The Surgeon ahead of his Time | James Barry
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- Welcome to Forgotten Lives! In today's episode, we are looking into the life of James Barry a military surgeon and humanitarian who was born a woman!
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Barry definitely helped improve sanitation situations in places. Glad at least he didn’t silence himself due to different situations and I’m impressed with the c-section he performed without loss of life. Thank you for sharing
She didn’t silence herself. That’s why she had to make sure SHE wasn’t seen Naked less it be revealed SHE isn’t a He
@@GodCarnage dude, Trans people exist. Its a he. If he wanted to be a she, then he would reveal it at the end of his life when his doctors work wouldn't be needed anymore. Instead they desecrated his body and only found out then
The child she performed a C-Section on was named after her in thanks. James Barry Munnik. He is my great great great grandfather.
Where is the 3 hour epic period drama movie of this story? There *should* be one.
I read there was a film planned starring Rachel Weisz in 2016. I don’t know if anything came of it.
It sounds like Yentil with Barbara Streisend. Maybe this is where they got the idea but not sure :-)
@@meditation762 There's always been women living as men - in different countries and time periods. James Barry was not the only one.
@@rheinhartsilvento2576 So very true. The pirate Mary Read was one. I also read a story about a woman soldier during the Napoleonic wars. And a more recent one from Australia. James Barry is just one of the more famous examples.
TheMeditationChamber ::: Streisand doesn’t spell her first name in the traditional spelling of Barbara. She spells it Barbra. She did this to be set apart from other singers and actresses who’s first name is Barbara but, also to be noticed by people who had influence in the music and film industry. I’d say she was quite successful in accomplishing that goal. She is considered one of the greatest singers of all time.
That was such a fascinating story, its one of those where I am now going to have to read a book about him/her - Thankyou so much :)
Thanks BC!
"Scanty Particulars."
Is the book.
I'm right there with you. I want to read more hopefully there was a book written. Should did a autobiography .👍💯.love, respect and positivity always. Neita james
🙏🦋🌠.
@@hapijen4828 thank you
While some critize I found this fascinating. N.j.
@@ForgottenLives I'm just reading this. I found it very interesting. I'd like to know the earliest man to live like a woman please don't say hoover. Neita james.
Being born and bred in Cork myself, this person makes me so proud to be a corkonian
Very buoyant people
Dr. Barry's Story Will Make A Great Movie. Thanks For Another Good One!
what a brilliant and yet terribly sad story - i had never heard of him before. what a tragedy that his secret had to be revealed as it was - but i am glad that the truth was suppressed.
I think she only played a male to accomplish the things forbidden to women.
@@crystalzreyes2848 then he would have revealed it at the end of his life when he couldn't work anymore. They only found out after he died
@@epochii2756 why would she reveal herself lol. It was the 1870s, are you aware of how they viewed cross dressing?
@@radwooah He was a trans man. His last wish was to be remembered as a man.
@@crystalzreyes2848 Another way of looking at it is that we should respect that he lived his entire adult life as a man even after there was no real need to do so, he requested that his body not be examined after death, and would have gone to his grave as a man had that been respected. So he may have been a trans man who we are now misgendering as a woman simply because he was born with an apparently female body. Or he may have been a woman who chose to never have that fact revealed. We can not know for sure. Either way calling him a woman and using she to describe him disrespects his own wishes.
A better thing to do would be to talk about the accomplishments, and mention his birth and early life as being lived as a female child who then chose to live as a man and thereafter refer to him as he chose to be thought of in life and death, then we can mention that after his death these facts were discovered when the woman washing his body came forward and claimed he was a "perfect female" after which his own personal doctor claimed that he had no knowledge of that, and stated "my own impression was that Dr Barry was a Hermaphrodite." (this term has been replaced by intersex today).
To me it seems we should retain the respect for the gender and name that Dr. Barry chose to live as regardless of his reasons, because he obviously did not want others to know since he tried to prevent anyone finding out with his instructions for treatment of his body. If he had wished for future generations to call him a woman and return him to the name of his childhood he certainly would have left instructions that would have revealed this fact at his death rather than leaving instructions that should have concealed everything. It is a fascinating story for sure.
GOD we need a movie about this guy so bad.
@the cool nice guy🎩 i dont think ladies were allowed to practice medicine at the time.
@the cool nice guy🎩 you seem confused lil buddy. I’ll pray for u
@No, I'm not a nice person he was only ALLOWED to practice medicine because he was trans but people didn’t know about the fact that he was born female. not feelings, just facts..
@@scottyb8392 They weren’t. Which is why her early mentors encouraged her to go to medical school in disguise. Obviously they saw her academic capabilities to encourage such a drastic disguise, but being born female typically comes with such dangerous oppression. If she could have had her career presenting as herself, I’m sure she would have. It’s deeply insulting to the eons of struggles women have gone through to call her a man. That was her disguise. She wanted her achievements talked about not her sex or assumptions about her orientation or identity. Dr Margarete Anne Bulkeley was not concerned with that and wanted her sex hidden at death to avoid erasing all the good she did. Referring to her by her real name and finally allowing her spirit to travel without disguising herself is the kindest thank you we can give her now.
@@chomuu42disguising oneself as the opposite sex absolutely does not mean someone has gender dysphoria. Particularly in the past where women and girls would be barred from lucrative employment,higher education, and civic opportunities if they were known as female. It was about survival. It’s deeply insulting to all human females that anyone would dismiss that reality to suit their personal agenda. Dr Margaret Anne Bulkley did what she had to in order to practice medicine and wanted it kept a secret because she knew it was the only way her accomplishments would be wiped from the history books. It’s time to give her her true name back and acknowledge the injustice that prevented her from being open about being female.
Thank you Forgotten lives for bringing us another true story.
Stay safe/healthy & sane🌻
Thank you, as always, you too!
This is probably one of the earliest records of a Trans man before our generation! Due to the fact that he went to the greatest extremes to hide his sex even after death, just proves it was not a case of cross dressing but a genuine Transgender man who made remarkable changes in our society
@@justme5193 trans people are never given anything in history yet we've always been here. Cry about it.
And yet he's constantly misgendered and people still try to come up with alternative explanations for his existence, despite the fact that he was obviously trans.
@@corv1d770 This was a woman who had a brain and wanted to suceed.
@@justme5193 Absolutely! 👍👍
Brainchild, Exactly right!! She was a WOMAN ahead of her time that could not be a doctor because of misogyny! and some people in the comments aren't as important as they think they are!
James Barry was very brave to live and practice medicine as a man knowing that if he was found out to a female he could have been killed. Thankfully women can now practice medicine and many other professions along side men. Thank for bringing this story to all of us.
Pretty sure he wouldn't have been killed for being a woman. He probably would have just been dishonorably stripped of all posts and certification, maybe served some time for falsehood, but then banished to live as was "proper" for a woman.
He was a trans man. His last wish was to be remembered as a man.
@@vio2626grow up.
I first heard of Dr. Barry in a book when I was about six. Unfortunately he was referred to as a “she” in the book and I had no idea what trans was until I was older. I’m not trans myself, but it still feels so good to rediscover him knowing what I know now.
She wasn't a trans.
Due to strong restrictions in the early 1800's ....being a female...she was not permitted to attend college or medical school..
Therefore posing as a man was the only way for her to get a medical degree.
Brava to a great lady.!!!!
@@christinecatt5391 Another way of looking at it is that we should respect that he lived his entire adult life as a man even after there was no real need to do so, he requested that his body not be examined after death, and would have gone to his grave as a man had that been respected. So he may have been a trans man who we are now misgendering as a woman simply because he was born with an apparently female body. Or he may have been a woman who chose to never have that fact revealed. We can not know for sure. Either way calling him a woman and using she to describe him disrespects his own wishes.
A better thing to do would be to talk about the accomplishments, and mention his birth and early life as being lived as a female child who then chose to live as a man and thereafter refer to him as he chose to be thought of in life and death, then we can mention that after his death these facts were discovered when the woman washing his body came forward and claimed he was a "perfect female" after which his own personal doctor claimed that he had no knowledge of that, and stated "my own impression was that Dr Barry was a Hermaphrodite." (this term has been replaced by intersex today).
To me it seems we should retain the respect for the gender and name that Dr. Barry chose to live as regardless of his reasons, because he obviously did not want others to know since he tried to prevent anyone finding out with his instructions for treatment of his body. If he had wished for future generations to call him a woman and return him to the name and gender of his childhood he certainly would have left instructions that would have revealed this fact at his death rather than leaving instructions that should have concealed everything had they only been followed. It is a fascinating story for sure.
She is not trans. She was in disguise because misogyny forced her to be.
Plus people forget that there might have been very harsh consequences for his family and the friends who helped him in his identity as a man. That might have been behind why he wanted to be buried while covered up.
Thank you SO much for this fascinating , well researched story. Holy heck he yelled at Florence Nightingale !!! Things that should be taught in history class... Take care, stay safe & sane - it's raining here, I want a stiff drink :-)
me too!
@@raftisa Luckily I do have some gin on hand so rationed myself a wee bit after 5pm, eg. a small very dry martini :-). I hope you have something on hand as well :-)
An expert in a competitive and perfectionist field with a nasty temper who cussed out colleagues he saw as under-performing. He was the Gordon Ramsey of his time.
@@Sorcerers_Apprentice Thanks for making me laugh! Though perhaps Marco Pierre White, who hired young Gordon, made him cry, & probably influenced his leadership style. I don't think they speak anymore ":-)
I wondered, especially after Mdme Nightingale’s remark about the doc being so stone (cold), if Florence ever learned the truth before her death and what her revised opinion might be? After all, imagine two genuine medically intellectual GALS verbally duking it out in 1800s! Great stuff
Wow history is wonderful. 💯❤
I appreciate that you did not go on to misgender him like so many other videos and articles do. You used the method of gendering him as he lived at the time and then proceeded to gender him as he obviously wanted to be known after the point where he began to live as a man. As a trans person that is how I prefer to be gendered. And I would say that Dr Barry was either a trans man, or a woman who had some completely unknown reason for wishing to not be found out in death. Either way respecting his wishes as they should have been carried out would have resulted in him being known to history as a man. The fact that we know about his birth gender now is due to a person revealing his body being female in appearance, it changes nothing about his wishes, it only gives us an interesting history that expands our understanding of the his life. So again thank you for respecting what he clearly wanted for people to remember him as.
Incredible life. Thanks for bringing these stories to our attention. Always so well done.
Take care, everyone.
Its really interesting how this all worked out. Amazing (for that time) that so many people helped support the secret. This shows that we all have the a chance to do amazing things in our lives. What a life.
Some do, some don't. Just because certain individuals achieve that doesn't mean all can.
@@rheinhartsilvento2576 True. But we do have a "chance" based on choices we make and what comes available to us. It doesnt all work out all the time but life is a learning experience and that holds potential and that potential is amazing. If we feel successful or not does not diminish the beauty of each of our lives.
@@julielivinlife2447 Agreed
It shows we shouldn’t be judged on gender. So many have assumed James was trans. Which is another assumption. I have assumed she/he was fighting the judgement that women weren’t smart enough to be educated and the only way to be employed in the chosen field was be male. Once started it couldn’t be changed without consequence. I admire his fortitude and courage to keep the secret almost to the grave. We will never know and shouldn’t taint the memory with our own thoughts and celebrate the surgeon for his abilities and education.
It's interesting how Florence Nightengale is lauded but Dr. Barry was far more compassionate to all people! Thank you for this interesting expose!
Such a fascinating, brilliant person! Acted like your stereotypical surgeon, too! Thanks, FL!
yeah, he really did! and got away with it. imagine if, even today, a woman acted like that! although, come to think of it, there have been some pretty hard women in history who were listened to, both peasant and gentry!! 😏🌷🌱
How have I missed this before?
Fascinating, thanks so much Xxx 🙏🏼 ❤️ 🍀 🗺️ 🏴
Wow, that was a great story, thank you so much for sharing it. What an amazing person
Thoroughly enjoyed your video. It’s amazing how little we are taught in school. I love these old accounts. 🌸🌸
Excellent video with fabulous images . What such a widely travelled doctor!and excellente at his profession and improvements to the medical Field.
Thanks!
This has been one of my favorites you have done. I have learned so much from you. Thank you
Glad to hear!
James barry repeatedly demonstrated how important his male identity was to him. He wanted to be remembered as a man after his death. This isn't the behaviour of a cis woman. He was a man. A trans man. I'm a trans man myself, and relate much to his discreet tendencies and care and insistence of his identity. He wanted to be remembered as a man, we can tell this by his dying wishes. Yet people insist on calling him a feminist icon or an influential woman. He was not a woman, he likely would have told you so himself. Calling him a woman, calling him "she" is directly disrespecting his dying wish for how he wanted to be remembered and it's disgusting. Trans people are not a new phenomenon. Barry's identity is very clear. People who insist on denying him his masculinity are just people who can't stand the idea that trans people exist and have existed for as long as humans have. Barry wanted to be remembered as a man. Anyone with any common decency should respect that.
I agree that trans men have always existed but Barry may not have wanted to people to remember him as a someone who dressed a man but as a brilliant doctor, to protect his 'reputation.' It is hard to tell, since he never discussed such things candidly, likely the Victorian repression on sexuality prevented such ideas. It is a pity we cannot ask him.
@@unknownuser_99 I agree. I think he wanted be known as a brilliant Dr. who devoted his life to making strides in sanitation and medicine. And not have anything else distract from that legacy. I don't know his mind -and nobody here truly does. He could have indeed been a trans man or he could have been a person living during a very repressive era that most people these days seem know little about and don't truly understand that women in that time were basically property. Either way, his wishes should have been respected and his accomplishments were numerous.
No...she was NOT a trans...
Merely a woman...born into a man's World, at a time when women were required to be 'barefoot and pregnant' and confined to the kitchen..
Living life disguised as a man was her only way of achieving this goal.
Brave lady indeed..!!
Dr. Margaret Anne Bulkley did not wear male attire before needing to in order to disguise herself as male at medical school. The plan was for her to join another doctor in South America, a mentor of hers, as a female doctor after college. Unfortunately this plan fell through and she had to continue disguising herself so n order to further her career. It was not a desire to present as male, it was a necessity. It was illegal for her to get a medical degree or attend medical school. After living a life in disguise like that, exposing her secret would instantly have her accomplishments written out if history at the time. There is no need to dishonour her memory with the disguise any longer. She deserves to be known as female. It’s a shame we don’t know what happened to the children she obviously had. We do know that she likely had an intimate relationship with one of her male mentors. A small group of men in medicine knew her secret and helped protect her as well.
Or heat felt that he was a woman but he did not want to bring scandal or even retribution against his family and friends who had help him perpetuate the idea that he was a man. I think Occom's razor comes into effect here.
What an amazing character one to be highly respected, thank you very much
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you, I enjoyed the video very much. Having done my family tree from the first Guimond settled near Quebec city in 1640 from his 2 sons, there was 5,200 Guimond in Canada, all related, at least if your Guimond family was here in 1911 year of the census. No other Guimond came (before 1911).
I can just imagine how many hours you spend researching for each video.
Very interesting and well done! Thank you!
This needs to made into a film, I remember seeing a documentary on him awhile ago.
Fascinating! Thank you!!!
Amazing story! Thank you.
Really enjoyed this video. What an amazing story.
Shaka. ... 1787 - 1828), also known as Shaka Zulu (Zulu pronunciation: [ˈʃaːɠa]), was the leader of the Zulu Kingdom from 1816 to 1828. He was one of the most influential monarchs of the Zulu Kingdom.
........ CAN YOU DO ONE ON THIS PIECE OF HISTORY AND A FORGOTTEN TYRANT , BUT I WAS ALWAYS IMPRESSED BY HIS PERSON AND SHEER WILL AND INTELGENCE TY
I'll look into him!
He was trans also
No he was not trans that kinda stuff in africa was even a thought at those times u would have literally been put to death in the most viscous way possible back in Shaka zulu times they where savag like it was no trans games being played@@hughsmith7668
Hi F.L.as always very interesting .I never heard of him before.So i can always learn something new.Thank's👍🌺🌺🌺💕💕
Anyone insulting a bishop at that time was a mighty human being god bless Dr Barry
As always, great job with the videos.
Fascinating! Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow! What a story! Amazing! Thank you!🙏🏼✨
Bravo Dr Barry!! You did great work!
Susan Naudé s22w
Another sleepless night listening to stories of the past. Thank you
Another great story!! Enjoyed this one!
Not being able to live completely in truth, have intimacy, vulnerability and friendship with others can make you a hardened and cold person.
I truly love your selection of background music 👌😍❤️
fantastic is all i can say this wonderful man explained everything that barry could do I am fantastically happy for him
I am writing a biography of [Capt.] William Jackson Barry 1819-1906. One of my theories is that this gentlemen may hav been the son of Capt. James Barry. Evidence all circumstantial of course. This biography is the most comprehensive I have heard. Studying this does not exclude my theory completely. If such is true- it might add some lustre and detail to the lives of both.
Loving the videos as always 🙌🙌
Glad you like them!
Really cool story. Always love your videos!
Amazing story Forgotten Lives. Wow
first! love your videos, and im excited for this one!
Thanks for the support :)
Amazing Story thanks for sharing
What an extraordinary story! I had no idea! Not to sound shallow, but I'd love to see this as a movie!
Incredible story.. thank you
brief case introduced your videos and I love them! 😍
Love these stories!
Absolutely fascinating story, amazing how she not only 'survived' but thrived under adverse circumstances.
*HE* survived.
kazamareen kurios he, don’t misgender him
Such a incredible story with your awesome voice! Always a neat video information. Perfect background music. Thank you. Please, stay safe!
Did listen twice FLives; loved it! Wish great and safe week. Ads👍
Thanks!! You too stay safe :)
@@ForgottenLives My pleasure, you are very welcome!
Nicely done , Thanks !
A great story thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
So glad I stumbled upon this channel due to the Brief Case channel. I've always liked reading/listening to the history of this world. It's even more appreciated than ever so keep up the brilliant work.
Got a suggestion for a video. What are the chances of making one on The Witchfinder General Matthew Hopkins? I know he is a bit more known which might disqualify him but you don't know if you don't ask.
Wonderful!! I love your videos!!!!
What a very interesting life, thank you it was very well put together.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hahaha I love this story. James Barry whatta wonderful person. Hjärtligt tack Forgotten Lives.😽💞💫
thanks!!
I've enjoyed all the episodes I've seen so far. New subscriber
Glad to hear :)
Tyvvm...so interesting. Now I'm wondering how many more women became men to succeed??
Check out Frances Clayton and Deborah Sampson
@@ShavaChihera Not quite the same thing. They both went back to living as women, Dr. Barry didn't and also never wanted anyone to find out even after death. Even though by the time Barry died there were women openly practicing medicine in the US and the first British female physician was in medical school then.
@@ShavaChihera George Sand. Though everyone knew she was a woman. Bot the same.
@Sherlock's cat thank you
@Sherlock's cat soldiers too. Seemed the military was popular. Either that or they were "drafted". Come to think of it, James Barry was in the military too.
That was really interesting. I really enjoyed this.🙂
Thank you. Very interesting true story.
Great Story!!!!! ⭐️
Another great video mate 👍
Thanks 👍
wow amazing story!
Hugs from Sweden
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wowi Love the stroy so much he /she was a such beautiful soul 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Very interesting episode!
So strange. I just heard about him literally yesterday when reading an article about how gruesome Victorian treatments and surgeries were.
Thanks 4 the video forgotten lives it was very interesting wot a life James Barry lived stay safe ❤️
You're very welcome :)
Great story
Thank you
Maybe he wouldn't have been so angry much of the time if he had been respected for who he really was.
Yeah but women were not respected in those days at all that’s why she had to pretend to be a man. Sad.
@@IshaSoul except he didn't have to pretend to be a man - he was a man
He really was A She... who she really was.
Jean Baptiste no loser SHE was a Woman Pretending to be a Man
@@GodCarnage found the bigot. Geez they love crawling out of the woodworks when there's an opportunity to be a shitty person 🤣
Throughly enjoyed it! I don't think I've heard of Dr. Barry.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a fascinating story and a fascinating life by any standard if it won't for you tell these wonderful stories a lot of these wonderful people my not be know I have never heard of him please take these history making and amazing stories to the school system I say it again why aren't we teaching this in every classroom in America it's mind boggling
Thanks very much :)
Wonderful story .
omg I HAVE to make a comic of this character, such a great life and also very romantic!
Very interesting... I love Vintage / Victorian stories !
Such a fascinating story! Unbelievable what she was able to achieve, especially living in the times she was. And to have the forth ever successful c-section, was some achievement. I love these old forgotten stories, keep them coming, they are greatly appreciated 😁
Absolutely he was able to achieve a lot! Unfortunately in death his wishes weren't respected and how he wanted to be viewed was ignored based on other people's perception of who he should have been
@@jeanbaptiste9196 And people still ignore his wishes. Ie referring to him as her.
@@iciajay6891 precisely!
@@justme5193 whether or not he was trans isnt relevant, he wanted to be remembered as a man, so its only respectful to do that
@@justme5193 Yeah because it was super easy to be out as a trans man in the 1800s 🙄🙄🙄
her patrons certainly were amazing. imagine urging a young woman to become a student and a doctor. an amazing life!!!
He certainly was one of the first doctors to advocate and really push fir cleanliness. he died in 1865 a when conditions in the Civil War hospitals was still horrendous! why have we never heard of him before!? he was a very important person and doctor. imagine doing a cesarean, and due to his cleanliness, bringing the mother through it!! totally amazing.
I had the great honour as an actress to
play James Barry. An extraordinary woman..
Extremely Interesting very good! Ty ❤️
Really good story!
Truly remarkable person!
Fascinating. I loved this story. I can't imagine what it would have been like to conceal my sex for 56 years. However, being able to wear trousers instead of all those heavy skirts would, I imagine, have been a great relief. Too bad that woman couldn't keep her big mouth shut. His reputation should have stood as he wanted.
Are you saying that James was a woman?
No the lady that outed him after he died is the one who should’ve kept her mouth shut
Is what the comment means
An amazing story...I'm sure Barry felt successful in his profession yet I wonder was he satisfied with his life, was he in any relationship, and was his Jamaican servant his lover?
In my mind they were together . In Jamaica . Just watching the sun set .
No relationship as far I as investigated!
What a interesting and fascinating story about Dr. James Barry. I had never heard of this particular story, she accomplished alot in the medical profession in spite of the odds being against her. I love how she fought for basic sanitation which is the root causes of diseases whether people realize it or not.
Brenda Holliday he not she
@@ella9310 I agree .The fact that he identified as a male, to his dying death wish, makes him a male by todays' standard.
@@ella9310 this is a story about a woman who HAD to live her life as a man in order to reach her greatest potential, you deminish what she accomplished by making this about transgenderism when this isn't about genderisms. This is about women being under and devalued and this WOMAN proving SHE was just as good as or even better than a man. I think she would have broken more barriers had she at some point revealed she was actually female. She was way ahead of her time.
You find the most fascinating people to tell us about.
Amazing! What a life. What happened to her daughter, do you know?
Nicole Perron his, not hers. He was a man
Barry was a woman, forced into being a male due to sexism,,,,, NOT by choice
This isn’t a story of transgender it’s a story of a woman who was forced to portray as a man to have rights of a man ..... I’m sure she had a hot temper due to the fact she had to live as a man and couldn’t go back to being a woman otherwise she would lose her career.... sad
Ella Quinn Barry was a woman living as a man to pursue opportunities that women were barred from. didn’t you watch this video
@@kathyh4804 I would agree except that Barry was adamant about remaining a man even in death. His will was specific. After 56 years he probably thought of himself as a man.
@@susanyoung5447 It could have been that, also could have been to not tarnish the legacy they made over their life. Really hard to say and Barry never said anything to indicate either way.
This would make a great movie or TV series 💜
Thank You😊
Great job
Thank you :)
Great story!
Thank you!
Great story
Knowledge is power❤🎉
Wow, amazing
Wow. Just wow
This sounds like a lifetime movie.
I'm so glad women don't have to go to these lengths just to be taken serious now.
He was a man lived his life as a man. He was outed after his death disregarding his wishes
@@galacsinhajto how do you know that ?
he was a woman, by nature choice. If he gave birth .... there is no question about that . And he seems to like men - the buggary charge ...
Trans ? maybe ... or maybe just a woman who wanted to do more with her life then kids and dishes ...and beeing a man was the only way society let her do that .There are a lot of rumours of women doing that since the middle ages ...
@@speedy7040 No he was a transgender man.
@@speedy7040 Listen we obviously will never know for certain, and a lot has happened to our understanding of gender and sexuality. These things were understood very differently back then, it is a fascinating topic, I suggest you read upon it. To me, presented with the evidence we have, it most likely that Barry that we can safely describe him as a trans man
@@speedy7040 ag
What an awesome human being