Excellent review. Some of the comparison footage you show of the Sidekick was from the internal recording which compresses the image. Point being for viewers, the image of the Sidekick will be significantly better than the internal recorded video is showing.
Thank you good sir. Actually, I didn’t use any compressed footage from the Armasight. This is all from the camera behind the monocular units. I wanted an apples to apples comparison for everyone. The one note to make though, as I mentioned in the video, they’ve already fixed the lagging issue, so the new software update should substantially improve even what you see here.
It shows “Rec” during some of the footage because I recorded in case I wanted to do a comparison of the compress videos. That would’ve made the video way too long so I didn’t use that footage, but that’s why you’re seeing that on the screen.
Not sure why everyone is hating on this guys opinion. Its clear from the short clip he uploaded in the video at 100 yards that he has a point. That bright spot was a coyote, but if you weren't told that you wouldn't know for sure without more info. Maybe if the animal was moving it would be easier to ID but stationary its clearly not. I personally would not feel comfortable throwing rounds at that unless I either watched it for significantly longer to see its movement or let it get closer but that's my own personal opinion. I'm sure there are others with more experience that would disagree just like there are also people in the comments that are totally ok with throwing rounds at any heat sources they see at night.
The RH25 comment: “useless past 75 yards”…. There are a lot of dead animals past double that distance that would disagree. I understand the spirit of your comment, it’s not a long range thermal. But please get on some technical forums and figure out what you are doing wrong with your setup process that others are not having issues with. 4x as a clip on is leaving plenty of resolution left over for taking longer shots on pig sized animals (250 yards and in). I do it on the regular and so do many others.
Look at the 300y comparison. Lol. Its a blurry 1 pixel x 6 pixel vertical line on the SideKick but still easy to ID as a human on the RH with identifiable arms extended. This “review” is heavily influenced by a sponsor, no other way for me to see it.
@@PoonDestroyer69 Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if it was influenced. Armasight waited so long to release any content on the sidekick that they are sponsoring TH-camrs to play catch up. Give credit where credit is due though, he included a lot of footage that doesn’t lie (although the units look better in person), people can decide for themselves what performed better. You obviously made some excellent observations of the footage
@@rileyfrench3837 both fair arguments, and I appreciate you guys jumping in. Here’s the reason for that statement. I too have kills with this unit past 75 yards. You can see in the one kill I showed at 100 yards I dropped that on the spot. That being said, I could not tell you what that animal was. Had I not had someone else there running a higher end, actual thermal scope worthy of using past 100 yards that could tell me it was a coyote, I could’ve been shooting at a deer or calf for all I knew?!? That’s my argument as to why this unit is useless at that distance. It’s not that you can’t see living things, you certainly can but you cannot PID them in the clip on set up unless you have someone standing next to you with a better PID range. Often you can PID watching movement of the animal, but again, in that particular case that animal was standing still. If they’re not moving and giving any inclination as to what they are, there’s no PID and therefore you’re taking an irresponsible/unethical shot in my opinion, which is why I’m saying it’s useless pass that distance. Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching! p.s. I don’t know anyone at Armasight or even if they’re US based, but would be happy to take free gear if they ever wanted me to send me any ha ha!!
@@PoonDestroyer69 really confused by your comment. How many times in the video did I say this was not the best unit nor did it have the best PID or anything even remotely close to that language?!? I said multiple times it’s all about detection and field of view and if you’re looking for that, the Nox 18 won the day. However, if you’re trying to save a budget and have a best in class working set up with both a scanner and a scope, then the Armasight is a good option. Having a hard time finding your influencer read? Every unit including the RH 25 was bought by me personally or borrowed for the video. But yeah….clearly “influenced” by my own bank account.
I sincerely think you didn’t set the RH25 focus for infinity (or your max shooting distances), set the RH25 diopter at your LPVOs max magnification, didn’t actually use clip on mode with its true unity 1x magnification, or didn’t set the diopter correctly on your day optic. So many people do one step incorrectly and then they have unusable or barely usable results. You are getting dragged on some discussion boards already by people using the RH25 at longer distances, and easily PIDing animals beyond 200 yards
Been running thermal rifle scopes since 2015. 1st unit was the 2015 Pulsar Xd38a, 2nd was 2022 Agm Rattler TS25-384 and last but not least the 2023 Pulsar Thermion 2 xp50 lrf pro. Oh yeah and I also have the Dji Mavic 3 Thermal. Thanks for helping me make my mine up on purchasing the Nox 18 for my 1st helmet setup...should be arriving soon 😊
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 I perfer quality over everything else...it will be single mounted anyway. Weighing in at 15.3 oz. without the weapons mount in comparison of 12 oz. for a pvs-14 I don't think thats too much of a negative. Thanks again. 👍🏿
Here’s the reason for that statement. I have kills with this unit past 75 yards. You can see in the one kill I showed at 100 yards I dropped that coyote on the spot. That being said, I could not tell you what that animal was. Had I not had someone else there running a higher end, actual thermal scope worthy of using past 100 yards that could tell me it was a coyote, I could’ve been shooting at a deer or calf for all I knew?!? That’s my argument as to why this unit is useless at that distance. It’s not that you can’t see living things, you certainly can but you cannot PID them in the clip on set up unless you have someone standing next to you with a better PID range. Often you can PID watching movement of the animal, but again, in that particular case that animal was standing still. If they’re not moving and giving any inclination as to what they are, there’s no PID and therefore you’re taking an irresponsible/unethical shot in my opinion, which is why I’m saying it’s useless pass that distance. Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching!
Great review and exactly right in terms of practical reality e.g. have a hand held/helmet mountable spotter with large FOV and a dedicated thermal scope for final PID and shot. The do it all in one packages tend to be false economy.
Great video and excellent breakdown of each unit. Thanks for putting it together Do you find dedicated clip on units have similar range limitations for hunting as the rh25?
In the class up like the super Yoder C and krypton I would say you can go up to 8X optical mag, possibly 10 X… but then you’re maxed out. You really have to be in the $15,000 unit range to go past that.
I run the nox35, absolutely love it. I dot think I’d love it as much if I didn’t know my distances on my property. I have a flir breach which is fun but it really just lives in my pocket or helmet for deep in a wooded area. I got low end AGM rattler for a price i won’t even repeat it was so stupid low, love it for plinking. Just got a rl25 with all the adm mounts for 2500. Can’t wait, i hope it works well as a 100m plinker.
Maybe I’m just not understanding but the side by side videos the Armasight looks like there’s no thermal recognition past 200ish yds. But I see the white glowing figure on the RH25 past that…. Am I missing something?
No, not really. There’s certainly some detection past 200 with the Sidekick but again, the point I’m trying to make is if you’re on a budget this is a really good option in 640 for a monocular. The RH25 is far superior as a monocular, especially at distance, but also doesn’t allow quite the same field of view and is double the cost. I have both. I use the two for very different applications. If I’m close-up hunting, I like the sidekick for its wider field of view. If I’m hunting long crop row fields I’m typically running the Rh 25.
Do you think the Sidekick 640 is a clearer image than the iRay helmet-specific unit, MH25 V2 (which is the newer version of the older MH25)? I have experienced the MH25 as a scanner and in my opinion, it's pretty darn good. It's also surprisingly clear given that it's also a 640 unit. It's not quite as good as the RH25 though. I know what you mean about the need for two dedicated thermals units, btw. I run an N-Vision Halo X50 on my rifle, and within 15 minutes on my first hunt with it I found myself desperately reaching for my L3 bino's and full power illuminator because I flat out had zero ability to scan with the rifle mounted thermal. So, definitely agree there.
Man, that’s a really good question. I can’t answer that as I haven’t looked through the MH 25. If I ever do though, I’ll try to compare side-by-side and get back to you. Great question and thanks for watching.
Very nice comparison. I recently bought dual Sidekick 640s and I'm on the fence if it was worth it. Tried driving my SxS with them on recently and really struggled, the lag is just too disorienting. Even walking around on uneven terrain in the country side is a bit difficult for me but urban environments are passable. I agree with your point that these excel at detection on a helmet mounted setup, for anything requiring detail I can switch to my Pulsar rifle optic or binos.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 Just emailed Armasight and I have to send them in for a firmware update which is annoying but hopefully it's an improvement. They did say that subsequent firmware updates will be user upgradeable. Thanks again!
I have two Armasight thermals and I think you are giving them a slight disadvantage in the comparisions by using Blackhot/Target mode with the Armasight and Whitehot with the N-vision and iRay. My experience is that Blackhot/target mode is one of the worst palettes for long range detection/identification. The Whitehot and Sepia palette really pops out the animals better.
Hey man love the video and your delivery of the information was outstanding and entertaining! I’m a new Guntuber still trying to get my rhythm so this is great to watch and take notes. I’m going back and forth about stretching for an RH25, and it appears it MAYBE can hang as you said at the beginning of the video - so I’ll be considering this as a first option! Thanks and I subbed.
Love it man. Love guys out there trying to create content! Keep up the good work. Yeah, depending on what you’re using it for this could be a good option, but like I said plenty of great options in the higher price bracket again, depending on use case.
Awesome video man! What do you think about using the rh-50 for more military esc patrolling? Prioritizing human pid, weight, and battery life on a helmet mount only. Field of view and navigation is a thought too. Curious about your thoughts!
On a helmet mount it is fantastic and is definitely the best human pid/weight/battery life unit on the market under 10k in my opinion. If I'm hunting in 40x40 acre fields I like to run dual RH25's b/c they're the best long range helmet mounted monocular out there at its price point. My only complaint with it is in a clip-on weapon mounted unit it's very limited in PID on non moving creatures. I think what you've listed above it would perform exceptionally well in!
What thermal would you recommend to someone that wants to hunt small game up close and personal all the way out to longer range coyote hunts. 1 where money isn’t an option and 2nd in that 5 to 6,000 range?
Great question. Before I answer, I need a couple more clarification points. What sort of firearm are you going to be running? What distance is the farthest shot you’ll likely be taking?
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 Right now im hunting with a Nox35 on a suppressed 10/22. I also have a family member running a Halo XRF on a .223 but i havent gotten a chance to hunt with it very much. I would love to stay with Made In USA am i correct in saying thats really only Trijicon and Nvision any others to throw in? But debating on trying Iray so we have something to comapre Nvision to
@@SUMPthinBIG yeah actually you have a pretty solid foundation with those two units there. I’m not aware of any other US made contenders at the moment worth writing home about. IRay certainly makes some tremendous optics too. Like I said, I don’t know that I’d necessarily change what you’re doing now unless you’re trying to really stretch the legs out to extreme distances, which would change my answer
First of all, you have one of the best usernames I’ve ever seen!. Secondly, I asked the same question, but was told the unit was not recoil rated for weapon mounted use. I tried it anyway. It was subpar as a weapon clip on unit.
@@rileyfrench3837right? Did this guy not look at the NVision website before making this video? Clip-on is different than standalone. I’m not sure this guy understands that.
Yes in monocular mode it detects exceptionally well. The only challenge with this unit is in clip-on mode. You’re only able to optically zoom to 4x-5x before it gets very pixilated making it very difficult to PID things past 100 yards. Namely things sitting still and not giving away their identity by movement recognition.
Is the RH25 your reviewing the V1 or the V2 model that just came out about a month ago or less? I see the older V1 model going for $3750.00 all day if you look the right places. The V2 model has been 5K and up. I just bought a V2 for 5K shipped with taxes but haven't received it yet. My first Thermal and hoping I can find someone to help me get it setup with my 1x8 ATACR. I read the instructions that come with it suck.
@@jamesarm1 yes, I released this video nine months ago. This is the V1 I’m showing here. I’ve heard good things about the V2. I’m sure it’s gonna be a great optic for you. The instruction manual leaves something to be desired for sure on the V1 ….not sure about the V2.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 I was torn about what to get. I ready dont know enough about them to make a good educated guess. I was worried about the i ray because i didnt know about the durability of them vs something like a Reap IR that is military grade. Plus! I hate myself for buying a Chinese product, I just never do that but seemed like I was getting more for my money. Plus I worry, does the Chinese have a chip in the scope that can tract you or disable your scope if they decided we shouldn't be using them, especially if there was an invasion. This is a bucket list scope so probably wont be around any way. There was a lot of good info in your video, Thanks for hollering back.
Nice review man! I’m looking to get into a helmet setup for scanning for coyotes. I have been using an agm taipan 19 384, do you think I will be happy with the sidekick on a helmet mount setup? Will I have issues seeing coyotes that come out into the field at 300 yards? Not looking to PID, I have a 640 scope for that? Looking for your advice before I drop 3200
Based on what you’re running now, I think you’ll see a pretty noticeable improvement. The helmet mounted setup just makes life easier, especially if you are scanning and running a call and then moving to your 640. I certainly think for the money it could be a good upgrade from what you’re doing now.
Look at the 100y side by side at 21:21. The RH25 blows the SideKick out of the mf water in detection, clarity, PID, etc. At 200y, the individual is a fuzzy 1 pixel x 6 pixel vertical line on the SideKick and perfectly visible and identifiable on the RH25. At 300? The RH is still able to pick up the individuals arms, the SideKick is hardly able to pickup the individual. At 400y the SideKick has all but lost the signature while the RH is still showing a human silhouette that is slightly harder to pickup vs 300y due to the heat of the backdrop. Sorry, but you are legitimately smoking crack if you think the RH is a 75y and in clip on. The RH destroyed the Sidekick.
Again, I’m not really understanding your argument here. I’m in total agreement with you on detection at distance as a helmet mounted option or handheld option. Even as a clip on option the RH 25 is leaps beyond the other two units. As a matter fact, I’m going to Nebraska and will be hunting 80 x 80 acre fields, I’m going to run dual Rh 25 because I want the max possible detection capability not the max FOV detection capability. The two are very different. My argument here is PID as a clip on with no movement. If it is sitting or still at distance of 200 or more you are not PIDing it with the RH 25.
Wait for my video that proves what Derek is saying. For reference, he was talking about PID, not engagement distances. If you have a smaller animal, sitting still, at extended distances you will NOT be able to tell what it is without movement. I can hit a 2MOA steel target at 300 yards with my RH25...but that's because I know it's steel. If that was an unknown animal, that is a much different answer. In my review of the RH25, we are going to test this vs a Voodoo S and a UTC X (a true long range clip on) on a 1-10 LPVO.
@@thermaltoyzngear3310 I have used my RH25 in conjunction with my S&B 1-8 Short Dot Dual CC *far* beyond 100y and have never been confused between a coyote, deer and calf…even with no movement. Comparing a $5,000 thermal device to a $18,000 and $24,000 thermal is going to prove what exactly? That Lamborghini and Ferrari offer better performance cars compared to Kia? I think Ill waste my time elsewhere, no offense of course.
@gregoryhimschoot3355 the point is the FOV comparison. A voodoo s has a 15⁰horizontal FOV, the RH25 is 17.5⁰, and the UTC is 6.2⁰....those are massively different and make a difference in PID potential (and yes, 2.5⁰ in reference to a clip on and its associated demag is a massive difference) . It's not on a matter of price. The voodoo S is 17k and underperforms compared to a 4k Super Yoter C due to the wider FOV and lesser mag support (more front end magnification and more back end demagnification on the SYC compared to the Voodoo S). Price is irrelevant here. What you're failing to mention is: experience. I can easily detect and PID an animal that my buddies have difficulty with due to my own experience level. This review was targeting the newbie, and if I put an RH25 on a rifle and tell them to tell me what that stationary animal is at 300 yards, they will not be able to do that. I've seen it more than I can count with demonstrating my kit to my SAR group. If I even took you to my area, put a coyote and an antelope target at 100 yards and told you to PID those animals...you'd have issues. I'd be willing to bet on it. Now on the other hand, I handed my UTC to someone that hasn't looked through kit like this on a 1-10 LPVO, and they were able to tell the difference between a horse and cow at 2168 yards.....because of the pixel density. You seem to miss the point here of this discussion.
@@thermaltoyzngear3310 Well stated brother Stokes. You gotta preach it to the "they don't know what they don't know" folks and maybe some of it will sink in.
@@apj12b I got mine from egunco which has raised the price, lowest I can see right now is Lanbo's for 3.6k. Still a very good deal, the rh25 is a lot better then this review makes it out to be.
You commented multiple times times of another TH-camr that talks in great detail about this unit as well but I couldn’t understand his tag name and I don’t see it in any other wording on your vid wording. Could your reply back with his TH-cam channel name? Thanks!
@@thegolflife7565 the question on the sanctions is a fantastic question. I’ve not been able to get a straight answer from anyone on that yet. That is going to be interesting to say the least.
@@wut6113 good question. That RH25 for 4k is super attractive no doubt. But the sidekick I think is going around 2K so I’d say the general thesis of my video still remains… but dang, that’s an excellent price on both!
I dont know. I don’t use this stuff a lot but the agm stinir 384 looks a lot better than this 640. I would have thought 640 would provide much better image clarity.
Here’s the reason for that statement. I have kills with this unit past 75 yards. You can see in the one kill I showed at 100 yards I dropped that coyote on the spot. That being said, I could not tell you what that animal was. Had I not had someone else there running a higher end, actual thermal scope worthy of using past 100 yards that could tell me it was a coyote, I could’ve been shooting at a deer or calf for all I knew?!? That’s my argument as to why this unit is useless at that distance. It’s not that you can’t see living things, you certainly can but you cannot PID them in the clip on set up unless you have someone standing next to you with a better PID range. Often you can PID watching movement of the animal, but again, in that particular case that animal was standing still. If they’re not moving and giving any inclination as to what they are, there’s no PID and therefore you’re taking an irresponsible/unethical shot in my opinion, which is why I’m saying it’s useless pass that distance.
Thermal all day. No comparison. Unless you’re working with a team and out navigating with nods….thermal is just so advanced for detection, ID and actual engagement. Thanks for watching and for the question!
Had them all and own the nox18 hands down smokes them all especially in image! Wear it helmeted mounted with no battery and no mount attached 13.58oz plus it’s USA made! This video does not show its true clarity through the display.
@@18B_Porta-Poty_PTSD I can appreciate that. And your comment. The cooled unit Thermal stuff is an absolute game changer for sure. There is no comparison, I agree. That being said the civilian market is getting better and better at a very rapid pace because of consumer demand. So hopefully they’ll catch up. Or at least catch up to where cooled military units were five years ago. Haha! Thanks for watching!
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 yea man, I used to use the javelin CLU in theater during the day and the night. Well worth packing the weight! Can't believe those capabilities are available in such small packages nowadays. I am in the market for both helmet mounted thermals. The Antifa & zombie hunting will be good! ;) That being said, keep your head down and ears open brother! Subscribed! ~Pro Patria -H
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Excellent review. Some of the comparison footage you show of the Sidekick was from the internal recording which compresses the image. Point being for viewers, the image of the Sidekick will be significantly better than the internal recorded video is showing.
Thank you good sir. Actually, I didn’t use any compressed footage from the Armasight. This is all from the camera behind the monocular units. I wanted an apples to apples comparison for everyone. The one note to make though, as I mentioned in the video, they’ve already fixed the lagging issue, so the new software update should substantially improve even what you see here.
It shows “Rec” during some of the footage because I recorded in case I wanted to do a comparison of the compress videos. That would’ve made the video way too long so I didn’t use that footage, but that’s why you’re seeing that on the screen.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 Thanks for that clarification.
@@wherenowhow6037 yessir….. and thank you for watching!
Not sure why everyone is hating on this guys opinion. Its clear from the short clip he uploaded in the video at 100 yards that he has a point. That bright spot was a coyote, but if you weren't told that you wouldn't know for sure without more info. Maybe if the animal was moving it would be easier to ID but stationary its clearly not. I personally would not feel comfortable throwing rounds at that unless I either watched it for significantly longer to see its movement or let it get closer but that's my own personal opinion. I'm sure there are others with more experience that would disagree just like there are also people in the comments that are totally ok with throwing rounds at any heat sources they see at night.
Well said, thank you for the comments.
The RH25 comment: “useless past 75 yards”…. There are a lot of dead animals past double that distance that would disagree. I understand the spirit of your comment, it’s not a long range thermal. But please get on some technical forums and figure out what you are doing wrong with your setup process that others are not having issues with. 4x as a clip on is leaving plenty of resolution left over for taking longer shots on pig sized animals (250 yards and in). I do it on the regular and so do many others.
Look at the 300y comparison. Lol. Its a blurry 1 pixel x 6 pixel vertical line on the SideKick but still easy to ID as a human on the RH with identifiable arms extended. This “review” is heavily influenced by a sponsor, no other way for me to see it.
@@PoonDestroyer69 Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if it was influenced. Armasight waited so long to release any content on the sidekick that they are sponsoring TH-camrs to play catch up. Give credit where credit is due though, he included a lot of footage that doesn’t lie (although the units look better in person), people can decide for themselves what performed better. You obviously made some excellent observations of the footage
@@rileyfrench3837 both fair arguments, and I appreciate you guys jumping in. Here’s the reason for that statement. I too have kills with this unit past 75 yards. You can see in the one kill I showed at 100 yards I dropped that on the spot. That being said, I could not tell you what that animal was. Had I not had someone else there running a higher end, actual thermal scope worthy of using past 100 yards that could tell me it was a coyote, I could’ve been shooting at a deer or calf for all I knew?!? That’s my argument as to why this unit is useless at that distance. It’s not that you can’t see living things, you certainly can but you cannot PID them in the clip on set up unless you have someone standing next to you with a better PID range. Often you can PID watching movement of the animal, but again, in that particular case that animal was standing still. If they’re not moving and giving any inclination as to what they are, there’s no PID and therefore you’re taking an irresponsible/unethical shot in my opinion, which is why I’m saying it’s useless pass that distance.
Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching!
p.s. I don’t know anyone at Armasight or even if they’re US based, but would be happy to take free gear if they ever wanted me to send me any ha ha!!
@@PoonDestroyer69 really confused by your comment. How many times in the video did I say this was not the best unit nor did it have the best PID or anything even remotely close to that language?!? I said multiple times it’s all about detection and field of view and if you’re looking for that, the Nox 18 won the day. However, if you’re trying to save a budget and have a best in class working set up with both a scanner and a scope, then the Armasight is a good option. Having a hard time finding your influencer read? Every unit including the RH 25 was bought by me personally or borrowed for the video. But yeah….clearly “influenced” by my own bank account.
I sincerely think you didn’t set the RH25 focus for infinity (or your max shooting distances), set the RH25 diopter at your LPVOs max magnification, didn’t actually use clip on mode with its true unity 1x magnification, or didn’t set the diopter correctly on your day optic. So many people do one step incorrectly and then they have unusable or barely usable results. You are getting dragged on some discussion boards already by people using the RH25 at longer distances, and easily PIDing animals beyond 200 yards
Been running thermal rifle scopes since 2015. 1st unit was the 2015 Pulsar Xd38a, 2nd was 2022 Agm Rattler TS25-384 and last but not least the 2023 Pulsar Thermion 2 xp50 lrf pro. Oh yeah and I also have the Dji Mavic 3 Thermal. Thanks for helping me make my mine up on purchasing the Nox 18 for my 1st helmet setup...should be arriving soon 😊
Absolutely! Like I said, my only complaint with that unit is the weight and bulky nature of it. Everything else is fantastic.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 I perfer quality over everything else...it will be single mounted anyway. Weighing in at 15.3 oz. without the weapons mount in comparison of 12 oz. for a pvs-14 I don't think thats too much of a negative. Thanks again. 👍🏿
Useless past 75 yards? Did you not range correctly or did you accidentally swap a different clip-on when testing that?
Here’s the reason for that statement. I have kills with this unit past 75 yards. You can see in the one kill I showed at 100 yards I dropped that coyote on the spot. That being said, I could not tell you what that animal was. Had I not had someone else there running a higher end, actual thermal scope worthy of using past 100 yards that could tell me it was a coyote, I could’ve been shooting at a deer or calf for all I knew?!? That’s my argument as to why this unit is useless at that distance. It’s not that you can’t see living things, you certainly can but you cannot PID them in the clip on set up unless you have someone standing next to you with a better PID range. Often you can PID watching movement of the animal, but again, in that particular case that animal was standing still. If they’re not moving and giving any inclination as to what they are, there’s no PID and therefore you’re taking an irresponsible/unethical shot in my opinion, which is why I’m saying it’s useless pass that distance.
Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching!
Awesome review vid. Im glad you laid out the best use for each one… and actually acknowledged their drawbacks.
Gotta keep it 100, as the young-ins say!
Sam was a bit traumatized after Mordor...
@@AiAngel haha that’s a good one! I’m actually going as Rudy for Halloween!!
Really neat to see these units side by side. Great review!
Great review and exactly right in terms of practical reality e.g. have a hand held/helmet mountable spotter with large FOV and a dedicated thermal scope for final PID and shot. The do it all in one packages tend to be false economy.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
Really sick opening to the video. Good review too. Subscribed.
Thanks for the sub, and thanks for watching!!
Great video and excellent breakdown of each unit. Thanks for putting it together
Do you find dedicated clip on units have similar range limitations for hunting as the rh25?
In the class up like the super Yoder C and krypton I would say you can go up to 8X optical mag, possibly 10 X… but then you’re maxed out. You really have to be in the $15,000 unit range to go past that.
I run the nox35, absolutely love it. I dot think I’d love it as much if I didn’t know my distances on my property. I have a flir breach which is fun but it really just lives in my pocket or helmet for deep in a wooded area. I got low end AGM rattler for a price i won’t even repeat it was so stupid low, love it for plinking. Just got a rl25 with all the adm mounts for 2500. Can’t wait, i hope it works well as a 100m plinker.
Bruh, that’s a great set up. Hit me up… I’ll take you out hunting and we can use all that stuff.
Maybe I’m just not understanding but the side by side videos the Armasight looks like there’s no thermal recognition past 200ish yds. But I see the white glowing figure on the RH25 past that…. Am I missing something?
No, not really. There’s certainly some detection past 200 with the Sidekick but again, the point I’m trying to make is if you’re on a budget this is a really good option in 640 for a monocular. The RH25 is far superior as a monocular, especially at distance, but also doesn’t allow quite the same field of view and is double the cost. I have both. I use the two for very different applications. If I’m close-up hunting, I like the sidekick for its wider field of view. If I’m hunting long crop row fields I’m typically running the Rh 25.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Hes shillin is why. Paid to review the product.
Do you think the Sidekick 640 is a clearer image than the iRay helmet-specific unit, MH25 V2 (which is the newer version of the older MH25)? I have experienced the MH25 as a scanner and in my opinion, it's pretty darn good. It's also surprisingly clear given that it's also a 640 unit. It's not quite as good as the RH25 though. I know what you mean about the need for two dedicated thermals units, btw. I run an N-Vision Halo X50 on my rifle, and within 15 minutes on my first hunt with it I found myself desperately reaching for my L3 bino's and full power illuminator because I flat out had zero ability to scan with the rifle mounted thermal. So, definitely agree there.
Man, that’s a really good question. I can’t answer that as I haven’t looked through the MH 25. If I ever do though, I’ll try to compare side-by-side and get back to you. Great question and thanks for watching.
Very nice comparison. I recently bought dual Sidekick 640s and I'm on the fence if it was worth it. Tried driving my SxS with them on recently and really struggled, the lag is just too disorienting. Even walking around on uneven terrain in the country side is a bit difficult for me but urban environments are passable. I agree with your point that these excel at detection on a helmet mounted setup, for anything requiring detail I can switch to my Pulsar rifle optic or binos.
Great comment. Thanks for the usage feedback. I’m curious, have you gotten the new software update?
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 Just emailed Armasight and I have to send them in for a firmware update which is annoying but hopefully it's an improvement. They did say that subsequent firmware updates will be user upgradeable. Thanks again!
@@f0r7ezz4you bet!
I have two Armasight thermals and I think you are giving them a slight disadvantage in the comparisions by using Blackhot/Target mode with the Armasight and Whitehot with the N-vision and iRay. My experience is that Blackhot/target mode is one of the worst palettes for long range detection/identification. The Whitehot and Sepia palette really pops out the animals better.
@@Joe-uh6kt thanks for the note, and thanks for watching!
Great video dude! Really liked the comparisons to relevant units.
Thanks brother, and thanks for watching!
Hey man love the video and your delivery of the information was outstanding and entertaining! I’m a new Guntuber still trying to get my rhythm so this is great to watch and take notes.
I’m going back and forth about stretching for an RH25, and it appears it MAYBE can hang as you said at the beginning of the video - so I’ll be considering this as a first option!
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Love it man. Love guys out there trying to create content! Keep up the good work. Yeah, depending on what you’re using it for this could be a good option, but like I said plenty of great options in the higher price bracket again, depending on use case.
good vid bro, dig the content
Thanks brother, and thanks for watching!
Awesome video man! What do you think about using the rh-50 for more military esc patrolling? Prioritizing human pid, weight, and battery life on a helmet mount only. Field of view and navigation is a thought too. Curious about your thoughts!
On a helmet mount it is fantastic and is definitely the best human pid/weight/battery life unit on the market under 10k in my opinion. If I'm hunting in 40x40 acre fields I like to run dual RH25's b/c they're the best long range helmet mounted monocular out there at its price point. My only complaint with it is in a clip-on weapon mounted unit it's very limited in PID on non moving creatures. I think what you've listed above it would perform exceptionally well in!
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 thanks man appreciate it!
@@ggcarter5284 you bet…. Thanks for watching!!
The rh25 is on sale rn for 3,999. Still a lot of money but seems like a big enough cut to make its benefits worth it
@@HansVerkler that’s a phenomenal price on that unit….fo sho!
What thermal would you recommend to someone that wants to hunt small game up close and personal all the way out to longer range coyote hunts. 1 where money isn’t an option and 2nd in that 5 to 6,000 range?
Great question. Before I answer, I need a couple more clarification points. What sort of firearm are you going to be running? What distance is the farthest shot you’ll likely be taking?
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 Right now im hunting with a Nox35 on a suppressed 10/22. I also have a family member running a Halo XRF on a .223 but i havent gotten a chance to hunt with it very much. I would love to stay with Made In USA am i correct in saying thats really only Trijicon and Nvision any others to throw in? But debating on trying Iray so we have something to comapre Nvision to
@@SUMPthinBIG yeah actually you have a pretty solid foundation with those two units there. I’m not aware of any other US made contenders at the moment worth writing home about. IRay certainly makes some tremendous optics too. Like I said, I don’t know that I’d necessarily change what you’re doing now unless you’re trying to really stretch the legs out to extreme distances, which would change my answer
I thought you can weapon mount the nox 18? That's why it has the pic rail mount on the bottom
First of all, you have one of the best usernames I’ve ever seen!. Secondly, I asked the same question, but was told the unit was not recoil rated for weapon mounted use. I tried it anyway. It was subpar as a weapon clip on unit.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 What are you guys talking about? NVision rates the Nox18 for 50bmg. It's not a clip on though.
@@rileyfrench3837right? Did this guy not look at the NVision website before making this video? Clip-on is different than standalone. I’m not sure this guy understands that.
Could you show how the nox18 looks in humid conditions compared to the rh25? I live in VA and am debating between those two.
@@ChristopherWelchIsBatman in humid conditions neither are good, but the RH25 is definitely better in those atmospheric conditions.
What up homie, it’s August. Dope channel!
Auggie!!! What’s up bro? I want to borrow your B&T 308 for a video I’m working on if you’re ever out and about!
6:10 But nox18 can be used as a weapon scope? Like that’s the purpose of the pic mount
In the footage you show, the rh25 looked great out to 300 yards... am I missing something?
Yes in monocular mode it detects exceptionally well. The only challenge with this unit is in clip-on mode. You’re only able to optically zoom to 4x-5x before it gets very pixilated making it very difficult to PID things past 100 yards. Namely things sitting still and not giving away their identity by movement recognition.
Such great advice here. Subscribed. Thank you.
Thanks for the sub!
Is the RH25 your reviewing the V1 or the V2 model that just came out about a month ago or less? I see the older V1 model going for $3750.00 all day if you look the right places. The V2 model has been 5K and up. I just bought a V2 for 5K shipped with taxes but haven't received it yet. My first Thermal and hoping I can find someone to help me get it setup with my 1x8 ATACR. I read the instructions that come with it suck.
@@jamesarm1 yes, I released this video nine months ago. This is the V1 I’m showing here. I’ve heard good things about the V2. I’m sure it’s gonna be a great optic for you. The instruction manual leaves something to be desired for sure on the V1 ….not sure about the V2.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 I was torn about what to get. I ready dont know enough about them to make a good educated guess. I was worried about the i ray because i didnt know about the durability of them vs something like a Reap IR that is military grade. Plus! I hate myself for buying a Chinese product, I just never do that but seemed like I was getting more for my money. Plus I worry, does the Chinese have a chip in the scope that can tract you or disable your scope if they decided we shouldn't be using them, especially if there was an invasion. This is a bucket list scope so probably wont be around any way. There was a lot of good info in your video, Thanks for hollering back.
@@jamesarm1 you made a good choice with the V2. Reap IRs are WAY behind the curve right note.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 Thanks for easing my brain, its been eating at me worried about a bad choice.
Nice review man! I’m looking to get into a helmet setup for scanning for coyotes. I have been using an agm taipan 19 384, do you think I will be happy with the sidekick on a helmet mount setup? Will I have issues seeing coyotes that come out into the field at 300 yards? Not looking to PID, I have a 640 scope for that? Looking for your advice before I drop 3200
Based on what you’re running now, I think you’ll see a pretty noticeable improvement. The helmet mounted setup just makes life easier, especially if you are scanning and running a call and then moving to your 640. I certainly think for the money it could be a good upgrade from what you’re doing now.
Look at the 100y side by side at 21:21. The RH25 blows the SideKick out of the mf water in detection, clarity, PID, etc. At 200y, the individual is a fuzzy 1 pixel x 6 pixel vertical line on the SideKick and perfectly visible and identifiable on the RH25. At 300? The RH is still able to pick up the individuals arms, the SideKick is hardly able to pickup the individual. At 400y the SideKick has all but lost the signature while the RH is still showing a human silhouette that is slightly harder to pickup vs 300y due to the heat of the backdrop. Sorry, but you are legitimately smoking crack if you think the RH is a 75y and in clip on. The RH destroyed the Sidekick.
Again, I’m not really understanding your argument here. I’m in total agreement with you on detection at distance as a helmet mounted option or handheld option. Even as a clip on option the RH 25 is leaps beyond the other two units. As a matter fact, I’m going to Nebraska and will be hunting 80 x 80 acre fields, I’m going to run dual Rh 25 because I want the max possible detection capability not the max FOV detection capability. The two are very different. My argument here is PID as a clip on with no movement. If it is sitting or still at distance of 200 or more you are not PIDing it with the RH 25.
Wait for my video that proves what Derek is saying.
For reference, he was talking about PID, not engagement distances. If you have a smaller animal, sitting still, at extended distances you will NOT be able to tell what it is without movement. I can hit a 2MOA steel target at 300 yards with my RH25...but that's because I know it's steel. If that was an unknown animal, that is a much different answer.
In my review of the RH25, we are going to test this vs a Voodoo S and a UTC X (a true long range clip on) on a 1-10 LPVO.
@@thermaltoyzngear3310 I have used my RH25 in conjunction with my S&B 1-8 Short Dot Dual CC *far* beyond 100y and have never been confused between a coyote, deer and calf…even with no movement.
Comparing a $5,000 thermal device to a $18,000 and $24,000 thermal is going to prove what exactly? That Lamborghini and Ferrari offer better performance cars compared to Kia? I think Ill waste my time elsewhere, no offense of course.
@gregoryhimschoot3355 the point is the FOV comparison. A voodoo s has a 15⁰horizontal FOV, the RH25 is 17.5⁰, and the UTC is 6.2⁰....those are massively different and make a difference in PID potential (and yes, 2.5⁰ in reference to a clip on and its associated demag is a massive difference) . It's not on a matter of price. The voodoo S is 17k and underperforms compared to a 4k Super Yoter C due to the wider FOV and lesser mag support (more front end magnification and more back end demagnification on the SYC compared to the Voodoo S). Price is irrelevant here.
What you're failing to mention is: experience. I can easily detect and PID an animal that my buddies have difficulty with due to my own experience level. This review was targeting the newbie, and if I put an RH25 on a rifle and tell them to tell me what that stationary animal is at 300 yards, they will not be able to do that. I've seen it more than I can count with demonstrating my kit to my SAR group. If I even took you to my area, put a coyote and an antelope target at 100 yards and told you to PID those animals...you'd have issues. I'd be willing to bet on it.
Now on the other hand, I handed my UTC to someone that hasn't looked through kit like this on a 1-10 LPVO, and they were able to tell the difference between a horse and cow at 2168 yards.....because of the pixel density. You seem to miss the point here of this discussion.
@@thermaltoyzngear3310 Well stated brother Stokes. You gotta preach it to the "they don't know what they don't know" folks and maybe some of it will sink in.
Just picked up a RH25 for 3.4k brand new! Love it.
That’s a killer deal!!!!
where
@@apj12b Sold out, lanbo's has them for 3.6k right now though.
@@apj12b I got mine from egunco which has raised the price, lowest I can see right now is Lanbo's for 3.6k. Still a very good deal, the rh25 is a lot better then this review makes it out to be.
@@apj12b Search around and you'll find them easy.
You commented multiple times times of another TH-camr that talks in great detail about this unit as well but I couldn’t understand his tag name and I don’t see it in any other wording on your vid wording. Could your reply back with his TH-cam channel name? Thanks!
Sure thing brother. His channel is awesome…. Check him out yathermalboi
Is it possible to get your optimal settings on this unit that you got from YaThermalBoi? greatly appreciated...thanks...
Can you do a video on the optimal settings for the Nox18? Also how often do we get firmware updates from NVision?
@@thegolflife7565 the question on the sanctions is a fantastic question. I’ve not been able to get a straight answer from anyone on that yet. That is going to be interesting to say the least.
i'm confused as your description underneath the video you have halo 18??? is that the same as NOX18?
Sorry, brother I looked in the description. I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. I listed as Nox 18 everywhere….. Am I missing something?
Well look at the video starting at 10:54 on the split screen underneath you have on the right Halo Nox 18 walking.
Nothing?
with the rh25 going for 3.5k and the sidekick 640 going for 3k have your thoughts changed at all on whether the sidekick is still worth it?
@@wut6113 good question. That RH25 for 4k is super attractive no doubt. But the sidekick I think is going around 2K so I’d say the general thesis of my video still remains… but dang, that’s an excellent price on both!
Where are you seeing the RH25 for $3.5k?
@@MotoJB he must have seen a used unit selling for that. I’ve not seen any that low.
Nice job! Much appreciated honest review and comparison
Thanks Scott…. And thanks for watching!
'No you idiot its half the PRICE."
Subbed lol
Haha…. Thanks brother!!
I dont know. I don’t use this stuff a lot but the agm stinir 384 looks a lot better than this 640. I would have thought 640 would provide much better image clarity.
Out of curiosity what firmware is the RH25 running?
Not sure. I’d call IRay, they can probably tell you.
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 You can find it in the rh25 settings, make sure you have version 0124
@@guitarmaster127 I have two units now I’ll check them both. Thanks for the heads up!
Useless past 75 yards? Is that how far you only shoot?
Here’s the reason for that statement. I have kills with this unit past 75 yards. You can see in the one kill I showed at 100 yards I dropped that coyote on the spot. That being said, I could not tell you what that animal was. Had I not had someone else there running a higher end, actual thermal scope worthy of using past 100 yards that could tell me it was a coyote, I could’ve been shooting at a deer or calf for all I knew?!? That’s my argument as to why this unit is useless at that distance. It’s not that you can’t see living things, you certainly can but you cannot PID them in the clip on set up unless you have someone standing next to you with a better PID range. Often you can PID watching movement of the animal, but again, in that particular case that animal was standing still. If they’re not moving and giving any inclination as to what they are, there’s no PID and therefore you’re taking an irresponsible/unethical shot in my opinion, which is why I’m saying it’s useless pass that distance.
Killer video!
Thank you good sir!
Great video
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Thoughts on weapons mount scope.....thermal vs NV? thermal for detection and scope NV for ID?
Thermal all day. No comparison. Unless you’re working with a team and out navigating with nods….thermal is just so advanced for detection, ID and actual engagement. Thanks for watching and for the question!
Had them all and own the nox18 hands down smokes them all especially in image! Wear it helmeted mounted with no battery and no mount attached 13.58oz plus it’s USA made! This video does not show its true clarity through the display.
NOX 18 hands down... if you want a do all unit get the VOODOO S.. NOX 18 for strictly helmet use
Great Content 🇺🇲
Thanks brother, and thanks for watching!
Good info.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!!
Just buy the voodoo s
Let’s face it you can’t beat the BAE thermal core. Unless you jump to the Voodoo or the SkeetIRx and pretty sure those also use BAE
Correct, sir!
Awesome intro! “No you idiot!”
Thanks brother…. Thanks for watching!
Has anyone ever told you that you look like Sean Astin aka Samwise Gamgee?
Hahaha….yes only every other day! Thanks for watching, brother!
I was a moe ron😂😂
The truth hurts sometimes. And it’s an expensive lesson!!!! Haha
Civilian 'grade' thermals are a joke and _easily_ defeatable.
Not trying to troll your forum or come across as an asshole, I am just being honest.
@@18B_Porta-Poty_PTSD I can appreciate that. And your comment. The cooled unit Thermal stuff is an absolute game changer for sure. There is no comparison, I agree.
That being said the civilian market is getting better and better at a very rapid pace because of consumer demand. So hopefully they’ll catch up. Or at least catch up to where cooled military units were five years ago. Haha!
Thanks for watching!
@@longrangeprecisionshooters8935 yea man, I used to use the javelin CLU in theater during the day and the night. Well worth packing the weight! Can't believe those capabilities are available in such small packages nowadays.
I am in the market for both helmet mounted thermals. The Antifa & zombie hunting will be good! ;)
That being said, keep your head down and ears open brother! Subscribed!
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