Why Everyone is Angry about PlayStation Classic | Nostalgia Nerd
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2018
- Well, ok, not EVERYONE is angry, but most are, and I think it's down to the principle of the matter more than anything else. So, Sony have recently launched their Playstation Classic Mini console, and it's not unfair to say that reception has been cold. That's not to say that it's a total pile of crap, and you can have a lot of fun with it. But looking through the firmware source code, it's clear there were games on Sony's agenda, which may have made it into the Classic, but didn't. These hidden Playstation classic games will feature in this video, along with the reasons why I think we can be annoyed with Sony over their latest console (and why we also shouldn't really give a crap).
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![[OLD] The PlayStation Classic - Caddicarus](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qczn1t9rOu0/mqdefault.jpg)
this feels like if nintendo made an n64 classic without mario
:)
@Pyroman / goldeneye might not bcus of licensing, same goes for rare games
I'm assuming you are talking about Spyro.
@@1035TheIce no hes probably talking about crash bandicoot
@@otherlego another classic!
"It was kinda rushed and thrown together to get in in stores for Christmas."
The modern gaming industry, simplified.
This has been a norm since the dawn of video games. Hell, even the infamous ET game was made in only about 5 weeks because Atari wanted to release it in time for Christmas.
@@SgtZaqq I would say, back then, it was the exception and not the rule. Now, however...
At least they've made the built-in DRM on this machine half-assed as well, lol. But such a corner-cutting low-end (and poorly-used) hardware spec that anyone capable of building better will indeed build better rather than bother with hacking too deeply into this unit.
Achivement Unlocked: *Getting an Upgrade*
It's Sony go-to model :D
Not even Sony could be bothered to write their own ps1 emulator....
They actually have one, which is used on the PS3.
Which makes this all the more baffling.
they did - for Xperia Play. they fucked up royally as it never supported audio tracks.. :/
'cough' its Bleem, the first PSX emulator for x86-Arch Systems. The original PSX Emulator from Sony itself is called PopsLoader and is used in the PSP, because of the MIPS CPU inside.
they also couldn't be bothered to put more games on it
as a software developer myself, I try not to pirate software... but these people give the fans no choice
When a comment starts with 'As a...' you know what they are going to say and you know it's not true 😂
William Haynes I have no choice to buy this luxury good I have no need for 😂😂😂
As far as I'm concerned, if I can no longer get the game retail I'm getting it from wherever I can.
CnPx when a comment starts with "when a comment starts with" you almost certainly know, it's gonna be a ridiculous overgeneralization.
i plunk everything i cant get my hands on. fuck limited print
Sony 1998: sues company for creating and selling PS1 emulator
Sony 2018: uses an emulator made by another company to make a commercial prodruct
Here's a fun fact: rumour has it SCEA hired the Bleem! guy to work on the PS2's PS1 emulation.
ahahaha 1993: SONY steals NIntendo's plans for a Disc console
@@otrowilson That's not how it happened.
Rember kids, its just piracy if you do it to sony, not the other way around. That said, I'm going back to my raspberry ;-)
@@Polarwolf91 bleem wasn't pirated at all, they reverse engineered the PS1s bios to make their emulator so they didn't use any of Sonys property and you could only play real discs and no rom files. That's why Sony lost.
Sony: Makes PS1 Classic
Also Sony: *Doesnt include Parapa the rapper*
exactly
i will never buy this only because of that.
And a lot of classics too, like Crash Bandicoot...can't blame people who pirate this console, it's just asking to be opened up and tinkered with!
Also Sony: Isnt gay
@@MrJayel27 I, too, believe in a world where corporations have no sexualities.
@@8cb724 You failed to even interpret that properly, let alone the "Nuclear Throne" Nevermind eh dickhead hahahaha.....sigh
In the 90's: Doing absolutely everything to get rid of jaggies
2019: Get these filters out of here and show me jagged edges.
I Want Both Kinds Of PS1 3D Models
no crash bandicoot, no sale to me
Why sony cant pick the best games
crash bandicoot plays fine on mine. Look up autobleem.
Maybe they weren't looking to pinpoint the homosexual side of the market
@@retrogaming7581 They picked some of the best games... and a lot of meh... Looks like compromise to me. GTA, Resident evil, and Final Fantasy VII are on there, which are 3 of my favorite games from the original playstation. Not everyone will have the same favorites though, and theres much better games than the games they chose.
Speaking of spiro, I played the hell out of that on a demo disc. I think it came with it? Came with something.
@error 27 i never liked the collect some shit games.
Sony rushing a PlayStation into production to release before Christmas....talk about reliving the 90’s lmfao
And we should all be grateful for Socialist Party's Inejiro Asanuma's assassination televised live during a debate. For without that, we may have not even had the Playstation due to corporate interests not taking precedent. Thanks Otoya Yamaguchi!
This has honestly been every system - and it gets worse over time. Now PS3-4 were "rushed" five years before games were ready for it.
@@TonyTheTGR that's every system tbh, rushed tech before devs really had the skills and funds to make games for it(except nintendo to a extent after gamecube) XD
@@darsparx The saddest thing is that GOOD quality emulation with 1st party support on PC and the MODERN consoles with wide releases, could become a significant cash cow....if they would stop wasting time on doing rushjobs to outcompete eachother.
I mean at this stage we can soon expect the "next gen consoles" to be announced without it being more then an increasingly PC esque design, and with games no longer supporting the original "current gen" consoles but only the high end models and the new tiers of consoles.
Fk me, give this 10 years to fester and games compatability on consoles will be like pc gaming in the 90s and 00s....
@@Elenrai yeah....at this point 4k is kinda unnecessary to me and if I'm playing a game not running at 60fps , I'd be hard pressed to believe it was or wasn't. I doubt many can tell the difference since most cheap stuff that supports it doesn't support it as well as it claims supposedly
I think I'll just keep my PS2 with the ability to play every PS1 game.
MrRenegadeshinobi Until disk rot gets them... :(
and that dying laser.
i keep mine too. Sure it has no HDMI output for PS1 titles but if you really are into retrogaming you HAVE a Cathode Ray Tube Television anyway. NO input lag is best input lag.
@@justsomeguy8385 They still sell replacement lasers all over ebay. Same with PS1 lasers!
@@MatthewPherigo That's a bonus with a modchipped PS1/PS2, when the originals rot I can still play the games.
Combine that with new lasers you can buy on eBay, you'll be playing these games forever!
For copy protected PS1 games I've made some tools online recently that can convert SBI emulator patches back to CloneCD + .SUB dump files you can burn.
It's called SBITools and it's on github. (ok fuck I admit I might have been paranoid about copy protected ps1 games rotting)
SO UR TELLING ME IT COULD'VE HAD PARAPPA BUT THEY DROPPED IT? I SAW THAT LIST. 🔫🔫
Lime green squirt gun
@@haijehiemstra2883 orange water gun
@@kingpanguan i have an older os so mines still a gun lmao
@@Suukisan what version? I have emui 9.2 (pi)
@@kingpanguan plebs, I'm using a Linux emulator running on a Mac running windows
The bad frame pacing from the mismatch of 50hz to a 60hz display was so noticeable during the GTA footage. That would just get nauseating to look at very quickly.
Not everyone is angry about it - my gran doesn't know anything about it
She soon will, I'm on the phone to her.
@@Nostalgianerd Worst adult chat line........ever
But she will have a bad impression of what the PS1 was!
She is already over it
My gran is kicking off about it, she's fucking furious
So this is essentially an emulator with a PlayStation 1 shell?
@NTSCollector-J
That really sucks to hear. I thought everyone was crapping on it because the game selection wasn't very good and, quite frankly, some people just crap on certain things because others are doing it. It's easy views but here, I can totally understand why.
Nick 46 They recently released one which is a ‘mini arcade’ style system and there was previously another called the neo geo x but IIRC the latter at least was bad.
@NTSCollector-J With legally licensed games. You are breaking the law whenever you use an emulator.
They use the same emulater you can download for a raspberry pie without the limitation to 20 games. Theere are enough easy tutorials to build your very own playstation classic for the same amount of money and some patience. THey can't even blame people when they do it!
@@Geotpf if i have games on psn or disk, i don't
Why would you want pads in scale with the console? Would you also like to play it in a tiny TV? While eating tiny nachos? smh
Also tiny resolution. No, not 640x480, I'm talking about 400x300.
…I want tiny nachos now, but like a ton of them
it was a very obvious fuckin joke
there is a Zoolander reference in that comment somewhere
@@comradesky5931 i know right
Without Gran Turismo what's the point?
This one really confuses me, because it can't be licensing that's the problem - GT is Sony's own production.
@@sireuchre - Well, one half Sony, one half Polyphony Digital, who are at least nominally separate. Perhaps PD thought including GT (or preferably, GT2) would somehow eat into sales of GT Sport on the PS4 or something?! Even though there's been sufficient evolution and gain/loss of features over the intervening three and a half games that they're now very different experiences from each other in most regards.
This is literally why I have no interest in the console at all... Its not a sony experience at all without Gran Turismo... or Gran Turismo 2....I think Ill stick with my upscaled ps1 games on my pc
@@TahreyUK Wouldn't this possible drive sales for people like me that never played the old stuff to then buy a new PS4? I still have a PS3 that I rarely turn on. Just saying is all people keep acting like it hurt sales of new games...LOL Yeah man those graphics are going to be a deciding factor when faced with Retro or the new title..I'd buy both, honestly it's not going to hurt sales of modern games.
@@sireuchre No, licensing is completely the problem. They would have to get the licenses again from all the of the vehicle manufactures, advertisers, music industry, racing teams, etc. Those licenses only last a certain amount of time, and I doubt it carries over for 20+ years.
You dont even need a PS Classic... just get a PSP off Ebay or something. Those can play PSP games as well as PS1, and the slim systems have video out.
Also the bastards excluded Klonoa on the system.
So they downloaded roms and an emulator, and put it on a Raspberry Pi
Then they sold it for $99...
Except they limited the games to 20 while DIY will give you access to all.
Not quite. If it was a Raspberry Pi, you'd be able to use wireless Bluetooth controllers. But you're partially right... the CPU is in the same ARM Cortex family (a Cortex A35 @ 1.2 GHz, actually; the fastest model of Raspberry Pi, the 3B+, uses a Cortex A53 @ 1.4 GHz.)
@A Gentleman Grand Theft Auto looks unplayable on the Playstation Classic. Holy fuck
Because people bitch about literally everything, and especially shit they never had any intention of getting in the first place?
@@lilyflower6265 To be real, we don't know where they got the disc images from and they did use an existing emulator.
The best part is that the hardware is some thing built using scrap Samsung parts for probably a few bucks at most.
Waiting for the Dreamcast mini.
If that was released I'd imagine it would win this mini console war lol
I love my Retro Pi, but I'd totally buy a Dreamcast mini
Bring it on - Want One!
Though that sounds great, lets go one at a time; We have yet to get a one for the SEGA Saturn yet.
If do make Saturn mini, I hope they call it a "Titan"...that would work in more ways than one.
If it has a built in broadband adapter with Dreamcast Live DNS settings I'd take two.
Not if Nintendo drops the 64 Classic
When Gamer Nexus did a teardown on this I was almost expecting to find a Raspberry Pi inside...
To be honest, a Pi would have been better than this
LGR did a video of him doing that, the raspberry pie ran the emulated games pretty well
I was expecting this comment to say "I wasn't surprised he found a Pi inside" - that's how much I was assuming it to be a Pi.
I'll stick to my original ps1 and my collection of games from the charity shop lol
Wow yeah. Go retro....but if you had brain cells you’d run those games at even higher res, better quality on an emulator.
Warframe Enthusiast fuck off they don’t, once they use an emulator, they prefer that. I have the old hardware, emulating is way better. Higher res, faster etc,,,,
@@hanniffydinn6019 i got launchbox big box mode fully decked out just the way i like it and play most my retro in that fashion even though i have legit hardware.that being said its not the same across the board. not all emulators are perfected and real hardware has no lag etc... that being said i think everdrives are a must own if you have those systems and play on og hardware.
My fuckin PS1 BROKE
You mean your collection of FIFA's, Pool games and Who Wants to be a Millionaire? Lol
No Spyro? No Crash? No Driver? Waste of money!
Sony cheesed me off when they removed Linux from the ps3
They did it because it was being used for piracy :-(((
If you mod your PS3 to put Linux in it they can't stop you
The fact that they chose Ridge Racer over Gran Turismo/Gran Turismo 2 still baffles me.
Good thing we can hack it
Aaron Ridge Racer Type 4 is really good though
@@DuelmasterX3 Gran turismo 2 or 1 is better the simulation and the sounds of the car is good
Retro Gaming Eh that’s debatable, but whatever.
Ridge Racer 4 over the original, more like...
In case any of you aren't aware, all PS3s are backwards-compatible with the original Playstation. They removed the PS2 compatibility after the initial launch runs, but they left the PS1 compatibility in on every system. So if you have a PS3 you already have a system that can play PS1 games through HDMI, and they'll work a lot better there then they will on the Classic. You'll have to find the game discs yourself, though.
The PS1 games on PSN also cost next to nothing as well, and the selection is a hell of a lot better than what is on this thing. It actually has most of the games people consider classics.
The first ps3 has a built in ps2.
Not all games work though. Games from 1995 and 1996 don't work.
The reason they left the PS1 compatibility is because it was software-based emulation. It wasn't costing Sony anything extra to include it, whereas the PS2 emulation essentially required them to pack a PS2 onto the same circuitboard. When they found out that most people didn't buy a PS3 to play PS2 games, they removed the PS2 hardware to save money so that they weren't losing money with every console sold.
@@SpearM3064 And also lowered the risk of the console bricking.
You can't pop in a CD ?, -no wonder everyone is mad.
Which means no point including Monster Rancher...
I can't use my existing collection? Aw shit, guess I'll just keep playing it on my PS2 and PS3, as planned in the first place.
2:36 "Greetiiiiings, and welcome to an LGR thing" every time
With a duke nukem-ish voice of course!
Also worth adding is RetroArch has an absolutely banging PSX core that can convert 4:3 aspect to widescreen. Playing MGS, Ridge Racer and Ace Combat in 16:9 is really something to behold. The only times it fails is on games with pre-rendered CG backgrounds. I hope Sony either reverse engineers their implementation for Pops or licenses the tech. It's that stunning. Similar to PCSX2's hacked widescreen which is also amazing.
PCSX2's widescreen hack is indeed awesome, almost funny. Some games will run better on a triple monitor setup @ 5760x1080.
Sony will never spend more time/money then they have to.
Was is so hard to make a poll for which games the fans "remembered" the most?
Are people at sony stupid? Even having a custom board with a microsd card slot say for people wanting to mod it would be better than this. Like with bethesda if you cant make a good product at least let modders make it better for you.
Right, but because people expected great games coming from an era when the PS1 is awesome, it would be super easy to add all the top sellers and series. Apparently Sony found this is more difficult to do. Licenses is one thing and time consuming paperwork is just too wasteful to just put one game into this mini. Also their choice of emulation is surprising since they do have their own form of software emulation which they could use instead (perhaps porting it onto an ARM processor may also be a suspect to this).
They also missed out an opportunity with the SD card functionality. That would've made it all the more sweet if those memory slots were functional. That way, more game ROMS and some modding would've at least make this console far more appealing.
Right now modders are at it and it's pretty impressive with its development.
Grandpa Scout
Pcsx-rearmed is pretty old and still lacks a lot of support of specific hardware gimmicks which are needed by some games. Front Mission 3 comes to mind, it will constantly corrupt and freeze when entering battles because of a difference in how x86 handles the math thats used in the psx gpu afaik. I mean its a good emulation but i never had consistent results with it, one time it would work perfectly and two month later it would be glitchy or have lag spikes or something.
Many of the most remembered PS1 games either have or are getting remasters. That's likely why they're not included.
They'd more likely set those bestsellers up for remasters spyro ignited style rather than through this cash grab.
@The Lavian what screw up?
It's a nostalgic cash grab for the sake of it. No soul at all.
Much like Jeremy Clarkson.
Nostalgia Nerd But at least Clarkson did punch Piers Morgan that one time. Can Sony say the same?! I thought not.
Youth has no soul. It has all been forgotten. Just like the fallen.
Collectors item. Going to cry about it like every bitch made youtuber then don't buy it.
nobody cares
get a life you morons
“They have included two, which is clearly better than one”
Wow, this guy is brilliant.
Really
Dahhh
you can bodge together your own selection better on retroarch with less ghastly blue menu system
It’s probably sold out though, just to all the TH-camrs who bought one to bitch about.
Nope. Amazon still has it in stock and has had it in stock since release. Could be the 2 star rating it has on there perhaps.
I think I’ll stick to my Emulators...
to be honest I am glad I am sticking with my raspberry pi for the emulation
EvilMadness or just get a ps2 with ps1 backwards compbatibility, or ps3 with the same thing
@@SlavicUnionGaming Why though? The emulator provides the superiour experience in pretty much any way imaginable. Not to mention that setting up a PS2 nowadays can be a pain in the ass.
Not to mention not giving a dime to Sony.
@@SlavicUnionGaming "I'll stick to emulators"
"or just get a ps2"
Talk about giving him a more expensive, more complicated, and redundant option...
No Tony hawk games?
4:30 "FINAL FANTANSY" oh my god guys.
"FINAL_FANTANSY_DICS_3_US", even.
Why Everyone is Angry about PlayStation Classic?
Because Sony simply made it as a cash grab.
Michael O'Keefe Isn’t that the whole point of the minis in the first place?
...or any product.
@@BigK13372 While yes, obviously all products are to make money. When people call something a "cash grab" I think they are referring to when a company makes a sub-optimal product taking very little TLC, just to cash-in on people being gullible. With these retro consoles they are playing on nostalgia which is fine if its a good polished product, but when even their own past products (PSP, PSVita, PS3) can do a vastly superior job, then people have a right to be upset.
The fact Sony chose an open source emulator, something which not so long ago they were trying to kill off unofficial emulation, it just becomes even more ironic.
Alex Atkin That’s actually why I usually find minis in general to be a cash grab. Honestly I see no reason in getting them when I can play near perfect emulations of the games I want via the Virtual Consoles, PS Classic or a game collection (all of which from the 6th and 7th generation of gaming). I mean the only reason to get those things is either lack of availiability to play the classic game or just want to be able to play old games in HD.
All the Playstation Classic (man that name will confuse it with the built in emulation in the PS3) does was cement how these things are just exploiting on nostalgia for a rather subpar method of emulating the games (that and the Neo Geo Mini . . . seriously SNK and Capcom are guilty of exploiting nostalgia).
Every rehash of old hardware is just a cash grab. It's just that some companies know how to make quality rehashes and some don't
They could not do driver. Kids these days would not have the patience for that tutorial lmao
Not that many of us did back then lol. I felt over qualified afterwards !
Ah the good ol' days.
@@Slider2732 like australian motorcycle learners courses
On PC you can open the code and delete the tutorial level. Skips you straight to the game with no bugs.
I didn't had it back then either. Not until last year thanks to TH-cam I was able to see how the game missions look like. So many wasted hours in that shitty tutorial....
I'll just keep my original PSone along with the blue and green controllers, the one that came out in 2000.
i still have my big ben rip off controller lol
A penis shaped controller.
Sorry is that you trying to make out youre some kind of badman because you have gay looking controllers for your console?
@@MrJayel27 can't gay people be badmen...?
@@RWL2012 Not if theyve got gay looking controllers no lol
"maybe it's best they didn't include that one"
How dare you, PS1 Hagrid is the sexiest being alive
Yes
Real PSX= $20 and a selection of the entire Library.
PSX Classic= $100 and limited to the 20 built in games.
It's not 20 dollars anymore if you have to pay more for games.
The problem is the hardware of real PSX is too old and you have more chance to have more problems if it doesn't work (repair) like Dreamcast
@@edenlord1365 Just use PCSX and call it a day. It works really well.
@@MJ-uk6lu yes I know :)
Just use an extra PS3, don't even need the original console.
What's the point? Get a PSTV for $40 on eBay and download PS1 games from the PSN with near perfect emulation. You get the added bonus of being able to play Vita and PSP games too. Hack it with H-Encore for some more fun.
I see you are a man of culture. ;D
Yeah but normal people don't know about that so they'll spend $100, play on it once and it'll go in the "Stuff" pile with every other impulse buy, and there it will stay until it all goes in the dump.
Or use emulation on PC.
Run better than original and its 100% free
@@RelyingWOrld1 They run better and it's 100% free, until a policeman bursts in and drags you to court for using it.
It probably never will happen. But it might.
>not just downloading mednafen and every rom you want for $0.00
>pretending buying a used device will benefit your sacred muh developers anyway
>pretending policemen serve copy protection cases and it's not a court order
>pretending you'll ever be court ordered over downloading some ROMs online
>pretending you can't just rip the ISOs off of physical copies if you give a shit
>still pretending like it's 2004
>2019-1
What setting did you use on the PCSX at 1203 to make the right side look so good??
"I'd suggest you to moan the night away""...""BUT NOT LIKE THAT"
Meh, I'll just wait for the PS4 Classic!
Maybe the PS4 Pro Classic.
They should make a super emulator to cover everything from PS1 through PS10 ;)
Considering the PS9 is just going to inject itself into your mind, that shouldn't be so much of an issue.
^^^ Ha-ha-ha .... I knew it's coming, thanks for the heads up! :D
@Cypher While consoles were huge in the 90 and 2000s, after 2010 PC gaming has gotten so much better.
So the C64 mini is crap, the PS classic is crap, the Spectrum retro thingy is crap, I’m starting to see a pattern emerging.
The Mega Drive Classic is crap, anything produced by AT-Games is crap. The only decent retro consoles so far are the two by Nintendo.
Glad I’ve still got most my old consoles. Time to start thinking about an all in one, maybe it’s time to learn Raspberry Pi
@@TheSemtexCow The Retron ones seem to be good.
Thanks I’ll look it up
@@myregardstothedodo5801 No they're not, they're a buggy mess and their software is based of an unlicensed version of the opensource emulator retroarch.
"...and it's a shame as I'd love a collection of mini-cd-based games."
*CRIES IN UMD*
"alright then let's get down to business
And try to hack this son of a bi***"
I lost it lmao
The problem is performance. We are so used to 30 fps minimum, that anything lower than that we consider almost unplayable now. This thing plays WORSE than a real PS1. Not good for nostalgia casuals to play this and think, wow Tekken was slow as shit.
Tekken was slow as shit back in the day
@@chooky4626 hahaha Seriously though, I never got the appeal of Tekken as the controller latency always seemed to be insane. I'd get my face pummeled because I was pushing buttons and nothing was happening. I don't believe the Arcade version was any better either.
I second Ouchies, I played the physical version of Tekken on PS1 a couple of months ago for a video and it is one of the slowest fighting games ever made.
I still have my original copy of Tekken 2 and damn was it a pain to play compared to later titles. I just couldn't get into playing any of the ps1 era Tekken games back then and still can't get into playing them now.
@@chooky4626
tekken 3 runs 60 fps tho(sometimes) on original hardware
I'll buy one for $40-$50 if someone manages to hack it and fix all the performance issues and finds a way to add other games.
Mostly for the cool shell and nice looking gamepads because i've got better ways to play these games as do most people.
but... you could get a real ps1 for that, maybe even the ps1 and a component to hdmi cable
@@aria8928 It's true and the irony is that I do have an original console and almost all of the games listed. I'd still get one for the cool factor though - i've never been that pleased with the psone emulator performance on retropie and if I wanted to take it travelling etc with a few hundred games loaded on it, that would be very convenient. Easily worth $50 to me. :)
And yes, I do have a hacked PSP too before you mention it but it doesn't have hdmi out! Lol
@@MB20978 th-cam.com/video/zJ0vJe9iKyY/w-d-xo.html
@@MB20978 : Yeah, same here. I have some old consoles, but I wouldn't mind getting the mini versions anyway just as collectors items.
That'd be kinda pointless because the controllers aren't dual stock, so there'll be a ton of games you can't play even if you do manage to get them into the classic.
someone know the name of the race game in 12:09 ? it was the first game i've played in playstation 1 but i have no idea what her name was, it's probably something that i know the name of but i don't realise thats the actual game i played when i was kid.
"You've probably seen and heard everything wrong with this" Nope, never even heard of this console until now but now I have to go hunt to find out what you're talking about.
Yes, I'm watching this and have no idea about Playstation games, much less emulated Playstation games, and yet here we are.
Looking forward to seeing how cheap they are in January! Great vid btw, really enjoyed it!
I am already seeing these ps classics at inflated prices in marketplaces like offerup and facebook marketplace for 140 - 160.
@NTSCollector-J no a intection molded case is not 8-10 dollars the retroflag nespi case is churned out for around 30cents to a dollar a piece
@Critical Unity funny its almost as if he wanted to get a playstation classic and not a raspberry pi
by your logic he should just get a poptart instead of a raspberry pi seen as were buying things that arnt what we want
@NTSCollector-J If it sucks balls then they will drop the price since they're already losing money.
@NTSCollector-J not really LGR manged to make another version of it that cost 20$ cheaper
Hmm a vita TV cost less and works much better... or a psp if you want that "Sony feel", otherwise anything else is better, even a raspberry pi.
Your point about the PS1 era not aging well is dead on.
It wasnt the era. Just the PS1. The Nintendo 64 aged like Halle Berry
Joshua Son won’t disagree with that. At the very least with first party games.
Your background music reminded me of L.A. Noir and how amazing that game's atmosphere was. God I hope they make a sequel! Thanks though, good video. I have extra Rpi's lying around though, I'll go that route if I want to emulate.
I remember awhile back I watched a video from LGR about a PS1 emulator that allowed you to play PS1 games on your PC. If I remember correctly Clint sayed that Sony sued the company for making it and Sony said that they will never like "Emulators". So then why did they pick an opensource Emulator other than making their own emulator?
Because Sony Computer Entertainment are a morally corrupt bunch of jerks, and have been pretty much since the company's inception?
@@TahreyUK Not really Sony is an innovative company that has given us a few good things over the past 40 years that we now take for granite or became super popular. Some of the things are: the Sony Walkman portable cassette player, the Compact Disk(CD), DVDs, Blu-Ray, The Playstation consoles, and a few others. Without Sony we today would't have Portable music devices that everyone has and uses on a daily bases.
michael1234252 what you said and what tahrey said are not mutually exclusive, and I would say they're both rather accurate
@@TahreyUK Right and Nintendo didn't do these same exact things including trying a laws suite against game genie just cause they felt you cheating was cutting into there licencing of NES games.
@@Skimblshanks Oh, Nintendo doesn't have a thing on Sony's bad behavior.
"On 31 October 2005, tech security expert Mark Russinovich published his discovery on his blog about a piece of spyware, known as a rootkit, that secretly installed itself on his computer. He concluded that the rootkit was connected to the proprietary music player that was included in Sony music CDs. The hidden rootkit program was used to spy on users and their listening habits, and share that information with Sony, as well as prevent other third party audio programs from reading the disk.
In the process of spying, the rootkit created additional security flaws which opened the doors for other, more malicious attacks. Even if users detected the rootkit, safely uninstalling it without damaging their computer was another problem.
In total, the rootkit was loaded onto roughly 25 million CDs and infected more than 550,000 networks in more than one hundred countries, including thousands of US military and defence networks."
source: fsfe.org/activities/drm/sony-rootkit-fiasco.en.html
It's the same parent company as Sony, the video game company.
Not to mention... paying $100 for an open source emulator???
it's especially silly when on a good day you can pick up an actual ps1 for half that
@Michael Miller Millennial much?
I pay a lot more than $100 per month for open source software. It's not the source code I am paying for...
@Michael Miller I have every single PS1 game published (in the US) on the same emulator... I paid exactly zero. If you think it's a better deal, go for it. Hahaha
You're paying for a complete hardware-software solution, packaging, warehousing, distribution and margin. Out of these, just the emulator is free. What's there not to understand?
11:09 Which game is that? Also what about the one at 11:32 and the one at 11:46?
Making a PS classic is like making a DiscMan classic. Could you imagine an MP3 player, shaped like a discman with 20 random albums from 1995 on it?
Chances are you'd like 1 or 2, maybe even have a fondness for a few more, but mostly you'd have a bunch of music that you have very little interest in.
The PS1 had very few "must have games" and a lot of games that would be a personal favorite. It would be hard to find an analog to Mario 64, or Zelda OoT on the PS1.
Sony, you bloody wankers.
That is THE perfect comment. Love it.
WHO DOESNT HEART A COMMENT LIKE THIS?
@ed champagne Totally.
Oh my fucking good God damn golly how fucking well put god damn this is weak.
I'll just continue to purchase 2nd hand PS1 and PS2 games and play them on my black PS2 slim SPCH-20000 model with a pink memory card and controller.
Good choice.
@NTSCollector-J good to know
+NTSCollector-J I didn't know what exact scph model number my slim ps2 was so I just put that there so thanks for correcting me.
That's also the approach I took. Got my SCPH-70004 in as new condition with two pads, two memory cards and five games (all genuine) for ~$30. All I had to do was find the color matching PS1 memory card and I was ready to go ;)
It’s the pink memory card that’s the most important in that set-up; they provide the screen smoothing effect and +2Mhz.
What's that shooter game with 3 people on the bottom @11:06?
Everyone keeps forgetting that Sony only cares about Sony.
That's true. I used to think sony was OK before they shut down Playstation home. It kills my heart that they would throw away a game that their developers spent so much time and effort into making and keeping it up-to-date. I really hope they will revive it someday with all inventory items and purchases returning. But knowing sony that most likely will never happen.
Oh, we didn't forget....
@Gabriel Rocha A quick cash grab for their wallets....
@@Walter_ Are you serious? Sony dropped something like 40 million developing Home. They funded it for years even as it lost them profit. They kept the doors open much longer than any other company would have.
Of course they do. All corporations are like that though. LMAO
Before I forget. Here's a list of the Playstation Classic games:
NTSC Games;
Destruction Derby
Final Fantasy 7
Intelligent Qube
Metal Gear Solid
Mr Driller
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
Rayman
Resident Evil Director's Cut
Revelations: Persona
R4 Ridge Racer Type 4
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo
Syphon Filter
Twisted Metal
Wild Arms
PAL Games;
Grand Theft Auto
Cool Boarders 2
Battle Arena Toshinden
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Tekken 3
Jumping Flash
Missing Games (from Firmware Dump);
Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider 2
Xevious 3D
Tomba
Ray Storm
Medievil
Kula World
Klonoa Door to Phantamile
Harry Potter and the Philiosophers Stone
Grand Theft Auto 2
Fighting Force
Ehrgeiz
Driver
Disney's Toy Story 2
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Colin Mcrae Rally
Parasite Eve
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Figher Ex Plus
Suikoden
Spec Ops Stealth Patrol
Saga Frontier
Vagrant Story
XI
Ridge Racer
Persona
Pacapaca
Mega MAM
Medal of Honor
Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver
Kagero
Jumping Flash
Gran Turismo
G Darius
Chocobobs
Armored Core Master of Arena
Arc the Lad
Wild Arms 2
I may have missed some, I literally just wrote all I could seek out from the code.
No wipeout? :'(
I was also expecting that the pal games were chosen because of language selection, but then why is tekken 3 a pal version while mgs, ff7and resident evil are not. That makes no sense! Also as rayman is ntsc, its not as they got it in the original coding version. So more likely imo is, thats the first version they found of the game in their *cough* archive. Poor execution everywhere.
@@MrInvinciblewarrior That's a possibility. But I can't even bring myself to believe that they executed that level of laziness. If they did. then it's so ridiculous, I may have new found respect for them.
I'll say it. The games list doesn't look that bad to me. I loved some of those games. Sure most "classic mini" consoles pack HUNDREDS of games, but how many do you actually play?
Honestly I'm more interested in purchasing one now that I know it's kinda busted, buying games that probably going to be resold forever in similar looking case is boring, it's why I bought the C64 mini and SNK NEOGEO mini they are odd and probably won't be sold in this form again playing games older than I am and playing with a tiny cab is interesting, playing these games on competent hardware would be no fun but diagnosing and looking for problems sounds way more worth it
It boggles my mind that Rainbow Six is on this. Like three people in the world played tha PS1 "port" of the game. The only reason it's there is because R6 Siege is popular.
That was actually one of my favorite games back then... Just not on this controller. Surprise they didn't port lone wolf
Siege is popular? Is it Ghost81? Is it?
@@lvclix I guess I could say it "was " popular when they greenlit production of the the PS Classics.
Michael Augello Siege has a very healthy population on PS4 _and_ PC. It's easily the most popular competitive fps released in the last 5 years, correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of another.
Siege just released the fourth _free_ content drop of the third year of updates, last week. The support from Ubi has been, just, really unexpected, and nice.
But yeah, before you accuse me, I am biased as fuck. I love Siege, and I've never stayed interested in a competitive fps for this long straight.
I had the unfortunate experience of playing the original Rainbow Six on PC before on the PSX, what a let down that port was
For anyone after a good retropie case the "Flirc gen2" is great, looks clean and modern and has a built in heat sink in the lid.
4:44 -Klonoa door to Phantomile was listed...
Why didn't they include that?!
EDIT:
And Kula World!
And Tomba!
Man, who was in charge of selecting the games?!
Hagrid looks like if a Shambler from Quake is wearing his skin @ 4:58.
Hahahaha, hilarious.
Thank you nostalgia nerd for being the first person to correctly understand how PAL affects timing conversion in emulation.
It wouldn't be so bad if the thing adjusted its output to 50Hz and 576p when playing them, and left the job of fitting that to the panel's resolution and update rate to the TV or monitor itself... or at least just optionally ran the emulated console at 6/5ths of original speed, which should be entirely within the chipset's capabilities, and cropped off any additional active scanlines (I think the PSX can go as high as 256p/512i? Which isn't much over 240p/480i really... not enough to lose anything important enough to place a little inside the overscan area, anyway).
It's the slapdash internal conversion to 60Hz (and I presume either 720p or 1080p, rather than 480p) that really screws it, as you've then not only got slowdown in the poorly adapted games, but also standards-conversion judder, and probably a bit of low quality pixel scaling too.
What's the game being played at 12:21 ? it looks like a turn based combat game I played when I was a kid and can't for the life of me remember the name of.
it's wild arms
I modified my PsClassic but where can I find the games?
Minimum work done, I have an emulator on my PC where I can play games from the original disk or from an ISO. Really don't get the appeal of these retro consoles.
They are simply collector items of gifts; You can play PS1 games on PS1, PS2 PS3, PSP, PS Vita, PS TV, Xperia Play and a shitload of other different devices; No one in their right mind would buy a PS Classic because they want to play PS1 games;
Some people dont want to have to know how to do all that. They just want to plug something into the TV. They also want the tactile experience and a visual representation of the original system. I've been playing around with WinUAE and yes it's great, but I "had" to buy an original Amiga. HAD to! Yes I'm now also looking at doing my own Pi build but again, I'd want that in a case that represents the original kit, and if someone had already made a Retro Amiga I could plug in, sure I'd happily pay a lazy tax so I dont have to bother building it myself. Nothing on the market is appealing though. So imho that's why these exist. It's a lazy tax, and it works because not everyone is a hobbyist.
@thecouchtripper You're correct. I guess the tactile experience could come from using a controller alone. But I still maintain that some people just want a "turn key" solution. Not everyone who gamed with a console as a kid, turned into a PC nerd. That was kind of the point of the console market.
I like the idea of them for traveling, and because my laptop hates emulating lol
But this thing sucks
@@NicksRepository Fair point unless of course you originate from a PAL region (like I do) in which case you don't see it as a dirty alternative.
the games list is depressing, lots of the best games are not included, it's like a few big ones and the rest is filler.
I can see an expansion released in the future.
Well they can't release the games they're remaking for ps4/xbone on it, they'll compete with themselves, lmao. You tried, sony.
In between the big ones and the bad ones, some are early Playstation hits, like Toshinden, Jumping Flash and Destruction Derby.
P.S. they should also have included "Loaded", another early PS hit.
Just like how the PSX games catalog was made up of a few good games and mostly filler.
it's a good catalogue, there are lots of crappy games but most of the big names are good. there are easily like 20 or 30 great games that should be on the collection.
As someone who's been emulating console games since '98 (probably earlier), this is exactly what I'd expect from these Classic Minis
I remember when I was first getting into emulation the rom file size difference between PS1 and N64 blew my mind. It was easier to setup N64 on something because the games were never bigger than 25MB, as opposed to a single PS1 game pushing 500MB, and I wonder how much that accounted for the selection of games on the Classic.
I think the problem is they KNEW this, KNEW that we had capabilty of just getting other games, and never acknowldged it.
Not like they had this promotion of "And a drive/usb port to add even MORE games"
Really? I had heard that many felt it was the other way around.
Since the N64 has quite a bit more power than the PS1 does and also has a lot stranger architecture.
@@MrMarinus18 The N64 may be more powerful, but like the Wii U, it's super slow due to a flaw that cancels out the power advantage.
@@X2011racer It wasn't super slow. The flaw did make it that the power couldn't be used to it's maximum but it's performance was still quite a bit beyond that of the PS1. That's why porting N64 games to the PS1 was almost never done because the console just wasn't powerful enough.
@@MrMarinus18 Doesn't explain why the PS1 versions of certain games such as Gex: Enter the Gecko, Hydro Thunder, and Rayman 2 were much faster than their N64 versions.
Not sure about Glover though; There's a PS1 version, but that's more of a developer issue as it had lots of missing content and graphics.
A raspberry pi running retro pi is way, way better.
or your pc , a spare pc hooked up to the living room tv to stream movies music internet and emulated games and single player pirated games ,
this is my plan , already got a spare shit pc hooked up to the living room tv to stream movies and videos from the internet , imma replace it with a better pc that can also emulate games and play pirated single player games like all the other computers in the house , my biggest hurdle is hard drives everyone in the house runs thru hard drive space so freekin fast with games on their own computers
NPC #1337.101 for sure, but you can get preinstalled plug and play retro pi setups.
deathmetal weedman I’ve been using a laptop, but gonna get a mini itx setup, but old dell machines are cheaper, they just bulky.... a laptop so far next to tv is quiet, smallish.... I can’t see anyone slightly geeky getting this psx1 in all honesty...
NTSCollector-J you are such a lazy bugger. Never heard such first world bullshit in my life. You only need to set up emulators, roms and front ends once. Even download stuff all ready to go pretty much setup. Emulators provide a way superior experience if set up correctly, and way way more convenient. Having retro pi setup , is way more fun and convenient. All I can suggest is you get an education and form more active brain cells.
NPC #1337.101 I’d return it, get a maxed out rasp pi for the same money. Be Able to use wireless controllers. Drag and drop game roms wirelessly just once for each game. Be able to play tonnes of consoles with way way more options. Heck you can even buy ready 3D printed ps1 like cases or other console cases. Have it a retro small console, leave it plugged into your tv, use a Wireless PlayStation controller......
play n64, ps1, etc....
When these go cheap and someone finds a way to emulate on it / hack it then maybe. That disc tray should open for sure even if it doesn't work it should be a stash spot for your buds like the back of a fat PS2.
They should just make a super emulator to cover everything from PS1 through PS10 ;)
@@BillAnt Exactly... I guess it's coming with cloud gaming. But nothing beats that package arriving and breaking that seal and that factory smell or going to GameStop / Game with your mates and family to pick up the latest release. Now, all we do is sit on our asses looking at a download bar and complain about our internet speed.
@B Dog < You're right, cloud gaming just spoils the fun of opening and gathering around a new amazing piece of hardware. As I understand it, cloud gaming uses a server located in some distant data center to basically emulate and replicate the same game code for multiple users, and your screen is nothing more than just a dummy display terminal for the graphics... imo that's a pretty sterilized state of gaming.
@tan j maz < You mean the "$20 piece" is just a 4 port usb hub to plug the joysticks into?
Here's an interesting cartridge (PSIO) for the original old school PS1 consoles which still has the parallel port in the back. This cartridge allows you to load all your "game backups" onto an SDCard and play them all off of this solid state storage via a menu. :) ps-io.com/
You mean I wasn't supposed to install a mod chip and a 120GB drive so I could keep games I rented for longer than a few days? Damn.
The problem is that the internal storage space is very limited. Even if you hack it, you're going to be hamstrung in what you can really do with the thing. I expect there's essentially no useful space left in the filesystem, and several of the included games will have been chosen on the grounds of maximum replayability vs data load, so almost any game you add will require at least one other to be deleted.
5:00 You said you put the full list in the description... where is it?
Sony Fans: We want a retro console that behaves like the original!
Retro Console: *behaves like original with frame drops and low resolution*
Sony Fans: *surprised Pikachu face*
well, it's not like the original so there's good reasons to be upset
@@Ffinity I agree with that but still, they clearly think gamers are stupid (they're not totally wrong tho)
But when people say "like the original" they dont mean with extra jank included. Many of his issues dont exist on older tvs. Why not compensate for that somehow?
Wow, you guys can't take a fucking joke.
I perfectly know what's wrong with this system, i'm just taking the piss guys, cmon.
Live outside of your own head for a second and realize what may be a small little joke to you doesnt read as one to people who've never seen or heard of you before. Like think: How is anybody supposed to know this?
Wait, Sony shitting on their fanbase? Again?
I can't even imagine such a situation.
Sony already thinks that sexy women is bad and needs to be removed.
i haven't trusted sony to make good decisions since the hack in 2010 'no credit card info was accessed' my foot. i never did get tassimo to understand that i didn't order the crap they sent out to wherever it wound up.
They tend to do that whenever they are being successful, don't they?
@@lilyflower6265 They're the corporate equivalent of somebody who lets success get to their head and makes stupid decisions that bite them in the ass. It doesn't happen that often, but it gets bad when it does.
Take a bunch of Games you can probably find for free somewhere, put them all in a small "console" that's really just an trashy emulator and sell it for alot more money than it's worth
Problem with that idea: Need to already be a wildly successful world famous videogame console brand.
Where do you find these games for free legally? You're aware that those games are owned by the publishers? They're not free.
@xXx_spaghettilord420_xXx I'm aware how to get games illegaly. That wasn't my question.
@xXx_spaghettilord420_xXx Yes, and what I said is correct. Games are not free except when they are officially released as a free-to-play title. Downloading an iso is as free as going into a store and stealing the game.
I'd like to see an update to this. As of late 2019 the modding community has fixed most of the complaints people had when the PS Classic came out with projects like Autobleam with Retroarch built-in. Also even at around $35 American (Dec 2019) for the console itself, you still have to invest another $40 minimum to do it right. At that price, it was finally worth it for me to get one.
8 months have passed, now the price dropped to $20 (BestBuy), making it a nice decoration even you don't play the game...
PlayStation fans won't like this, but having spent time a couple years ago replaying my favorite games from the N64 and PlayStation, I think part of the problem is that the PlayStation games didn't age that well.
A large portion of PlayStation games were really not well polished, and were sold by being "mature" in a 1990s way; and 20 years later the lack of polish is noticeable and the edginess is kind of lame.
Just my $0.02, YMMV.
You're right. Last year I played a bunch of PS1 games... I was kind of stunned by how badly they aged.
I feel the same...
gameplay wise they aged just fine honestly. Problem is they do not upconvert well at all, The typical PSX gamer back when the console was the new hotness at best probably had a 27" TV, But I suspect most gamed on smaller to far smaller screens.
Jump ahead today and plug in to a 50" plasma/lcd and now that image is bigger than it was ever meant to be. And more importantly its on a display technology that was never meant to run content that low res. Run a VHS on a big modern flat screen and they look like total shite too despite some movies looking fantastic on a 20" tube.
PS1 games may have not aged well but at least PS2 games did.
@@lk0657 yes thats why theyre all worth about a quid these days lol
I like your idea about having the mini CD's that would have been awesome. I wont be getting one of these, i have the original still and as you said even that dont look good nowadays on a LCD TV. I really hope that a Dreamcast Mini comes out...and maybe they could utilise your mini disc idea
@rtyrty12 no the laser is still fine it was safely tucked away when the ps2 came out
I want an original-sized remake with the same system architecture inside (albeit perhaps consolidated chips thanks to shrinking fab processes), not a shrink-rayed version that's nothing more than an emulation system, if I want a nostalgia fix. These mini remakes just don't do it for me.
Then just buy PS1
I have a ps2 to usb adaptor that i use a ps1 dualshock controller on my pc. Anyone knows oif this would work on the mini. I have'nt bought one yet.
What's the sweet jazz music at the end?
11:29 This is totally true and it's something we were aware of even back then, many sprite based games looked way better aesthetically than the then impressive 3D but very low poly games.
The Atari game "E. T." was also thrown together just in time for Christmas. That worked out famously, so I think the PSC will work out just as famously. Exactly the same, in fact.
No, I haven't bothered to look up the sales of the PSC almost 6 months later. I just don't care. : /
What's with the wonky subtitles? Aside from certain words being different, entire lines are missing and they sometimes linger on screen for too long.
aaaaaaaaaaaand it is hacked and you can play .pbp games from usb stick and use controller to go to emulator options
I can also do this on my pc and use a PS4 controller with analog support
Honestly, I can do this easier on an Android TV box, and have all my favourite apps as well
@@LG1ikLx whilst your PC sounds like a hairdryer and you squint at the tiny screen and your PC takes up all the room your used tissues could be resting comfortably in before your mum cleans them up for you
@@MrJayel27 Built my custom PC in 2016, you have to sit in silence to even hear the faint sound of the fans, plus I'm not sure how your eyesight is but most monitors nowadays that people purchase are 24" or more, if you can't see images on a 24" screen from roughly a few feet away I'm not sure what to say to you, that's a personal problem.
@@XclusivEProductionS I'm guessing you've never heard of a joke you hapless technoweenie lol. Get back to your game of Halflife quick before you lose your virginity by falling on the Hoover
The reason why GTA runs so bad is because it’s running at 50hz but being outputted through 60hz. Although it is programmed to run accurately, the PSClassic messes it all up.
He literally said exactly that
donot ryon Yeah I know.
@@donotryon9389 Just another TH-cam channel knows.
Actually it's native format is 25 FPS, Interlaced, aka PAL, vs 29.92 FPS, Interlaced, which is NTSC. Either way its being emulated in the wrong frame rate and it causes it to be a mess, some displays, TVs and Monitors, are capable of scaling to the correct frame rates to match the input signal, but they are not common, but the issue is the hardware (which is probably some version of a Raspberry Pi anyway) which is incapable of that conversion.
When I heard they didn’t include MoH, MoH underground and any of tony hawks I just bought PS2 and got those games on ebay
now i imagine if nintendo announced that the nes mini would use nesticle
im already shaking from imagining the angry twitter people randomly appearing in my feed
Jokes aside, it might actually be a much better deal for most people to get an Rπ, install free emulators, then buy ROMs of whatever games they want rather than shell out for yet another piece of hardware with an emulator and a bunch of games they don't want. Companies should seriously consider selling ROMs for using in emulators. ¬_¬
I think that Sega published some Genesis titles on Steam, and you get both an emulator for those titles and their ROMs (DRM free) so that you can run them wherever you want.
Large companies are becoming more and more detached from their consumers. I can't walk into a GameStop without thinking that I am in Spencer's anymore. T-shirts in giant SNES cartridges. If SNES is that popular, bring it back, and stop trying to sell me t-shirts.
you'd think it would be easier for companies to reproduce original consoles and just add a rca or component to hdmi converter inside...
Gamestop why are you tryina sell me nerdy toys when I have a loxal comic shop that does it way better anyway?
Honestly would it be too hard to put a disk drive in and make the casing a bit larger? When they go for nostalgia they should include people who still got their ps1 collection. An artbook or history book would had been nice, too. Or a replica of a playstation magazin.
@RPMedia Nintendo had their Virtual Console which was exactly that, an online store to purchase hundreds of old console games, and as far as I know people were eating them up. I have no idea why they ended it.
I mean, Nintendo did 99% of everything that people have wanted for Smash. The only things I haven’t seen are Waluigi and Banjo-Kazooie. Other than that... well, that is somewhat accurate.
Motion controls
Psp/vita
Ps1 classic
These are all instances where sony tried to do thing nintendo's way and it didn't work.
the psp worked
PSP was successful
Motion controls are starting to be of use as their vr rockets in popularity. Wheras the switch couldn't pheasably do this
honestly, the PSP and Vita have always satisfied any kind of PSX urge I've got over the years...
*on the go*