ralph can go to the Internet. What!? They don't even explain how he covers for Ralph, and if he can cover for Ralph, why wasn't that done in the first one? It feels like they just pulled that convenience out of their ass just to allow the plot to advance. 🤦♂️
The biggest twist villain is cell doing a second part
Gasp
Dear god..
SO EVIL
Dragon Ball Z?
You arse, I saw this comment and got red misled, you just pulled a twist on a twist on me
One other thing that makes King Candy’s talk with Ralph seem believable is that, it’s partially true. The part about Venelopie’s glitching making players want to pull the game seems plausible, and Venelopie not being able to leave Sugar Rush because of her glitch status is 100% true. Just more a reason why I love King Candy as a villain.
"that I think gets a little too much flack."
*Schaffrillas:* THAT WAS YOUR MISCALCULATION!
man, don't know if these two get on with each other but i'd love to see a collaboration.
Ah, a person of culture as well, I see.
XD
I also WATCH schaffrillas. good guy. I'll keep an eye on him.....
That was his steak!
In other words: Pixar knows how to do twist villains while Disney doesn't.
Ever since _Wreck-It Ralph_ and *ESPECIALLY* _Frozen,_ Disney has been shoehorning the Plot-Twist villain trope in EVERY one of their Animated films these days where it just becomes repetitive, obvious and predictable and you can thank Pixar's influence (mainly John Lasseter) for making Walt Disney Animation Studios utilizing this in their films these last 6-7 years. Sometimes it works (e.g. King Candy, Te Ka) other times it becomes TOO predictable and cliched (e.g. Hans, Callaghan, Bellwether). 😑
It Still feels baffling for CellSpex to have Bowler Hat Guy (Goob), Callaghan, and Bellwether ranked way below Hans when literally their Plot Twists and motivations were more believable and made the most sense compared to Hans' Plot Twist and Motivations in Frozen IMAO.
I'm hopeful and optimistic, that future Disney animated films from Walt Disney Animation Studios will bring back the classic Disney villain trope that was utilized from the Renaissance era and in their earlier Disney animated films since Snow White, cause we haven't had a classic Disney villain since Dr. Facilier and Mother Gothel respectively.
Yeah, Hans wasn't a good twist villain, but his role was pretty important to show the sisterly love between Elsa and Anna
Except for Zootopia and Turbo
@@noname8354 Even so, Hans being the villain was just an afterthought and a last-minute add-in by the people who made Frozen during the final stages of development for the film.
On top of that, I have to disagree with Cellspex on putting Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether way below Hans cause frankly, Professor Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether's motives and twists were more understandable and believable when compared to Hans motives, regardless if both of their plot twist reveals were too "cliched" and felt more like "Scooby-Doo" than the former. Even Bowler Hat Guy (Goob) should've been put way higher on the list and above Hans if you ask me.
Personally, King Candy/Turbo was one of the few recent Disney villains that was actually handled very well with the Plot Twist when compared to Hans, Callaghan/Yokai and Bellwether released after him, as the twist not only shocked the audience but also Felix and Ralph in the film as they thought that Turbo was gone for good up until Vanellope’s glitching revealed King Candy’s true identity. Even Te Ka was also another Disney Plot Twist villain that was also handled very well and right on par with King Candy.
THIS is how I would rank the Disney and Pixar Plot Twist villains from Best to Worst (in my opinion):
1. Lotso
2. Stinky Pete
3. Ernesto De La Cruz
4. King Candy/Turbo
5. Te Fiti/Te Ka
6. Charles Muntz
7. Mr. Waternoose
8. Bowler Hat Guy (Goob)
9. Bellwether
10 Callaghan/Yokai
11. Evelyn Deavor
12. DOR-15
13. Rourke
14. Hans
15. Miles Axelrod
@@Karlsteins You mean Wreck-It Ralph not the Dreamworks movie with the Snail (Turbo)?
Ernesto De La Cruz's twist genuinely made me cry, it was such a solid and cold scene, I think I knew well before. I strongly agree it's a perfect movie
"But we're family!"
"And Héctor was my best friend"
In just six words, they managed to convince me that he was rotten to the core.
I know I'm a bit naive but I didn't see De La Cruz coming at all. In the trailers and TV spots, they all pretty much stated De La Cruz was Miguel's grandfather from the very start which established the idea in my mind before I had even walked into the theater. Not to mention that recent movies like Finding Dory had established that Pixar is capable of doing no villain, so I went in expecting it to be about the quest to find De La Cruz. The stupid 30 minute Frozen short film beforehand also really messed with my sense of time, so I didn't realize there was still 30 minutes left.
If you watch the movie again the leaf never glows when de la cruz is holding it and speaking the words
A Goth Named Wednessday the movie its not perfect (nothing is) the movie its overated
Mr Malik Coco may not be perfect, but it is definitely not overrated.
When you started talking about the chemistry between Hans and Anna I instantly began imagining multiple different ways Frozen could have gone
They literally named a character Evil Endeavor and expected no one to figure it out
Wow... so Endeavor did become evil after all.... no wonder he abused Shoto and the brother that is most likely Dabi.....
(BTW I do know that Endeavor was a word before MHA)
@@KazuhaEien I thought the same thing loo
I don't think they intended her to be a surprise, much like the first incredibles
I actually never noticed it when i watched it
I thought the brother was going to be the villain, so I guess it worked.
I actually really like the old theatric, pure evil "Disney villains". Villains don't have to be complex to be good, they just have to be well written. Sometimes it's nice to just have a good old pure evil villain that's down for wrecking up shop while looking fabulous without any complex strings attatched.
honestly I feel the complex, well intentioned villain is overused and tends to be put in the wrong stories just to make it 'deeper'. Like, Thanos didn't really NEED to be a well intentioned extremist, he worked fine in the comics just wanting to romance death.
Attempting to make a more 'complex' villain sometimes results in a villain's motives making no sense, or as a poor attempt to make the villain come across as more redeemable (as in the case of several anime such as fairy tail, naruto and others).
PLus its overall more satisfying to see the hero punch an absolute bastard in the face then it is to listen to an asshole's sob story so we can ignore them doing things like say murdering innocent people or something.
Sara Fontanini Oh my god this. I absolutely hate how much people like MCU Thanos, because I despise the bastard and how full of himself he is, and I don’t think he feels like a better villain because of it, but soooo many people eat him up and that just means another blow to fun, impactful, mustache-twirling evil villains that have become a bit of a lost art
Cue Lord Ozai
@@sarafontanini7051 Dude you're crazy. Thanos was the most perfect example of a GOOD well-intentioned villain. The story line of "He destroyed half the universe to get with a chick" was so stupid and people would've hated that. His motivations in the MCU are way better, make more sense considering how smart he is, and he's a really good villain in those movies. The best part is while he's complex and humanized, he isn't redeemed. He sticks with his ideal until the end and is eventually put down. He was incredibly well written.
I agree that well-intentioned villains are overused, but Thanos is NOT an example of that. He was an amazing villain.
There's nothing wrong with the sympathizable, well-intentioned villain concept, but it is done a lot and it could be done less. Some people just don't wanna be redeemed and are just selfish, y'know? I want more variety, is what I'm saying. But again, nothing wrong with the redeemable villain thing, I just wanna see other types of villains.
I agree that sometimes fleshed out villans are in the wrong places and sometimes don't make sense to the story. But to be completely honest I prefer characters who seem more human to the ones who do evil just to do evil. That doesn't mean I don't want to see those fleshed out villans beaten up at the end, cause I do, but I still think they are pretty good if done right.
Disney: Let's make a sneak villain!
Also Disney: Let's call them... "Ivan Tocommitmurder"
I literally laughed out loud 😂
This had no right to be this funny
And Ivan a toilet made out of solid gold, but it's just not in the cards now, is it?
+1 Movie points to you if you get that reference.
Just made my day XD XD
Write that down, write that down!
although evelyn deavor as a twist villain was lackluster, the character design (wide eyed innocence versus narrow skepticism, gradually outfit changes to more black and white) and the visual motifs (being shown in lights versus in shadows) are both very neat notes that i hadn’t noticed when watching! maybe not so good for a *twist* villain, but pretty cool nonetheless!
THIS!!
"And for Disney's still... only time travel film?"
*Sad Cinderella III noises*
*screeches*
:(
Theres an cinderella 3?!?!?!
@@jokesarefunny4237 Yes, and it's way better than it has any right to be.
@@jokesarefunny4237 bruh I didn’t know there was a 2
i could be entirely wrong, but personally i feel like the hans twist was more of a last minute decision once they decided to make elsa good, considering someone needed to fill the villain role
Jana Welch they were gonna originally make Elsa the villain. If you search up “first drafts of Elsa”, you can see how they first drew her to look like a villain
No, i believe he even has an official “birthday” or something in the summer of 2011 or 2012 - a date when they came up with this character and/or finally decided to put him in the movie. He was always a villain as a replacement to Elsa. But him being a twist villain could have been a last minute decision.
@@bananabro1010 that early draft was just the legend of the snow queen, an entirely more interesting story then frozen turned into
at least there's still that one old russian version to enjoy for a snow queen movie
They MUST have done the scene where he meets Anna before making him the villain. That look was NOT a "I'm gonna manipulate you into marrying me and kill your sister" look.
Jana Welch i agree with you dude,it looks a bit too studden “hey don’t marry people you just met they might be a psycho” just to give a surprise,giving an unsatisfactory twist,the duke of wiselton was better as a villain idea,the personification of the fear and hate Elsa should fight,I mean,you can still have Hans trying to kill elza but convinced by the duke of wiselton that this would save Anna,who has a ticking clock near death,that would be a good twist,like waternoose kidnapping boo,he’s not evil,but he has no choice in his perspective,he feel bad for doing this,but it’s his duty that’s a more relatable twist villain
The original idea of Frozen where Anna had _already married Hans_ sounds way more exciting to me.
Where did you hear that from?
@@sugaryheaven4089 listen to the cut song "Life's too Short" there's a line in there where Elsa says to Anna, "You're a fool who married a stranger" also, in some original concept art, Anna can be seen wearing a wedding dress
Also how Elsa very early on was designed to be the villain snow queen
Coco was such a good movie, it was beautiful, the story was amazing, the characters were spectacular, and the ending was the perfect bittersweet way to wrap up the the entire movie and I loved it. Also all the extended family reminded me of my Hispanic side of the family especially grandma Coco, overall I think the writers did well to capture the energy of the household
Ernesto as a villain isn’t very compelling himself, but it’s what he and his actions mean to the main characters that makes him such a good villain in my eyes. The fact he’s the one who tore the family apart by killing Héctor, and that despite being the reason Miguel loves music it’s also De La Cruz’s fault his family looks down upon it, brings it all together really nicely. Abuela was half right after all. You really don’t wanna end up like Ernesto
Apparently he was based off of someone existent (dead of course but like still a person who existed and played songs and etc) so that only makes the character more fortified before the reveal
@@faultf4 he is inspired by Pedro Infante (likeness and career), but Infante didn't need to kill anyone to get famous, he was just so talented.
@@mariopalenciagutierrez4318 Yeah, that was the guy.
well Héctor is also the reason the family looks down upon music since he “left the family to be successful and popular since music was more important” even though they didn’t know he was coming back but died in the process. i think they blame Héctor more than De La Cruz since apparently they didn’t know who de la cruz is?? if i remember correctly?
Ernesto was only a coward and weak a** villain.
Literally all these twist movies tricked me. I’m just stupid lol.
Same
Yeah same here
Me fourth
Stupid together strong
@@yesiplayviola.dealwithit.7427 ape together stromg
Elsa: is supposed to be villain
Disney: nah Elsa sing epic song hans is now the villain HAHA
*I know right!* I actually think it would be better for Frozen if it went like it would be originally since Hans sounds suspicious as he's nice to Anna, but actually gets along with her. Elsa has such cool ice powers, which would make her a difficult opponent against Arendelle's soldiers.
Adara N Yup! I agree
Also, are those Madoka Magica playlists in your channel? A person of culture I see~
@@KazuhaEien OMG SOMEONE KNOWS THE ANIME!! I have met an equal! Eeee! Yeah, those are from Madoka Magica! :D
@@sugar9970 sounds like mad magic is going on lol
Disney: Ha ha, Elsa go sing song
Vanellope being the real ruler of sugar rush actually does make sense because it gives Turbo a reason to do literally everything he did. If she wasn't the ruler of sugar rush, why did he replace her specifically? Why did he feel the need to delete her code and make her a glitch? He wouldn't have any reason to do so or forbid her to cross the finish line if she wasn't important. If she was an ordinary racer, then when she crosses the finish line and resets the game she isn't a glitch and everyone remembers her and... nothing happens. Maybe Turbo would look like Turbo again, but if that were the case he'd have no reason to create a liability like "if this one racer crosses the finish line I will lose all my power." Maybe it didn't have any hints or build up, but if you think about it, it's kinda necessary for King Candy to make any sense.
Also, I think King Candy is a great twist villain. Well, he isn't a twist villain... he's a villain with a twist. Turbo is the twist villain because surprise he's King Candy! He's pretty antagonistic the whole movie which gives him time to be a fun villain, but the twist is still great. They have seeds laid out that he's not really meant to be there, and isn't just a character like Taffyta. Like the fact that the castle is pink (which makes sense when we know who the real ruler is meant to be), the fact he can access the code and we see Vanellope's code, hinting at the fact he did something to it, and also Turbo's own story as told by Felix: he's a racer, who left his game to take over another racing game, and Sugar Rush is a racing game. His design also sticks out: an adult, specifically an old man, with a large nose, a different build from the others (thin legs, defined foot shape, large nose, a balloon shaped head), and no clear candy inspiration in his design. We dismiss this in our heads as "well, he's the ruler, his design should stick out" but thinking back, he doesn't fit in with the other racers, because he's from a different game. He wasn't able to change his build, only reskin himself. And I'll be honest, he had me on my first watch with what he told Ralph. The way he delivered it felt genuine, plus what he says makes perfect sense and he's right, she can't leave the game. Vanellope herself says so. If someone thought the game was broken, she would die with it. The only part of his story that isn't true is that if she were to cross the finish line, well she wouldn't be a glitch. But what he says makes it so you can't challenge him on his word because if he's right, the consequences are dire. If you test his theory and he isn't wrong, Vanellope has a good chance of being picked and then dying. He's smart that way, making it the safe option to take his word.
His whole plan is really good and it's likely he told the other racers something similar to what he told Ralph. If Vanellope makes it on the roster and gets chosen, players will think the games busted and make them all homeless. They hate her not just because she's a glitch and supposedly shouldn't exist, but because in their eyes she's willing to risk making all of them homeless for a chance to race. In their eyes, she's selfish and a threat. And because she's a glitch, they probably also see her as not a real person. This secured her as unable to race. He would have succeeded in everything if Ralph hadn't gone to Sugar Rush, or if he just hadn't noticed Vanellope on the side of the game. Or even if Ralph had gotten his medal and went home. His downfall was entirely from stuff he didn't expect to happen nor could control.
My quick thoughts on the Coco twist:
The way de la Cruz was built up in the introduction, directly after the story of a musician who sought fame, made me immediately go "Oh, he's Miguel's great-grampa" and for the most of the film I felt accomplished for guessing that. Later on, part of me wondered if he was going to end up as the villain, but I never guessed at Hector being his relative because I thought I'd already guessed the big twist.
It's a clever little deception - set up one predictable twist, then pull the rug out while the audience is patting themselves on the back.
Exactly!
Really? It was the opposite for me, when I first saw the guitar with the little gold tooth and then saw Hector I kinda connected it
@@saraluciaforerogarcia THE GUITAR AND HECTOR BOTH HAD GOLD TEETH!? awesome, thanks for sharing that! I thought something looked familiar about the guitar but I couldn't figure out what it was ^u^
@@saraluciaforerogarcia woah that's a cool observation
I love red herrings
*"They hated me..."*
*"HEY GOOB WANNA COME OVER MY HOUSE TODAY"*
*"NICE BINDER GOOB"*
😂😂😂
Man Meet The Robinsons deserves more recognition I love that movie so much
Yeah it does deserve more attention
Ikr! Its the best
that was really overdramatic and confusing. the movie itself was good but a hat taking over the world because one kid over reacted? i agree with celly thats just ridicuolous
Honestly, that scene was a mood.
Sometimes, you're so caught up in your own misery that you can't tell when someone being nice is genuine or not.
I can't be the only one that thinks Bowler Hat Guy both looks and acts like a Doofenschmirtz wannabe, tragic backstories and everything.
Disney needs to make a movie where the protagonist slowly becomes the villain, while the villain slowly becomes the protagonist.
Edit: since ive seen people in my replies say that i copied: i didnt, from what i remember, when i made this comment i didnt see the other comment that said something similar to mine, theres 7 billion people on earth, its common to think of the same idea and comment about said idea.
like megamind almost?
@Crystal Odiri Watch "The Nutcracker and the Four Realms"
@@HaakonHawk Fucking loved that twist and movie
The recent Star Wars trilogy would have been more engaging if Kylo Ren/Ben's redemption had run in counterpoint to Rey's, or the 'hero', lapse into the dark. Tehn they could have ended up, in the very end, saving each other. Hurra hurray.
Megamind
I think many issues with Frozen were fixed in the musical (RIP). Kristoff and Anna met before the journey up the mountain, and then had more time to build a really sweet, awkward relationship. Hans' motivations are also way more obvious, but still vague enough for his betrayal to be realistic. I've only seen it a couple times, but enough to know that the musical was a spectacular show and was robbed.
Disney should do a movie where the protagonist turns into a villain.
The Maleficent movie kinda has that right?
@@marliestaekema1998 Moreso tragic anti-hero protagonist
They technically own that movie in the prequels
That would be a yes.
They just need to buy AoT and they won’t even need to make one themselves
meet the robinsons made 1 joke that has stuck with me for over 10 years now. and its just one of the dumbest yet greatest jokes ever done.
its when the villain puts the hat on the dinosaur to make him attack the kid. and the dinosaur chases him into a corner and gets stuck unable to grab him and then
villain: "why arent you seizing him?"
dino : well master, its just that i have a big head and little arms and im just not too sure how well this whole plan was thought out.............maa....master???
the billion year old dino had all of 30 seconds of human intelligence and already started finding huge flaws with his plan.........just the dumbest joke to remember from a otherwise good movie but now its the only thing i remember after my 2 viewings of the film over a decade ago
Same! I still make references to that joke. There's just something about... it's so simple, yet so funny.
@@SageWriterX *twitchy eyes*
Also this one:
Kid Goob: *walking through school after baseball incident*
Kid 1: Hey, Goob! I like your notebook!
Kid 2: Wanna hang out after school?
Adult Goob voiceover: They all hated me.
XD
I mean...it was supposed to be a joke..because the frog guy said it first. It’s what people call “comedy” or a “joke”...it’s not meant to have some whole elaborate story or common sense behind it...it’s a kids movie. Kids aren’t thinking about the whole backstory behind a joke. They’re thinking, “Hahaha, that dinosaur is a goofy one.” The whole joke was that a dinosaur that was meant to have a teeny brain, and on top of that, be under mind control was talking back to his “master” (that sounds weird for some reason) resulting in him giving a funny reaction and his plan failing. Just comedy purposes.
colorful-and -free omg yesss that one I think about a lot
Tbh I always saw Frollo as a realistically theatric villain: a representation of the extremist church proudly and dramatically proclaiming its righteousness in the face of what is obviously horribly unethical. One of the few that really nails the balance for me.
I was going to say the same thing I mean his hell fire song (Probably Disney's best villain song ever) is literally him using his faith to talk himself up to killing Esmeralda because he can't come to terms with his lust for her opining that "That its in God's plan to make the Devil so much stronger than a man" declaring if she won't indulge his lust he'll kill her for inspiring it and then meekly asks for God's mercy on her and himself. His relationship with Quasimodo comes down his resentment for the penance he must endure for killing his mother in his wrath which why he was so gleeful about killing Quasimodo after Quasimodo's action gave him the perfect excuse to do so in the eyes of the church finally freeing him of his decades of guilt. He's a very human villain, twisted up by his darker impulses being at war with what he knows to be right. Religion for him ultimately becomes a vehicle that he uses to get deeper and deeper into darkness instead of away from it.
The musical did it way better (so we went from top tier to *ascended* )
Same tho
The flow from clips 7:03 to 7:05 was beautiful.
I personally found Hans’ “twist” extremely predictable. Not only was Disney on a surprise villain kick, but it was obvious that Anna was going to end up with Kristoff: the typical boy and girl go on a journey together and fall in love formula. That meant that Hans had to go, and what’s the easiest way to go about that? Make him the bad guy. I thought King Candy being Turbo, when we already thought he was awful enough as it was, was brilliant.
the trolls would be better twist vellans
Still was a kick in the nards though.
With Hans I mean.
I think Frozen would have been way better if Hans wasn't a villain and the "true love" twist remained the same but true love doesn't blossom in a day. Like Hans is sincere but the kiss doesn't work because they like each other but aren't in love.
@@Moggetslittlesister Would've made better sense if the Duke guy was the villan. I mean, he's right there.
Goob from Meet the Robinsons is literally Dr Doofenshmirtz.
doctor doofenshmirtz was much better and more developed tbh
@@squawkietalkie56 i don't know, i thought Goob was pretty funny. I don't think he's a villain that should be taken seriously in terms of character, but more of a antagonist who is fun to watch
Ohhh he is, life changed.
*HAHA!!! Perry the Platypus!!! You have fallen into my trap!!! Now you will witness the firing of my...*
*TURN-MYSELF-INTO-A-DEPRESSED-EMO-FROM-THE-OVER-EXAGERATED-YET-VERY-BEAUTIFUL-DISNEY-FUTURE-ANATOR...!!!!!*
But edgy and with a hat
ah- Pretty soon every villain that ever existed will be a 'Disney villain'.
Definitely true
lol
@Cutsiwootsi thanks!
And when everyone is a twist villain, no one will be
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Don’t forget that King Candy’s reveal as Turbo is to highlight the dangerous path that Ralph himself is on. “Going Turbo” isn’t just abandoning your game and letting the other characters inside it suffer your absence. It also corrupts the games you flee to.
Zootopia spoilers
I actually found the reveal that those blue flowers made the predators wild a better twist than the twist villain .
Same
@Thomas Light
To be fair, it is a key story item behind the mystery of the attacks: intentional distribution of a psychotic-inducing substance used as means of controlling political narrative.
Zootopia makes for a good setting of a mystery. Beastars is a whole different genre sharing similar themes.
Thomas Light But that was the point, there wasn’t a primal urge, there wasn’t this quintessential thing that made x group more dangerous than the other, it only looked like it was from external bias
Same.
Yeah I agree but I feel like they did that to make it like wolf in sheep’s clothing and show that people aren’t always who they seem like they are
Bellwether being the twist villain of Zootopia would be like if Isabelle from Animal Crossing was a violent killer.
Maybe the DOOM crossover makes more sense.
Isabelle IS a violent killer. In Smash, at least. That fishing rod has claimed the lives of many.
I mean, it would certainly add more character to her, she's just so boring otherwise.
@@Duskool You talking about Isabelle or Bellwether?
Fun Fact about Isabelle: She was a pretty wild teenager, beeing pretty much a rebel and also acting really violently when confronted to the point that there's a term in new leaf that is "Isabelle is going isabellelistic" that some rude villagers can sometimes bring up when telling a story about how the misbehave and Isabelle find out, this is confirm with some conversations with his brother and Tom Nook.
You sir have gotten two comments to the top in the span of minutes. Absolute legend
Imagine if the Cabbage Guy in Avatar: TLA was secretly the Firelord the whole time
That’s basically what half those villains are
Dude, that actually would have been pretty epic, not gonna lie! 😂
The man was just trying to sell cabbages, give him a break, and his cabbages were destroyed countless occasions like his will to live
Cabbagelord has had enough. Death to benders, glory to cabbages!
The cabbage bender will rise and triumph over all!
He was the cabbage bender, more powerful than lord ozai
The thing I love about Stinky Pete is that, on a rewatch, you can see how manipulative he's being. Not just of Woody but of Jessie too
a lot of people don't seem to understand that stories don't need villains. there are multiple forms of antagonizing forces in narrative. The ones they usually teach are:
man vs man, aka protag(s) vs antag(s)
man vs world, aka protag(s) vs a concept, society, or a belief
man vs nature, aka protag(s) vs an obstacle that wasn't caused by anyone, such as an earthquake or a bear attack
man vs themselves, aka internal or otherwise personal conflict such as grief, guilt, uncertainty, lack of confidence, etc.
that's why i love inside out, it's one of the few kids movies i've seen where they don't rely on a man vs man plot to get their message across. it's a man vs themselves story, about learning to address your feelings in a healthy way. definitely my favorite disney movie.
Exactly and Disney should take notes.
Even Brother Bear didn't even had an actual villain, just a conflict.
Which is why i'm so glad that we have Studio Ghibli films
Didn't they actually add more over the years? Like man vs. technology which is what Black Mirror is supposed to be about
Inside Out is a man vs self plot on multiple levels
Wasn't Inside Out mainly Pixar? Not here to argue, just wondering.
I just wanted say Hans probably was gonna kiss anna like he originally planned. But, then he realized that if he let her die then he can easily kill elsa without anyone questioning what really happened plus more power.
At the same time, the kiss wouldn't have worked. Hans' love wasn't genuine.
Though I do like the idea that he did grow fond of her and refused to save her to help his cause, which probably would've been a better characterization as a tragic character who happens to be the antagonist.
Plus, Anna would still resent him for it, so they could still let her punch him.
articwolfgirl wolfgirl still could have kissed her though. He wasn’t in love with her so kiss wouldn’t have worked,
articwolfgirl wolfgirl
Or it was badly rushed writing, with zero buildup, for cheap shock value.
Yea, but I don't think Hans knew that it wouldn't work if he did it, for all he knew it was an exaggeration on Anna's part, I think, I haven't watched Frozen in a while
ReasyRandom It was about Anna acting on love, not the other person.
What really annoys me about Hans is that Disney acts like he’s the most evil Disney villain ever
cough cough Frollo
They wanted him to come off as a douchebag after he was revealed so the viewers would hate him more
@@tasha1955I agree, frollo is hands down the most evil disney/movie villain of all time, the song hellfire explains it all.
@@johntimothyvalenzuela8146 I agree as well.
@@tasha1955 What about Bill Cipher and Horned King? I know they aren't realistic villains like Frollo, but they definitely are more evil since all they desire is chaos and destruction. In any case all 3 of these villains make Hans look like a wimp
Waternoose’s reveal has always been a really good villain reveal. It always put me off as a kid. Especially when I would rewatch it because he really did seem nice and good but then on the flip of a switch he’s terrifying. But he doesn’t switch complete personalities and his motives are already shown before he’s revealed as the villain. I love it
I was so scared of him as a kid lol 😭 same with Randall and that machine he made it freaked me out so bad
@ Yeah I was scared of all of that too as a kid
The other neat thing about Ernesto De La Cruz is that the line “you have to do whatever it takes to seize their moment” is first interpreted as something positive, like do whatever it takes be great in life! But then after the twist, it interpreted as something dark and bad, ESPECIALLY when we see that pan from Ernesto saying the famous line only to see Miguel horrified
Yeah, you’re right, I couldn’t have put it any better myself. When I was watching the movie for the first time I was suspicious of Ernesto. He was too perfect, everything was too easy, but I really did like him as a villain, because he works with the layout of the film, with the layout being that the film is about family.
It was a good twist because of the way it affects the characters
I love that line too, especially how everything he's shown to have done and proceeds to do in the movie _make sense_ and is perfectly logical if that's been his lifelong philosophy. It's basically a confession that he makes his own rules to get what he wants, with absolutely no moral qualms.
@@fuck_youtube_handles yes exactly
nice obseration
I felt like Bellwether was a terribly hasty decision, like, she was defeated 5 minutes after being revealed
Yea, it's like she played her role and that's it.
They did have to rewrite the movie very quickly.
@@catprog really? why?
@@earth2erl it was dark. The test audiences basically said they wanted nick to escape the city not fix it. Do a search for tame collar
Creo que querían al principio que realmente el alcalde león fuera el villano pero les pareció mala la idea y lo cambiaron a último minuto
Hans was the worst for me cause when I first watched Frozen and “Love is an open door” started playing and he sang “Wanted to find my own place.” I immediately knew from my Barbie movie background that this wasn’t gonna go well...
Which Barbie movie were you thinking about?
@@Ceduria Probably the most obvious one Princess and the Pauper, a lot of Barbie movies use this trope
@@purpolpukepandaa3392 yes thanks Barbie u were always the best and no one can tell me the Barbie princess movies are not the best nothing can beat them
Swan Princess, Princess and the Pauper, and The Nutcracker. All fire
As someone who has the classic Barbie movies as one of my favorite cinematic universes, I gotta admit that Love is an Open Door has some pretty bad foreshadowing.
8:31 i think i remember reading somewhere that this move was pretty smart because if you got everyone to love supers again, having them fuck up twice stings more than "the supers just did one thing after being gone for x amount of years"
As a writer, I've kind of found there's almost three tiers or classes of villains. Now this doesn't mean one WILL be better than the other, it just means there's more complexity to them. For the sake of example I'll use the Avengers movies.
Tier 1 is where the bad guy proclaims themself to be the villain. You often see this in kid's movies where they might literally say, "I'm the bad guy!" Think of Loki in this how he's the villain because he's the villain.
Tier 2 is slightly more complex in that they don't see themselves as the villain, and everyone else is an antagonist to them. It's an, "I'm not the bad guy, you're the bad guy!" Ultron believed the Avengers to be a curse on the world, and he was saving the world by ridding it of them.
Tier 3 is where the bad guy knows they do bad things, but for what they truly believe to be a good goal. Think of Thanos. He knew he had to do bad things, but all to achieve a goal to save everyone and the universe. He was only the villain because his methods were questionable.
There's also a fourth tier, the "broken hero" for example Darth Vader.
I mean, Thanos' plan is more stupid than questionable but yeah
Thanos was right.
Ok where do I belong in this tier list. Tier 2 because I want to rid the planet of the cancer of humans?
I don’t think Loki is a Tier 1 villain. He had a motive, and that was to help Thanos collect the Space Stone (but he failed). Of course, when the movie was released no one knew that. Just saying. 🤷♀️
I like villains that are more like Dr. Facilier. A villain who’s revealed to be working for a bigger, much worse villain. It gives you the sense with the first villain of how terrible they are, but seeing that they are working with a bigger baddy makes you wonder how much worse they are, especially when their capabilities make their underling villain fear them.
Vegeta and Frieza
this is great till a show pulls a naruto and does that like 1000 times till they eventually end at a fucking god. the limit is twice anymore and the audience gets bored
Dr. Facilier is such a great villain. The princess and the frog is such a amazing movie.
Well the shadows seemed to be a neutral party. With them helping facilier when he gives them something
In that case, I highly recommend Five Kingdoms by Brandon Mull! Amazing book series with pretty much exactly the trope you described, haha--
Regarding wreck it Ralph: Has anyone else wondered if king candy turns into a literal bug because he is a “bug“ in the software?
It's actually pretty weird that he became one of the bugs. Yes, they turn into what they eat, but imagine one of the characters like Ralph gets eaten by the bugs, and they become what King Candy did. XD
Anyways jk-
_glitchtrap decide what's running trough your mind_
Yeah I think it is, actually. Like, King Candy was said to be an original character in Sugar Rush, but Turbo came in and killed off the original character and took over him.
King Candy's data is fucked up, and the bug fighting him glitched onto himself, like how Venellope glitched and got it with him.
It is heavily implied that he became a virus once he crashed into that car when he invaded that second racing game.
I'm 90 percent sure that the story of Hero's Duty has Calhoun getting eaten by a Cy-Bug and becoming a boss that the player has to fight. Mostly because (a) why else would the coders have included that mechanic and (b) there's a different NPC giving the congrats and the medal.
Something about King Candy that I realized on a rewatch is that, since the bugs become what they eat, King Candy isn't from Sugar Rush, and he was eaten by the bugs; the bug King Candy was a bug with King Candy in it, and not King Candy turned into a bug. King Candy died by a bug, the bug that ate him turned into him, and this would explain why he was now suddenly attracted to the light,
Waternoose is such a good twist villain, that I always forget he's the villain.
Not to mention Waternoose was willing to make Randall, Mike, and Sulley mainly the latter two be the scapegoats for the conspiracy on kidnapping Boo when he hired the CDA just so he can continue doing his illegal activities hidden while at the same time leaving no witnesses. Eventually, Mike, Sulley and Boo outsmarted him when they trick him into the simulation room and Mike replays Waternoose's: _"I'll kidnap a thousand Children before I let this Company die!!"_ causing him to get arrested instead.
Other than that, most people ONLY remember Waternoose for his plot twist and his quote that got him arrested, but Randall seems to be the Pixar villain everyone will associate as the villain of the film, instead of Waternoose.
LIZZIE!!!
I had forgot it up until she mentioned it, even when she showed him I was still doubting it
Me too.
Not much of a fan of Waternoose. I love Randall more.
I do agree that Waternoose is a good twist villain though. Never knew he was truly evil.
Another cool detail about La Cruz was that the petal didn't light up when he was giving the blessing, because he wasn't family.
I believe in the movie that he never actually said “I give you my blessing” while holding the petal, and was just about to before hector came in
Fuzzywolfe Duck
Actually, when Mama Imelda gave the blessing, it lit up before she said that, and according to the accountant guy, the lighting up occurs when the family member holding the petal simply _looks_ at the one receiving the blessing (Miguel)
On the subject of Syndrome, his twist isn't that he was a "good guy" character revealed to be the villian, but rather he was the villian that no one knew existed until the big reveal. The story even plays off of this: he was a fan-one of the little guys-ignored and forgotten by everyone. His character wasn't important in the hero's story, and that becomes part his motivation. He isn't a twist villain, he just remained hidden and didn't reveal himself. Like a good villain should.
“Now you respect me...because I’m a threat.”
Yup. He wasn't a twist villain; he was twisted *into* a villain.
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I never minded the 180 personallity twist, in fact, I loved it. So much so i use it in my own stories and characters (I roleplay online with friends), and it works really well. To me, it showed "This character is done with wearing the carefully crafted mask they've built and no loger care if they're seen as they really are, a monster". It could either show desparation to acheve their goal, underestimating their opponent (the protagonists), or a strategic reveal. I've seen some crazy things and been friends with some crazy people, so believe me, the 180 shift is something that can happen with a person *if they're given a reason*. Think of Mother Gothel; she had a total personallity flip but it was because being nice wasnt working anymore. She still had the same goal and she was still the same person, but we were seeing a different side of them.
“It’s pretty clear to anyone who’s seen even a handful of Scooby-Doo episodes when the person is behind a MASK, it’s most likely it’s gonna be someone that you’ve already been introduced to.”
*(Shows the SINGLE episode when the reveal is someone we haven’t met before)*
Was it the real ghost or the supernatural crossover?
It was the real CULPRIT, if that’s what you meant.
@@thenorfnonly3486 it was a unknown person that did it. Odd
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