I have been using Thoma a lot in different teams. Mostly with my Wanderer to clear every stage at just below max score from the new combat event. Also used Thoma to 36 star the new Spiral Abyss as well.
Couple things I forgot to mention (as is tradition): - Moonpierecer is another F2P option for Thoma, this is a craftable weapon in Sumeru, however the weapon's effect does nothing helpful for a Burgeon team - That 1st chamber run defintiely did not have to be as close as it was, I definitely did some poor rotations and wasted Nahida's Ult at the end there. Easily could have 10+ seconds to spare. - I forgot to mention that IF you are going Favonius Lance on Thoma, then Crit Rate is needed for your substats for consistent weapon effect procs. - Bennett was a special case for Spiral Abyss only, I wouldn't normally recommend him normally because as you probably saw, he sometimes stole Burgeon reactions from Thoma. - Sorry again for having to use Nahida. For literally any content that isn't Spiral Abyss Floor 12 2nd Half, Dendro Traveler will be good enough Dendro application in most cases. It can be frustrating do the 2nd half without Nahida because of how much the Abyss Heralds move a lot. - Again, what to reiterate that this comp beat the 2nd half of Floor 12 with ease, my first half team was definitely struggling way more due to Consecrated beasts. - Hopefully you were able to see how much Burgeon damage Thoma was doing during the Spiral Abyss showcase, keep in mind the damage could be WAY higher as my Thoma is not built optimally (The purple circlet). He can also get additional EM buffs from teammates. My Thoma could definitely get 900-1000 EM easily resulting in a HUGE damage increase.
tbh though from experience i don't think DMC is a good Nahida subsitute for burgeon teams. i honestly hated using him/her for burgeon since it feels like it requires specific timing and it's also very environment dependant like be careful with enemies that can inflict pyro. Yaoyao and Collei honestly fit better in burgeon teams than DMC. of course with Yaoyao'a case you would probably play quickswap teams since she has to stay on field for her to work in burgeon.
@@usmanya5110 While it looks like Collei and Yaoyao apply way more Dendro then Dendro traveler, their ICDs unfortunately prevent them from being good choices. Yaoyao is still good because of her healing, and as you said, it can be a bit tricky to setup burgeons with her, but if using Xingqiu and Thoma's Fiery Collapse from his burst Yaoyao can be a decent option. But Dendro traveler is still better at applying Dendro than both.
@@calamitygenshinimpact1255yeah that's the problem when running Collei and Yaoyao their ICDs can be problem on burgeon teams. and even if DMC applies more than both. he's also somewhat a bit tricky to play burgeon because if the sprout gets hit by pyro either from you or an enemy that uses pyro attacks then that could mess things up alot. that's why i said it requires specific timing because if the sprout gets hit with Hydro or Electro first than you're golden.
Oh he's meant for dendro. a thoma main here since 2.8, got him at C5 (huhu), and my only triple crowned. he's never not in my team in the abyss ;). thanks for this guide!
10:30 It's just inefficient to farm the FLOP domain if you don't have wanderer. 4Flop is around a 5% increase(at least i've watched that says this) compared to 4 gilded and and I think 8% increase compared to 2pc 2pc.
@@calamitygenshinimpact1255 While I'm definitley happy that they added more artifact sets to stronghold some time ago, I'm hoping they continue to add artifacts to it. Maybe sometime in the future we'll see FLOP there. I'm personally waiting for Tenacity set to be added still.
i heard that Yanfei and Benny and to somewhat of an extent dehya are more used in burgeon teams due to the not needing as much er. though for Benny's case it's because of Kazuha also helping him too. Yanfei's interesting and Dehya well she feels so slow to proc at times. but other than that i absolutely love thoma burgeon. most of the time i play burgeon is with a hydro Carry(Ayato/Childe), Xingqiu as the Solo hydro, Driver Kokomi, Double Hydro can work as well if you're playing Baizhu or Yaoyao as the onfielders.
hey, i just wanna apologize for the comment i left about character levels (if u remember) i swear im so dumb and i just learned that 8 is not only associated with just luck in chinese but also ensinuates uh other bad stuff in american??western??? culture. and oh god i swear i just liked the number 8 and didnt mean anything else by it so- if you also didnt know, let this be a not so fun fact then, be wary of the number 8. i promise im not insane, just immensely awkward and live under a rock and have now realized why i get kicked out of coop sometimes...
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i love your thoma!! and you have r5 kitain. mine is at r4 hopefully i can get one more to get it r5. also who do you run as a Fav user to help your energy needs?
i got Thoma c6, 3 months ago and.... he is a solid sub-dps/support ngl (I use him with Yelan, Haizou or Nahida, etc.) I feel like he is pretty underrated but i got him c6 and maybe that's why i feel that way idk, he really feels nice Btw, when i got him, i hated the living... out of him because i got him 4 time in 40 wishes and people told me he is almost useless. Because of Thoma I didn't get Haizou (when he came for the first time). But after a few weeks I stated to see his potential.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:40 What is Burgeon
01:55 How to scale Burgeon Damage
03:40 Thoma's Talents
07:38 Weapon Options
09:48 Artifact Setups
14:10 Thoma's Constellations
15:51 Burgeon Team Comps
18:22 Spiral Abyss Showcase
24:33 Final Thoughts on Thoma
This is the best burgeon Thoma specific guide I've found so far 👍
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I have been using Thoma a lot in different teams. Mostly with my Wanderer to clear every stage at just below max score from the new combat event. Also used Thoma to 36 star the new Spiral Abyss as well.
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Couple things I forgot to mention (as is tradition):
- Moonpierecer is another F2P option for Thoma, this is a craftable weapon in Sumeru, however the weapon's effect does nothing helpful for a Burgeon team
- That 1st chamber run defintiely did not have to be as close as it was, I definitely did some poor rotations and wasted Nahida's Ult at the end there. Easily could have 10+ seconds to spare.
- I forgot to mention that IF you are going Favonius Lance on Thoma, then Crit Rate is needed for your substats for consistent weapon effect procs.
- Bennett was a special case for Spiral Abyss only, I wouldn't normally recommend him normally because as you probably saw, he sometimes stole Burgeon reactions from Thoma.
- Sorry again for having to use Nahida. For literally any content that isn't Spiral Abyss Floor 12 2nd Half, Dendro Traveler will be good enough Dendro application in most cases. It can be frustrating do the 2nd half without Nahida because of how much the Abyss Heralds move a lot.
- Again, what to reiterate that this comp beat the 2nd half of Floor 12 with ease, my first half team was definitely struggling way more due to Consecrated beasts.
- Hopefully you were able to see how much Burgeon damage Thoma was doing during the Spiral Abyss showcase, keep in mind the damage could be WAY higher as my Thoma is not built optimally (The purple circlet). He can also get additional EM buffs from teammates. My Thoma could definitely get 900-1000 EM easily resulting in a HUGE damage increase.
If Thoma is at c6 then he is one of Wanderer's best team mates.
tbh though from experience i don't think DMC is a good Nahida subsitute for burgeon teams. i honestly hated using him/her for burgeon since it feels like it requires specific timing and it's also very environment dependant like be careful with enemies that can inflict pyro. Yaoyao and Collei honestly fit better in burgeon teams than DMC. of course with Yaoyao'a case you would probably play quickswap teams since she has to stay on field for her to work in burgeon.
@@usmanya5110 While it looks like Collei and Yaoyao apply way more Dendro then Dendro traveler, their ICDs unfortunately prevent them from being good choices.
Yaoyao is still good because of her healing, and as you said, it can be a bit tricky to setup burgeons with her, but if using Xingqiu and Thoma's Fiery Collapse from his burst Yaoyao can be a decent option.
But Dendro traveler is still better at applying Dendro than both.
@@calamitygenshinimpact1255yeah that's the problem when running Collei and Yaoyao their ICDs can be problem on burgeon teams.
and even if DMC applies more than both. he's also somewhat a bit tricky to play burgeon because if the sprout gets hit by pyro either from you or an enemy that uses pyro attacks then that could mess things up alot. that's why i said it requires specific timing because if the sprout gets hit with Hydro or Electro first than you're golden.
Oh he's meant for dendro. a thoma main here since 2.8, got him at C5 (huhu), and my only triple crowned. he's never not in my team in the abyss ;). thanks for this guide!
Yeah, he's really good with Dendro for damage and shield break. He's still a pretty decent shielder if you still want to build him that way too.
10:30 It's just inefficient to farm the FLOP domain if you don't have wanderer. 4Flop is around a 5% increase(at least i've watched that says this) compared to 4 gilded and and I think 8% increase compared to 2pc 2pc.
Ok you right.
@@calamitygenshinimpact1255 While I'm definitley happy that they added more artifact sets to stronghold some time ago, I'm hoping they continue to add artifacts to it. Maybe sometime in the future we'll see FLOP there. I'm personally waiting for Tenacity set to be added still.
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i heard that Yanfei and Benny and to somewhat of an extent dehya are more used in burgeon teams due to the not needing as much er. though for Benny's case it's because of Kazuha also helping him too. Yanfei's interesting and Dehya well she feels so slow to proc at times.
but other than that i absolutely love thoma burgeon. most of the time i play burgeon is with a hydro Carry(Ayato/Childe), Xingqiu as the Solo hydro, Driver Kokomi, Double Hydro can work as well if you're playing Baizhu or Yaoyao as the onfielders.
Beidou is surprisingly better at breaking shields this abyss, but thoma provides better survivability
I thought Beidou would be good for the first half more than the second. Good to know.
hey, i just wanna apologize for the comment i left about character levels (if u remember) i swear im so dumb and i just learned that 8 is not only associated with just luck in chinese but also ensinuates uh other bad stuff in american??western??? culture. and oh god i swear i just liked the number 8 and didnt mean anything else by it so- if you also didnt know, let this be a not so fun fact then, be wary of the number 8. i promise im not insane, just immensely awkward and live under a rock and have now realized why i get kicked out of coop sometimes...
First! also the electro bat got a nerf, FeelsGoodMan
It did?
@@calamitygenshinimpact1255 either that, or we are killing it so fast now it does not have time to teleport everywhere anymore lol
I'm suprised youtube recommended me your content. It seems nice though. I think you might want to add some background music to your guides but idk for sure. I'm just some random on the internet.
i love your thoma!! and you have r5 kitain. mine is at r4 hopefully i can get one more to get it r5. also who do you run as a Fav user to help your energy needs?
Dendro Traveler, for the Abyss run Bennett was the battery, he wasn't using a Fav Sword, but his elemental skill is spammable.
I wanna play burgeon thoma but im gonna wait until hes c4 (c2 atm)
Take some of my Thoma. I got him C20 trying to get Eula. Rip.
i got Thoma c6, 3 months ago and.... he is a solid sub-dps/support ngl (I use him with Yelan, Haizou or Nahida, etc.)
I feel like he is pretty underrated but i got him c6 and maybe that's why i feel that way idk, he really feels nice
Btw, when i got him, i hated the living... out of him because i got him 4 time in 40 wishes and people told me he is almost useless. Because of Thoma I didn't get Haizou (when he came for the first time). But after a few weeks I stated to see his potential.
Yeah Burgeon is what made Thoma amazing.
Staring at my paradise lost that has HP substats. 🥹