The Pratt & Whitney PT-6 engine has what’s called a “free turbine” which means it has a split shaft in which spinning the prop will not drive the engine, since the propeller and gearbox are powered only from the internal jet-blast produced by the engine thrust. That’s why the prop was being rotated by moving thru the water while under tow by the LE craft. Just a few sentences of almost useless information here.
The prop would need to be in reverse thrust for the water to be turning it in the direction it is. Looking at close up photos taken during the recovery the prop appears to be in forward thrust mode.
Now that we're under way, a couple of talks by Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes were great and the performance by Soul Asylum was exciting for better reasons!
Thank you!! It was hand-held at 300mm zoom, I tried to not shake it as best I could. There's a traffic light right there and there was a broke down delivery truck blocking the right lane. It was getting hooked by a tow truck when this happened.
I guy I worked with in Miami in the '80s said: "You could put an empty paper bag on the side of the expressway, and everyone will slow down to look at it, thinking someone's head is probably in the bag." 🤣
Sad to see this plane go as my dad flew this exact plane for 26 years before it was sold to willis. I believe it was pilot error as in another clip you can see that the pontoon compartment door was open, which means that they probably forgot to lock it before take off. Which meant with that hard and bouncy landing I could assume thats why it started to sink.
Another site said they were having some kind of emergency. Maybe. That site showed final approach and touch down which looked a little hard maybe on the right side. Maybe it was so hard it damaged that pontoon. When they hauled it out of the water both pontoons looked like they were still aligned but....
It is obvious that the starboard pontoon is not doing its job. It has some amount of water in it, perhaps completely filled. Since it appears to be intact, I am baffled as to how this occurred. Since the access panels are on the top, both pontoons would have kept the plane upright until water entered the opening.
The video description says; "splashing hard into the water" and; "the pilot throttles up the engine trying to gain some altitude. It was too late, the right side pontoon took damage".
i have seen that plane in alaska a lot i fly there for a living, the right float pulled back a skin and it sunk the reason the prop isn't feathered is that the pitch latches (a must for turbine seaplane ops), are holding the blades from feathering, so the pilot pulled the power lever (throttle) all the way aft and shut it down immediately to prevent further damage. the reason its floating still is all the unaffected compartments (there are like 10 on ea. float) of the float are still ok and it takes a while for them to fill up, if at all, and also the wings have a sealed fuel tank that spans pretty far towards the outboard so there's air in their too.
It looks like it is not repaired yet, by the lack of flightaware data. But I guess it's going to have to be pretty much striped bare and rebuilt since salt water got into everything. I wonder if it's even worth it
lol. I boat on a small 8 mile long estuary on Cape Cod called Bass River (95% is no wake, 6mph). It is patrolled by Dennis Police, Yarmouth Police, Dennis Harbor Master, Yarmouth Harbor Master, Dennis Fire, Yarmouth Fire, Massachusetts State Police, Yarmouth Environmental Law Enforcement (local), Massachusetts Environmental Police (State) and US Coast Guard …Crazy
Not 1 single person aboard the plane dawned their personal flotation device. Should have been the captains first order before deplaning to at least grab it before exiting. Very unprofessional.
The ports webcan caught the whole thing and how a police boat a hundred yards away didn't notice until a call was made ver the radio. Funny stuff. Nobody injured except the plane. Notice the long delay of action by the harbor police is cut from the video. If anything can go wrong it will I guess. th-cam.com/video/6rlESDm2xA4/w-d-xo.html
Having towed with a smaller version of the foam collered Aluminum SAFE boats ,that pontoon underwater is causing all kinds of havoc . I bought the prototype while working at the factory building them ……
I guess they didnt want to cause even more damage to the plane by propping it up onto a boat or floats. Best to just drag it ashore.. the wing is already underwater anyway.
Police boats usually have nothing to do except dealing with “floaters” … people who drowned. Time to go home and fill out reports. Seems like they should have professionals towing it. Maybe that was the professional tow boat. Why they got there first?
The video and chop implies it was pretty windy. Why was he trying to land there? Was he bringing passengers to the cruise ship or was he on a site seeing tour with tourists?
I'm not even sure if you can land there. There are no services for something that small in the immediate area. The whole area is for large cruse ships. I'm hoping @VASAviation gets the ATC audio.
PTZ has the full video of the police boats towing it to the bulkhead on the north side of the channel, where there is another seaplane up on the land. There is a ramp up from the water to the ramp parking area, as well as a J taxi line so this is indeed a routine flight op center . If I am not mistaken ( and I rarely am, or admit to it at least) this would be the same flight ops center the Chalks Air seaplanes would have used before they had one of their planes crash into the Government Cut jetty as it was taking off, in 2005 or 2006. Chalks ceased operations right after that crash.
It was fairly windy almost directly from the plane’s left to right in direction of travel. I’m guessing 15-20 knots or so. I was standing on the balcony of Freedom when this happened. The channel was fairly smooth as the cruise ships blocked the majority of the wind. The channel looked more choppy during the rescue due to all of the police boats close by. The touchdown appeared pretty hard and there were 2-3 bounces. He passed my balcony at or just below my height on deck 10. Our cabin was just aft of mid-ship port side. The gaps between the cruise ships could have caused wind gusts at those locations and swirling winds over the tops of the ships. Probably the worst wind direction for changing wind conditions along the landing path as you would be behind a cruise ship, then not, then behind the next.
The gear was not extended. You can always see the nosewheels, even when retracted. Very noticeable difference between the extended and retracted positions, and as noted elsewhere here, it almost certainly would have flipped over had the water landing been with wheels extended.
The prop would need to be in reverse thrust for the water to be turning it in the direction it is. Looking at close up photos taken during the recovery the prop appears to be in forward thrust mode.
It is amazing what unknowing comments people with no experiencing aviation say about aviation accidents. Initial visual evidence looks to me the gear was down. If so it could have been a lot worse. NTSB will have the definitive answers.
It’s possible. Could have been a sudden gust/wind-sheer event raising a wing causing the float to dig in. Just looking at the waters surface and being an experienced sailor there are gusts and directional wind changes all over the place.
Doesn't appear that you have a choke hold on aviation lore yourself. Perhaps you could rehabilitate by explaining where the pontoons go when the "gear" is retracted.
wow ok, the floats (pontoons) in question are Whipline amphibious floats, they have wheels in them.... the pontoons don't go anywhere, the wheels do @@halmc8109 🤔
Even before this happened there was a broke down delivery truck in the right lane of that highway causing traffic. Plus there is a traffic light right there too, I think there is always traffic on that road.
Wind shear in the Lee of cruise ships, loss of lift just before touchdown, landed too close to the ships, landing on the north side of the channel would have avoided the incident. IMHO.
Interesting how the prop isn’t feathered.. even if you shut down without feathering it first, as the oil pressure goes to zero, the prop eventually feathers itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is damaged after the pilot throttled back to full once they realized they were sinking and the blades were just slapping the water.
The point you gloss over is they WERE there, and quickly. Not just several police boats but also the Miami-Dade Fire Dept boat. You probably also failed to consider the fact just how quickly they were towing the seaplane away. And clue why?? Let me help you out, I know it escapes you. Had that plane gone under, not only would Biscayne Bay be dealing with a haz mat spill and Miami Beach beaches might be impacted , but that would have shut down passage for all the cruise ships, impacting thousands of vacationers and cruise schedules for a while.
Yes these are pictures and video from my camera. You can see a few more on my Instagram - @A2000MHz. I didn't pull anything from the news.
The Pratt & Whitney PT-6 engine has what’s called a “free turbine” which means it has a split shaft in which spinning the prop will not drive the engine, since the propeller and gearbox are powered only from the internal jet-blast produced by the engine thrust. That’s why the prop was being rotated by moving thru the water while under tow by the LE craft. Just a few sentences of almost useless information here.
Not useless at all! Love turboprop engines!
Absolutely not useless. Greetings from the home of Cessna and other fine small aircraft as well as quick-detach door plugs for the 737 Max 😁
The prop would need to be in reverse thrust for the water to be turning it in the direction it is. Looking at close up photos taken during the recovery the prop appears to be in forward thrust mode.
Prop wash ! Finally! The police boats props must have been generating enough wake/flow to move the seaplanes propeller
That is not a PT-6 engine. No exhaust ports.
Wow, glad to see that no one was seriously hurt. Have a good vacation, Paul, may this be the maximum amount of "excitement" you experience!
Now that we're under way, a couple of talks by Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes were great and the performance by Soul Asylum was exciting for better reasons!
Good Camera work. Amazing how cars are coming to a complete stop presumably in order to photograph it, risking an accident on the highway.
Thank you!! It was hand-held at 300mm zoom, I tried to not shake it as best I could.
There's a traffic light right there and there was a broke down delivery truck blocking the right lane. It was getting hooked by a tow truck when this happened.
@@A2000MHz Ah I stand corrected about the traffic. Well, nice to see an experienced photographer get footage like this.
Gapers delays occur everywhere, many times for trivial occurrences. And, yes, they are dangerous.
I guy I worked with in Miami in the '80s said:
"You could put an empty paper bag on the side of the expressway, and everyone will slow down to look at it, thinking someone's head is probably in the bag." 🤣
Sad to see this plane go as my dad flew this exact plane for 26 years before it was sold to willis. I believe it was pilot error as in another clip you can see that the pontoon compartment door was open, which means that they probably forgot to lock it before take off. Which meant with that hard and bouncy landing I could assume thats why it started to sink.
Sweet catch. We caught it live on our cams, including the crash itself, but you had a closer vantage point.
Another site said they were having some kind of emergency. Maybe. That site showed final approach and touch down which looked a little hard maybe on the right side. Maybe it was so hard it damaged that pontoon. When they hauled it out of the water both pontoons looked like they were still aligned but....
It is obvious that the starboard pontoon is not doing its job. It has some amount of water in it, perhaps completely filled. Since it appears to be intact, I am baffled as to how this occurred. Since the access panels are on the top, both pontoons would have kept the plane upright until water entered the opening.
Probably twisted and pulled some rivets.
The video description says; "splashing hard into the water" and; "the pilot throttles up the engine trying to gain some altitude. It was too late, the right side pontoon took damage".
That pontoon now identifying as a submersible.
Excellent response time by the police boats, enjoy the trip Paul !
i have seen that plane in alaska a lot i fly there for a living, the right float pulled back a skin and it sunk the reason the prop isn't feathered is that the pitch latches (a must for turbine seaplane ops), are holding the blades from feathering, so the pilot pulled the power lever (throttle) all the way aft and shut it down immediately to prevent further damage. the reason its floating still is all the unaffected compartments (there are like 10 on ea. float) of the float are still ok and it takes a while for them to fill up, if at all, and also the wings have a sealed fuel tank that spans pretty far towards the outboard so there's air in their too.
It looks like it is not repaired yet, by the lack of flightaware data. But I guess it's going to have to be pretty much striped bare and rebuilt since salt water got into everything. I wonder if it's even worth it
Someone must have told the Gendarme that the crashed plane was carrying a load of doughnuts!
Good to know the plane will stay afloat on just one operating pontoon log.
There’s the Miami Beach Police, the City of Miami Police, The Port Police, Miami Dade Police, The Coast Guard and Customs…..that should cover it….lol
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Nope!.. ATF, ag inspector... Then it's about everyone 😅
lol. I boat on a small 8 mile long estuary on Cape Cod called Bass River (95% is no wake, 6mph). It is patrolled by Dennis Police, Yarmouth Police, Dennis Harbor Master, Yarmouth Harbor Master, Dennis Fire, Yarmouth Fire, Massachusetts State Police, Yarmouth Environmental Law Enforcement (local), Massachusetts Environmental Police (State) and US Coast Guard …Crazy
Not 1 single person aboard the plane dawned their personal flotation device. Should have been the captains first order before deplaning to at least grab it before exiting. Very unprofessional.
Any landing you can walk away from, is a good landing!
Stoopid to say that.
What about swim away from?
The ports webcan caught the whole thing and how a police boat a hundred yards away didn't notice until a call was made ver the radio. Funny stuff. Nobody injured except the plane. Notice the long delay of action by the harbor police is cut from the video. If anything can go wrong it will I guess. th-cam.com/video/6rlESDm2xA4/w-d-xo.html
I am on the the stern of the 12th deck, on the second ship in on that video.
Never seen so many police boats at one time.
Looks like right float failed.
Top gun reporting! Thank you
You can’t park there!
AMAZING FOOTAGE - TY FOR SHARING!! 🤗🤗
Tune is next week when Paul will attempt to restore liquid damaged avionics boards.
A seaplane wind no one has a life jacket on.
"SINK RATE, SINK RATE"!😁😁🛩🛩
Not sure that means "IN WATER" 🙂
Another C208. This makes it (???) about half a dozen just in the last couple months.
Having towed with a smaller version of the foam collered Aluminum SAFE boats ,that pontoon underwater is causing all kinds of havoc .
I bought the prototype while working at the factory building them ……
Quick work with a zodiac could have saved tens of thousands in saltwater damage by supporting the starboard wing.
It belongs to the insurance co once it hard landed
@@flyingcountryboy So just let it sink?
Did it crash or experience pontoon failure when landing
You can't land a seaplane in the water with the landing gear down.
where do you see that the gear was down?
if the gear was down it would have been on its back!
The gear is not down
@@larrysturm502 you're right.
Havnt seen u around lately. Is everything ok?
I'm around. Took a big trip for a few weeks in April, been kinda busy since. I've filmed a few new videos just need time to edit and post them.
@A2000MHz have fun. Looking forward to your next repair.
That's a lot of cop-boats!
I don't think I even showed all that showed up. I have a few more pics of the event on my Instagram - @A2000MHz
Marine agency boats - approach at idle, keep water calm, assess situation, and start the resue operation, police boats - . . . yeah
any cause? perhaps a really hard bounce?
Yes, very hard landing that ruptured the forward compartments of the right float.
Miami is ready for something like this
He ain't no Alaskan Float Plane pilot. lol
I guess they didnt want to cause even more damage to the plane by propping it up onto a boat or floats. Best to just drag it ashore.. the wing is already underwater anyway.
Wow, nice work ex Marine Paul S
You're never an ex Marine. That training is always there!
Talk about overkill with the police vessels!
It was a slow day for them, no drug smuggling, no crazy dui boaters, so they all gathered at the plane crash LOL
how come nobody is putting air bags under the submerged wing?
Police boats usually have nothing to do except dealing with “floaters” … people who drowned. Time to go home and fill out reports. Seems like they should have professionals towing it. Maybe that was the professional tow boat. Why they got there first?
Comparing first to last, it was very slowly sinking.
It was taking on water.
The video and chop implies it was pretty windy. Why was he trying to land there? Was he bringing passengers to the cruise ship or was he on a site seeing tour with tourists?
I'm not even sure if you can land there. There are no services for something that small in the immediate area. The whole area is for large cruse ships. I'm hoping @VASAviation gets the ATC audio.
PTZ has the full video of the police boats towing it to the bulkhead on the north side of the channel, where there is another seaplane up on the land. There is a ramp up from the water to the ramp parking area, as well as a J taxi line so this is indeed a routine flight op center . If I am not mistaken ( and I rarely am, or admit to it at least) this would be the same flight ops center the Chalks Air seaplanes would have used before they had one of their planes crash into the Government Cut jetty as it was taking off, in 2005 or 2006. Chalks ceased operations right after that crash.
It was fairly windy almost directly from the plane’s left to right in direction of travel. I’m guessing 15-20 knots or so.
I was standing on the balcony of Freedom when this happened.
The channel was fairly smooth as the cruise ships blocked the majority of the wind. The channel looked more choppy during the rescue due to all of the police boats close by.
The touchdown appeared pretty hard and there were 2-3 bounces.
He passed my balcony at or just below my height on deck 10. Our cabin was just aft of mid-ship port side.
The gaps between the cruise ships could have caused wind gusts at those locations and swirling winds over the tops of the ships.
Probably the worst wind direction for changing wind conditions along the landing path as you would be behind a cruise ship, then not, then behind the next.
WOW!
Notice that the gear was down when they pulled it from the water. Never a good outcome when an amphb lands in ten water with the gear extended!
Probably, the embarresed pilot extended the LG so the aircraft could be dragged onto the beach.
They usually go ass over tea kettle if they touch down on water with the gear extended. I don't think it was in this case.
The floats are fixed in the position as seen. If it had small retractable wheels they would be fitted into the floats.
where's the video of them pulling it out of the water, Please
The gear was not extended. You can always see the nosewheels, even when retracted. Very noticeable difference between the extended and retracted positions, and as noted elsewhere here, it almost certainly would have flipped over had the water landing been with wheels extended.
It looks like the starter shorted out and the prop started turning while they were towing it!
They were towing against the water current, I think the one prop blade always in the water is why it started spinning
No, that's from just pulling it through the water. The PT-6 engine is free spooling engine!!
The prop would need to be in reverse thrust for the water to be turning it in the direction it is. Looking at close up photos taken during the recovery the prop appears to be in forward thrust mode.
Tim Cook had it out for you.
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He’s gonna get a ticket for illegal parking.
You win!😂😂😂
It is amazing what unknowing comments people with no experiencing aviation say about aviation accidents. Initial visual evidence looks to me the gear was down. If so it could have been a lot worse. NTSB will have the definitive answers.
It’s possible. Could have been a sudden gust/wind-sheer event raising a wing causing the float to dig in. Just looking at the waters surface and being an experienced sailor there are gusts and directional wind changes all over the place.
if the gear was down, it would be on it's back!
@@billbrissonExactly
Doesn't appear that you have a choke hold on aviation lore yourself. Perhaps you could rehabilitate by explaining where the pontoons go when the "gear" is retracted.
wow ok, the floats (pontoons) in question are Whipline amphibious floats, they have wheels in them.... the pontoons don't go anywhere, the wheels do @@halmc8109 🤔
Pillocks rubber-necking on the highway... Prob cause more crashes..
Even before this happened there was a broke down delivery truck in the right lane of that highway causing traffic. Plus there is a traffic light right there too, I think there is always traffic on that road.
There goes Godzilla! 🎶
Wind shear in the Lee of cruise ships, loss of lift just before touchdown, landed too close to the ships, landing on the north side of the channel would have avoided the incident. IMHO.
I also don't think they were supposed to be landing in the area anyway. I'm guessing they had problems that brought them there in the first place.
@@A2000MHz nope! That’s their landing zone, the seaplane base is at the west end of the channel on the north side.
Is that what they call _plane sailing?_ 🤦♂
Interesting how the prop isn’t feathered.. even if you shut down without feathering it first, as the oil pressure goes to zero, the prop eventually feathers itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is damaged after the pilot throttled back to full once they realized they were sinking and the blades were just slapping the water.
@@worldsfastestkayaks4404 ahhh thank you! That makes sense! Finally a TH-cam commenter who knows what they are talking about, not a flight sim expert…
Sure mess up things !!
The left float sink.
It's the right float.
landed downwind
Must a had aliens on board
OMG
Plane Surfing.
it doesnt look like a caravan
The pontoons change the look of the aircraft a lot!
Just like a police chase. Every police boat has to show up to see the action. I guess they don't have radios!
Or anything else to do!
Donuts?
They don't have anything else to do
now, that's what I call "liquid damage"
Bra...da kine
What is a cruse ship???
Oh my god...
Smart ass!
Floating shopping mall with a multiplex, restaurants, bars, gyms, kidde play areas, pools and 5000 new friends.
Also a floating petri dish of diseases.
Millions of dollars worth of police boats all arrive to float around and stare at the aircraft with their big donut-filled bellies hanging out.
The point you gloss over is they WERE there, and quickly. Not just several police boats but also the Miami-Dade Fire Dept boat. You probably also failed to consider the fact just how quickly they were towing the seaplane away. And clue why?? Let me help you out, I know it escapes you. Had that plane gone under, not only would Biscayne Bay be dealing with a haz mat spill and Miami Beach beaches might be impacted , but that would have shut down passage for all the cruise ships, impacting thousands of vacationers and cruise schedules for a while.
@@tallmansfavorites7563 Well said. There's a reason why that guy has a 'Jack.Ass' as his icon. It's fitting.
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